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- From: lai@seas.gwu.edu (William Y. Lai)
- Subject: Re: Origins of IBM / Microsoft rift
- Message-ID: <1992Jul29.065821.24656@seas.gwu.edu>
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- Organization: George Washington University
- References: <BrJMAD.41E@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> <1992Jul18.001704.9600@sequent.com> <1992Jul25.005338.4298@microsoft.com>
- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:58:21 GMT
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- In article <1992Jul25.005338.4298@microsoft.com> gordonl@microsoft.com (Gordon Letwin) writes:
- >>If the released projections from IBM are correct, that should be
- >>1Q93, sort of a New Years Resolution...
- >
- >The key phrase here is "if the released projections...are correct".
- >The statements IBM makes to the press about the # of copies sold don't
- >match their royalty statements to us, not by a very large factor.
- >This is not just a matter of closing dates on the statements; even
- >correcting for that there is no match.
- >
- >It's my personal opinion that this is one of the reasons that IBM has gone
- >out of it's way to start a pissing match between IBM and Microsoft. Then
- >IBM can say anything that they want for sales figures and if Microsoft
- >says that it doesn't agree with our royalty statement then IBM hopes that
- >some people will think that Microsoft is just lying because of all the bad
- >blood.
- >
- >Microsoft will start developing for OS/2 when there are close to 2 million
- >USERS of OS/2, not just when IBM starts to claim that figure, or not
- ^^^^^
- ^^^^^
- >just when 2 million bundled installs have been done. Obviously our
- >apps group, like any other software company, cares about the number of
- >potential customers for the product, not the real or imaginary count
- >of cardboard boxes that have been printed.
- >
- >So IBM can say what it wants about OS/2 numbers; if they're playing games
- >this will become clear to ISVs, who watch the customer demand curve,
- >over the next year or two. You won't see any major articles saying
- >"IBM fibbed"; you'll just see small articles saying that ISVs are
- >decommitting because of "disappointing sales". That's how you'll know.
- >
- > gordon letwin
- > not speaking for microsoft
-
-
- Geez Gordon, since when did Microsoft start to count by units being USED,
- rather than units SHIPPED? It has always been Microsoft's accounting policy to
- count units sold as they leave the factory/installed, not units USED, no?
-
- Let's at least agree not to have double standards in accounting, if Microsoft's
- apps group is indeed "unbiased."
-
- And for that matter, can you prove that there are 2 million copies of Windows
- being USED? And how do you define used? Installed? Used intermittently?
- Daily?
-
- Let's be honest here, if Microsoft's apps group does not want to lend a hand
- to the success of OS/2, just come out and say so. I, like most users, can
- understand MS for not developing for a competing platform. And given MS's
- clout, it might just work. In that case, IBM has nobody to blame but them-
- selves for not drumming up enough apps to support OS/2. But please, MS,
- don't insult us users' intelligence with these BS. Fight, MS, is fine, but
- weaseling is not.
-
-
- IMHO, of course.
-
-
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