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- From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
- Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
- Subject: Re: six newsgroups banned at wilfrid laurier university
- Message-ID: <1992Jul27.111930.4670@aston.ac.uk>
- Date: 27 Jul 92 11:19:30 GMT
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- jboyce1@mamut.wlu.ca (jim boyce u) writes:
- :
- : The following article appeared in Laurier's student newspaper, The Cord, on
- : June 14, 1992.
- :
- :
- : Access to six newsgroups on Laurier's computing system has
- : been restricted until the Senate Committee on Computing Ethics
- : can meet and discuss their controversial content. All six were
- : from the alt.sex hierarchy, a collection of groups that deals
- : with topics ranging from bondage and bestiality to recovery from
- : sexual abuse and a general discussion on sex. WLU President John
- : Weir said he made the decision because, "in my opinion, and in
- : the opinions of others, the material was offensive."
- If that is the reason why restrict it to 6?
- If this was applied across the board then only the purely technical
- groups would still exist.
- Though some of these might be threatend
- hyperthetical argument: "I don't like apple, IMHO anything to do with apple
- products is promoting apple and is thus offensive" (goodbye comp.sys.apple.*
- comp.sys.mac.*)
- : Newsgroups first began arriving at Laurier two months ago
- : when the university started to switch from the "unix" computer
- : system to the faster, "sequent" system. They enter through a
- : computer network called ONET via the University of Waterloo, and
- : include messages and information from computer users all over the
- : world.
- : While there are more than a thousand newsgroups available,
- (nearer 2000)
- : it is a handful which are raising moral and legal questions at
- : several Canadian universities. Most of these are in the alt.sex
- : hierarchy which are among the most popular newsgroups.
- Maybe because alternative sources of obtaining information on these
- subjects are difficult to obtain, incomplete or out of date
- : In May, the alt.sex hierarchy and several other groups were
- What were these other groups??
- : banned at the University of Manitoba after a student sent some
- : prinouts from alt.sex to a reporter at The Winnipeg Free Press.
- He did (of course) comply with any copyright notices on the articles
- in question.
- : On July 2, The Kitchener-Waterloo Record ran a front page
- : story about computer pornography at the University of Waterloo.
- : It was reported that the newspaper had received newsgroup stories
- It did, of course, check that these stories did come from netnews
- and were not simply manufactured by the (anonymous) individual.
- : and pictures anonymously, including, "a photograph of an almost
- : nude woman hanging by her neck from a rope on a hook. Her mouth
- (translation: woman wearing sufficent clothing to concel a flying harness)
- : is open as if screaming." The Waterloo Regional Police Department
- : was quoted as saying no investigation would be undertaken unless
- : campus police requested help. The University of Waterloo, which
- : banned the alt.sex hierarchy for several months in 1990, plans no
- : investigation either unless a complaint about the material is
- : received.
- Odd that they have taken action without investigation...
-
- : A week later, the Cord interviewed Langford, Ellsworth and
- : Hart Bezner, Director of Computing Services. Bezner said he was
- : "stunned by even the suggestion that people would be keeping it
- : [alt.sex] out", and attributed the unavailablility of alt.sex to
- : problems within the system.
- : Bezner typified the content of alt.sex as "puerile" and said
- : that he could not understand why students would be interested in
- : reading "bondage" groups. He added that the situation would have
- : to be considered in regards to the university switching over to
- : the new computer system: "It's a matter of priorities, putting
- : sex groups on is not as important as compilers... it's just like
- : walking up to a half-finished apartment and asking why the
- : bathroom isn't finished... we just haven't got around to it yet."
- : Later, Bezner said the Cord interview "turned on our
- : interest" and he decided to do something about the material in
- : the alt.sex groups. He took one hundred pages of output from one
- : of the groups to Don Baker, Vice-President Academic: "it was my
- : personal decision... I looked at it and said to myself, `I don't
- : want to be held legally responsible for that, let those guys [the
- : administration] investigate the legalities of it'."
- Hold on, here he took 100 pages of a newsgroup which wasn't getting through..
- This sounds somewhat odd.
- Where did HE get it from.
- : On June 26, one of the newsgroups was restricted, and on
- : July 2, another five met a similar fate. All six were from the
- : alt.sex hierarchy, according to Ramji (Bezner referred us to her
- : because he was not sure which of the groups were restricted).
- : They included: alt.sex.bondage, bestiality, motss (members of the
- : same sex), movies, pictures.d (a subgroup that discusses
- : pictures), pictures.misc, and wizards (a less tame version of the
- : generic alt.sex group).
- : Don Baker said that the solution was "short term". He said
- : that there were policies on language use at Laurier and laws on
- : such issues as hate literature, and that while the university
- : should try to be as liberal as possible, "we're mindful of the
- : fact that language has consequences, and to the extent that they
- : can be discriminatory or demeaning, we should have some concern."
- I don't understand the connection to the 'hate literature'...
- that argument would appear to be more in tune with a newsgroup
- representing a political viewpoint or party.
- : John Weir said that the decision was based on how offensive
- : the material was and not any legal implications. He did not think
- : the decision compromised the university in any way and said, "I
- : think one has to always make judgement about the need to judge
- : things as being offensive versus the right people claim to have
- : to read anything they want to read... we could have, I suppose,
- : allowed the thing to run and gave it to the committee as a
- : problem such as that. We chose not to do that. We felt that we
- : would prefer to have it off-line during the interim rather than
- : on-line."
- Sounds like the 'I don't like it...' argument.
- Of course keeping the material off-line would make it more difficult to
- mount a defence.
- : Ruby Ramji disagrees with the judgement and, until the
- : Senate Committee makes a decision, will have to access alt.sex at
- : the University of Waterloo. She said that the newsgroups have
- : educational content and discuss issues such as sexual hangups and
- : relationships, and provide information on AIDS and other sexual
- : diseases. They also have an academic purpose: "I was doing a
- : study on alt.sex and I couldn't get access to it and I needed it
- : as a primary source... I feel they [the administration] are
- : hindering the flow of information into an academic institution
- : that's supposed to uphold the freedom of information."
- This raises the interesting question...
- Do censors actually read what they wish to censor?
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