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- From: wang@ibma1.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric Wang)
- Subject: Re: More Biased Reviews From ZD
- Message-ID: <1992Jul25.185955.12825@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
- References: <1992Jul21.203539.16323@njitgw.njit.edu> <1682C6AE3.CIVENBAH@mizzou1.missouri.edu> <bcgm#lk.jeffc@netcom.com> <1992Jul24.175623.26866@microsoft.com>
- Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:59:55 GMT
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- >In article <bcgm#lk.jeffc@netcom.com> jeffc@netcom.com (Jeff Cohen) writes:
- >>Borland's ObjectVision 2.0 for OS/2 2.0 is now shipping, and it's 32-bits.
- >>Lotus will ship 32-bit OS/2 versions of all their products. I've seen a
- >>demo of a beta version of Freelance by a Lotus rep, and I was impressed.
- >>32-bit versions of 1-2-3 and AmiPro are also forthcoming. So is
- >>WordPerfect 6.0. No, they're not in the stores yet, but they are
- >>coming.
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- philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) writes:
- > So with the exception of ObjectVision, all of the above are
- >vaporware, yes? And with the logic usually used on this group, none
- >of them should effect any decisions made today, correct?
-
- Precisely. In other words, saying "Don't go out and buy Microsoft Excel
- n.0 for Windows right now because Lotus 1-2-3 for OS/2 1.0 will be out
- real soon" would be an eminently vaporous statement, and Lotus or PC Mag
- would get flamed if they said it.
-
- > Sorry, couldn't resist. This whole double standard thing is
- >just too annoying.
-
- I don't see any double standard in this case. You are perfectly
- entitled to say "Many major software vendors are porting their flagship
- apps to NT, which demonstrates vendor support for NT", and probably even
- the most ardent OS/2 supporters would (however grudgingly) accept this
- as fact. The above statement is equal to this one, s/NT/OS\/2/g.
-
- Now, if Lotus managed to somehow get PC Magazine to constantly plug
- 1-2-3 for DOS, and occasionally interject "Well, we gotta admit that MS
- Excel for Windows is superior to 1-2-3 DOS in just about every way --
- but it DOESN'T MATTER!! because 32-bit 1-2-3 for OS/2 will be here RSN!!
- and it will be better than MS Excel! so you can just ignore MS Excel and
- wait for 1-2-3 OS/2", *then* 1-2-3 OS/2 would be vaporware. The key
- phrase here is "wait for". If X and Y both exist, and the statement
- "Y > X" is being used to make people buy Y instead of X, then that's
- just good marketing. But if Y doesn't exist, and the statement "Y > X"
- is being used to prevent people from buying X, then Y is the bad kind of
- vaporware that attracts long threads of flames.
-
- As far as I know, Lotus hasn't tried to wield its 1-2-3 OS/2 spec sheet
- as a marketing tool to cajole users into ignoring MS Excel, they've
- merely announced that the upgrade is underway. Had MS simply announced
- that it was working on NT, and then quietly gone and DONE IT, nobody
- would be flaming NT as vaporware. It's the repeated insistence, from
- numerous sources, of the superiority of NT's spec sheet to OS/2's actual
- capabilities that causes raised hackles (and no small number of
- unthinking flames from the pro-OS/2 camp).
-
- In sum, I don't see sufficient parallels between these vendors'
- announcements of upgrades to their products and MS/ZD's usage of NT vs
- OS/2 to justify your "double standard" remark. If you made a pro-NT
- statement analogous to the one quoted above, I would have no problem
- with it.
-
- Eric Wang
- wang@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu
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