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- From: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun)
- Subject: Re: Possible to Obtain magic powers>?
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- >>jds2@po.CWRU.Edu (John D. Specht) writes:
-
- : >
- : A little ego, a little confusion, a little beginning. That's what I
- : always felt. I would argue that reading one book is meaningless to study,
- : and reading hundreds is a beginning. Once you try to explain a phenomenon
- : to yourself in many ways at the same time, you begin to find useful
- : confusion.<<
-
- Ego is like an animal which we all posses. The "challenge" is to domesticate
- it so we can "ride" it not so "it" rides us. A little ego is like a
- household pet. Which we think is our possession, but in keeping it we find
- ourselves bound as its slave. If this gives you a little confusion, good!
- Then you have begun a little begining.
-
- >>: There is one very easy to find source which will provide all of the tools
- : you need, and all of the lessons you shall learn: your own mind.<<
-
- That is where a "teacher" is important. One's own mind can be more deceptive
- than another person could deceive. For in another person it is easier to
- expose them and know they have deceived you. In one's own mind, one can
- remain ever deceived as the one cannot see one's self except by reflection
- which is one of the function of a teacher. That is to be, like a looking
- glass.
-
- >>: I would add that there is a fine line of difference between _control_ and
- : _influence_ and I rely entirely on the latter. I would not create a storm, I
- : would ask it to consider another course which would benifit it, and myself.
- : That is what I have learned from Zen.<<
-
- True. But how much more difficult is it to distinguish between the subtle
- and the gross? Is not influence as manipulative as control? In the face of a
- storm it is better to bend with its wind, but a storm does not listen to
- reason, because it has only one purpose. To spend itself.
-
-
- >>: I would ask for a clearer definition of 'power trip'...Is this the feeling
- : one gets from using power? Or is it more the false impression of using power?<<
-
- Nigris gave a good example in the quote you gave. It is a false presumption
- that one has in pretense of being omnipotent. Many people quote "Do as thou
- wilt" but few know what to really do to begin with.
-
-
- >>: I would not strive for more power, I still have not found the bounds of
- : what I have. I give of mine freely, and never run short. My power is only
- : limited by my limitations, and if I were to believe I would run out, surely
- : I would do so.
- :
- :
- : The greatest gift is self.<<
-
- Unfortunately, though this is very beautiful, and selfless, it is also
- urealistic. Each person comes into this world to learn something. Some
- however, need to pass through difficulties that no one can, no matter what
- power you freely transfer, assist them. The nature of humanity is to be
- ungrateful. We learn appreciation only through philosophical codes or
- integrety, which again is a learning process.
- There's the crux of the problem. An individual cannot learn unless they are
- capable to "see" for themselves.
- If you will to help, the only thing you can do is to inspire them to
- recognize or become aware of that which they seek but you cannot make them
- "see" what they would not want to see. to quote: You can take a horse to the
- water, but you cannot make them drink"
-
- Greater is the gift of knowledge. For through it we manifest wisdom for that
- is the only thing we can take with us when we die. And perhaps, that is the
- only reason we have incarnated to begin with.
-
- For what is it, that is the only thing one can keep when by death we pass
- to the land of silence?
-
- :
- >>: P.S. Thank you for the interesting and thought provoking discussion<<
-
- You're Welcome.
-
- Eshin-Fun
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