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- From: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
- Newsgroups: misc.education
- Subject: frightening ignorance
- Message-ID: <1992Jul24.1283.3075@execnet>
- Date: 24 Jul 92 02:30:18 EST
- Reply-To: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
- Distribution: misc
- Organization: Executive Networks Information
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- GE> GE>I am not concerned with how many moral atheists and sleazy preachers th
- GE> GE>are in this world. I am focusing on the need to instill morals in the
- GE> GE>public educational process.
-
- GE> Since you are interested in doing this, perhaps (rather than just
- GE> repeating the demand and the words "morals in the schools" and
- GE> variations thereof) you can offer some suggestions as to how this might
- GE> be achieved, and whose morals would be taught. Would the schools teach
- GE> Aristotle's morals? Jesus'? Mohammed's? If they use the "community
- GE> standards" approach to determine the curriculum, I dare say that in most
- GE> of this country, they would have to teach Thrasymachus' morals... but I
- GE> digress.
-
- GE>Perhaps this should have been your very first response to my first quote?
-
- Perhaps, instead of citing a vague someone else's words as a response to my
- direct quote of Martin Luther, you could have expressed a meaningful
- thought.
-
- GE>I have spent a week defending my personal character
-
- You have spent a week avoiding the issues, defending emptiness.
-
- GE>and now we can get
- GE>back to the discussion of religion/moral teaching in schools.
-
- I thought you said that you wanted to keep religion out of this. And now
- you bring it immediately back in... you see how unaware you are of your own
- narrow prejudices?
-
- GE>First of all, would you agree that ALL humans share comon principles in
- GE>their pursuit of morality?
-
- No.
-
- GE>For example, don't all moral humans (and let's
- GE>just assume "all humans" refers to those in the USA) support the respect
- GE>of other humans to live? (e.g. we should not kill one another or it is
- GE>immoral to walk away from a human in need for help in order to remain
- GE>alive, etc.)
-
- No. Thrasymachus would say, "What's in it for me if I help this guy? If
- he's too weak to look after himself, he should die."
-
- Judging from the Republican approach to welfare reform and health care,
- I'd say that Thrasymachan morality is alive and well in the Republican
- Party.
-
- GE>I am only offering a few areas that I think all moral humans
- GE>share (whether they are believers in Jesus, Aristotle's view of morality,
- GE>or Mohammed's.)
-
- Unfortunately, you have omitted the prevailing morality in America today.
-
- "I got mine, Jack, screw you."
-
- GE>I only state these as a guideline so that you understand
- GE>my premise that all humans share common principles in their pursuit of
- GE>morality.
-
- Well, since your premise is fatally flawed, I'll not bother discussing that
- which elaborates upon it.
-
- GE> I do not accept the principle of State-Sponsored Morality; that way
- GE> lies Orwellian madness.
-
- GE>I do not know what "Orwellian madness" means. Perhaps you could elaborate
- GE>on this principle.
-
- When the Government (throught Government-funded schools) establishes your
- morals, anything that questions the Government is, by definition, immoral.
-
- That's what I mean by Orwellian madness.
-
- Doubleplusungood.
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