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- From: billc@popsicle.UUCP (William J. Coldwell)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
- Subject: Networking. (was: LET'S RESCUE THE AMIGA!!...(in misc))
- Message-ID: <billc.08pd@popsicle.UUCP>
- Date: 30 Jul 92 03:53:53 GMT
- Article-I.D.: popsicle.billc.08pd
- References: <1992Jul28.231558.41972@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> <1992Jul29.150338.20945@dxcern.cern.ch>
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- >From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
- >Date: 28 Jul 92 23:15:57 CDT
- >Message-ID: <1992Jul28.231558.41972@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
-
- [...]
- > Maybe COMMODORE'S BIGWHIGS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN NETWORKING. IT SEEMS
- >OBVIOUS AS ACCOURDING TO A POST BY ONE OF THEIR NETWORKING GURUS THEY
- >_ONLY_ EMPLOY _THREE_ PEOPLE IN THIS CAPACITY. It seems to me that the
- >Amiga has and if it continues to be a machine literally kept breathing
- >by ITS CUSTOMER FANCATIC SUPPORT AND LOYAL _GENIUS_ THIRD PARTY DEVELOPERS.
- >Increasingly customers are disgruntled and developers are broke.
-
- Ask yourself these questions:
-
- A) In a peer-to-peer environment, how many people do you know who own
- more than one Amiga?
-
- B) In a work environment, how many Amigas are on desktops that want to
- get hooked into a ArcNet, EtherNet or AppleTalk network?
-
- C) In the real world, how many company purchasers would choose an Amiga
- over a Mac or PC to network it?
-
- Once you answer those questions, then you'll understand why Commodore only
- employs three people in that capacity. If Commodore ever comes out with a
- machine that has built-in networking capabilities, then it would make more
- sense to expand that section.
-
- [Futile stock and hostile-takeover comments deleted.]
-
- >Oh, BTW, if you're looking to network, the only reasonable soloution
- >is with the amiga implementation of SLIP called AmigaNOS. AGAIN NOT A
- >C= PRODUCT BUT THE PRODUCT OF ANOTHER BRILLANT MEMBER OF THE AMIGA
- >COMMUNITY.
-
- Umm, he's Phil Karn KA9Q... he's _very_ PC. It was ported to the Amiga
- by a couple of brilliant members of the Amiga community.
-
- >jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
-
- Then, Don writes:
- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- >From: don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd)
- >Date: 29 Jul 92 12:45:11 GMT
- >Message-ID: <Bs5I3B.AJD@news.udel.edu>
-
- >jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
- [...]
- >>Maybe COMMODORE'S BIGWHIGS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN NETWORKING. IT SEEMS
- >>OBVIOUS AS ACCOURDING TO A POST BY ONE OF THEIR NETWORKING GURUS THEY
- >>_ONLY_ EMPLOY _THREE_ PEOPLE IN THIS CAPACITY. It seems to me that the
-
- > Well, maybe those three people are busy developing products and
- >don't have time to sit around reading news all the time? Ever hear of
- >SANA-II? It's not at all unusual to ask a question and only get one
- >or two responses; even a few years ago when the net was crawling with
- >Amigans and the machine was still way ahead of its competition. Blaming
- >Commodore for a lack of responses isn't very reasonable.
-
- Agreed. Try to remember that they don't have to reply at all, much less
- read any of the drivel that we generate....
-
- [comments about Todd and Arthur deleted]
- > Todd R. is a Mac fanatic who only likes the Amiga for the Toaster.
-
- >>C= PRODUCT BUT THE PRODUCT OF ANOTHER BRILLANT MEMBER OF THE AMIGA
- >>COMMUNITY.
-
- > No, Commodore makes ethernet and arcnet boards as well as TCP/IP
- >software, and if I'm not mistaken they also funded some of Oxxi's
- >development of its Amiga Novell Client Software. And again, the SANA-II
- >specification was just recently finished (Standard Amiga Networking
- >Architecture); it will likely provide the basis for quite a few
- >networking products.
-
- SANAII opens the door for hardware transparent protocol stacks. That means
- that you could run AppleTalk over an EtherNet card and TCP/IP over AppleTalk.
- Since applications make standard calls to SANA device drivers, it means that
- they don't have to CARE what they are running over (or for that matter, how
- many hardware mediums their packets run over before reaching their
- destination).
-
- >don@chopin.udel.edu \ don't be surprised." - Styx, 'Mr. Roboto' /
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