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- From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
- Newsgroups: comp.security.misc,alt.security,comp.unix.ultrix
- Subject: Re: Problem with npasswd??
- Message-ID: <1992Jul28.035951.22683@reed.edu>
- Date: 28 Jul 92 03:59:51 GMT
- References: <PCL.92Jul27140810@black.oxford.ac.uk> <1992Jul27.184324.14697@hubcap.clemson.edu>
- Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
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- In article <1992Jul27.184324.14697@hubcap.clemson.edu> hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor) writes:
- >Unless I am mistaken, npasswd doesn't check for everything crack
- >does. Even dropping the time consuming crypt part, it seems like it
- >would take an unacceptable amount of time to change your password if
- >it were checked against, say, an 800,000 word dictionary with 300
- >transmogrification rulesets.
-
- But remember - if n is the number of words you want to check against
- (say, 20000 words * 15 transformations = 300k words), you only have to
- do O(log n) comparisons. Your password cracker is going to be doing
- O(n) comparisons, and she's going to be doing it through a slow crypt
- function. You win.
-
- Furthermore, there's no reason in principle that the crack 4.1 word
- generation engine (which is excellent) can't be grafted into npasswd.
- I keep hoping someone else will do the work for me.
-
- >The point is, even if you use npasswd, a cracker will still get some
- >of your passwords. So what if they only get 10 instead of 200, they'll
- >still have some userids from which to launch their nefarious plans.
-
- yes, but if you have 2000 users and only 10 of the passwords are
- crackable, then it will take a *long* time for the "nefarious cracker"
- to get at those passwords.
-
- Security is a game of staying ahead, not being perfect.
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