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- From: sysmark@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Mark Bartelt)
- Subject: IDO required for FTN?
- Message-ID: <BrusIJ.23z@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>
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- Reply-To: mark@cita.toronto.edu
- Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
- Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:56:43 GMT
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- I *think* I know the answer to this already, but want to make certain.
- Someone in our group is considering buying an R4000 Indigo. He does
- all his work in Fortran, and has no interest in C (or dbx or the other
- stuff that comes with IDO, for that matter). Considering the prices ...
-
- Unit price Support
- ---------- -------
- SC4-FTN-3.5 $1553 $188 (All prices
- SC4-IDO-4.1 $1560 $1124 CDN$ list)
-
- ... he'd prefer to buy FTN but not IDO. Our telesales guy, in fact,
- claims IDO isn't needed for FTN. However, I suspect he's wrong, in
- view of the fact that, for example, /usr/bin/f77 is simply a symlink
- to /usr/lib/driver, and /usr/lib/driver comes with IDO, not FTN (at
- least that's what inst's "files" option says). As well, /usr/bin/ld
- comes with IDO but not FTN.
-
- So, unless some necessary subset of the IDO CD's files (specifically,
- the dev.cmplrs_sw.* stuff, I'd guess) is duplicated on the FTN CD (and
- magically hidden so that inst won't tell me about it), it looks as if
- one *has* to have IDO in order to do anything useful with FTN. Right?
-
- And, assuming this is right, where is this documented? Shouldn't the
- sales people be told not to put together a quote for a system with FTN
- but no IDO? (Except, of course, for customers who already have IDO but
- not FTN, and plan to pirate IDO from their other system(s). :-)
-
- And, by the way, why on earth is the support cost (as a percentage of
- the purchase price) so much higher for IDO than it is for FTN? I know
- of a couple sales SGI has lost to customers who were choosing between
- a Sparc-2 and an Indigo, for example, or between a Sparc-10/41 and an
- R4000 Indigo, and who decided to go with Sun even though the Indigo
- was clearly a better bet based on the initial "what you get for what
- you pay" criteria. The reason Sun won out in spite of SGI's apparent
- advantage was the fact that the long term support costs of the Indigo
- made SGI less attractive. I hope SGI's pinstripers are listening!
-
- Mark Bartelt 416/978-5619
- Canadian Institute for mark@cita.toronto.edu
- Theoretical Astrophysics mark@cita.utoronto.ca
-
- "Clothes not busy being worn are busy drying." - Dylan, on laundry day
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