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- From: mdc8567@nyssa.boeing.com (Mike Clay 952-0504 - Gone to feed Vaal...back soon)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
- Subject: RE: DEC product phase outs and license conversion
- Message-ID: <9207250025.AA17468@atc.boeing.com>
- Date: 25 Jul 92 00:25:19 GMT
- Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU
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- ................................... SUMMARY ...................................
-
- Awhile ago, I posted a semi-flame about DEC having gotten into the business of
- phasing out one product, only to bring along a replacement product, and then
- charging the customer for migrating to the replacement product. Remember that
- one?
-
- Well...a few other people some things to say, and I did promise a summary, so
- here it is:
-
- VAX Performance Advisor -> DECperformance Solution (DECps)
-
- One replier stated that according to the trade rags, you "should" be
- able to get the same features you currently have with VPA with DECps
- for no fee.
-
- Another replier stated that the upgrade will be at no charge, but that
- to keep the maintenance charges the same as VPA, they expected to "drop
- back to Data Collector on most nodes."
-
- Some other pertinent information:
-
- The DECps Data Collector (PSDC), Performance Analyzer (PSPA) and
- Capacity Planner (PSCP) are seperately installable and seperately
- licensed products.
-
- DECps V1.0 (PSDC, PSPA and PSCP) will run with your existing VPA licenses.
-
-
- Phase I -> Phase II Shadowing
-
- One replier states "there isn't a fee for this [conversion] at all."
-
- Another replier states "We have been contemplating adoption of Volume
- Shadowing for some years time. Now the -AB licence has been dropped and
- the price has skyrocketed I doubt we'll ever do it."
-
- Some other pertinent information:
-
- With Phase I shadowing, shadow *sets* are served, and you only need to
- license the serving nodes.
-
- With Phase II shadowing, shadow *members* are served, so every node that
- mounts shadow sets needs to be licensed. "No license, no mount."
-
-
- Data Centre Monitor -> ?
-
- One replier is waiting to see what happens to DCM too.
- Other than that, I didn't get anything on DCM.
-
-
- Some other products mentioned by others that I forgot about:
-
- DECwindows -> DECwindows Motif
-
- One replier states that "Motif had a period in which you could get a
- free license for existing DECwindows machines."
-
- I can personally vouch for this. Luckily we got our license request
- in before the deadline. If you didn't get yours in already, it is
- too late... :-(
-
-
- SPM -> DECps
-
- DECps V1.0 does not have much, if any, SPM functionality in it yet.
- I hear that future revs will include SPM-like functionality. Not
- being an SPM guru, all I can say is that DECps looks a lot like VPA with
- an improved DECwindows interface and a slightly different command line
- interface.
-
- DECps V1.0 will also run with your existing SPM license.
-
-
- RBMS -> DECelms
-
- Since we don't use either of these, I cannot comment.
-
-
- Infoserver V1.x -> Infoserver V2.x
-
- Again, no comment.
-
-
- Some general comments:
-
- One replier was of the opinion "that DEC ought to give away VPA/DECps for
- free - it would sell CPUs, memory and other things and more than make up
- for the cost of development in hardware sales alone. And management
- products like TSM (and ALL server download files should be packaged in one
- kit that includes TSM). Also something like LTM which disables the bridge
- functions of a bridge ought to come 'free' with a DEC bridge."
-
- Another replier stated that "We've had no trouble at all over such things.
- Tell your rep. to read his _Sales Update_s a little more thoroughly.
- Or hop onto the Electronic Connection and read all about it for yourself
- in Customer Update."
-
-
- Thanks to (in order of receipt):
-
- Louis B. Moore,
- Dan Wing,
- One replier who didn't want his name or his company's name mentioned,
- Mark H. Wood
- Robert McIntosh
-
-
- If anybody else would like to spout off for awhile about DEC rearranging their
- product line, I'd be glad to listen and pass along your experiences, comments,
- etc. Just send e-mail to the address below, and I'll update the summary in a
- week or so.
-
- Michael Clay
- Boeing Computer Services
- Internet: claym@bcsaic.boeing.com
- Mom Bell: (206) 952-0504
-
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