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- From: eaker@ukulele.crd.ge.com (Charles E Eaker)
- Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
- Subject: Re: Down with free Forth systems.
- Message-ID: <1992Jul25.031945.4471@crd.ge.com>
- Date: 25 Jul 92 03:19:45 GMT
- References: <1992Jul15.115912.9846@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> <l6lr0pINNsvk@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> <1992Jul22.104843.9317@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> <1992Jul22.233956.27151@crd.ge.com> <1992Jul24.095451.4815@email.tuwien.ac.at>
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- In article <1992Jul24.095451.4815@email.tuwien.ac.at>, anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Martin Ertl) writes:
- |> In article <1992Jul22.233956.27151@crd.ge.com>, eaker@ukulele.crd.ge.com (Chuck Eaker) writes:
- |> |> Both C and Pascal were both developed by teams of professionals whose
- |> |> jobs were to create such things.
- |>
- |> Not really. Their jobs were to do research (C) and research and
- |> teaching (Pascal).
- ... etc.
-
- I agree, but they were not a group of volunteers. In both cases lots of bucks
- were paid to people in salaries, and to vendors for hardware and other resources.
- Very little of which had to be paid for (in one of those rare hiccups in the
- universe) by the user community, initially.
- Without at least that kind of investment, nothing as successful as C or Pascal
- will be produced today. And most certainly not through volunteered time and resources.
-
- From where I sit, it seems unlikely that another language will come along anytime
- soon to which people will beat a path as they did to FORTRAN, COBOL, C, Pascal,
- Ada, and C++. It will have to be a language (or, more likely, an environment
- such as Unix or Motif) that provides far more leverage than Forth can ever
- hope to provide. Unless, as I said, something happens to Forth so that I can
- use it to help me do things faster and easier on the kinds of projects I work
- on. For massive aerospace projects, for example, no one will ever accept Forth
- as the target language. That doesn't mean I can't use it as a tool to increase
- my productivity. Some vendor is going to have to add unthinkable amounts of
- value to Forth for that to happen.
-
- In short, I don't think a volunteer effort to produce Yet Another Better
- Forth will succeed. I'm also saddened at the prospect of so much energy
- being directed at YABF instead of other things that would be far more valuable
- in promoting Forth.
-
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