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- From: rja14@cl.cam.ac.uk (Ross Anderson)
- Newsgroups: alt.security
- Subject: Re: PIN Codes
- Message-ID: <1992Jul29.121048.29079@cl.cam.ac.uk>
- Date: 29 Jul 92 12:10:48 GMT
- References: <1992Jul28.090418.854@news.Hawaii.Edu>
- Sender: news@cl.cam.ac.uk (The news facility)
- Reply-To: rja14@cl.cam.ac.uk (Ross Anderson)
- Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
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- In <1992Jul28.090418.854@news.Hawaii.edu>, ldoming@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu
- (Lawrence Domingo) writes:
-
-
- > BUT...how do they recreate the mag strip with all the correct information
- > if they don't know the PVK (pin key)? If I understand correctly, in some
- > systems the account number and card number are encrypted using the pin key,
- > and the result written to track 2 of the mag strip.
-
- Some systems do something like this.
-
- > Then a pin offset, also writtem on track 2, is used to determine the actual
- pin from the encrypted value.
-
- Not that I've come across. You either have an offset, or the PIN and account
- number encrypted, or nothing at all except the account number and expiry date.
- It is this last type of system which is so vulnerable to crooks looking
- over the customer's shoulder.
-
- > In both cases, one would have to know the PVK or pin-key in order to know
- > what should be written to the mag strip when all you have is the account
- > number and PIN.
-
- Not quite. Offsets usually have a default value of zero as that was the IBM
- way of doing things. A nontrivial proportion of customers may never have
- bothered to change their PINs and so you can just write a zero offset to
- the card and hope for the best.
-
- As a result of all the posting here, I've got a fair bit of email and one
- item in particular should be of interest. Last month, at a market stall in
- High Wycombe, England, a stallholder was offering some pretty good bargains.
- To pay with your credit or debit card, you just swiped it in his reader,
- types a PIN into the portable PC to which the reader was attached, and got
- a beautiful printed receipt. . .
-
- Ross
-