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- From: gen5006@husky1.stmarys.ca
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- Subject: Re: OBE tests that prove it DOESNT occur
- Message-ID: <1992Jul25.165928.1@husky1.stmarys.ca>
- Date: 25 Jul 92 20:59:28 GMT
- Article-I.D.: husky1.1992Jul25.165928.1
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- Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
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- > And where are these instances? Most of the ones I've heard about
- > didn't happen under controlled conditions.
- >
- > The cases I've heard about fall into the anecdote category, for the
- > most part-- the person _insists_ that they couldn't have known about stuyff
- > they saw while in an OBE. Since I have only the person's word on the
- > subject-- and that the person tends to want to believe in the OBE-- I
- > certain'y can't take that as evidence.
- >
- > As far as tests under _controlled_ conditions go, the evidence
- > becomes far more equivocal. There are questions as to whether some unknown
- > cue tipped the traveller off (say, the faint car horn from outside and the
- > person reporting a near-accident at the nearby intersection), or whether the
- > person might've been cheating. (I've seen magicians do a stunt similar to the
- > protocol described above.)
- >
- >
- > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- > Brian "Rev. P-K" Siano revpk@cellar.org
- > "Best Reason Not to Vote for Perot-- If he wins, it might encourage Bill
- > Gates to run."
-
-
- I guess the important question here is "Is there a conspiracy between
- people that have never met to create a fraudulent 'phenomena' just to give
- bored people something to talk about?" I mean i get the impression that you
- think everyone that has ever claimed to have had the experience is either an
- idiot or a liar. You don't believe the many account of people not under
- controlled conditions even when many of the people that report them didn't
- even believe until it happened to them. And as for the ones under more
- controlled conditions you try to point out that some obscure 'tip' clued them
- into their accounts. Somehow i don't think hearing a car horn would make me
- have a detailed vision of the accident itself. Another thing you seem to
- dismiss out of hand is the fact that the experiences are damn hard to control.
- You may *want* to do something but stray thoughts can mess it up pretty damn
- fast.
-
- Bill.
-