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- From: jarober@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (DE Robertson james an 410-740-9172)
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- Subject: Re: Origins of IBM / Microsoft rift
- Message-ID: <1992Jul31.115853.8029@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>
- Date: 31 Jul 92 11:58:53 GMT
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- soh3@quads.uchicago.edu (min-woong sohn) writes:
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- >1) Users' point of view is different from what you say is true.
- >OS/2 users do not want to run windows applications in either seamless
- >or in full screen windows. It is costly in terms of using system resources
- >like memory and cpu (You have to run DOS+Windows and then the app in addition
- >to os/2). If they had comparable or better native
- >apps for os/2, they wouldn't run windows apps. In a sense, Windows
- >emulation is a ***necessary evil*** for a lot of users. In time, people will
- >start to buy os/2 apps and dump their old windows apps for various reasons.
-
- If OS/2 apps become available. For all the talk, the trade rags I read
- indicate the Borland and Lotus will be SLOW to release OS/2 versions of
- their main apps - the Windows versions are bigger money makers, plain and
- simple.
- You make the 'great net mistake' here as well. Most users are
- not terribly technical. Most users do not download in one window,
- compile in a second, run a WP in a 3rd, and play a game in a fourth. They
- run one, and only one app at a time. For this crowd, OS/2 and
- Windows are equal in that they act as DOS shells. They don't CARE
- what OS they run - the MIS department makes that decision for them. Sure,
- users are getting more sophisticated, but from my experience in
- consulting, the above holds pretty true.
-
- Most of the fanatics (OS/2 or Windows) in this forum are
- programmers and techie nerds (I'll fess up to being one myself...)
- I happen to prefer A nice Sparc station to either Windows or OS/2, but
- that's neither here nor there - We can argue over fine points all we
- want, but the users don't care.
-
- They want a simple system - PIF files are enough of a pain - The
- OS/2 methodology of tweaking non-OS/2 apps is WAY too much effort for the
- average stiff who just wants to run his dams app. Not everyone has
- true blue equipment, and OS/2 is not easy to load on clones - Dos/Windows
- is far simpler to load. Again, the average stiff does NOT have the patience
- that a tech guy does.
-
- IMHO, OS/2 2.0 is Beta software - nice, but released too early.
- In this regard, Windows 3.0 was also Beta, with 3.1 being somewhat
- ready for prime time. Until IBM make OS/2 a <LOT> easier to load and
- a <LOT> easier to tyweak, it will remain a niche OS.
-
- Jim Robertson
- jarober@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu
-
- >In other words, os/2 users will buy os/2 apps not windows apps. I think
- >if you use os/2 consistently for two months, then you'll naturally
- >think the way I do. For example, there are two clock that come with os/2.
- >One is a windows applet and the other os/2 native applet. I personally
- >prefer os/2 applet but even someone who think windows applet looks much better
- >wouldn't have it running after a couple of trials. **It slows down the
- >system in a very annoying way.**
- >On the other hand, the os/2 clock just sits at a corner of your
- >screen all the time without slowing down your system in any obvious way.
- >You're statement that Widnows apps are running all to well on os/2 is
- >certainly true, but it is not an appropriate nor a compelling reason
- >for not developing for os/2. In a simple enough terms,
- >developing for windows is one thing and developing for os/2 is
- >an entirely different matter. From the users' point of view.
- >And a lot of developers seem to appreciate this fact.
-
- >2) You're missing/ignoring the developers' viewpoint also.
- >They would surely do some extra work if that is likely to make them a
- >lot of money. I believe once a Windows app is written,
- >it is relatively a short step from there to a full-fledged os/2 apps.
- >IBM will even release (or has it already done so?) migration
- >toolkit that will help developers to migrate their apps to os/2. On the
- >other hand, there are MS competitors. They're tough and want to win the
- >competition with MS. They are WordPerfect in wordprocessor market, Lotus
- >in spreadsheet market, and Borland in language market. All three are
- >top notched developers and they are tough competitors at that. All three
- >are developing for os/2 for obvious reasons. They think a headstart in
- >the os/2 market will only help them in their competition with MS for
- >their respective product niches. Your assertion will only be true
- >for those developers who cannot invest to the development of apps for
- >os/2 and windows at the same time due to financial or many other reasons.
- >But they are hardly likely to be a major factor in this state of affairs.
-
-
- >I hope this provides you with some food for thought :)
-
- >Min
-