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- From: jim@n5ial.chi.il.us (Jim Graham)
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
- Subject: Help on upgrade to 16550A UART
- Distribution: world
- Message-ID: <712027154snx@n5ial.chi.il.us>
- References: <uD4DoB4w164w@zswamp.UUCP>
- Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 01:19:14 GMT
- Organization: Me? Organized? Hah! :-)
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- I wrote:
-
- >> of course, good
- >> luck getting UART identifying software to know the difference....from
- >> the programs I've seen, a visual of the chip is the only truly reliable
- >> way to know what you've got.
-
- geoff@zswamp.UUCP writes:
-
- > To the contrary, in my experience... there are chips labelled
- > "8250" which are functionally identical to the 16450 (including such
- > trivia as the scratch register). I suspect - but have no proof - that
- > NS doesn't make 'real' 8250s anymore, but ships 16450s labelled 8250
- > because that's what people order.
-
- 8250? or 8250A? in the post where I listed the different types, I
- did mention the 8250A, which was grouped right in with the 16450. on
- the other hand, you may well have a point --- NS might very well have
- improved on the 8250 design in recent years, and either not announced
- it as such, or perhaps, it didn't make the publication date for the
- specs I've got (which was 1990, and shipped to me in the last 6 months
- from NS themselves).
-
- interesting question --- who's right? beats me.... but then, I'm sold
- on the 16550 these days, so to me, it's purely an academic question
- (still, very interesting!).
-
- and now to get on with the other followup.....
-
- In article <uD4DoB4w164w@zswamp.UUCP> geoff@zswamp.UUCP writes:
-
- > jim@n5ial.chi.il.us (Jim Graham) writes:
- >
- > > first, the old 8250 UART I once had installed most certainly refused to
- > > be programmed higher than 9600 bps.
- >
- > I don't get it. You mean to say that it refused to register divider
- > values that would result in speeds higher than 9600 bps? How long ago
- > was that?
-
- the chip was in a serial board I bought around, oh, 1986 or so. don't
- know how old the board and chip were at the time.... and yes, it flatly
- refused to be programmed higher than 9600 bps.
-
- > > NS16550AF: DC to 256k page 4-36
- >
- > That last figure must be with a non-standard crystal, right?
-
- well, let's see (now pulling out the NS data sheets again...hang on)....
-
- yuck....3 different tables....if anyone's interested, I'll type up the
- tables. otherwise, I'll only hit a couple of entries from each (the
- top 2 speeds).
-
- All tables are from NS data sheets on NS16550AF, pages 4-50 to 4-51:
-
- Table III. Baud Rates Using 1.8432 MHz Crystal
- | Decimal Divisor
- Desired | Used to Generate
- Baud Rate | 16 x Clock
- -----------|----------------------
- 38400 | 3
- 56000 | 2
-
-
- Table IV. Baud Rates Using 3.072 MHz Crystal
- | Decimal Divisor
- Desired | Used to Generate
- Baud Rate | 16 x Clock
- -----------|----------------------
- 19200 | 10
- 38400 | 5
-
-
- Table V. Baud Rates Using 8 MHz Crystal
- | Decimal Divisor
- Desired | Used to Generate
- Baud Rate | 16 x Clock
- -----------|----------------------
- 128000 | 4 [42? The Answer? hmmm...the speed before
- 256000 | 2 128 was 56 kb, which is 6*9....perhaps NS
- has some Hitchhiker's fans? :-) ]
-
- is this helpful?
- --jim
-
- --
- Standard disclaimer....Ever since my cat learned to type, there's no telling
- whose thoughts these really are.... 73 DE N5IAL (/9)
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