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- From: grog@adagio.UUCP (Greg Lehey)
- Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd,gnu.misc.discuss
- Subject: AT&T and BSDI -- yet again
- Keywords: lawsuit, AT&T, USL, BSDI, new developments
- Message-ID: <1842@adagio.UUCP>
- Date: 29 Jul 92 18:29:38 GMT
- Followup-To: comp.unix.bsd
- Organization: LEMIS, W-6324 Feldatal, Germany
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- I had a phone call from Mitch Wagner of Open Systems Today today, and
- he tells me that USL has extended the lawsuit - apparently, UCB is now
- included, and there are specific complaints. I didn't get many
- details, but they will presumably fill out as time goes on.
-
- Mitch feels that USL is not fighting dirty - in his opinion, they are
- genuinely convinced that BSDI is abusing their intellectual property,
- that they have worked long and hard to produce an operating system and
- that BSDI has now come and is trying to reap the fruits of their
- labour in the commercial marketplace.
-
- I should make it clear - as I did to Mitch - that I don't completely
- share this viewpoint. I do agree that they probably are not
- consciously playing dirty. However, I don't think that USL can have
- any unified view of what is theirs and what they got from BSD - how
- can they claim to have worked long and hard on an operating system
- when significant parts of their own system were written by non-AT&T
- employees, including significant contributions by the current
- development staff of BSDI?
-
- Now for the real reason for this posting
-
- 1: if USL are going to prove that BSDI have abused their intellectual
- property, and the source code shows similarities, who is going to
- prove where this source came from? As another example of genuine AT&T
- code (from System V.3, I am told on good authority), consider:
-
- /*
- * Copyright (c) 1982, 1986 Regents of the University of California.
- * All rights reserved. The Berkeley software License Agreement
- * specifies the terms and conditions for redistribution.
- */
-
- This is an extreme example, of course, but how can AT&T claim
- ownership of any source file of theirs which carries such a
- copyright statement?
-
- 2: How much is any residual AT&T code worth? Assuming UCB or BSDI is
- found to have used residual AT&T code, might it not really be an
- alternative to license it for an appropriate fee (about $0.02 per
- license)?
-
- 3: How much of UNIX is based on original ideas anyway? I was rummaging
- in my old documentation (7th edition and earlier) a while back, and
- found (page 1928 of the Bell System Technical Journal, July/August
- 1978), the following conclusion to Ritchie and Thompson's article
- on the UNIX Time-Sharing System:
-
- "Influences
-
- The success of UNIX lies not so much in new inventions but rather
- in the full exploitation of a carefully selected set of fertile
- ideas...
- The fork operation, essentially as we implemented it, was present
- in the GENIE time-sharing system [my note: somewhere I seem to
- remember that GENIE was developed at UCB, but I can't find any
- reference. Does anybody out there remember?]. On a number of
- points we were influenced by Multics... The notion that the shell
- should create a process for each command was also suggested to us
- by the early design of Multics... A similar scheme is used by
- TENEX."
-
- On the next page, we read:
-
- "The contributors to UNIX are, in the traditional but here
- especially apposite phrase, too numerous to mention. Certainly,
- collective salutes are due to our colleagues in the Computing
- Science Research Center. ...."
-
- In general, I can't see that USL can show that what is left of
- their 13-year-old 32V/7th edition code is worth the tape it was
- written on any more. Does anybody else care to comment?
-
- BTW, I haven't sent this to the alt. newsgroup suggested a while back:
- it hasn't made it to Germany, and it doesn't seem to offer the same
- coverage. Flame me if you want, I can take it.
-
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