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- Subject: Re: New MultiTOS PC (Atari Falcon)
- Message-ID: <2+UB3tj017n@bridge.welly.gen.nz>
- From: julian@bridge.welly.gen.nz (Julian Wright)
- Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:13:45 +1200
- Reply-To: wright_j@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Julian Wright)
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- mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
-
- > Yeah, but if I install a filing system with (say) 32-character filenames,
- > would all my software still work?
-
- Certainly. When you drag a file onto a task to load it into that task,
- the task gets sent the entire pathname of the file, which it can then
- pass to whatever low-level file-load/file-open OS routine it prefers.
- This pathname may well contain components longer than 10 characters...
- but the task doesn't need to worry about that.
-
- The original RISC OS filer had problems with leafnames longer than 11
- characters - it would throw up an error dialogue. However once you
- removed that dialogue you could still continue the operation you were
- performing afterwards. Not to mention all subsequent versions of the
- filer have not had this problem, and will cope with filenames of any
- practical length.
-
- > > Risc-OS 3.1
- > > even allows easy access to MS-DOS and Atari format disks, I can put
- > > one in and display its directory in a window along side one from an
- > > ADFS "E" format disc - without loading special software.
- >
- > If I wanted to do that on the Mac I could, but by and large I find the free
- > Apple File Exchange program good enough.
-
- Yes I am sure AFE performs a satisfactory job of transferring files to/from
- foreign filing system format discs. But I personally feel there is a
- distinct advantage in being able to directly access files on foreign discs
- in an identical way to that of accessing native format discs. There is
- no need to physically transfer the data onto one's own discs (with all
- the extra disc swapping that entails)... simply drag the file from the
- (eg) DOS disc's filer window onto the task you want to load it. Or drop to
- the command line and use standard RISC OS commands for navigating any
- format of disc in the traditional way.
-
- RISC OS low-level formats Atari and DOS discs too... and considerably faster
- than the DOS machines I have seen.
-
- > > Does it fully support a 3 button mouse as standard?
- >
- > Believe it or not, some of us don't want a 3 button mouse. Especially not
- > without standardization over which button does what. My Mac's trackball has
- > one button, and that does me well enough.
-
- Fair enough, except that under RISC OS the use of all three buttons *is*
- standardised. The left button is the normal click/drag/double-click button
- (SELECT), the middle always pop's up the application's menu (MENU), and
- the right one adjusts a selection (ADJUST), the way you do on a Mac by
- holding down the SHIFT key while clicking. QED.
-
- > > Are menus context sensitive?
- >
- > I hope not. Context sensitive menus are bloody confusing. (Go to
- > comp.human-factors if you want to discuss it.)
-
- Hmm. I have never found them confusing.
-
- > > Do menus stay on screen when you take your finger of the mouse?
- >
- > Better than that, I can tear off menus and use them as tool palettes.
- > (I've heard rumours System 7.1 will do that for all menus...)
-
- Yes well that can be done with dialogue boxes (which can be the leaf item
- in a menu hierarchy) as well. But in normal use I prefer to only have
- menus cluttering the screen while I am in the process of choosing options
- from them, and for them to disappear when not in use. This is achieved in
- RISC OS by choosing a menu item with the left button to select that item
- and close the menu tree, or with the right button to select that item and
- keep the menu open, updating it if necessary.
-
- Cheers, Julian.
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