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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:24 1996
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From: Jeff.Towle%1:2619/211.9 (Jeff Towle%1:2619/211.9)
Date: 03 Sep 96 07:23:40
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: KaGold
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To: Jeff Towle%1:2619/211.9%12:320/100.666
From: [e-mail] (Jeff Towle)
Subject: Re: KaGold
Organization: The Microsoft Network (msn.com)

Hi Paul,

Kevin posted this message a week ago (August 26), and has already
contacted "[e-mail]" and been sent back a new user ID
for the G0UZJ callsign. No doubt you posted the copy of Kevin's
message by mistake, as it had no additional comments. I'm using MSN
to browse the newsgroups, and it doesn't seem to have a convenient
way to include the original message in the response except when using
the "exchange" portion (e-mail vs. newsgroup postings).

Hope all is well with the DSP-2232 and dspGOLD.

Is there much activity any longer on Compuserve? I notice that Norm,
W2JUP, is taking over the AEA questions, and that AEA has left CIS to
do all of their support via e-mail and web-page news. We've dropped
out of CIS as well, it seems to have been taken over by the web
interest. You can't send me messages on CIS, but but you can send to
me direct to "[e-mail]" if you wish.

73 --

Jeff, WA4EGT
InterFlex Systems






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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:25 1996
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From: Hank Oredson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: PLL Radio for 9600 baud packet?
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 10:01:55 -0800
Organization: Library Products Group
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Christopher K. Greenhalgh wrote:
>
> In article <50k8jo$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dana Myers) w
rites:
>
> >You did say your TM-451A operates "flawlessly" at 9600 baud.  Most
> >normal people would interpret that as something better than "good".
>
> With the supplied TXD information (250ms), it does work flawlessly from
> a working standpoint.

We have several 451s in our packet network.
We are replacing them with other radios (TEKK or D4-10)
just as quickly as we can.

Why?

Under the very BEST operating conditions, the 451 can be
made to run at a TXD of about 125 Ms.
This is WAY too slow.

We run the TEKKs and D4-10s at txd of 50-60 on good links,
80 on bad (i.e. long haul) links, and think that THESE
values of TXD are way too slow ...

The 451 just does not work very well at 9600 ...

"Flawlessly" is certainly not a term one might ever apply
to 9600 baud operation of any PLL radio I've encountered.

The good news is that you can purchase a couple or three
TEKKs for the money you get when you sell the 451 ...


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:26 1996
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From: Mike Murphree <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: PLL Radio for 9600 baud packet?
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 10:21:19 -0400
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Christopher K. Greenhalgh wrote:

> >As has been clearly established, a TXD of 250mS makes a radio
> >unsuitable for 9600 baud packet use, not to mention the
> >potential for interference to other channels as the PLL
> >settles down.
>
> "Clearly established"? By who?

By almost anyone that's used 9600 bps effectively...
You can send 2400 bits of data in 250 mS, that's 300 bytes of
information. That's a lot of wasted bandwidth if you can't get
your radio to key up (and recover) any faster than that.
You really need to be down to at least 30-60 mS if possible.

<meaningless finger-pointing eradicated>

It's cheaper to just buy $100 Tekks and not have the problem
anyway...  Even with an external amplifier, you can still get
sub 100 mS performance.

73
Mike N4CNW


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:27 1996
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From: Hank Oredson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: PLL Radio for 9600 baud packet?
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 10:03:20 -0800
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Christopher K. Greenhalgh wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rob Janssen) wr
ites:
>
> >It only IS 9600 baud ready in YOUR opinion, and possibly Kenwood's.
>
> [subtle insults snipped]
>
> No Rob...thats a fact. Want to come over to my house? It spewing data
> as we speak at 9.6k.

With a TXD of 1.4 second, "spewing" is probably EXACTLY the right word!


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:28 1996
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From: [e-mail] (David Tse)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: TEKK Radios
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 10:29:54 GMT
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[e-mail] (Christoph Nadig) wrote:

>Hi,

>I'm looking for people using TEKK-900 or TEKK-960 radios. Please write
>me you experiences!

I am interested in this but need more power.  How can I do this?  I
know about the Motorola Mitrek but it is too big to fit in my car.  I
intend to try mobile (not in motion, I was told, will be bad :).  I
worry about the TX/RX switch over time being screwed up by the power
amp.

>Thankx, Chris


>--
>--
>[e-mail]

  ----
  In real life: David Tse    In ham radio: VE7MDT
  Primary e-mail: [e-mail]
  Alternative e-mail: [e-mail], [e-mail]
  ----



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:28 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Victor V Voronkov)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: TEKK Radios
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Date: 6 Sep 1996 12:52:21 GMT
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David Tse ([e-mail]) wrote:
> [e-mail] (Christoph Nadig) wrote:

> >Hi,

> >I'm looking for people using TEKK-900 or TEKK-960 radios. Please write
> >me you experiences!

> I am interested in this but need more power.  How can I do this?  I
> know about the Motorola Mitrek but it is too big to fit in my car.  I
> intend to try mobile (not in motion, I was told, will be bad :).  I
> worry about the TX/RX switch over time being screwed up by the power
> amp.

> >Thankx, Chris

TEKK KS-1000 is 5W radio, but seems also not enough power for using in car.

73! Victor




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:31 1996
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From: "Ron Curry" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: TEKK Radios
Date: 6 Sep 1996 15:01:22 GMT
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Use a Mirage D15 amp. Provide about 15 watts out for 3-5 in. Has PIN diode
T/R switching. Two of these back to back with the Tekk gets us a 30ms TXD.
--
Ron Curry
KE6WED
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

David Tse <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<50orm1$[e-mail]>...
> [e-mail] (Christoph Nadig) wrote:
>
> >Hi,
>
> >I'm looking for people using TEKK-900 or TEKK-960 radios. Please write
> >me you experiences!
>
> I am interested in this but need more power.  How can I do this?  I
> know about the Motorola Mitrek but it is too big to fit in my car.  I
> intend to try mobile (not in motion, I was told, will be bad :).  I
> worry about the TX/RX switch over time being screwed up by the power
> amp.
>
> >Thankx, Chris
>
>
> >--
> >--
> >[e-mail]
>
>   ----
>   In real life: David Tse    In ham radio: VE7MDT
>   Primary e-mail: [e-mail]
>   Alternative e-mail: [e-mail], [e-mail]
>   ----
>
>


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:31 1996
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From: Gabe Nemeth <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: HELP:Baycom Web Page
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 17:03:47 -0400
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I am in the process of trying to purchase the BAYCOM 1.6 software
(because I have a BP-9600).  However the BAYCOM web page seems dead?

Could someone please try http://www.baycom.de and let me know.
Better yet if the BAYCOM 1.6 is shareware let me know. I'll report back
with a complete report on the BAYCOM Parallel Port 9.6 Kbps modem
working with the MFJ data radio.
Cheers and thanks,
Gabe VE3SLJ


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:32 1996
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From: Thomas Sailer <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: HELP:Baycom Web Page
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 12:02:10 +0200
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The Baycom Kernel is not supported any longer. However it can be
replaced by the PC/FlexNet kernel, as Flori DL8MBT has ported
the baycom terminal (bct) and the baycom mailbox (bcm) to
the PC/FlexNet kernel. PC/FlexNet is much more flexible since
it allows many different hardware setups.
Check out http://home.pages.de/~flexnet

Tom
--
Thomas (Tom) Sailer                    EMail: [e-mail]
Weinbergstrasse 76                     Ham Radio: hb9jnx @ hb9w.che.eu
CH-8408 Winterthur                     Phone: ++41 52 222 32 81


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Boyer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: HELP:Baycom Web Page
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Gabe Nemeth ([e-mail]) writes:
> I am in the process of trying to purchase the BAYCOM 1.6 software
> (because I have a BP-9600).  However the BAYCOM web page seems dead?
>
> Could someone please try http://www.baycom.de and let me know.
> Better yet if the BAYCOM 1.6 is shareware let me know. I'll report back
> with a complete report on the BAYCOM Parallel Port 9.6 Kbps modem
> working with the MFJ data radio.
> Cheers and thanks,
> Gabe VE3SLJ


HI Gabe

I tried the Tigertronics page and didn't get any luck there either.

I will try the Baypac one but who knows?

73

--
Mark J.  Boyer VE3MJB   [e-mail]
                        [e-mail]

If diamonds are a girls best friend, then gravity must be her worst enemy!


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:34 1996
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From: Gabe Nemeth <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Baycom Web Site
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 16:44:50 -0400
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I'll try this again mt last message dissapeared?
I'm interested in purchasing baycom 1.6 software and the web
site in barvaria(?) does not respond. Could someone please try the
baycom PACKET web site at:  HTTP://www.baycom.de/
The error I get is:
System call `connect' failed: Network is unreachable.

I've tried different PCs and providers.
Thanks in advance, Gabe VE3SLJ


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From: "Mary Ellen Powers" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Yaesu 736 6mtr module Q?
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All,

Does anyone know how much power the 6 meter module for a yaese 736 puts
out.  I have one, brand new, and I can't seem to get any more that about 3
watts our of it.  Is this correct???

Thanks,
Alan Adamson


ps. please email to [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:36 1996
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From: [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt )
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In <01bb9b94$9981b420$[e-mail]> "Mary Ellen
Powers" <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>All,
>
>Does anyone know how much power the 6 meter module for a yaese 736
puts
>out.  I have one, brand new, and I can't seem to get any more that
about 3
>watts our of it.  Is this correct???
>
>Thanks,
>Alan Adamson
>
>
>ps. please email to [e-mail]
>

You should get about 10 watts out of the 6 meter module. I have the
service manual if you need any data.

                                73 Jerry



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: HostMaster-MAC
Date: 6 Sep 1996 17:02:52 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
John Day <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Hostmaster/Mac v2.3b works "okay" also is probably the last one Kantronics
>>will have unless they hire a new guy who speaks Macintosh - the factory
>>tech support line told me (about a month ago) that the last guy quit!
>
>The support guy who knew all about Mac's may have gone, but he didn't write t
he
>software!
>
>73's John Day VK3ZJF
>Melbourne, Australia
>
If by that, you mean Hostmaster looks like the author didn't
"know all about Macs", then I agree.  Hostmaster is better than
some others I have seen, but when it comes to Macintosh, I've
NEVER EVER seen any amateur radio packet software that even begins
to use the power of a Macintosh.  It all looks to me like DOS living
in a Mac window.  If you haven't used a recent vintage Mac with REAL
Macintosh application software, then you haven't SEEN a Mac yet.
Sure wish I was smart enough to write some of for packet.

-John, AC6VV


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:38 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jeff Towle)
Subject: RE: Need help on decode digital signals on HF, and if possible others freq's also
Date: 6 Sep 96 14:04:08 -0700
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Miguel,

The simplest way to decode non-voice signals is with a TNC (terminal
node controller). Many SWLers use KAMs (we sell KaGOLD, software for
the KAM, and have a number of SWL users). You will also find PK-232s
in use, as well as MFJ tncs. I would suggest the KAM based on
features and price.

There are MANY encrypted transmissions on HF bands that you cannot
decode, which is discouraging for those who get a TNC and try tuning
whatever they hear. I would suggest starting with amateur
transmissions.

1. Tune in the ARRL "teleprinter" bulletins. If you can access the
web, try http://www.arrl.org/w1aw.html for a list of times and
frequencies.

You will see that bulletins are sent simultaneously on several
frequencies: 3.625, 7.095, 14.095, 18.1025, 21.095, 28.095 MHz.

Bulletins are first sent using 45-baud Baudot. Then they are
retransmitted in FEC AMTOR, and if the messages are not too long,
you'll hear them being sent using 110-baud ASCII.

2. Tune in the ARRL "morse code" bulletins, code practice, and
qualifying runs. These are sent on  1.818, 3.5815, 7.0475, 14.0475,
18.0975, 21.0675, 28.0675 Mhz at different speeds, depending on what
is being sent (code practice, qualifying runs, or bulletins).

Once you get the idea how to decode and print the ARRL transmissions,
you can start monitoring the amateur bands for other digital
transmissions.

The amateur "band plan" can be reviewed if you can browse the web.
Try  http://www.arrl.org/field/regulations/allocate.html

Also try:   http://www.interflex.com  (web page for KaGOLD/PkGOLD)
and try:    http://www.kantronics.com (KAM tnc manufacturer)

There are many other amateur radio resources on the net.

Have fun,

Jeff, WA4EGT
InterFlex Systems


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From: [e-mail] (William J. Wojnar, Jr.)
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remove ham-digital
delete ham-digital


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:40 1996
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Date: 04 Sep 96 18:04:00
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From: PY2RN <[e-mail]>
Subject: FT5200 9600??
Organization: SP-GW.AMPR.ORG

Hi,

If you know how to make the Yaesu Ft-5200 operational on packet
at 9600bps (Where do I connect the tx/rx wires) could you please
send it to me?

Thank you.

Ed, PY2RN

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (History67)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Need Terminal Emulation Software for TRS_80 Mod III
Date: 7 Sep 1996 08:51:10 -0400
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I'm setting up a packet station on 2 Meters and will be using a trash80
but I cannot find any software that will support a tnc,  can anyone help?
Radio Shack has no software for this task even though they are THE SHACK
and sold this line, sseveral remarketing companies as well no longer
handel this stuff.   Thanks

Sean N1WSC
[e-mail]

It is never too late to become what you might have been


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:42 1996
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From: Brian and Sam Bradshaw <[e-mail]>
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Subject: MFJ pre-made TNC cables
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 22:07:09 -0700
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Hello... I'de just like to make a suggestion about all you wanna-be
packeteers like me... if they're all like mine, DON'T BUY AN MFJ
READY-MADE cable, unless you want to do some SERIOUS re-wireing... I'm
really getting fed up, and I've heard I'm not the first. none of the
wires were connected right... If anyone has an address for MFJ
complaints, I want it... e-mail or snail mail... I'de of been better off
building my own!!! at least I'de of know what color wire was what.

P.S.- anyone know the wiring for this??? I'm still trying to get it up
and running.


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From: [e-mail] (gloria medcalf)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: MFJ pre-made TNC cables
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 14:37:41 -0600
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

> Hello... I'de just like to make a suggestion about all you wanna-be
> packeteers like me... if they're all like mine, DON'T BUY AN MFJ
> READY-MADE cable, unless you want to do some SERIOUS re-wireing... I'm
> really getting fed up, and I've heard I'm not the first. none of the
> wires were connected right... If anyone has an address for MFJ
> complaints, I want it... e-mail or snail mail... I'de of been better off
> building my own!!! at least I'de of know what color wire was what.
>
> P.S.- anyone know the wiring for this??? I'm still trying to get it up
> and running.

This message doesn't mention which wiring you need.
There is a web site with many diagrams for wiring radios to TNCs.

http://prairie.lakes.com/~medcalf/ztx/wire/

73 gloria ka5ztx



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:43 1996
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From: "David M. Kaye" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: MFJ pre-made TNC cables
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I have bought two of the MFJ pre-wired radio to TNC cables and have had no
problems.  One was for a Kenwood HT and another was for a Yaesu HT.  As I
said I have had no problems with either.  Just my 2 cents.  73
--
Dave, N2SJH ([e-mail])

  "Imagine all the people living life in peace"
                                                      -John Lennon

Brian and Sam Bradshaw <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> Hello... I'de just like to make a suggestion about all you wanna-be
> packeteers like me... if they're all like mine, DON'T BUY AN MFJ
> READY-MADE cable, unless you want to do some SERIOUS re-wireing... I'm
> really getting fed up, and I've heard I'm not the first. none of the
> wires were connected right... If anyone has an address for MFJ
> complaints, I want it... e-mail or snail mail... I'de of been better off
> building my own!!! at least I'de of know what color wire was what.
>
> P.S.- anyone know the wiring for this??? I'm still trying to get it up
> and running.
>


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:45 1996
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From: Doug <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Wiring?
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 07:05:41 -0700
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Brian and Sam Bradshaw wrote:
>
> Hi... I'm trying to wire up a TNC-radio connecter to my PacComm
> Micropower 2 TNC. for those of you that don't know, it's the 9600 baud
> version of the TINY-2.
>
> I have a couple questions...
>
> 1: does pin 2(ground) hook up to the Tx or Rx plug for an Icom 02AT?

        Hook it up to the shield of the speaker plug the (3.5 mm plug)

> 2: do I need to put any resistors or capacitors in line with the mic.
> plug?

        Yep, place a 3.9k resistor on the ptt line from the tnc and a 0.1 uf
capacitor on the        audio line from the tnc. then tie the other legs of
the cap & resistor to the center pin    on the 2.5 mm mic plug. You do not
need to use the shield of the mic plug.

> 3: would the mic/speaker plugs need to be stereo or mono plugs?

        both plugs are mono speaker is 3.5mm and mic is 2.5mm

This info I gave you is for using the ic02at on 1200 baud packet...
Remember that for 9600 baud you need to connect to the discriminator...

I have never seen of anyone using a ht for 9600 baud and I would not
attempt it myself, I am sure it would end up to be a major headache!


73.... Doug
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From: KD1YV <[e-mail]>
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THE WESTERN CONNECTICUT HAMFEST
Sponsored by the Candlewood Amateur Radio Association

Just 14 miles from the NY/CT State line!

Sunday, Sept. 15, 1996                      0900-1400
Edmond Town Hall                 Route 6, Newtown, CT
Tables inside                      Tailgating outside
ARRL Sanctioned                    Handicapped Access
Door Prizes                             Ample Parking
Gourmet Fare                            Rain or shine

Talk-in 147.12/.72 PL 141.3

General admission $4.00 at the door (what a deal!)

Tailgating $6.00, inside table reservations $10.00 each, (both
include 1 admission), mail to:
Candlewood Amateur Radio Association, PO BOX 3441, Danbury CT 06813

For more info, phone [phone] or [phone].

Hope to see you all there.
73 de KD1YV
Jim


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:47 1996
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Subject: oop's re window packet software
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oop's gave a big boo-boo  on suggesting the use
of kawin as the fellow asking about it said he had
a aea tnc. sorry but kawin is for kantronics tnc's
sorry
we8w



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From: Bob Winingham <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: New GPS for APRS, Suggestions
Date: 8 Sep 1996 18:11:23 GMT
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Look at the Garmin-45 which just got replaced by the Garmin-45XL
(Just don't go over 99Kts IE 105 MPH or above 60,000 Ft.)

Cost at West marine should be about $150-$180




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Mileshosky, N5ZGT)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: New GPS for APRS, Suggestions
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[e-mail] (J. Miner) wrote:

>Hello,

>I would like to buy a new GPS unit for APRS.  I would like to be able to use
>it as a handheld unit for when I travel.  Also like it to be around $250 or
>less dollar range and if possible tell me where it can be purchased.  Any hel
p
>appreciated.

>73 de Jon N2XFZ

Hi Jon,
  Buy either a Garmin 45 or a Garmin 45XL (the same as the 45, but
with a few more bells and whistles). I got my 45 for $280 and have had
no problems with it! I love it! I have ehard good things from people
who do have them, and from people who do NOT have them.
  Search the web for more info by using "Garmin" in a search engine.
73,
Brian, N5ZGT


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     JASM - Troop 41           Author of Worldradio's "Youth Forum" Column
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Patty Winter)
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Subject: Sysop of N0ARY gateway?
Date: 8 Sep 1996 23:01:36 -0700
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I've heard that the N0ARY PBBS and Internet gateway is now
being run by some committee instead of Bob himself. (He
certainly deserves a break after all his hard work!)

Does anyone know how I can contact the sysops? I need to have my
gateway information changed ASAP. (They aren't fields that I can
change myself.) The machine they're currently forwarding packet
messages to and accepting mail from is going away in a couple of
weeks. I've tried every "HELP" and "INFO" query I could think
of on the PBBS itself, with no luck finding whom to contact for
administrative requests.


Thanks/73,

Patty

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:50 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Why not a Baypac...
Date: 5 Sep 1996 13:08:11 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
-state.edu (Christopher K. Greenhalgh) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>Can anyone who has used both or knows quite a bit about this stuff
>>tell me what I dont get with a BayPac BP-2M.  It is tiny, uses no
>>external power source, has lots of features and costs only 70 bucks.
>fact, a computer is not even required to interface with a TNC...a dumb termin
al
>will work just fine too.

and that means you're not tied to any specific computer or software. if your
PC dies and you have an Apple II with a superserial card in the closet, you ca
n
still be on the air...if you get a new computer or there's a flop over in "com
mon
processors" (like next week everyone goes out and uses a nintendo 64 or sony
playstation or sega saturn as their new machine...), odds are it'll still have
 a
way to get to a serial port, with some sort of VT-100 like terminal emulator.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (David Wei)
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Subject: Re: GLONASS???
Date: 3 Sep 1996 22:20:24 GMT
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In message <1996Sep3.102551.625@main03> - [e-mail] (Joe Landis)3 Sep 96
10:25:51 EST writes:
:>> navgiation, unless of course you want to spend extra $$$ for some special
:>> technique for improving the accuracy.....
:>
:>Hmm, plenty good enough for me...

A simple application that's requiring better signal is CAR.....

:>try www.altavista.digital.com - I think thats the url.

Thanks

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In <1996Sep3.102551.625@main03>, [e-mail] (Joe Landis) writes:
>In article <50a2ca$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Wei) writes:
>> US government encrypted the GPS signal for special purpose use, and the
>> civilian signal is far from GOOD for anything that's precise enough for goo
d
>> navgiation, unless of course you want to spend extra $$$ for some special
>> technique for improving the accuracy.....
>
>Hmm, plenty good enough for me...

not good enough to land aircraft yet..

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Glenn Thomas)
Subject: Re: GLONASS???
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My newsreader claims that Bill Newkirk ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In <1996Sep3.102551.625@main03>, [e-mail] (Joe Landis) writes:
: >In article <50a2ca$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Wei) write
s:
: >> US government encrypted the GPS signal for special purpose use, and the
: >> civilian signal is far from GOOD for anything that's precise enough for g
ood
: >> navgiation, unless of course you want to spend extra $$$ for some special
: >> technique for improving the accuracy.....
: >
: >Hmm, plenty good enough for me...

: not good enough to land aircraft yet..

: Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
: Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
: Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
: Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.

hmmm.. DGPS has precision in the centimeter range and accuracy ~1'
You can land a plane with that! What's the problem?

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael B. Laing)
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Subject: Re: GLONASS???
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On 9 Sep 1996 06:00:30 GMT, [e-mail] (David Wei) wrote:

>In message <[e-mail]> - [e-mail] (Glenn Thomas)
>writes:
>:>: >Hmm, plenty good enough for me...
>:>
>:>: not good enough to land aircraft yet..
>:>
>:>hmmm.. DGPS has precision in the centimeter range and accuracy ~1'
>:>You can land a plane with that! What's the problem?
>
>THAT COSTS! GLONASS don't have encrypted code, thus don't need the expensive
>equiptment like DGPS.

GLONASS is just a shade more accurate then the military version of
GPS, about 10 meters, which I don't think is accurate enought to land
airplanes with anyway.  Leastwise I wouldn't want my pilot to land the

plane 30 feet above the ground!

Mike Laing
K4UNY


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael B. Laing
) writes:

>GLONASS is just a shade more accurate then the military version of
>GPS, about 10 meters, which I don't think is accurate enought to land
>airplanes with anyway.  Leastwise I wouldn't want my pilot to land the

>plane 30 feet above the ground!

Satellite-based positioning systems are never accurate for height
measurements.  For one, they need a lot of satellites in view for
an accurate height fix, but a worse problem is that the height is
in reference to a standard surface, not the real ground level.  So
you will always need additional information to know your height above the
ground.

It seems safer to use a radar for this purpose...

Rob
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:56 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ricky Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: ACARS Recieving
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 05:29:13 GMT
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Hello All
I would like to know a little more about ACARS Monitoring. Specifically HF
ACARS and if the KAM will support it.  I did a search on HOTBOT and LYCOS, but
didnt come up with much usefull.  Is it a packet mode (or at least a data mode
of some type).   Thanks in advance.
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (David Wei)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: RC control???
Date: 5 Sep 1996 17:36:05 GMT
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Hello there,

I would like to know if there are any projects to make a simple remote control
using digital transmission? (yeah, this is just to keep it on topic, if you
know of an analog one, tell me too.. :) )

And no, I'm not asking about using high speed RF modem for an RC chopper....
:)

===========================================================
David Wei              E-Mail Address: [e-mail]
                                       [e-mail]

Running under am486DX4-120 with the POWER of OS/2 Warp.
========================Team  OS/2=========================
F-22's note to fighters on the "other" side:
You can hide, but you can't run.... :)
===========================================================



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:58 1996
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From: David Gan <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: 512K x 8 SRAM for KPC-3, who has 'em?
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 10:24:21 -0700
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Douglas M. Pervine wrote:
>
> On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 02:36:37 GMT, [e-mail] (Don Brooks) wrote:
>
> >I sure would like to upgrade the memory in my KPC-3 to 512K, but I
> >have not had much luck finding the IC.  I have found the 128K x 8
> >several places, but I really would rather go with 512K.  If anyone
> >knows where I could buy such an animal, I sure would like to hear from
> >them.
> >
> >Thanks guys!
> >
> First of all...  The chip is expensive..  It's $110.00..  The KPC-3 'REALLY'
> doesn't need the 512K chip..  Trust me..    But if you want to try..  You ca
n
> find them at Arrow Electronics..  I got mine from the CT office..  I don't h
ave
> the phone number or anything..  I am in the process of moving and have
> everything packed..  If you need more information..  E-Mail me at
> [e-mail]
>
> Have a Nice Day!
>
> --73

You can find the 512k chip at JDR Electronics for about 40-$50 bucks.
I got the 128k chip there.

--73s


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:35:59 1996
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From: "Don L. Miller" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Ventura County ARES RACES Area 6 Online Packet Radio Training Course
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 15:06:35 -0700
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We, the Ventura County ARES Area 6 Packet Radio Training Group have
created a download-able version of our manual on the World Wide Web.

We hope you enjoy the manual as much as we have enjoyed putting it
together, and please feel free to pass it along to all interested in
packet radio.  It is our intention to make this material available to
anyone who desires to have it.  You may freely make copies and
distribute
it, hold classes using it, modify it and train from it, etc.

We are giving this freely to the ham community to promote the free
exchange of information and fellowship among hams.  We hope you also see
fit to pass it on in the same spirit.  You will find it at:

     http://www.fishnet.net/~dlmiller/packet.html

This is an HTML version of the hard copy reference manual which we use
in
our Packet Radio Training Course.

For questions and/or comments about this web page or the class which we
teach, please send a message to one of the following:

     PACKET RADIO                        INTERNET e-mail
     ------------------------------      -----------------
     n6zuf@n6ahi.#soca.ca.usa.noam       [e-mail]

     ko6ne@n6ahi.#soca.ca.usa.noam       [e-mail]

     kd6qoh@n6ahi.#soca.ca.usa.noam      [e-mail]

     n6ahi@n6ahi.#soca.ca.usa.noam

73
de

--
Don L. Miller
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:36:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (C. T. Nadovich)
Subject: Re: Ten (10) Good reasons to use Linux
Sender: [e-mail] (news)
Organization: The KD3BJ Usenet BBS
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (R.M. (
Dick) Kriss) writes:
>>Sorry, I can't think of one reason; however, the network people
>>here feel it better than NOS, JNOS or TNOS. Can someone  provide
>>ten 'good' reasons to change?

>The first 10 reasons I can think of off the top of my head are
>that it is a real operating system. :-)

>It is a true premptive multitasking multiuser operating system with
>kernel support for TCP/IP and AX25 built in. It treats AX25 as just
>another link level driver, like its ethernet driver or its ppp driver.
>And it offers full TCP/IP routing, including DNS, and recent releases
>have a nice windowed administration system for configuring the network
>and router. Any TCP/IP sockets aware application can use the operating
>system services to send and receive packets, and any number of such
>applications can do so at the same time (up to the limits of the virtual
>memory swap space anyway).


[...snip...]

C'mon! Tell us how you really feel.

--
73 de KD3BJ SK ..                              http://www.jtan.com/chris
[phone] (voice)                        [phone] (data)


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:36:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Allan Risk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Can old PK-232 (no MBX and 1988 firmware) be upgraded
Date: 10 Sep 1996 02:32:17 GMT
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I have an older model pk-232.  Does anyone have any information on bringing it

up to date or even if it is possible.


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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:36:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can old PK-232 (no MBX and 1988 firmware) be upgraded
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Allan Risk ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I have an older model pk-232.  Does anyone have any information on
: bringing it up to date or even if it is possible.
: --

Allan,

I also have a 1988 PK-232 which I first upgraded to an MBX in 1991 and this
year I bought the latest upgrade which includes PACTOR and GPS functions.

It should cost you about $ US 75+tax.

Hope this helps,

Gilbert VE6GES.


--
                 [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:36:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tapio Sokura)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Opinions about KPC-9612?
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Hi, I'd like to hear any opinions and experiences about KPC-9612 and other
similar dual port TNC's.

    73's de Tapio

---
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:36:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Donald Fairchild)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Swap MEET, Hudsonville, MI
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Keywords: swap amateur sale buy computer

    THE GRAND RAPIDS AMATEUR RADIO ASSOCIATION
                    Presents
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                 SUPER SWAP '96
            Saturday, Sept. 28, 1996
  At Unity Cristian High School in Hudsonville, MI

    Seller setup at 6AM, General entry at 8AM.

 Buy and sell new and used Amateur and Computer
 equipment and Software. Pick up that bargain
 you have been waiting for. Sell or trade that
 equipment that is just laying around the shack.

 Tickets are $4 in advance 5$ at the door. Tables
 are $8 each. Make sure to reserve yours, they are
 selling fast.

 Directions: Unity Christian High School is located at
3487 Oak St. in Hudsonville, MI. From M-21 (Chicago Dr.)
Head north at 32nd Ave, Turn left to Oak St.  From
I-196, use Exit 62 at 32nd Ave, Go 1.4 Miles to Oak St.
and turn left to the school.

Talk In 147.260 & 444.4 CTCSS 94.8 The W8DC Repeater

For advance tickets or table reservation contact,
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:36:04 1996
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From: Jan Galicia <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: PDXBulletin Release 4
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 19:23:33 +0000
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Hello all,

I'm the Webmaster for Danny ON4VT who is publishing the
Picture DX Bulletin (SSTV)on a monthly basis.
If you're interested have a look at
http://www.club.innet.be/~pub02749/sstv01.htm

Our Organisation is Vlaamse Radioamateur Bond
My call ON6JG, Name Jan

An appreciation report would be welcome.

Greetings to all of you.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:36:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Sandy Lynch)
Subject: Re: Kam Plus with Version 8. w/ Mac?
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John M. Vanderau ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Hostmaster/Mac v2.3b works "okay" also is probably the last one Kantronics
: will have unless they hire a new guy who speaks Macintosh - the factory
: tech support line told me (about a month ago) that the last guy quit!

Pity ... I guess nobody around here knows that Host Master of Macintosh
was NOT written by anybody at Kantronics .... it was written by Kevin
Krueger - N0IOS and ... he's also the fellow who wrote the contest
logging software called:  Marathon for Macintosh  (it's wonderful!!)
and, he wrote ONLY the most recent version of MacRatt (III) for AEA.

I'm sure he'll just love that I mention it ... but, Kevin's email
address can be identified, I'm pretty sure, by some of the on-line
callbooks that also list email address.  I don't know that he
would be excited to spend his life providing technical support ...
after all .... I seriously doubt that he does or was paid by
Kantronics to do anything more than write the program and the
manual.... the expense burden of providing technical support
goes to the retailer of the software, generally speaking.

In any case ... if you own a Mac and don't have logging software,
(especially for contests) check out Marathon  - I really, really
like that one and can use it, with limited data entry as a
general purpose log .... but it wasn't designed to do that.

Cheers
Sandy WA6BXH
Portland, Oregon

PS: I AM an unabashed and unashamed enthusiastic supporter of
Kevin Krueger -N0IOS as he is one of the  all-too-few hams
writing commercial grade software for us Mac-weenies.  ;-)



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:36:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tony Baca (?))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: TCM3105 chip
Date: 5 Sep 1996 15:15:35 GMT
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Could someone tell me who still caries the TCM3105 chip (DIP)?

Thanks

WV7I
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:36:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Nick J Chiarchiaro, AET / N2QXF)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: NOS in windows
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 19:14:31 GMT
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Hi,

I have been trying to get MFNOS ver 1.23 to work undwer win 3.1 but
can't....ho hum

is there a version of nos out there that can be used under windows?

tnxx
Nick



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:36:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: 9600 Packet Ready ?
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In <50okne$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Victor V Voronkov) writes
:

>Is there who also realy compare radio's and can say, which radio from
>"9600 Packet Ready" is the best ?

You have missed a lengthy and hectic discussion about this topic,
elsewhere in this newsgroup.   Read it and learn about "9600 baud ready"
PLL radios :-)

Rob
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:36:10 1996
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From: Rob Dover <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: 19k2 Mitreks? success anyone?
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 12:36:59 -0700
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Greetings..
Has anyone had any success getting UHF Mitreks to go to 19k2 bps or
higher?  If so, what did you do to make it work?
Thanks 73 -Rob-

ve7eje@ve7rxd.#scbc.bc.can.noam
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:36:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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Subject: Re: 19k2 Mitreks? success anyone?
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In article <[e-mail]>, Rob Dover  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Greetings..
>Has anyone had any success getting UHF Mitreks to go to 19k2 bps or
>higher?  If so, what did you do to make it work?
>Thanks 73 -Rob-

While I haven't tried it, I'm pretty certain that trying to
run 19k2 GMSK through a stock Mitrek isn't going to work very
well.  It might actually fool you into thinking it is working
acceptably on the bench with strong signals - but there's
no chance you could use this in the real world.

However, any radio that works at 9k6 using the common
"2 level" GMSK (TAPR, G3RUH, K9NG, etc.) would probably
work well at 19k2 using a 4 level modem like the MX909 from
MX*COM.  The 4 level modem encodes 2 bits per baud, so the
bandwidth is about the same.  The downside is that you'd
have to build your own modems for all the nodes, but it is
probably better than butchering the excellent Mitrek radios.

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:36:12 1996
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From: Gabe Nemeth <[e-mail]>
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Subject: HAs Baycom web site dissapeared?
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 15:55:49 -0400
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Could someone please try http://www.baycom.de/
I have been getting the following message for a week using different
computers and providers.

Reason: System call `connect' failed: Connection refused.

Thanks in advance.
Gabe VE3SLJ


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:36:13 1996
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From: Gary.Coffman%1:2619/211.9 (Gary Coffman%1:2619/211.9)
Date: 03 Sep 96 11:08:08
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To: Gary Coffman%1:2619/211.9%12:320/100.666
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Software for TNC's
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeff Towle) writes:
>
>One of the advantages of KaGOLD in Windows is that when it is resized
>to say 1/2 or 1/4 of the screen, the entire program is still visible
>due to the way Windows varies the font used. For Winapps, once they
>are resized to anything but full screen, the user is faced with
>scrollbars, and cannot see the entire program display. Well-behaved
>DOS apps in Windows (any version) or OS/2 run fast, smoothly, in the
>foreground or background, and when resized, still present a complete
>display of the program screen.

The downside of this is that unless you have a very large screen,
the fonts get too tiny to read comfortably when the window is
reduced to quarter screen, so the advantage touted becomes moot.
You can force the penalty box to use a larger font, but then you're
back to seeing only part of the text in the window. So to use this
feature effectively, you've got to spring for a big monitor (more
$$). This isn't a criticism of the program per se, just a fact of
life with reduced windows.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:36:14 1996
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From: Clint.Bradford%1:2619/211.9 (Clint Bradford%1:2619/211.9)
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To: Clint Bradford%1:2619/211.9%12:320/100.666
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
Subject: Re: Software for TNC's
Organization: ATTENTION to Details BBS - Mira Loma, CA


>>Pheezer wrote:
>>I hope that you see, by Interflex's responses, that they really
>>are inflexible when it comes to their software.  They obviously
>>aren't interested in what the user community wants.

Totally ridiculous. Each and every Update to their program reflects
changes submitted by the "user community."

-Clint Bradford, KE6LCS

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:36:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Subject: Re: Software for TNC's
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>>Pheezer wrote:
>>I hope that you see, by Interflex's responses, that they really
>>are inflexible when it comes to their software.  They obviously
>>aren't interested in what the user community wants.

Totally ridiculous. Each and every Update to their program reflects
changes submitted by the "user community."

-Clint Bradford, KE6LCS

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:36:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Barry Anderson)
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Subject: Re: Software for TNC's
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I would like to thank everyone for their comments. This thread
has brought responses beyond my wildest expectations ... an a
lot of food for thought. Thank you all for your comments.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:07:56 1996
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I have a new AEA DSP-232 TNC and cannot make it run on 9600 baud.
The manual says to use Modem 16, but the TNC shows 9600 packet as
Modem 18 when you do the DIR command. Doesn't matter, neither one
works for 9600. On Modem 18 (like the TNC shows) tuning bar goes off
and nothing happens. Anyone have theirs working?


BTW, it all worked when I had my DSP2232 (shouldnt have sold it?)

CHarlie


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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:03 1996
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Date: 18 Sep 1996 00:16:04 GMT
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In <51ktv3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian Kantor) writes:
>In article <51hfct$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>protocols and so forth .... the TCP/IP protocols are the defacto
>>standard for interoperability and AX.25, ROSE, NETROM, and any other
>>TNC-based kluges should be abandoned
>
>Uh, waitaminit.  IP has to be carried by SOMETHING from router to router,
>or host to host.  Casting it into the wind in raw form doesn't work real
>well.
>
>You want a reliable link protocol to carry IP; right now AX.25 does this
>as well as anything else we have.  Certainly there are BETTER ways to do
>it and the rules shouldn't specify what, but don't confuse one level of
>the protocol with another!
>

Brian,

As I said in my reply to Gary, I was trying to infer the use of a suite
of internet-compatible protocols ... I realize that TCP and IP need a
layer 1 and a layer 2 ...  I don't particularly like some aspects of
AX.25 and feel that it should not be a government mandated link layer
.. that's more accurately what I meant to say ...

>The advanced ham networking people have been seriously discussing using
>PPP over connected-mode AX.25 as an entry-level protocol stack, and
>there are a number of good reasons for doing so.  For the casual ham
>users, this isn't bad.  At 9600 bps, it'd work acceptably well for
>a lot of occasional dabblers in digital ham radio.
>
>Nothing works well at 1200 bps and slower.  Carrier pigeon would be faster.
>

Agreed ...

>The ham network, if it ever is to exist, will require something better
>than 9600, of course.
>

Agreed again ...

Carl - wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:06 1996
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Hello,
I am N2NNU, Alex. I have been involved with high speed lans for
15 years now. I have seen de birth and the demize of at least
a dozen protocols and harware solution. And I have seen the standardisation
of perhaps the worst of them, the Ethernet. It all happen
just because of greed, non compliance and ego !

For us, the amateurs of the world to succede in this endeavor
we need to have the guts to reinvent our self. We need to
tell the legislators tha we need INCENTIVES to build the
next generation of HAMS. We need to grow the previousely
stated %2 of REAL Amateurs to as much possible. But
when they can-t use THEIR equipment to call in for a pizza
there in no much incentive to build new infrastructures
on top of the aging ALOHA.

We need the equivalent of the IBM to generate and build
universal standars and hardware and we need the equivalent
of Microsoft to help us be better users of the system.

It is a shame that we have left the entire market and hoby
to the whims of the foreign manufacturres. We need to
subsidise and create incentives for our hoby to grow and
thrive.

We need to do it now, before we are losing our precious
resoureces.
Alexander Sandbrand
N2NNU
email - [e-mail]




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Subject: Re: Baypac 1 & 16550 UARTs?
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>>>>> "Bradley" == Bradley T Banko <[e-mail]> writes:

    Bradley> I just upgraded my motherboard from an older 486DX-40
    Bradley> system with old BIOS to a newer system with an AMD
    Bradley> 5x86-133 processor, and now my Baypac 1 modem isn't
    Bradley> working properly with Baycom 1.5 software.

    Bradley> Has anybody else had this problem?  The software works
    Bradley> for about 60 seconds, but then goes into a "send" mode
    Bradley> (without actually keying the radio) and stops working.
    Bradley> Do the 16550 UARTs not support the power sourcing of the
    Bradley> RS232 needed by the Baypac or something?

    Bradley> Thanks in advance for your comments.  (I am also going to
    Bradley> try to contact Tigertronics about this problem.)


Hi Bradley, a friend of mine had the same problem when he upgraded his
computer to a Pentium PCI motherboard with integrated 16550 UARTS. The
modem worked great in his 486 with 16450 UARTS but stopped doing so in
the new computer.

It seems there is a bug in BayCom 1.5 (and 1.5a too) that prevents it
from working with FIFO UARTS. Once he upgraded to BayCom 1.6 the
problems disappeared. The modem he was using is the *real* BayCom one,
so I can't tell you if this will work with the Tigertronics one. But
if you can get a copy of 1.6, the test is worth it.

Hope this helps you.
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Bulletin Export Files Available
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 16:26:25 GMT
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Hello, Folks:

I now have Packet Bulletin Export Files available on my Home Page.

The files are split by distribution group. I now have the following
available: ALLUSA, WW, EU, CANADA, ARRL, AMSAT, and NASA. Others may
be added as needed.

Files will be posted daily and should be online after about Noon
Central Time.

Just point your Netscape 3.0 or MS Inetrnet Explorer 3.0 browser at:

   http://www.trucom.com/ppages/marty

and go to the Amateur Radio area. The rest should be clear to all.

Take Care & 73



Marty Albert - [e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM

Heartland Internet Services

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rich & Katy Mulvey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BULLETIN: 14 Year Old Sailor Not Heard in 3 Weeks
Date: 14 Sep 1996 15:27:23 GMT
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On 14 Sep 1996 14:30:20 GMT, Gerald Schmitt <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Thomas G. McWilliams)
>writes:
>>
>>Ed Mitchell ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>: 14 year old Subaru Takahashi is making a solo crossing of the
>Pacific Ocean
>>: from Japan to the United States - in a 30 foot yacht. According to
>Masa
>>: Sakamoto, KN6RJ, Subaru, who's call sign is JH0YCG, has not been
>heard since
>>: August 18th.
>>
>>Most probably, Master Subaru sleeps with the fishes.
>>Talking to a dead man on ham radio--now that would be some DX!
>>But what a great QSL card . . .
>>
>
>Boy Tom you are some piece of work; the guys asks for help and this is
>what you come up with. What ever happened to the amateur service
>creedo. You know Sakamoto san's family could just easily read this,
>talk about ugly Americans. You sir are an embarassment to the hobby.
>


   It just goes to show that you can't escape from the morons, anywhere
you go.

   On a more pleasant note, Takahasi arrived in SF bay yesterday afternoon.


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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Biddle)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: dsp-232
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:32:33 GMT
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John,

From all reports, the DSP-232 is still in beta testing.  (Yes, I know
it is for sale.)  Lots of bugs, and missing features.  Some users have
new eproms which fix a few things and add other problems.  I recommend
you hold off a bit.  Now that Mike Lamb is back running things I have
a lot of confidence that AEA will clean up the mess that Rod Proctor
left behind, but it will take a while.

Alan
WA4SCA



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:13 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: FSK With SNDBLST
Date: 18 Sep 96 20:16:07 GMT
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>Subject: Software decoding of FSK modulated signal
>
>Daniel Ayers ([e-mail]) wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I am developing a program to decode FSK modulated signals using a
> SoundBlaster soundcard.  The plan is to digitize the signal from the
> radio's audio output and then analyse it in software to produce binary
> data for further analysis.

Hello Dr OM .
For your information there is a SOUNDBLASTER driver for 1K2/9K6 operations
for PC/FLEXNET 3.3e SYSTEM ... I've never seen it working but as the author
says " IT WORKS ! "
PC/FLEXNET seems to be the most interesting system to work with other MODEMs
than TNC-2 or BAYCOM ...

73 de YANN - F1NGP - <[e-mail]>




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: GRAPES 56 K Modem, is it dead ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 20:10:03 GMT
Lines: 46

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
> That $ 50 dollars worth of parts probably results in a 100 dollar finished
>product cost. But worse, the 10 meter IF output requires another 100, in the
>cost of the transverter (for 440 application), over an I/Q Radio solution.

I don't see how you can say that. The I/Q radio still needs an IF strip,
mixers to the operating frequency, and power amplifiers on the operating
frequency. The transverter supplies the latter two things for us, and we
build in the IF strip. You need the same bits either way, the only difference
is in how you package the bits in the two boxes.

> Yes, its vaporware. But, isn t that what a TNC was before 1984? If there s
>no market, it wont be built. If the DSY 56 KB modem doesn t have the 10 meter
>IF as a plug in option, there will be no market for an I/Q 440 radio. That is
>kinda why i m making these comments. To see if there is a way to move forward
>on the RF side of things.

The option to use your I/Q radio has existed for 8 years. No one built
one. GRAPES has never been real fussy about how you buy the kit. We'd
have sold just the encoder and decoder to someone who had an I/Q radio.
But no I/Q radio ever materialized. Therefore when the new modem was
designed, the integration offered by going to a single board outweighed
any considerations of such a vaporware radio.

In my opinion, by the time a suitable I/Q radio does appear, the
encoding and decoding will be done in DSP, so the point becomes
moot anyway. The GRAPES modem fills a niche *now* so that people
can get on the air *now* with 56 kb using off the shelf transverters.
What we'll be using in 10 years will probably be entirely different.

Your TNC analogy doesn't hold any water because FM radios *did*
exist to allow it to be used. That's not the case here. The I/Q
radio does *not* exist as a product people can own. It makes
absolutely no sense to market a modem which is unusable because
the necessary radio does not exist. Do you expect buyers to plunk
down their money and then just *hope* someone might build a suitable
I/Q radio sometime in the future so that their investment isn't
totally wasted? IBM might get away with that, but GRAPES can't.

Gary
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es
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Ham Web Page
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 16:25:59 GMT
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Hello, Folks:

I have just put up my new home page and invite all to drop in for a
look. Included at the site are the following areas:

Ham Radio -- Mostly packet, mostly high speed

Pipe Smokers -- Very, very much still under construction

Astronomy -- Mostly Amateur Radio Astronomy (good 2nd interest for
Hams!)

Mapping -- Mostly about elevation maps

Heartland Internet Services -- Lots of Web Presence information

The URL to use is:

http://www.trucom.com/ppages/marty

Thanks!

Take Care & 73



Marty Albert - [e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM

Heartland Internet Services

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:16 1996
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From: James Lee Tabor <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Re: Ham Web Page
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 16:40:24 -0500
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Marty Albert wrote:
>
> Hello, Folks:
>
> I have just put up my new home page and invite all to drop in for a
> look.

Howdy Folks,

Your welcome at mine also.

73,
Jim
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http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/KU5S


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:19 1996
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From: James Lee Tabor <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Ham Web Page
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 13:56:24 -0500
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Howdy,

 and a fine start you have. You need lots more antennas on that
car?

73,
Jim

Will, KN6DV wrote:
>
> Will, KN6DV <[e-mail]> wrote in article
> <01bba3de$7fac8320$[e-mail]>...
> > Well OK while you are at it you might as well take a look at mine also.
> >
> >       http://www.av.qnet.com/~kn6dv
> > 73 Will
> >
> >
> > James Lee Tabor <[e-mail]> wrote in article
> > <[e-mail]>...
> > > Marty Albert wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello, Folks:
> > > >
> > > > I have just put up my new home page and invite all to drop in for a
> > > > look.
> > >
> > > Howdy Folks,
> > >
> > > Your welcome at mine also.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Jim
> > > --
> > > CAPMan HF Propagation Prediction & System Analysis Software
> > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/KU5S
> > >
> >

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:20 1996
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From: "T.J. Alessi" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Re: Ham Web Page
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 21:29:34 -0400
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Will, KN6DV wrote:
>
> Well OK while you are at it you might as well take a look at mine also.
>
>         http//:www.av.qnet.com/~kn6dv
> 73 Will

They would if you correct the typo... I think it should look like this:

          http://www.av.qnet.com/~kn6dv

Tom
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:21 1996
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From: "Will, KN6DV" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Re: Ham Web Page
Date: 16 Sep 1996 14:59:06 GMT
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Well OK while you are at it you might as well take a look at mine also.

        http//:www.av.qnet.com/~kn6dv
73 Will


James Lee Tabor <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> Marty Albert wrote:
> >
> > Hello, Folks:
> >
> > I have just put up my new home page and invite all to drop in for a
> > look.
>
> Howdy Folks,
>
> Your welcome at mine also.
>
> 73,
> Jim
> --
> CAPMan HF Propagation Prediction & System Analysis Software
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/KU5S
>


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From: "Will, KN6DV" <[e-mail]>
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Will, KN6DV <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<01bba3de$7fac8320$[e-mail]>...
> Well OK while you are at it you might as well take a look at mine also.
>
>       http://www.av.qnet.com/~kn6dv
> 73 Will
>
>
> James Lee Tabor <[e-mail]> wrote in article
> <[e-mail]>...
> > Marty Albert wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello, Folks:
> > >
> > > I have just put up my new home page and invite all to drop in for a
> > > look.
> >
> > Howdy Folks,
> >
> > Your welcome at mine also.
> >
> > 73,
> > Jim
> > --
> > CAPMan HF Propagation Prediction & System Analysis Software
> > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/KU5S
> >
>


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rich & Katy Mulvey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: HAVE YOU BEEN SCREWED LATELY?
Date: 18 Sep 1996 21:54:31 GMT
Organization: Mulvey Home Node
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On 18 Sep 1996 13:06:26 GMT, Linda Cook <[e-mail]> wrote:
>If you've been screwed in a business deal, or real estate, or any thing
>like that, we want to hear your story.  Don't hold back on their name,
>where they live, where they work, and what they did to you.  Even if they
>haven't done it to you,  just someone you know, PLEASE LET US KNOW ABOUT
>IT.
>
>Check us out at http://www.wwcrooks.com
>
>Write to us!!!


   Gee, an opportunity for people to anonymously drag the names and
reputations of other people through the mud.  Of course, the web page
you reference looks suspiciously like it's the start of a porn site, as
well.

   Then again, this is probably just an opportunity to collect
e-mail addresses for a spammer, so please excuse my lack of a valid
return address.


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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:23 1996
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From: John Demczyk <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Help: WEFAX & SSTV frequencies..
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 23:29:12 -0400
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Mike Agner wrote:
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > Hi,  everyone here.   I am interested  on receiving WEFAX  & SSTV charts o
r
> > photographs, but need a bunch of frequencies to search them. Please, if yo
u
> > know abt these freqs. send my a reply.
> >
> > Txns in advance from Giovanny Romero (YV4GGT)!
> > Hasta luego!  Hi Giovanny - do a net search for the HFFAX page by Marius
> Rensen...this is an excellant source of info on WEFAX and SSTV; lots of
> freqs for WEFAX stuff, too...Ciao   MikeI have a link to Marius's page on my
 page. Feel free to visit and follow
the link :)

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Mileshosky, N5ZGT)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Leaving HT on Charger
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 21:35:05 GMT
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Carolyn S & James C Krogness <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I am using an Yaesu FT 11 for my packet system.  Do you think I might
>cause a problem to the radio battery by leaving it plugged into the
>charger all the time and leaving the radio on also?  I hoping that the
>radio power drain is about equal to the charger rate.

Hi Jim,
  NiCd batteries do not have any kind of overcharge protection.  If
you overcharge the battery (In this case by leaving it in the
charger), the battery capacity will be degraded.
  Good luck!
73,
Brian, N5ZGT


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I am using an Yaesu FT 11 for my packet system.  Do you think I might
cause a problem to the radio battery by leaving it plugged into the
charger all the time and leaving the radio on also?  I hoping that the
radio power drain is about equal to the charger rate.

Thanks,

Jim
KJ7QX



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:26 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Charles)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Terry Calof) wrote:

> I've got a Mac Classic II, 4 megs RAM, 40 meg hd, system 7.1 which I want
> to use for packet. I'm looking for software suggestions for packet use
> with an MFJ 1270B. Can anyone comment on the MFJ starter pack which
> includes software and the DB25 to DB9cable to hook into the modem port of
> the Mac, or suggest a better alternative? I can make my own TNC to modem
> port cable if I have to, but what about software?
> Thanks in advance, Terry VE4UC   [e-mail]   VE4UC@VE4KV.#WPG.MB.CA
N

Greetings:

  I also am a Mac/packet peson. I use Saviant 1.0.2, and Soft Kiss 1.9.1
wit the Poor Mans Packet Tnc that was in the 73 magazine several years
ago. I also use  a 1270C with the MFJ software package. I run a 6290CD and
several different radios, ie IC27H, IC211, RS 202, Regency XLH250B. I also
have an SE that I am dedicating to packet so I can surf the net and packet
also.

Let me Know if I can be of any assistance

Charles   KD4HHX


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:29 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John D. Seney, WD1V,   LeCroy T&M   800.553.2769)
Subject: Re: Mac software?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Charles) wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]>,
> [e-mail] (Terry Calof) wrote:
>
> > I've got a Mac Classic II, 4 megs RAM, 40 meg hd, system 7.1 which I want
> > to use for packet. I'm looking for software suggestions for packet use
> > with an MFJ 1270B. Can anyone comment on the MFJ starter pack which
> > includes software and the DB25 to DB9cable to hook into the modem port of
> > the Mac, or suggest a better alternative? I can make my own TNC to modem
> > port cable if I have to, but what about software?
> > Thanks in advance, Terry VE4UC   [e-mail]
VE4UC@VE4KV.#WPG.MB.CAN
>
> Greetings:
>
>   I also am a Mac/packet peson. I use Saviant 1.0.2, and Soft Kiss 1.9.1
> wit the Poor Mans Packet Tnc that was in the 73 magazine several years
> ago. I also use  a 1270C with the MFJ software package. I run a 6290CD and
> several different radios, ie IC27H, IC211, RS 202, Regency XLH250B. I also
> have an SE that I am dedicating to packet so I can surf the net and packet
> also.
>
> Let me Know if I can be of any assistance
>
> Charles   KD4HHX

A trip to my home page reveals there are many good files and programs for
amateur radio operators that want to use Mac computers.

<http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v/>

* Ham Radio Test Simulators - where you can go from Novice to Extra Class
practicing the actual tests right on your Mac! Check out the info on the
new NO CODE license or scramble your neurons and learn Morse on the Mac
too!

* Macnet Roster - a virtual "Who's Who" HyperCard stack with more than 750
entries giving the names, addresses, phone numbers, of radio operators
all over the world that are using Macs. Check out their projects and
their passions and put a design on your Mac Radio future when you see
what neat things are being done!

* Mac Ham Radio Software Listing - as the name implies, its "The List" of
the latest - much of it with FTP links so what you see is what you can
get with just a click.

* Ham Radio.FAQ - compiled on a Mac with a lot of links to great Mac FTP
sites for radio, electronic engineering, and similar data.

73,

            John D. Seney |_|_|_|_| [e-mail]
        144 Pepperidge Dr |_|   |_| page [e-mail]
Manchester, NH 03103-6150 |_|_ _|_| [e-mail]
  voice mail 603.533.3472 | | | | | fax [phone]

                    www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v
            Digital Scope.FAQ + Application Notes


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Terry Calof)
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> Terry,
>
> Lookup WD1V.  He maintains a set of Mac based packet software as well as a
> database of Mac/Packet users.
>
> 73 de Bob / N8SQT

Thanks, Bob. I did get a hold of John, WD1V, and he was a great source of help
.
73, Terry VE4UC


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:31 1996
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Hello, I am new to packet and am having some trouble with my Kantronics
KPC-3.  Am able to connect to other stations BBS, but as soon as I send
a (S) message to the connected station, I am immediately disconnected.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Jim
KJ7QX


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From: [e-mail] (Larry Weaver)
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Subject: Re: PACKET VIA INTERNET?
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 23:08:57 GMT
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Brad Gulleff <[e-mail]> wrote:

>CAN ANYBODY TELL ME IF I CAN GET ON PACKET VHF TYPE ON THE INTERNET
>THANKS KJ7VW.

Hi Brad,
     If you have a Telnet client you can try these two addresses.

migate.ampr.org     port 23   (this is a packet bbs)

This is a World Wide Convers system:

hydra.carleton.ca
IP Address=134.117.12.18
Port=3600

Hope this helps Brad

          Larry



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Gunshannon)
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And, on another note.

Is anyone using the INTERNET to tie together NETROM (The NET) type Nodes
in order to have reliable DX type connections??  I believe there were
telephone "wormholes" many moons ago, but is anyone doing this across
the INTERNET??  Is anyone interested??  I have considered reviving my
NOS<->INTERNET box here at the University, but radio access to the
INTERNET is hardly practical when you figure you can get real access for
less than $20.00 a month. But reliable access to many corners of the world
on VHF Packet might be fun.  especially for those who would prefer liesurely
conversation "your 59.  good bye."

bill   KB3YV

--
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[e-mail]         |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton   |
Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Asbjorn Pettersen)
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Subject: pk-96 and TCP/IP ?
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Got a PK-96 modem today.
Read in the manual that it support TCP/IP , but the documentation
is poor on that speficic item.

Have anybody used TCP/IP with the PK-96 modem ?
Is it just to use the "KISS" command and use SLIP (serial line IP) ?

I want to use FTP,telnet,mail and WWW.


Thanks for any reply.
PS! I'm no radio amateur



Asbjoern Pettersen
email:[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:34 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
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Subject: Re: PLL Radio for 9600 baud packet?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rob Janssen) writ
es:
Hello Rob.

>Well, we have already tried to explain that to our friend Christopher,
>but he does not get it.

I get it just fine my friend...you are comparing apples and oranges.

The original issue was the way I answered the other users question.
Did I answer his question correctly...yes.

>"my modem says 9600 baud and I get a connection
>so my transceiver works at 9600 baud" is his credo.

My transceiver DOES work at 9.6k...but is it the best radio to use, the
answer is no.

But does *IT* work flawlessly on 9.6k...with a high TXD, the answer is yes.

Stop putting words in my mouth, and reading what you want into posts.

Thank you, and take care.


>Of course, he has not responded to my challenge to measure the actual
>throuhput while uploading a 200K file to a nearby user or BBS...

>Rob
>--
>+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
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>| AMPRnet:       [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
>+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+


Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:35 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Stansberry)
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Subject: Re: Setting the time on an AEA PK88
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Paul Traverse ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Can someone help me?  I have an AEA PK-88 and I don't have the manuals.
: I have it pretty well set up...except for the time and date. Does anyone
: know how to do it?

I believe it uses the standard 'DAYTIME' command with the data format
YYMMDDHHMMSS, e.g. 960919070000.

If that doesn't work, I'll check my manual.

Mike, K0TER


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
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In <[e-mail]> Daniel Ayers <[e-mail]> write
s:

>I am developing a program to decode FSK modulated signals using a
>SoundBlaster soundcard.  The plan is to digitize the signal from the
>radio's audio output and then analyse it in software to produce binary
>data for further analysis.

>I pretty much know how FSK works (this is not AFSK), I have hooked the
>radio up and digitised some test samples.

>My best guess at this stage is that once you have worked out how to
>divide the signal into bits (ie. time quantums depending on the baud
>rate) you need to work out how many cycles occurred in that period -
>which of course gives you the frequency.

I'm afraid you haven't quite understood how FSK works...  in combination
with an FM transceiver.

When you get the signal from the radio's audio output, assuming it is
an FM radio, you won't get "so many cycles in that period", you will
directly get voltage levels that correspond to the frequency of the
of the received signal.  So, the decoding of the FSK signal is simply
a matter of slicing it at the correct level and finding the correct
place to decide if it is a '0' or a '1'.

There are two things you will have to do: find the correct slicing level,
i.e. the zero axis in the signal.  That can be done by low-pass filtering
or by taking the peak value in positive and negative sense and calculating
the halfway point from that.

The other thing is re-generating the bit clock to find the correct sampling
points for the data (you don't want to sample near the bit edges).
That is done using a software DPLL.
Of course your first guess is to use a sample interval equal to the bit
rate, and then you PLL that to the actual received signal to overcome
tolerances in the bitrate and to lock at the correct phase relationship.

Rob
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:37 1996
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Hello Everyone,

I am developing a program to decode FSK modulated signals using a
SoundBlaster soundcard.  The plan is to digitize the signal from the
radio's audio output and then analyse it in software to produce binary
data for further analysis.

I pretty much know how FSK works (this is not AFSK), I have hooked the
radio up and digitised some test samples.

My question is: What are the best techniques for decoding the FSK signal
into a binary stream?

I have seen this done using a data slicer circuit based on a 741 IC,
some resistors and capacitors ... however I want to do it entirely in
software using a soundcard.

I know it can be done, as I have a program that receives HF FAX
transmissions via a soundcard.  I have obtained a suitably fast PC for
this application, so the analysis can be performed in real time.

My best guess at this stage is that once you have worked out how to
divide the signal into bits (ie. time quantums depending on the baud
rate) you need to work out how many cycles occurred in that period -
which of course gives you the frequency.

Does anyone have any experience doing this?  Any sample code or other
technical information?

I'd appreciate any pointers.

Regards,
Daniel.
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:39 1996
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From: Bob Nielsen <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Ten (10) Good reasons to use Linux
Date: 16 Sep 1996 11:28:03 -0700
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Roger Barker wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>, David Woolley
> <[e-mail]> writes
> >In article <$Uu0hAAkD8NyEw$[e-mail]>,
> >Roger Barker  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>
> >>2. If I buy a Linux CD (in the UK they seem to cost *more* than Win95!),
> >
> >I didn't realise that Win 95 cost less than GBP 3 (the typical price of
> >a magazine with Linux on a cover disk). [1]
>
> Thanks for all the info. The last cover CD I had with Linux on it was
> from PCW. Someone commented that the release on it was "out of the ark".
> I think the last thing a newcomer wants to do is to install a version of
> software that is already obsolete.
>
> I thought that Linux had a version numbering system that differentiated
> between stable versions and development versions, or something like
> that? None of the replies to my question have yet mentioned what version
> number I should be looking for.

Most of the CD-ROMS available have version 1.2.13, which is quite
stable, but lacks many of the features of the newer kernels.  There are
some now out with 2.0.0 or later which are mostly reasonably stable.
Look for Debian 1.1 or Slackware 3.1 distributions.  I expect that Red
Hat and others will have new releases quite soon.  The 2.0,x kernels are
"stable", but there are still bug-fixes going in, as opposed to new
features, which should show up when the 2.1.x series starts, although
the difference is sometimes hard to discern.

I find the 2.0.x series quite stable for my applications, but some folks
may differ.

> --
> Roger Barker, G4IDE  [e-mail]
> Boston, UK           "Be tolerant of everything, except for intolerance!"

--
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:41 1996
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On Wed, 11 Sep 1996 [e-mail] wrote:

 Brian and Sam Bradshaw <[e-mail]> wrote:

 >I'de like to apologize for bashing MFJ so hard... although they might
 >not have the best products, they have a great staff... they're replacing
 >my cable...

 It was probably just an error in shipment. I've always found MFJ's
 products to be of good quality.
                                Butch N2YMJ


Well to add a comment.   MFJ does have some problems sometimes in
communications within their own offices.  When I wanted to order one of
their MFJ1171 (Commodore Digicom Modems) their 800 opr at TECH office kept
telling me there was nothing wrong with the modems and they had like 200
sitting on the shelf collecting dust.  Their 800 opr at SALES kept
insisting at first that they had "none".  Then when confronted him with
the words of the TECH opr he said that was true but there was something
wrong with the modems thats why they quit selling them and were instructed
to just keep them in the warehouse.  Another call to the TECH people and
they completely refuted that and said they sold them for years and no
problems whatever.   One more call back to Sales and told them to ship
me one regardless.  The guy was nonplussed, and said "you mean you want
us to ship you one even though we warned you something is wrong with
them.  I replied exactly that "ship it".   They did finally after a 2
month delay of phone calls after calls etc and the modem finally was
received and worked perfectly ever since.   So they obviously have an
in house problem in comms between each other, but as to their products, I
would say FB!.
                  KH6JF (aka kilroy)






From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:42 1996
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From: Lorie and/or Al Zelna <[e-mail]>
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Howdy folks,

Looking for an MFJ data radio (model escapes me) in fine working order.
I would like the APRS version (145.790 MHz Xtal set), but plain-jane one
would be fine.

My appologies if this message was posted in the wrong column.


73 de Al, N3KAE


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:43 1996
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From: KD1YV <[e-mail]>
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THE WESTERN CONNECTICUT HAMFEST
Sponsored by the Candlewood Amateur Radio Association

Just 14 miles from the NY/CT State line!

Sunday, Sept. 15, 1996                      0900-1400
Edmond Town Hall                 Route 6, Newtown, CT
Tables inside                      Tailgating outside
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Door Prizes                             Ample Parking
Gourmet Fare                            Rain or shine

Talk-in 147.12/.72 PL 141.3

General admission $4.00 at the door (what a deal!)

Tailgating $6.00, inside table reservations $10.00 each, (both
include 1 admission), mail to:
Candlewood Amateur Radio Association, PO BOX 3441, Danbury CT 06813

For more info, phone [phone] or [phone].

Hope to see you all there.
73 de KD1YV
Jim


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rich & Katy Mulvey)
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Subject: Re: What does 'KA-NODE' stand for..?
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On 13 Sep 96 17:23:56 GMT, [e-mail] <[e-mail]> wro
te:
>Hi,  everyone there.  I know  that several TNCs offer node facilities,
>but i am confused about the differences among brands. Some of them are
>called 'Ka-node'...can anyone explain a little abt this..?
>


   A KA-Node is a Kantronics implementation of a Node that resides in
the TNC firmware.  It's generally considered to be a major hassle
integrating one into existing Node networks.

   They do, however, offer a new node implementaion with their KNET
firmware, which is reportedly much more compliant with existing node
software.

- Rich


--
My mailer has the unfortunate tendency to bounce 10,000 copies of any
junk mail I receive back to the sender.  Be warned.





From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:44 1996
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From: "Ed van Mol" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Winpack <> pk96 DCD problem??
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Hi,

DCD is not working well with my pk96, i tried different setting in the comm
setup but with no luck.
Can somenone tel me what the problem is??

Thanks,

Ed, pe1nat@pi8rys

--

Name: Ed van Mol
Email: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:08:45 1996
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From: "Ed van Mol" <[e-mail]>
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I tried that before...

The DCD line seemed to stay high
Only pull out the rs232 cabel shows a GREEN dcd-led, nothing else more...

Roger Barker <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> In article <01bba2bf$6d434900$LocalHost@default>, Ed van Mol
> <[e-mail]> writes
> >Hi,
> >
> >DCD is not working well with my pk96, i tried different setting in the
comm
> >setup but with no luck.
> >Can somenone tel me what the problem is??
>
> Most AEA TNC default to the DCD line to the PC being permanently high.
>
> You must send the command "DCDCONN ON" so the DCD line will show the
> connected state. Once you've done that, in WinPack "Comms Setup", set
> "DCD shows conn YES".
>
> If it still doesn't work, check that the DCD line is connected in your
> cable!
>
> --
> Roger Barker, G4IDE  [e-mail]
> Boston, UK           "Be tolerant of everything, except for intolerance!"
>


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:06 1996
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From: "Don L. Miller" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: A ProComm Plus Script to Control the AEA MemoryMaster Keyer
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:23:03 -0700
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I have written a ProComm Plus Aspect script which is designed to be used
with the AEA MemoryMaster Keyer.  You can download it at:

     http://www.fishnet.net/~dlmiller/mm3.html

The MM-3 is a dandy device for learning the morse code.  You can hook
it up to your computer and take advantage of its built-in QSO simulator
to prepare for your next upgrade.  Everything sent by it will appear on
your monitor.

If you have your paddle plugged in, you can even talk back to the MM-3
during a simulated QSO.  It will learn your callsign, your name and even
your QTH.  The ultimate diplomat, the MM-3 will assume that any
inability
to copy your morse code is due to QRM rather than a "bad fist"!

The MM-3 also has the capability to send you random practice code
groups.

System requirements are:

     ProComm Plus (DOS or Windows)
     The AEA MemoryMaster Keyer (also called the MorseMachine or MM-3)
     A IBM-Compatible PC with a VGA Monitor
     The Serial Port Cable described in the MM-3 Manual
     A paddle (Optional -- If you want to "talk back" to your keyer)

Installation instructions are included.
--
Don L. Miller
Internet EMail Address = mailto:[e-mail]
Packet Radio Address =   N6ZUF@N6AHI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM
Home Page =              http://www.fishnet.net/~dlmiller


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:07 1996
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From: Oded Regev <[e-mail]>
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Subject: APT+JVFAX+SOUNDCARD
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Hello All !

I am looking for a programmer who has the time
to continue writing a program I began working
on one year ago. The program is a JV-FAX external
driver and allows reception of NOAA-MET APT transmissions.
The program is written in Pascal and is a modifications
of the original JV-TSR.PAS sample program. I admit
the program is a bit messy since I was not planning
on making it public. However, it is readable and in a
more or less workable condition. The connection
with the JV-FAX gives a big advantage to the interface.

If there are any experienced programmers out there
that want to try to develop this program please mail me.
I can send you my interface program and some documentation
I have on Sound Blaster & DMA programming.


73's - Oded

Packet: 4Z5BS @ 4Z4AAA
EMAIL : [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bry)
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) whistled a happy tune like:

|>Thomas G. McWilliams <[e-mail]> wrote:
|>>Ed Mitchell ([e-mail]) wrote:

|>>: 14 year old Subaru Takahashi is making a solo crossing of the Pacific
Ocean
|>>: from Japan to the United States - in a 30 foot yacht. According to Masa

|>>: Sakamoto, KN6RJ, Subaru, who's call sign is JH0YCG, has not been heard
since
|>>: August 18th.

|>>Most probably, Master Subaru sleeps with the fishes.
|>>Talking to a dead man on ham radio--now that would be some DX!
|>>But what a great QSL card . . .

|>If it had been your son on that boat, Tom, would you have still written
|>those same words?

|>Happily, young Subaru sailed into San Francisco yesterday. Engine
|>trouble prevented him from charging his batteries, thus the reason
|>for no communications.

|>Jeff KH2PZ / KH6

Jeff, I hear that those Subaru engines ARE a problem if you put them in the
water! Now what the heck does this have to do with homebrew radios?

Brian Carling, AF4K / G3XLQ
[e-mail]
http://www.mnsinc.com/bry = MEGALIST + HOCKEY + HAM RADIO = Bry's Page!



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Matthew Francey)
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:

>No, AX25 serves a real purpose. It forms the MAC (Media Access Control)
>layer for the upper layers. Here are some of the things it does.

I'll re-order these slightly, though keep the same numbers:

>1) It provides the CS part of CSMA by holding off transmission when
>   another carrier is sensed on the channel.
>
>3) It provides the Txd to handle transmitter and receiver settling times.
>
>4) It provides a way to avoid repeated collisions through its p-persist
>   and slottime parameters.

But these are channel-access issues;  the radios and low-level
interfaces deal with this.  At this point, the packet is yet
another bag-o-bits to squeeze out the radio and nothing more.

>2) It provides the leading flags needed to synchronize the HDLC clocks.
>
>7) It offers a checksum for initial packet validation, thus minimizing
>   the CPU time required to discard a faulty packet. (Otherwise the
>   packet would have to traverse layers all the way up to TCP before
>   being validated.)
>
>8) It also offers the ability to discard packets which aren't addressed
>   to the hardware address (call sign) of your station, again reducing
>   wasted CPU time.

Technically, I suppose this is correct since the AX.25 specifications go
on about HDLC and the sort.  But HDLC is almost a channel thing too --
just another way of recognizing that a packet is there.

>5) It provides the hardware addresses in its header to which logical
>   IP addresses are mapped (via ARP). (Hardware and logical addresses
>   must be separate if multiple protocols are to be supported.)
>
>6) Its PID byte allows multiple higher level protocols to co-exist
>   to/from the same hosts, simultaneously.

When you get down to it, this is really *all* that wrapping an AX.25 envelope
around IP packets does.

Well, that, and in the United States, keeping millions of hams out of jail. :-
)

>[VC mode] [...] I'd suggest its use be avoided today.

I'd go farther and suggest that use of UI AX.25 frames ought to be avoided.
This because the UI frames are not acknowledged or re-transmitted, etc, one
is implicitly depending on the higher level protocols (eg, TCP) to perform
these functions.

This is a mistake, as anyone who has tried to run TCP over a non-outstanding
AX.25 radio link knows all too well -- TCP stands a good chance of backing
off to infinity or two minutes (whichever is shorter), and throughput drops
to almost zero.  This is not a bug in TCP, but rather a TCP design feature
(good behaviour on congested networks) that conflicts badly with typical
amateur radio reality.

[Actually, it is not limited to amateur radio -- other wireless networks suffe
r
the same problem.  For one proposed, but alas not too useful, solution to
this call up altavista and do a search on "Snoop Protocol".]

IMHO what is needed is a new link-layer that provides:

        a) items (5) and (6), given above.

        b) non-connectionless, low-overhead, frame retransmission

        c) some measure of FEC to keep (b) from being invoked often.

        d) anti-HTS -- how many more years must the chaos continue??

        e) slim-and-trim headers -- bit-hack to the extreme (though within
           reason), so the protocol can be used relatively painlessly on
           on both slow-speed and very high-speed channels.

and maybe,

        f) zlib data compression (dictionary generation/selection would
           be an interesting problem).

Since this here newsgroup is intended as a forum on miscellaneous digital
issues in amateur radio, perhaps some discussion on this will ensue?
--
Matthew Francey | VE3RQX | NAD27: N43o40.663' W079o18.519' +0130m


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:14 1996
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Coffman
) writes:

>VC mode, IE AX25 connected mode, basically duplicates the TCP transport
>function, and is usually just an undesirable overhead in a network where
>all switches support TCP/IP.

Note that X.25 does it the same way, and the ISO folks also tend to
have connection-oriented service repeated at each and every level.

Of course, today it is considered inefficient.  But it certainly wasn't
an amateur invention.

Rob
--
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
| Rob Janssen       [e-mail] | WWW: http://www.knoware.nl/users/rob |
| AMPRnet:       [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <525i9h$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Paul KeinΣnen) writes:
>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>>No, AX25 serves a real purpose. It forms the MAC (Media Access Control)
>>layer for the upper layers. Here are some of the things it does.
>
>>1) It provides the CS part of CSMA by holding off transmission when
>>   another carrier is sensed on the channel.
>
>The attempt to emulate the CSMA/CD of Ethernet does not work very well
>in practice. The CD (Collision Detect) is not even attempted due to
>simplex radios. In Ethernet, the collision is immediately detected and
>the random wait can start immediately. In AX.25, you have to wait for
>the timeout of the missing Ack. The CS (Carrier Sense) part does not
>work very well due to the hidden transmitter problem, thus, the access
>control part falls apart very badly. I tried to introduce some simple
>questions about the hidden transmitter problem into the Novice and
>Communicator class question pool, which is under construction here in
>Finland, but the questions were rejected as too complicated :-)

The CS part works just fine if you deal with the hidden transmitter
problem, *which you should*. The easiest topology to do that is a
digital repeater for the LAN. CD will even work if the users are
duplex too, though that isn't the usual case. CD is nice, but it
isn't nearly as important as CS. And you can make CS work. Trunks
between LANs should be engineered to be non-contending, so the
problem doesn't even arise there.

>>2) It provides the leading flags needed to synchronize the HDLC clocks.
>
>>3) It provides the Txd to handle transmitter and receiver settling times.
>
>The Txd and the lack of real collision detect drastically drops the
>throughput of a channel.

Txd and flags are needed on any shared channel. There's no way to keep
the HDLC clocks of a group of stations synchronized to each other tightly
enough to not require a burst of flags at the start of a particular
station's transmission to regain synchronization at the receiving station.
And on any shared channel, transmitters have to be turned on and off in
order to allow other stations to use the channel. That implies a settling
time at key up which the protocol must allow for by delaying start of
data transmission. CD is not essential if the network properly allows
CS. The window of vulnerability to collisions is narrowed dramatically
in a properly engineered network which allows CS to work, and which
employ's the p-persist mechanism to reduce to negligible the chance
of repeated collisions in those relatively rare cases where two stations
key up at exactly the same time.

>>4) It provides a way to avoid repeated collisions through its p-persist
>>   and slottime parameters.
>
>If all stations could hear each other.

If they can't, *FIX THE PROBLEM*! If you have an RF problem, fix *IT*!
Don't go off and fix something else which isn't broken. The packet
protocol is intended to allow sharing of an RF channel, but it is
*not* intended to compensate for poor RF path engineering.

If you have a hidden transmitter on your LAN, find the offending HT,
take it to a crossroads at midnight, and drive a wooden stake through
its black heart.

Or alternatively, if you can't rid the channel of idiots inappropriately
trying to use HTs for packet, then install a digital repeater so that
they *can* be heard by all the other stations on the LAN anyway.

This is an RF engineering issue, no different from the one voice users
face, and the proper way to solve it is the same way voice users do.
If you must run simplex, require stations to be adequate to actually
be heard by all the other stations. Otherwise, put in a repeater so that
they can be heard anyway. It's that simple.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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Alex VonYonkers  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>But when they can-t (sic) use THEIR equipment to call in for a pizza
>there in no (sic) much incentive to build new infrastructures
>on top of the aging ALOHA.

"Aging hello"? Never heard of that before.
KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (cathryn)
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In article <51p8oe$[e-mail]>, Alex VonYonkers wrote:
>next generation of HAMS. We need to grow the previousely
>stated %2 of REAL Amateurs to as much possible. But
>when they can-t use THEIR equipment to call in for a pizza
>there in no much incentive to build new infrastructures
>on top of the aging ALOHA.

I tend to agree with this.  My opinion is that the 'no business
' rule on ham radio is overly stringently defined.  I don't
want to see commercial businesses on the ham bands, but I think
some lightening up would allow us to do more cool stuff.
I've heard so much anal retentive rules lawyering on ham radio
to make me comatose.

>We need the equivalent of the IBM to generate and build
>universal standars and hardware and we need the equivalent
>of Microsoft to help us be better users of the system.

I see the lack of standards and of cool new stuff as an
opportunity more than a problem.  I think the problem is
more organizational.  If you do a new communication technology
you need more people doing it.  Know what I mean?  Who wants
to build a 110K baud packet if there's no one else to talk to.

Most exotic ham radio technology has to take place on microwaves
where the bandwidth is, so it's even more important to have
a buddy close by who you can work with.  I don't think it takes
that many.  I guess if you have 4 or 5 people doing say, ATV or
high speed packet in an area once a week, then you could get
others to start building boards.

I'm not an expert on what it takes on the radio side, but it seems
to me that the problem is mainly getting the bandwidth.  If we
had a transciever that was pretty much like any other box we have
now, but could transmit signals of higher bandwidth, wouldn't that
provide a bedrock for all kinds of interesting experimentation.




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues ++
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In article <[e-mail]> cathryn@jung
levision.junglevision.com (cathryn) writes:
>In article <51p8oe$[e-mail]>, Alex VonYonkers wrote:
>>next generation of HAMS. We need to grow the previousely
>>stated %2 of REAL Amateurs to as much possible. But
>>when they can-t use THEIR equipment to call in for a pizza
>>there in no much incentive to build new infrastructures
>>on top of the aging ALOHA.
>
>I tend to agree with this.  My opinion is that the 'no business
>' rule on ham radio is overly stringently defined.  I don't
>want to see commercial businesses on the ham bands, but I think
>some lightening up would allow us to do more cool stuff.
>I've heard so much anal retentive rules lawyering on ham radio
>to make me comatose.

The FCC has recently relaxed the content rules. I'm satisfied
with the new rules. They couldn't be much more free without
having to allow for profit business activity on the amateur
bands.

>>We need the equivalent of the IBM to generate and build
>>universal standars and hardware and we need the equivalent
>>of Microsoft to help us be better users of the system.
>
>I see the lack of standards and of cool new stuff as an
>opportunity more than a problem.  I think the problem is
>more organizational.  If you do a new communication technology
>you need more people doing it.  Know what I mean?  Who wants
>to build a 110K baud packet if there's no one else to talk to.

Bingo! We do *not* need an IBM ramming a crippled architecture
down our throats, and we do *not* need a Microsloth foisting
bloated and inefficient software down our throats, GUI GUI GAH!
The consequence of setting standards too early is that we're left
dealing with legacy systems and hardware and software that has to
be backward compatible for decades. That kind of thing we do not
need. Digital radio is still rapidly evolving. We do not want to
shackle it to legacy standards too early.

People are the critical resource. That's dead on the money.
Networking is 90% a people organizational effort and 10% a
technical development effort. Both are necessary, of course,
but without a critical mass of users, hardware development
alone is of little use.

>Most exotic ham radio technology has to take place on microwaves
>where the bandwidth is, so it's even more important to have
>a buddy close by who you can work with.  I don't think it takes
>that many.  I guess if you have 4 or 5 people doing say, ATV or
>high speed packet in an area once a week, then you could get
>others to start building boards.
>
>I'm not an expert on what it takes on the radio side, but it seems
>to me that the problem is mainly getting the bandwidth.  If we
>had a transciever that was pretty much like any other box we have
>now, but could transmit signals of higher bandwidth, wouldn't that
>provide a bedrock for all kinds of interesting experimentation.

I think the really exotic stuff will come on HF. That's the most
challenging radio environment. In terms of raw speed, the microwave
bands are where it is at, but speed is easy in a strong signal
gaussian noise environment like point to point microwave. There
is very little which is challenging there. It is point and shoot.

I think that the RF front end and the digital back end have to
be quite tightly coupled for best performance. Thus I think that
RF modems rather than "digital ready" radios are the direction
we need to take. Certainly we can do generic I/Q transmitters,
but generic I/Q *receivers* for high rate data are quite a different
thing.  We still need analog filters at an IF tailored for the
particular signal design to get the performance we need for high
rate signals.

For the lower rates possible at HF, DSP already allows us to
directly process the I/Q signals, but not yet for high rate
modulations. Economical DSP is sneaking up on 56 kb, and I
would expect that to be practical shortly, but T1 and above,
that's going to be a while. So we'll have to brute force that
the old fashioned way for quite a while longer. Fortunately,
that's pretty easy, and we have bandwidth to burn at the
microwaves. We can even use plain old wide shift FSK.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:21 1996
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman
) writes:
>In article <51pf8j$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) w
rites:
>>"Aging hello"? Never heard of that before.
>>KH2PZ
>
>Why am I not surprised? Aloha is a channel sharing technique first
>developed by ARPA in the 1970s, and is used in VHF amateur packet
>networks. Aloha is a simple technique to implement, but offers only
>20% of a fully loaded channel's capacity before congestive collapse
>sets in. It is thus well suited to simple low loading networks, but
>fails when network loading increases above the critical threshold.
>

Actually Gary, as I pointed out to Jeff in my reply to his rediculous
comment, ALOHA was developed at the U of Hawaii and first used to link
computers between the islands on a UHF link ... seems to me the first
CPUs were PDP-8s if memory serves me correctly.

Jeff either:

a) is compeletely unaware of the history of wireless digital networking,

or

b) trolling again, since HIS domain is <hawaii.edu>

I'm not sure which of the above I'd put my money on, but past history
causes me to lean towards "a" ...

73,
Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:22 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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In article <527oj5$[e-mail]>,
Jeffrey Herman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Dana Myers <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Jeffrey Herman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>Alex VonYonkers  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>>>But when they can-t (sic) use THEIR equipment to call in for a pizza
>>>>there in no (sic) much incentive to build new infrastructures
>>>>on top of the aging ALOHA.
>
>>>"Aging hello"? Never heard of that before.
>
>>That's a hoot.  Norman Abramson at the University of Hawaii (ever
>>heard of that place?)
>
>Oh, you mean that seven-campus system with 45,000 students and 2000 faculty?

Well, I've never even been to Hawaii and I know about ALOHA, so
you can kindly save the excuses.

>>developed something called ALOHA in the 1970s,
>>which really was the original packet radio network.
>>If you're interested in making informed comments on the topic,
>>I suspect your library at the school there has plenty of info,
>>probably even all of the papers that were published.
>
>Not interested at all. What interests me are HF modes in which real-
>time two-way communications can take place.

If I read you correctly, you're not interested in making informed
comments about packet radio.  Therefore, it probably is a waste of
time to even try to have a discussion with you.  However, packet is
a perfectly viable mode for real-time two-way communications - I've
done it several times myself.

>What's the average delivery time for a packet message to go from
>originator to addressee, say between the East and West Coasts?

I dunno.  I know that when I connect to the East coast from the West
coast on packet, there's no more delay than when I work the East
coast on CW, which is an apples to apples comparison.  How long does
it take the automated CW nets to send messages? ;-)

Never mind, since you're not interested in making informed comments
on the topic.

--
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 * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as     *
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rich McAllister)
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In article <527oj5$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wr
ites:

> Dana Myers <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >Jeffrey Herman <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>Alex VonYonkers  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>>on top of the aging ALOHA.
> >>"Aging hello"? Never heard of that before.
> >That's a hoot.  Norman Abramson at the University of Hawaii (ever
> >heard of that place?)
> >developed something called ALOHA in the 1970s,

>
> Oh, you mean that seven-campus system with 45,000 students and 2000 faculty?
>

Yeah, that's why they developed it, they needed a way for the students
and faculty on the other islands to use the computer on Oahu. (I think
Gary's wrong here, and ARPA had nothing to do with it -- UofH built it
because they *needed* it.)

> Not interested at all. What interests me are HF modes in which real-
> time two-way communications can take place.

Anybody know what frequencies the original AlohaNet used?  I had
a copy of the paper, but I don't seem to be able to find it.
[Abramson, N.  The Aloha system.  AFIPS Conf. Proc., Vol. 37, 1970
FJCC, AFIPS Press, Montvale, NJ, pp. 281-285.]
AlohaNet certainly did real-time two-way communications, and I wonder
if they used HF?  I don't believe all the Hawaiian islands are
line of sight from each other.
--
Rich McAllister, KO6CL, [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:25 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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Dana Myers <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Jeffrey Herman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Alex VonYonkers  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>>But when they can-t (sic) use THEIR equipment to call in for a pizza
>>>there in no (sic) much incentive to build new infrastructures
>>>on top of the aging ALOHA.

>>"Aging hello"? Never heard of that before.

>That's a hoot.  Norman Abramson at the University of Hawaii (ever
>heard of that place?)

Oh, you mean that seven-campus system with 45,000 students and 2000 faculty?

>developed something called ALOHA in the 1970s,
>which really was the original packet radio network.
>If you're interested in making informed comments on the topic,
>I suspect your library at the school there has plenty of info,
>probably even all of the papers that were published.

Not interested at all. What interests me are HF modes in which real-
time two-way communications can take place.

What's the average delivery time for a packet message to go from
originator to addressee, say between the East and West Coasts?

Jeff KH2PZ / KH6




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:26 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Sergio A. Monteiro)
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Subject: Baypac 1  &  16550  UARTs ?
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>
> Date: 16 Sep 1996 06:22:57 GMT
> From: [e-mail] (Bradley T. Banko)
> Subject: Baypac 1 & 16550 UARTs?
>
> I just upgraded my motherboard from an older 486DX-40 system with old
> BIOS to a newer system with an AMD 5x86-133 processor, and now my Baypac
> 1 modem isn't working properly with Baycom 1.5 software.
>
> Has anybody else had this problem?  The software works for about 60I had the
 same problem when change to an AMD 5x86-133 with a new
motherboard.
In the Baycom site(when it was working, 2 months ago) they say the
trouble was linked to a software problem and the 16550 UARTs.
They sugest to use a common IDE for the COM1/2 and not the I/O
connection of the new motherboard.
As a alternative you can stay with the COM1/2 connected to the
motherboard's I/O, install an adictional IDE, configurated as COM3/4.
Naturally this will work  with Baycom 1.6. The v1.5 is compactible
only with COM1/2 (Or can it operate in COM3/4??)

Sergio PY3BAM



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:27 1996
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From: Bob Doyle <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: BPSK modulation techniques??
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Andrew Gareth Nilsson wrote:
>
> I was wondering if someone can provide me with pointers(or actual info) on
> how to generate a BPSK signal at VHF frequencies at reasonably datarates.
> The proposed frequency is about 131--132Mhz and datarates 19k2 upwards
> (probably more upwards than 19k2).
> (Ok I know generating BPSK is trivial but I would like to have a look at
> few circuits which other people are using.)
>
> Basically I want to feed this into a 1296 transvertor so it comes out
> around 1284Mhz. This is very similar to the RUDAK user terminal suggested
> before RUDAK on AO13 died except for the higher data rates.
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
> Andrew VK6JBL

One simple way to generate BPSK is to use a double balanced diode mixer
(Mini Circuits is one good supplier).  Drive the IF port with the
modulation signal, connect the RF port to input signal, and connect the
LO port to the output.

You will need a mixer that the frequency range of the IF port includes
DC -- which many do.  A positive polarity applied to the IF port yields
one phase and a negative polarity yields the other phase.  Also, because
you are biasing the internal diodes with the modulation, remember to
current limit the modulation signal to a few milliamperes.

If you stare at the schematic of the mixer, you will convince yourself
that when a positive polarity signal is applied to the IF port, the two
transformers are connected together with one phasing; and, when a
negative polarity signal is applied to the IF port, the two transformers
are connected with the opposite phasing, thus the 180 degree phase
shift.

I've used this technique for modulation up into the microwave
frequencies.  Remember to band pass filter the output signal, it has a
very wide bandwidth.

Bob.
WA3TGF


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:28 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
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Subject: Bulletin Export Files Available
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Hello, Folks:

I now have Packet Bulletin Export Files available on my Home Page.

The files are split by distribution group. I now have the following
available: ALLUSA, WW, EU, CANADA, ARRL, AMSAT, and NASA. Others may
be added as needed.

Files will be posted daily and should be online after about Noon
Central Time.

Just point your Netscape 3.0 or MS Inetrnet Explorer 3.0 browser at:

   http://www.trucom.com/ppages/marty

and go to the Amateur Radio area. The rest should be clear to all.

NOTE: New export files by distribution are being added almost daily!
Many thanks to all who are sending me their BBS exprts via attached
E-Mail for inclusion!

Take Care & 73



Marty Albert - [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:31 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Joel E. Davis)
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In article <51efhs$[e-mail]> [e-mail](Gerald Sch
mitt ) writes:
>From: [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt )
>Subject: Re: BULLETIN: 14 Year Old Sailor Not Heard in 3 Weeks
>Date: 14 Sep 1996 14:30:20 GMT

>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Thomas G. McWilliams)
>writes:
>>
>>Ed Mitchell ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>: 14 year old Subaru Takahashi is making a solo crossing of the
>Pacific Ocean
>>: from Japan to the United States - in a 30 foot yacht. According to
>Masa
>>: Sakamoto, KN6RJ, Subaru, who's call sign is JH0YCG, has not been
>heard since
>>: August 18th.
>>
>>Most probably, Master Subaru sleeps with the fishes.
>>Talking to a dead man on ham radio--now that would be some DX!
>>But what a great QSL card . . .
>>

>Boy Tom you are some piece of work; the guys asks for help and this is
>what you come up with. What ever happened to the amateur service
>creedo. You know Sakamoto san's family could just easily read this,
>talk about ugly Americans. You sir are an embarassment to the hobby.

The saying is "..takes all kinds" .Is'nt that a shame?




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Datagram vs Connected (was: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:07:01 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
 writes:

>Hop by hop acknowledgements could have another value if they
>were communicated to the network as a measure of link quality,
>however. That way the network routers could divert packets
>around that faulty path and flag it for maintenence attention.
>(Netrom addresses this issue after a fashion.)

My version of the NET software measures the link quality using an
independent mechanism (periodic transmission of a sequence-numbered
datagram and bookkeeping of the missing sequence numbers to find the
percentage of successfull transmissions.  It dynamically switches
between the use of UI frames and an AX.25 VC based on the outcome of
this measurement, independently for each hop in the network.

Thus, when the link works well it uses UI frames for efficiency, when
there is a high loss rate it switches back to VC to get something trough.

And yes, it detects re-transmitted TCP segments before putting them
in the VC queue, so that there won't be a TCP re-transmission queued
before the first attempt had a chance to go to the other side.
(also in the intermediate routers)


So, it IS possible to arrive at a well working compromise solution, it
just requires a bit more attention.

Rob
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:33 1996
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From: Phil Karn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Datagram vs Connected (was: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:54:46 -0700
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Gary Coffman wrote:

> I hear what you're saying, Brian. But ARQ is a *backup* procedure,
> and like any backup procedure, you hope you never need it, and do
> everything you can to avoid needing it. Those "aggressive" VC link
> retries just clog the channel. The better solution is to deal with
> the underlying physical layer problem.

Yes. ARQ is indeed a stopgap.

ARQ is good at taking a low error rate and making it essentially zero.
But it's terrible at high error rates. A much better approach is to
add forward error correction at the physical layer that reduces the
error rate to where ARQ can operate efficiently.

Depending on the FEC code chosen, during normal operation there may
be some residual errors. Or the decoder may produce either perfect
data or nothing at all if the channel is blocked or broken.

An example of the former is a Viterbi-decoded
convolutional code by itself, and examples of the latter are
sequentially decoded convolutional codes with long
constraint lengths, and concatenated Reed-Solomon/Viterbi
combinations. Depending on the channel characteristics you may or
may still want an ARQ protocol at the link layer to
mop up the residual errors, but this is decidedly optional; as long
as the error rate is low enough for TCP to perform well, there's
no need to make it zero.

As an aside, a concatenated RS/Viterbi decoder is used in DSS
(DirecTV/USSB). That's why the system usually works perfectly or
not at all. If you slowly move your hand in front of the feed,
the picture tends to remain perfect until it suddenly freezes. That's
because the BER curve of the concatenated code is extremely steep.
This is characteristic of all strong codes.

Phil


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From: [e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth)
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On Sun, 22 Sep 1996 21:45:18 GMT, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
> VC retries remind me of the
>slogan over the workbench which reads, "Why is there never time
>to do the job right, but always time to do it over?"
>
and over and over and over and over...

Here in Ct we've tried VC on link circuits where there are no 'users' to speak
of and the RF path was marginal. It helped, once in a while as long as there w
as
no serious volume of traffic. As soon as the traffic volume came up, the link
just beat itself to death. There is no substitute for having a physical layer
that works.

-be


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:35 1996
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Jack L. Reed) wrote:
>
> Anyone know where I can get a kit for a digital volt meter and
> /or a ditigal amp meter for 12 Volt dc model train layout ???

You won't get a 'kit' but you can get a DMM module. What exactly do you
want?

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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:36 1996
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:37 1996
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From: "Curtis W. Myers" <[e-mail]>
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J Dyer wrote:
>
> My 8 year old pk-232 is ready to be retired to vhf only. I
> haven't seen much discussion of the DSP-232. How does it stack up
> on HF.
>
> Thanks
> John AE5B*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*
Hi John,
Forget the DSP232 for now.  I bought one 3 mos ago (what a mistake.)
It has been back at AEA for repairs.  Have heard nothing from them.
Stick with the PK232 'till they get bugs worked out (if ever)
73 de Curt WA2JSG



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:38 1996
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From: Jean-Luc BARRAUD <[e-mail]>
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Curtis W. Myers wrote:
>
> J Dyer wrote:
> >
> > My 8 year old pk-232 is ready to be retired to vhf only. I
> > haven't seen much discussion of the DSP-232. How does it stack up
> > on HF.
> >
> > Thanks
> > John AE5B*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*
> Hi John,
> Forget the DSP232 for now.  I bought one 3 mos ago (what a mistake.)
> It has been back at AEA for repairs.  Have heard nothing from them.
> Stick with the PK232 'till they get bugs worked out (if ever)
> 73 de Curt WA2JSG

        Waow ! I was ready to buy one, it could replace my old (and VERY
customized)
PK232 AND my PSK TNC-24. I'm frozen by your remark !

      73's de Jean-Luc F1JEK


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:39 1996
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From: Glen Menendez KD4EQI <[e-mail]>
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> > J Dyer wrote:
> > >
> > > My 8 year old pk-232 is ready to be retired to vhf only. I
> > > haven't seen much discussion of the DSP-232. How does it stack up
> > > on HF.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > John AE5B*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*
> > Hi John,
> > Forget the DSP232 for now.  I bought one 3 mos ago (what a mistake.)
> > It has been back at AEA for repairs.  Have heard nothing from them.
> > Stick with the PK232 'till they get bugs worked out (if ever)
> > 73 de Curt WA2JSG
>

Well, here's my 2 cents.  I purchased a DSP232 about a month ago and I
love it.  I've never seen anything that could dig a signal out of the
noise on HF like it does.  It really does a fantastic job in my
opinion.  Admittedly, it does have a few bugs (I have version 1.0
firmware).  However, I wrote to AEA telling them my impressions, good
and bad, and in less than two weeks I received a personal letter from
them saying that a new (hopefully) 'bug-free' release is on the way in
about thirty days.  ( Free of charge, of course.)  They seem to really
stand behind their products.  As is, the DSP232 is a very good data
controller.  With the next release, I'm sure it will be great.

73's de KD4EQI  Glen Menendez

***************************


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:40 1996
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From: Bob Nielsen <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Help!  Where is Baycom 1.6
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Mike wrote:
>
> I recently bought a baycom and only have the 1.5a software for it.  Where
> can I get the 1.6 software?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.

You can buy it from a licensed Baycom distributor, such as PacComm.
It ain't freeware!

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From: [e-mail] (Mike)
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I recently bought a baycom and only have the 1.5a software for it.  Where
can I get the 1.6 software?

Thanks in advance for any help.

TTYL,
Mike


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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Davis)
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Subject: Re: Help! Where is Baycom 1.6
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[e-mail] (Mike) writes:

>I recently bought a baycom and only have the 1.5a software for it.  Wher

>can I get the 1.6 software?

>Thanks in advance for any help.

>TTYL,
>Mike

======
Get out your checkbook.
Baycom 1.6 is a commercial program.
Get in contact with the advertisers in the magazines
who sell the Baycom modems.





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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:43 1996
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From: j0d4@I_should_put_my_domain_in_etc_NNTP_INEWS_DOMAIN (Johan Martinsson)
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Hi!
Does anybody have a block scheme for a high-speed transreciever? For speeds
around 9600bps. I'd really liked to build one..

Joda




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Anyone know ho to hookup the 1278-B to the HTX-202? Detailed info?
Ideas?



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Matthew Francey)
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[e-mail] (Rob Janssen) writes:

>Yes, our license conditions specify the use of AX.25 address headers
>with the real callsigns of source and destination in ASCII in them.
>(i.e. no IDENTS, no fake callsigns on node downlinks)

Gosh.  Are there similar restrictions on developing and fielding possible
improvements in the commercial arena?  [Just curious;

>There is no need to save on address header length, this is not where
>efficiency or link throughput is lost.  At least not at reasonable bitrates.

Well, I guess I have to ask: what is "reasonable"?

>When a new link layer addressing scheme is devised, PLEASE DON'T MAKE THE
>SAME MISTAKE OF "ANY AMATEUR CALLSIGN IS 6 ALPHANUMERIC CHARACTERS OR LESS"
>AGAIN!

This is an argument for tossing the idea of encoding a callsign into
every single packet that gets transmitted.  Somehow assign a "unique"
random bit string as the address to each station and use that
instead.  Identification is via an frame which makes the connection
between this bit string and the complete callsign, however long it may be.
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:49 1996
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Matthew Francey wrote:

> >SSIDs
>
> These can be ditched, since they are unnecessary for link purposes.
> The higher-level protocols can implement them (eg, TCP port numbers).

Except when there are several stations on the same channel using the
same callsign.

> >>      [compression]
> >
> >I think data compression is better left to the application or presentation
> >layer, but I'm willing to consider placing it lower in the hierarchy.

Experience with GZIP at the application layer vs Stac and other schemes
above PPP show
that compression really does belong at the application layer, at least
when the application
is a long stream. Application layer compression is now so common as to
make link layer
compression almost superfluous. Images are almost always compressed at
the application layer
with GIF or JPEG, and large files and archives are almost always
compressed with gzip
and pkzip or equivalent. And interactive streams are now easily
compressed on the fly
with ssh -C (just turn off the encryption if you're operating over a ham
radio link).

Phil


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References: <[e-mail]> <51hfct$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Matthew Francey) writes:

>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:

>>US amateurs are not required to use AX25 unless they are participating
>>in an unattended automatic message forwarding network.

>Oh!  Are there any places that actually mandate AX.25 no ifs-ands-or-buts?

Yes, our license conditions specify the use of AX.25 address headers
with the real callsigns of source and destination in ASCII in them.
(i.e. no IDENTS, no fake callsigns on node downlinks)

They don't bother what is sent in the data portion of the packets.
(so IP in AX.25 is legal)

>>The bulk of the header overhead is in the 12 octets of physical address
>>information for origninator and receipient. I don't see a realistic way
>>of assigning unique physical addresses in less than 6 octets.

>Six characters taken from A-Z,0-9,space can be packed into 32 bits
>via a base-37 encoding.  Two of those plus a PID is 9 bytes.  If the
>PID need only be 4 bits, and some 'restrictions' placed on the callsign,
>then one can achieve an 8 byte header.  No matter what the scheme, some
>escape mechanism (special PID value?) could be added to cover weird callsigns
.

There is no need to save on address header length, this is not where
efficiency or link throughput is lost.  At least not at reasonable bitrates.

When a new link layer addressing scheme is devised, PLEASE DON'T MAKE THE
SAME MISTAKE OF "ANY AMATEUR CALLSIGN IS 6 ALPHANUMERIC CHARACTERS OR LESS"
AGAIN!
CEPT-style callsigns of persons operating abroad are up to 9 characters
and include a slash, and many other examples of longer callsigns are
available.

Rob
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| Rob Janssen       [e-mail] | WWW: http://www.knoware.nl/users/rob |
| AMPRnet:       [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:51 1996
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From: Hugh Pearson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Motorola Micor 9600baud Mods -- Wanted
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 09:52:31 -0400
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To: Jim Kusznir <[e-mail]>

Jim Kusznir wrote:
>
> I am looking for mods to allow me to use my Motorola Micor (UHF) w/ my
> 9600baud TNC on the local 9k6 packet freq.  So far, I have been
> unsucessful finding them.  Any help greatly appreaciated.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> --
> 73 de Jim Kusznir, KE6DWM
>
> [e-mail] (Primary Internet)
> ke6dwm@wa6ybn.#soca.ca.usa.noam (Ametuar Radio Packet System only)
> [e-mail] (currently running at 1200 baud, unfortuantely)

Jim,

I've had good results with a Micor mobile by injecting the 9600 baud tx
into the Micor's DPL input and picking the receive directly off of the
discriminator.

Let me know if you need more detailed info.

73's,

Hugh, KB4IZF

--
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:52 1996
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From: "Arno Rettenbacher" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Need HELP with PR-Internet Gateway
Date: 26 Sep 1996 13:14:36 GMT
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Hi u all out there, I also put this letter - tranlated to English -  into
a U.S. newsgroup, 'cause I am afraid, HAM's here in Germany/Austria aren't
able to answer me the following questions:

How can i connect my Packet radio PC (running under WIN95, Linux also
possible) at home to the Internet PC (WIN95 Client to the University novell
server) at my university? I'm working in the university of Innsbruck, i
have there my own PC, my own IP adress and my PC there is online 24 hours a
day: what is my greatest desire: connecting my home PC to the Internet PC
at my university office: only about 3 miles apart! Phone costs are too
much, i do not want to pay any longer to our telecom so high phone bills
(about 350 $ per month only for being connected sometimes to my office PC
!!!!), only for being connected to my office internet pc via a normal
tcp/ip phone line! I am a radioamateur, why not use the resources I'm
allowed to do? The problem is, i do not have so much time, so i am
interested in experienced and ready solutions, so please tell me:

for the 3 miles connection Internet PC ( TCP/IP only)
<-> Packet Radio PC (AX.25, TCP/IP ?) what do i need ??

A) Hardware: for a connection with a minimum of about 14400 bps, what u
think is better: 2m or 70 cm or something else? A monoband or duoband
(2m/70cm)?
Which 2 modems should i use/buy(where/how to get it- Austria is not a good
place for buying good modems) ?

B) Which Software should i use, i heard about NOS or something like that,
should i do it with dos, windows(3.x, NT or WIN95 ?) or even Linux, where
can i get the newest versions, documentations, with which modems does this
software cooperate etc etc ??
Remember, i'm not so experienced, so i can install a programm that can run
without great problems, but i'm not the typical "Linux Hacker" that i can
do all by myself (if so i probably had already my own gateway :) )!

You know, for a beginner it's very hard to get
acquainted with all that stuff, it's very hard to surf through all the
packet pages, but nowhere i could find right answers to my questions, but i
think there somewhere somebody, who already got the solution for my problem
and can help me in making an Internet Gateway for PR, and this twice (at
home and my office in University)

So then, you would make me very very happy, if u could give some good tips,
thanks alot for reading this long message

Arno Stefan Rettenbacher
Callsign OE7RAI

--
Arno Stefan Rettenbacher
UNIVERSIT─T INNSBRUCK
email: [e-mail]





From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Adam van Gaalen PA2AGA)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: NET_Mac2.3.61.sea.hqx.text
Date: 25 Sep 96 10:09:13 GMT
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Originator: [e-mail]

                                          The Netherlands, September 25, 1996.
Hello dear reader,

NET/Mac v2.3.61 was born...

For those who don't know NET/Mac...   NET/Mac is the application that
supports TCP/IP over packet-radio, which means, that hamradio operators
can use NET/Mac for their wireless TCP/IP network...

In this version of NET/Mac the following mods/features were implemented:

- Fixes for AddResMenu() bug in System 7.5.4
- Fixes for AddResMenu() bug in System 7.5.5 and higher
- Modified some Copyright notices

- NET/Mac does NOT support the new Buckmaster CD-ROM's HAMCALL
  database yet... I am trying to convince Buckmaster that I need
  the new data-encryption-method, but as of yet they are not ready
  to release a description of the encoding-algorithm...
  The old CD-ROM's remain fully supported...


This version obsoletes all versions of info-mac/comm/radio-net-mac in
the Sumex-Aim.stanford.edu (and it's mirror-) archives.

It also replaces /pub/mac/_communicatie/_internet/radio_net_mac_23xx.hqx
on ftp.idg.nl.


The new NET/Mac has (hopefully) been uploaded to:

 - oak.oakland.edu, to the directory /pub/hamradio/mac/digital
 - ftp.ucsd.edu, to directory /hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming.
   If it's not there (anymore), then look at /hamradio/packet/tcpip/mac.
 - hamster.business.uwo.ca, to directory /pub/amsoft
 - wa2zkd mirrors UCSD's incoming on his Landline BBS. Ham's w/o ftp
   can call 716-544-1863 or 2645.

NET/Mac will be uploaded to PI1HVH.AMPR.ORG, directory public/mac.

Adam PA2AGA e-mail: [e-mail] for mail to my office and BIG files
                or: [e-mail]      for letters only, NO BIG files here



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dale Heatherington)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: New 56K RF modem
Date: 24 Sep 1996 00:43:39 GMT
Organization: TAC, The Atlanta Connection and Radio.Org
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X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2.5

In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Chikar
a Yamaguchi) writes:
>I would like to buy new 56K RF modem from Paccomm.
>Does anyone teach me some questions.
>
>The old type WA4DSY 56kb RF Modem is needed PI2 interface card. What
>interface card is needed on new type 56kb RF Modem ? If any inetrface
>card except PI2 card is used, does this interface card supported NOS
>(DOS) or Linux ?


It was designed to interface to the PI-2 card with a straight through
15 conductor cable in RS-422 mode. It can also support CMOS mode.

See http://hydra.carleton.ca/info/pi2.html for PI card details.

There are drivers for DOS, OS/2 and Linux.


>
>Which type does the transverter need normal type, or any specified type ?

A "normal" 10 meter IF transverter is required - same as the original modem.
Down East Microwave in Frenchtown NJ (1-908-996-3584) sells suitable transvert
ers.

See http://www.wa4dsy.radio.org/ for more 56K modem info. The link to
this site actually uses the new 56k modems for internet access.


Dale Heatherington WA4DSY
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Swift)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: New Info
Date: 24 Sep 1996 03:44:38 GMT
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Does anyone have a suggestion for a lightweight and small, with a range of
at least 1 mile and with a lot of bandwidth? Any URL's, books, magazines,
etc you could suggest would be very helpful. Am looking for a good setup
for a portable computer I am working on as I want it to have a good radio
network.

--
Weapons Design, Video Games, Web Publishing, Fone Phreaking, Sci Fi
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
                     Michael Swift <[e-mail]>
                        http://flake.org/~swift/
                       Finger for PGP public key.
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Programming, Networking, Hacking, AI, Virtual Reality, Explosives, Virii


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:58 1996
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From: Sean sharkey <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: New Mac Software Site.
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 13:18:23 -0000
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Just to let you all know that I have just opened a new WWW site
where you can download lots and lots of Apple Macintosh Ham Radio
software. Address is


http://www.g0oanint.demon.co.uk/

Have fun and enjoy.

Regards,

Sean.


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:09:59 1996
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From: Doug Little <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: new to packet
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:57:50 -0700
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Just getting into Ham radio. Got my tech last week
Please explain packet radio and sources of info
Thanks'
Doug
KF4MDM


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:10:00 1996
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From: "Eddy van der Heijden" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Packet radio SW using Microsoft TCP/IP stack
Date: 25 Sep 1996 19:46:56 GMT
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Does someone know of packet radio software with uses the Microsoft TCP/IP
protocol stack. This software should provide a TCP/IP connection between
Windows 95 systems using a digital radio.

Please send me information where to find information.

Eddy van der Heijden
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:10:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Packet station on a Zentih minisPORT HD...
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <5214g5$[e-mail]> <521h6k$[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 22:26:48 GMT
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In article <521h6k$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>That isn't the problem....
>
>I found out something.  Until voice I/O makes it into mobile applications,
>typing on a keyboard and watching a Laptop LCD screen is for the VERY
>strong of heart!  It takes a strong constitution to keep the big rig 'tween
>the ditches and keep up a keyboard conversation with an LT.
>
>I do know of touch typists that can do a WONDERFUL job of CW I/O using
>keyboards in a mobile rig bolted to the steering wheel.  However, if you
>think you can read that LCD screen, type and pay attention to driving,
>I'd like to meet you and see you do it...

What you need is a heads up display. You can do this with a transmission
LCD and a projection system. That puts the text right up there on the
windshield so you can still watch where you're going. These things still
cost big bucks, but if you can find some company upgrading to VGA from
the earlier CGA transmission LCDs, then you can often get the old system
for free. CGA is good enough for text. Rigging up a projection system
in the cab can be a challenge, of course. You'll probably want it to
peep out of the sleeper over your shoulder. You'll need a dimmer for
night use.

You can also use a projection TV for CGA text, but you usually can't
get that bright enough to read in daytime. Works Ok at night, though,
and you can watch tapes from your VCR if you get bored with packet.
Don't watch car chase scenes though, that gets too confusing. :-)

Note, this latter may be illegal in some states. They ban TV from
the line of sight of the driver, but they don't mention VDTs,
projection or otherwise. So projecting text is probably Ok, but
watching movies probably isn't.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:10:02 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Packet station on a Zentih minisPORT HD...
Date: 22 Sep 1996 05:09:12 GMT
Organization: DigiPhone Corporation, Bryan/College Station Texas 409-693-8885
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman
) writes:
>In article <521h6k$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>That isn't the problem....
>>
>>I found out something.  Until voice I/O makes it into mobile applications,
>>typing on a keyboard and watching a Laptop LCD screen is for the VERY
>>strong of heart!  It takes a strong constitution to keep the big rig 'tween
>>the ditches and keep up a keyboard conversation with an LT.
>>
>>I do know of touch typists that can do a WONDERFUL job of CW I/O using
>>keyboards in a mobile rig bolted to the steering wheel.  However, if you
>>think you can read that LCD screen, type and pay attention to driving,
>>I'd like to meet you and see you do it...
>
>What you need is a heads up display. You can do this with a transmission
>LCD and a projection system. That puts the text right up there on the
>windshield so you can still watch where you're going. These things still
>cost big bucks, but if you can find some company upgrading to VGA from
>the earlier CGA transmission LCDs, then you can often get the old system
>for free. CGA is good enough for text. Rigging up a projection system
>in the cab can be a challenge, of course. You'll probably want it to
>peep out of the sleeper over your shoulder. You'll need a dimmer for
>night use.
>
>You can also use a projection TV for CGA text, but you usually can't
>get that bright enough to read in daytime. Works Ok at night, though,
>and you can watch tapes from your VCR if you get bored with packet.
>Don't watch car chase scenes though, that gets too confusing. :-)
>
>Note, this latter may be illegal in some states. They ban TV from
>the line of sight of the driver, but they don't mention VDTs,
>projection or otherwise. So projecting text is probably Ok, but
>watching movies probably isn't.
>
>Gary
>--
>Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
>Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp addres
ses
>534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
>Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |

Gary, your posts are some of the most interesting in the pile!  I honestly
never thought about projection image technology.  Gee, that WOULD solve the
reading bit, but...

my touch typing isn't quite that good....  :)

There is a W4 who works 40CW from his private MCI coach.  He is a power
plant engineer for big APU units and spends a lot of time on the road.  I
work him every now and then at 50WPM or so on 40CW.  He uses a keyboard
mounted over the top of the bus wheel.  He is VERY good at it, says he is
faster at night because he isn't tempted to peek at the keyboard.

One night he was in a full QSK QSO with me on 40CW and he noted, QRX
ONE, PSE...    There was a pause, some more CW, another pause, some more
CW and so on, then he resumed fullbore....

I asked him what was going on...  his answer was and I quote....

    "Well, I had to leave the Interstate.  I can type upside down OK, but
      I've never quite learned how to keep up with the keyboard when it
      is sideways in the middle of the turns."

  yeah and at 50WPM at night.....

  no foolin...

  for real...

And I just THOUGHT I was a good CW op....

   :)


//-----------------------------
Mike - W5WQN
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:10:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Traverse)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Setting the time on an AEA PK88
Date: 19 Sep 1996 22:02:25 GMT
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Thanks to all who helped.  I got the info I needed. Thanks again.

--
                                    |  "Ho! Ho! Ho! to the bottle I go
Paul Traverse                       |  To heal my heart and drown my woe.
Radio Call VO1PPT                   |  Rain may fall and wind may blow,
St. John's Newfoundland, Canada     |  And many miles be still to go,
"The Oldest City In North America"  |  But under a tall tree I will lie,
                                    |  And let the clouds go sailing by."
[e-mail]      |
____________________________________| J.R.R. Tolkien, "The Lord of the Rings"



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:10:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Andrew Gareth Nilsson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Standard Tekk radios. How good???
Date: 26 Sep 1996 02:53:26 GMT
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Can someone tell me how good are the standard tekk radios at 9600bd.
Pacomm sells them at a much greater price with the justification that they
have improved the filters in them. Is this an improvement worth having?

Thanks in advance

Andrew VK6JBL




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:10:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Standard Tekk radios. How good???
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Keywords: Tekk
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <52cr76$[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 14:29:49 GMT
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In article <52cr76$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Andrew G
areth Nilsson) writes:
>Can someone tell me how good are the standard tekk radios at 9600bd.
>Pacomm sells them at a much greater price with the justification that they
>have improved the filters in them. Is this an improvement worth having?

The KS900 works fine as is, though you might want to snip out one
capacitor to shorten Txd. The KS960 needs reworked filtering, so it
may be worthwhile to buy it with that already done.

I'd just buy the KS900 direct from TEKK and save the bucks.
The KS960 is *not* an improvement for our purposes.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
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es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:10:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rudi Logghe)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Standard Tekk radios. How good???
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 22:34:51 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

>In article <52cr76$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Andrew
Gareth Nilsson) writes:
>>Can someone tell me how good are the standard tekk radios at 9600bd.
>>Pacomm sells them at a much greater price with the justification that they
>>have improved the filters in them. Is this an improvement worth having?

>The KS900 works fine as is, though you might want to snip out one
>capacitor to shorten Txd. The KS960 needs reworked filtering, so it
>may be worthwhile to buy it with that already done.

>I'd just buy the KS900 direct from TEKK and save the bucks.
>The KS960 is *not* an improvement for our purposes.

And what's your opinion on the new KS-1000 (5W version), which should
be redesigned?

Tnx for advice!


---
Rudi Logghe, ON1JL
http://www.club.innet.be/members/year2138/



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:10:08 1996
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From: "Harry V. Werner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tek scope
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On 17 Sep 1996, DYARNES wrote:

> Does anybody know how I can get a manual for the Tek 453?  Your help or
> info much appreciated.
>
> 73 de David W7AQK
>
Try the following:
Fair Radio Sales Co.
P.O. Box 1105
1016 E. Eureka St.
Lima, Ohio 45802

Tucker (?)

Davilyn (www.davilyn.com)
1-800-235-6222




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:10:09 1996
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From: "Alan K. Adamson" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: WTB: 220mhz transverters
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All,

I am looking for transverters in general, but primarily at 220mhz
trasverters.  A company called Microwave Modules made some a few years
back.  I have a 440mhz version and would like to find some working one.
Again, I am looking for all freqs with a focus on 220mhz.  Please email to
[e-mail] or reply to this posting.  There may be others that
will work the requirement is 10mtrs/220mhz or 10mtrs/other freqs. I need
the downcovert side to be 10mtrs.

Thanks,
Alan K. Adamson
NE1H
Atlanta, GA


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:12:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Matthew Francey)
Subject: Re: Link layer design, was(Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
Sender: [e-mail] (USENET News Administration)
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Phil Karn <[e-mail]> writes:

>> >SSIDs
>>
>> These can be ditched, since they are unnecessary for link purposes.
>> The higher-level protocols can implement them (eg, TCP port numbers).
>
>Except when there are several stations on the same channel using the
>same callsign.

Hm.  Another argument for not encoding the callsign as the link address.
Perhaps a scheme that dynamically assigns these addresses, or more simply
an IPv4 address of the interface without the "44.".
--
Matthew Francey | VE3RQX | NAD27: N43o40.663' W079o18.519' +0130m


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:12:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (gloria medcalf)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: new to packet
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrot
e:

> Just getting into Ham radio. Got my tech last week
> Please explain packet radio and sources of info
> Thanks'
> Doug
> KF4MDM

A Basic Packet Radio FAQ is at:

http://www.acs.ncsu.edu/HamRadio/FAQ/FAQ_Packet.html


A web site that has some articles about packet and other digital modes is:

http://prairie.lakes.com/~medcalf/ztx/

This site also has wiring diagrams for making the cable to connect the
radio to the tnc.

welcome to ham radio

73 gloria ka5ztx


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:12:44 1996
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From: Dave Maciorowski <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: RadioShack HTX242 and HTX202 and packet
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:36:03 -0600
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> David Linwood Pearce ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : Are these radios easy to connect to packet modems, or do they require
> : internal modifications to add a jack and such?

Wiring of 1200 baud packet via the mic/speaker jacks is well-documented
at http://prairie.lakes.com/~medcalf/ztx/

-----
Dave Maciorowski, WA1JHK
Colorado Repeater Association, Inc.
  Serving Colorado with Voice and Data, 6-Meters to 1.2 Gig

Internet: [e-mail] or [e-mail]
CRA:      http://www.rmsd.com/hamradio/cra/


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:12:45 1996
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To: Michael Swift <[e-mail]>

Michael Swift wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a suggestion for a lightweight and small, with a range of
> at least 1 mile and with a lot of bandwidth? Any URL's, books, magazines,
> etc you could suggest would be very helpful. Am looking for a good setup
> for a portable computer I am working on as I want it to have a good radio
> network.

Freewave makes 155.2kbps 900 MHz spread spectrum rf modems.  Visit them
at http://www.freewave.com

-----
Dave Maciorowski, WA1JHK
Colorado Repeater Association, Inc.
  Serving Colorado with Voice and Data, 6-Meters to 1.2 Gig

Internet: [e-mail] or [e-mail]
CRA:      http://www.rmsd.com/hamradio/cra/


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:12:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dabo)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: EMWIN and the MFJ 1278??
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I am attempting to receive EMWIN signals from a transmitter site in
McAlister, OK, using an MFJ-1278 multi-mode data controller.  Does
anyone know how to configure this unit to demod the constant
datastream from an EMWIN broadcast?

Also, if anyone knows of an alternative demodulator (cheap, or
homebrew plans are preferable) that will demod the EMWIN signals,
please help.  I am very interested in getting this data for local
SKYWARN use!

Thanks!

David Black, KC0JB



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:12:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John D. Seney, WD1V,   LeCroy T&M   800.553.2769)
Subject: Macintosh Ham Radio Software List
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On my home page or send me an email requesting same and I can send
it as an attached file - its about 40K of text and up to date.

73,

John D. Seney
http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Link layer design, was(Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Matthew Francey)
 writes:
>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>
>>US amateurs are not required to use AX25 unless they are participating
>>in an unattended automatic message forwarding network.
>
>Oh!  Are there any places that actually mandate AX.25 no ifs-ands-or-buts?

Yes. Some European nations require it, and I think Australia requires
it.

>>Using retries at two different layers requires a layer violation to prevent
>>packet storms, and neither layer violations nor packet storms are good
>>things.
>
>Which layer violation?  Since this is a link thing -- ie, point-to-point,
>not end-to-end -- none of the ARQ stuff should escape the channel over which
>the link is running.  The higher levels protocols would only "see" the
>overhead on the link as a mild form of congestion, and hopefully
>act accordingly.

You can still get packet storms if the link backs up and the higher
level starts sending retries, which get queued behind the first packet
at the link with the faulty path. Even after the path reopens and the
first frame gets through the faulty link and is acknowledged, all the
other retries are still in the link's queue, so they get sent too, and
acks come back from the other end for each of them too. That's a packet
storm. This was particularly bad before TCP went to exponential
back-off.

To avoid this, you need to have a layer violation at the link layer
which recognizes duplicates from the higher layer and deletes them.
This is a layer violation because the higher layer may be sending
the duplicate for a good reason unrelated to link failure. This can
trash a layer 4 connection.

At layer 3 and below, you really want the layers to be stateless
and totally uncaring of the content of the higher layer frames
which they are relaying.

>>Now packet loss due to physical layer problems, IE weak fading channels,
>>excessive multipath, etc, should be addressed at the physical layer
>>by better RF path engineering and/or by better signal design.
>
>Of course this is correct.  But reality intrudes:  crummy sites and/or
>links are the norm, and the number of slow-speed hard-wired modems is
>alarmingly large.

And they'll *stay* that way as long as you can kludge a way to make
them sort of work.

>>SSIDs
>
>These can be ditched, since they are unnecessary for link purposes.
>The higher-level protocols can implement them (eg, TCP port numbers).

Nope, no way. You have to be able to separate the physical addresses
of stations with the same call sign on the same channel. This is very
common. Many amateurs have more than one station.

>>>     [compression]
>>
>>I think data compression is better left to the application or presentation
>>layer, but I'm willing to consider placing it lower in the hierarchy.
>
>I thought this way as well, until I learned that the zlib can absorb a
>dictionary before it begins compressing.  The potential idea is that some
>magic mechanism (probably a "layer violation") somewhere recognizes a
>particular packet type and digs out a well-known dictionary
>appropriate for it.  Or, for the CPU rich, attempt compression with all
>dictionaries and use the best one.

The real problem is that *each* link has to decompress *each* packet
to determine if it is the addressee.  If it is, it then has to do
whatever processing required then *recompress* it before relay. That's
very inefficient and CPU intensive. And since the link is not loss free,
compression methods that work on streams will fail due to missing segments
or duplicated segments received. The overhead to keep all this straight
is as bad as the ordinary overhead up through layer 4, so there's no
need to duplicate that just so you can do compression at the bottom
layer. Do it above layer 4 where the data stream is guaranteed to be
complete and in order, and you only have to do it once for the source
and only have to do decompression once at the destination, not at
every intermediate link.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Standard Tekk radios. How good???
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <52f0tv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>And what's your opinion on the new KS-1000 (5W version), which should
>be redesigned?

I don't have any experience with the KS-1000, so I don't have
any meaningful comments to make about it.

Gary
--
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Sherwin Lim)
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Subject: Connecting IC-W31A and KPC-3??
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 18:06:06 GMT
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I have a KPC-3 tnc and in front of me I have the tnc manual telling me
how to interface the tnc and hand-held radios.

However, I need to know which schematic to look at make the connectors
to my IC-W31A hand-held. Do I use the 2AT style hand-held radio
schematic or the W2A style?

Any help would be appreciated.


thanks,

sherwin, VE7HQT
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Need HELP with PR-Internet Gateway
Date: 28 Sep 1996 18:50:44 GMT
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In article <01bbab9e$cbeb5280$LocalHost@ar>, "Arno Rettenbacher" <Arno.S.Rette
[e-mail]> writes:
|> Hi u all out there, I also put this letter - tranlated to English -  into
|> a U.S. newsgroup, 'cause I am afraid, HAM's here in Germany/Austria aren't
|> able to answer me the following questions:
|>
|> How can i connect my Packet radio PC (running under WIN95, Linux also
|> possible) at home to the Internet PC (WIN95 Client to the University novell
|> server) at my university? I'm working in the university of Innsbruck, i
|> have there my own PC, my own IP adress and my PC there is online 24 hours a
|> day: what is my greatest desire: connecting my home PC to the Internet PC
|> at my university office: only about 3 miles apart!
|>

|> So then, you would make me very very happy, if u could give some good tips,
|> thanks alot for reading this long message
|>
|> Arno Stefan Rettenbacher
|> Callsign OE7RAI
|>
|> --
|> Arno Stefan Rettenbacher
|> UNIVERSIT─T INNSBRUCK
|> email: [e-mail]

Ifear if you address this question to your local PTT you will find that
what you are trying to do is not legal in Austria.  The PTT takes a
very dim view of free competition.

bill   KB3YV (formerly DA1WO)

--
Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves
[e-mail]         |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton   |
Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:17 1996
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From: Randol Williams <[e-mail]>
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Subject: I-phone linking to rptrs?
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I have recently been using the internet phone software on my PC. I have
got to say it has been very interesting so far.  Great DX! :)

I would like to get information on the technical bells and whistles on
the linking of repeaters over the internet/Iphone.

Is the software available on shareware?  What are the hardware
requirements? etc.  I would like references to any publications on the
subject as well.

Please post or e-mail me please.
And it's said that ham radio offers no more challenges. There is always
something different to do with this hobby.
27yrs at it and still loving ham radio!
Tnx all, Transmit happy! (sorry Nissan)

Randy, N7CJE
[e-mail]
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:18 1996
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From: "N. Villacorta" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: KPC-3 & TM-742 problems!
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 21:34:49 -0700
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I've successfully made the cables to hookup my KPC-3 to both computers
and the transceiver (Kenwood 742).

Unfortunately, the RECEIVE light on the TNC always stays on; the TNC
will only receive and not transmit; and I can see all the traffic of the
local packet BBS.

If I change the carrier detect (CD) option in the TNC to "external" the
RECEIVE light turns off; the TNC will transmit, but not receive; and I
cannot see all the traffic of the local packet BBS.

Cany anyone help?

TIA & 73's,
:-) neil
KE6DCJ

reply to: [e-mail]

Kantronics KPC-3 (v.6 of EPROM Software)
Kenwood 742
Macintosh Powerbook140 computer (ZTERM software)
Toshiba 1000 Notebook computer  (Kantronics software)


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] ("Dermot Dobson")
Subject: cable attenuation
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 07:22:55 GMT
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Does anyone happen to have the relative attenuation values handy for RG-8
v LDF250 Heliax at 2.3GHz?

In particular, the relative attenuation 10m of RG-8 v 30m of Heliax.

thanks,

Dermot



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:20 1996
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From: "Stan Huntting" <[e-mail]>
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Set the CD option to SOFTWARE

N. Villacorta <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...

> Unfortunately, the RECEIVE light on the TNC always stays on; the TNC
> will only receive and not transmit; and I can see all the traffic of the
> local packet BBS.

> If I change the carrier detect (CD) option in the TNC to "external" the
> RECEIVE light turns off; the TNC will transmit, but not receive; and I
> cannot see all the traffic of the local packet BBS.

----------------------------------------------
Stan Huntting,    KF0IA
Email:            [e-mail]
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KaWin home page:  http://www.mutadv.com/kawin/
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From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Sherwin Lim)
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Subject: Advice needed about data transfer....
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 17:36:02 GMT
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I am currently on Queen's University at Kingston, ON Solar Vehicle
Team.  We will be racing in Australia sometime next summer.


I need advice to the following problem:


There are a number of pieces of data that we need to be able to either
get at transfer for the
weather guy. We need satellite data, ie. IR and visual photos of
Australia. Unfortunately it does
not seem likely that we will receive our own satellite reception
system. We also need to be able
to communicate with Montreal where Environment Canada will be opening
a window over
Australia (especially for us) on their giant CMC numerical model. We
also need to be able to get
weather data from the weather guy (who will be part of the scout
party) back to the car itself for
processing in the strategy vehicle. Failing satellite phone or some
other expensive option we
have to fall back on data communication over radio. Kenwood has
supplied us with three
TRS-680H (I know the number is right but the letter prefix may not be)
"low band FM
trancievers" which are supposed to have a range of about 400km. They
were also supposed to
supply radio-modems, but for some (as yet unexplained) reason they
decided these were not
important. What we foresee is the scout driving ahead of the main
party to a town, jacking into the
net, getting whatever information the weather guy needs, then getting
on the road, having the
weather guy process the data while on the move and then using the data
radio to send back the
processed data to the strategy van. We have the computers, we have the
radios; what we need is
advice on how to connect the two.


Please email your suggestion or advice to me at
[e-mail]


73 Sherwin

ps come check us out at http://engsoc.queensu.ca/solar/



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:22 1996
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From: Chuck Harrington <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Packet Program for PK232MBX
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:54:24 -0500
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Kory Hamzeh wrote:
>
> I have a PK232MBX and I run a lot of RTTY, pactor, and amtor. I'm looking
> for a good windows based front end for it. Something like PakRat for
> Windows, but I want something pd or shareware so that I can try it out
> first and see if I like it. The author of KaGold told me awhile ago
> that we was going to add support for the PK232, but I don't know what
> the status is on that.
>
> Thanks,
> Kory
> AC6RN

Consider giving Visual PacketPeT a try. You can download at the sights
below!

73 Chuck


--

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From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:23 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Plymouth Radio Club 1997 Rally
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 22:42:10 GMT
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Plymouth Radio Club holds its 1997 Rally on Sunday 25th May 1997 at
the College of Further Education Kings Road Devonport Plymouth.

The venue is excellent with lots of free car parking, a licensed bar
and restaurant.  There is plenty of space to browse and mingle.

Email me if you would like more information or want to book table
space.



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (James R Hall)
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This is the only address I have for this, can someone tell me how to
subscribe to this mailing list?

N9XLC
James R. Hall
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:25 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John D. Erskine)
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Phil Karn ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Dan,

: There's another interesting way to demodulate FSK, as long as it's
: *continuous phase* (no sudden phase jumps between symbols).

: See "The Viterbi Algorithm" by G. David Forney, Proceedings of the
: IEEE, March 1973, p. 268. This is a tutorial on the Viterbi
: algorithm that had been invented six years earlier as a way to
: decode convolutional codes, but turns out to have many other uses
: as well, such as decoding FSK, dealing with intersymbol interference,
: and recognizing text.

: Forney claims that Viterbi decoding of phase-continuous FSK that
: takes into account the "memory" of the modulator performs 3 dB
: better than the best you can do with coherent detection over only
: one symbol interval, and as good as coherent detection of
: antipodal BPSK.

: I believe Dave Mills, W3HCF, has implemented something like this
: for the TAPR DSP-93 box.

: Phil


You might also take a look through the ham news groups for a circuit and
software called HAMCOM(M?). The schematic is included in the
documentation and is pretty easy to assemble. The accompanying software
has a freq specturm display, and decoders for CW, RTTY, AMTOR/SITOR and I
believe PACKET. Quite a few folks around here have built them AND used
them successfully. Have fun. 73, John

John D. Erskine VE6OTC/VE3OTC
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:26 1996
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From: [e-mail] (neil)
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Subject: Re: Help: WEFAX & SSTV frequencies..
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John Demczyk <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Mike Agner wrote:
>>
>> [e-mail] wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,  everyone here.   I am interested  on receiving WEFAX  & SSTV charts
or
>> > photographs, but need a bunch of frequencies to search them. Please, if y
ou
>> > know abt these freqs. send my a reply.
>> >
>> > Txns in advance from Giovanny Romero (YV4GGT)!
>> > Hasta luego!  Hi Giovanny - do a net search for the HFFAX page by Marius
>> Rensen...this is an excellant source of info on WEFAX and SSTV; lots of
>> freqs for WEFAX stuff, too...Ciao   MikeI have a link to Marius's page on m
y page. Feel free to visit and follow
>the link :)

>--
>73's de VE3VHY
>[e-mail]
>http://www.durhamnews.net/~ofa078/

hello
my name is neil. I have been using sstv for 2 years.
 the best frequencies i have found are:   14.230MHz and 3.730MHz.
all the best
neil......south Wales uk.



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Johannes Kneip)
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Subject: Re: Ham-Digital Digest V96 #364
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Hello,

read your mail in the news (I am DG3RBU of BayCom).
Our dead site is currently dead due to political problems
with the provider, sorry.

You can get the BayCom Software from PacComm or from Tigertronics
in Grants Pass, Oregon. It should have come with your BP-9600
when you purchased it (but may be it is not .. we are not very
happy about having PacComm as a distributor for the moment).

73s, Johannes, DG3RBU

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From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:28 1996
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From: Thomas Sailer <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Linux, AX.25, & Baycom
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:49:44 +0200
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> Can the newer Linux kernels with AX.25 resident in them run the Baycom
> modem?  And if so how does one go about setting Linux up for the Baycom?
The easiest way is to get the baycom network driver from my home page,
http://www.ife.ee.ethz.ch/~sailer/ham/ham.html

Tom
--
Thomas (Tom) Sailer                    EMail: [e-mail]
Weinbergstrasse 76                     Ham Radio: hb9jnx @ hb9w.che.eu
CH-8408 Winterthur                     Phone: ++41 52 222 32 81


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:29 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Help with Stride 440 microcomputer
Date: 30 Sep 1996 08:33:28 -0700
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Hi!

I have a Stride 440 sitting in the shack that I┤d like to set up for ham
radio work.

To run Unix it needs a larger disc and a tape drive.

Does anybody know where I can get the hardware and/or software?

Thanks and 73┤s de CX7AP, Dennis.




From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Dockter)
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Subject: Packet and the DSP56002EVM.
Date: 30 Sep 1996 10:07:59 -0700
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I am wanting to get started in packet. I have a 2M/75CM HT, an IBM PC
clone, a DSP56002EVM board, and a SMALL budget.

I've found some software that is suppose to turn the EVM board into a
1200 baud MODEM and schematics to connect the EVM board to an HT. The
trouble I'm having is what software to run on the PC. The software for
the EVM board suggests that I should try one of the xNOS programs. Is
this a good suggestion for a beginner? Is there something better?

Taking the previously mentioned suggestion, I downloaded the TNOS
software, hoping that it would help. Unfortunately, it asked more
questions than it answered. If TNOS is a good route for a beginner to
take, what configuration options should I choose?

I am open to any suggestions you are willing to throw my way.


Thanks,


Brian
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From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:31 1996
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From: Bob Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Need info on PacComm Tiny-2
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Bob Nielsen wrote:
>
> Bruce W. Ellis wrote:
> >
> > I have a PacComm Tiny-2 TNC that is about 4 or 5 years old.  Unfortunately
, while undergoing
> > remodeling of my basement (including the hamshack) the manual got lost.  I
 found the
> > schematic page, so I got the connections figured out, but I don't know the
 commnad set
> > and other useful info.  I sent PacComm a message, but never got a reply.
Any help or info
> > will be appreciated.
>
> There is a manual for the TAPR TNC-2 at ftp.tapr.org in
> /tapr/software_lib/tnc/tncdocs.exe which covers the TAPR 1.1.8 command
> set.  This should cover about 95% of the Tiny-2 commands (no mailbox).
> A 'display' command at the prompt will give a list of most of them also
> (without syntax, of course).
>
> Bob
>
> --
> Bob Nielsen                 Internet: [e-mail]
> Tucson, AZ                  AMPRnet:  [e-mail]
>                             AX.25:    [e-mail]
>                             http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen

I'd try PacComm again.  I've always found them responsive - everyone has
things drop through the cracks now and them.  They also have a web page
and a BBS.



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:32 1996
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nrhblack ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Ham radio is authorized by Federal Law which overrides State law.  Ham
: radio installations do not need to be certified.

: Henry Black P.E.  KK6JR, G4NOC

Keep in mind that while states do not regulate radio, they most
definitely regulate what you may do while operating your automobile!
Perhaps that's what this is about.
--
John Miller, N4VU                My employer pays me handsomely for my
[e-mail]               opinions, and I'll be darned if I'm going to
Fayetteville, GA                 let any of the good ones escape onto the net!


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From: [e-mail] (Brad Johannes)
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Subject: JNOS with Baycom modem???
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Is this possible?

Brad



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:13:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul J. Piercey)
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Subject: Re: What does 'KA-NODE' stand for..?
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In article <52nveb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jamie R. Dean) wr
ote:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>
>>Hi,  everyone there.  I know  that several TNCs offer node facilities,
>>but i am confused about the differences among brands. Some of them are
>>called 'Ka-node'...can anyone explain a little abt this..?
>
>>Txns from José../
>A KA-Node stands for a Kantronics Node. It acts no different than
>other nodes except it is built in the Kantronics TNCs

It actually does act differently from NETROM nodes in that a KA-Node is more
or less a smart digipeater. They are totally unaware of any other nodes in the

area and they don't network. In a dual-port Kantronics TNC, the KA-Node allows

cross-port connections but, again, node tables are non-existant so you would
have to run the heard list to find stations to connect to. The new K-Net
option for KPC TNCs is a NETROM type node which will pick up node broadcasts
and have node tables. A much better system, IMHO.

73 de Paul VO1HE