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- Subject: Re: Useless Bots
- Message-ID: <1992Jul26.020711.29624@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>
- From: asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...)
- Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 02:07:11 GMT
- References: <1992Jul20.145258.26554@aston.ac>uk> <1992Jul25.121950.4815@ms.uky.edu> <1992Jul25.195155.5861@news.cs.brandeis.edu>
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- oren@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Oren Kastner) was telling me...
- >Howdy,
- > It seems that there are some people out there how are opposed to others
- >setting up IRCbots for themselves. I'd like for someone to explain to me
- >*HOW* its any of their business?
-
- >Avalon: said that bots are a waste and should be killed on sight, as far as it
- > was his concern.
- >
- > Lesse, here... Whenever I've been on IRC and did a `/whois avalon' it
- > seems that he is always around -- but most of$the time `/away.' Thus,
- > it seems that avalon is on IRC *AS ]UCH* as any other Bot, if not
-
- Lots of times people put /aways on even though they are there, just to
- keep people from bothering them. (A la Trillian)
-
- > more. And usually, the bots serve more purpose -- more than likely.
- > In this case, should avalon be killed on sight, too? He's as much of
- > a waste of bandwidth as any bot that's out there. Heck, he probably
- > generates more traffic on an over all basis figuring that when he *IS*
- > actually there he /msg's and /traces all over the place, etc...
-
- The big difference here is the relevence of traffic he creates...he's a person
- He reads things, and sends things out. rots don't read anything, they
- don't send anything out that isn't preprogrammed into it.
- >
- >`Moose' (Michael Dinn?): said that he thinks bots to be a waste and as such he
- > took out the `-b' option in his site's public ircII client. I make the
- > assumption that its the site as if it wasn't that he needn't worry
- > about anyone using it. :-) So, I'd like to know how come he thinks it
- > so appropriate to inflict *HIS* opinion on his users -- does he call
-
- Well one thing if he's not the admin at his site he might not want to attract
- his attention. ircII is a CPU user, and IRCII script bots are pretty much
- wasting a WHOLE lot of CPU because they are running all the IRCII code just to
- use the ircII scripting language to make a bot. If people start using
- up CPU time for irc, then the admin might cut it off, and let people do
- =REAL= work on the machines.
-
- > To conclude I'd like to point out that as *I*'ve understood it, IRC is
- >under the GNU copyleft and was written with the spirit of ``freedom of
- >expression.'' To censor someone's expression by ``killing'' his/her creation
-
- Copyleft applies to code...not the people who use it. the ircnetwork isn't
- governed by GNU in any way...that's what the whole anarchy thing is about
- Down with the establishment! (Even though, w/o an establishment there is
- always a few people who basically take it's place)
-
- >seems pretty sick to me. Stop butting your noses into other people's business
- >and worry about how YOU lead your life (be it real or virtual existence). I'd
-
- Well it is a lot of their businesses because they run servers...they might
- not want all the traffic that bots create on there. 0Vanity channel op bots
- create a lot of mode traffic. And cause general problems for people.
-
-
-
- >hate to think that because of a few of you, someone would not have the pleasure
- >of learning something new -- be it writing/running/communicating with a
- >program. Personally, I've never written or have ``owned'' a bot -- but I
- >would never discourage someone from doing so if they were interested. I could
-
- If you've ever noticed very few people have written their OWN code...they
- just get code form other people to use...they aren't really learning it.
- Though I can say I did learn about the scripting language by writing my
- own, not everyone does. I found the script language limiting for any
- 'useful' sort of robot, so I wrote my own code.
-
- The biggest problem I see with most robots is that they are written with
- ircII scripts...thereby wasting a lot of resources...
-
- -Alex
-
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