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- Subject: Re: Apples and Oranges
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- From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 20:47:45 PDT
- References: <1992Jul29.161936.17199@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
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- power@random.ucs.mun.ca (Brian Power) writes:
-
- > >
- > >>Canada just does not know what it is ready to give to Quebec.
- > >>CSQ has to decide in a one for one basis, not one against 10.
- > >>...
- > >>Why is that "united" Canada unable to find something that Quebec will accep
- > >
- > Denis, I think you have finally enunciated the basic difficulty in all
- > past discussions regarding Quebec and it's position within Canada.
- >
- > The Quebecois view Canada as the creation of two founding communities,
- > French and English. Quebec represents the French and the rest of Canada
- > represents the English. The Quebecois see a LOT of historical injustices,
- > an eroding culture, and geographical limitations on their mobility
- > within Canada. Therefor, since they hold a large majority within Quebec,
- > they enact legislation and develop Quebec wide policies to ensure that their
- > culture does not erode further and that their economy can sustain it's cultur
- > Moreover, they demand the legislative authority to ensure that the Canadian
- > legislation cannot be used either as a basis to block their efforts or as
- > a tool to directly erode their culture. What this boils down to is French
- > Canadian is the same as Quebecois and Quebec equals The Rest Of Canada.
- >
- > *** Putting on Flame Retardant Suite ***
- >
- > TROC views Canada as the creation of two (possibly three) founding communitie
- > English speaking dependents of many European cultures (NOT the same as the
- > English conquerers - the original English speaking provinces were primarily
- > Scottish and Irish) and French. Recently, the 'native' peoples have been
- > added as the third group.
- >
- > TROC believes that a lot of effort has been expended to rectify historical
- > injustices toward the French Canadian community, i.e. official bilingualism a
- > French Emerson schools. They ARE aware that both of these programs need
- > improvement and that 'other' initiatives are needed but they look to them as
- > proof of a 20 year commitment to right old wrongs! They believe that
- > French Canadian culture exceeds the boundaries of Quebec with significant
- > population in Manitoba, Ontario, and New Brunswick and the ambition of TROC
- > is to provide cultural security to ALL Canadians, including French Canadians.
- > (At the same time nobody but a few rednecks will claim that the Quebecois do
- > not constitute a 'distinct society'.)
- >
- > TROC doesn't understand the Quebecois stance with respect to
- > culture. For example, the very strong Scottish community in Nova Scotia has
- > given up Gaelic as their primary language and now maintain it as a 'third'
- > language. They don't feel culturally barren so why do the Quebecois feel so
- > strongly?
- >
- > TROC sees the Quebecois policies as placing geographical limitations on their
- > mobility within Quebec - for the same reasons that the Quebecois feel
- > restricted in the rest of the country.
- >
- > TROC sees the Quebec demands as a power grab; as an attempt to entrench the
- > the concept that Quebec is equal to TROC. To TROC, Quebec is a province,
- > equal to each other province.
- >
- > *** Taking off flame retardant suite ***
- >
- > Looked at from this perspective, this country is in trouble - we are not
- > even discussing the same issues!
- >
- > If you look at the Quebecois demands from their perspective, they are being
- > reasonable. They are asking for the MINIMUM requirements to implement their
- > agenda. If you look at TROC offers from their perspective, they are being
- > reasonable. They are offering the MAXIMUM they can while retaining what is
- > required to implement their agenda. But we have two incompatible agendas.
- >
- > In many ways I think Canada is doomed! In order to find a solution acceptable
- > to both groups someone (probably both) must change their basic view of Canada
- > and I don't think this will happen! Maybe if one group moved first the other
- > would respond but both groups feel they have gone as far as possible. In the
- > current situation, even if the coming Quebec referendum chooses Canada the
- > issue will not be resolved. Only the development of a single unified view
- > of Canada will resolve this issue. Lack of a resolution will result in the
- > eventual breakup of Canada - if not this year, then next, if not next year,
- > then in five years, if not ......
- >
- > --
- > Brian Power e-mail: power@random.ucs.mun.ca
- > Memorial University
- > St. John's, Newfoundland
-
-
- Brian, I find I largely agree with your analysis. What is your impression
- of what will occur to the Maritimes and Newfoundland/Labrador if Quebec
- successfully secedes?
-
-
- emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca (Robert Smits Ladysmith BC)
-