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- Path: sparky!uunet!wupost!uwm.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!jms111
- Organization: Penn State University
- Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:46:38 EDT
- From: Jenni Sheehey <JMS111@psuvm.psu.edu>
- Message-ID: <92206.093638JMS111@psuvm.psu.edu>
- Newsgroups: alt.peeves
- Subject: Re: Drug testing and welfare
- References: <92205.193651JMS111@psuvm.psu.edu> <14omq0INNltd@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
- Lines: 84
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- carolo@cse.ucsc.edu (Carol Osterbrock) says:
- >In article <92205.193651JMS111@psuvm.psu.edu> Jenni Sheehey
- ><JMS111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
- >
- >>The reason I say this is that if these people are buying drugs, they're
- >>doing it with *my* money.
- >
- >Ummm, whose money is the state going to use to do this drug testing?
-
- I'd personally rather it were used for drug treatment and prevention
- than drug use, but hey, maybe I'm just a fascist.
-
- >Well, it astounds me that it should be legal to have employers for
- >whom one is working be allowed to test you, too. Not so long ago,
- >it was legal to have them make you sign a statement that you'd never
- >belonged to a political party that they didn't like, but those wackos
- >from the ACLU got all uptight about that, so they had to stop.
-
- It is not *illegal* to belong to, say, the communist party. It *is*
- illegal to take, well, illegal drugs.
-
- >I think John Q. Public already has his opinion, and this sounds like
- >the state trying to jump on the currently popular bandwagon.
-
- Actually, if the bill were passed, PA would be the first state to have
- such a law.
-
- >>I'm not even receiving welfare, but if they want
- >>to test me first, they're welcome to. I've never been quite sure what
- >>the big deal was, anyway, assuming one has nothing to hide.
- >
- >Well, heck, kiddo, I'm sure they'll hit college students next. Lord
- >knows it was *your* money that built all those buildings. You can
- >walk proudly into the testing center with your sleeve rolled up,
- >knowing that you are *clean*.
-
- I'm not a college student, so this wouldn't be applicable.
-
- >You can gossip with your friends about
- >the girl down the hall that got kicked out last week because she got
- >stoned with her boyfriend a week before they hauled her in.
-
- Well, if it were a similar bill, she'd just be in a treatment program,
- unless the drugs were more important to her than her education, in which
- case she has no business being in a university in the first place.
-
- >You can
- >sweat a little because you had a couple of beers after the killer
- >midterm. You can proudly pay your taxes to build the new prisons that
- >have become necessary to keep all those heinous criminals from
- >leaching off society. Maybe you can even have the ultimate honor of
- >turning in one of your friends!
-
- That was a wonderful stream of sarcasm, however, there were a couple of
- problems with it.
-
- First of all, nobody's sending anyone to prison. They're merely giving
- them a choice: enroll in drug treatment, or stop receiving handouts.
- This program doesn't even effect people on unemployment or people who
- only receive food stamps. Second, there is a difference between being
- *willing* to take a drug test, and having an orgasm over the prospect.
- I wouldn't *like* it, but I would be happy to do it if it meant that a)
- people with problems would be forced to get treatment, and b) I would
- know that I wasn't eating on $5 a week to finance someone else's drug
- habit (which I don't happen to be quite doing now, but I have done it
- for considerable periods of time since I started supporting myself
- after college in 1990).
-
- >Peeve: people whose high school history class ended in 1945.
-
- Well, it could have ended in 1985, with the same result, no?
-
- Peeve: People who think that people have a *right* to indulge in illegal
- activities. You have a right to try to change the law. You don't have a
- right to disobey it. If you can get away with it, fine, but don't get
- all huffy if you get caught.
-
- Peeve: People who think people have a *right* to live on welfare their
- whole lives.
-
- ObHoney: Honey, you better not be one of those militant anti-smokers,
- too. That would just be too inconsistent.
-
- --Jenni
-