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- From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
- Subject: Re: Eating our other world friends & enemies
- Message-ID: <1992Jul27.035713.24540@oracle.us.oracle.com>
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- Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:57:13 GMT
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- In article <m5km1g-.xtifr@netcom.com> xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters) writes:
- >In <1992Jul26.094005.8843@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
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- >>In article <1992Jul20.185151.4599@ariel.ec.usf.edu> mccolm@darwin.math.usf.edu. (Gregory McColm) writes:
-
- >>Gregory, what are these "other ways" in which dolphins may be more
- >>developed than us? You imply that they are components of
- >>intelligence. Persoanlly, I think that's bullshit. Put up or shut
- >>up.
-
- >Hmm, I'm not Gregory, but I think I can field this one. Dolphins are
- >more developed than humans in the area of 3D "auralization" (a word I
- >just coined by analogy with "visualization"). IOW, they can hear in 3D
- >*much* better than we can. Yes, I suspect that this is a component of
- >their intelligence (whatever the level of that intelligence may be).
-
- Why do you think this is a compnent of intelligence? Is the analagous
- process with sight a component of intelligence? I hardly think so.
- Also, what about bats?
-
- >And, in the lack of any real evidence about the level of that
- >intelligence, I think that *any* assumption about intelligence *or lack*
- >on the part of dolphins is BS.
-
- So what about house flies?
-
- I would argue that we have conclusive evidence that dolphins are not
- intelligent. They have not made a significant attempt to communicate
- with us despite the large numbers of them that we kill via things like
- tuna fishing.
-
- >Lilly's research is suggestive, but may be influenced by bias on the
- >part of the researcher. Or may not. But, as for the "put up or shut
- >up" comment, Gregory did mention Dr. Lilly, and if Michael hasn't read
- >Lilly, then I suggest he do so before making comments like this.
-
- Perhaps you're even right, but to be quite honest, I don't plan to go
- back through deleted articles looking for what Greg said about Lilly.
- If you're going to refer to it like that please leave it in the
- article.
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