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- From: cummings@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Cummings)
- Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
- Subject: Re: English English versus *American* English
- Message-ID: <cummings.712360831@milton>
- Date: 28 Jul 92 22:00:31 GMT
- References: <1992Jul28.183222.20963@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>
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-
- Where does one start refuting trash like this? At the beginning, I
- suppose... :-)
-
- mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar Mukund Mirashi) writes:
-
- >I am just starting a new (perhaps been beaten to death already??) thread....
- >....I am just a newcomer to the US and what struck me immediately was the
- >difference in the written and spoken language. In India, we follow the
- >English English, since IMHO it is the original and pure form of the
- >language.
-
- Hardly. You wouldn't recogniZe "original" English. And what makes
- it "pure"?
-
- > What irked me most, was how Americans seemed to treat the language
- >as if they owned it!
-
- Who "owns" a language? Its speakers, perhaps?
-
- >Personally I have no grudge against Americans, but
- >dammit, you guys just can't change the language like that!
-
- You mean we were wrong when we made all the changes at the American
- Revision of English Conference?
-
- >To me, it
- >amounts to sacrilege! They have dropped letters from words for "convenience"
- >Blasphemy! I can understand words going out of usage, or neologisms coined,
- >etc. but changing the very spelling of words is an impardonable sin!
-
- I suppose you think words have always been spelled as they are now.
- "Spelling" used to be "spellynge," or some such thing. Was it a sin to
- change that?
-
- >What
- >is even more annoying is how they can be so smug about it. One of my friends
- >submitted his report to his professor in British English.....the professor
- >had the impudence to point out his "spelling mistakes". Preposterous! The
- >fact that America is the world's most powerful nation, does not justify
- >Americans controlling the English language.
-
- Who's controlling the English? Have we sent in troops to force
- other English-speaking countries to conform to the American dialect?
-
- >Their only claim to the language
- >is that they have learnt it right from their childhood.
-
- I.e., we are native speakers. It is, in that sense, as much _our_
- language as anyone else's. Language change occurs naturally among its
- speakers, and intent has little to do with it.
-
- >But that in no way gives me the authority to change the way words are
- >spelt!
-
- What "authority" is needed? What authority exists? Anywhere?
-
- > The major offenders: (written English)
-
- [pap deleted]
-
- >3. e instead of oe and ae (as in original Latin) - fetus instead of foetus,
- > hemoglobin instead of haemoglobin!
-
- Obviously, we have gone astray farther back than you think. We
- should never have given up on Latin!
-
- > There are many differences in pronounciation too, but aren't they
- >present all over the world? However I have met Americans who claim the
- >British accent to be "unfriendly". Obviously, when you encounter an
- >unfamiliar accent you are bound to find it unfriendly! I guess I am
- >most tolerant of all accents, having been exposed to the Amreican,
- >British and Australian accents (primarily)....but in no way can I call
- >them "unfriendly"....and it is unfair to do so.
-
- Nice story, but I've never run into an American who has told me
- such a thing. Don't generaliZe.
-
- > But I digress......all Americans reading this post...OPEN YOUR
- >EYES...follow the true English and atone for your sins. The beauty
- >of the English language lies in the fact that words ARE NOT ALWAYS
- >spelt the way they are pronounced. If you go around trimming words
- >to suit your needs, you simply deface this language. What is the
- >next Americanism? knife to nife? enough to enuff? Bunch of idiots!
-
- I feel a bit regretful in dignifying this drivel with a response
- since it's such obvious flamebait, but your complete misunderstanding of
- the way language works is an example of one of my biggest peeves. You
- remind me of a woman in a course I recently took on the history of English.
- Every time we would discuss a change that took place in the language, she
- would ask, "Why did they decide to do that?" NOBODY DECIDED! It JUST
- HAPPENS! You seem to think that we Americans got together and decided to
- change the Language becaus we're stupid and bent on vandalizing "pure"
- English. It's really a bit more complex than that. Trust me on this one.
-
- > Just a passing thought.....written English is sometimes so remarkably
- >different from its spoken counterpart that "fish" can be spelt as
- >"ghoti" (f = gh, as in enough; o = i, as in women; sh = ti, as in partial).
- >This is what makes English so unique! So lay off Americans!
-
- Very clever. I imagine most of us have heard this one a hundred
- thousand times or so. I read the GHOTI thing in a comic book when I was
- about 7 (my, wasn't that petty of me :-).
-
- >If you want to speak English, speak it like an Englishman.
-
- Feh!
-
- --
- Mike Cummings
-
- "Namoore of this!... Thy drasty rymyng is nat worth a toord!"
-