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- From: rjb@milton.u.washington.edu (LeGrand Cinq-Mars)
- Subject: Re: The Middle Pillar ritual, help needed
- Message-ID: <1992Jul29.160348.9612@u.washington.edu>
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- Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:03:48 GMT
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- Someone or other (I downloaded alt.magick without any
- headers whatsoever, which makes for an interesting
- read) made the following remarks, which I extract from
- their context in a state of wonderment.
-
-
- "... I will not use Kabbalah in ritual. (I
- believe that using Kabbalah in ritual, other
- than devotional ritual, is contrary to the
- intention of the Jews who developed the Kabbalah
- ....".
-
- "One other caveat: while there are some folk,
- for example Crowley, who say that these Hebrew
- letters, names, and other correspondences are
- part of the inherent nature of the universe,
- *most* experienced magical practitioners, of any
- style, recommend that one only use forms which
- one has an understanding of. ... I have
- developed a similar ritual form, without any use
- of Hebrew or other concepts which are not
- natural to the dominant Western Culture.... It
- would also only make sense in a context of what
- is meant by the "middle pillar". IMO, forms
- without context are forms without power."
-
- Questions
-
- 1. "Forms without context are forms without power."
- But isn't it common enough in esoteric training to
- begin with forms -- without context -- of practice,
- and encourage the student to generate the context
- through practice? Isn't that one way that forms
- acquire power?
-
- 2. "...recommend that one only use forms which one
- has an understanding of." And how much of an
- understanding is enough? And how does one know what
- percentage of understanding one has? And whether
- one's understanding is incorrect? Wouldn't one have
- to know the correct understanding to know that one's
- understanding was incorrect -- and isn't one of the
- hallmarks of having an incorrect understanding *not*
- understanding how incorrect one's understanding is?
- If one knows that one only understands something 50%,
- but must understand it (say) 75% or better in order to
- use it, how does one know this? Wouldn't one already
- have to understand it well to understand how little
- one understood it? Leaving aside the notion that this
- kind of injunction is deliberately paradoxical, isn't
- it true that it's generally after passing one's
- driving test that one really begins to learn how to
- drive? Or, not to be too metaphorical and allusive,
- that one generally comes to understand things by using
- them? Didn't Eliphas Levi repeat approvingly the
- advice to people with "doubts" that they kneel and
- pray -- and by praying encounter faith?
-
- 3. "...without any use of Hebrew or other concepts
- which are not natural to the dominant Western
- Culture...." What in the world can this mean?
- Certainly embedded in it are the propositions that (a)
- cultures have things that are natural to them and
- things that are not, that (b) it is improper to have
- any truck with things not natural to one's culture (or
- perhaps to things not natural to "the dominant Western
- Culture"?), and (c) that one language (Hebrew: what
- then about Aramaic? Arabic? Greek? Latin? German?
- French? Scottish English?) and certain (unspecified)
- concepts are among those unnatural things. Whose
- "Western Culture" are we talking about here? The
- Western Culture of Dionysius the Areopagite, Hildegard
- of Bingen, Thomas Aquinas, Dante, Ramon Llull, Anne
- Conway, Theresa of Avila, John of the Cross, John
- Milton, John Donne, Emmanuel Swedenborg (to get away
- from the Johns: this isn't just about Johns' culture,
- after all), Isaac Newton, Adam Mickiewicz, Jacob
- Boehme, John Pordage, William Blake, Goethe (another
- John!), Jane Leade (a female John?!) Longfellow, Yeats
- (etc.) -- or the Western Culture of Bart Simpson? To
- *whose* Western Culture are these things not
- "natural"? Speak for yourself, John.
-
- 4. "...I believe that using Kabbalah in ritual, other
- than devotional ritual, is contrary to the intention
- of the Jews who developed the Kabbalah ...." About
- taste and beliefs that do not claim any foundation
- there is of course no arguing, but let's turn this
- into a proposition or two anyway -- it's more fun that
- way. If it were not an inconsequential expression of
- personal taste, it would contain at least the claims
- that (a) that nothing (especially any cultural
- product) should be used in a way other than (or merely
- contrary to?) the intention of the person or people
- who developed it, (b) that there is one, unitary
- Kabbalah [there isn't], (c) that it was developed by a
- unitary group of people with a unified intention ["it"
- wasn't], and that (d) this intention allows anyone to
- use it in ritual as long as that ritual is only
- devotional [see (b) and (c)]. Now (b) through (d) are
- historical claims, and (at best) thoroughly
- problematic; (a) on the other hand is ... well, just
- silly.
-
- If it were not, it would mean that various American
- Indian religions (not to mention Santeria) had
- improperly used elements of Christianity (against the
- wishes and intentions of the copyright holders), that
- Luther had violated the Pope's copyrights, that the
- works of Mohammed's followers should be repossessed by
- Jews and Christians, that Christianity should yield
- its royalties in turn to Judaism and the school of
- Alexandria (which would also acquire a controlling
- interest in several varieties of Judaism, some long
- out of circulation), that the School of Alexandria
- would be obliged to offer some of its royalties to the
- gymnosophists and the Buddhists (though its parent
- corporation, the Platonic Academy) -- but that the
- Tibetan Buddhists at least would be in hock to the
- Nestorians for their tulku complex, the Sufis in hock
- to the Buddhists as well, along with the later
- Taoists, although the later Buddhists would be in hock
- to the earlier Taoists, and so on... And where did
- the Tree of Life diagram come from, anyway? The
- question of who has the copyright on that user
- interface is still in litigation, though the
- Kabbalists and the Neoconfucians are probably out of
- the running, the Neoplatonist claim seems to be based
- on a never-implemented prototype, the Idries Shavians
- and the Castanedistas have been adjudged without
- standing: the major contest will probably be between
- certain joint ventures of the Buddhist and Taoist
- enterprises.
-
- And then of course there are all the non-religious
- notions and customs that drift from one group of
- people to another. The felonious Mr Farouche would be
- in debt to the executors of the estate of Augustine of
- Hippo, Newtonian physics would be the preserve of
- alchemically-oriented crypto-Arians supervising Her
- Majesty's coinage... Who has the patent on neckties?
- Are the Japanese infringing on the British patent on
- suits? What about golf and baseball? How much do we
- owe India for the zero? And which community in India?
-
- I can imagine something like a central patent office
- for cultural notions of all sorts -- with patents
- granted in perpetuity. Or maybe something like the
- licensing that allows radio stations to play recorded
- music, or the use fees on library books in Britain.
- What fun! What guaranteed employment for lawyers and
- bureaucrats!
-
- --LeGrand
-
-