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- From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
- Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
- In-Reply-To: smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov's message of 24 Jul 92 17:35:35 GMT
- Message-ID: <CKD.92Jul25203701@loiosh.eff.org>
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- Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
- References: <92203.173612ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET> <yL0aoB27w165w@mantis.co.uk>
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- Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 00:37:03 GMT
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- Sang> == Sang J. Moon <smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov>
-
- Sang> However, if you have checked your hard drive with ResEdit, you
- Sang> should see that your deleted statement about there being no
- Sang> Desktop file was incorrect.
-
- I made no such statement. Please be more careful in attribution.
-
- Sang> You conveniently deleted your original statement that my post was
- Sang> in response to in which you made absolute statements that mac
- Sang> applications were all point and click installations and the worst
- Sang> case mac application installation was a few minutes. I was
- Sang> giving examples to prove the point that installation takes just
- Sang> as much time and effort for either machines in general.
-
- I made no such statement. Please be more careful in attribution.
-
- Sang> You can always find exceptions for specific software, but
- Sang> installation of software in general takes just about the same
- Sang> time on either machine.
-
- *In general* it takes more time to set up an application or function on
- a PC-compatible machine. Certainly there are *some* PC programs that
- are easier to set up than *some* Mac programs; I don't deny that.
- However, using MS applications as an example of how tough Mac programs
- are to set up is like using nuclear bombers as an example of how all
- airplanes are bad and man was never meant to fly.
-
- Sang> This in turn is to point out that time "fiddling" with a PC is
- Sang> not really a cost factor because in the long run it is
- Sang> insignificant, and just as much time is spent on "fiddling" with
- Sang> the mac albeit not in the exactly same ways (different machines
- Sang> after all).
-
- It is a cost factor. I administer a network of about 20-30 Macs, and
- one PC (as well as a number of Unix machines, routers, and whatnot).
- The PC is the damndest headache of them all, administratively.
-
- Here's how I installed a CD-ROM drive on the 486/33:
-
- Install SCSI card, find the *right* driver disk (there was a READ ME
- FIRST note saying "use this one, not the other one in the drive
- package"), install drivers. Edit AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS to load
- the drivers, being careful to choose an unused drive letter. Use SETVER
- to make DOS pretend to be 4.01 so the CD-ROM software is happy. Turn
- the machine off, install the card, and plug the drive in. Turn the
- machine back on (after closing it up, etc) and try to load the CD-ROM
- drivers. Watch it blow up in a conflict with the SVGA board. Power
- down, move the monitor, open the machine up, change the DIP switches,
- try again (repeat 2 times). Finally find an address that works; too bad
- it conflicts with the Ethernet driver. Disable the Ethernet driver and
- reboot. Finally get the CD-ROM working, but make two copies of
- AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS; one for the CD-ROM, one for using the net.
- Live with it.
-
- And how I installed the same model drive (a NEC CDR-73) on a Mac IIfx:
-
- Install the NEC drivers by dragging them from the install floppy to the
- System Folder. Shut the machine down, find an unused SCSI address, put
- the CD-ROM drive on the chain, power everything back up, insert CD-ROM.
-
- How I set up dial-in access for PC users:
-
- Explain Procomm, explain how to log in to the Sun, show them how to use
- Pine, expect frantic phone calls ("how do I upload a file").
-
- How I set up dial-in access for Mac users:
-
- Give them a copy of AppleTalk Remote Access. Set up a name/password
- pair on the LanRover, and give them the phone number. Give them a
- "cheat sheet" on configuring MacTCP, and copies of Eudora and Fetch.
- Sit back and enjoy the refreshing lack of support calls :-)
-
- (And before you go off on a diatribe about how my boss is paying for my
- time, etc, note that I recently bought a IIci using a cash advance on my
- credit card. You'd have to pay *ME* to take a PC home. Before that I
- did nicely with an SE, and before that, a Plus.)
- --
- Christopher Davis * ckd@eff.org * System Administrator, EFF * +1 617 864 0665
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