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- From: harding@sun444.nas.nasa.gov (Steve Harding)
- Subject: Re: Troff vs FrameMaker Productivity
- References: <18486@drutx.ATT.COM> <HAMM.92Jul22094612@toto.austoto.sps.mot.com> <MERLYN.92Jul23142709@romulus.reed.edu>
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- Organization: NASA/Ames Research Center
- Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 16:00:43 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Jul24.160043.21238@nas.nasa.gov>
- Reply-To: harding@sun444.nas.nasa.gov (Steve Harding)
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- In article <MERLYN.92Jul23142709@romulus.reed.edu> merlyn@romulus.reed.edu (Randal L. Schwartz) writes:
- >regarding the AT&T memo:
- >
- >this exactly fits my experiences as a technical author for the past 15 years.
- >
- >A WYSIWYG is great for 1-up posters and small documents, but the
- >moment something gets to be over 20 pages long or written by more than
- >one author or maintained over time, you lose -- in a major way.
-
- I disagree. I have produced books over over 600 pp using FrameMaker.
- Portions were created by other authors. We had no problems.
-
- ]...[
-
- >Case in point:
- >
- >I co-wrote "Programming Perl" (from O'Reilly and Associates) with
- >Larry Wall (the creator of the Perl language). We were 1000 miles
- >apart for all but the signing party at its debut. Yet we achieved
- >clean solid seamless merging of our respective texts because I was
- >able to provide a limited troff macro package that forced us to focus
- >on the writing and not the representation.
- >
- >Now, I face a similar challenge on its sequel (tentatively titled
- >"Learning Perl"), but with FrameMaker (on a Mac) rather than troff
- >(all of OR&A's books are being done in Frame these days). My
- >experience so far has been that the process is *much* slower, because
- >I have to keep thinking about design issues. And I haven't even
- >*begun* the phase of the work that will involve collaberation, but
- >just thinking through the process is scaring me already.
-
- It would seem to me that OR&A would/should have provided you with
- templates. That way you need not be concerned with design issues.
-
- >For example, sometimes I'd send a piece of troff text to larry. He'd
- >edit it, and send me back the edited version. I'd simply run that
- >through diff (even if I had changed the draft in the meanwhile), and
- >boom, there's the parts he changed. Way too easy to merge! Try
- >*that* with a Frame doc!
-
- Change bars with cut & paste.
-
- >And I could also send the doc to others. Troff is nearly universal
- >now that there's a GNU -roff. And even if they didn't want to format
- >it, the source text is recognizable even with the embedded formatting
- >controls. MIF? You've got to be kidding.
- >
- >I'm not even going to bring up what the performance differences are
- >for me between a good command-line interface that I can layer with
- >scripts, and a stoopid point-and-shoot mac-type luser interface.
- >
- >Grumph. "Learning Perl" is going to be a tough project. Down with
- >WYSIWYGs for big things!
-
- All of the above proves the point that I made in an earlier post. Authors
- are most comfortable in the environment they are used to. Personally, I
- couldn't wait to forget n/troff.
-
- steve
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