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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:46:39 1996
From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Sell: PK-232MBX Multimode
Date: 1 Jul 1996 05:27:23 GMT
Message-ID: <4r7njs$[e-mail]>
References: <61e7cc$92936.15a@NEWS>

Gentlemen, please, this is NOT a for-sale newsgroup.  Use rec.radio.swap
instead.  Thank you.


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:46:43 1996
From: [e-mail] (Karl Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Backbone data on 2M - against the rules?
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 10:53:23 -0400
Message-ID: <CSLE87-0107961053230001@145.39.1.10>
References: <4r7e79$[e-mail]>

In article <4r7e79$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (phil reed-kb8uoy) wrote:

> In talking with some other digital ham radio people in my county (as part of

> the planning process for putting in some digital services to get better
> coverage of the county), he said that somebody else in the area who had been

> using a 2 meter frequency as a backbone link had gotten a pink ticket from a
n
> OO.
>
> What's going on here? I looked through the most recent version of Part 97 I
> could find, and the only restriction for data on 2 meters I could see was a
> bandwidth/baud rate limitation. Is there some kind of restriction in place
> that says 2m has to be reserved for end-point data communications only?
>
> --
>                         ...phil

It's a fair bet that he was chastised for operating an unmoderated
INTERNET link, which generally does NOT comply with FCC rules unless the
message content is strictly monitored and non-amateur traffic is removed
by the SysOp / amateur radio licensee.  It's also considered very poor
practice to use a 2M freq for backbone (high traffic density) operation
since it is almost impossible to share the frequency with other hams in
the area.
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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:46:47 1996
From: [e-mail] (Stan Huntting)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.dx
Subject: KaWin News
Date: 1 Jul 1996 15:45:17 GMT
Message-ID: <4r8rqd$[e-mail]>

KAWIN NEWS

KaWin 6.39 is ready for download! Minor changes to the help
file too.

KaWin 6.39's enhancements are largely focused on the HF CW
or RTTY operator, but there are some minor fixes that will
be welcomed by all. They are described in the Squawk file.

HF DX and contest operators will find a competitive
advantage in the new option to send every keystroke as it is
pressed, and those with access to a DXCluster will be one
click ahead of the gang when a new spot appears by clicking
on a DX spot and instantly setting the callsign in the HF
context. Also, the automatic logging of HF QSOs in non-
connected modes is now subject to operator confirmation - no
more log entries for unsuccessful DX calls.

All currently reported bugs are fixed in 6.39.

73, Igottago... Stan ..

KaWin News is published by Stan Huntting, KF0IA.
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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:46:48 1996
From: [e-mail] (Einar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sj=E5vik?=)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: (none)
Date: 1 Jul 96 16:55:04 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Madjid VE2GMI wrote in HamDigitalDigest 96/254D:

>Hams are one of the targets because they communicate for FREE.
>And FREE is not a word that Bill Gates likes very much if he
>is going after the hobby communication market.

FREE?? Tell me how!

I've bought ready to run ham rigs and other equipment.
Free? Far from it!

I've rebuilt commercial equipment I got for a lick in the face.
Needed 2 new x-tals and a box. Free! No, just cheaper.

I've built equipment from scratch. Pity scratch is so expensive.
The result was not much cheaper than buying it. Component prices
really adds up before you have a working box. Free? Nope!

Club fees: xRRL, Local chapter, Packet group,..... $$+$$+$$
 (for what services?)

Programs: I've been looking for (software) projects, but wouldn't
like to start from scratch. So I've been looking for open software
that I can add on to to get the functionality I want. Open _what_?
Can't even _buy_ it as a toolbox. Seems to me almost everything
that has to do with packet and sattelites is closed as a clam.
Buy it and use it as it is only. "No user serviceable parts inside".

I've never had the feeling I (and my wallet) have been so
thoroughly milked before. And that says something, as I
also have fast Italian cars as a hobby. Can't say I expect
much change if Billy boy opens the Gates to HamRadio.


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   U

73 de LC1JAT



From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:46:49 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Backbone data on 2M - against the rules?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <4r7e79$[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:57:03 GMT

In article <4r7e79$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (phil reed-kb8uoy) writes:
>In talking with some other digital ham radio people in my county (as part of
>the planning process for putting in some digital services to get better
>coverage of the county), he said that somebody else in the area who had been
>using a 2 meter frequency as a backbone link had gotten a pink ticket from an

>OO.
>
>What's going on here? I looked through the most recent version of Part 97 I
>could find, and the only restriction for data on 2 meters I could see was a
>bandwidth/baud rate limitation. Is there some kind of restriction in place
>that says 2m has to be reserved for end-point data communications only?

Not from the FCC. They don't distinguish between end user stations and
backbone stations.  A transmitter is a transmitter as far as they're
concerned. Now the OO may have been complaining about out of *bandplan*
operation. Local areas have bandplans, and the frequency chosen may
not have been approved for backbone usage in that area. That would
make it a violation of "good amateur practice" if a backbone were
placed on a channel the local bandplan said was for a different use.

2m is still very much used for backbones in many areas. 145.01 MHz
is still THE backbone for many packeteers (and the APRS and Packetcluster
boys have squatted on other frequencies such as 145.75 MHz in some
areas). That's all basically legal, though it may not be in conformance
with some other people's bandplans. Putting a backbone on 146.52 MHz
would certainly be against almost everyone's idea of a bandplan, however.

Backbones work best when no user stations share the channel, so most
bandplans have frequencies set aside for them. In general, UHF and
above is a better place for a backbone, because speeds can be higher,
and there is more available spectrum on which to find a semi-exclusive
channel. However, topology and propagation may make 2m, or even 6m,
a better backbone choice in some cases. In any event, usage should
attempt to conform to local bandplans when possible, especially when
usage will be heavy and continuing such as is the case for a backbone.
Only if the local bandplan is inappropriate should it be ignored, and
even then it is better to work with the bandplanners to get it changed
rather than just bulling ahead. We have to live with other spectrum
users, and they have to live with us. It's better if we can do this
cooperatively rather than competitively.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:46:50 1996
From: [e-mail] (Scott Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Baycom Users?
Date: 1 Jul 1996 17:56:14 GMT
Message-ID: <4r93fu$[e-mail]>

I have a query for any experienced Baycom users out there.

I have used the Digicom program for the C64 (precursor to Baycom) and it did
true DCD, so that you could run your squelch open all the time.

I've now got Baycom v1.4 and the docs say to run with squelch closed.  My HT
does a battery-saver routine whenever the squelch is closed.  This is murder
on packets!  Is there a version of Baycom that does true DCD?

BTW, my modem is a Baypac BP-2, my PC is an HP200LX, my HT is a Yaesu FT-23R.

Any advice much appreciated.  73.
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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:46:51 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ron Atkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Backbone data on 2M - against the rules?
Date: 1 Jul 1996 22:25:12 GMT
Message-ID: <4r9j88$[e-mail]>
References: <4r7e79$[e-mail]>

phil reed-kb8uoy ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In talking with some other digital ham radio people in my county (as part of

: the planning process for putting in some digital services to get better
: coverage of the county), he said that somebody else in the area who had been

: using a 2 meter frequency as a backbone link had gotten a pink ticket from a
n
: OO.
:
: What's going on here? I looked through the most recent version of Part 97 I
: could find, and the only restriction for data on 2 meters I could see was a
: bandwidth/baud rate limitation. Is there some kind of restriction in place
: that says 2m has to be reserved for end-point data communications only?

Geez... who's the OO that cited the person, George? There is nothing wrong
with using 2m for linking, in fact there are regular user frequencies
that links stay away from and there are other frequencies that users
stay away from because they are used primarily for linking and forwarding.
People wonder why packet in Michigan is so bad and why I packed up all
my equipment and gave most of it away, it has to do with people that have
nothing better to do in life than try to interpret the rules themselves
and send out notices when it is clearly the OO that is wrong. If you
know who the OO is feel free to give him my name and call and tell him
that I said that he is wrong and I can prove it.

You'd also be suprised how many people said I operated illegal years ago.
I ran compression before the BBS programs had it (everyone said I was
illegal because of it),  then I put up an Internet gateway in Detroit
and I was supposedly illegal for that too.  When you are the exception
to the norm people get scared and will rather attack you than work with
you. I always jumped in and called people out and attacked right back,
that's why people typically backed off of me pretty fast when they said
I was illegal when I knew I was not. If someone threatens you when you
are doing nothing wrong just call them out and tell them to go to
hell and they'll usually get scared enough to back off pretty fast.

Funny too that everything that I did that was supposed to have been
illegal is now fully legal and is being done all over the country. Also
no laws have been changed either changing anything.  You just happen to
live in the wrong state when it comes to packet radio.

:                         ...phil


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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:46:52 1996
From: [e-mail] (Rich Abbot)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Alinco DR150T: 9600 y/n ?
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 04:53:58 GMT
Message-ID: <4raa4n$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Is anyone using this 2M mobile rig on 9600 baud packet?  If so, were
any mods required or did it work "from the box?"

Thanks and 73s,

Rich




From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:46:53 1996
From: [e-mail] (Rick Prather)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Is it relevent???
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 05:06:26 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Michael Spenuk - VA3SP) wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Steven Sampson
) writes:
>
>>About the only thing Hams can be proud of is the work done by TAPR and
>>the Hams involved in Spread-Spectrum.  Everything else is a joke.
>>Contests?  What a crock.  SSB?  what a crock.  NBFM?  same.
>
>You're kidding right, Steve!?
>
>Do you think you'll add spread spectrum to your crock list in about 20 years?
>
>Hmmm... spread spectrum contest.  Now there's a thought. :)
>
>>Steve, N5OWK
>
>Mike
>
Actually Steve right!  Anything I am not interested in at this time or
I am too narrow to see a use for is CRAP and the users should be run
off the ham bands.

Rick
KB9E


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:46:54 1996
From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Backbone data on 2M - against the rules?
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 05:14:46 GMT
Message-ID: <4rab8h$[e-mail]>
References: <4r7e79$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (phil reed-kb8uoy) wrote:

>In talking with some other digital ham radio people in my county (as part of
>the planning process for putting in some digital services to get better
>coverage of the county), he said that somebody else in the area who had been
>using a 2 meter frequency as a backbone link had gotten a pink ticket from an

>OO.

Rule #1 : Throw all OO notices in the garbage. The average OO and the
entire ARRL have no idea what the rules are nor do they care. You are
simply doing something to advance Ham Packet Radio and the ARRL does
not want that to happen.

>What's going on here? I looked through the most recent version of Part 97 I
>could find, and the only restriction for data on 2 meters I could see was a
>bandwidth/baud rate limitation. Is there some kind of restriction in place
>that says 2m has to be reserved for end-point data communications only?

Rule #2 : See Rule #1 above.

You are 100% correct. All you need do is meet the Part 97 limits for
bandwidth, baud rate, and digital code used and you are fine.

My sugestion is to just ignore the OO notices and stay within the
rules, NOT what the ARRL wants.

You could, of course, send the notice to the FCC and a few
Congress-Critters and demand the so-called Amateur Auxilary be held
accountable for their actions. Even more, you could sue the hind legs
off the ARRL and the particular OO in question.

Maybe that would teach them how to read the rules, but I doubt it.

Take Care & 73



Marty Albert
[e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM



From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:46:55 1996
From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Date: 02 Jul 96 05:20:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Comments about CW
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>


From: [e-mail] (John J. Burke)
Subject: Re: Comments about CW

CW-  This is getting to be a boring subject.  I am not a CW Fanatic,
but there is a use for CW.  I was in the Coast Guard where we were on
a search and rescue mission to save a sinking saiboat in the Bearing
Sea.  There battery was so low, that when they tried voice
communications, it would not work, but CW worked for them the whole
time.

This has made me a believer of CW.  Granted there are other modes
better and faster to work, but does all the boats out there have a
computer onboard to operate?  Does every ham have a computer  to
operate.

I feel that most people/hams that complain about CW are the REJECTS
that can not comprehend the morse code.  If you don't like it, then
move on to the bigger and better things if you want. But leave the CW
here, and if you can't take the time to learn it, than I am sorry.  I
hate CW, but I learned 20 WPM for my Extra Class ticket, and now, I
don't worry about it any more.

For the people that are trying to learn, good luck and enjoy.  CW
ishere to stay.

John AA7RF    [e-mail]   aa7rf@w0rli

73
John J. Burke
JJ's Computer Repair
P.O. Box 628
Woodland, Wa.  98674-9434
[phone]
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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:46:56 1996
From: [e-mail] (John J. Burke)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Comments about CW
Date: 2 Jul 96 09:20:43 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

CW-  This is getting to be a boring subject.  I am not a CW Fanatic,
but there is a use for CW.  I was in the Coast Guard where we were on
a search and rescue mission to save a sinking saiboat in the Bearing
Sea.  There battery was so low, that when they tried voice
communications, it would not work, but CW worked for them the whole
time.

This has made me a believer of CW.  Granted there are other modes
better and faster to work, but does all the boats out there have a
computer onboard to operate?  Does every ham have a computer  to
operate.

I feel that most people/hams that complain about CW are the REJECTS
that can not comprehend the morse code.  If you don't like it, then
move on to the bigger and better things if you want. But leave the CW
here, and if you can't take the time to learn it, than I am sorry.  I
hate CW, but I learned 20 WPM for my Extra Class ticket, and now, I
don't worry about it any more.

For the people that are trying to learn, good luck and enjoy.  CW
ishere to stay.

John AA7RF    [e-mail]   aa7rf@w0rli

73
John J. Burke
JJ's Computer Repair
P.O. Box 628
Woodland, Wa.  98674-9434
[phone]


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:46:57 1996
From: [e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: What is good Win. pkt prog?
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 11:01:08 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4qt2su$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

On Thu, 27 Jun 96 04:34:29 GMT, [e-mail] (Ed Gallup) wrote:

>   I'm planning on finally dropping my old DOS based packet program and
>getting a windows base program.  I'm not necessarily looking for a feature
>rich program,  just a nice simple, fairly easy-to-use program just to check
>into the local bbs and occasionally download or upload messages.
>  Can anyone suggest a shareware or freeware for me to try?  It can be for Wi
n
>3.1 or Win 95.  Thanks.
>

win95 has a tcpip stack built in. Why don't you use the news-express program y
ou
posted with. I assume you have an ftp, an email and some sort of telnet progra
m
for your win_95 as well. Why not use that stuff?
-be


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:46:58 1996
From: [e-mail] (gerry.g)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Backbone data on 2M - against the rules?
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 12:59:55 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4r7e79$[e-mail]> <CSLE87-0107961053230001@145.39.1.10> <4r9jhi$[e-mail]>

On 1 Jul 1996 22:30:10 GMT, [e-mail] (Ron Atkinson) wrote:
[some text may have been deleted]

>
>What's the definition of an 'unmoderated INTERNET link' ?

I wonder if the issue here was (is) 3rd party traffic?

I think the FCC rules are pretty clear (well fairly clear) regarding
3rd party traffic.

gerry.g


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:46:59 1996
From: Jim Mitrenga <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: TFPCX210 - What TNC Programs Run With It?
Date: 2 Jul 1996 13:08:46 GMT
Message-ID: <4rb70u$[e-mail]>

I have been using TFPCX210 with various non-TNC packet programs with
much success.  I have used MUBAY102, GP (Graphic Packet), and SP (EsKay)
and they work fine following startup of TFPCX210.  What other TNC
programs run with TFPCX210?  Do you have any experience with the
combination?

Thanks in advance,

Jim Mitrenga  (N9ART)
[e-mail]
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:47:00 1996
From: [e-mail] (Arden Eby)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Is it relevent???
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 15:52:54 GMT
Message-ID: <4rbgjo$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

William Vaughn <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Lately this newsgroup has not been up to it's usual standard. I see line
>after line of drek drifting in from other newsgroups. I am sure if
>someone wants to enter the code no code debate all they have to do is go
>to the ..policy or any other group for that matter. This is just a plea
>to the sensible to keep, at least this newsgroup, on track.

A number of my posts from rec. radio.amateur.policy have been REPOSTED
here and other places without my knowledge.  I have no idea how or why
this happens but it really irritates me.

Arden KI7FG




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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:47:01 1996
From: [e-mail] (Kees Leune)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Linux and Baycom
Date: 2 Jul 1996 17:45:27 GMT
Message-ID: <4rbn7n$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4rabj9$[e-mail]>

Victor V Voronkov ([e-mail]) wrote:
* David Covert ([e-mail]) wrote:
*
* > What can I do with Linux and a Baycom modem?
*
* > I would like to either to 'normal' TNC/AX.25 stuff or TCP/IP... can I
* > do either/both?
*
* Yes, check out  http://garbo.uwasa.fi/ldp/HOWTO/AX25-HOWTO-13.html or
*               http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/HOWTO/AX25-HOWTO.html
*
* Victor

As op Linux version 2.0.0, baycom support can be compiled into the kernel. It
still is ALPHA (I think), but what I heard of it, it works just fine.

-Kees , PE1RHP
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WWW: http://pi0132.kub.nl:2080/people/kees          HAM callsign: PE1RHP


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:47:02 1996
From: [e-mail] (phil reed)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Backbone data on 2M - against the rules?
Date: 2 Jul 1996 22:04:12 GMT
Message-ID: <4rc6cs$[e-mail]>
References: <4r7e79$[e-mail]> <CSLE87-0107961053230001@145.39.1.10>

In article <CSLE87-0107961053230001@145.39.1.10>, [e-mail] says...
>

>It's a fair bet that he was chastised for operating an unmoderated
>INTERNET link, which generally does NOT comply with FCC rules unless the
>message content is strictly monitored and non-amateur traffic is removed
>by the SysOp / amateur radio licensee.

Sorry, but that's a bet you would lose. As it happens (I got some later
information), the link in question carried CONVERS traffic to another part of
the regional network. So, it wasn't unmoderated Internet traffic.

>It's also considered very poor
>practice to use a 2M freq for backbone (high traffic density) operation
>since it is almost impossible to share the frequency with other hams in
>the area.

As was pointed out to me in email, this is possible, but depends a great deal
on circumstances. In some parts of the country, 2m may well be full, but that
does not apply everywhere.

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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:47:03 1996
From: Robert Barron <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Backbone data on 2M - against the rules?
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 10:19:00 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4r7e79$[e-mail]> <4rab8h$[e-mail]>

Marty Albert wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (phil reed-kb8uoy) wrote:
>
> >In talking with some other digital ham radio people in my county (as part o
f
> >the planning process for putting in some digital services to get better
> >coverage of the county), he said that somebody else in the area who had bee
n
> >using a 2 meter frequency as a backbone link had gotten a pink ticket from
an
> >OO.
>
> Rule #1 : Throw all OO notices in the garbage. The average OO and the
> entire ARRL have no idea what the rules are nor do they care. You are
> simply doing something to advance Ham Packet Radio and the ARRL does
> not want that to happen.

Yeah, right.  Why can't you just assume that perhaps this is the action of
a misguided OO?  You think that the ARRL sits in Newington thinking about
ways to make life miserable for people?  That's cute!

One thing that amazes me about this thread is that I do not recall seeing
exactly what the OO notice said.  Are we all SURE that the warning was for
using a "backbone" on 2M.  Is that what it said?  Where was this backbone?
146.52MHz?  144.200MHz?  We don't have all of the facts (or at least I have
not seen them) so how can we jump to conclusions.

> >What's going on here? I looked through the most recent version of Part 97 I
> >could find, and the only restriction for data on 2 meters I could see was a
> >bandwidth/baud rate limitation. Is there some kind of restriction in place
> >that says 2m has to be reserved for end-point data communications only?
>
> Rule #2 : See Rule #1 above.
>
> You are 100% correct. All you need do is meet the Part 97 limits for
> bandwidth, baud rate, and digital code used and you are fine.

Not true.  You also have to meet the limits for message content.  Plus the
FCC has generally considered it not right to go against standard Amateur
practice (ie. no packet on 146.52 please!).

> My sugestion is to just ignore the OO notices and stay within the
> rules, NOT what the ARRL wants.
>
> You could, of course, send the notice to the FCC and a few
> Congress-Critters and demand the so-called Amateur Auxilary be held
> accountable for their actions. Even more, you could sue the hind legs
> off the ARRL and the particular OO in question.

Yeah,  that will make things better.  If this OO sent out a notice
based only on the fact that backbone traffic was being sent on a
2M frequency, then that OO needs to be informed about the rules.
Try sending him/her a letter and send one to the ARRL as well.
This is all assuming that other factors (frequency, message content,
etc. do not play any part in this).

Yeah, sue every Amateur volunteer for everything their worth.  That
will make Amateur Radio better.

BTW, the club I belong to got an OO notice several years ago for
operating too close to a band edge.  Turns out they were very
much right.  We found out who had been operating at that time
based on the log and made them more aware about the bandwidth of
a SSB signal.  We appreciated the reminder.

> Maybe that would teach them how to read the rules, but I doubt it.

I think we ALL could stand to reread the rules now and then.

73,


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:47:05 1996
From: [e-mail] (Karl Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Has anyone used the MFJ Packet Transceiver?
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 10:19:46 -0400
Message-ID: <CSLE87-0307961019460001@145.39.1.10>
References: <4q6k6a$[e-mail]> <4qla66$[e-mail]>

In article <4qla66$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

> The RX sensitivity actually turns out to meet specs. You just have to
> realize that quoted SNAD numbers are for voice audio bandwidths. If
> you put a low-pass 3.5 khz filter in the audio path you will get the
> rated RX sensitivity on a service monitor. Of course this isn't a good
> way to align a 9600 rig but explains the sensitivity numbers.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron Curry
> ke6wed
> Ron Curry
> KE6WED
> [e-mail]
> [e-mail]
> [e-mail]

This is the time and place to push for a new data sensitivity
measurement:  Manufacturers of amateur digital mode equipment should quote
digital sensitivity at specified Bit Error Rates (BER) of 1 per 10^4 and
10^6 when used with a "standard" or "reference" modem/TNC.

Commercial SCADA operations folks seem to feel that 1 error per million
sent is acceptable for non-error correcting protocols, while 1 per ten
thousand is OK for protocols which detect or correct errors.  Data radio
users should insist on the BER measurements for radio + TNC as a package.
Ignore the 12 dB SINAD analog voice numbers - they mean absolutely nothing
for digital DFM modulation.

The FCC and commercial world know that 12.5 kHz BW is enough to run 9600b
data.  Performance of commercial 950 MHz SCADA transceivers running both
analog FM & digital carrier shift keying (Direct FM) with 12.5 kHz
receiver bandwidth and identically modulated adjacent channel rejection
-40 dB at 12.5 kHz is as follows:
Mod Type/Rate         Method      Decoded Sensitivity     Relative Performance
Analog 1000 Hz     12 dB SINAD  0.3 uV -145 to -149 dBW   baseline value
1200B 202 (VHF Pkt)  10^4 BER   0.6 uV -140 to -143 dBW   needs 6 dB more RF
4800B DFM 2 state    10^6 BER   1.2 uV -140 to -142 dBW   needs 6 dB more RF
9600B DFM 3 state    10^6 BER   1.6 uV -136 to -139 dBW   need 10 dB more RF

Note the 6 dB speed/signal penalty when running 1200b AFSK instead of
direct carrier shift FM at 4800b, just as the communications theory
textbooks predict.  It's also time for hams to start conserving the
spectrum locally allocated for packet, so that more stations can be on the
air in any given locale.  On other bands and with higher local ambient
noise levels YMMV, but you must always use the proper end-to-end decoded
sensitivity numbers to compute the link budget.
--
Karl Beckman, P.E.                <      If our English language is so   >
Motorola Private Data Systems     <   precise, why do you drive on the   >
Schaumburg, IL  /  Parma, OH      <   parkway and park on the driveway?  >
[phone] / [phone]
**  Opinions expressed here do NOT represent the views of Motorola Inc. **
--
Amateur radio WA8NVW                        NavyMARS NNN0VBH @ NOGBN.NOASI


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:47:06 1996
From: [e-mail] (Lu Hui-Hua)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: HELP , need help.
Date: 5 Jul 96 02:35:53 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <199607041130.EAA07550@.mail.ucsd.edu>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

hello everybody, here is BD7IX(Lu Hui-Hua) from P.R.CHINA.
somedays ago, i send a mail at here , said want to know how
to made a modem(tnc) myself, my plan is use TCM3105 or
AM7910(7911) chip to do it, but unfortunate, the chip is
not produce. soi think maybe motorola's MC145442 OR MC145443
can replace it. but mc145442(3) only can use 300 baud
(CCITT V.21 OR BELL 103).
who can tell me the alternative else?
and if i use MC145442(3), who can give the circuit design about it?
please tell me via e-mail [e-mail]
thanks

Lu Hui-Hua*bd7ix*


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:47:07 1996
From: Steve Wolf <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Backbone data on 2M - against the rules?
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 07:24:10 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4r7e79$[e-mail]> <4rab8h$[e-mail]> <4reqe6$[e-mail]>

The easiest and quickest way to solve the problem would be to have
the complantant, the person receiving the OO ticket, contact the
ARRL supervisor and report the event.  They would then advise the OO
of the misinterpretation and the problem would go away.

The OOs aren't the bad guys here.  The ARRL isn't either.  You are
not dealing with a person with 20 years of law enforcement training.
An OO is a volunteer trying to help the hobby.  He goofed.  Big deal.

--
73,
Steve
        Internet:  [e-mail]
        Amateur Radio:  no8m@no8m.#neoh.oh.usa.na
        MSYS Mail List:  [e-mail] ('info' for title)


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:47:08 1996
From: [e-mail] (Arden Eby)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Announcing The Visual PacketPeT Web Sight!
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 23:45:33 GMT
Message-ID: <4rk9f7$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Chuck Harrington <[e-mail]> wrote:

>The Visual PacketPeT Web Sight is now online at
>http://www.gate.net/~paketpet/ for you to get information and
>download Visual PacketPeT Version 3, the new improved Windows
>packet / digital software that works with virtually all TNC /
>Data Controllers.

>Take a look and enjoy...

>73, Chuck WA8LBH


I have a registered copy of this program and wholeheartedly endorse
it.  I also have PC-Packrat for Windows, Winpac and HamWindows and
Visual Paketpet is by far the best (for packet--I still use Packrat
for HF digital).

The only thing I don't like is the low-rez low-color startup screen.
Everything else is great.

Arden Eby KI7FG



******************************************************************************
                                 Arden Eby
                      Internet:  [e-mail]
                  Packet Radio:  [e-mail]
     Homepage (Eby's Cyberscroll)  http://www.teleport.com/~arden/
******************************************************************************



From [e-mail] Sat Jul 06 13:47:08 1996
From: [e-mail] (Kjell-Viggo Lovhaug)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: FBB & Baycom
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 10:45:08 GMT
Message-ID: <4rl54n$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Phil Street) wrote:

>I have read somewhere that FBB can be run using Baycom modems. Can anyone
>point me in the right direction?

The "standard" solution for using Baycom modem with FBB is to use
BPQ and a driver called BPQAX25. This works very well if you have
reasonable computer power.
You can also use a german driver called TFPCX - works like hostmode
but has no node like BPQ.
I have tried both with success.
The sofware should be available from many sources on the net.

73 de Kjell-Viggo, LA2VY



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 11 16:57:38 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: add ham-digital
Date: 5 Jul 96 15:40:49 GMT
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add ham-digital


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 11 16:57:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: AEA ACARS package
Date: 8 Jul 1996 18:55:45 GMT
Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Derrick Kim ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Has anyone used the AEA's ACARS demodulator package?  I am considering
: ordering one, but would like to get expert's opinion on it.

: The idea of receiving and decoding the aircraft reporting system sounds
: interesting...

: Thanks for your inputs.

: Derrick KM6CM

Derrick,

I have had it for 6 months and it works great, although slow on my XT class
laptop computer but that is to be expected. I am using with the
Radio Shack PRO 43 scanner.

Gilbert--
                 [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 11 16:57:40 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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From: "Robert Mattaliano, N6RFM" <[e-mail]>
Subject: AEA DSP-232
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Am interested in any user comments on AEA DSP-232.
Have heard rumors of problems with early units ?
I am considering a purchase.  Please respond to me
directly.  I will post a summary to the newsgroup.
tks es 73,
Bob N6RFM
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 11 16:57:41 1996
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From: [e-mail](JOSEPH A CIRA)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs.ads,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.shortwave,alt.bbs,
Subject: AMATEUR RADIO BBS
Date: 9 Jul 1996 15:38:59 GMT
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        HELLO FELLOW HAMS:and FUTURE HAMS !!!!!!!

        HAM BBS dedicated to amateur radio !!!!

There is a DEVOTED AMATEUR RADIO BBS in town ,from your
ARRL/LAX  affiliated club coordinator , JOE CIRA , KB6AXK ...........
Everything and anything about AMATEUR RADIO will be found here,
IF NOT ? Let me know and we will post it and file it !!!!!!!!


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        24 hrs,8-n-1,anyspeed.......
        running 486/66 with 2.1 gig of space !!!
        qsl route database,clubs,newsletters,bulletins,shareware,utility
        mods,programs,test ques,lists,software and much more....
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        sample exam tests and answers for all class's..
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        Using Wildcat v4.11 software..
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        6,000 FILES IN 119 FILE AREA'S..so far !

        latest list of AMATEUR RADIO WEB SITES & PAGES
        now 2,405 websites & pages !!!!!!!!!
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        look for web-sites by KB6AXK on the page........

        FYI:there are roughly ,over 33,000 pages,just pages,
        that relate to amateur radio/ham radio on the web ???????
        My list is primarlly websites..............


73's & 88's de kb6axk,joe cira,ARRL/LAX/ACC.
INTERNET E-MAIL ADDRESS:> [e-mail]
/EX
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 11 16:57:42 1996
Path: news2.epix.net!uunet!inXS.uu.net!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!news
From: Chuck Harrington <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Announcing The Visual PacketPeT Web Sight!
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 16:59:38 -0500
Organization: Chuck Harrington Software, Inc.
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The Visual PacketPeT Web Sight is now online at
http://www.gate.net/~paketpet/ for you to get information and
download Visual PacketPeT Version 3, the new improved Windows
packet / digital software that works with virtually all TNC /
Data Controllers.

Take a look and enjoy...

73, Chuck WA8LBH


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 11 16:57:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul B. Schou)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: ax25 in Basic?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 08:55:03 EST
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[e-mail] (Erik Franz Tirschler) writes:

> I'm wondering if I can use my Tandy model 102 laptop to do packet.
>
> The laptop has basic built in, and it has a parallel and serial port.  I
> would think that if I could find some software (or write my own) it would
> work (naive of me?)

The 102 has a built in terminal program. Just hook a TNC to your serial
port and use the terminal program.

--
Hillsmere Shores - Annapolis, MD USA - Sailing Capital of the World
Internet: [e-mail]  -  Packet: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 11 16:57:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Backbone data on 2M - against the rules?
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 15:41:17 GMT
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Steve Wolf <[e-mail]> wrote:

>The easiest and quickest way to solve the problem would be to have
>the complantant, the person receiving the OO ticket, contact the
>ARRL supervisor and report the event.  They would then advise the OO
>of the misinterpretation and the problem would go away.

Been there, done that... In my own personal experience, the ARRL SM,
DD, and main office were very defensive of the OO and his mis-informed
positions. It had no effect until the lawyers, FCC, and
Congress-Critters were involved.

>The OOs aren't the bad guys here.

You are right, the individual OOs are not the bad guys, no matter how
poor they are at their duties.

>The ARRL isn't either.

You are wrong... The ARRL has the responsibility to make sure that the
individual OOs (and their supervisory staff) are well trained,
objective, and understand the rules. Instead, we see that the ARRL
uses the OOs to promote their own agenda.

>You are not dealing with a person with 20 years of law enforcement training.

No one has said that we are... All that is asked is that OOs be well
trained and objective and that the ARRL and management do the same.

>An OO is a volunteer trying to help the hobby.

By and large, this is true. There are way too many OOs and supervisory
staff that are being vindictive and subjective. Also, there is a
significant percent that have serious conflict of interest problems on
the bands.

>He goofed.  Big deal.

Are you 100% certain of this? The facts I have found show that, in
this case, the OO was inforcing a non-published bandplan that HE had
authored.

Sort of blows the concept of separation of police and judicial
functions right out of the water.

Frankly, I see little chance for this situation to self correct any
time in the near future. The passage of House Resolution 3207 will
remove all possibility for a Ham who has been wrongly, or even
maliciously, cited by an OO to have the error corrected.

The best answer, IMHO, would be for Congress to _REQUIRE_ the FCC to
do the following:
        (1) Disolve the Amateur Auxilary
        (2) Do the job they are PAID to do... Enforce the rules

>73,
>Steve
>       Internet:  [e-mail]
>       Amateur Radio:  no8m@no8m.#neoh.oh.usa.na
>       MSYS Mail List:  [e-mail] ('info' for title)

Take Care & 73

Marty Albert
[e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 11 16:57:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Peter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Baypac BP-2 good? bad?
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 14:50:29 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jim Kehler) wrote:

>Each packet sent will contain your call and the call of the
>station you are trying to connect to or are connected to.  Packet
>BBS's usually don't require passwords, on radio ports. Some do on
>LL ports. Yes, anyone who has a TNC on the frequency you are on
>can see everything that you or any other packet station sends. Thats
>not a problem, that's normal.

>73, Jim KH2D
>

It depends on what system you are using, if it is AX25 (normal)
packet, then yes, every thing you send can be read by another station
monitoring. There is also a system very simular to the internet,
TCP/IP where you are assigned a IP address, and you connect to people
via a gateway, the same as dialing up your server on the internet. You
have your own personal mailbox which will request and send mail
automaticly, retreave news articles at given times. If you decide to
connect to the server, you then give your callsign and then password
to gain access to the bbs/gateway.
depending on what version software you use, (I used JNOS 1.10H - for
UK use) depends if the mail and news articles you are sending and
receiving are compressed (in effect encoded) which makes it imposible
for any station monitoring to read. all they know is that you have
connected to the gateway..

A bit long but I hope you find this information useful..

some more information on jnos or wnos may be obtained from
[e-mail]  (if your reading this, hope you dont mind..)

Pete - G7RQT

Peter
[e-mail]  158.152.244.140   Internet
g7rqt@gb7khw.#21.gbr.eu  44.131.5.142      Amateur (Packet) Radio



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 11 16:57:46 1996
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From: Rick Miller <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: DON'T FRY THE KIDS!  (Was: RF & materials)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:23:44 -0500
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On Sun, 7 Jul 1996, Michael Spenuk - VA3SP wrote:

> Wonder if any of you have conducted experiments, or
> have come across papers on the interaction of EM waves
> at and near 1.2, 2.4, or  5.7 GHz, with materials?
>=20
> I am particularly interested in the following materials:
> plywood, wafer board and particle board of various
> thicknesses, and; asphalt shingles.  I am interested
> in these materials with varying moisture content,
> and if anyone has studied particular adhesives used
> in these products.
>=20
> I am interested in the effects of these materials when
> located within  the radiating near field of an array.

Hi Mike!

It looks as though you're wanting to come up with some sort of
microwave communications for house-to-house use which doesn't
come with unsightly dishes on masts.  Maybe if you come out and
describe what you're really trying to do, you might get some more
specifically useful help.

In general though, you're going to have no fun at all trying
to pump microwave signals through a sloped roof.

Think about it for a bit...

Where does the part of the signal that doesn't make it through
the roof go?  It gets reflected *DOWN*.  This can generally be
regarded as A Bad Thing=AE, especially in the case of residential
structures.

Rick Miller
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From [e-mail] Thu Jul 11 16:57:47 1996
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From: Jake Brodsky <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Electronic Engine Control Noise:  Mobile Operation
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 15:45:31 -0700
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I'd love a few tips too.  Not just for Ham Radio purposes either.
I have a company car, an 89 Chevy Cavalier with serious noise near
the six meter band (we use low band VHF at work).  We've tried
lots of stuff in the radio shop.  We can't figure out where the dang
RF is coming from.  We figure something out there needs decoupling
on its way in and out of the electronic ignition --But we don't know
what that might be or where to go.

Suggestions?

Jake Brodsky, AB3A
"Beware of the massive impossible!"


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 11 16:57:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steven Umbach)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Freeware For Kam Plus
Date: 5 Jul 1996 15:17:44 GMT
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Hi John. I have not used it myself but a lot of hams are using Winpack.
I

think it is on the QRZ cdrom and probably on a lot of bbs. I am sure you
will

get more replies. Good luck!   --- Steve N9ROU



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 11 16:57:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (ka0yos)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Homebrew FSK modem
Date: 7 Jul 1996 02:42:10 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>In article <[e-mail]> Kevin Pounders <[e-mail]>
writes:
>>From: Kevin Pounders <[e-mail]>
>>Subject: Homebrew FSK modem
>>Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 00:41:28 -0700
>
>>I am trying to build an FSK modem for use on 2M packet, but the plans
I
>>have calls for a TI TCM3105 FSK modem chip.
>
>>I have contacted all of the component suppliers that I know but am
unable
>>to locate this chip (is now obsoulite).
>
>
>It is not obsolete.  But I think TI is only making them in surface
mount
>packages now.

Try http://www.jdr.com



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 11 16:57:50 1996
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From: "Ron Murray" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: JNOS / G8BPQ
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:24:09 -0700
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Greetings.....

Can anyone point me to an 80386 executable of JNOS with the G8BPQ packet
code and the FTP Packet driver interface compiled in ?

If you have such a beast I can accept it via e-mail in MIME or UUcode.

Thanks !
Ron (KB7QHX)
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 11 16:57:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: KaWin News
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:47:44 GMT
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[e-mail] (Stan Huntting) wrote:

>KAWIN NEWS

>KaWin 6.39 is ready for download! Minor changes to the help
>file too.

>KaWin 6.39's enhancements are largely focused on the HF CW
>or RTTY operator, but there are some minor fixes that will
>be welcomed by all. They are described in the Squawk file.

>HF DX and contest operators will find a competitive
>advantage in the new option to send every keystroke as it is
>pressed, and those with access to a DXCluster will be one
>click ahead of the gang when a new spot appears by clicking
>on a DX spot and instantly setting the callsign in the HF
>context. Also, the automatic logging of HF QSOs in non-
>connected modes is now subject to operator confirmation - no
>more log entries for unsuccessful DX calls.

>All currently reported bugs are fixed in 6.39.

>73, Igottago... Stan ..

>KaWin News is published by Stan Huntting, KF0IA.
>--
>Stan Huntting,    KF0IA
>Email:            [e-mail]
>Fax:              303 444 2314
>KaWin home page:  http://www.mutadv.com/kawin/
>Postal address:   4655 Pleasant Ridge Rd.,
>                  Boulder, CO 80301-1731, USA

I downloaded KaWin the other day and tried it out with my KAM.  I have
to say, it is an EXCELLENT program!  It has features too numerous to
mention and is VERY intuitive, especially compared to other host mode
DOS based apps I've seen (keyboard Twister game skills not required).

The question I have is how many of you paid the $80?  I may give in to
peer pressure and buy it if others also think it's worth the money,
but it will take some serious thought to spend that on hobby software.

If it were $30, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
If it were $50, I'd think about it, but still buy it.

Any other opinions?




From [e-mail] Thu Jul 11 16:57:52 1996
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From: K.S.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: MFJ-1278B-Looking for any software
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 20:08:09 GMT
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I am looking for any software for the MFJ 1278B Multimod Controller

E-Mail: [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Jul 11 16:57:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Stan Huntting)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Older KAM and spurious character problem
Date: 8 Jul 1996 14:02:41 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,

>Some of the time, though, we experience what can best be
>described as spurious characters showing up in the terminal program.
>These characters are totally random and appear only in the terminal
>program, they do not appear to the KAM at all.

This sounds suspiciously like the classic symptom of a problem that
eventually afflicts many (most?) older Kams. The problem is low, or
poorly regulated, DC supply voltage. The cause can usually be traced to
one of two sources - one external to the Kam, and one internal. Check
out the external causes first, of course. Both

Since your symptoms seem to be triggered by keying the xmtr, I would
first look to the stability of your DC supply. If it is a shared supply,
it could be that the xmtr is pulling too much current for the regulation
of that supply to handle. As the DC voltage drops below some critical
point, the serial communications driver in the Kam becomes unstable and
begins generating garbage characters, output to the computer.

The internal source of the problem is usually traced to aging
electrolytic caps in the Kam. There are two little cans, located side by
side and very near the voltage regulator that is heatsinked to the Kam's
case. Replacing these seems to be an eventual requirement for most older
Kams. Fortunately, they're easier to replace and suitable replacements
are easy to come by.

73,

Stan
--
Stan Huntting,    KF0IA
Email:            [e-mail]
Fax:              303 444 2314
KaWin home page:  http://www.mutadv.com/kawin/
Postal address:   4655 Pleasant Ridge Rd.,
                  Boulder, CO 80301-1731, USA



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 11 16:57:53 1996
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From: Harris Maulden <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: THE NET +V2.08B LINK PROBLEMS
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 22:17:38 -0700
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I have been trying to link 2 MFJ1270's using the RS-232 port running The
Net +v2.08b. I have set the broadcast via both ports, used a null modem
cable, etc. All the software looks ok, both tnc's work individually ok,
but neither see each other...??? One is on 145.01 and the other is on
145.07 Not sure what else to look for.

Any suggestions appreciated. Since these system are at a site not easy to
get to, dont want to run a pc/bpq switch....73's Harris N5QJE

Email [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Jul 11 16:57:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Stephen Douglas)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Web Site Debut - DF Systems - Electronics
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Announcing the debut of DF Systems Web Site.
We are located in Sacramento, California and we specialize in Amateur
Radio, Radio Direction Finding, Doppler DF, Surplus Electronics and
Communications Equipment.

We are located at:
http://www.dfsystems.com

Come on by and check us out!

Stephen Douglas K6HZT
DF Systems
Radio Direction Finding
Electronic Surplus
[e-mail]
http://www.dfsystems.com
P.O.Box 246925
Sacramento, CA 95824-6925



From [e-mail] Thu Jul 11 16:57:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary K. Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: WEFAX
Date: 8 Jul 1996 13:23:18 GMT
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I have an AEA Fax III, and am interested in setting up an internet site
that updates these pictures periodically.  The biggest problem is the
fact that the software saves the pictures in .VGA format.  Does anyone
know a way to convert these pictures from this .VGA format to .GIF or
.JPG?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

BKB


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 15 17:02:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Lindsay)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: AEA DSP-232
Date: 12 Jul 1996 02:59:32 GMT
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In message <[e-mail]> - "Robert Mattaliano, N6RFM"
<[e-mail]>Sat, 6 Jul 1996 03:21:38 GMT writes:
:>
:>Am interested in any user comments on AEA DSP-232.
:>Have heard rumors of problems with early units ?
:>I am considering a purchase.  Please respond to me
:>directly.  I will post a summary to the newsgroup.
:>tks es 73,
:>Bob N6RFM
:>[e-mail]


Hi Bob

Well, I am using a DSP-232 and had lots of fun trying to get Winpac working. I
finally managed to klunge together the PK232 and PK96scr sets and had the
first line as expert on the very next line was dcdconn on. The very last line
is expert off. I then did an initialization which worked. Just have minor
tweaking to do to get it working as well as TPK.
I have had some prblems with the fuse blowing. There have been two very close
lightening strikes. Nothing was damaged or seemingly hit but I did notice that
the leds were off on the TNC. I checked and the fuse was blown. I replaced the
fuse and it did it again during the next storm. I finally phoned up AEA to
check it out and was told that the 1 amp fuse (which is clearly labeled for a
one amp fuse) - (and shows up in the schematic as a 1 amp fuse as well) should
in actual fact be a 2 amp fast blow. As soon as it pops again I will replace
it with a 2 amp. They also phoned me up when AEA received my registration card
because I had put in that it would be nice to get some sort of packet program
with the unit and AEA said that since unit # 300 they were giving away the
Packet program for windows the normally would sell for $100. I haven't yet
tried other modes because I haven't gotten the cable for radio 2 port. One of
these day!!

Anyway, it looks nice, It seems to be working very well on the VHF packet
side. If I ever get some kind of 440 rig I will be trying the 9600 baud side
of things.

Good luck

73 de john
ve3sjv@va3sed

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 15 17:02:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rainer Meisel)
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Subject: Amiga YAPP Software
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Hallo All !


Is there anybody who is using an amiga computer for packet radio ?
I need a program with the YAPP protocol builed in.



Gruss,
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 15 17:02:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital
Subject: Re: Digital Modes and the ARRL
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 17:52:03 GMT
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Hank Oredson <[e-mail]> wrote:

 < bunch of deleted stuff >

>The ARRL has generally failed dismally to provide any leadership
>in any of these areas (e.g. standards, best operating practices,
>inter-regional networking issues, etc. etc. etc.).

Amen.

>Had some hope that IDRA would provide such leadership, but it appears
>to not be happening.

>Such simple issues as "What designator should we use to mean that
>a bulletin should be sent to all BBS systems in North America" cannot
>even be resolved.  There is no mechanism to resolve these issues.

>The good news is that we have generally good local and regional
>networks.  The bad news is that the long haul networks have been
>preempted by the use of the internet and other commercial traffic
>handling means ... and are now pretty much dead.

>So maybe the answer to your questions is "Hams are not interested
>in creating a world-wide Ham Radio network, so the answer to your
>questions is unimportant.  Hams have chosen to use the telephone
>instead of Ham Radio to do these things."

First off, I am not directly involved with HF digital work, only VHF
and up...

However, the problems in HF digital traffic handling have had a HUGE
impact on the more local VHF+ operations, and so I offer my comments
here...

My personal opinion is that the reason that so much traffic is now
being passed via Internet is because of the lack of support of HF
digital operations by the ARRL. In other words, it is not so much that
folks have made the "choice" to use Internet forwarding and it is that
they have been "forced" to do so in order to move the traffic in some
sort of a reasonable time period, if indeed at all.

There are those that will argue that this places the "message before
the medium", but what good is a network that takes weeks to transfer a
message from Europe to North America?

Just my opinions.

Take Care & 73

Marty Albert - [e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM
Business Internet Sites from $29.00 a month?
http://www.adgrafix.com/info/calbertjr



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 15 17:02:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Fraser Lees)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: F6FBB
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:16:16 GMT
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Just a quicky,
Can anyone tell me the address of the [e-mail] so I
might have look if it still exits of course.

Many thanks de Fraser

                [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 15 17:02:15 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: HamComm program - any good?
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 23:46:46 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:


I'd add my support to the view expressed by Ken. I've been using the
software for over 12 months, and have managed to catch fax; ARQ and
FEC traffic from a variety of sources. For a low cost entry to these
modes there probably isn't anything better.

Kevin

>On Sun, 7 Jul 1996 wrt said:
>   >Does anyone have any experience with the HamComm program which lets
>   >you use your computer to receive RTTY without a separate TNC?  I
>   >downloaded it yesterday and it looks interesting.  All it requires
>   >is building a simple level converter out of a op-amp and a few
>   >parts.  It looks too good to be true and you know what they say
>   >about those kind of things...
>   >73, Bill W7LZP
>   >[e-mail]
>I built the receive part and it worked ok  never did get the transmit
>portion made.  I mostly used it to monitor packet before I had a TNC

>Ken  KC7CLO

>`[1;30;42mNet-Tamer V 1.04 - Test Drive





From [e-mail] Mon Jul 15 17:02:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Stacy Himmel)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Honduras?
Date: 12 Jul 1996 05:20:19 GMT
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I am definetly new to this and have a RCI 2950 with Single Side band, in
the afternoons I can hear countries such as mexico, costa rica,
belize...etc and hear local people from the U.S. responding to themm;

my problem is,,,I have a boat in , Honduras
and the the people looking after her have no phone, is there any one in
contact  with a single side band orr ham operator that may be locatad in
Honduras and can help me get messages out there?

thanks in advance,

 --












[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 15 17:02:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: I'm thinking about being a ham. My first question is, can I access the Internet through ham radio?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] ('70 S
uper Bee) writes:
>Hi everybody. I'm thinking about being a ham radio operator. I have a
>few questions. My first question is, can I access all areas of the
>Internet through packet radio? I already know that there are
>packet-Internet gateways, but I would like more information about
>this.

Technically, you can access all areas of the internet, but there are
legal issues regarding content and third party participation. You
cannot use amateur radio for commercial content, and non-amateur
messages to you fall under third party rules. With recent rules
changes about content, these items have become grey areas. In essence,
you *can* now access a commercial web page without violating the
commercial content regulations as long as it isn't done a part of
*your* regular business activity, IE it's Ok to read Netscape's
homepage, but not Ok to download their SDK for your business use,
but you could download it for amateur purposes.

>My second question is, I have been on some packet radio web
>sites, and on one, I saw something saying you can get T1 speed over
>packet radio, although it's not very common. Could someone please
>explain this to me too? Thanks.

You can do *better* than T1 via amateur radio, but right now you
have to *build* the equipment. The fastest amateur radio *product*
is 56 kb. Faster speeds require you to build the equipment yourself.
That's permitted (even encouraged) in amateur radio. To do T1 or
better, however, requires a lot of bandwidth, and the spectrum where
that bandwidth is available is microwave, which has range limitations
for terrestrial use, IE out to about 50 miles max in practice, usually
less, because of the line of sight nature of the common propagation
mode and the line of sight limit due to the Earth's curvature. If
you can live with that, the equipment is relatively easy to build.

Gary
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es
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 15 17:02:19 1996
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From: Patrick Cook <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: I'm thinking about being a ham. My first question is, can I access the Internet through ham radio?
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 03:21:03 -0600
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To: '70 Super Bee <[e-mail]>
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On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, '70 Super Bee wrote:

> Hi everybody. I'm thinking about being a ham radio operator. I have a
> few questions. My first question is, can I access all areas of the
> Internet through packet radio? I already know that there are
> packet-Internet gateways, but I would like more information about
> this. My second question is, I have been on some packet radio web
> sites, and on one, I saw something saying you can get T1 speed over
> packet radio, although it's not very common. Could someone please
> explain this to me too? Thanks.

To answer your question, you can access the Internet via ham radio, but
you can't access EVERYTHING!!  In other words, you can't access your
commercial account and do whatever you do on that account (or see email
messages that are "risque" in nature) unless you use it exclusevely for
ham radio (and even then, some ISP's will get frustrated with your SLOW
connection to their system.  I even had one hang up on me completely
BEFORE I even had a chance to log in).

You CAN, however, access packet radio or the AMPRnet, which is TCP/IP
protocols over amateur frequencies, via gateways.  I use UUGATE as my
gateway.  The following URL has a complete list of Internet-to-AMPRnet
gateways and should be EXTREMELY helpful.  The information on this URL
completely blew me away.

Check out this URL:  http://www.ccnet/~rwilkins/gateways.html

Hope this helps!!  :-)

Patrick Cook
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 15 17:02:20 1996
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From: Dennis Mobley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: KaWin News
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***SNIP***
>
> >If it were $30, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
> >If it were $50, I'd think about it, but still buy it.
>
> >Any other opinions?
***SNIP***

Hmmmm....

The cost of development for a project like this would be...

PC                      3000.00         (it ain't not toy dos box)
Visual Basic Dev tools   500.00
Labor                  52000.00
Misc (paper ink...)     2000.00
                       --------
Total est cost         57500.00

Number of copies to be sold to break even: $57500 / $79.00 = 727.85

Labor guess.
2 years work at 5 hours a day 5 days a week equal 2600 hours effort.
Let say Stan wanted to pay himself entry level programmer's salary
of 20 dollars and hour. The labor cost would run 2600 * 20 or $52000

In the real would you would have to double the 52 kilobucks to
cover such things as taxes and other employee costs.

Another way of looking at this would be to use the bean counters
view of about 10 dollar a line.

At 41000 lines * $10 = 410,000.00 dollars (This figure is what
I would expect if KaWin was develop at a commercial site rather
than a labor of love :-)

The break even would be $410,000 / $79.00 = 5189.87 copies.

How many Kam users are there???

In my dealings with Stan, I have found him to be a professional
software engineer and not a hacker. His work with KaWin reflect
his abilities.

When you want something for low cost or free (read pirate)
stop and think... What am I going to give in return for
all the time, research and effort in exchange for the
work the author has put into his/her project.

My 2 cents worth...
Dennis Mobley KT4FI

ps. Note, I did not include the cost of the outstanding
    beta test site that Stan utilized for quality control.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 15 17:02:22 1996
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From: Len Revelle <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: KaWin News
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 17:03:57 -0700
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willies wrote:
>
> J. Miner wrote:
> >
> > I also think that $80.00 is too high.  A have tried many programs for the
KAM.  KAGOLD,
> > KaWin, and XPKAM.  I personally can't see me speding that much for a "TERM
" Program.
> > For $80.00 you can almost get a new TNC.  I think that all of the programs
 of these
> > Shareware ham programs should wake up!!!  This is a Hobby not a Commerical
 Service.
> >
> > 73 all de
> > Jon N2XFZ
> >
> > --
> > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-+
> > |o  WWW: http://www.j51.com/~richard          Email: [e-mail]
o|
> > |   Amateur Packet : N2XFZ@W2DMC.#ENY.NY.USA.NA      [e-mail]
 |
> > |   TCP/IP : [e-mail] [44.68.48.156]
 |
> > |o  PGP Public Access Key:  finger  [e-mail]
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> YO Guys..Wake up!!!! This man spent a lot of time putting together an
> great product (hats off to you Stan.) For those of you who run KA-Gold,
> how much do you have to pay for an upgrade.(KAWIN is free upgrade when
> you register last time I looked!!)
>
> How many other programs out there support 32bit systems like Win95 or
> even more Windows NT..(by the way Stan the new stuff is great with my NT
> box, super fast and NT dose not complain!!)
>
> What I would really like to know is where can I find these cheap NEW TNC
> bargains??? Have not found any REAL TNC's for under $130. and I can get
> them at dealer cost!!
>
> Well there is my thoughts and feelings 73's for now..
>
> Willie..KB5TES
> Houston, Texas

-- You are, of course and unfortunately, correct. Stan did produce one heck of
 an application. We hams forget
that we are a relatively small market for most producers. Many still run low e
nd computers for the same reason
we gripe about software prices. It's tough for many to justify the cost of sta
te of the art for our hobbies so
we expect the sellers to knuckle to our concept of value.

-- Though I was extremely impressed with KaWin (as well as XPKAM) I've not bee
n able to justify their cost for
my level of digi activity and don't use either at present. I suspect I will ev
entually register XPKAM primarily
because I still have a 286 laptop running DOS.



********************************
| Len Revelle   [e-mail] |
| Illinois      CIS 72607,1320 |
|  KE9YR        AMA 60055      |
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 15 17:02:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Todd Owen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Microwave digital link
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 13:40:09 GMT
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[e-mail] (Craig Gibson) wrote:

>Hi there

>I'm wanting to set up an experimental 2M/b microwave link or actually
>any speed digital link using 2 or 10 GHz. Anyone got a circuit or any
>Ideas other than the article in the ARRL Handbook?

>Please send via email to [e-mail]
>Thanks

Start at http://www.tiac.net/users/wade/ and start following the
10 GHz links.


--73, Todd KE4UDN

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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 15 17:02:23 1996
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From: Frederic RIBLE F1OAT <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Scoop : FBB software for Linux
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 12:18:57 +0200
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Jean-Paul F6FBB is currently working on a new version of his famous
BBS software : XFBB for Linux / X-Window.
First release is in alpha-test and runs with TNC-2 and DED firmware.
Next step is integration above AF_AX25 domain sockets.
A screen dump is available at http://fpac.lmi.ecp.fr
As soon as software is available for beta-test, informations will be
posted to this newsgroup.

73's Frederic [e-mail].


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 15 17:02:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Karl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: TRS-80 Model 100
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:47:28 GMT
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I have a TRS-80 Model 100 which I would like to use for Packet and
RTTY with a AEA PK-232.  Does anyone know where I can find terminal
software on this computer?

Thanks
KB2AS
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 15 17:02:25 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Black)
Date: 12 Jul 96 00:10:52
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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[e-mail] (Karl) said:
"I have a TRS-80 Model 100 which I would like to use for Packet and
RTTY with a AEA PK-232.  Does anyone know where I can find terminal
software on this computer?
"

Who needs terminal software for this old lapt-top?  It has a terminal
program built into ROM.  I was always under the impression that
people using packet got along fine with dumb terminals for their
TNC's, and it's only in more recent years that programs that turned
your computer into a terminal specifically for use with a TNC were
written.  Face it, when packet first hit the air back in 1978 or so,
there were relatively few computers out and about.  There was still
a market for baudot machines, and model 33 ASCII teletype machines
were in great demand, not only with hams wanting to put them on
the air, but also with computer hobbyists needing cheap terminals
and hardcopy for use with their newly built home computers.
So back then, when people talked about using terminals with their
TNC's, they just might simply be using actual terminals, not computers.

So try the terminal software built into the Model 100 before looking
for fancy software that may or may not exist.

     Michael  VE2BVW
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| Return Address:      [e-mail]
| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly their own.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 15 17:02:26 1996
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From: Chuck Harrington <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Visual PacketPeT Web Sight
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:11:06 -0500
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The Visual PacketPeT Web Sight is now online at
http://www.gate.net/~paketpet/ for you to get information and
download Visual PacketPeT Version 3, the new improved Windows
packet / digital software that works with virtually all TNC /
Data Controllers.

73 Chuck
--

Visual PacketPeT - Terminal Software For All hardware TNCs!
Visit WEB SIGHT  - http://www.gate.net/~paketpet
DOWNLOAD -
ftp://ftp.gate.net/ftp/pub/users/paketpet/vpaket31.zip
EMAIL - [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jean-Luc BARRAUD)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: "Baycom" type HDLC encoder/decoder
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 19:21:15 GMT
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                        Hello,

        I am working on a project for wich I need to write the low-level HDLC
encoding/decoding. I have already done encoding with a 68705, but
decoding is still a mystery for me. I have seen a "BAYCOM" source code
some years ago, but as I did not need it at this time, I did not pay
attention to this listing.
        If you have any listing in any language for encoding/decoding of
packet frames on a single I/O line (without SCC or SIO), I AM
INTERESTED.

        Thank you.

                73's de Jean-Luc F1JEK

        /*-------------------------------------*/
        /*       F1JEK Jean-Luc BARRAUD        */
        /*       sysop F8KKA.FPOC.FRA.EU       */
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From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jean-Luc BARRAUD)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: "Baycom" type HDLC encoder/decoder
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 19:22:55 GMT
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                        Hello,

        I am working on a project for wich I need to write the low-level HDLC
encoding/decoding. I have already done encoding with a 68705, but
decoding is still a mystery for me. I have seen a "BAYCOM" source code
some years ago, but as I did not need it at this time, I did not pay
attention to this listing.
        If you have any listing in any language for encoding/decoding of
packet frames on a single I/O line (without SCC or SIO), I AM
INTERESTED.

        Thank you.

                73's de Jean-Luc F1JEK

        /*-------------------------------------*/
        /*       F1JEK Jean-Luc BARRAUD        */
        /*       sysop F8KKA.FPOC.FRA.EU       */
        /*       PacSat : AO-16 & LU-19        */
        /*       CIS-ID : 100343,3613          */
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        /*-------------------------------------*/




From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 2m Amplifier for Packet?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <4se80u$[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:00:46 GMT
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In article <4se80u$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rane Cu
rl) writes:
>I would like to ask whether amplifiers may be used with packet
>radio and, if so, what types/makes are useable. I have a RFC
>Concepts 2-23 30 watt 2-m amplifier, but it has relay transfer,
>which may be too slow for (1200 baud) packet. Comments and
>recommendations would be welcome. Thanks!

Most relay switched amps (and radios too) are plenty fast to
handle 1200 baud packet. Txd is normally 40-50 which is 400
to 500 milliseconds, IE half a second. Most relays switch
lots faster than that. In fact, it is not uncommon to find
a TR relay that switches in 20 milliseconds, and that's
tolerable even at 9600 baud.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 2m Amplifier for Packet?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <4se80u$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:19:52 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>>In article <4se80u$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rane
Curl) writes:
>>>I would like to ask whether amplifiers may be used with packet
>>>radio and, if so, what types/makes are useable. I have a RFC
>>>Concepts 2-23 30 watt 2-m amplifier, but it has relay transfer,
>>>which may be too slow for (1200 baud) packet. Comments and
>>>recommendations would be welcome. Thanks!
>>
>>Most relay switched amps (and radios too) are plenty fast to
>>handle 1200 baud packet. Txd is normally 40-50 which is 400
>>to 500 milliseconds, IE half a second. Most relays switch
>>lots faster than that. In fact, it is not uncommon to find
>>a TR relay that switches in 20 milliseconds, and that's
>>tolerable even at 9600 baud.
>
>Most packet TNC's have variable TXD parameters and can be adjusted up
>to over a second.  Normally, timing is not critical to packet links.

Alas, it isn't quite that simple. In a WAN environment, the slowest
switching radio determines the Txd that *every* radio in the WAN has
to use. Otherwise, other stations can't work him successfully, and
he can inadvertently become the mother of all hidden terminals for
everyone else's communications. So timing *is* critical.

There is an advantage to having all the radios in a system capable
of a rapid TR turnaround. The flag transmission during Txd carries no
intelligence, it just allows the slowest radio to synchronize. So
if all the radios can handle a short Txd, more channel time is available
for intelligence to be transmitted. At 1200 baud, and with typical
frame sizes, a Txd of 40-50 is tolerable since it is only a small
percent of total transmit time. At 9600 baud, a much shorter Txd
is desired (8x shorter to keep the same percentage ratio).

But the relay is usually not the slowest part of the TR turnaround.
Usually, the slowest thing is receiver recovery. So as long as the
relay switching time is less than the receiver recovery time, there
is no penalty paid for using relay switching. (That assumes auxillary
contacts on the TR relay aren't also what activates the receiver.
In that case, the two times cascade, and performance is directly
penalized.) The receiver has to recover before the TNC clock can
synchronize, so those two times always cascade. Receiver recovery
time is almost always much longer than TNC clock lock, however,
so it tends to dominate.

There are several factors which control receiver recovery time.
For PLL radios, PLL lock time is often important. But the major
thing is usually the charging time of the B+ decoupling capacitors
in the receiver.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:19 1996
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From: William W Janssen <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga YAPP Software
Date: 18 Jul 1996 14:52:32 GMT
Organization: CalWeb Internet Services, Inc.
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[e-mail] (SARUMAN) wrote:
>>Hallo All !
>
>
>>Is there anybody who is using an amiga computer for packet radio ?
>>I need a program with the YAPP protocol builed in.
>
>
>
>>Gruss,
>>   __        . .
>>   /_)      /|/|
>>  / \ainer /   |eisel
>> /        /
>
>Amiga user here but so far no Packet use. I only received my Ham Licence a fe
w
>days ago. try on Aminet tho at ftp.netnet.net in the pub/aminet/comm
>directory's. Good Luck
><tsb>
>                               Midgard Graphics
>           3D Animation and Special FX for the hobbyist videographer
>                          Email: [e-mail]
>
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Try Blackbelt for software. You may have to call or send Email
to get the info you want.

See their web site;

fttp://www.blackbelt.com/blackbelt/bx_home.htm

I have Amiga software from them.

Bill



From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
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Subject: Re: APRS - ANYONE USE THIS MODE?
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 20:30:11 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> Rolfe Tessem <[e-mail]> writes:

>I have another question about APRS, namely, what in the world is it good
>for? I can understand why one might want to track the location of a car,
>boat, or aircraft. But in terms of two-way, amateur communication, I have a
>hard time figuring out where APRS fits in.

>Perhaps someone can enlighten me.

>Rolfe
>W3VH

Rolfe.

APRS is a clever program that takes advantage of a TNCs UNPROTO and
BEACON command. In conjunction with either user enetered, or GPS generated,
LAT and LON coordinates, it can mark (or track) objects on its built in map(s)
.

A couple of uses that come to mind, would be for say, a marathon race or the
like. You could outfit the lead vehicle, and the chase vehicle (or persons)
with a GPS/TNC/HT setup, and the progress (group of runners) of the race could
be tracked through the race on one frequency automatically from a "command
post", without the cumbersome use of voice communications.

Another would be certain rescue operations. The "command post" could track and

follow a group of rescuers, in say a wooded area, and be able to effectively
coordinate the effort to cover the entire area, while keeping rescuers apart,
and aviod wastefull "back-tracking" of already searched areas.

APRS is relatively new, and is considered to be experimental...which is an
obvious reason for continued development, and considered one of the "back
bone" aspects of amatuer radio...which is an area that I think all hams will
agree should continue.

Hope this helps with your query Rolfe.

Take care.


Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:21 1996
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From: Bob Winingham <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: APRS - ANYONE USE THIS MODE?
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See  www.tapr.org  of main APRS info source.

ftp://ftp.tapr.org/tapr/SIG/aprssig/

for downloading of the 3 formats of APRS
DOS, WIN-95 , MAC


The APRS dOC's have lots of Ideas for use.





From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: APRS - ANYONE USE THIS MODE?
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In article <[e-mail]> Rolfe Tessem <[e-mail]> writes:
>Todd Erickson wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone done any experimenting with APRS?  Would like to know where I
>> could get some software for the base here and what tnc's and gps
>> receivers you use in the mobile.
>
>I have another question about APRS, namely, what in the world is it good
>for? I can understand why one might want to track the location of a car,
>boat, or aircraft. But in terms of two-way, amateur communication, I have a
>hard time figuring out where APRS fits in.

Basically, it doesn't. APRS has a mode where you can exchange short
messages with other stations, but its primary purpose is for tracking
telemetry. That can be very useful, for tracking a balloon launch
for example, or for keeping track of comm assets during an emergency,
or simply for monitoring what propagation paths are available at
a given moment.

Not everything amateur has to be realtime two way communications.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
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From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Mack)
Subject: Re: APRS - ANYONE USE THIS MODE?
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In article <[e-mail]> cgreenha@magnus.a
cs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher K. Greenhalgh) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> Rolfe Tessem <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>I have another question about APRS, namely, what in the world is it good
>>for? I can understand why one might want to track the location of a car,
>>boat, or aircraft. But in terms of two-way, amateur communication, I have a
>>hard time figuring out where APRS fits in.

Well clearly it isn't any use for what we do now, we have to find something
to do with it. If we do find something for it to do,m then we risk it becoming
essential :-)

        A club I was in used to do the coms for a 100 mile horse race
in the mountains west of Washington DC. Hams were at each check point
using packet to relay the times that horses clocked in. THis
way we could tell if any horses were overdue. It would have been very nice
if the location of each station could have been updated automaticallyback k
at the nerve center of the horse race, as each station/check point opned
and closed.

        Bob WB4APR is using APRS for meteor scatter. You point your
antenna to the radiant for the meteor shower and turn on your APRS machine.
After w while you've found all the people in range for the meteor shower.

        Ham's doing emergency communications can be tracked automatically.

        Bob is working ona scheme where your regular voice modulated box sends
an APRS burst at the end of every transmission. That way you know
where the other guy is all the time (you can point your beam and fill out
the QSL card, in the time normall taken to hunt for him with the
roator control).

        Joe NA3T
        [e-mail]
.





From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (David Siegrist)
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Subject: AX25 interface help needed
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 Hello folks,
   I am attempting to write an interface to the AX25 program written by
 SP9VRC (Pawel Jalocha).  I am having a difficult time getting the callback
 function to get the correct address for my routine, and actually call
 me back.

 Has anyone out there successfully written an interface to this program?
 Any help/example code would be most appreciated.

 Please respond by email, (and copy here if you like...), as my ability
 to check the newsgroup daily is suspect.

 Thanks!
   dave   /nt1u


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:25 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Baycom BP-2 wiring cable
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In article <4sp693$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (jerry wang) writes:
>Greetings,
>I am trying to wire a cable for my BP-2 that is coming next week.
>According to the Baycom help file, it says the following
>
>    YAESU - PTT is normally activated by grounding the mic input thru a
>    resistor.  The internal resistor in the BP-1 should work just fine.
>
>            Wires:  Red - No Connection
>                    Yel - Tip of mic plug
>                    Grn - Tip of speaker plug
>                    Blk - Body of speaker plug
>            Shunt:  Install shunt on BP-1 to use internal resistor
>
>
>Well, now I have several phone cords that have different color schemes.
>
>Here's a picture from the bottom:
>   ____
>  ||||||
>  |    |  <-- clip is underneath
>  |____|
>    ||
>    ||
>    ||
>    ||
>Reading it left to right, one is yellow, green, red, black.
>Another one is black, red, green, yellow.
>It appears that some of these phone cords are reversed.  Which way is correct
?
>For now I did it the way of majority rules, which is most of the phone
>cords I have are this way: yellow, green, red, black.  I hope this is
>right because I hate to take it apart and resolder it all.
>
>HELP!
>Jerry KE6UUX

Jerry, ordinary phone cords are not wired "one to one". Each end is
the mirror image of the other. So one end of the cord will be yellow,
green, red, black while the other end will be black, red, green,
yellow. (Hey, I didn't invent the convention, go ask Western Electric
why they did it this way.) So it depends on which end of the cord
you are looking at as to which color scheme is correct.

More to the point here, you aren't hooking up a phone, so it doesn't
matter what colors you use. Just make sure PTT goes to PTT, audio
out goes to audio in, etc. Ring it out with an ohmmeter if you have
to.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:26 1996
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From: [e-mail] (jerry wang)
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Subject: Baycom BP-2 wiring cable
Date: 19 Jul 1996 23:38:11 GMT
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Greetings,
I am trying to wire a cable for my BP-2 that is coming next week.
According to the Baycom help file, it says the following

    YAESU - PTT is normally activated by grounding the mic input thru a
    resistor.  The internal resistor in the BP-1 should work just fine.

            Wires:  Red - No Connection
                    Yel - Tip of mic plug
                    Grn - Tip of speaker plug
                    Blk - Body of speaker plug
            Shunt:  Install shunt on BP-1 to use internal resistor


Well, now I have several phone cords that have different color schemes.

Here's a picture from the bottom:
   ____
  ||||||
  |    |  <-- clip is underneath
  |____|
    ||
    ||
    ||
    ||
Reading it left to right, one is yellow, green, red, black.
Another one is black, red, green, yellow.
It appears that some of these phone cords are reversed.  Which way is correct?
For now I did it the way of majority rules, which is most of the phone
cords I have are this way: yellow, green, red, black.  I hope this is
right because I hate to take it apart and resolder it all.

HELP!
Jerry KE6UUX


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Terry Pridgen)
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Subject: Best PK232 Shareware?
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Need to know if there is a shareware version of Acuterm for the PK232 or
is there a better shareware package available? Would appreciate your
comments. Please respond to my Email address: [e-mail]
 73, Terry, KC4YTF

--




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From: [e-mail] (Jungle Jim)
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      BRANTFORD AMATEUR RADIO CLUB'S

                                 FLEA MARKET


                    At Burford Fairgrounds, Burford, Ontario
                    On Highway 53 - 15 km West of Brantford

                          SATURDAY  AUGUST 17th, 1996

                     From 9:00 am...........Admission $5.00
              Vendors 7:30 am...........$8.00/table plus admission
               Tailgaters Welcome...........$4.00 plus admission
         Expanded: 2 buildings this year..........Acres of free parking
         Major Door Prize: $700 gift certificate from Norham Radio Inc.
                          Talk-in on VE3TCR  147.150+

             For more info and table reservations, phone or write:
      Richard La Rose, VE3RLX                Brantford Amateur Radio Club
      153 Dunsdon St.                        P.O. Box 25036
      Brantford, ON. N3R 6N3                 Brantford, ON. N3T 6K5
      519-752-2437









From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:29 1996
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Subject: calculating line of sight
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I have been searching in vain for a program or formula that will let
me calculate line of sight distance of VHF/UHF/SHF transmissions.

Any pointers to this info?


73, graham  ve3ghm

--

                  Graham Collins   [e-mail]

 If an orange is called an orange, why isn't a grapefruit called a
yellow?


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:30 1996
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To: Graham Collins <[e-mail]>

Graham Collins wrote:
>
> I have been searching in vain for a program or formula that will let
> me calculate line of sight distance of VHF/UHF/SHF transmissions.
>
> Any pointers to this info?
>
> 73, graham  ve3ghm

Seat of the pants I use (K)*SQR*H, where K (K-factor) is 1.33
and H is in feet.

I answered a similar question on the TAPR Spread Spectrum
mailing list a bit ago also. Here it is:

At 06:51 PM 7/10/96 -0500, Rick W0TN wrote:
 >Jeff,
 >
 >What link analysis program do you use?
 >
 >73/Rick W0TN

The topo 'program' I use is a excel spread sheet I got off of
http://www.gate.net/~dlung/indexftp.html . Its got versions
for lotus also. I've used various link analysis programs but
around here (Michigan) its often hard to get a line of site
path. With the graph function of EXCEL, I can get a good
idea of the fresnel zones and I can play "what if's" with
antenna heights. Note, you do need a topographical map to
enter the data. I understand there are CD-ROM databases
with all the topographical data already in them but I
believe they are expensive ($2000+ ??).





>
> --
>
>                   Graham Collins   [e-mail]
>
>  If an orange is called an orange, why isn't a grapefruit called a
> yellow?


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:31 1996
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From: Rolfe Tessem <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Clover in Commercial Service
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:28:07 -0400
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To: Erik Skovgaard <[e-mail]>

Erik Skovgaard wrote:
>
> I read in a boating magazine that some commercial weather services use
> Clover.  Can anyone tell me if I can use my Hal P38 to receive the
> signals?  Which frequency should I listen to?

I don't know about commercial weather services, but Globe Wireless uses
a proprietary version of Clover that is incompatible with the amateur
version. Check out  http://www.globewireless.com.

Rolfe
W3VH

--
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[e-mail]           |       96 Morton Street
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Nick Kralevich wrote:

> I have the unique fortune of living about 1000 ft (0.2 miles, or 330
> meter) away from an internet service provider.  I've been working with
> this provider for quite some time, and I want to setup a full time
> link to them.  I am hoping that this will be a high speed link
> (1/2 T1 speed).  Laying actual wire is out of the question, because it
> crosses heavily used roads.

This won't work on amateur frequencies, as the transmissions comming
from the internet would most likely contain material from non-amateurs
and could also be made up of content unsuitable for transmission on
the amateur bands.

Mark  <KB9KHM>


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From: [e-mail] (Stewart Teaze)
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Subject: Re: Digital Microwave Radio
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In article <[e-mail]>, Mark <[e-mail]
.edu> says:
 >
 >Nick Kralevich wrote:
 >
 >> I have the unique fortune of living about 1000 ft (0.2 miles, or 330
 >> meter) away from an internet service provider.  I've been working with
 >> this provider for quite some time, and I want to setup a full time
 >> link to them.  I am hoping that this will be a high speed link
 >> (1/2 T1 speed).  Laying actual wire is out of the question, because it
 >> crosses heavily used roads.
 >
 >This won't work on amateur frequencies, as the transmissions comming
 >from the internet would most likely contain material from non-amateurs
 >and could also be made up of content unsuitable for transmission on
 >the amateur bands.
 >
 >Mark  <KB9KHM>

As long as one could reasonably ensure the transmissions were compliant,
there should not be a problem.  For example e-mail forwarding should
be OK(3rd party traffic, right?), but reading alt.sex.xxx newsgroups
containing profanity or business spams probably shouldn't be OK.

The only REAL Part 15 argument that could work against your link, would
be that it would be BYPASSING a viable commercial means of communications;
the telephone.  However, if you kept a web page that was up 24hrs/day,
you can argue that it is not reasonable to keep a telephone link
operational 24hrs/day, and so you would not be bypassing a commercial
system.

However, why worry about amateur compliance anyway?
The 900mhz band is now available for public data communications use,
and would probably work for Nick's application.



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In article <4snmlr$[e-mail]>,
Bob Merritt <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Go to the nearest ham radio store and buy a copy of the ARRL Handbook
>for Radio Amateurs and then read up on the 10Ghz Gunnplexor/2MBPS
>project....

Will do!

>You can also get a jumpstart by checking out the various links from my
>web pages on high speed packet....
>http://www.mindspring.com/~bobm

Will do!  :)

>Oh the
>guys over in Utah have put together a T1 system, do a search to find
>more info on it...

Do you have a hint for what to search for?

>also you might want to check out "off the shelf"
>solutions with things like the WaveLan cards....

I was hoping to avoid "off the shelf" solutions due to their high cost.
Besides, it would be interesting to experiment with building equipment
like this.

>Realistically, using the new WA4DSY 56k RF modems may be what you
>need....

I'll look into that too.

Thanks for all the info!

Oh, one more question.  Do you have any idea how much this type of
project would cost?

Take care,
-- Nick Kralevich
   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:38 1996
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: [e-mail] (Nick Kralevich) wrote in article
<4smur8$[e-mail]>...
: I have the unique fortune of living about 1000 ft (0.2 miles, or 330
: meter) away from an internet service provider.  I've been working with
: this provider for quite some time, and I want to setup a full time
: link to them.  I am hoping that this will be a high speed link
: (1/2 T1 speed).  Laying actual wire is out of the question, because it
: crosses heavily used roads.
:
: I read on rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc that a microwave transmitter
: and receiver combo would be the ideal solution to this problem.
: In addition to being low cost, it also gives the necessary range and
: high speed performance for what I need (this is what I read...).
:
: I'm guessing that I have to design my own setup for this type
: of thing.  Actually, I would prefer to do my own construction of
: this microwave transmitter, since it would give me good experience
: dealing with microwave circuits (I'm a recent graduate of UC Berkeley
: with a bachleors degree in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science).
:
: I've been doing a lot of internet research, in addition to going
: to book stores and libraries to find a design for this type of thing.
: Unfortunately, I can't find any design online or in books.
:
: Does anyone know of a design for a digital microwave
transmitter/receiver
: combo that is available on the internet or in book form?  Or
: perhaps I'm going about this in the wrong direction...
:
: Once I got the hardware in place, I could handle the IP routing
: myself.  (I'm great with software, but not quite as good with hardware).
:
: Any suggestions would be appreciated.


As my boss always says "why re-invent the wheel?"  Western Multiplex makes
a little SS unit for 2GHz called the Lynx.  These are showing up on the
surplus market because for high reliablilty/quality most cell techs don't
like them (a matter of personal taste).  I would think that picking up a
used pair of these would be cheaper and easier than building something
unless you're looking for the experience.  These units don't require a
license for operation as they are covered under part 15.  I've put up 40
mile hops with them (using 8 foot high performance dishes) so I would
think that a pair of homebrew yagi's would get the job done for you.




From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:42 1996
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From: "R.R. Keller" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital
Subject: Re: Digital Modes and the ARRL
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 15:33:00 -0400
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Bob Lewis wrote:
>
> Why not expand digital modes down into the CW portion?  There seems to
> be more free spectrum available there.  All digital ops (including CW)
> need to use 500 hz receive filters AND make sure they are not
> overdriving the rig on AFSK and that they have no hum on the signal due
> to ground loops, etc.
>
>  We also need to get
> some good digital related articles into QST.  I enjoy Pactor News and
> the Digital Journal but these reach primarily the serious digital ops
> wereas QST articles reach the "average" ham who probably has little
> information beyond voice and CW (when is the last time you read a
> Pactor-II article in QST?).

I could not agree with you more.  Somehow, ARRL got sidetracked by the
Internet which represented "digital communications" to the organization.
Unfortunately, they didn't notice the "Radio" was missing!  HF digital
communications is a robust, functional process with ever improving
methods.  I recently surfed some information on the SCS web page and was
surprised at the detailed, high tech discussions for "amateur"
consumption.  It seems we are rapidly falling behind in our capability
to understand and participate in this emerging radio mode.

73, Bob
The opinions expressed do not reflect those of my employer.


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:42 1996
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DRSI PCPA PC Packet adpater for sale.
Has 1 1200 baud port
1 rs-232 port for high speed packet modem
software
$150 u.s.+shipping.

Jason KB8SFC
Please relpy via E-MAIL
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:43 1996
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Subject: FBB + Dx-cluster (Pavillion ) Forwarding ..???
From: [e-mail] (Ibrahim Alshugair)
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Hi and thanks 4 reading this one..
I have a Packet bbs and i want to forward some messages and dx news to
9K2RA DX-cluster they r using Pavillion Softwar for dx-cluster.
they make me as bbs but when i get connect to the cluster my bbs did not
Initiat forwarding and i think there must be some command to be set from
thier side.
Pse help if u can ..
pse send e-mail to
          [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:44 1996
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From: Matt Werner <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: FS: Kantronics KPC-3 $45
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 00:29:58 -0500
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Ha,
>
>   Made you look!
>
>   (It's just that every time I see one of these ads, they are always
>
>    GONE).
>
>   D.G.

Ok, I'm sorry, but don't see the humor in the above message.  So is what you d
id was make me waste my time and
money to download your joke.  Funny.  Real humorous.


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:45 1996
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From: "John W.(Bill) Hays" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Gateway-where,how
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 22:25:45 +0000
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I know this has been asked B4 SRI
An acquaintance has asked how to get access to the internet via
HF and/or VHF packet to aneable two way xfer of personal messages
between friends on the internet.
I have seen a "7" land station that runs such a similar system.
I'd appreciate any help.
de Bill w0omv or [e-mail] or [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:46 1996
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From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Ham-Digital Digest V
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:40:49 -0700
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Jim Hammock wrote:
> It's hard for me to find merit in a posting from a person who be able
> to reasonably communicate in their primary language.

Dang Jim, this must not be my primary language. I don't know what it means. :-
)

73, Cecil, W6RCA, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:47 1996
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If you get boared. Check out my Ham Page. Lots of good links!
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5860
--
Dave Booth
kc6wfs


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Richard L. Mock)
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[e-mail] ('70 Super Bee) wrote:
>Hi everybody. I'm thinking about being a ham radio operator. I have a
>few questions. My first question is, can I access all areas of the
>Internet through packet radio? I already know that there are
>packet-Internet gateways, but I would like more information about
>this. My second question is, I have been on some packet radio web
>sites, and on one, I saw something saying you can get T1 speed over
>packet radio, although it's not very common. Could someone please
>explain this to me too? Thanks.

Why would anyone want to access the internet via ham radio?  The other
way... maybe.  Unless you are interested in radio, just stay on
the internet.  You'll be happier.

But there are plenty of reasons to become a ham radio operator.
Applying digital techniques to radio is just plain interesting.
No it ain't fast, but the reason isn't that ham radio is
backward technologically.  There are challenges and obstacles to
overcome.  That's what makes it fun.  There's more to life than
firepower.

73,  (Best regards)
Dick - W7DHS
[e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Carlyle Gerde)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Is Pactor2 going to be "the mode"?
Date: 17 Jul 1996 17:46:06 GMT
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  Having read QST's July article about digital modes, I am
wondering if Pactor2 will be the main mode in digital HF
commo.  It seems to have the bandwidth and data rate that is
wanted by Hams.  It is not "owned" by one company so there
should be multiple vendors which increases the chances that
hams will use it.  Any comments?


  I would say that automatic selection of phase shift rather
than the current manual selection (CSC's version) will make
it more usable.

73...N9NWO



From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:49 1996
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From: Phil Sussman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Is Pactor2 going to be "the mode"?
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 20:52:23 -0400
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Carlyle Gerde wrote:
>
>   Having read QST's July article about digital modes, I am
> wondering if Pactor2 will be the main mode in digital HF
> commo.
> Any comments?



>   I would say that automatic selection of phase shift rather
> than the current manual selection (CSC's version) will make
> it more usable.
>
> 73...N9NWO

PACTOR-2 has auto selection. The writers of the QST article
were not 'up to date'.


See http://www.pactor.com
73 de Phil - KB8LUJ


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rick Whiting)
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Subject: Re: Is Pactor2 going to be "the mode"?
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At 04:30 7/18/96 PDT, Phil Karn <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Personally, I don't consider Pactor, AMTOR, G-TOR *or* Clover to be
>"it". I think it is still possible to do much better in the design
>of a digital HF protocol.
[material deleted]
>I have been sketching out ideas for a coded M-ary FSK modem that
>I firmly believe will outperform, in power, all of these narrowband
>modems. I will, of course, need an STA to try them out on the HF
>bands. Once I have demonstrated that they work, the next step will
>be to convince the amateur population to support a rule change
>to relax bandwidth limits in order to obtain the benefits of lower
>power levels.
[material deleted]

What are the consequences of promoting relatively wide band digital modes,
e.g., on band occupancy and throughput. What gets optimized? Are there
tradeoffs in quality (throughput per session) vs. quantity (number of
simultaneous sessions supported)?

In short, why will amateur radio be better with wide vs. narrow digital
modes? I think making the case for relatively wide bandwidth approaches will
be easier if the answers to these questions at the operational level are
widely understood.
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From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:54 1996
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From: Phil Karn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Is Pactor2 going to be "the mode"?
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 05:05:36 -0700
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To: Gary Coffman <[e-mail]>

Gary Coffman wrote:

> If you work through the Shannon equation, you can show that the
> improvement gotten by expanded bandwidth compared to a narrowband
> CNR improvement is a cube/square relation. The wider you spread,
> the greater the relative improvement factor.

I'd like to see your analysis.

The SS capacity analysis actually involves more than the Shannon
equation. It depends also on propagation factors. Free space
propagation is inverse square, but much terrestrial propagation
is inverse r^4 or even higher. This is what makes cellular telephony
(especially CDMA) work.

A little thought will show that geographical frequency reuse won't
scale arbitrarily with an inverse-square propagation law. It's related
to Olber's
Paradox: "Why is the sky dark at night?" Just how is left as an
exercise for the reader...

Phil


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:55 1996
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From: Jean-Luc BARRAUD <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: looking for "Baycom" type SOURCE
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 21:18:07 +0200
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Hello,

        I am working on a project for wich I need to write the low-level HDLC
encoding/decoding. I have already done encoding with a 68705, but decoding is
still a
mystery for me. I have seen a "BAYCOM" source code some years ago, but as I di
d not need
it at this time, I did not pay attention to this listing.
        If you have any listing in any language for encoding/decoding of packet frame
s
on a single I/O line (without SCC or SIO), I AM INTERESTED.

        Thank you.

                73's de Jean-Luc F1JEK

        /*-------------------------------------*/
        /*       F1JEK Jean-Luc BARRAUD        */
        /*       sysop F8KKA.FPOC.FRA.EU       */
        /*       PacSat : AO-16 & LU-19        */
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From: Jean-Luc BARRAUD <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: looking for "Baycom" type SOURCE
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Hello,

        I am working on a project for wich I need to write the low-level HDLC
encoding/decoding. I have already done encoding with a 68705, but decoding is
still a
mystery for me. I have seen a "BAYCOM" source code some years ago, but as I di
d not need
it at this time, I did not pay attention to this listing.
        If you have any listing in any language for encoding/decoding of packet frame
s
on a single I/O line (without SCC or SIO), I AM INTERESTED.

        Thank you.

                73's de Jean-Luc F1JEK

        /*-------------------------------------*/
        /*       F1JEK Jean-Luc BARRAUD        */
        /*       sysop F8KKA.FPOC.FRA.EU       */
        /*       PacSat : AO-16 & LU-19        */
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        /*      e-mail  : [e-mail]      */
        /*-------------------------------------*/


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:57 1996
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From: "Roger E. Koss" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Model 25 Computer, KAM, and KaGold
Date: 17 Jul 1996 16:24:26 GMT
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Has anyone interfaced these successfully ? My Friend Strait, KD4KEU would
like your help. You can e-mail replies to me, or post them and I will see
that he gets them. Thanks for your time.



From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:46:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff McLeman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Model 25 Computer, KAM, and KaGold
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 22:06:45 GMT
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On Wed, 17 Jul 1996 20:41:34 GMT, [e-mail]
(Christopher K. Greenhalgh) wrote:

>In article <4sj43q$[e-mail]> "Roger E. Koss" <[e-mail]
sa.gov> writes:
>
>>Has anyone interfaced these successfully ? My Friend Strait, KD4KEU would
>>like your help. You can e-mail replies to me, or post them and I will see
>>that he gets them. Thanks for your time.
>
>Hi Roger.
>
>Can you give us more information? Are you just asking if it will work, or are

>you wanting interface instructions? Also, more info on the "model 25"...I
>believe that is an true 286 IBM computer, with the mono-crome monitor built i
n
>to the CPU (if memory serves me correctly   :)).
>
>Let us know, and take care.
>
>
>
>Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
>Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
>E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
>AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam


Actually the model 25 is an 8088 with a builtin color monitor. Have
one sitting in the shack running a packet TNC. Never used KAGOLD on
it, though...

73 de Jeff



From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:47:01 1996
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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
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Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 13:25:45 GMT
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In <4rgtmc$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (RWC) wrote:

>       Well, I *was* looking into possibly starting a hobby out of HAM.
>But judging by these past 2 posts, one by Bill Newkirk WB9IVR, I see that
>the attitudes and childishness isn't lmited to the people on "CB" Radios.
>Perhaps HAM isn't for me after all, if Bill is any indication of the
>types of people that are out there.

If two whimsical comments by two individuals is sufficient to change
your mind about amateur radio as a hobby, I agree that you will
probably not be well suited to it.  Perhaps take up something like
stamp collecting, where you won't need to learn how to interact with
other human beings, even [horror!] those who don't agree with you.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:47:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Dubin)
Subject: Newton w/ Packet?
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Hey all...

I'm just wondering if anyone out there has done any packet work with a
Newton PDA.  I know I could just use it as a terminal, but I was kinda
hoping that someone might have written something for it to use an FSK
modem... cheap and low power.

Thanks!
Jeff
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:47:03 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Newton w/ Packet?
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 05:36:16 GMT
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>
> Newton w/ Packet?
>
> [e-mail] (Jeff Dubin)
> Sat, 20 Jul 1996 04:27:11 GMT
> The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
> Newsgroups:
> rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
>
> Hey all...
> I'm just wondering if anyone out there has done any packet work with a
> Newton PDA.  I know I could just use it as a terminal, but I was kinda
> hoping that someone might have written something for it to use an FSK
> modem... cheap and low power.
> Thanks!
> Jeff
> [e-mail]

I use an AST Gridpad (Zoomer) PDA with a Kantronics KPC-3.
Any terminal emulation software will do.  It's not fancy but
it's small enough to fit in my pocket.

Regards.

D.G.



From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:47:04 1996
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From: Rob Dover <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Pac-Comm Spirit-2 problem
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:05:57 -0700
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Greetings.
I am hoping someone here can assist with a Spirit problem I have run
into.  I recently purchased 2 PacComm Spirit-s backbone tnc's and am
trying to get them to run with TheNET X1J4 firmware.  The problem is
that both TNC's randomly and intermittantly scramble the callsign and
require nuking the RAM to get them back to normal.  Both TNC's exhibit
exactly the same problem.  The only way I can get them to run reliably
is to cripple them by removing the 20 MHz GAL and running them at 10
MHz.
I have burned the firmware into the PacComm supplied 70nS EPROMS so
that shouldn't be a factor. Or should it? The PacComm docs say a 20MHz
Spirit needs a 55 nS EPROM but PacComm tech support says 70 is OK.
I have checked, rechecked, and triple checked the jumpers and they all
seem fine.  The TNC's work fine at 10 MHz but not at 20.
If anyone here has seen this problem or has any ideas, I would
appreciate a response.

Thanks and 73  -Rob-
[e-mail]
ve7eje@ve7rxd.#scbc.bc.can.noam
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:47:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Alan)
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Subject: PacComm TNC-200 for 50.00 Kiss Mode
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For Sale: PacComm TNC-200 with Kiss Mode Chip for TCPIP
NOS Will sell for 50.00 ... 73, Alan  [e-mail]
PS Sorry if I put this in any newsgroup that somebody didn't
want it there....


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:47:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ulrich Nehmzow)
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Subject: Packet Radio and Internet
Date: 15 Jul 1996 11:31:05 +0100
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Hello,

is packet radio limited to contact between radio amateurs, or is it
possible to send messages to non-licensed internet users as well?

Thanks for any replies!

Ulrich.

--
Dr. Ulrich Nehmzow                 Department of Computer Science
Lecturer                           University of Manchester
                                   GB - Manchester M13 9PL
http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/robotics   Tel [phone], Fax [phone]


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:47:06 1996
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From: Bob Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Packet Radio and Internet
Date: 16 Jul 1996 08:25:02 -0700
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Ulrich Nehmzow wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> is packet radio limited to contact between radio amateurs, or is it
> possible to send messages to non-licensed internet users as well?
>

This depends on the regulations of each country.  Messages to
non-licensed internet users, if sent over the amateur bands, would
definitely be considered third-party communications.

Bob

----
Bob Nielsen                 Internet: [e-mail]
Tucson, AZ                  AMPRnet:  [e-mail]
                            AX.25:    [e-mail]
                            http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:47:08 1996
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From: Doug <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Packet<->Internet Software
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 06:00:59 -0700
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To: Bill Gade <[e-mail]>

Hello Bill,
        Your prayers are answered the program does exist it is called Jnos.
This runs under dos and allows a a full time slip connection to exist on
one port and tncs on other ports.  This is the program that most tcp/ip
users are running.
        For help getting it up and running contact your local IP coordinator
and chat with him.  If you need more advanced help down the road shot me
some mail and I can put you in contact with the gentleman in our area
that is running this configuration.

73   Doug
--
*************************************************************************
*                               Doug Miles                              *
*       email:          [e-mail]                              *
*       Homepage:       http://www.discover.net/~ko6tx/                 *
*
*
*       Packet:         ko6tx@w6jbt.#soca.ca.usa.noam                   *
*       Tcp/ip:         [e-mail] [44.18.0.148]              *
*
*
*       Fax:            [phone]                                  *
*************************************************************************


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:47:09 1996
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From: Roger Barker <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: PK-12/WinPack
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:27:32 +0100
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In article <[e-mail]>, Jonnie Hutchison
<[e-mail]> writes
>I need some help in using the WinPack V5.4 with the AEA PK-12. Can't seem to
>get the TNC to talk to the computer. If you have been successful in using
>the PK-12 with WinPack and Windows 95 I would appreciate the parameters,
>etc. Thanks.

The rough get "you going" for AEA TNCs goes something like this:-

1. Make sure the PK-12 is out of host mode. If you've been using it with
Pakratt it could well be left in host mode when you exit from that
program.

2. Read the "TNC Settings" section of the help and try to implement what
it says. Note that some of the AEA params may have different names from
the TNC2 clone names used in the help. However, param sets for PK-88,
PK-232 and PK-96 are supplied with WinPack.

3. Select "Options", "Comms Setup" in WinPack, press <F1>, when the
picture appears click on the various input boxes and read the pop-up
helps - particularly the one on "DCD shows conn".

--
Roger Barker, G4IDE  [e-mail]
Boston, UK           "Be tolerant of everything, except for intolerance!"


From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:47:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Ringo vs Quad for Packet?
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 18:11:18 GMT
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Hello, Folks:

I have a question about a strange problem (?) I am having with a 2m
packet link that seems to be antenna related...

Set Up #1 is as follows:

   RIG     : Kenwood TM 2550A with 50 watts RF out
   ANT     : Ringo Ranger II at 40 feet
   FEEDER  : 60 feet 9913

Set Up #2 is as follows:

   RIG     : Kenwood TM 2550A with 50 watts RF out (same rig as above)
   ANT     : Home Brew 6 element quad at 50 feet
   FEEDER  : 60 feet 9913 (different run)

The other station's set up does not change.

Now, the wierd part...

When using the Ringo, there is no detectable change at the other
station in my signal when I switch between Voice and Packet modes as
measured on the receiver.

When I switch to the Quad, however, my received signal strength on
Packet is just a hair over one half of the signal when on voice. In
fact, the Quad's packet signal is LESS than the Ringo's packet signal
while the Quad's voice signal is much stronger than the Ringo's!

Any ideas?

Take Care & 73


Marty Albert - [e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM

Heartland Internet Services

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From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:47:11 1996
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From: Jack McEwen <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Ringo vs Quad for Packet?
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In message <4soj5o$[e-mail]>
        [e-mail] (Marty Albert) writes:

> When I switch to the Quad, however, my received signal strength on
> Packet is just a hair over one half of the signal when on voice. In
> fact, the Quad's packet signal is LESS than the Ringo's packet signal
> while the Quad's voice signal is much stronger than the Ringo's!

> Any ideas?

> Take Care & 73


> Marty Albert - [e-mail]
> Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM

Hello Marty, I assume you are using different frequencies for packet
and voice transmissions, and that the two aerials (antennae) are
located a few feet apart.

If this is the case I think the aerials may be in a different
position relative to the standing wave patterns of the transmitted
signal, one may be in a peak, and the other in a null. When you
change frequency, as from voice to packet, the wavelength of the
standing wave changes slightly, and this can move the RX aerial from
a null to a peak in the signal.

Of course, I am possibly wrong.

Cheers,,,,,Jack.
--
Jack McEwen  [e-mail]
G8HIK @ GB7BEV
"These NEW FANGLED COMPUTERS will never catch on"





From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:47:12 1996
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From: luis velis <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: tarp psk modem and mfj-1278
Date: 16 Jul 1996 21:24:30 GMT
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has anyone interfaced the tarp psk external modem with the mfj-1278
tnc..?
I'll like to hear from you..Maybe you can help me..
luis/m3tuk



From [e-mail] Sun Jul 21 18:47:12 1996
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From: "L. Booth" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: WTB: KAM Plus
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Kantronics KAM Plus wanted, E-Mail price, age and Eprom version..

Lionel N5LB


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:16:45 1996
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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:16:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 2m Amplifier for Packet?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>[e-mail] (Rob Janssen) wrote:
>>
>>Stations with long TXDELAY use more-than-reasonable amounts of channel
>>time, thus increasing the load on the channel.  Furthermore, when their
>>long TXDELAY is really required to accomodate a slow transmitter, they
>>have a long "dead time" between receive and transmit, and thereby
>>cause a large number of collisions.
>>
>
>If other stations are using DCD technology there should be NO
>collisions?  I run a Packetcluster system with as many as 23-26 users
>and when a DX spot is issued, all connects are vying for slots to ack
>the spot.  We recommend using minimum TXD but most are using 400-800ms
>with NO problems for over 5 years.  I am sorry but I disagree with
>your analysis.

Sorry, Rob is correct. The reason you don't see the problem is that
all the stations are operating connected mode to the server, and ack
*in turn* as the message is repeated to each of them. They do *not*
via for slots to ack the spot. If you have 23 users connected, the
spot is sent 23 times, once to each of them in turn. There's no chance
for collisions in that setup (though it is hugely wasteful of channel
bandwidth because of the repetition), but it is very different from
normal packet activity.

Gary
--
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:16:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
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Subject: Re: 2m Amplifier for Packet?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rob Janssen) writ
es:

[snip]

>What I said is that you have more collisions when stations are using
>long TXDELAYS *because they have a slow transmitter*.
>Merely setting a long TXDELAY (without reason) of course does not
>increase the number of collisions, it just reduces the channel efficiency.

[snip]

>Rob

I dont agree. If a station is running no squelch, and is using CD detect, a
long TXD would cause more collisions.

explanation: Station A has a long TXD, and keys up, but no data is being sent
yet. Station B is using CD detect, and is ready to transmit...hearing no data,

station B WILL transmit, just in time for both stations to collide.

I suppose this would be one disadvantage of running CD detect, but fact is,
that lots, if not most stations in my area do it.

Take care.


Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:16:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 2m Amplifier for Packet?
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In article <[e-mail]> cgreenha@magnus.a
cs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher K. Greenhalgh) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rob Janssen) wri
tes:
>>What I said is that you have more collisions when stations are using
>>long TXDELAYS *because they have a slow transmitter*.
>>Merely setting a long TXDELAY (without reason) of course does not
>>increase the number of collisions, it just reduces the channel efficiency.
>
>I dont agree. If a station is running no squelch, and is using CD detect, a
>long TXD would cause more collisions.
>
>explanation: Station A has a long TXD, and keys up, but no data is being sent

>yet. Station B is using CD detect, and is ready to transmit...hearing no data
,
>station B WILL transmit, just in time for both stations to collide.
>
>I suppose this would be one disadvantage of running CD detect, but fact is,
>that lots, if not most stations in my area do it.

No. Flags are transmitted during the Txd interval. So if a station
hears the signal, DCD will be activated just as if the station were
transmitting useful data during the Txd period. The carrier is not
unmodulated during the Txd interval.

Gary

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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:16:51 1996
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From: Gabe Nemeth <[e-mail]>
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Subject: ?: Tigertronics 9600bps modem ?
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:07:36 -0400
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Has anyone used or have any experience with the NEW
'Tigertronics Modem', the 9600bps for 90 Bucks? This sounds like a
really
great deal, but I have not seen any reviews, or feedback with it yet.
Before I order one to Canada, I'd appreciate any Feeback.


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:16:52 1996
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From: Joesph Fenn <[e-mail]>
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On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, WALERY SAWKA wrote:

 Looking for Acars receiving interface - or schematic.Just wonder how it
 differs from i.e baycom or Hamcom interface and how the cabling to
 serial port compares.It is probalbly not to difficult to built one
 -to avoid high cost of ready made ones.Any help appreciated.

What in the world are you calling ACARS?  Thats United Airlines
automated on/gnd off/gnd vhf reporting system engineered by ARINC.
Its all computerized system that reports when aircraft leaves or
arrives at the blocks.
                         KH6JF (ARINC retired)




From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:16:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Walker)
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Subject: Re: Baycom BP-2 wiring cable
Date: 25 Jul 1996 14:29:19 GMT
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In article <4sp693$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Greetings,
>I am trying to wire a cable for my BP-2 that is coming next week.
>According to the Baycom help file, it says the following
>HELP!
>Jerry KE6UUX

Jerry:
I am using the BP-2 now.
It comes WITH the phone cord.  All you have to do is terminate the color coded

wires with the appropriate plug(s) for your radio.  I'm using a Yaesu FT-23R
HT, so I used 1 mini and 1 micro plug to mimic a speaker-mic I/O.  Works
pretty good with my HP200LX as the terminal.  I'm upgrading to version 1.60 of

Baycom to take advantage of RS-232 DCD, as soon as the disk gets here.
NQ3I

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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:16:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mario Jorge Mesquita)
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I=B4de like to work the program SP 9.10 or SP 9.75 with a Baycom modem on
Win95 but I am unable to load TFPCX on my computer. Can you help me with any
idea????? Do you know any other driver to run SP program on a Baycom modem
to run on Win95???

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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:16:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Justin Keating)
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Subject: Cheap spread spectrum gear ????
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I am looking for some good but cheap Spread spectrum gear for comm's
between a couple of RS 232 ports (line of sight approx 5 km).  Is this
possible or is "cheap" and "spread spectrum" two mutually exclusive
events?  I would also like some information on licensing requirements
in Australia.  If anybody can help, much appreciated.



Regards
            Justin Keating



From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:16:56 1996
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From: Mark <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Cheap spread spectrum gear ????
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[e-mail] (Justin Keating) wrote:
>I am looking for some good but cheap Spread spectrum gear for comm's
>between a couple of RS 232 ports (line of sight approx 5 km).  Is this
>possible or is "cheap" and "spread spectrum" two mutually exclusive
>events?  I would also like some information on licensing requirements
>in Australia.  If anybody can help, much appreciated.

I've been involved in some SS projects in Australia.

Yes, you do need a license.  About $35 AUD/year.  Portions of the 915-928 MHz
band
are available, and 2400-2450 is also allocated.  There is a plan submitted to
allow  full use of 2400-2483.5 MHz but under these conditions:

2400-2463 MHz    1 Watt ERP
2463-2483        0.1 Watt ERP

As ENG (TV news crews) use 2450 and up, there is some protection afforded to t
hem.
Right now, the power limit is 1W ERP on both bands, and there is also talk of
allowing 4 Watts ERP in the future.  The people at the SMA office in Melbourne
(Southgate area) were very helpful.

Costs are coming down.  In SS you pay for 2 things, speed and distance, also
mutually exclusive.  If you want MB rates, then 2-6 km is all you'll get. At
ISDN rates, you are down to a more reasonable 20 km or so.

Mark Oppenheim
http://www.tetherless.com



From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:16:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Merritt)
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Subject: Re: Digital Microwave Radio
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[e-mail] (Nick Kralevich) wrote:

>>Oh the
>>guys over in Utah have put together a T1 system, do a search to find
>>more info on it...

>Do you have a hint for what to search for?

hmmm...  good question, I haven't looked as yet myself.  I do know
that they've designed their own T1 modem for some surplus microwave
radio they had....

>I was hoping to avoid "off the shelf" solutions due to their high cost.
>Besides, it would be interesting to experiment with building equipment
>like this.

Wavelans cards are not that expensive and may do just the trick for
you.  TAPR just placed a group order for the cards with somebody and
they had the price down to ~$200 per card...

>Oh, one more question.  Do you have any idea how much this type of
>project would cost?
welll a PC on each end (if you dont have them already)  ~$2000 or
less...  2 wavelan cards  for $400    A good pair of yagi's for 900
Mhz... $300  unless you make them yourself!   and good quality
hardline and some bnc adapters....?

So figure ~$3000 total...    $1500 per node is about right

Bob
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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Digital Microwave Radio
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In article <[e-mail]> Robert Ganter <[e-mail]> wri
tes:
>Bob Merritt wrote:
>>
>> [e-mail] (Nick Kralevich) wrote:
>>
>> >Does anyone know of a design for a digital microwave transmitter/receiver
>> >combo that is available on the internet or in book form?  Or
>> >perhaps I'm going about this in the wrong direction...
>>
>> Go to the nearest ham radio store and buy a copy of the ARRL Handbook
>> for Radio Amateurs and then read up on the 10Ghz Gunnplexor/2MBPS
>> project....Oops, wait a moment, this article is not any more in the ARRL Ha
ndbook
>anymore! It can be found in another book published by the ARRL. Can't
>tell You which at the moment, because I have the books at home. Maybe
>somebody else can help here?
>Or try http://www.arrl.org
>
>Regards
>
>Robert (HB9NBY)

It's now in _Packet, Speed and More Speed_ also published by the ARRL.
Good book.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:00 1996
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From: Robert Ganter <[e-mail]>
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Bob Merritt wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (Nick Kralevich) wrote:
>
> >Does anyone know of a design for a digital microwave transmitter/receiver
> >combo that is available on the internet or in book form?  Or
> >perhaps I'm going about this in the wrong direction...
>
> Go to the nearest ham radio store and buy a copy of the ARRL Handbook
> for Radio Amateurs and then read up on the 10Ghz Gunnplexor/2MBPS
> project....Oops, wait a moment, this article is not any more in the ARRL Han
dbook
anymore! It can be found in another book published by the ARRL. Can't
tell You which at the moment, because I have the books at home. Maybe
somebody else can help here?
Or try http://www.arrl.org

Regards

Robert (HB9NBY)


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:01 1996
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Will Flor ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Definitely true; however, the original poster was discussing
: homebrewing components, which is incompatible with legal
: operation under Part 15 (unless you're willing to fork over
: Big Buck$$ to have your homebrew design type-certified by the
: FCC.)

: 73 de KB9JTT

This is true.  Home-brewing a device to operate under Part 15 is not
practical.  Amateur radio is really the only practical way to home
brew any type of radio transmitter, except extremely low power.
If the application is illegal under the amateur radio rules then give
up and find something else to do.  There are many things in this
world to experiment with.  It's a bad idea to get fixated on one
application (except, of course, VHF contesting) unless someone
is paying you.

Chris Hansen, KQ6DW
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in <[e-mail]>, Will Flor wrote:
: Definitely true; however, the original poster was discussing
: homebrewing components, which is incompatible with legal
: operation under Part 15 (unless you're willing to fork over
: Big Buck$$ to have your homebrew design type-certified by the
: FCC.)

Wrong.  There's a hobby exclusion in part 15.  (At least as of the
October 1991 copy I have on my desk.)

"15.23 Home-built devices.

(a) Equipment authorization is not required for devices that are
not marketed, are not constructed from a kit, and are built in
quantities of five or less for personal use."  ...

And subparagraph b is about using "good engineering practice" where
the home builder is not able to test for full compliance.

Mark Zenier  [e-mail]  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:03 1996
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From: sg <[e-mail]>
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Subject: dsp 232, any "tricks" for smoother operation?
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Greetings,
I've just ordered a dsp 232 and was wondering if anybody had any "tricks"
that make the dsp 232 easier to run, any bugs? with MacRatt? Any
constructive tips would be appreciated. Please e-mail to
[e-mail] thanks! and 73's -steve, wi0e


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Gary Coffman wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]> Les Blalock <[e-mail]> wri
tes:
> >I've been told that an MFJ eprom will work in the old Heath tnc.
> >Anybody know for sure?
>
> Won't work. The old Heath TNC was a licensed copy of the TNC1. MFJ's
> TNCs are copies of the TNC2. They are very different. They don't even
> use the same microprocessor.
>

TAPR has both KISS and WA8DED eproms available for the TNC 1 (and
Heath).  See http://www.tapr.org.

Bob

----
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Tucson, AZ                  AMPRnet:  [e-mail]
                            AX.25:    [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:05 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Path: news2.epix.net!uunet!inXS.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.radio.org!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: EPROM for Heath TNC?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:59:23 GMT
Lines: 15

In article <[e-mail]> Les Blalock <[e-mail]> write
s:
>I've been told that an MFJ eprom will work in the old Heath tnc.
>Anybody know for sure?

Won't work. The old Heath TNC was a licensed copy of the TNC1. MFJ's
TNCs are copies of the TNC2. They are very different. They don't even
use the same microprocessor.

Gary

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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Pieter Ibelings)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: FS PK232MBX good cdx $140 Shipped
Date: 23 Jul 1996 20:22:34 GMT
Organization: www.mindspring.com/~wave
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If interested please e-mail me. I will ship anywhere in the US.

Pieter
AC4OP



From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Stewart Teaze)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Linux and AX.25-TCP/IP
Date: 23 Jul 1996 16:49:54 GMT
Organization: ASI
Lines: 12
Message-ID: <4t2vri$[e-mail]>
References: <4t0f64$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
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X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.1

In article <[e-mail]>, Terry Dawson <terry
@perf.no.itg.telecom.com.au> says:
 >Grab a copy of the AX25-HOWTO from:
 >
 >        http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/HOWTO/AX25-HOWTO.html
 >
 >and go to it!

I accessed this web page.  Can this document be found anywhere in
other than HTML format?  It will take me an hour to print this
incarnation of the document, as each subsection is contained on
a different web page.  Didn't the Linux documents used to be kept
in FTP archives?  Wasn't that better?


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Clark W. Hanley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Linux and AX.25-TCP/IP
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:29:11 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Lines: 31
Distribution: world
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Hi All

   Thare are several Linux resorces avalible on the net. One of them
is RedHat, they publish one of the CD-ROM's of linux. I found a page
on thare web site with the How-To's in several formats including the
compleate colection in plain text avalible for download.

http://www.redhat.com/linux-info/ldp/#ldp


Good luck

Clark  KA2NWL


[e-mail] (Stewart Teaze) wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>, Terry Dawson <terr
[e-mail]> says:
> >Grab a copy of the AX25-HOWTO from:
> >
> >        http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/HOWTO/AX25-HOWTO.html
> >
> >and go to it!

>I accessed this web page.  Can this document be found anywhere in
>other than HTML format?  It will take me an hour to print this
>incarnation of the document, as each subsection is contained on
>a different web page.  Didn't the Linux documents used to be kept
>in FTP archives?  Wasn't that better?




From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Carrubba)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Montauk Point, LI  * Special Event *
Date: 20 Jul 1996 22:04:41 GMT
Organization: LI Net (Long Island Network)
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Montauk Point, NY

The Long Island DX Assc.  will operate the special event station
AC2P/200 from the Montauk Point Lighthouse located on the eastern
tip of Long Island ( IOTA NA-026, USIA NY03S ) from 1400z August 3
to 1900z August 4, ( National Lighthouse Day ) to celebrate the 200th
year of the Lighthouse.

Listen on 7.260, 14.260 and 21.260. CW as announced.

A color certificate will be available with an SASE for contact
with AC2P/200. QSL to Rich Tygar AC2P, CBA.

Also see August 1996 QST pages 26 and 97.

73
Rich AC2P
packet: ac2p@kc2fd.#nli.ny.usa
e-mail: [e-mail]

--
============================================================================
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N. Babylon, NY          things up requires a computer......"
KA2DFO                  packet radio| [e-mail]
============================================================================


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:09 1996
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From: (No-NAME)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: More winpack servers !!!
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 05:53:57 GMT
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Hello ALL

I have loaded another bunch of winpack servers onto the Winpack Web
Page !!.  Drop in for a look.  I can't count how many, ran out of
fingers and toes !!!

http://www.healey.com.au/~vk2yx/winpack.html

Cheers and Enjoy !!! Pete..vk2yx


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: N6GN Microwave Data Link
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 96 12:55:12 -0600
Organization: TeachNet, College of Edu, UT Austin
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[e-mail],Internet TeachNet Gatew writes:
I'm trying to build a 10 Mbps version of N6GN's 2 Mbps X-band data link.
I have a copy of _Packet: Speed, More Speed, and Applications_, but I'm
having trouble finding one part.  The receiver schematic diagram shows a
component labelled SRA-1 mixer.  I can tell that it's a doubly-balanced
diode mixer, but where can I get one?  Or do I have to build it myself?
Would a NE-602 work?  Can anybody help me?  Thanks!

---

Try www.tapr.org/~n6gn

Cheers - Greg WD5IVD


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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:11 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Path: news2.epix.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.radio.org!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: N6GN Microwave Data Link
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:19:09 GMT
Lines: 20

In article <[e-mail]> John Clark <clarkjc@cra
ft.camp.clarkson.edu> writes:
>I'm trying to build a 10 Mbps version of N6GN's 2 Mbps X-band data link.
>I have a copy of _Packet: Speed, More Speed, and Applications_, but I'm
>having trouble finding one part.  The receiver schematic diagram shows a
>component labelled SRA-1 mixer.  I can tell that it's a doubly-balanced
>diode mixer, but where can I get one?  Or do I have to build it myself?
>Would a NE-602 work?  Can anybody help me?  Thanks!
>
>- John (N3IFG)

That's a standard Mini-Circuits DBM. (800-654-7949 or 718-934-4500)
They have distributors, but they'll also sell onesy twosy quantities
to radio amateurs direct. Unit price is $14.95 in a recent catalog.

Gary
--
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
Subject: Re: Need INFO, EVERYONE PLEASE READ!!
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:54:21 GMT
Organization: PacRim Golf Accessories
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[e-mail] (RICHARD A. NELSON) wrote:

>In <[e-mail]> Avatar <[e-mail]> writes:
>>
>>Eric Oyen wrote:
>>>
>>> [e-mail] (RWC) wrote:
>>>
>>> >       Well, I *was* looking into possibly starting a hobby out of
>HAM.
>>> >But judging by these past 2 posts, one by Bill Newkirk WB9IVR, I
>see that
>>> >the attitudes and childishness isn't lmited to the people on "CB"
>Radios.
>>> >Perhaps HAM isn't for me after all, if Bill is any indication of
>the
>>> >types of people that are out there.

>today's hams really are not any different than cbers... they just
>crammed for a test.  if you are thin skinned pick a different hobby.

>rich  wb0ikn

I wouldn't go so far as to say that Rich.  What our wanna be friend
needs to realize is that the world is full of assholes, and ham radio
is just a cross section of people that inhabit the world.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:14 1996
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From: "Jacinto Rebelo" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: New tfpcx for baycom under win95 ??? please
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 01:11:07 -0000
Organization: Pessoal
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Hello , I trying to find a new tsr driver for baycom tnc (ic:TCM3105AN),
because the tfpcx version
at least that I have dosn't work with win95 so if you kown a site/ftp in
internet that have this
software please reply to my message ok
Thanks in advance.



From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: PC Flex Software
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 22:21:32 GMT
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Hello, Folks:

Anyone out there have any experience with the PC Flex software,
particularly the Sound Blaster sound card drivers?

I would be especially interested in how the 9600bps SB driver works
for you.

I am interested in doing some serious development of the local packet
network and I can get PCs and SB cards for a LOT less than I can get
TNCs (I have more than a dozen 386/486 PCs and a whole box full of
SB-16 cards!)

I noticed that the SB driver strongly suggests that a 486 be used.
Anyone tried it on a fast 386 (66Mhz+)?

Thanks!



Marty Albert - [e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM

Heartland Internet Services

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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Hammock)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Procomm Script for KPC-3
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 03:18:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: The City Lights BBS
Distribution: world
Lines: 9

        Does anyone have, or know where I can find a good ASPECT script for
using Procomm Plus on packet with a KPC-3?

        Many thanks in advance.


Jim KI0DN
---
 * PW * Do agnostics engage in idol speculation?


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:17 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Ringo vs Quad for Packet?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <4soj5o$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4sska9$[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:06:12 GMT
Lines: 24

In article <4sska9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Marty Albert) writ
es:
>Hello, Gary:
>
>Maybe I wasn't clear... I have different signal strengths (on the same
>freq with the same radio) between Voice and Packet with the same Quad
>antenna. It is vertically polarized.

Ah, that's different. There shouldn't be any difference since signal
strength is a measure of carrier power, and that should be the same
in both cases. I don't know the keying method of the radio you're
using, but I do know that Icom HTs, which use the "leaky PTT" method,
can be *partially* keyed if the "leak" isn't sufficient. In that
state, they output considerably less power than when keyed fully.
Perhaps your radio isn't being fully keyed by the TNC even if it
doesn't use the "leaky PTT" method. You might want to hang a meter
on the PTT line and see if it is being pulled solidly low by the
TNC.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Stan Huntting)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: RTTY software: which one?
Date: 20 Jul 1996 22:55:16 GMT
Organization: SuperNet Inc. +1.303.296.8202 Denver Colorado
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In article <4sra5u$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...

>I have a Kam version 8...would like info on good rtty software

You don't say what computer platform you run, but if it's Windows,
you may download KaWin from the KaWin Home Page (below). 73,

Stan
--
Stan Huntting,    KF0IA
Email:            [e-mail]
Fax:              303 444 2314
KaWin home page:  http://www.mutadv.com/kawin/
Postal address:   4655 Pleasant Ridge Rd.,
                  Boulder, CO 80301-1731, USA



From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:19 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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From: [e-mail] (David Wells)
Subject: Re: RTTY software: which one?
Organization: cruzio
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 00:42:29 GMT
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In article <4sra5u$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Lynn D. Osterbur) wrote:
>
>I have a Kam version 8...would like info on good rtty software, I think
>its W1FB  but cant find info.   Primary use would be contest and daily
>rtty.  THanks for input    Lynn

Lynn,

I think the best software for the Kam is Kagold by Interflex Systems. This is
the software the guys at Kantronics use. I tried Hostmaster and there was no
comparison. Check out the test drive at http://www.interflex.com.

Dave KD6TO


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: The Future Of The Packet BBS
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 07:45:29 GMT
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Hello, Folks:

There are those that believe that the days of the Packet BBS are
numbered, if not already over. While I am not sure that I hold with
this view, I found that many who state this position cite false or
vague reasons. So I have been thinking about the idea for some time
now and have come believe the following:

PBBS STATIONS ARE ON THE WAY OUT
    (1) The advent of NOS has removed the need for a BBS to hold mail
bound for an individual.
    (2) Commonly available high speed modems (9600 bps +) has removed
the speed advantage of the BBS/network over individual stations.
    (3) Increased use of Internet and other wire-based networks for
forwarding traffic has decreased the need for radio networks.
    (4) Various policy decisions have stiffled the growth and
development of effective HF long haul radio networks.
    (5) Continued in-fighting in the Amateur ranks stiffles both long
haul and short haul network growth and development.

PBBS STATIONS ARE NOT ON THE WAY OUT
    (1) The majority of NOS stations are not on the air 7/24.
    (2) There is readily available technology to allow PBBS stations
to run at T1 speeds or better.
    (3) With proper policy, an effective high speed long haul network
could be built for very little additional expenditure.
    (4) With proper guidance, the Amateur Packet Network could rival
the Internet for both speed and ease of use.

All of this involves development of, at a minimum, all of the
following aspects:
    (A) New hardware systems.
    (B) New software systems.
    (C) New organizational structures.
    (D) Wide Area Network policy, at least on a national basis,
preferably on a global basis.

Over the next few days, I will be posting my thoughts and findings on
these sub-topics over the next few days. I would encourage you to keep
this message, perhaps printing it on hard copy, for reference.

I also encourage any input that you may have.

Please note that this is NOT being posted to Packet itself at this
time due to the projected amount of traffic that may be generated.
There are too many SALE, WANTED, and DEBATE messages on Packet to
allow the added bandwidth.

Take Care & 73



Marty Albert - [e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM

Heartland Internet Services

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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Stewart Teaze)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: The Future Of The Packet BBS
Date: 23 Jul 1996 17:00:56 GMT
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In article <4t1vuv$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Marty Albert) say
s:
>
>
>Hello, Folks:
>
>There are those that believe that the days of the Packet BBS are
>numbered, if not already over....

There is one useful purpose for the PBBS network.  It keeps a large
number of old fuddy-duddies busy, and is probably greatly reducing
the noise level on the newgroups.  I mean, can you imagine what
the spamming will be like once all these SALE bulletin generators
figure out that they can increase their output by 3 orders of
magnitude?  I'm shocked that this newsgroup is so spam-free.


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:22 1996
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From: Jeff King <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: The Future Of The Packet BBS
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:06:35 -0700
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Tony Blake wrote:
>
> Marty Albert wrote:
>
> >
> >     (4) With proper guidance, the Amateur Packet Network could rival
> > the Internet for both speed and ease of use.
> >
>
> Doubt it. Wire will always be faster than radio.

Ahhh.... I'm linked to my ISP via a 173Kbaud spread spectrum link..
he is two miles away. I just completed last week a 2 megabit 11 mile
point to point RF link (using WaveLan boards). Granted, both were via
PART 15 technologies so I'd think a 'Amateur' implementation would be
far better. Remember, Marty stated "with proper guidance". Amateur radio
would make one hell of a 'last mile' or even point to point RF network.
The equipment is there.... we just collectively lack the vision to implement i
t.

  > <Soapbox mode on>
> At one point in this nations history, Amateur radio operators used to
> push the technology envelope.  Today, as a whole, Amateur radio operators
> have been reduced to little more than appliance operators, especially in the
> area of data communications.   The commercial data communications industry
> has blown right past the HAM community and is decades ahead in technoloogy.
> How many HAMS are experimenting with true high speed data communications
> networking technologies such as microwave, spread spectrum, or lasers?

More then you think. Check out [e-mail]. Problem is, most would rather
tinker then get politically involved fighting the amateur 'establishment'.
This is beinging to change, mostly due to outrage.

> How
> many cities have digital repeaters and why aren't digital repeaters listed
> in the ARRL's repeater guide?

In the past, mine has been listed so there is at least one. (I assume you
mean a full duplex regenerating repeater... not a digipeater)

> > Take Care & 73
> >
> > Marty Albert - [e-mail]
> > Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM
> >
>
> I'm glad your spending some time thinking about these issues Marty.  The
> trend in the commericial data processing world is to provide wireless
> services.  If we amateurs don't start demonstrating more effective use of
> our bandwidth in these areas, we will find the FCC taking it away and giving
> it to someone who will!
>

You got it my friend!

> 73
> Tony Blake  KB0LXR

73

Jeff King WB8WKA


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: The Future Of The Packet BBS
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> Tony Blake <[e-mail]
m> writes:
>Marty Albert wrote:
>>
>> There are those that believe that the days of the Packet BBS are
>> numbered, if not already over. While I am not sure that I hold with
>> this view, I found that many who state this position cite false or
>> vague reasons. So I have been thinking about the idea for some time
>> now and have come believe the following:
>>
>> PBBS STATIONS ARE ON THE WAY OUT
>
>>     (5) Continued in-fighting in the Amateur ranks stiffles both long
>> haul and short haul network growth and development.
>
>The reason you stated here is by far the greatest reason the Amateur
>radio community's wireless data network has stalled on the PBBS technology.
>AX.25 networks don't require cooperation and central organization. (Buy
>a TNC, hook up your radio, pick a frequency, and your callsign combined
>with your operating frequency uniquely identifies your station.)
>To implement any other type of networking scheme requires two things:
>1) cooperation and acceptance by ALL participants, and 2) a centralized
>way to manage and administer the network.  You'll never accomplish #1
>just because human beings are involved, and 2) it is next to impossible
>because who would administer it, the FCC, the ARRL?  Neither
>organization is up to the task.

As noted, centralized control is a near political impossibility on
amateur radio. But what may not be so obvious is that it would be
a bad thing if it were possible. The primary advantage the amateur
network has is its ability to operate *without* vulnerable central
control points. Whatever scheme we adopt, it must be decentralized,
as self-configuring as possible, and as self-healing as possible.
That plays to our strengths and reduces the vulnerability to our
weaknesses.

[snip]
>> All of this involves development of, at a minimum, all of the
>> following aspects:
>>     (A) New hardware systems.
>
>Agreed.

Probably not essential. There is adequate hardware already developed.
Getting it deployed is a different matter, of course. The only area
which really needs more R&D is HF (though more work on extremely
fast *local* network systems would be useful too).

>>     (B) New software systems.
>
>Disagree.  The TCP/IP protocols are/and will do nnicely for this.

TCP/IP protocols are useful for *internetworking*, IE they run well
*on top of* various lower level protocols. But they don't currently
offer self-configuration or self-healing at the physical and link
layers. In fact, routing is static in current implementations and
must be managed by hand based on external knowledge about the network.
That's a major problem. A robust network needs to be able to function
solely on internal knowledge of the network.

Gary
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es
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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:26 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: The Future Of The Packet BBS - OUT 2
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:33:01 GMT
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Hello Again:

In this post, I would like to discuss reason number of why Packet BBS
stations may be on the way out. Quoting from my original post:

> PBBS STATIONS ARE ON THE WAY OUT
>     (2) Commonly available high speed modems (9600 bps +) has removed the sp
eed advantage of the BBS/network over individual stations.

Up until just a few years back, any packet speeds above 1200 bps were
both expensive and hard to impliment. The only stations that could
really afford to have a "high speed" link were some nodes and PBBSs.

Today, however, with the advent of cheap 9600 bps TNCs like the
Kantronics 9612 and the various 9600 bps ready (more or less!) radios,
the cost of a 9600 bps station is only marginally more expensive than
a 1200 bps station and no harder to set up and run.

This is, to an extent, over-simplifying the set up of a 9600 bps
station, as anyone who has set one up will know. Regardless of how
hard it is now to set up a 9600 bps station, it is many times easier
today than it was even 5 years ago!

The fact of the matter is that most PBBS stations are still running at
only 9600 bps for their "high speed" link(s). Many new Wide Area
Networks (ie "back-bones") are also being built at 9600 bps. In other
words, the USERS can easily be running at the same speed as the
NETWORK!

Not only does this mean the end of the useful life of the Packet BBS
but it also spells doom for WANs in general.

Again using the Internet as an example, how many users have T1 or
faster direct access to the Internet? About the fastest around are at
128 Kbps while even the smallest ISP has a "fractional" T1 at 256
Kbps. Most moderate ISPs use full T1, T3, or multiple T1 feeds.

Ideally, the Packet Network should be operating at no less than 56
Kbps. This provides high speed links over long distances and allows
users to access at 9600 bps without delay problems. A single 56 Kbps
path could support as many as 6 full speed 9600 bps connections at the
same time.

There is hardware available to allow even faster speeds for packet,
even up to T3 speeds, but it is very expensive and allowed by Part 97
only in the high UHF and microwave bands. Due to the nature of Amateur
Packet Radio, we may have problems here due to the distances between
sites. (see an excellent recent posting by Gary Coffman for a more
detailed discussion of this)

Again, please feel free to discuss this topic, BUT PLEASE DO SO IN THE
NEWS GROUP FOR ALL TO SEE!

Thanks for your time.



Marty Albert - [e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM

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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:26 1996
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From: Chuck Harrington <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Visual PacketPet Full Release
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:59:41 -0500
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Tim J. Neff wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me if they have a full release of Visual Packet Pet
> terminal software and if so what is the main advantages..
> --
>   ____  __  __  __      __       _  _  ___  ___  ___
>  (_  _)(  )(  \/  )    (  )     ( \( )(  _)(  _)(  _)
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>   (__) (__)(_/\/\_)  (___/ (_)  (_)\_)(___)(_)  (_)
>
>
>
>
>

Yes, I have it, I wrote it.  :-)

The full version has multiple connect support.

MACROs - which alow you to control PacketPeT or your TNC with
scripts which can be run from any of a number of macro players;
play now, play at a preset time, play at a specified interval,
play when any of 9 user difinable strings are received by the
TNC, play at program shutdown, play at program startup.

User definable menus, which allow you to put the filename of a
macro, or an executable program onto three additional dropdown
menus that are not in the Lite version.

Unlimited settings files, save your preferences so that you can
have many different configurations of the program; ie save one
for VHF, one of HF, maybe one for RTTY, etc...

Xmodem Chat file transfers; transfer files between two PeT users
and have a background keyboard chat.

Delete files without leaving PacketPeT.

Includes 114 Page printed user manual.

That is pretty much the list of features that I put in the full
version, that is not in the Lite Version. Let me know if you
have any specific questions.

73 Chuck

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From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:27 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Windows HF weatherfax software
Date: 23 Jul 1996 00:25:09 GMT
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Would anyone know if there is any Windows 3.1 HF weatherfax and / or satellite
 fax
software available on the web or FTP?

I know there are several DOS programs available.

Any help would be appreciated.

Colin

[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:28 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Terry Fugate)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Windows HF weatherfax software
Date: 25 Jul 1996 17:23:45 GMT
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In article <4t1655$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says:
>
>Would anyone know if there is any Windows 3.1 HF weatherfax and / or satellit
e fax
>software available on the web or FTP?
>
>I know there are several DOS programs available.
>
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Colin
>
>[e-mail]
>
>
Christisn Bock has a program (WXSat) for NOAA/Meteor APT satellite reception
at >>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/HFFAX<<.  IT is a great
program.  Brian has the demo version of his FTV HF/Satellite fax program.
While FTV is a DOS based program, it behaves quite well under Windows95.

The HFFAX site also has JVFAX 7.x(7.0 save gifs and 7.1 saves tifs).
JVFAX works well under Win95 but will require external "decoders".

Good luck
.............................................................................
Terry Fugate
UKTV
University of Kentucky
"The opinions expressed herein are mine, and soley mine.  They do not
represent the official view of the University of Kentucky, the State
of Kentucky, or any agency of any government.  If you do not like my
opinion, just get on with your life.  I will not change your mind and
you can not change mine."


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:29 1996
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From: Roger Barker <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Winpack 5.40
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:25:28 +0100
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes
>Hello there....
>
>I'm installing Winpack 5.40 and in the Options section, there are two
>areas in the Persoanl/BBS info that don't make sense to me.
>
>One is WAB - what is WAB and how do you figure it out? Is this something
>like the Maidenhead locator?

WAB = Worked All Britain square. You haven't got one, so leave it blank.

>Second, what are they looking for with QRA?

IARU locator. Again if you don't know what it is, leave it blank.

The program will work fine without these two items being input.

--
Roger Barker, G4IDE  [e-mail]
Boston, UK           "Be tolerant of everything, except for intolerance!"


From [e-mail] Sat Jul 27 19:17:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Stewart Teaze)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
Subject: Re: Z8530 SCC
Date: 23 Jul 1996 16:38:57 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, John Clark <clarkjc@cr
aft.camp.clarkson.edu> says:
 >
 >Does anyone know where I can purchase one of these ICs?  I can't seem to
 >find it from anywhere I normally order from....  (Either the Zilog or
 >AMD version is fine...)  Thanks.
 >
 >- John

My Newark catalog has Z8530 family parts.

It appears you are from Clarkson College, which seems to be
in Potsdam, NY(the sticks).  They have a Syracuse,NY branch
at [phone].  If this is not close to you, you can call
information for any moderately-sized city, and get the Newark
branch telephone number.


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 01 21:43:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul J. Piercey VO1HE)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Baudot software
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 96 23:03:08 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, cgreenha@magnus.
acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher K. Greenhalgh) wrote:
>Hello all.
>
>Anybody know where I can get some?
>

Lan-link is a multi-mode software package that is quite nice. The latest
version is 2.34 and must be somewhere on the Net. If you search for it, make
sure to use the hyphen :)

============================================================================
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 01 21:43:44 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Digital Microwave Radio - 1200bps stinks
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 Hi Will,

 Well, Yea, that s an advantage and a disadvantage to the WA4DSY modem.
Its easy to get on bands where 30 Mhz is a useable first IF, but expensive
higher up. With the availability of radio parts to do I/Q radios up to 2.5
Ghz, these days, I think the DSY modem needs to have an I/Q output to allow
for cheap migration to other bands.


 Oops, make that I/Q interface.


 Hi Gary,

 9600 being narrower bandwidth allows for more access channels. For access
usage, there s not that big an advantage to 56 KB. If the traffic builds,
one puts on more access radios, and links. In the end, one has just as
much bandwidth at 9600, then 56 KB, with individual costs about the same.
Assuming the individuals help pay for the network.

 The advantage of point to point links, is they allow for spectrum reuse in
small areas.

 No, the reciever does not need to be omni. I went into this further down the
my posting. But, let me re-explain. With an electronic scanning antenna, an
inactive station can scan continuously. Nothing better for it to do, right?
If it hears a data carrier from another station, it can then respond. And,
if the other station has traffic for the first, it can start the exchange. If
not, the other station can send a NAK. Voil'a, a versatile, yet point to point

radio system. A scanning antenna has omni coverage, but not simultaneous
omni coverage.


73, Don.

Mailbox : WB9MJN @ N9HSI.IL.USA.NA
AMPRNet : [e-mail][44.72.98.19]
Internet: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 01 21:43:46 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: RE: Digital Microwave Radio - 1200bps stinks
Date: 30 Jul 96 23:22:28 GMT
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 Hi Jeff,

 Well, there are other technologies besides phased arrays, and other
technigues of phasing that are cheaper, as well. But, I wont go into this,
its beyond the scope of this news group.

 I m not thinking of a "Hub'd" type system. I think an infrastructureless
technigue would be better. One does not need the hub, to have a network. Two
guys can start up, using the same hardware boxes. Then more can join in, and
the resource will be fully utilised, minimising overloading. I don t like
token passing in radio networks. I think asynchronous aquisition could be
done with full duplex radios, or slotted acquisition with simplex radios and
a time standard (such as the W3IWI Totally Accurate Clock).

 Central High point radios would waste allot of area, in the resource which
is the product of Time, Bandwidth, and Area. But, they may be called for to
bridge areas of sparce participation.

 Yes, I think each station, can have a steerable array. And thus do away with
a hub style network.


73, Don.

Mailbox : WB9MJN @ N9HSI.IL.USA.NA
AMPRNet : [e-mail][44.72.98.19]
Internet: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 01 21:43:47 1996
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From: Gabe Nemeth <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur,misc
Subject: FYI: ARRL-96/97 Repeater HNDBK is Missing Information..
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:28:35 -0400
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Hi, and thanks for reading.
If you are interested in purchasing the 96/97  ARRL
repeater Handbook - the new 25 aniversary edition.
Please be aware that for the second year in a row
they have omitted the Packet repeater frequencies
for Ontario, Canada. The last ARRL repeater
handbook to inculude Ontario Packet Stations. was
92-93.
Caveat Emptor.


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 01 21:43:48 1996
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From: trico <[e-mail]>
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I just bought the new BP-2m and am trying to get it on rtty...
I need to figure out what pinout is for the four wires.....
using hamcom 3.0 the .docs dont help much they are written for
a home brew adapter....hoping to get it up for cw also !!!
please c.c. to [e-mail] with n3hsy in the subject as
I dont often get time to read the news groups.....

Thanks for any help you may provide...
Kelly J. Copley     N3HSY


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 01 21:43:48 1996
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Subject: Help!
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Egge)
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The front end is gone from my Yeasu FRG7 after many good listening years
and one too many moves.  Can anyone direct me to a source for a
schematic drawing for this receiver?  Please advise.
Regards, Dennis


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 01 21:43:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Winfield Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: help! dsp-based PC soundcard with Analog Devices chipset
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 14:56:01 EST
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I'm still looking for pc soundcards using the Analog Devices PSS
(personal sound system) chipset (AD-2115 dsp with ram, AD1848
soundport, and the ECHO asic ESC614A).  I think it's the best way to
solve my problem: On July 12, I asked:

1) Are there any sound cards with DSP chips which can do modest
"real-time" FFTs, say 512 or 1024 samples, once a second,
etc. or even slower, without loading down the main CPU?  The
results of the FFT should be displayable in a window.  Sounds
real useful - anything available?

2) What's a good sound card with a DSP and a good library of C
routines and compiler to make use of said chip?

3) Anybody try DC-coupling the sound card A/D input stage or at
least paralleling a much larger coupling capacitor for reponse
down to 0.5Hz etc?  As you can guess, I want to do some simple
vibration monitoring!

The Analog Devices website says Cardinal, Adaptec, Orchid, Media
Devices, Western Digital, and other make PSS soundcards.  But I can't
confirm that - I suspect these companies did make them (and like
Cardinal, stopped) or meant to make them (and didn't).  They also
mention Wearnes Technology (who are they?).

Can anyone make any suggestions?  I do know quite a few hams and
radio shortwave listeners have worked with these cards and the DSP to
make realtime audio filters in their computers.

Anybody want to sell some old Cardinal or Media Devices boards?

--
Winfield Hill      [e-mail]
Rowland Institute for Science
Cambridge, MA 02142



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From: Leon Heller <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: help! dsp-based PC soundcard with Analog Devices chipset
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 06:22:05 GMT
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In article <4tlqet$[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Winfield Hill" write
s:

> I'm still looking for pc soundcards using the Analog Devices PSS
> (personal sound system) chipset (AD-2115 dsp with ram, AD1848
> soundport, and the ECHO asic ESC614A).  I think it's the best way to
> solve my problem: On July 12, I asked:
>
> 1) Are there any sound cards with DSP chips which can do modest
> "real-time" FFTs, say 512 or 1024 samples, once a second,
> etc. or even slower, without loading down the main CPU?  The
> results of the FFT should be displayable in a window.  Sounds
> real useful - anything available?
>
> 2) What's a good sound card with a DSP and a good library of C
> routines and compiler to make use of said chip?
>
> 3) Anybody try DC-coupling the sound card A/D input stage or at
> least paralleling a much larger coupling capacitor for reponse
> down to 0.5Hz etc?  As you can guess, I want to do some simple
> vibration monitoring!
>
> The Analog Devices website says Cardinal, Adaptec, Orchid, Media
> Devices, Western Digital, and other make PSS soundcards.  But I can't
> confirm that - I suspect these companies did make them (and like
> Cardinal, stopped) or meant to make them (and didn't).  They also
> mention Wearnes Technology (who are they?).
>
> Can anyone make any suggestions?  I do know quite a few hams and
> radio shortwave listeners have worked with these cards and the DSP to
> make realtime audio filters in their computers.
>
> Anybody want to sell some old Cardinal or Media Devices boards?

I've got two Cardinal cards, in my PCs at home and at work, and am very
pleased with them. Most of the manufacturers you mention stopped making
them some time ago, primarily because of the very cheap conventional
sound cards that are now available.

I believe that Echo might still be making the things. A colleague of
mine bought one from them when they became hard to get from the other
manufacturers. I vaguely remember seeing somewhere that they were
bringing out a new version using the ADSP-2181, as used on the ADI
EZ-Kit Lite.

Free development software is available for these cards, as you probably
know. Assembly language only, though.

Leon
--
Leon Heller, G1HSM                | "Do not adjust your mind, there is
E-mail [e-mail]  |  a fault in reality": on a wall
Phone: [phone]         |  many years ago in Oxford.


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 01 21:43:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Help: BayCom+Internet
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In <[e-mail]> Igor Blak
unov <[e-mail]> writes:

>Hello dear friend.

>Can you know how to make wireless Internet access via BayCom
>radio modems ? Is connection like SLIP/PPP possible ?
>Can I use a Netscape and have a full internet serviss ?

It certainly is possible, but you will have to be *very* patient.
Setup a Linux system with version 2.0 kernel and download Netscape
for Linux.  This will work.  Whether it is legal in your country
is another matter.

Rob
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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 01 21:43:54 1996
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From: "Dale (\"Squeak\") Porray, AD7K" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: IC-281H Help Please!
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 22:00:21 -0700
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> 1) The manual leads me to believe that Tone Squelch is included in the US
> version.  I can ENcode PL tones, but the rig  won't DEcode them (I.E. I
> can't get ' T SQ ' to appear by following the directions).

The UT-85 "Tone Squelch Unit" is the option needed to decode CTCSS ("P.L.") to
nes
with this radio.

73, and good luck!

"Squeak" Porray, AD7K
Manager, Amateur Electronic Supply/Las Vegas


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 01 21:43:55 1996
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From: Boerge ravn/SM0EBP-OZ8BR <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: KB2ICI PacketTracker
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 20:53:42 +0200
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I have been the happy user of Mark's PacketTracker, Version 1.07 on my
MA.
Now, that i have updated my OS to 7.5.3, it doesn't woik anymore!!
Does anyone have a tip - WHAT TO DO!?
73 Boerge


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 01 21:43:56 1996
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From: Greg Corteville <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Linux ax.25 Setup Help
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 06:41:52 -0400
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Oops... I meant axports in my previous reply, not nrports.  nrports
is for Netrom.

John Boyer wrote:
>
> There is a file called something like ax25.conf that or ax25.ports that
> probably needs setting up. Don't ask me where it lives. It always takes
> me about half an hour to find it when I want to edit it.
>
> Regards J.

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From [e-mail] Thu Aug 01 21:43:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Javier Dφaz)
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Subject: Mods for telephones (EA1ANM)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 20:08:23 GMT
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Visit this site. It┤s great !!!!


http://www.l0pht.com/radiophone



Greetings.
EA1ANM - Op. Feliciano




From [e-mail] Thu Aug 01 21:43:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Barry Stone)
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Subject: PK 232 Fax
Date: 28 Jul 1996 09:46:23 GMT
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Can anyone help me find a copy of PK232 Fax on the net please.
Thanks
Barry



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 01 21:43:59 1996
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From: Jake Brodsky <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: RF attenuation of mirrored glass at 900MHz?
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:52:48 -0700
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John Paul Morrison wrote:
>
> Does anyone know how many dB of loss mirrored office tower glass
> windows have at 900 MHz? Or where I could look it up?
>
> Cell phones work inside the building, so it couldn't be too bad.
>
> I'm guessing between 5 to 10 dB.
>

It depends on what they mirrored the glass with and how conductive
it is.  I ran in to the same problems about five years ago when the
office building they were building at work had that kind of glass.

We experimented at 23 GHz (one of the many microwave links to and
from this building) and discovered an atteunation of about 10 dB.
We decided to do things the right way and erect a radome window on
the penthouse.  It works pretty well.

73,

Jake Brodsky, mailto:[e-mail]
PP-ASEL-IA, Cessna Cardinal N30946, Based @ MD24
Amateur Radio Station AB3A
"Beware of the massive impossible!"


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 01 21:43:59 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Eddie Seymour)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: rs232 to coaxial interface
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 20:22:37 GMT
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I recall seeing an article on a board to interface an rs232 port to a
coaxial cable local network. It was used to link a nodestack and bbs
computer without having to resort to the diode matrix. Anyone know of
an information source on building these adapters? Thanks!
Eddie Seymour, WB4MLE
E-Mail [e-mail]
       [e-mail]
Packet wb4mle@wb4mle.#cenal.al.usa.noam


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 01 21:44:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Woodstock)
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Subject: Terminal Software
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 03:28:01 GMT
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I just purchased a PK96.. I also purchased the AEA Windows software..

I realize terminal software is a religious thing, but are there any
other choices of packages that support the PK-96??

Also, while you are reading.. I just connected my LAN in the house
here to the Internet..  Any BSD unix programs out there that support
TNC's ?

I realize the answer for Linux would be much different..



From [e-mail] Thu Aug 01 21:44:01 1996
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From: Roger Barker <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Weather Stations for Packet Use?
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:53:16 +0100
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I'm looking for a home wx station to use on a node. I'm familiar with
the Davis equipment, but the need for the Weatherlink (expensive over
here!), and the fact that you have to poll it for information, makes it
less than ideal for my application.

Is there anything else available in the USA that meets these
requirments:-

1. Cheap!
2. Sends its data, without being polled, every 5 or 10 seconds.

--
Roger Barker, G4IDE  [e-mail]
Boston, UK           "Be tolerant of everything, except for intolerance!"


From [e-mail] Thu Aug 01 21:44:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jon Welch)
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Subject: WINTNC Ver 1.01
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Hi All,

I would just like to announce that Ver 1.01 of my WINTNC Windows
Multiuser Packet Driver program for KISS mode TNC's and Baycom modems is
now available from my web site.

Bye for now,

Jon.

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