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- From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
- Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
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- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:44:07 GMT
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- In <92211.150235ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET> ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET writes:
-
- >Sorry, but comparing only cost or only speed is absolute nonsense. I can
- >compare the speed of equally priced machines or the cost of equally powered
- >machines,
-
- Or you can compare the speed of a much more expensive machine in order
- to stack the deck in your favor. Which is what you did.
-
-
- >I don`t need a "full blown" 486 for this. In one of the latest MacWorld issues
- >the average price for a IIsi w 14" (13"?) color monitor was about $3000 with
- >5MB RAM and 105MB harddisk. Thats about DM4500 but thats surely not the price
- >in Germany. Here you have to add a considerable NON-US-CUSTOMER penalty.
- >For a 33MHz 486, 4MB RAM, 106MB harddisk, 14" color monitor, DOS and Win3.1
-
- Sigh. How many times must we go through this? That 14" monitor is
- not even close to being comparable to Apple's RGB Tritron monitor.
- If you wanted to use a crappy VGA on the Mac instead, you could
- knock off several hundred dollars. Getting a good (SCSI) hard
- disk on the PC will add a couple hundred dollars more. Yes, you
- can buy a cheap 486 and get just what you pay for....
-
- Oh, did I mention Hypercard, Resedit, and all the other software
- Apple gives you free? Or how much you'd pay to get the equivalent
- software (Toolbook, Whitewater Resource Toolkit, etc.) for the PC?
-
-
- >The FIRTS benchmark I referred to in my post was a Dhrystone benchmark
- >compiled with THINK C 4.05 on the Mac IIsi and GCC 2.1 running under OS/2 2.0
-
- Obviously fair comparison. You used an old version of the Think C
- compiler, without the code optimizer. I hop you also remembered to
- turn the floating-point code generation off.
-
- >on a 33MHz 386 (NOT 486 that will be another factor 2 to 2.5). The results:
-
- > Mac IIsi 386
- >Dhrystones/s 5600 17400
-
- >Now you can discuss the meaningfullness or lack thereof of this kind of bench-
- >mark, but since this test comes from the UNIX (or mainframe ?) world and most
- >of the machines mentioned in the source code were 680x0 based workstations I
- >seriously doubt it is highly optimized for the PC. Also it doesn`t include
- >floating point benchmarks.
-
- No one in the UNIX or mainframe world takes the dhrystone benchmark
- seriously anymore. This is one of the programs, in fact, that I've
- gotten to run slower on the CONVEX than on the Macintosh, which shows
- you how misleading these synthetic benchmarks are.
-
- And since you didn't answer my question about whether you bothered
- to install the FPU in the IIsi before running the benchmark, I'll
- assume the answer is either "no" or "I don't know what that is."
-
-
- >The SECOND "benchmark" I ran was using Word 4.0 on the Mac and WinWord 1.1 on
- >the same PC with Win3.0 (not the fastest GUI of all times). The PC was equipped
- >with a ET3000 VGA board which is definitely not the fastest under the SUN :-)
- >and in fact already out of production. Both Word versions are functionally
- >equivalent and --- you might guess it --- the PC won this subjective
- >"benchmark" hands down. It is _my_ Mac and _my_ PC so why should I be that much
- >biased ?.
-
- Oh, let's see... why would Microsoft write a word processor that runs
- faster under Windows than it does on the Mac...? Why would Microsoft
- write a word processor that runs faster under Windows than it does on
- a Mac...? Why would Microsoft...
-