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- From: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
- Subject: Re: anymore unique
- Message-ID: <1992Jul21.162011@IASTATE.EDU>
- Keywords: anymore, unique, journal
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- Reply-To: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
- Organization: Iowa State University
- References: <Brqw5C.Hrz@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:20:11 GMT
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- In article <Brqw5C.Hrz@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, baron@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dennis Baron)
- writes:
- > The suggestion that unique can mean either `one of a kind' or
- > `one of a small group approaching one of a kind', ie that it may
- > be compared or noncomparable, comes close to claiming that a word
- > can have but one meaning, which is of course arrant nonsense,
- > though quite a few well------------known (is that enough hyphens
- > for ya?) usage critics have made just this claim.
-
- I'm sorry if I have been inclear on this. I originally listed two
- references that defined "unique" as "the only one of its kind". Both
- these sources stated that "more unique" was nonsense. I also
- listed a third reference that gave several definitions of "unique". One
- of these was "the only one of its kind", and another was "unusual". So
- two sources reject "more unique" and one does not. I certainly never
- intended to imply that a word can only have one meaning. I was trying to say
- that the sources contradict each other, and the correctness of "more unique"
- depends on one's choice of authority. To simply say "language is not
- logical" (as was said, but I don't remember by whom) does not really get
- the discussion further forward. After all, words *do* have meanings, and
- for communication to take place, we have to agree on what the meanings are.
-
- > [...deleted...]
- > But of course words are leaky things; they don't do what we tell
- > them to, we resist other people's strictures, we reject language
- > authority at the same time we seek to know what's right, and where
- > to put the commas.
-
- Huh?
-
- >
- > Sure there are conventions of usage. But like most conventions,
- > they drink too much and walk a less than steady line. To insist
- > on rigor from a flabby system, which is what language is, means
- > you will always be disappointed, and usage critics are always
- > disappointed.
- > [...deleted...]
- > Dennis Baron \'\ __________
-
- This disagreement is not between those who expect language to be logical
- and those who don't. It is between those who accept a particular definition
- of a particular word and those who don't. Therefore, discussions about rigor,
- flabbiness, and logical systems are beside the point.
-
- Marie Coffin
-