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- From: thester@nyx.cs.du.edu (Uncle Fester)
- Subject: Re: Old Software
- Message-ID: <1992Jul25.183120.29356@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
- Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 18:31:20 GMT
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- I don't want to beat a dead horse or flame anyone, but Jeff is right.
- I bought my first Atari in 1981. A 400 w/48k, 810 drive, 410 recorder and
- a couple of games and the BASIC Programmer package. (A *large* box with
- the BASIC cart and manuals.) It wan't until 1988 that I ever had one
- piece of pirated software. I had a Happy installed in 1986 to back up
- everything for myself alone.
- In February of 1990, I bought a Packard Bell 386sx and didn't even have it
- a whole week before I managed to be given several illegal copies of PC
- software. I have a rather large collection of the stuff now and don't use
- any of it. But my point is this; the Atari 8 bit users are not as bad as
- they have been made out to be. Just because there was a lot of
- hardware/software made for copying stuff doesn't mean a thing. Commodore
- had its share of same and you can still buy stuff for that machine today.
- I've read magazines for the 8 bit with articles concerning piracy actually
- laying the blame for no software on some sort of conspiracy by the
- develepors to make the Atari community an example by not producing stuff
- for it. Sort of like, "see, if you pirate this is what will happen to
- you." I don't believe that at all. But it is tolerated to an extent on
- the clone platform because of the sheer number of machines that are
- installed. I love my Atari, but if I can't legally buy a piece of
- software then I will gladly take a pirated copy. The notion that there
- are developers in Europe and Peru still making stuff for the Atari doesn't
- make me feel better either. It's not easy to get and it's not the stuff
- that I want. (mostly) What I want is the stuff that was made and isn't
- even being sold from musty old shelves at American T.V. or the like. If
- the copyright holders won't allow the stuff to be released then what am I
- supposed to do? If you look in the big Sears catalog, you will see that
- they are selling parts for autos that were made in the 1930's. Do you
- suppose they had to ask Ford or whoever for permission to make/sell a part
- for an auto that is no longer in production?
- I've been through the same hassle of trying to find the copyright holder
- of particular programs and met with little or no success in some instances
- and with others the answer was the same as the original poster of this
- subject. "No way." I had the same idea (be a source for old software)
- and was going to make it a virtually non-profit venture on my part.
- Royalties and fees would of course go to the proper people. They just
- don't want to hear it. I wish any poor sucker that tries to do the same
- immense luck if they try to do the same. The number of copyright holders
- that will even deign to discuss the issue with you will number less than
- five. I am talking about the old "classic" stuff. I don't know what sort
- of experiences Darek has had, but it sounds like he lost some money some
- where and still holds it against the Atari community at large. Well, I've
- lost money too Darek. We can't all get rich off of a machine that was
- destined to all but disappear.
- Since 1981 and my first Atari, I now own two additional 400's, two 800xl's
- and a 130xe, an XF551 and two 1050 drives. I bought all but the extra
- 400's at retail and not some clearance sale. I forgot the printers that I
- have gone through. Two Atari printers and an Epson and a Star Micronics.
- The amount of software that I purchased was enormous. I contributed
- monetarily to the wealth of Atari and its software producers. Now they
- have abandoned us to go on to drink from another well. That well will run
- dry also eventually and will in turn be abandoned. I don't believe in
- piracy but I *do* believe that if a particular piece of software is not
- available for sale anywhere in _this_ country then the acquisition of same
- by whatever means is not hurting anyone.
- I think I've blathered on long enough, but you can bet that this subject
- will continue to come up with the same old arguments and wild accusations.
- To what end? It's certainly not going to make time go backward and make
- things like they were in the early 80's. Face it. We're dead in the
- water and any piece of useable flotsam that drifts our way whether legal
- or not isn't going to make one whit of difference.
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