Transcription: I met Chen Chen at the New York Film Festival. He was doing a demonstration of his CD-ROM and he'd won a contest that Voyager sponsored. So all the contest winners come to the New York Film Festival. And it was weird to see CD-ROMs shown in that kind of situation. Now people are very used to seeing all kinds of video pieces and computer-generated pieces, but not so much seeing file edit menu up there and somebody's like down trying to like, how's that? I don't know. It was clumsy, which I liked about it. And I like the early phases of stuff when it looks like it doesn't quite work.
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