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- From: daniel@nstn.ns.ca (Daniel MacKay)
- Subject: Re: index for all of gopherspace
- Message-ID: <1992Jul28.194722.19492@nstn.ns.ca>
- Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada
- References: <1992Jul27.163746.974@nstn.ns.ca> <1992Jul27.180509.27470@mercury.unt.edu> <1992Jul27.201122.17017@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
- Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:47:22 GMT
- Lines: 81
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- Hello!
-
- Billy Barron writes:
- > This could be done. Actually, I don't really care to make this a "user"
- > feature. It would involve some major coding and maybe a protocol change.
- > Just something us sysadmins use to figure out where we would like to place
- > links to.
-
- I certainly _was_ thinking of it as a user feature, and no, in my
- gedanken-design, it ran on existing gopher-ware. The components:
- - a wordy description of the resource for which your gopher is
- the authority, emailed to an administrator (hang on for an update
- of this idea), complete with a .link file to the resource.
- - those descriptions dropped into a directory on the master Index server
- and indexed.
- - A search item on all gophers, that sent a query to the master server.
- The master server would return pointers to the descriptions of the
- resources, which you could browse. (with a descriptor that possibly
- gave you "headline" info about the resource, or its physical/net
- location, if you care about such a thin). When you had find the one
- you want, you point-and-shoot at the accompanying resource menu item
- itself.
-
- Peter Deutsche writes:
- > While talking about indexing Gopherspace, the next release of archie
- > will allow gathering of arbitrary collections of information and ...
- > [...]
- > and we plan to put
- > in pointers to the various Gopher servers as a proof of concept.
-
- I was describing my idea to a visitor to my office, and he suggested
- exactly the same thing- there be a file with a well-known-name available on
- every gopher that is authoritative for some resource. This file would have
- a wordy and search-rich description of the resources, i.e. an abstract for
- the resource written in a way that it will be full of keywords that people
- are likely to use when they're looking for it. The one for the recipies
- database would have words like "recipies" "food" "cooking" (but would it
- contain an entry for "dessert" "entree"? Hmm.)
-
- Peter's, or someone's, robot could sweep through the gopher servers
- periodically, collect the files, and build the Index Into Gopherspace.
-
- My point: there are not *that* many things in gopherspace once you take
- out all the redundancy. If we only collect descriptions from people who
- are authoritative for their resource, the problem dwindles into something
- quite doable- think of how much smaller Peter's archie database would be if
- there was only one entry in it for every ftp'able resource!
-
- Anyway, it results in an entity that's like a couple of things:
- a) Peter's "whatis" project.
- b) My gopherizing of the SRI NISC List-of-Lists, available on the
- nstn.ns.ca gopher; check it out as
- Internet Resources
- Mail Lists
- Mail List Subject Search
-
- The important thing is that the *name* of something usually doesn't tell
- you much about it. So a robot indexing all the words of the menu items it
- finds in gopherspace is relatively useless. Someone carefully writing a
- description of their resource, keeping in mind the kind of keywords a user
- might use when looking for it, is *much* better. Yeah, writing it is work.
- But- garbage in, garbage out. If you're authoritative for a resource,
- presumably you should be able to take the time to describe the resource
- once.
-
- Peter continues:
- > Now, the missing link here seems to be a simple way to get the index
- > info out of Gopher.
- I don't think that's much of a problem. *The* thing that gopher's best at
- is delivering documents. And I think it's quite reasonable to have a
- Well-Known-Directory containing descriptions of the data for which that
- gopher is authoritative, (e.g. me and CA*Net news, Canadian Weather).
-
- On a related topic- Peter, does that mean that the archie data and the
- whatis data will be integrated? I had a complaint from a user the other
- day that my gopher/archie gateway didn't deliver whatis data, and I
- thought- right! Why doesn't it?
- --
- Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ns.ca
- NOC Manager, NSTN Operations Centre 902-494-NSTN
- Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
-