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- From: lindsay+@cs.cmu.edu (Donald Lindsay)
- Newsgroups: comp.arch
- Subject: Re: 64-bit CPU vs 2 x 32-bit CPUs
- Summary: not so it matters
- Message-ID: <1992Jul26.174103.228432@cs.cmu.edu>
- Date: 26 Jul 92 17:41:03 GMT
- References: <1992Jul26.032636.244142@cs.cmu.edu> <1992Jul26.043911.19430@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>
- Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
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- eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
- >: Since the DEC 21064 Alpha chip only supports 43-bit effective virtual
- >: addresses, the cost is approximately 43-32=11 pins.
- >How about the 64 pin program and 64 pin data?
- >: Since the package has 431 pins, I don't think that 11 pins was some
- >: sort of horrendous burden that changed everything.
- >If it needs only 11 pins, why do you need 431 pins? Why not just 132+11?
- >80386 uses 132 pins.
-
- You are confusing implementation and architecture. The 386 and its
- follow-ons have (so far) nearly identical ISA, but we can be sure
- that the 586 and 686 will have an increased pincount. This is because
- their mandate is high performance. The 21064's data bus is 128 bits
- wide, and Alpha instructions are 32 bits: clearly neither number was
- driven by the choice of a 64 bit integer unit.
-
- The original question was, what is the cost of changing the
- architecture from 32 bits to 64? The silicon answer is, today, ~~10%
- more. The pin answer is, well, implementations might add another pin
- or two to their physical-address bus. [In the quote above, I
- incorrectly gave the number of virtual address bits, whereas physical
- addresses emerge from the 21064. My apology.]
-
- The point of undertaking this small cost _now_, instead of "someday",
- is that chips have to be designed well ahead of need. As time passes,
- more and more customers will find reasons to change up, and these are
- precisely the customers that you don't want to lose. DEC may already
- be hearing complaints from Cray about "only" allowing 34 address
- lines.
- --
- Don D.C.Lindsay Carnegie Mellon Computer Science
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