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- From: Lowey@Sask.USask.CA (Kevin Lowey)
- Subject: Re: OS2 Good news and Bad news (OS2 & a little windows too)
- Message-ID: <1992Jul23.044551.2228@access.usask.ca>
- Originator: lowey@jester.usask.ca
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- Organization: University of Saskatchewan
- References: <1992Jul22.165948.20220@njitgw.njit.edu>
- Distribution: comp.os.os2.advocacy
- Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:45:51 GMT
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- From dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap):
- > yeates@rtsg.mot.com (Tony J Yeates) writes:
-
- >>6) I asked them to run AMi Pro, my chosen word processor. Oh dear
- >>oh dear! It was oh, so , slow to come up. The rep. tried to cover up
- >>by stepping up the talking - but it was too long for that. It seemed
- >>like about 4 minutes to load, but it was probably less. It was
- >>certainly embarrassingly and painfully slow. The rep. said it had to
- >>load a lot of things, DOS then windows, then AMI, but even so - it was
- >>SLOW (remember 486 16M RAM ....).
- >
- > That's a minor complaint of mine as well. When you start an WIN-OS2
- > session, you must start a DOS session, run the DOS session's
- > AUTOEXEC.BAT file, and then run WINOS2.COM. Once that's going, your
- > application can load. It can take a while in some cases.
-
- Sure, but compare that to the time it takes when running DOS and you
- have to press Control-Alt-Del. Remember, OS/2 is booting a "foreign"
- operating system (DOS), with a foreign windowing manager (MS-Windows),
- to run a NON OS/2 application (your windows app). However, it still
- performs the VDM-boot, DOS boot and Windows boot faster than pressing
- CONTROL-ALT-DEL on a DOS machine would. And on the DOS machine, you
- could only run ONE of these programs at a time. I can have multiple
- MS-Windows desktops in OS/2.
-
- >
- > The rep should have had a WIN-OS2 session started in the background,
- > and switch to it to launch AMI Pro. It would have looked better that
- > way...
-
- No, that's a Microsoft trick (Lie in the demonstration).
-
- What the IBM rep SHOULD have done is show how slow it is loading
- something like the CLOCK, explain what is happening, THEN load AMI Pro
- as the second task to show that once WINOS2 is going, the other apps
- load about the same speed (or faster because of HPFS) than in Windows.
-
- The rep could finish by explaining that if you put the Windows CLOCK
- program in the startup folder, then WINOS2 would load automatically at
- startup (in the background) so you wouldn't notice it. The rep could
- then show an OS/2 specific word-processor like Pagemaker or DeScribe
- and show how it runs rings around the Windows version.
-
- >>8) No SVGA driver yet. Rep. claimed that their would be one/some.
- >
- > There are many third party SVGA drivers. Contact your board
- > manufacturer. I'm using SVGA modes on my ATI VGA-1024 board with no
- > problems.
-
- I'm using my 800x600x16 Trident SVGA mode, with seamless windows just fine.
-
- >
- >>10) Apparently a resource hog.
- >
- > But there are enough resources that it's not a problem. Under DOS, a
- > 512K program is too big. Under OS/2, it's not that significant.
-
- Right. OS/2 uses more initial resources, but once you have the
- minimum, the resources available to programs are virtually unlimited.
- This is because of OS/2's memory management and swapping. This allows
- me on an 8M machine to have many DOS boxes, each with 16M of extended
- and 16M of expanded memory available to it, running in separate
- windows on the desktop quite happily.
-
- For me, the minimum is 8M of RAM, and about 10M of disk space free for
- a swap file for when I run really large programs (i.e., programs that
- DOS cannot even hope to run because the data structures are too large)
-
- --
- - Kevin Lowey (Lowey@Sask.USask.CA)
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