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- From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
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- Subject: Re: jargon
- Date: 21 Jul 1992 18:02:05 -0700
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- In article <1992Jul21.082129.24660@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
- >In article <l6me2nINNhlv@mizar.usc.edu>
- >adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
- >>In article <76189@ut-emx.uucp>, kbrooks@ut-emx.uucp
- >>(kevin brooks) proves himself incapable of making sense
- >>of what he reads. Perhaps a synopsis of the action
- >>to date is in order.
- >
- >Hmm. Starting off with an ad hominum attack. A good way to convince
- >people of the intellectual rigor of the upcoming arguments. (Subtitle provided
- >for the sarcastically-impaired: Imagine a big "NOT!!!" after the last
- >sentence.)
-
- I take my cues from my surroundings. Kevin Brooks began the
- article I was responding to with the snide question:
-
- > please tell me about your area of expertise? -- if you have one.
-
- What charmed me about that is the insinuation that even though I
- probably know nothing, Kevin does have an area of expertise. And
- of course there was his suggestion later in the article:
-
- > sometime when you have the time open a book and read it.
-
- So, I was responding to someone who began by questioning my
- intelligence and ended by suggesting that someday I might want
- to take the time to open a book and read it. Actually, Kevin
- suggested I not read a book, but rather use it as a springboard
- for speculations as to the nature of literacy. (Gosh, what a
- great idea! Language really *is* mysterious, and here I've
- always taken it for granted! I won't make that mistake any
- longer.)
-
- [deletions]
- >Chokey (i.e. me) was responding to Christopher's whole article, the
- >remainder of which you left out. _Immediately_ after the passage that you
- >did quote, Christopher went on to complain about how academics so frequently
- >make up "new words," rather than use existing ones. The fact that he showed
- >surprise that someone would use these words (remember the "(kevin brooks)
- >actually uses..." line," seemed to indicate that he thought these words were
- >not legitimate or recognized English words. I was merely pointing out that
- >these were, in fact, recognized and perfectly legitimate words.
-
- Yes, Christopher did display a certain unfamiliarity with standard
- English vocabulary. My purpose here, in any case, was to point out
- that perfectly ordinary words can be jargon. I took you to be saying
- that "problematization" and "popularization" couldn't possibly be
- considered jargon because the words have been in the English language
- for centuries.
-
- >The remainder of my article, which you also did not bother to quote,
- >was, furthermore, a defense of the "invention" of new words-- an assertion
- >that English contains a treasure trove of suffixes and prefixes that allow
- >us to create new words, the meanings of which should be perfectly apparent.
- >One does not, after all, need to think too hard in order to figure out
- >what words like "popularization" and "problematiziation" mean in order to
- >figure them out, even if one has never seen them before.
-
- I didn't quote the remainder of your article because I wasn't
- concerned with neologisms, nor was I concerned with how difficult
- or easy it might be to figure out what an unfamiliar word means.
- I was concerned with jargon.
-
- >>> ... But isn't it possible for
- >>> a word to be jargony in some contexts but not others?
- >
- >Sure. One poster-- perhaps it was you?-- gave the wonderful example
- >of the use of the word "gaze" in Lacanian psychoanalyis. I wouldn't dream of
-
- Yes, I brought up "gaze" and "other".
-
- >coming up with such an outlandish assertion-- that "jargon" constitutes some
- >sort of absolute category-- and I don't really know what made you think I did.
-
- I guess what made me think that you thought "jargon" constitutes
- some sort of absolute category was your comment that "[t]hese
- [i.e., "popularization" and "problematization"] don't strike me
- as being at all jargony. 'Popularization' is a very common word."
- Forgive me for misreading you.
-
- > ... (I still
- >think, however, that it would be pretty difficult to read the article as a
- >whole (as opposed to picking out one or two sentences from it), and not
- >realize just what it was that I was addressing.
-
- Of course I realized that your focus was the legitimacy of the
- two words in question in particular and of the invention of new
- words in general. What I was responding to, however, was what
- I mistakenly understood to be your belief that "recognized and
- perfectly legitimate words" can't be jargon because they *are*
- "recognized" and "legitimate".
-
- >>"Jargon" is a pejorative (read: subjective) term used to
- >>_characterize_ an objective reality. "Problematization"
- >>is a fairly uncommon word except among some litcrit types,
- >>but they overuse it with a vengeance. If one is contemptuous
- >>of the the discourse shared by these litcritters, then it
- >>follows that one might wish to characterize their shared
- >>language as jargon. And that's precisely what I did:
- >
- >Sorry to burst your bubble, but "problematization" is used among
- >academics from a whole host of fields-- not just "a few lit-crit types."
- >(Nice try, though.)
-
- I come across the word only in litcrit, but I'll defer to you
- on its popularity elsewhere. Would it be fair to say that
- "problematization", especially when used as it was in Kevin's
- sentence, betrays heavy French influence? That, in any case,
- is my impression.
-
- > You're certainly entitled to call it jargon if you
- >so desire. If I were making a list of overused jargony words and phrases,
- >however, I think "problematization" and "popularization" would be a lot lower
- >on the list than things like "discursivity," "always already overdetermined,"
- >"construction," and "slippage".
-
- I didn't deal with "popularization" because it's in common
- usage and appears to be uniform. Christopher's unfamiliarity
- with it is bizarre. Of course there are any number of words
- that I'd place higher on the jargon list than "problematization" --
- and I'd put "text" at the very top -- but jargon is jargon.
-
- >Of course, all of this is really beside the point, since neither
- >Christopher nor I were not talking about what one is/is not "entitled" to call
- >"jargon."
-
- Again, I took to you be making such a claim. I'm happy to
- see that you weren't.
-
- Arne
-
-
-