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- From: hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz)
- Subject: Re: Messianic Judaism 4 Of 4
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- Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:33:52 GMT
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- In article <139297.2A6DC8F4@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson) writes:
- >>Further Info for:strom@watson.ibm.com (Rob Strom)
- > 7) A Messianic Gentile man and a Messianic Jewish woman
- > *[We WOULD preform such a marriage; but would point out that while
- > the woman and the children would be considered Jewish, the husband
- > would not, as in making aliyah. We of course would exhort them
- > to stay in Judaic Observance, and to bring up their children with
- > appreciation of their Judaic roots.]
- > 8) A Messianic Gentile woman and a Messianic Jewish man
- > *[We WOULD preform such a marriage; but would point out as above,
- > and in addition, would point out that neither the woman, nor her
- > children would be considered Rabbinicly halachicly Jewish, as in
- > making aliyah; except the Reform Rabbinic understanding accepts
- > children from a Jewish father as being Jewish, based upon certain
- > understandings of a Parental line of descent from Tanakh.]
-
- According to the Reform responses posted by Dan Faigin on
- soc.culture.jewish, the official Reform position is that the child
- of a "mixed marriage" is Jewish if and only if the child makes a
- positive commitment to Judaism. The argument with Conservative and
- Orthodox movements lies in what is required for such a commitment.
- However, acceptance of xianity is definitely a sign that the child
- has NOT been "brought up Jewish" and therefore would not be
- accepted as Jewish by the Reform movement.
-
- The Orthodox and Conservative movements still regard the child of 7
- as born Jewish but not practicing Judaism. Also, evidence would
- have to be provided that the mother is indeed Jewish since she
- could be the product of an invalid relationship as in 8. There are
- people who find that the original Jewish mother in the matrilineal
- line is too far back for good proof so they go through a formal
- conversion just to make sure.
-
- In either case the child is being raised as an xian and therefore
- would not be regarded as Jewish for aliyah. The state regards
- someone who converts (or is practicing) another religion as not
- Jewish for the purpose of the Law of Return. This is for the
- secular law only and not according to Halacha.
-
- Note that all of this type such as Jews for j, mj, or whatever they
- call themselves fall under this category.
-
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- | Hillel Markowitz | Said the fox to the fish, join me ashore |
- | H_Markowitz@att.com | So too is it with the Jews and the TORAH |
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