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- From: sns@bondi.jpl.nasa.gov (Sam Southard)
- Subject: Re: MSG
- Message-ID: <1992Jul31.194447.26523@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
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- References: <1992Jul30.210928.11417@cs.yale.edu> <1992Jul30.232522.14069@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> <84954@netnews.upenn.edu>
- Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:44:47 GMT
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- In article <84954@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
- >In article <1992Jul30.232522.14069@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> sns@bondi.jpl.nasa.gov (Sam Southard) writes:
- >>
- >>The fact is that there are some people who imagine this type of thing (I don't
- >>mean MSG allergies specifically). Even some people who imagine themselves into
- >>the hospital.
-
- This item should be separated from the next one. In this item I was simply
- reminding people of the existance of hypochondriacs (sp?). They can imagine
- they have the symptoms for anything, including a reaction to MSG.
-
- This was to make the point (as I did inbetween the two portions you extracted,
- or perhaps just before the above text) that manufacturers should not be forced
- to label their products with every single item that a group of hypochondriacs
- decides is causing them illness. Without scientifically obtained evidence (I
- am not making the statement that there is no such evidence, but someone earlier
- mentioned the lack of evidence and no one contested it - plenty of anecdotal
- tales, but no scientific evidence), there is no reason to force manufacturers
- to label their products as containing MSG.
-
- >>It sounds like you believe that MSG causes you to get sick (minor or major). I
- >>believe you - my wife has the same type of reaction. However, the MSG
- >>possibility has been so widely publicised (whether it's true or not), that many
- >>people are aware of it.
- >>
- >Boy, it would be fun to be married to someone who decided I was just
- >_imagining_ getting violently ill over MSG.
- >
- >I sincerely hope I misunderstood your post.
-
- You did. I do not believe that he believes he has a reaction (well, I do, but
- that was not the intent). Since my wife has the same sort of reaction, and I
- believe my wife is not inventing these symptoms, I believe that his symptoms
- may be real, and not imagined. Of course he may in fact be imagining them.
- That does not prevent other people from actually having the same symptoms for
- un-imagined reasons.
-
- Also, without scientific evidence to the contrary, it is possible that every
- single person who claims reactions could be imaginging it (both my wife and you
- specifically are included). I do not believe this to be the case, but it is
- possible. If so, some of the hypochondriacs will be "cured", and some will find
- something else to make them sick. Then the manufacturers will have to change
- their labels to include something else.
-
- Eventually if you want to avoid things you'll have to read something equivalent
- in size to a CPU manual. I can see it now: I'd like to order Campbell product
- number CKN-0240-135, "Chicken Soup specification", revision number 24631.
- Wouldn't it be better to restrict the required labeling to things which have
- been proven to adversely affect a significant number of people?
-
- Think of it as self interest. If you really have an reaction to MSG that has a
- physical basis, but force legislation to require manufacturers to label it
- without any scientific evidence that it's harmful, what's the next ingredient to
- be so handled? Pretty soon they'll be enough things on a label that it will
- take hours to read it, and you'll be likely to miss that a given product
- contains MSG.
-
- Instead of trying to force manufacturers to label it you should be trying to
- force the FDA (or whoever) to do a scientific study to prove that it's harmful.
- THEN you can introduce legislation (if it doesn't already exist) to require
- it's inclusion.
-
- The text after this portion went on to describe a simple way you could avoid MSG
- the vast majority of the time without requiring manufacturers to label it.
- This method would work whether your (specifically) symptoms were real or
- imagined (unless yours were imagined and they transferred to something else).
-