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- From: wt0b+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Henry Timmins)
- Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
- Subject: Re: Eating our other world friends & enemies
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- Date: 27 Jul 92 23:49:30 GMT
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- >I would argue that we have conclusive evidence that dolphins are not
- >intelligent. They have not made a significant attempt to communicate
- >with us despite the large numbers of them that we kill via things like
- >tuna fishing.
-
- Maybe they don't care. Maybe they haven't made a connection between
- the nets and humans (those nets are HUGE). Maybe they assume we can't be
- responsibly, because no sane entity would do something like that.
- There are too many ways a nonhuman intelligence might manifest to
- assume this to be conclusive.
-
- They have evolved in a VERY different environment, with different
- sensory reliances. Trying to bridge that experience is difficult, to say
- the least.
-
- They might be self-aware, they might be able to communicate abstract
- thought. But it is obvious they are not tool-users. Consider how much of
- our psychology revolves around tool use- could that not be a large
- concept barrier?
-
- Also consider that, to a human, society is necessary to teach a
- being how to be intelligent.
- There was a case where chimps, taught sign language, would pass this
- knowledge to their children. True, they had shown no use of sign
- language in the wild, but, perhaps, they simply haven't been pressured
- or lucky to invent it on their own? With a new society, they can then
- use it.
-
- Perhaps dolphins have never invented complex societies, or their
- societies avoid humans (we get only the dumb nomads?).
-
- There are a LOT of confounding factors, and to say that our meager
- information is conclusive is, I think, unwarranted.
-
-
- -Me
- [Pooh Bear incarnate.]
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