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- From: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Martin Ertl)
- Subject: Re: ANS figFORTH
- Message-ID: <1992Jul21.081730.1980@email.tuwien.ac.at>
- Keywords: ANS, fig, implementation
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- Organization: Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
- References: <1992Jul15.115912.9846@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> <l6lr0pINNsvk@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM>
- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:17:30 GMT
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- In article <l6lr0pINNsvk@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM>, wmb@pi.Eng.Sun.COM (Mitch Bradley) writes:
- |>
- |> > We'll hope to get volunteers to join the group, so that we'll get not just
- |> > another Forth, but THE Forth of the 90th!
- |>
- |> ... thus further eroding the ability of Forth vendors to make a profit,
- |> thus ensuring that Forth will forever be relegated to a hobbyist language
- |> or an academic curiosity.
- |>
- |> Down with free Forth systems.
-
- Could you present evidence for your premise that commercial success of
- a language comes from vendor profit?
-
- Looking at the languages currently in commercial use, I see that it's
- the other way round: first the language became popular (usually in
- academia), then it became commercially used and then vendors could
- make a profit (in spite of free or low-cost academic and hobbyist
- implementations). This is true for Pascal, C, and in some sense also
- for FORTRAN.
-
- As a counterexample look at Eiffel and Miranda, two no-freebie,
- vendor-profit languages. Eiffel sure is the better language, but C++,
- which has free implementations, is taking over. Miranda has some
- academic popularity, but ML (a similar language with a high-quality,
- free implementation) is used more widely.
-
- - anton
- --
- M. Anton Ertl Some things have to be seen to be believed
- anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at Most things have to be believed to be seen
-