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- From: tw5232@albnyvms.bitnet (Teddy Wang)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
- Subject: Re: '040 and SCSI
- Message-ID: <1992Jul25.083358.8695@sarah.albany.edu>
- Date: 25 Jul 92 08:33:58 GMT
- References: <1992Jul7.224444.943@westford.ccur.com> <53585@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>,<mike.0310@agrijag.UUCP>,<1992Jul22.015517.26439@sarah.albany.edu>,<1992Jul23.162409.14156@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
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- In article <1992Jul23.162409.14156@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, mjp3783@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
- >In article <1992Jul22.015517.26439@sarah.albany.edu>, tw5232@albnyvms.bitnet (Teddy Wang) writes:
- >
- >>Now this is a silly post! First off, you can get a used 2000 for around $500.
- >>At least a month ago you could get the RCS Fusion Forty for $995. That's $1500
- >>for an '040 machine! Add some 32bit ram and you'll be going 4 times faster
- >>than a standard 3000. We're talking $2000 for a fully configured 17 MIPS
- >>computer! Well lets, see I've seen standard A3000/16 for around $2000 (used of
- >>course)!!! About bus speeds, unless the amiga gets someone serious to enter
- >>the hardware seen (say someone comes out with a Zorro III SCSI-2 controller or
- >>something like that,) you're not going to need the bandwidth. A good SCSI
- >>controller will operate at about 1 to 2 megs per second, which is about the
- >>maximum throughput of a fast SCSI drive (easily attainable with Zorro II and a
- >>'040.) Yes if Zorro III had some good expansion development (like EISA is
- >>now,)it would be worth the money to buy a 3000, but I don't know how you could
- >>justify spending that kind of money on the 3000 - '040 but as it stands, Amiga
- >>just doesn't have those devices...
- >>
- >
- >Bull. My 2000 GVP 030/25 is nowhere near as fast as a 3000. Maybe because
- >any graphics or sound or disk drive access or .... has to go through 16 bit
- >ram. As for a Zorro III hd controller, why? The only advantage it would have
- >would be major speed. The 3000 comes with a hard drive controller built in. How
- >many people do you know that would be willing to buy a card that would give
- >them ONLY faster hard drive access. People for whom 1 meg/sec isn't enough?
- >Most low end hard drives don't even do speeds> that of the 3000's scsi
- >sontroller. The 3000 also comes with a 2 meg agnus, a hard drive, a filcker
- >fixer, and so on. It seems to me that the cost of adding up all of those litle
- >goodies would more than make up for the price of the 3000 (which is why it
- >sells).
-
- I disagree (calmly.) Most people who are out to by an '040 accelerator is in
- it for a special purpose (which is most likely graphics related for the Amiga.)
- Somebody in this situation would not be looking at standard Amiga components,
- they would also be looking at graphics cards, etc (lets face it standard Amiga
- graphics just don't cut it.) So if you stick an IV24 in an Amiga 2000 with an
- '040, and one in an Amiga 3000/16 which one do you think will operate faster?
-
- Which one do you think will render faster? Doing benchmarks, I've heard that
- the Toaster is some 5-7 times faster with an '040 equipped A2000 than the
- A3000/25. And that's graphics. In my previous post, I stated that *IF* there
- were any good exansion perif for Zorro III it would be worth it. Unfortunately
- there aren't. Maybe a memory board here, a graphic board (DMI's still
- unreleased TI 020 beast) there but really not nearly the support that Zorro II
- has. Think about it. The original poster thought that an Amiga 3000/16 with
- PP&S's '040 was the end all be all Amiga. I was just refuting what he said.
- My argument is that it's not as great as he made it out to be as well as being
- much more expensive that my setup. Of course if you're asking for the end all
- be all computer of the century you wouldn't pick an Amiga!
-
- Teddy
-
-
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