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- From: rhealey@dellr4.digibd.com (Rob Healey)
- Subject: Re: New UNIX O.S. - DESTINY -
- Organization: DigiBoard Incorporated, Eden Prairie, MN
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- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:37:35 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Jul29.203735.1680@digibd.com>
- Keywords: PC UNIX 386 486 AT&T DESTINY
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- In article <1992Jul22.181200.18160@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
- |> USL just announced this product in June, and we expect SVR4.2 to start
- |> shipping from our customers in the fall. Pricing and the specific things
- |> our customers choose to put in their shrink-wrapped products will be
- |> available then. One of our design goals for this product was to modularize
- |> it better, so you weren't stuck with the all or nothing choice of typical
- |> UNIX Systems and so could fit it on a much smaller system configuration,
- |> but still grow up to the full UNIX System with all its bells and whistles
- |> that we've all grown to know and love (ok, maybe like moderately).
- |>
- |> Ry Schwark
- |> ry@usl.com
-
- Since you are with AT&T/USL, can you shed any light on why AT&T/USL
- has taken a litigation rather than innovation stance on the
- NET2 BSD4.3 code? Can we expect AT&T/USL to now sue anybody who
- ships a system based on UNIX principals and hasn't payed the
- AT&T/USL "protection" money?
-
- Have any of the legal dweebs given ANY thought on how this will
- go over with the user community, i.e. "OK, keep your damn
- UNIX(tm), we'll buy NT or Mach based products and let your
- UNIX(tm) rot."
-
- By now, any current CS person has seen a good chunk of UNIX(tm)
- "proprietary" information in the header and other system files
- either as a student or as a programmer. Is AT&T/USL now going
- to claim that all of us have "insider" info and thus all the
- work we do is now subject to lawsuit because we couldn't
- have done a project without seeing the proprietary information sometime
- in our professional or student lives?
-
- Does this mean any time we program something that is remotely
- close to UNIX(tm) we'll have to pay blood money to AT&T/USL
- because we've seen how UNIX(tm) does things?
-
- I guess I see it now, push UNIX(tm) as an open system till
- a few generations of students are raised on it and everybody
- settles on it being a standard. Then turn around and demand
- blood money because all these people trained on UNIX(tm) systems
- are now "stealing" proprietary AT&T/USL ideas and trade secrets.
- You know, AT&T/USL ALMOST had us all hoodwinked that UNIX(tm) really
- was an open system. Now we know it's just a proprietary system
- that alot of people were scammed into using as an "open" system.
-
- Guess it's time to move on to Mach, minus all those "stolen"
- UNIX(tm) ideas. Maybe Berkeley should reposess all the features
- IT developed with taxpayer money over the years that AT&T/USL is
- now making a tidy profit with. Networking, ufs filesystem, vi,
- demand paging and VM subsystems, etc. After almost 20 years of
- student and academic sweat over the system, THIS is how we're
- repaid...
-
- -Rob
-