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- From: peterd@bunyip.com (Peter Deutsch)
- Subject: Re: NetNews/CD - USENET News Available
- Message-ID: <1992Jul28.084113.13274@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>
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- Organization: McGill University
- References: <1992Jul28.044339.16816@gtephx.UUCP>
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- Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:41:13 GMT
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- In article <1992Jul28.044339.16816@gtephx.UUCP> forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford
- @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona) writes:
-
- . .
- > It is not simply the act of posting to a shared bulletin board
- > that puts non copyrighted posts into the public domain.
- >
- > I agree with you philosophically (sp?), but the cold truth is that
- > you contract away your copyrights unless you place an explicit
- > copyright notice in your posts.
- >
- > Read "A Primer on How to Work With the Usenet Community" in
- > news.announce.newusers and news.answers for the fine print
- > of your agreement in using usenet.
-
- Errr, reality check. Chuq von Rospach does not own Usenet, and
- McGill University did not enter into a contractural arrangement with him
- to define our relationship with Usenet. And the fact that this quite well
- written primer reappears regularly does not make it any more valid. There
- are postings in soc.history that deny the Holocaust ever happens. Just because
- they reappear regularly does NOT make _them_ any more valid, either.
-
- > It explicitly states that you are to assume that you have lost
- > all copyrights to anything not posted with a copyright notice.
- > (Basically, posts sans copyright notice are placed in the
- > public domain: and you cannot sue someone for using it because
- > you did not realize that you placed it in the public domain.)
-
- Yeah, and Brad Templeton's regular postings to comp.orf.eff.talk
- regularly assure me that I have not. Now, Brad runs a company distributing
- copyright material given to him by BIG BUSINESSES so, he must be right, eh?
-
- > That may not be as you like it, but it is what usenet is.
-
- That simple little primer does not define copyright law, in the U.S. or
- elsewhere. That may not be as you like it but it is what copyright law is....
-
- > (IMHO, it is still unethical to use public domain works without
- > properly crediting the author.)
- >
- > BTW, When I do copyright, I add an explicit license for all usenet
- > facilities because the action of posting carries more weight in
- > a court of law than the words at the end of my posts.
-
- Out of curiosity, what jurisprudence do you base this opinion on? (you may
- be right, but it doesn't sound all that likely and given that noone here
- seems to have many concrete cases to cite, I'd be interested in how you
- came to this conclusion...)
-
- . .
- >
- > For those who have questioned my opinions of intellectual works,
- > I do respect copyrights, I just don't respect fools who do not
- > understand that they can contract away their rights. (And, believe
- > me, when you post to usenet, you are entering into a contract
- > which includes all of the terms and conditions which have been
- > presented to you -- whether or not you read them before agreeing
- > to them is entirely your problem. See news.announce.newuser
- > for a listing of those documents containing the agreements.)
-
- As the guy who first brought the Internet to Montreal, and installed what
- I believe was the first Usenet feed, I'm sure I'd recall asking McGill to
- sign any contracts that did that, since I try to be careful and _NOT_ sign
- such things myself. On the other had, we were pretty busy when getting
- everything up and running, so it's possible I mislaid the document you and I
- presumably signed entering into this so-called contractural. Could you please
- send me a notarized copy. I suspect that my giving away the copyright for
- everyone in Quebec when we installed Usenet is going to get me into trouble
- around here when people finally find out what I've done and I'd better have
- the paperwork ready when the McGill lawyers call me in.
-
- Seriously, "contract"? "Renounce copyright"? NOT!!!
-
-
- - peterd
-