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- From: Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson)
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- Subject: Messianic Judaism 4 Of 4
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- Date: 23 Jul 92 01:46:01 GMT
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- >Further Info for:strom@watson.ibm.com (Rob Strom)
- Here are areas that we PROBABLY would agree on:
- 1) A non-Christian gentile & a non-Christian gentile
- 2) A non-Observant Rabbinic Jew & a non-Observant Rabbinic Jew
- 3) A Messianic Jew & a Messianic Jew
- 4) An Orthodox Jew & an Orthodox proselyte
- 5) A Reform/Conservative Jew & any natural born Observant Jew
- 6) A Messianic Gentile & a Messianic Gentile
- 7) A Messianic Cohen (to per instructions in Torah) a Messianic Jew
- 8) A Rabbinic Cohen (to per instructions in Torah) a Rabbinic Jew
- 9) A "gentilized-Christian type" Jew & the same
- 10) Any "Gentile Christian type expression" Gentile & the same
- Here are areas that there MIGHT be some contention:
- 1) A non-Believing gentile & a Christian Gentile
- [We would not preform such a marriage]
- 2) A Messianic Jew & a non-Believing Jew
- [We would not preform such a marriage]
- 3) A Messianic Jew & a non-Believing gentile
- [We would not preform such a marriage]
- 4) Any Believing Gentile & a non-Believing Jew
- [We would not preform such a marriage]
- 5) Any Believing Proselyte and any other Believing Proselyte
- *[We WOULD preform such a marriage]
- 6) Any Believing Jew and another Believing Jew
- *[We WOULD preform such a marriage; but would also council on
- moving toward Observance, not away from it, should one of the
- parties be Messianic, and the other not. The non-Observant
- partner, in short, should not IMPOSE their lack of Observance
- on the Observant spouse. As neither should the Observant spouse
- FORCE their Observance on the non-Observant. But to IMPOSE
- LACK of Observance is MORE wrong than to require Observance,
- {I speak of the Judaic Injunctions, not the Moral Mitzvot}, the
- non-Observant must not interfere; and submit where there is
- contention. -These type of things should be discussed before the
- marriage takes place.]
- 7) A Messianic Gentile man and a Messianic Jewish woman
- *[We WOULD preform such a marriage; but would point out that while
- the woman and the children would be considered Jewish, the husband
- would not, as in making aliyah. We of course would exhort them
- to stay in Judaic Observance, and to bring up their children with
- appreciation of their Judaic roots.]
- 8) A Messianic Gentile woman and a Messianic Jewish man
- *[We WOULD preform such a marriage; but would point out as above,
- and in addition, would point out that neither the woman, nor her
- children would be considered Rabbinicly halachicly Jewish, as in
- making aliyah; except the Reform Rabbinic understanding accepts
- children from a Jewish father as being Jewish, based upon certain
- understandings of a Parental line of descent from Tanakh.]
- 9) A "gentile-Christian type Gentile" and any Messianic Jew
- *[We would preform such a marraige; but would exhort the Gentile
- to become Messianic Judaic Observant. If this was not agreed to,
- we would still reluctantly preform the marriage; but our view is
- that a Jewish person should move toward observance, not away from
- it.]-(this would however be very rare).
- 10) A Gentile as in #9 above; with the "same type" of Jewish Believer
- *[While we might be asked to preform such a type of marrige,
- (though this is doubtful, as we aren't where they'd normally be
- fellowshiping), we'd encourage both the Jewish Believer, and the
- Gentile to explore the Judaic roots of the spouse, and consider
- Messianic Judaism in their walk; vs. a strictly "Gentile"
- expression; but they'd not be in our Shule anyway for starters :-)
- *CAUTION: ALL THE ABOVE HARDLY COVERS THE SUBJECT & IS IN GENERAL!
- AM ISRAEL CHAI!
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