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- From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
- Newsgroups: rec.audio
- Subject: Compressed audio better than noncompressed?
- Message-ID: <22742@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
- Date: 24 Jul 92 14:50:39 GMT
- References: <1992Jul20.155356.12452@phillip.edu.au> <1992Jul24.074842.15614@lugb.latrobe.edu.au>
- Reply-To: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
- Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD
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- In rec.audio, MATGBB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BYRNES,Graham) writes:
- >I'm still surprised that if it is technically feasible to do as you say,
- >Philips et al are playing about with PASC etc, which IS lossy,
- >although perhaps not audibly. In fact, Pasc relies on the fact that only
- >a small fraction of the bandwidth is audible at a given time to ditch the
- >rest.
-
- My guess is that you can probably do something like 8:1 loss free
- compression on CD's but designing and building the hardware to do this
- in real time is currently too expensive.
-
- Also, using a lossy algorithm makes the format far more appealling to
- the record companies - so it increases it's chance for success in the
- market place. The manufactures don't want the next format to go the
- same way that DAT has gone. They are trying to find a format that
- everyone, including the record companies, will like.
-
- But here's another angle I'm waiting for the marketing types to come up
- with. As I understand it, both the DCC and MD compression algorithms
- eliminate some sounds based on the human ears ability to here them
- because of masking effects. That is, if you have two tones, close in
- frequency, but one much louder than the other, it will mask out the
- second tone. Humans can't hear it even if it's there, so why record
- it.
-
- So my thought - if the compression algorthim is removing sounds that you
- can't hear - instead of saying the algorithm is throwing away part of
- the orignal recording (i.e. distoring it) - they should say that it is
- cleaning the signal of unwanted noise. Removing low level noise that
- causes the non-linear speaker systems to distort the true high level
- signals that you can hear. The cleaner the sound, the better the
- speakers will be able to reproduce it. So, I'm just wondering when
- people will start claiming that compressed audio sounds better than
- non-compressed becauses it has been purified?
-
- Curt Welch
-