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- From: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (John G Dobnick)
- Subject: Re: Phantom Access - EFF
- Message-ID: <1992Jul31.010025.15457@uwm.edu>
- Originator: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
- Sender: news@uwm.edu (USENET News System)
- Reply-To: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
- Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
- References: <1992Jul29.220306.2270@eff.org>
- Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:00:25 GMT
- Lines: 46
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- From article <1992Jul29.220306.2270@eff.org>, by rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis):
- >
- > Actually, the survey has been forwarded around the office, and
- > will probably be discussed at the next staff meeting. But we probably
- > won't make any official response to it, as it wasn't an official
- > survey.
-
- [At the risk of seeming argumentative...]
-
- Um... pardon me, but what then, exactly, _is_ an "official survey"?
- And who proclaims it such?
-
- I should think that anything appearing in the newsgroups is as
- "official" as it ever gets here, just by it's being there.
-
- I certainly hope I'm not reading more into your statement than you
- really intended to put there, but your statement reads like a "_We_
- don't have to answer that because _we_ have decided this wasn't
- _official_, so there!" statement. I would hope that this was not the
- intended message, but the wording hints of a slight bit of "snootiness"
- to me.
-
- > Simply because the EFF doesn't make official responses to much
- > of what goes on in this group, doesn't mean we don't view it as
- > valuable feedback. Even the most outrageous crap is discussed and
- > analyzed for pointers about what we might be doing wrong or need to
- > improve. Now, the survey may indicate that our PR is too passive. Or
- > it may indicate that we aren't communicating as clearly as we thought
- > our activities in EFFO. It could also indicate nothing more than that
- > there are people operating on false assumptions about the organization
- > and there isn't much we can do about it if they refuse to read the
- > newsletters and general information files that get posted here on a
- > regular basis.
-
- In which case, isn't it better to educate the readership of this group,
- or these groups, and correct misconceptions? Just a thought.
-
-
- Awaiting clarification,
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