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- Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:15:00 N
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- From: Guenther Augustin <AUGUSTIN@DHDMPI50.BITNET>
- Subject: Re: European Appeasement
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- >
- >Maybe some fo the EUropean members of this list could explain the apparent
- >European fascination with appeasement, esp. in their own backyard -- Bosnia-
- >Herzegovina being the latest example. Is there a belief that if you
- >appease a "madman" long enough, he'll turn out to be your "friend"?
- >
-
- Maybe. You never know what goes on in some politicians minds, and you're
- sometimes even surprised about their late discoveries - see Mr Carrington
- lately.
- I suppose it will rather be either the idea that you simply do something
- (actionism), but it doesn't really affects you (you close your borders and ask
- refugees for visas, and then the conflict can be quite far away ...).
- Or you simply try to survive the "madman" (eventually have him weakened by the
- conflict - see Stalin vs. Hitler / but this is only one possible interpretation
- of that relation).
-
- >True,
- >the U.S. has the reputation of "shooting first, asking questions later" but
- >twice this century we have fought in Europe, the last time directly tied
- >to Munich 1938 (whether or not we fought on the "right" side in WWI is
- >debatable).
- >
- > Doug Hall
- > CSDOUG@STMARYTX
- >
-
- In this special case I would not debate about the "right" side, but about
- fighting at all. Anyway this is off the subject.
- The temptation of appeasement and pacifism might come from the horrors that
- Europe had experienced during this century (BTW May I ask when you had the last
- war in the U.S. ? I mean on the territory of the U.S. and not declaring a war
- and fighting abroad ). So there (fortunately) is no more "just" war, but also
- the idea of "necessary" wars is not any more accepted on wide scale.
- Now what makes a war necessary ? Either a war that you can't avoid later, so
- you try to find the most adequate starting position for yourself.
- And then there still are things even worse than wars (at least so called
- conventional wars).
- Another reason might be diplomacy. In European history you can find quite a few
- foreign ministers who became quite famous. It might not be enough to speak
- about a tradition, but it not very hard to understand that todays diplomats
- strive to similar fame - by negotiations, which are a widely accepted means of
- foreign policy, in contrast to agression. And of course this is a good job , as
- long as it doesn't become an equivalent of sacrificing human lives for this
- aim.
- About the last thing that should happen when this crisis comes to an end,
- is the international recognition of a map of Ex-YU "redesigned" by Serbia.
- But you never know ... and sometimes it happens even worse.
-
- Cynically yours
-
- auge
-