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- Subject: Re: Ex-presidents' titles and adverbs of location
- Message-ID: <1992Jul21.093201.3009@desire.wright.edu>
- From: thayes@desire.wright.edu
- Date: 21 Jul 92 09:32:01 EST
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- Tom--- I'm going to post this, and I expect you will reply, but I would
- suggest that after that we take this onto e-mail between us if you like.
-
- Now...
-
- You still *LOSE* (thanks for being intolerant of misspellings, Tom).
- You have in NO WAY demonstrated the utility or validity of the trailing
- "at". The rest is commentary, as they say; for example:
-
- > I get it: we're lazy so we ADD words? I think not.
-
- Adding words in this case is a sign of misusing the language. I'm sure that
- as a computer user you understand the difference between efficient and
- inefficient programming?
-
- > While brevity may be the soul of wit, any poet will happily inform you
-
- (tech note: I've never met either a happy poet or a happy golfer!)
-
- > that merely shortening an utterance to its semantic equivalent does not
- > necessarily make it better; in fact, for some purposes, it definitely
- > makes it worse.
-
- You have presented no evidence that "at" is superior, only that some
- people use it. My point has been that it's useless. You have obviosuly
- taken umbrage at this but, since your only defense has been snide remarks,
- again you lose.
-
-
- > :> Excuse me? "hippy argot"? I think not. This use has been around
- > :> since long before the flower children.
- > :No, not "hippy argot" -- *hippie argot*. This is a.u.ENGLISH, not
- > :a.u.ANATOMY, man!
- >
- > Ah, how deftly you've countered this point!
- >
- > In fact, you address it not at all. Try again.
-
- OK, thanks: you have absolutely no sense of humor, do you?
-
- > :Yes, the point is that not all dialects are equally valid simply because
- > :someone uses them.
- >
- > Say fucking what? [ <-note use of English infix particle ]
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- Big frigging deal!
-
- Most of the way through your reply, still no viable defense of "at".
-
-
- > Who died and made you grand linguopoobah to pass judgment upon
- > which dialects have validity and which don't?
-
- Still no defense. And becomming continually more nasty & irrelevant.
-
-
- >
- >
- > No information has been loosed, as you so inadroitly misput it, nor
- > for that matter has any been lost, either.
- >
- > Do not dispute what occurs in a dialect with which you appear to have not
- > even passing familiarity, or at least tolerance. You say "now"; others
- > say "at". Attempting to attribute validity to a person's dialect is an
- > endeavour frustratingly futile.
- >
- > :[deleted]
- > My goodness, but you ARE easily annoyed, aren't you? And you seem
- > to enjoy it as well. What an unpleasant life you must lead if this
- > should be the case.
-
- Actually the unpleasantness comes from a lack of real discussion here.
- I made assertion A. You counter. I rebut your argument.
- You cast aspersions on my personal life. I say, enough of this bullshit.
- If you have nothing to say, I think I will no longer reply over the net to
- this (see my suggestion above & below).
-
- >
- > :Look: if you want to spoil your life trailing "at"s, go forth.
- >
- > Maybe none in YOUR dialect, but let's not be passing value
- > judgments on others'. Embrace diversity, don't stifle it.
- >
- > --tom
-
- Got it. I expect you to reply. Then let's move this onto e-mail and
- leave this space for rent!
-
- -----ted hayes
-