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- From: jds2@po.CWRU.Edu (John D. Specht)
- Subject: Re: Possible to Obtain magic powers>?
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- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 23:56:53 GMT
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- In a previous article, Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva) says:
-
- [Stuff I didn't want to comment on deleted in various places,
- whole lines only.]
- >Response:
- >
- >This is a prime example of such 'verbal diarrhea'. Those who complain
- >about self-centeredness, egotism, and eclecticism are often lost in
- >their own worlds without a central Mast to which they may attach their
- >Sail. Egotism is healthy. It is only the oppressed egotist who
- >engages violence. Confusion is often a very transformative state of
- >mind. While we may add to it by writing our words, perhaps we will find
- >that belittlement and put-downs only display our pain for all the world
- >to see.
- >
- A little ego, a little confusion, a little beginning. That's what I
- always felt. I would argue that reading one book is meaningless to study,
- and reading hundreds is a beginning. Once you try to explain a phenomenon
- to yourself in many ways at the same time, you begin to find useful
- confusion.
- >
- >Fun:
- >
- >If you are truly serious, then your greater task is to find a genuine
- >source, and few abound and those that are do not accept readily.
- >
- >
- >Response:
- >
- >All genuine sources accept us immediately. Any which do not are either
- >wisely cautious or foolishly imperial.
- >
- There is one very easy to find source which will provide all of the tools
- you need, and all of the lessons you shall learn: your own mind.
- >
- >Fun:
- >
- >There's an old saying about studying magic. When a student, on a clear day,
- >without clouds can of his own will conjure a thunderstorm and know that he
- >and only he was responsible, but tell no one about it and keep that
- >secret..then and only then has he really begun that road of a real magician.
- >
- >
- >Response:
- >
- >How lovely. Let's control Nature and see if we can love Her too! Get off
- >it! I've had enough of these misogynist ploys for the exhibition of
- >power! We'll try, we'll fail. That is the Way of Tao. Try to pull
- >a radish into tastiness and you shall pull up seeds. She does not
- >wear a leash and collar. When we attempt to apply these She bites quite
- >viciously. The iron is hot! Stand back!
- >
- I would add that there is a fine line of difference between _control_ and
- _influence_ and I rely entirely on the latter. I would not create a storm, I
- would ask it to consider another course which would benifit it, and myself.
- That is what I have learned from Zen.
- >
- >Fun:
- >
- >Power trips are very common. If you read any extant grimoirs you'll find
- >that in the pontifical tradition, an alliance to a religious format is
- >necessary.
- >
- >
- >Response:
- >
- >This is true. What is and is not a 'power trip' is not always easy to
- >see, however (until it's too late).
- >
- I would ask for a clearer definition of 'power trip'...Is this the feeling
- one gets from using power? Or is it more the false impression of using power?
- >
- >Fun:
- >
- >Now, is this possible? Yes. Can it be done? Yes. But it demands many things
- >of the individual particularly that which most people find it impossible to
- >do these days. Give of yourself!
- >
- >
- >Response:
- >
- >Power cannot be obtained except by force. Power-over is seized through
- >violence to others. Power-in is earned by leverage with demons.
- >
- >Those who give of themselves in response to such words will more often
- >than not find themselves spent and their energies used by unscrupulous
- >individuals. Give NOT of yourself to obtain power but power itself!
- >Those who give away their power will have it returned to them three-fold
- >in term of individual integrity, self-esteem, and a pure conscience.
-
- I would not strive for more power, I still have not found the bounds of
- what I have. I give of mine freely, and never run short. My power is only
- limited by my limitations, and if I were to believe I would run out, surely
- I would do so.
-
-
- The greatest gift is self.
-
- Yours in re-rebuke,
-
- Paul (lacking a mystical name of significance)
-
- P.S. Thank you for the interesting and thought provoking discussion.
- --
- jds2 John D. Specht (Heads I win; Tails you lose.) Virtual reality is life!
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