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From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:39:55 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skydiving,rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy,rec.sport.basketball.misc,rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: $$$ Need Money??  READ THIS $$$
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 08:29:09 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4ontn7$[e-mail]> <4oqpfu$[e-mail]>

In article <4oqpfu$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bill Vanyo) wrote:

~~ A selection of what [e-mail],
~~ (William Wincer) wrote:
~~
~~ Stress the importance of honesty:
~~ >HONESTY IS THE BEST THING WE HAVE GOING FOR US ON THIS PLAN.
~~
~~ >HONESTY IS WHAT MAKES THIS PROGRAM WORK
~~
~~ Tell us about the money you already made on this scheme:
~~ >I guess that you want to know how much I made now?  Well, I
~~ >did not reach $35,000, but I did bring in $14,684.  I just
~~ >could not believe that it worked this well.
~~
~~ Tell us how we can make that money:
~~ >Follow these instructions step-by-step if you are ready to make some
~~ >money. ...
~~
~~ Step 4:
~~ >4.      Now, upload this updated file, with your name in slot number
~~ >5, to as many USEGROUPS and BBS conference areas and file areas as you
~~ >can.  Remember the more people that get the message the better the
~~ >response will be for you, and the other people on the list.  Give the
~~ >message a real eye catching name so it will catch someone's eye.  Some
~~ >examples are: "Need some extra money?", "Need some money quick?", "A
~~ >way to pay off your bills fast!!!", or "Money!".
~~
~~ So step 4 is:  Spam, spam, spam copies of this file, with the claim
~~ that you ALREADY made big bucks on this scheme.
~~
~~ Step 6:
~~ >6.      After you do all the above steps sit back and wait for the
~~ >money to come in. Expect to see some money start in about 2 weeks.
~~ >When week 3-4 rolls around, the money will really start coming.  It is
~~ >more than just a normal feeling to see all the  money that you will
~~ >receive.
~~
~~ Step 6: Wait for the money to roll in.


STEP 7: WAIT FOR THE FEDS TO ROLL IN

--
8 cats 1 d*g and 1 hoomin so far...
[Colette, Lily, Frau Freya, Leon, Burt, Leify, Simba, Puffy, William(a d*g),
& Kathy(a hoomin)]



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:39:56 1996
From: [e-mail] (Chuck Narad)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skydiving,rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy,rec.sport.basketball.misc,rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: $$$ Need Money??  READ THIS $$$
Date: 3 Jun 1996 21:54:51 GMT
Message-ID: <4ovmvb$[e-mail]>
References: <4ontn7$[e-mail]> <4oojgm$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4oppnc$[e-mail]> <4oqmta$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>


In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> Several postmasters have written back to thank
> me, and several spammers have been terminated.

sounds kind of excessive; usually they just lose their accounts :-) :-)

c/


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| Chuck Narad -- diver/adventurer/engineer                         |
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|   "The universe is full of magical things, patiently waiting for |
|   our wits to grow sharper."                                     |
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From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:39:59 1996
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skydiving,rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy,rec.sport.basketball.misc,rec.sport.cricket
From: [e-mail] (Jon Marchant)
Subject: Re: $$$ Need Money??  READ THIS $$$
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
References: <4ontn7$[e-mail]> <4oojgm$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4oppnc$[e-mail]> <4oqmta$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4ovmvb$[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 01:11:54 GMT


Chuck Narad sez:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>> Several postmasters have written back to thank
>> me, and several spammers have been terminated.
>
>sounds kind of excessive; usually they just lose their accounts :-) :-)

Hah, I learned about User Groups on alt.motorcycle.harley and
rec.motorcycle.harley. Over there, we terminate you fast if we like you. If
not, we take our time. 8^/



Jon Marchant
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:00 1996
From: Sebastian Luening <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: (no subject)
Date: 3 Jun 1996 13:14:00 GMT
Message-ID: <4ouoeo$[e-mail]>

I am looking for cw contest simulation PC software.
I would like to use my electronic keyer with my
computer. Is there anything like this
in the net?

Vy 73
Sebastian Luening, DL5XAS
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:01 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A love story
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 14:42:23 GMT
Message-ID: <4opo7c$[e-mail]>
References: <4oceh0$[e-mail]> <4ogpf6$[e-mail]> <4ohaka$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I was thinking that all users here are not OLD DEAD Timers,
>like you.
>

Burt Old Buddy,
      I'm starting to worry about you.  Did you mean to say
'Dead Old Timers' or is there a hidden meaning in
'Old Dead Timers'.  I have noticed even your one liners
are starting to fall apart.  Maybe it's time to see the doctor
Burt. You appear to be a bit dislectic here lately.

    As I said before Burt, you don't say much, but what you
do say is bullshit.  Now you can't even get one line of bullshit
right........

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:02 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dean)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A love story
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 16:07:33 GMT
Message-ID: <4ose6b$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4oermu$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Sean Hall wrote:
>>
>> You can always tell who has way too much free time...

>Just listen to contests, traffic nets and two meters.
>
>#================#=====================================================#
>|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
>| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
>|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
>#================#=====================================================#
>| [e-mail]   [e-mail]     MAC is 5% of the market  |
>#======================================================================#

>There are those that the following applies:
>Why is it that if you disagree with what I have to say, you feel
>compelled to call my employer? Do it if you must but you better be good
>at it. If you do not kill the king, the king will kill you.



There once was a ham near Nantuckett,
Who taught school whilst perched on a bucket,
If you think the last word,
will rhyme,
you're absurd,
Cuz Burt's words ain't worth a ducket.


           C. Dean Norris
      Amateur Radio Station K7NO
      e-mail to [e-mail]
    http://www.syspac.com/~dnorris/



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:03 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Robert Casey)
Subject: A short e-letter I sent to the various LEO satellite suspects
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:22:02 GMT

This is a short letter I wrote up and sent to the various people in the
LEO re-allocation thing:

Subject: Amateur radio and the LEO proposed reallocation
Dear Sirs: Please consider removing the amateur radio bands from the list of
possible bands for re-allocation to the low earth orbit satellite.  Amateurs
provide volunteer emergency communications to help out in major disasters
when they occur.  They have invested thousands of personal dollars in their
equipment, equipment that would be rendered ususable if a re-allocation
happens.  We wouldn't be able to "write it off" on our taxes and such, like
big companies could.  So, please do not damage an existing capability for
disaster communications (emergency comm) that has cost the government almost
nothing to be set up and in place.

Sincerely,
Robert Casey

sent it to:

Cecily C. Holiday, International Bureau, FCC, Washington, DC
20554; [e-mail]; FAX [phone].
Warren G. Richards, Chair, IWG-2A, Department of State, CIP
2529, Washington, DC 20520; [e-mail]-
state.gov; FAX [phone].
Tracey Weisler, FCC Rep., IWG-2A, International Bureau, FCC,
Washington, DC 20554; [e-mail]; FAX [phone].
Leslie Taylor, LTA, 6800 Carlynn Court, Bethesda,
MD 20817; [e-mail]; FAX [phone].

via e-mail.

I tried to be cordial and non-combative, just mentioning the public servide
and emergency communications we do in disasters, and that re-allocation
would damage this.  And make useless equipment real people spent their
real and limited money on.
I'm no English major, that's sure.  So edit the above, or write a better
letter and e-mail.


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:04 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Amateur 2 and 3/4 Meter Bands May Be in Jeopardy
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 96 01:17:22 GMT
Message-ID: <4oqubp$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4onikv$[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (James W. KELLEY) wrote:

>I wonder if the LEO industry guys actually lust for one of the
>other bands, but have included amatuer bands in order to help their
>cause in some way.

More than likely, it's not that sinister.  Most of the folks I've
worked with who were involved in spectrum acquisition would take
anything they could get.  We've probably been targeted simply
because the frequencies aren't occupied by a commercial service.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:05 1996
From: [e-mail] (Curtis D. Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Amateur 2 and 3/4 Meter Bands May Be in Jeopardy
Date: 2 Jun 1996 04:31:52 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4onikv$[e-mail]> <4oqubp$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

On Sun, 02 Jun 96 01:17:22 GMT, WB3U <[e-mail]> wrote:
>   [e-mail] (James W. KELLEY) wrote:
>>I wonder if the LEO industry guys actually lust for one of the
>>other bands, but have included amatuer bands in order to help their
>>cause in some way.

>More than likely, it's not that sinister.  Most of the folks I've
>worked with who were involved in spectrum acquisition would take

I heard somewhere that it was because they could get a foot in the door
here and nowhere else. With 8000+ satellites in orbit now, more are all
we need anyway. Space junk floating around at 80000 miles an hour, and we
can get beeped. I love it.
73 kd4zkw



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:07 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Another Ramsey kit to avoid
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 96 14:01:04 GMT
Message-ID: <4osb3s$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4oksc5$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai) wrote:

>The ad doesn't mention any other part of the circuit either...
>What I expected was a kit that, when built according to their
>instructions, would be legal to use.  This kit does NOT meet FCC
>harmonics requirements, and transmits on frequencies that ARE NOT
>licensed for this purpose (FM broadcast band, aircraft band, etc.)
>while also transmitting on the intended frequency.  The filter
>should have been included as part of a decent (or just legal) design.

I have to agree with this.  The description of the kit should
mention the need to add external filtering.  What they're selling
is a kit to build a comb generator, not a transmitter.

Also, price is irrelevant unless one assumes that cheap pricing
entitles a manufacturer to use deceptive practices to sell their
product.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:07 1996
From: [e-mail] (Samuel R. DiSalvo)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARRL info on 2m/70cm issue
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 21:01:17 GMT
Message-ID: <4oq0ho$[e-mail]>

The proposal to reallocate the 2m/70cm bands from the amateurs and
give it to the LEO industry is apparently true, unless the ARRL is
also in on the hoax. They have information on it at the following web
address:

   http://www.arrl.org/announce/

I guess they are looking at other bands as well. I would think that
the amateur bands would be the last group of frequencies anyone would
want to go after since that is where the most resistance would
probably be.

What about taking some of the wasted UHF TV allocations. One little TV
channel  has the same bandwidth as the entire 2m band. The cellular
industry and several others did it when they took chennels 70 through
83 and created the entire 800 MHz band. Television allocations have
got to be the biggest waste of RF spectrum.



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:09 1996
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc,aus.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Australian Ham Poll (was: Problem with name of "boatanchors"?)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
References: <4o3j7t$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:21:55 GMT

Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:

>>Again (and again!), a particular group is not meant to target *every*
>>ham worldwide.

>  No, but the name should be clear to most hams. The current evidence is
>that while this is true for American hams, it is not true for most foreign
>hams. Even more the on the bands, Usenet is international

Hello Amateur Radio Friends In Australia,
Here in the US we are proposing a new group titled
rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors. One of the opponents, Ralph Lindberg,
considers "boatanchors" an inappropriate name - he believes that most
foreign hams are unfamiliar with this term. Thus, I've chosen you good
folks in the Southern Hemisphere for an informal poll. PLEASE REPLY VIA
EMAIL only, as this message is cross-posted to a non-amateur group
(news.groups).

All I ask is that you answer the following questions (briefly!):

1. Have you ever heard of the ham radio term "boatanchors"? [YN]
2. What class of license do you hold? [VHF-only, or all band]
3. How many years have you been licensed?
4. How many years have you been interested in radio

For those without an amateur radio license please answer 1 and 4.
Please do not include any discussion, as the Request For Discussion
(RFD) will appear later, and we'll certainly then welcome your comments!

Very warm regards from very warm Hawaii,
Jeff KH2PZ/KH6

P.S. I am not including Ralph's email address in the Reply-To line
for I don't want to flood his mailbox (which I'm sure won't happen
anyway since the traffic on aus.radio.amateur.misc is low), so I'm
sure I'll be accused of falsifying the results... Just can't win!


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:09 1996
From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BAND THREAT:  Sample Letter
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 18:17:00 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4p08th$[e-mail]>

Arden, that is exceptional.  Cool-headed, reasonable, and a firm statement of
facts - exactly what we need to blow this effort right out of the water.  I
hope others use this letter as an example of what to write and how to write it
!
Congrats and 73!
Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB
ARRL Hudson Division Assistant Director
ARRL ENY Section Bulletin Manager/PIC
Stillwater, NY
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:13 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steve KA4IQD)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: beginner info
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 09:23:41 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

On Fri, 31 May 1996 02:09:50 GMT, [e-mail] (Rooster)
wrote:

>hi,
>
>i am 36 years old, i live near Louisville, Ky (Greenville, IN, zip
>47122).  i have worked with electronic equipment including radio,
>aircraft nav, computers, and sats for about 16 years.  i am a college
>grad and have about 8 hrs in classes from the EE dept.  as a kid i knew
>code.
>
>i have never had an amateur license, but i would like to get one now.  i
>have 2 very young boys and they may be interested in radio some day.
>
>i am new to this area and don't know anyone here.  how do i go about
>taking a test for a license?  which test should i study for?  i
>don't think i'll be erecting any 160 m antennas.  tests on
>electronic stuff don't scare me.  i would have to relearn morse
>code.
>
>thanks a bunch for any help or links to someone else who can.

I'm just outside Louisville so maybe I can help out some.  Write to
[e-mail] and ask him about exam schedules.  He's the head of
the VE team that I'm a part of.  He should be able to get you info on
all the exams in the area.

As to what to study for, that depends on what you want to do.  You can
go ahead and get the no code tech and work up from there.  Gives you
vhf and above.  Would only have to work on the theory for now and not
worry about the code yet.  Or the tech theory and 5wpm code gets you
some hf privileges as well.  The higher you go the more you can do.

Let me know if anything I can help with.

--
73,
Steve KA4IQD
[e-mail]
Greetings from the Bluegrass State.  Home of the
1996 NCAA champion University of Kentucky Wildcat
basketball team.


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:14 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CB bootleggers on 10 meters
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 03:20:50 GMT
Message-ID: <4oog9h$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Jack Giehl) wrote:

>Hi,

>Ten was really open Tuesday night.  As I was moving from the FM
>segment (29.4 to 29.7) down to the AM segment (29.0), I heard some
>unbelievable filthy language on 29.225 LSB.  Apparently, some
>CB types have decided to make 10 meters their home.  I believe the
>signals may be coming from New York state.

>Any one else heard this garbage?

>Jack, WB8BFS, Cincinnati...

Been hearing it for years.  Hong Kong cab drivers, and in Indonesia,
10 meters *is* the CB band.   I even had one guy from Australia call
me a few years back, and when I ask him his call he replied with
something like 'Road Runner 69'.  When I explained to him that I
couldn't talk to him if he was not a licensed amateur, he proceeded
to read me the riot act about how screwed up 'yanks' are......

The United States doesn't have problem with bootleggers on the ham
bands when you compare it to S.E. Asia.  In Hong Kong you can buy
two meter equipment in any drug store and they people selling it have
no idea what it is.  In the Philippines, there are one hundred fold
more bootleggers on two meters than there are hams, and if you put
up an amateur radio repeater you must constantly fight to keep the
slims off of it.  Japan has big time problems with slims on VHF/UHF
also. Loads of fishing boats on 10 meter FM, etc.,etc.,etc.......

We have had a few people migrate to ten meters in Guam from lower
frequencies, including the installation of a few simplex auto patches.
The greyhound track here decided 146.00 would be a great frequency
for their 'business' radios, so they bought a bunch of HT's and gave
that a shot for a year or so also.   Since Guam is so small we didn't
have much trouble solving those type of problems as it very easy
to locate the source of the problem.

Anyway, not at all supprised at what you are hearing.  If the band
gets open to out here, you will really have something to complain
about.

73, Jim KH2D





From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:15 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ken Hopkins)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Chicago Area Hams - Volunteers Needed
Date: 2 Jun 1996 12:09:43 GMT
Message-ID: <4os0a7$[e-mail]>

Hi All. The American Red Cross is sponsoring a 5K/10K run in the Schaumburg
area on Sunday, August 4th. We're looking for some hams to help provide
communications to coordinate the run and ensure everyone's safety.

If you might be interested in helping out for about 3 hours that morning,
please e-mail me your contact info and I'll get back to you with more details.

Thanks a lot!


Ken



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:16 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Christain County Ham Busted (fwd)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4on6u3$[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 00:05:03 GMT

[e-mail] (Patrick Cook) wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 1996, Jeffrey Herman wrote:

>> Seems one of you is a little paranoid. Have something to hide from the feds
?

>Jeff:  *I* think YOU are the one who is paranoid AND has something to hide
>from the feds.

Hi Pat, Oh I have absolutely nothing to hide at all! In fact, I'm all
for warrantless search and seizures. My home and computer are open to
the feds or locals at any time they care to check. We need to give law
enforcement *much* more power than they currently have.

You say the the owner of that .sig line works for the police - he's a
dispatcher, Pat, not a police officer. I find it contradictory that
he receives his paycheck from the police yet he displays so much fear
of them (as shown in his .sig).

Have a great weekend!
Jeff KH2PZ/KH6


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:17 1996
From: KD6FYK <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 23:19:06 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4o1q2d$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <01bb4f23.c5e9bca0$[e-mail]>

Dwight Osen wrote:
>
> One of my theories about CW is, it  keeps the wantabees from buying a
> radio and just jumping on the bands that are crouded enough.


YES-YES-YES,thats it!go to head of class,dwight.73 blah-blah in cm88ll


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:18 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (charles copeland)
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 21:34:57 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
Mike B  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>charles copeland ([e-mail]) wrote to me by E-mail so that
>nobody else on this group would observe his ISM (I, self and me) :))
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>> CC> Nothing "spoiled" about earning something with hard labor.
>>
>> MB> Hard labor in a hobby, eh?  Gosh, how you've suffered..You poor soul.
>
>Your a jerk.

Your original post, and my e-mail reply had no business on newsgroups.
You are a jerk, and more that I can't/shouldn't state here.



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:19 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC TX manufacture regulation
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 96 14:55:51 GMT
Message-ID: <4oppua$[e-mail]>
References: <4o4c19$[e-mail]> <4o791s$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

   Chris Broadbent <[e-mail]> wrote:

>This is encouraging.  If there was a serious attempt to regulate the
>manufacture of radios, wouldn't home brew TX's require some sort of
>certification - thus making it far less attractive to make one's own?

Hi Chris,

The F.C.C. can easily regulate the manufacture and sale of
commercial equipment without affecting the homebrew afficianado.
HF amplifiers are already regulated in this way.

73 & GL,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:20 1996
From: [e-mail] (A.G. von Luternow)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Feedback on MFJ HF tuners please.
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 17:07:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4olsol$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

On Fri, 31 May 1996 04:32:25 GMT, [e-mail] (Gerald
Phillips) wrote:

>I am thinking about buying an MFJ HF tuner (specifically the 300w one
>with dummy load, etc.)  Looking on some feedback about them and any
>expereiences (good or bad) folks have had.  Also reccomendations on
>other tuners is fine also.  Thanks.
>
>KE4MBD
>Gerald
>

        My MJF tuner (MFJ-941D) has been in service for over 10 years
with no problems. It has been used to tune numerous different types of
antennae from long-wires to full-wave loops and has done a credible
job.
        I opted not get the tuner with a built-in dummy load, my
thinking being that I could use the dummy load at both my operating
position and on my workbench. A separate dummy load does make things
easier.
        One note is that I annually clean the contacts, tighten the
hardware and do a general physical inspection. I just consider this
routine maintenance.

73 de N4JVP
Fritz



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:20 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Feedback on MFJ HF tuners please.
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 96 14:10:45 GMT
Message-ID: <4opn9o$[e-mail]>
References: <4olsol$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

   Ray Wilson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>The dummy load ain't so dumb.  If I select the dummy load with an
>antenna attached to the tuner, then key up, enough RF will find
>it's way to the antenna to get S-7 reports within a mile or so.

Sounds like their dummy loads and their verticals share some
common technology.  ;)

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:21 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Collin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Feedback on MFJ HF tuners please.
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 12:43:01 GMT
Message-ID: <4os60b$[e-mail]>
References: <4olsol$[e-mail]> <4oo76g$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] wrote:

>[e-mail] (Gerald Phillips) wrote:

>>I am thinking about buying an MFJ HF tuner (specifically the 300w one
>>with dummy load, etc.)  Looking on some feedback about them and any
>>expereiences (good or bad) folks have had.  Also reccomendations on
>>other tuners is fine also.  Thanks.

For the same $$$, get a VCI300DLP (also sold under Tucker name) ...
MUCH better contruction, VERY much better appearance, and solid
performance.  MFJ varies greatly due to (IMO) poor quality control.
I've determined never to own another piece of MFJ gear!



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:25 1996
From: Steve Dobak <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Feedback on MFJ HF tuners please.
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 22:58:42 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4olsol$[e-mail]> <4opqti$[e-mail]> <4os2j1$[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

Jim Kehler wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (Gerald Phillips) wrote:
>
> >>I am thinking about buying an MFJ HF tuner (specifically the 300w one
> >>with dummy load, etc.)  Looking on some feedback about them and any
> >>expereiences (good or bad) folks have had.  Also reccomendations on
> >>other tuners is fine also.  Thanks.
>
> >>KE4MBD
> >>Gerald
>
> I purchased the '3 KW' Differential T-Tuner.  Took me
> about two days before the roller inductor melted into
> a pile of goo.
>
> But MFJ's service is as good as thier product - after a long
> international telephone call I convinced them to send me a
> new roller inductor instead of sending back the tuner and they
> did - in a nice white box with 'REJECT' written in red on the
> outside of the box. The 'new' roller was so warped it wouldn't
> roll.
>
> In my opinion, they live up to thier name - Mighty Fine Junk.
>
> 73, Jim KH2D
>
>
I almost brought that tuner but with the past experances Ive had with
MFJ and I use slightly differant words for mfj I found someone who
had one went and took a look, all I can say is if I had paid money for
that tuner I would have been pissed, nuff said


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:28 1996
From: [e-mail] (W8JI  Tom)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Feedback on MFJ HF tuners please.
Date: 2 Jun 1996 20:10:35 -0400
Message-ID: <4otahr$[e-mail]>
References: <4os2j1$[e-mail]>

In article <4os2j1$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Jim Kehler) writes:

>I purchased the '3 KW' Differential T-Tuner.  Took me
>about two days before the roller inductor melted into
>a pile of goo.
>
>But MFJ's service is as good as thier product - after a long
>international telephone call I convinced them to send me a
>new roller inductor instead of sending back the tuner and they
>did - in a nice white box with 'REJECT' written in red on the
>outside of the box. The 'new' roller was so warped it wouldn't
>roll.
>
>In my opinion, they live up to thier name - Mighty Fine Junk.
>
>73, Jim KH2D

Jim, You should call them again and get a new roller. The old ones were
made by Oren Elliot Products in Edgerton Ohio. They were a big problem,
since the people at OEP don't have a clue about correct RF component
design. The OEP people are machinists by trade, not EE's.

To avoid that problem, you need to use the MAXIMUM capacitance that
permits a match in your system. Some MFJ manual's are VERY poorly written
when describing how to tune the tuner.

You may try the new roller coil, since the Q is much higher than the old
coils. That, in combination with the correct tuning procedure, will
greatly improve things.

BTW, the worse possible loads for any T network are capacitive and low
resistance. Avoid them like the plague.

73 Tom


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:29 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Feedback on MFJ HF tuners please.
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 96 15:55:21 GMT
Message-ID: <4oshq1$[e-mail]>
References: <4olsol$[e-mail]> <4opqti$[e-mail]> <4os2j1$[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (Jim Kehler) wrote:

>I purchased the '3 KW' Differential T-Tuner.  Took me
>about two days before the roller inductor melted into
>a pile of goo.

This is a *very* common problem, even at moderate power levels.
All these tuners will be junk once they're out of warranty.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:31 1996
From: [e-mail] (W8JI  Tom)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Feedback on MFJ HF tuners please.
Date: 4 Jun 1996 12:39:15 -0400
Message-ID: <4p1orj$[e-mail]>
References: <4p0uaq$[e-mail]>

Let's all be perfectly clear about this. NONE of the tuners produced today
are properly rated. The reason is simple, and contrary to what has been
stated Dentron was a major contributor--not the pillar of honest ratings.
How do I know? I have done consulting work for many of the manufacturers
and personally know the people that wrote advertisements, and that
included the owner of Dentron. I have pressured several manufacturers and
advertising departments on this issue, all to no avail.

The power rating system used for tuners today stems from years ago when
transmitters were rated by dc input power. For example, the SB-220 and L4B
were designed (and this is first hand knowlege) as 1000 watt dc input CW
amplifiers (500-600 watts RF carrier output). These amplifiers were called
2 KW amplifiers, because on voice peaks the dc plate input could reach
2000 watts (the actual design PEP output was 1000-1200 watts peak).

Tuners still follow that "system". Even though amplifier ratings changed,
tuners never changed with them. A 2000 watt tuner is typically designed to
operate with about 600 watts of RF carrier throughput under ideal
conditions.

Dentron, makers of some of the least efficient amplifiers, moved the
rating up a few notches. Some of their amplifier ran 3000 watts PEP input
and delivered 600-700 watts CW output. Because of that, and just to keep
things in perspective, everyone else increased their ratings.

The final result is true RF power handling of almost any tuner is about
1/3 to 1/2 of the "advertised or name value". But it keeps getting worse.
Let me give a few more examples.

The Vectronics 3 kW tuner uses the same troublesome roller that MFJ
recently abandoned, and SMALLER capacitor plate spacing. It handles even
less power uner the same load conditions. Of course you could buy a
patented $1000 tuner with NO warranty that uses the same roller size as
these tuners (but on a higher melting temperature ceramic form) and
doesn't even have the case properly grounded. That one will squeak by at
1500 watts with a high Z load, except you get no balun or balanced output.

In my opinion, everyone should DEMAND tuners be rated by the true RF power
capability under a given set of conditions, and not some nebulious system
that means absolutely nothing.

The power rating system used by ALL tuner manufacturers today means
absolutely nothing, it simply indicates the capacitor size. Many amateur
equipment ratings (I'm still upset about the useless weight control and
the character shortening on QSK CW in my IC 706) are almost worthless. The
problem is bigger than one manufacturer, and it will continue to grow.

The truth is, if someone made a good tuner and advertised it truthfully,
no one would buy it. It would look like too little for the money.

73 Tom


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:31 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Feedback on MFJ HF tuners please.
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 96 15:55:21 GMT
Message-ID: <4oshq1$[e-mail]>
References: <4olsol$[e-mail]> <4opqti$[e-mail]> <4os2j1$[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (Jim Kehler) wrote:

>I purchased the '3 KW' Differential T-Tuner.  Took me
>about two days before the roller inductor melted into
>a pile of goo.

This is a *very* common problem, even at moderate power levels.
All these tuners will be junk once they're out of warranty.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:32 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Free: Available 2x1 & 1x2 Calls
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4ol6lk$[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 23:52:09 GMT

Bob Levine <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have written a simple Basic program to extract all available 2x1 and
>1x2 callsigns from the QRZ! cdrom.  You can find them at the bottom of
>my personal WWW page http://www.ultranet.com/~bob/
>Bob KD1GG

Good Friday afternoon, Bob! I wonder, how often is QRZ! updated? After
the opening of each gate it would have to be updated to reflect the
loss of newly assigned calls (and the availability of the calls given up
by licensees upon obtaining their new vanity calls).

Jeff KH2PZ/KH6
(Looking for a cheap source of 6LB6 firebottles for my Galaxy GT-550)


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:35 1996
From: [e-mail] (Mike Morris)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Hellllp - switching power supply assistance asked
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 15:14:45 pdt
Distribution: usa
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

My zero knowledge of switching power supplies is hampering me on two projects.

Here's the situations...

Project #1:

I picked up a second hand solar panel array that it is made up of four 12v 2a
panels, currently wired as 24v at 4a (actually anywhere from 18-34v, depending

on the light level). It could be rewired very easily as 12v at8a (potentially
9-17v).  I'd like to come up with a switching regulator design that will take
the 18-34v in, and output about 13-14v at whatever amps can be made available.
Or if rewiring it for 12v is more appropriate, no problem.

The time frame is close - the annual amateur radio emergency prepardness
exercise is coming up fast (June 22nd & 23rd), and I'd like to use this solar
system then. I just need to come up with a decent design and any wierd
chip(s) - I have a good sized junk box.

My fallback position is to use a linear regulator based on a 7812 and some
pass transistors but we'd like to have something that makes use of the
excess voltage/power, not just throws it away as heat.

Project 2:

I work with a local repeater group, and we've come up with some
commercial audio processing equipment that needs +28v at 60 watts (i.e. a
little over 2a).  Everything at our repeater site runs off of +12v.
So while I could come up with a 555 driving some power transistors and
a toroidal transformer, and standard linear supply after that, I thought
that a switcher could give me a much higher efficiency.


Comments?   Ideas?   Please?


Mike Morris  WA6ILQ        [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:36 1996
From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: help with ringo ranger
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 96 11:30:59 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4oohks$ljb$[e-mail]>

If you don't have the paperwork to help determine the length of each of the
three adjustable sections, then I have found that you can set them based upon
weather markings.  In other words, you will see a line demarking where the
aluminum has been oxidized and where it hasn't, indicating where the sections
were previously adjusted.  For the center, horizontal section, you will likely
find some set-screw markings to indicate where it should be set.

The tuning slide at the bottom may also show a set screw mark, though this
is easily adjusted using an SWR bridge.

Hope these tricks will be useful.  I currently have three Ringo Ranger II's
in the air and they work well.  If you break any of the three ground plane
radials, I have found that 1/4" threaded stainless rod, cut to length, works
just as well and is cheaper than getting new ones from Crushcraft.  Another
hint: when assembled and adjusted, spray the whole thing with a coat of
clear kyrlon.

73 de Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB
Stillwater, NY
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:37 1996
From: [e-mail](D/S/Losty)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HF AM operations
Date: 3 Jun 1996 05:47:05 GMT
Message-ID: <4otu8p$[e-mail]>
References: <4opnce$[e-mail]>

Do I detect a little bias against AM operation?
Except for a few abusing stations, no AM stations that I've
recently heard or worked are splattering 12khz. While,
the average bandwidth of an AM station is indeed 6kHz versus
3 khz for SSB, there are not AM stations on the air for this to
cause a problem.

I've heard many more over-modulated, over-processed, splattering
SSB stations than I've heard from AM stations.

In any event, the most popular frequencies for HF, AM operating
are 3.885khz (plus or minus 25 khz), and 7290 khz.

73,
Doug/WA1TUT


nnnn



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:38 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Huh? No More 2m and 70cm? Get Real!!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 21:50:34 GMT

> Let's not forget the manufacturers! Are we supposed to believe that Alinco,
> Icom, Kenwood, Standard and Yaesu are going to let the government take away
> the majority of thier buisness? NOT!

Hmmmm, there's an idea - for those of you who are writing letters why not
fire off one to each of the above manufacturers?

It looks as if the 6 and 1 1/4 meter bands are going to have increased
activity if this goes through!

Jeff KH2PZ/KH6 (who only operates HF/MF CW)



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:39 1996
From: Kenneth Keslar <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Huh? No More 2m and 70cm? Get Real!!
Date: 1 Jun 1996 21:06:53 GMT
Message-ID: <4oqbdd$[e-mail]>
References: <4on5s5$[e-mail]> <4oo8n5$[e-mail]> <4opj28$[e-mail]>

>    ************** 2 Meter AND 70 cm BANDS THREATENED ***************
>                   __________________________________

>        THIS IS  NO  JOKE!!  ARRL HAS LEARNED THAT IN PREPARATION FOR
>THE
>WORLD RADIO CONFERENCE  IN  1997,  REPRESENTATIVES OF THE LOW-EARTH-
>ORBIT
>(LEO)  INDUSTRY  PROPOSED  A   LIST  OF  CANDIDATE  FREQUENCY  BANDS
>FOR
>REALLOCATION TO, AND EXCLUSIVE USE OF THE MOBILE SATELLITE SERVICE.
>THIS
>LIST INCLUDES 144- 148 MHZ (THE CURRENT AMATEUR 2 M BAND) AND 420-450
>MHZ
>(THE CURRENT AMATEUR 70 CM BAND)!
>       IF THIS EFFORT WERE TO BE SUCCESSFUL,  IT  WOULD  MEAN THE END
>OF
>AMATEUR  OPERATIONS  ON THESE TWO MOST HEAVILY UTILIZED  AMATEUR
>VHF/UHF
>BANDS!
>


Why would they want us hams to suffer?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Most hams I know have at least one 2 meter tranceiver  and if what you
say would happen what are we going to do whith our equipment?????
Sell IT???   Then to Whom?!?!?!?!?
This would mean my $400 rig would be useless and i can not afford a
different rig because i am only in 8th grade!!!!!!!!!!!


If they were to take these bands away that would they are also taking a
lot of the services we hams provide to the community and the
country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

73 KB2WKW
Kenny



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:40 1996
From: CrACKeD <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Huh? No More 2m and 70cm? Get Real!!
Date: 1 Jun 1996 11:49:03 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4on5s5$[e-mail]> <4oo8n5$[e-mail]> <4oohmq$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>


> What makes this whole thing unbelievable is the equipment issue. When we los
t
> 11m, lots of equipment got retuned for 10m. When we lost 220-222, everyone
> just moved to the top of that band. If they take away 2m & 70cm, what can we

> do with the equipment? Sell it? To WHOM?
>
> Let's not forget the manufacturers! Are we supposed to believe that Alinco,
> Icom, Kenwood, Standard and Yaesu are going to let the government take away
> the majority of thier buisness? NOT!
>
> Either this whole issue is some kind of flame bait joke or someone is taking

> a statement WAY out of context!

If you ask me, the 2-m and 70-cm bands were just slapped on the list with
hundreds of other frequencies.  I doubt that anyone had seriously looked
into reassigning the amateur bands to the mobil satellite service.  I'm
sure they will change their mind though, there's got to be some other
bands out there that are hardly used...or are there?



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:41 1996
From: Bruce Burke <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Huh? No More 2m and 70cm? Get Real!!
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 07:34:19 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4on5s5$[e-mail]> <4oo8n5$[e-mail]> <4oohmq$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Ken Bessler (KG0WX) wrote:
>
> CrACKeD wrote:

> Let's not forget the manufacturers! Are we supposed to believe that Alinco,
> Icom, Kenwood, Standard and Yaesu are going to let the government take away
> the majority of thier buisness? NOT!

These guys do the mojority of their business in the commercial realm, NOT amat
eur.
They would just make minor changes and be on their way!
>
> Either this whole issue is some kind of flame bait joke or someone is taking
> a statement WAY out of context!

It is a real proposal to an Informal Working Group(IWG-2A), for the
upcoming WRC-97. I doubt that it will make it beyond that
point - this time.

73,

Bruce, WB4YUC
>
>                                 Ken Bessler KG0WX
>


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:42 1996
From: "James H. Gorka" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Huh? No More 2m and 70cm? Get Real!!
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 00:51:21 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4on5s5$[e-mail]> <4oo8n5$[e-mail]>

Millions???
--


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:43 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steve King)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Huh? No More 2m and 70cm? Get Real!!
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 12:41:08 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4on5s5$[e-mail]> <4oo8n5$[e-mail]> <4oohmq$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

"Ken Bessler (KG0WX)" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Either this whole issue is some kind of flame bait joke or someone is taking
>a statement WAY out of context!

When I first saw the bulletin, I immediately assumed it was a forgery.
I e-mailed the New England director and vice-director and they wrote
back to confirm that the bulletin and threat is real.

Personally, I think it is just bureaucratic stupidity that made them
not take the amateur frequencies off their list of candidates than any
malicious activity.  Then again, if you believe that black helicopters
are flying over your house....

Steve
--
http://www.afn.org/~afn35036  (EL89tq)| "I have never really understood the
http://www.afn.org/~gars              | rationale behind sports...which
http://www.afn.org/~quilters          | all seem like exhausting new ways of
PGP pub key: finger [e-mail]  | getting injured while sweating." -LGW


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:44 1996
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Huh? No More 2m and 70cm? Get Real!!
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 06:37:16 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4on5s5$[e-mail]> <4oo8n5$[e-mail]>

Drew Durigan wrote:
>  Even
> if the unthinkable happened...that these frequencies were taken from
> amateurs and given over to commercial interests, do you actually think
> that those same MILLIONS of amateurs will simply say "Oh, too bad", throw
> their equipment away, and cease operations?  Uh, no...I don't think so.

Hams would roll over in a second. In fact for the few that didn't the
others would turn them in.

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]   [e-mail]     MAC is 5% of the market  |
#======================================================================#


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:45 1996
From: [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Huh? No More 2m and 70cm? Get Real!!
Date: 3 Jun 1996 22:52:08 -0400
Message-ID: <4p08co$[e-mail]>
References: <4on5s5$[e-mail]> <4oo8n5$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
Steve King <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>It happened for real a few years ago when UPS paid off the FCC to give
>them 220-222 MHz from the amateur band.  Then again, at the time the
>FCC didn't have a mandate to sell of the electromagnetic spectrum to
>balance the budget.  The FCC did it once they can certainly do it
>again if someone crosses their palm with a few pieces of silver.

The thing that really pisses me off about UPS is that they didn't even
end up using it. Although I think they are today it was a complete
waste.
>
>As for hams using frequencies that are not allocated to amateur radio,
>that would be illegal and would be punishable by revokation of their
>licence and a monitary fine.  Personally, I'd rather gripe and
>complain and use my radios as paperweights than lose my licence
>forever.

{Begin theoretical situation}

Ok, so my friends and I continue to use 2m and 70cm. Hell, I'll even
ID my station. So they send me an NAL and I refuse to pay it. When they
come to get me they'll be staring down the barrel of a 12 gauge.
So tell me, do they send out the National Guard to bring me down? Just look
at the mess in Montana, or those at Ruby Ridge and Waco.

{End theoretical situation}


I'm thoroughly sick of government and big business doing what they
want to the little guy. It's time to fight back! And fighting back
may very well mean the next american revolution. I'd say it's long
overdue.

Of course the more interesting thing will be the race war that starts
in California and then Florida. The U.S. Military is by and large
comprised of minorities and do you think for one minute they'll
defend the U.S. against their "brothers"? Government had better start
looking at the real problems in this country before it's too late.

Sorry to go off on a political tangent but I just had to.

>
Tony



--
== Tony Pelliccio, KD1NR
== As offensive as I wanna be.
== [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:46 1996
From: [e-mail] (jrs)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: I support the LEO and the loss of ham frequencies.
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 02:13:57 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4omir5$[e-mail]> <4onfup$[e-mail]>

On 31 May 1996 12:06:01 -0700, CrACKeD <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Guy Teague <[e-mail]> wrote:
>: I support putting Mr. Fisher in Low Earth Orbit.
>
>I second the motion.  Apparently Mr. Fisher has not been involved in the
>public service side of amateur radio.
>
Why put Mr. Fisher in Low Earth Orbit? His "mind" is already in outer
space.


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:48 1996
From: KD6FYK <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: I support the LEO and the loss of ham frequencies.
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 01:46:47 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Dave Booth wrote:
>
> Burt Fisher wrote:
> >
> > Clearly almost anyone can better use ham frequencies than hams can.
> > Have you listened to the important conversations plus contests
> > and useless traffic on ham bands. If the FCC wiped out ham radio
> > today 99% of the public would be unaffected. Even most hams
> > would be unaffected as they are either dead, should be dead, or
> > inactive.
> >
> > I think I will write my congressIT.
> >
> >
> > #================#=====================================================#|
 Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
> > | Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
> > |    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
> > #================#=====================================================#|
[e-mail]   [e-mail]     MAC is 5% of the market  |
> > #======================================================================#>
> Burt grow up and rip up your licence!!!!!!
> you must not be a ham.. just a pig.!!!!!
> http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5860
> --
> Dave Booth
> kc6wfs


now-now dave,we are supposed to be nice to our fellow hamsters,
after all it's just a hobby.73 steve cm88ll


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:49 1996
From: "Andrew D. Lawlor" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I support the LEO and the loss of ham frequencies.
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 09:35:24 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4ooehb$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Burt,

If you hate ham radio so much why do you spend so much
time & energy on the newsgroup(s)?

Why did you ever let your daughter become a ham?

Why don't you simply sell off your equipment and be done
with ham radio?


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:50 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steve King)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: I support the LEO and the loss of ham frequencies.
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 15:04:08 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Clearly almost anyone can better use ham frequencies than hams can.
>Have you listened to the important conversations plus contests
>and useless traffic on ham bands. If the FCC wiped out ham radio
>today 99% of the public would be unaffected. Even most hams
>would be unaffected as they are either dead, should be dead, or
>inactive.

<sarcasm>

I agree!  All I hear on the VHF repeaters around here are Old Farts
(tm) talking about their various health ailments and their wet,
hacking coughs into the microphone.  I say shut down VHF and UHF
amateur radio and force these Old Coots (tm) back to 40 m.

</sarcasm>
--
http://www.afn.org/~afn35036  (EL89tq)| "I have never really understood the
http://www.afn.org/~gars              | rationale behind sports...which
http://www.afn.org/~quilters          | all seem like exhausting new ways of
PGP pub key: finger [e-mail]  | getting injured while sweating." -LGW


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:51 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: I support the LEO and the loss of ham frequencies.
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 96 12:34:16 GMT
Message-ID: <4os1h9$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4opopa$[e-mail]>

In article <4opopa$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jaso
n Baack) wrote:

>Lets take the negative energy generated here and use it to write to those
>who thought up this whole (CENSORED) idea.
> Flaming Burt does nothing but show Burt that he is great at generating hate
>mail.
>I for one will direct resentment, anger, attention..to the FCC and others..
>

    Good Idea, but let's make sure the letters sent are logical and not
flames. Be curtious and state your case NICELY. Blasting them will only hurt
our cause. Stressing the possitive aspects of the bands.

Tom - KB2SMS


   Tom Randall            Amateur Radio - KB2SMS
   [e-mail]       Mt. Beacon Amateur Radio Club / ARRL
                          Member: AAVSO Solar Division

   Opinions herein are mine and may not be that of MHV.NET!


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:52 1996
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: I support the LEO and the loss of ham frequencies.
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 06:32:45 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4on9o1$[e-mail]>

Mike Stansberry wrote:

> Don't buy into Burt's flame.  He lives to do this sort of thing.

Even it that were true. It better than saying HIHI and calling
CQ Contest

--
#================#=====================================================#|  Bur
t Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#| k1oi
[e-mail]   [e-mail]     MAC is 5% of the market  |
#======================================================================#


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:53 1996
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: I support the LEO and the loss of ham frequencies.
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 06:34:56 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Dave Booth wrote:

> Burt grow up and rip up your licence!!!!!!
> you must not be a ham.. just a pig.!!!!!

No a pig is a contester or a welfare woman

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]   [e-mail]     MAC is 5% of the market  |
#======================================================================#

There are those that the following applies:
Why is it that if you disagree with what I have to say, you feel
compelled to call my employer? Do it if you must but you better be good
at it. If you do not kill the king, the king will kill you.


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:54 1996
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I support the LEO and the loss of ham frequencies.
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 20:51:01 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4ooehb$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Andrew D. Lawlor wrote:
>
> If you hate ham radio so much why do you spend so much
> time & energy on the newsgroup(s)?

You are such easy marks.

> Why did you ever let your daughter become a ham?

Let? She wanted to plus she wanted someone at her level to talk
to (she was 8 when she got her call). She outgrew ham radio by age ten.


> Why don't you simply sell off your equipment and be done
> with ham radio?

$3000 and I am outta here.

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
|                            [e-mail]                          |
#======================================================================#

I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no
respect.
Edward Gibbon


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:55 1996
From: "Ken Bessler (KG0WX)" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: I support the LEO and the loss of ham frequencies.
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 12:12:13 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4or6t6$[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] wrote:

> If you were just trying to be "cute" you should clarify in a followup
> article before your peers realize you are a moron too.

Too late!
--

                                Ken Bessler KG0WX
                                Design Services Company
                                http://www2.southwind.net/~kg0wx


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:56 1996
From: [e-mail] (Skid Schermerhorn, W1TTY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: I support the LEO and the loss of ham frequencies.
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 22:49:42 GMT
Message-ID: <4oqhn9$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4omir5$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Guy Teague) wrote:

>I support putting Mr. Fisher in Low Earth Orbit.
>--
>Cheers  73 de  [e-mail]  "They're out there"              K Kesey
>Guy     KG5VT  [e-mail]  "Hey don't eat that yellow snow" F Zappa

Much too low.  Go for Venus - one way.

73


Skid Schermerhorn - W1TTY   http://www.capecod.net/~sscherme/index.htm
East Sandwich               http://www.capecod.net/~sscherme/church.htm
Massachusetts  02537        http://www.capecod.net/~sscherme/bookmark.htm




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:56 1996
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: I support Warren, you should too
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 06:39:45 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

From: W3MM  Date: 31-May 1614Z  Subj: state dept hostility
Copy of message.  From: WF3H   To: ALL   Date: 31-May-1996  1614Z

One of the people heading up the effort to reallocate our freqs is Warren
Richards of the state dept. I called him today (202 647 0049) to express
my concern and to get more info. This guy was very very hostile, saying
the ARRL is spreading "bullshit". He accused hams of trying to intimidate
him (we wouldnt do that, would we?), and said "do you know how many
GODDAMN emails I have from you people? (email [e-mail]-state.
gov). He also said he wasnt interested in our opinions, and that the freqs
will continue to be considered for reallocation.

From K1OIK:
Every ham should make every effort to call Warren Richards and send him EMAIL
and give him 100% support







From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:57 1996
From: Patrick Cook <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I support Warren, you should too
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:35:41 -0600
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Burt Fisher wrote:

> From: W3MM  Date: 31-May 1614Z  Subj: state dept hostility
> Copy of message.  From: WF3H   To: ALL   Date: 31-May-1996  1614Z
>
> One of the people heading up the effort to reallocate our freqs is Warren
> Richards of the state dept. I called him today (202 647 0049) to express
> my concern and to get more info. This guy was very very hostile, saying
> the ARRL is spreading "bullshit". He accused hams of trying to intimidate
> him (we wouldnt do that, would we?), and said "do you know how many
> GODDAMN emails I have from you people? (email [e-mail]-state
.
> gov). He also said he wasnt interested in our opinions, and that the freqs
> will continue to be considered for reallocation.
>
> From K1OIK:
> Every ham should make every effort to call Warren Richards and send him EMAI
L
> and give him 100% support

Burt:  YOU are the one who's spreading BS in this newsgroup.
       YOU are the ONLY one who would LOVE to see Amateur Radio as we
           know it come to an end.

So, therefore.....

       YOU should be the one to write, email, FAX, even PERSONALLY visit YOUR
congressional representatives, and leave the REST OF US ALONE!!!

Better yet, Burt:  Next time the Space Shuttle goes up on a SAREX mission,
book a one-way ticket to the MOON!!! (Although PLUTO would be a MUCH better
place).

This way, we can hear the astronauts (who are hams) announce via repeaters
that re-transmit live shuttle audio, that you have been safely deposited on
the planet surface.  Who knows, you could colonize a whole NEW world!!!

Gee, I wonder what ITU Region covers the Planet Pluto.....

Patrick


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:40:59 1996
From: Robert <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kenwood TM-241A
Date: 1 Jun 1996 20:59:12 GMT
Message-ID: <4oqav0$[e-mail]>
References: <4o9nrn$[e-mail]> <51d7cc$[e-mail]>


There are other reasons to open up the transmit on amateur radios...For
example, Military and governmental use.  I purchase radios for military
and governmental use and generally it is cheaper to purchase them off the
shelf and convert them to all band use than to special order ones that
are already opened up.  In addition, many of the military operators
purchase these radios and use them while on duty...





From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:01 1996
From: [e-mail] (Lrware)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: LEO's and the loss of ham frequencies.
Date: 1 Jun 1996 15:55:45 -0400
Message-ID: <4oq781$[e-mail]>
References: <4ono41$[e-mail]>

Humm... Having spent some time using a scanner to listen to the
local 2M traffic, my first thought was: Great Idea! Wonder how much
we can get for them? :-)
OK folks, all joking aside Hams are going to continue to face this
issue in the VHF and up freqs. for a while. (At least until spread
spectrum
technology matures some more. ie. costs less)
I'm an EE for a telecommunications firm, and I know how our management
would drool at the thought of getting a chunk of very valuable spectrum.
Bitching to the FCC isn't going to help much. Calling or writing your
congress persons might. Gov't bureaucrats hate being called by any
congressmans office to "explain" what the heck they think they are doing.
If the FCC persists in this plan:
I would also suggest threatning a "class action" suit to recover damages
for all the money you have invested in equipment you won't be able to use.
-Larry Ware
[e-mail]

PS: The thought of upset hams jamming the band doesn't bother
me much. If I bought the freq. at auction, I'd just sue the FCC until
they busted and jailed a few people. Most people with enough expertise
to "bother" my digital S.S. x-missions would have more sense.

-Larry Ware
[e-mail]
collector of Vintage Test Equipment, Communications Receivers and
Phone-cards.


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:01 1996
From: [e-mail] (Keith Hanson)
Subject: Re: Letter to 73 Magazine Cancelling Subscription
Date: 1 Jun 96 00:51:55 -0700
References: <4oke70$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

Your comments are right on the money.

Wayne should find a new hobby for himself....

(insert your favorite thought here)

73 Keith AA1LJ


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:03 1996
From: "Charles P. Hobbs" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Letter to 73 Magazine Cancelling Subscription
Date: 2 Jun 1996 19:46:01 -0700
Message-ID: <4otjl9$[e-mail]>
References: <4oke70$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4or512$[e-mail]>

Cecil Moore <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Ken Bessler (KG0WX) <[e-mail]> wrote:
>:      Will the last person at Wayne Green enterprises please turn off
>: lights?
>
>Hi Ken, this posting brought tears to my eyes. I remember when
>Wayne left CQ and started 73. He has been one of the greats
>of ham radio. It's possible that old people start to enter
>a different dimension as they near the end. It's happening
>to me, too. :-) Good night, don't let the Chupa-cabras bite.
>

I've read just about every "Never Say Die" from 1961 to near the
present. Usually, he'd have *great* ideas about how to build up
amateur radio, both in the US and worldwide. But even back then, he'd
get into occasional rants about the IRS, ARRL, FCC, etc.

Nowadays, he's drifting into wierd science and the like, or pitching
ragtime music. Occasionally interesting, but does this do anything
for amateur radio?

We might lose 2 meters, and the general public doesn't even know,
much less care. Outside of disaster communications, hams are known
only as "radio nerds that interfere with my $5.00 cordless phone and
ruin our planned suburbs with their antennas". Unlike the cellular
phone people, we don't "rate" with the general public anymore . . .

interesting




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:04 1996
From: [e-mail] (Raymond Sarrio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Letter writing material and e-mail links to FCC commissioner!!
Date: 1 Jun 1996 08:24:46 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

To help hams with the letter writing campaing recommended by the ARRL.

I have taken the liberty to write down some information that anyone can
use in their FCC letter opposing any realocation of the 2 meter or 70 cm
bands. The material is available at my web site. The information is
provided to help those of you (including myself) who at times have some
difficulty getting throughts down on paper. Feel free to use what you
like, and if you would like to add some additional letter writing copy,
just e-mail it to me and I will add it to the web page.

I have also established e-mail links to allthe FCC commissioners that are
listed as the critical decision makers on this issue by the ARRL.

 My URL is http://www.sarrio.com 73's, Ray WB6SIV
--
The Raymond Sarrio Co. a full feature Ham Radio Storefront and web site develo
per. Located at http://www.sarrio.com.

In association with Brillar Enterprises http://win-win.com/brillar provider of
 discount CD-Roms!



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:06 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Letter writing material and e-mail links to FCC commissioner!!
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 14:42:40 GMT
Message-ID: <4opo7t$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Raymond Sarrio) wrote:

>To help hams with the letter writing campaing recommended by the ARRL.

>I have taken the liberty to write down some information that anyone can
>use in their FCC letter opposing any realocation of the 2 meter or 70 cm
>bands. The material is available at my web site. The information is
>provided to help those of you (including myself) who at times have some
>difficulty getting throughts down on paper. Feel free to use what you
>like, and if you would like to add some additional letter writing copy,
>just e-mail it to me and I will add it to the web page.

>I have also established e-mail links to allthe FCC commissioners that are
>listed as the critical decision makers on this issue by the ARRL.

> My URL is http://www.sarrio.com 73's, Ray WB6SIV
>--
>The Raymond Sarrio Co. a full feature Ham Radio Storefront and web site devel
oper. Located at http://www.sarrio.com.

>In association with Brillar Enterprises http://win-win.com/brillar provider o
f discount CD-Roms!
>

Excellent idea, Ray.   First thing I thought about when I was writting
my letter is I wonder how many faxes already arrived at the State
Department in Washington that started out:

'Now listen here, you SOB. My repeater has been on f'in 2 meters for
the last 24 years.............'

I am very suprised that our boys in Newington didn't just prepare a
message tor the troops to sign and send in...... might have saved
some red faces at the next IWG-2 meeting.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:08 1996
From: Steve Dobak <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: MFJ-259/AEA-ISOLOOP/MFJ-1621
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 10:52:05 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4ob94m$[e-mail]>
To: Jonathan Helis <[e-mail]>

Jonathan Helis wrote:
>
> I have an MFJ-259 antenna analyzer that I use to tune up my AEA-Isoloop
> and MFJ-1621 54 inch whip antenna for HF.
>
> The problem is that I don't get an accurate reading on the 1621.
> Example:  Yesterday, I adjusted the 1621 to an SWR of 1.2:1 on 40
> meters(something I have done many times before at another QTH), but when
> I hooked up the rig to it, the rig shut down from too high an SWR!  On
> the other hand, when I tuned up the Isoloop to an SWR of 1.7:1 on 10
> meters, 20 meters, and an SWR of 1:1 on 17 meters using the analyzer,
> when I hooked up the rig, the SWR matched and I was able to work some
> stations.
>
> The rig is a Kenwood TS-140S, I have a Daiwa SWR meter, an MFJ low pass
> filter and antenna switch.  When I connect the analyzer, I connect it to
> the SWR meter, the same way I connect the rig so it sees what the rig
> sees.  I don't have problems with inaccurate readings on the Isoloop,
> just the 1621.
>
> Anyone know what is causing this?
>
> 73,
>
> Jon Helis, KB5IAV
Are you sure that the bridge was calibrated, You can check the bridge with a k
nown resistive source
before each use, also the readout for the reactive componet can be frequency d
ependant. Also make sure the
analyzer is seeing the same value as your rig as, unless you have a 1 to 1 swr
 the value you measure
will change as you measure the impedance at other places in the line
steve wb3amg


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:08 1996
From: TOM BLACKWELL <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: MHZ Electronics, 73 Magazine
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 02:16:06 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4oke70$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Does anyone know what ever happened to MHZ Electronics in Phoenix,
which used to advertise heavily in 73 Magazine in the 1970's and
early 1980's?

--
     Regards, TOM BLACKWELL, N5GAR, PO Box 25403, Dallas, Texas 75225
     ARRL SGL-North Texas    Sysop, NTPCUG TI PRO BBS: [phone]
     [e-mail]                   [e-mail]
                  http://www.why.net/home/tom.blackwell/


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:09 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
Subject: Re: Mobile Noise Help
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 96 15:55:03 GMT
Message-ID: <4oshpg$[e-mail]>
References: <4oic8d$[e-mail]> <4oodji$[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore~) wrote:
>Chris Smith, NR3O <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>I get a rushing hash (like white noise) only when the engine
>>is under load.  It is enough to wipe-out weaker stations, but
>>not those louder ones.  I throw in the clutch and it goes away,
>>even if I then race the engine (leads me to think it's not
>>ignition, but some sender unit--perhaps fuel injection
>>electronics radiate only under load?).

>Hi Chris, I have begun to suspect the ABS system is causing a
>similiar problem in my S10. Does anybody know if the clutch
>position is sensed by the ABS?

I don't know much about ABS, but I do seem to remember something
about fuel injection that has to do with the way some systems
meter intake airflow.  If I'm not mistaken, they use a heated
wire at the input to the metering unit, and airflow is determined
by measuring the current change through the wire.  As more air
flows, the wire becomes cooler and more current flows.  This is
computed in conjunction with ambient air temperature and other
factors in order to arrive at instantaneous calculations of
airflow.  Also, if I'm correct about the system, this particular
function is cut off during idle, at which time radiation from the
metering unit decreases.  It's possible this might also be linked
to the clutch, as airflow metering is not so critical at no load,
even when the airflow valve is opened to accelerate the engine.

Perhaps someone more knowledgable with current designs will know
whether this system is still in use, and whether I'm correct
about the way it works.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:11 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
Subject: Re: Mobile Noise Help
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 96 15:55:03 GMT
Message-ID: <4oshpg$[e-mail]>
References: <4oic8d$[e-mail]> <4oodji$[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore~) wrote:
>Chris Smith, NR3O <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>I get a rushing hash (like white noise) only when the engine
>>is under load.  It is enough to wipe-out weaker stations, but
>>not those louder ones.  I throw in the clutch and it goes away,
>>even if I then race the engine (leads me to think it's not
>>ignition, but some sender unit--perhaps fuel injection
>>electronics radiate only under load?).

>Hi Chris, I have begun to suspect the ABS system is causing a
>similiar problem in my S10. Does anybody know if the clutch
>position is sensed by the ABS?

I don't know much about ABS, but I do seem to remember something
about fuel injection that has to do with the way some systems
meter intake airflow.  If I'm not mistaken, they use a heated
wire at the input to the metering unit, and airflow is determined
by measuring the current change through the wire.  As more air
flows, the wire becomes cooler and more current flows.  This is
computed in conjunction with ambient air temperature and other
factors in order to arrive at instantaneous calculations of
airflow.  Also, if I'm correct about the system, this particular
function is cut off during idle, at which time radiation from the
metering unit decreases.  It's possible this might also be linked
to the clutch, as airflow metering is not so critical at no load,
even when the airflow valve is opened to accelerate the engine.

Perhaps someone more knowledgable with current designs will know
whether this system is still in use, and whether I'm correct
about the way it works.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:12 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Re: NEW! Radio Equipment Spec Sheets at Ham Radio Online
Date: 1 Jun 1996 20:22:50 GMT
Message-ID: <4oq8qq$[e-mail]>
References: <4ob65j$[e-mail]> <4off1j$[e-mail]> <4ogtgs$[e-mail]>

In article <4ogtgs$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>
>   [e-mail] (miker in Tigard, OR.) wrote:
>
>>Neat web page.  Lots of good stuff.
>>But it takes forever to load... like 2 minutes when the web is
>>loaded.  Would it be possible to put all the neat graphics in a
>>sub-page, or at least show the links before posting the graphics so
>>we don't have to wait?
>
>If you're using Netscape, why not set it so it only loads graphics
>on demand?  That's easier than trying to convince Web page authors
>to change their designs.
>
>73,
>Jack  WB3U

Thanks for the comments. By our measurements the typical user operating at
21,600 to 28.8 kbps loads the main page in 20 to 30 seconds; at 14.4 kbps
you'll see about 45 to 60 second loads. A 14.4 modem is our target
user. However, the actual load time varies depending upon server load and
Internet traffic. We rent our server space at AccessOne in Kirkland WA. They
connect to the Internet over two T-1 connection (1.544 mbps each).

Depending on your browser, you may be able to disable the display of graphics
or ensure that your browser caches images so that they do not need to be
downloaded each time. My browser also lets me page up and down and read pages
before the entire page has been loaded. This let's me select things to read
without necessarily waiting for the entire page to load.

We are also in process of setting up the web site on a new ISP that may have
higher performance. We'll post a message when that becomes availble - probably

its a month out at least.

We know that as our hobby web site has grown, the size of the pages has also
grown. We've redesigned the web site twice since starting and its time for
another redesign to accomodate the increased content.

We would like to do a redesign some time but that's easier said then done. We
run this web site solely as a hobby. My real job typically uses up 11 hours a
day of my time; we've got 3 small kids. And other time pressures too. Sometime

we will change the page design again but I would not expect more than perhaps
a
1/3rd reduction in download time.

Ed

------------------------
Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
personal email to [e-mail]
Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:13 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Re: NEW! Radio Equipment Spec Sheets at Ham Radio Online
Date: 2 Jun 1996 02:50:48 GMT
Message-ID: <4oqvi8$[e-mail]>
References: <4ob65j$[e-mail]> <4off1j$[e-mail]> <4ogtgs$[e-mail]> <4oq8qq$[e-mail]>

In article <4oq8qq$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>In article <4ogtgs$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>says...
>>
>>   [e-mail] (miker in Tigard, OR.) wrote:
>>
>>>Neat web page.  Lots of good stuff.
>>>But it takes forever to load... like 2 minutes when the web is
>>>loaded.  Would it be possible to put all the neat graphics in a
>>>sub-page, or at least show the links before posting the graphics so
>>>we don't have to wait?
>>
>>If you're using Netscape, why not set it so it only loads graphics
>>on demand?  That's easier than trying to convince Web page authors
>>to change their designs.
>>
>>73,
>>Jack  WB3U
>

I had some time tonight. I redesigned the main web page for faster download
times. At 21,600 bps, the main page downloaded in 15-20 seconds. The
newsletters, propagation and start/welcome sections have been simplified and
moved to their own pages accessible off the main page. Everything is still
there - just moved to new locations.

The main page has (at the moment) 3 graphics: the Ham Radio Online title banne
r
(highly compressed JPEG at about 8kbytes), a picture of the Yaesu FT-50R (JPEG

compressed at about 3.7 kbpytes) and the background graphics (4 kbytes). The
overall text is about 12 kbytes, plus maybe another misc 2 kbytes (EFF logo, W
A
logo). That works out to about 30 kbytes total for the main page which should
download quickly at 14.4 kbps. As soon as the 12 kbytes of text (hronline.htm)

is downloaded, your browser should allow you to scroll around, even if the
graphics are still coming in. 12 kbytes ought to download in 10 to 20 seconds
depending on your modem speed, server load and Internet traffic.

Please write us at [e-mail] and let us know what you think of the new
design.

Ed, Editor
Kim, copy editing and layout

------------------------
Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
personal email to [e-mail]
Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:14 1996
From: Siegfried Rambaum <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: No-coders! VHF is enough!
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:21:28 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4oiaqi$[e-mail]> <4oj453$[e-mail]> <4ol190$[e-mail]>

> >Commercial interests are dropping HF and turning to VHF/UHF.
> >As time goes by, hams will have more and more HF frequencies
> >and fewer and fewer VHF/UHF frequencies.  Another thread says
> >2m and 70cm is under attack by commercial interests.
>
> Wait till the commercial guys actually realize what they need
> to do to convince the FCC they should have these frequencies.
> Relatively speaking, it would be cheap and simple for them to
> set aside a few hundred KHz and set up local, emergency services,
> as well as educational communications channels.  What reason will
> we have for holding those bands then?

I guess, there will be lots of reasons.... Wasn't it the ham radio
community, who by voluntary action kind of invented what those LEO guys
now want to explore commercially? How about AMSAT claiming some patents
for the feasability of LEO communication on all VHF ham bands? I guess,
the claim can easily be proven by literature as well as by testimonies of
I have no idea how many hundred thousand witnesses....




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:15 1996
From: [e-mail] (Edmund Grimley-Evans)
Newsgroups: sci.lang,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Phonetic alphabets (Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta) (revised)
Date: 4 Jun 1996 16:40:56 GMT
Message-ID: <4p1ouo$[e-mail]>
References: <4nvi09$[e-mail]> <4od75n$[e-mail]>

|> :      Croatian, Serbo-Croat, Romanian, Turkish, Hebrew,
|>                  ???????????
|> What is that?
|> There is no such language any more!!!!!!

Oh no, not again ...


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:16 1996
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4o3j7t$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4oqj1i$[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 04:21:51 GMT

Jim Lowman <[e-mail]> wrote:
> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:

>>Hi again, Ralph,
>>Have you (or your wife) ever heard of the term "top band"? 160 meters has
>>been called that for decades and decades, and there is a thriving email
>>list with that name (50+ emails per day).

>Actually, I've been a ham since 1966, and I never heard the term
>"topband" until I found the mailing list of the same name.  Of course,
>I've never operated on that band, either.

Ah, thank-you Jim! You proved my point very well. Not all hams are
expected to know all of our terminology. That Ralph and his wife
have never heard of the term BA should not prevent a new group
from holding that name.

Now, where's that RFD?!

Jeff KH2PZ/KH6



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:17 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 07:57:18 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4o3j7t$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4on5cq$[e-mail]>

In article <4on5cq$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail](Jim Lowman) wrote:

>In <[e-mail]> Robert Luursema
><[e-mail]> writes:
>>
>>After reading the recent postings about the subject, I still don't know
>>for sure what the term "boatanchors" means.
>>
>>My association with this word  I think of out dated, not properly working
>>equipment, that are only good enough to be used as ballast or dead weight
>>or withg a rope on it as a boat anchor.
>>
>>But if that is true, why spend a news group on it?
>
>For one thing, a lot of hams collect this older equipment, and take
>pride in maintaining/restoring it to operating condition, and actually
>using it on the air.
  While the above is certainly true, it doesn't justify wanting a
newsgroup name that you have to explain.

>>I don't like to see again those posts about my rig is better than yours;
>>yours is dog s??t; toss it overboard ("boatanchor"). Whit this kind of
<snip>
>Perhaps you don't quite understand the concept of a "boatanchor?"
 Once more we see a non-US ham who has problems with the name boatanchor,
and has to have the term explained.

I still think r.r.a.antique should be acceptable. For the most part these
radios are antique, but then so is a Ford Model T. But that doesn's stop
people from using it either.

In closing,  yes Jeff (KH2PZ/KH6) I have owned several 'boatanchors'
through the years;  old military gear,  Drake Twins, and a Drake TR6
(still the best SSB 6meter rig ever made). Also I am a Tech, so what, I've
also been a ham for over 25 years.
I also know a -lot- more then you do about newsgroup creation (I've been
the group proponent for several newsgroups). One of the things I know that
you obviously don't is that I need support, which I wouldn't get by
insulting the people who could help me. Like the Hams involved in
newsgroup creation.
Ralph

--
Ralph Lindberg N7BSN           e-mail to [e-mail] (read daily)
RV and Camping FAQ <http://kendaco.telebyte.net/rlindber/rv/
They call it "Surf'n the Net" 'cause you can wipe out so easy


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:18 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 08:24:23 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4o3j7t$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4on5cq$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey
Herman) wrote:

<snip>
>A group's FAQ is usually the very first article that appears when one
>enters that group for the first time
  Only if the news-reader can be configured in that way and  person has
done so, for most they sort by date order.

(the FAQs are either given a loooong
>expiration date or remain until superceeded by an updated one).
  Only if the news-server is configured to allow the expire header to
override the system expire. None of the systems I work with are set up
that way. Even though that header is a requirement to get into the
*.answers newsgroups.

>The
>first-time reader is supposed to peruse the FAQ prior to posting -
  They all will not, trust me

<snip>
>How many V/UHF-only techs know what homebrew means? HF lends itself
>very well to building but a newly licensed Tech who has never held
>a soldering iron before wouldn't know what homebrew means.
  My you are prejudiced aren't you. Almost all of the serious ones
understand very well. There is not a lot of commercial gear on the upper
bands (2304, 3456, etc)

>And how many V/UHF-only techs who only own an HT to talk on the local
>repeater would know what DX means?
  I would suggest that a higher percentage know what DX means than know
what boat anchor means

>Again (and again!), a particular group is not meant to target *every*
>ham worldwide.
  No, but the name should be clear to most hams. The current evidence is
that while this is true for American hams, it is not true for most foreign
hams. Even more the on the bands, Usenet is international

--
Ralph Lindberg N7BSN           e-mail to [e-mail] (read daily)
RV and Camping FAQ <http://kendaco.telebyte.net/rlindber/rv/
They call it "Surf'n the Net" 'cause you can wipe out so easy


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:19 1996
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4o3j7t$[e-mail]> <4on5cq$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 21:47:54 GMT

Hi again, Ralph,
Have you (or your wife) ever heard of the term "top band"? 160 meters has
been called that for decades and decades, and there is a thriving email list
with that name (50+ emails per day).

We've all got our little niches of interest that others in the hobby are not
even aware of.

73 from hot and humid Hawaii,
Jeff KH2PZ/KH6
(balmy in the mornings and evenings but hot and humid at noon - phooey!)


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:20 1996
From: [e-mail](Jim Lowman)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 2 Jun 1996 20:00:11 GMT
Message-ID: <4osrsb$[e-mail]>
References: <4o3j7t$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4oqir3$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
writes:

>Hi Jim, The topics on the BA list now include *any* communications
>radios with tubes. Originally, the list was just a mail alias devoted
>to the DX-100.

Thanks, Jeff.  If the newsgroup becomes a reality, I'll participate
there.  You can have the mailing list.

73 de Jim - KF6CR



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:21 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins ~ n6fri)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 2 Jun 1996 08:57:42 GMT
Message-ID: <4orl26$[e-mail]>
References: <4o3j7t$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4on5cq$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I still think r.r.a.antique should be acceptable. For the most part these
: radios are antique, but then so is a Ford Model T. But that doesn's stop
: people from using it either.

: I also know a -lot- more then you do about newsgroup creation (I've been
: the group proponent for several newsgroups). One of the things I know that
: you obviously don't is that I need support, which I wouldn't get by
: insulting the people who could help me. Like the Hams involved in
: newsgroup creation.
: Ralph

There is nothing stopping you from proposinging your antique radio group,
a little research and you will find a similar active group in existence.
The rest of us would like to see a boatanchors group preferably under
rec.radio.amateur.

You are insulting a -lot- of us hams and readers, when you point out our
boatanchors are antiques. It doesn't really have to "glow in the dark" to
be a boatanchor. We are all waiting for the new group process to begin,
while you stand outside casting stones.

How do you think homebrew and the resent dx group were created? They are
natural subdivisions of rec.radio.amateur.     rec.homebrew is an other
topic altogether ... but then you knew that.

Bob
--
       Bob Wilkins                   home    [e-mail]
 Berkeley Hills, California          work    [e-mail]
         CM87uv                      play    n6fri@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.noam




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:22 1996
From: [e-mail] (Michael Crestohl)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 4 Jun 1996 12:26:35 -0400
Message-ID: <4p1o3r$[e-mail]>
References: <4on5cq$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4p0jgj$[e-mail]>


I've been reading these posts about the name of this proposed newsgroup
for about a month now and come to the conclusion that its high time for
the Request For Discussion about the newsgroup itself.

The name in my opinion should be rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors.  Enough
people know what a boatanchor is and those who don't will learn fast
enough if they have an interest in older equipment.  I have read various
posts implying that this newsgroup will exclude non-hams and other folks.
This is pure nonsense!  Some of the most significant and informative
postings on the Boatanchors-List coe from people who do not have (or admit
to having) an ham radio license.  It simply isn't an issue!

Let's get off this tired thread and onto new matters, ie: the RFD and the
the CFV!

Michael Crestohl, KH6KD/W1
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:24 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 96 21:15:07 PDT
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Distribution: world

Robert Luursema <[e-mail]> writes:

> After reading the recent postings about the subject, I still don't know
> for sure what the term "boatanchors" means.
>

Boatanchor is an affectionate term for older, usually tube based, out of
production radio equipment. Many of us are interested in the restoration
and use of this kind of equipment.

> My association with this word  I think of out dated, not properly working
> equipment, that are only good enough to be used as ballast or dead weight
> or withg a rope on it as a boat anchor.
>
> But if that is true, why spend a news group on it?

It is one meaning, but not the only one, and certainly not the one used
mostly by hams in the old radio mailing lists.

> I don't like to see again those posts about my rig is better than yours;
> yours is dog s??t; toss it overboard ("boatanchor"). Whit this kind of
> postings we all can do without.

I agree, but that's not the kind of postings we're talking about. What
you see typically are questions about where to get parts for  Heathkit
Apache, or how to adjust your Johnson Viking, or discussions on what
kinds of tubes can be used to replace one you don't have.

If you like, I can send you instructions on how to subscribe to the
"boatanchor" mailing list to see for yourself.

73, Bob, VE7HS



[e-mail]                             __|
Robert Smits                                _/. |\
(VE7HS)                CQ CQ CQ !!!        <   (0)
                                       _   /__    |
                                      ( ) <_______/
                                       \ \/       \__


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:25 1996
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4on5cq$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4oudb0$[e-mail]> <4p1loh$[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 22:21:14 GMT

Jim Lowman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>what that group wants: a forum with a high S/N ratio.  Of course, the
>same thing could have been accomplished with a moderated newsgroup, but
>I hate to see moderation, in most cases.

Hi Jim, The speciality groups such as .homebrew and .antenna are very
noise-free. I believe the proposed speciality group .boatanchors will
also be free of noise.

Jeff KH2PZ/KH6
(Looking for a cheap source of 6LB6 firebottles)


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:26 1996
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Henry van Cleef)
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 05:35:00 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> jmaynard@admin5.h
sc.uth.tmc.edu writes:
>On Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:08:02 GMT, Henry van Cleef <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>That is all very well and good if there is a FAQ to read.  I just
>>checked the news.answers spool at Netcom, which honors the Expires:
>>headers placed in FAQs, and there is nothing I can find with "amateur"
>>in its name.
>
>Your attention is invited to the Guide to the Personal Radio Newsgroups,
>posted under that title to news.answers, rec.ansers, rec.radio.info, all of
>the rec.radio.amateur, and rec.radio.cb newsgroups.
>--

A recheck using "radio" as the search word shows the above-listed FAQ,
as well as the rec.antiques.radio+phono FAQ and a FAQ for
rec.music.christian.  I also see a posting of an "Elmer's resource
guide" that was posted today, which has the word "amateur" in its
title.  A keyword search on the string "FAQ" in this group produces
nothing, although the "Guide to Personal Radio Newsgroups" is on the
Netcom spool, as indicated above.

--
===================================================================
Hank van Cleef                                The Union Institute
        E-mail [e-mail] or [e-mail]
===================================================================



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:27 1996
From: [e-mail] (Michael Crestohl)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 4 Jun 1996 12:26:35 -0400
Message-ID: <4p1o3r$[e-mail]>
References: <4on5cq$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4p0jgj$[e-mail]>


I've been reading these posts about the name of this proposed newsgroup
for about a month now and come to the conclusion that its high time for
the Request For Discussion about the newsgroup itself.

The name in my opinion should be rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors.  Enough
people know what a boatanchor is and those who don't will learn fast
enough if they have an interest in older equipment.  I have read various
posts implying that this newsgroup will exclude non-hams and other folks.
This is pure nonsense!  Some of the most significant and informative
postings on the Boatanchors-List coe from people who do not have (or admit
to having) an ham radio license.  It simply isn't an issue!

Let's get off this tired thread and onto new matters, ie: the RFD and the
the CFV!

Michael Crestohl, KH6KD/W1
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:28 1996
From: [e-mail](Arthur Ashley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Public Service Events Discussion
Date: 4 Jun 1996 03:28:31 GMT
Message-ID: <4p0agv$[e-mail]>


     We're now in the midst of providing radio communications at Public
Service Events. Are there any readers who would like to share their
thoughts and experiences on the planning, logistics and operations of
ham radio participation in these events?
     To learn what is happening in eastern Massachusetts please see:
http://www.zipnet.net/users/kd1sm/pslist.html
                                    ^ numeral one
This Web Page has been a big help to hams in the area who are
recruiting for and are active in Public Service Events.
     Let us provide a means for Public Service Event hams from
everywhere to exchange informaion on this aspect of our hobby.
     Please let me know of your interest in sharing ideas on this.
        Thank you, Arthur, N1NHZ, 73
        Boston Amateur Radio club
        Web Page URL:  http://www.barc.org/barc.html


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:29 1996
From: KD6FYK <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: repeater question
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 01:03:50 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <01bb4f26.381d0c80$384060cc@dell100>

T. Ronald Davis wrote:
>
> I'm new (actually reborn) into the amateur radio hobby.  Just upgraded my
> 15 year old Novice license so I can play on VHF.  I've read a lot and
> listened a lot but heard a comment on the radio last night I can't find
> any reference to.   A fellow was having a problem keying up a repeater
> (and was quickly talking on the tails of another user).  The successful
> user told the other fellow that he need to enter a "PL of 1414".  What the
> heck is a PL???  I understand CTCSS and DTMF but have never seen or heard
> reference to a PL.
>
> Thanks
>
> WB7VSG (old newbie)

pl stands for private line,i think motorola came up with name.
it's the same as ctcss.they probably(sic)said (meant)141.3 hz.
welcome back to hobby(service),73 steve cm88ll


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:30 1996
From: "Ken Bessler (KG0WX)" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: repeater question
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 08:50:02 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <01bb4f26.381d0c80$384060cc@dell100>
To: "T. Ronald Davis" <[e-mail]>

T. Ronald Davis wrote:
>
> I'm new (actually reborn) into the amateur radio hobby.  Just upgraded my
> 15 year old Novice license so I can play on VHF.  I've read a lot and
> listened a lot but heard a comment on the radio last night I can't find
> any reference to.   A fellow was having a problem keying up a repeater
> (and was quickly talking on the tails of another user).  The successful
> user told the other fellow that he need to enter a "PL of 1414".  What the
> heck is a PL???  I understand CTCSS and DTMF but have never seen or heard
> reference to a PL.
>
> Thanks
>
> WB7VSG (old newbie)

"PL" Stands for the trademark sqelch system from motorola - "Private Line".
It is the same as CTCSS or sub audible tones. The number you heard refers to
the standard tone of 141.4hz.

Hmmmm WB7VSG - We'll beatup 7 very small gerbals? :-)
               ^     ^      ^ ^    ^     ^

73 de KG0WX (Kansas got no weather) (?)
--

                                Ken Bessler KG0WX
                                Design Services Company
                                http://www2.southwind.net/~kg0wx
                                Model railroad designing


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:31 1996
From: [e-mail] (Robert C. Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: repeater question
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 06:22:41 GMT
Message-ID: <4oonkf$[e-mail]>
References: <01bb4f26.381d0c80$384060cc@dell100>

"T. Ronald Davis" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I'm new (actually reborn) into the amateur radio hobby.  Just upgraded my
>15 year old Novice license so I can play on VHF.  I've read a lot and
>listened a lot but heard a comment on the radio last night I can't find
>any reference to.   A fellow was having a problem keying up a repeater
>(and was quickly talking on the tails of another user).  The successful
>user told the other fellow that he need to enter a "PL of 1414".  What the
>heck is a PL???  I understand CTCSS and DTMF but have never seen or heard
>reference to a PL.

PL is the same as CTCSS.

________________________________
Regards,

Bob Martin N7JXN        ⌐1995
[e-mail]
Author--"North American Repeater Atlas"-pub. by ARRL
Opinions Expressed Are Mine and Probably Nobody Elses!




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:32 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: repeater question
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 14:42:35 GMT
Message-ID: <4opo7o$[e-mail]>
References: <01bb4f26.381d0c80$384060cc@dell100> <4oonkf$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Robert C. Martin) wrote:

>"T. Ronald Davis" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>I'm new (actually reborn) into the amateur radio hobby.  Just upgraded my
>>15 year old Novice license so I can play on VHF.  I've read a lot and
>>listened a lot but heard a comment on the radio last night I can't find
>>any reference to.   A fellow was having a problem keying up a repeater
>>(and was quickly talking on the tails of another user).  The successful
>>user told the other fellow that he need to enter a "PL of 1414".  What the
>>heck is a PL???  I understand CTCSS and DTMF but have never seen or heard
>>reference to a PL.

>PL is the same as CTCSS.

I think the 'PL' decodes to Private Line and was a commercial system
name used by Motorola or GE or whomever for commercial radios.
Anyway, he meant you need a sub audible tone to key the repeater.
Keeps the rift raft away, you know (and also all the tourist who are
driving thru the neigborhood).   Best reasoning I've heard for it on
a repeater is when another repeater is on the same freq close enuff
for band openings to have people talking on the wrong repeater.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:33 1996
From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: State Dept hostility to hams
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 96 11:35:21 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4ooav0$[e-mail]> <4opio0$[e-mail]>

I am forwarding the message onto John Hennessee at ARRL Hq. Regulatory Affairs
.
Seems like the clowns haven't a clue and act as everyone fears our govenment
does.  A note to your Congressman isn't a bad idea!

73 de Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB
ARRL ENY Section Bulletin Manager/Public Information Coordinator
ARRL Hudson Division Assistant Director
Stillwater, NY
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:35 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jack Harper)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: State Dept hostility to hams
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 96 14:05:49 GMT
Message-ID: <4opio0$[e-mail]>
References: <4ooav0$[e-mail]>

In article <4ooav0$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (bob puharic) wrote:
>I called one of the people identified as being involved in the
>possible reallocation of our freqs today. This was Warren Richards,
>head of IWG-2A. Since I have headed professional committees myself,
>and know that the chair sometimes does not agree with committee
>action, I was cordial, explaining that I was calling to get
>information and express my concern.
>
>This guy was EXTREMELY hostile and arrogant. He said that the ARRL was
>spreading "bullshit" by going "outside of channels" and appealing
>directly to its membership.  I explained that, as a citizen, I had a
>right to express my opinion. His reply was that he wasn't interested
>in the opinions of hams. In addition, he complained about our attempts
>to "intimidate" him, and the number of "goddamn" emails he's received.
>He also said that our frequencies will continue to be considered for
>reallocation.
>
>Im not sure what's going on with the government, but if this is a
>representative section of people who work for US we've got a problem!
>

Why not forward your post to your Senators and congress-person?

I find it difficult to understand why a "public servant" would act as you say
he
did.

Regards to all

Jack, KC0LR

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From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:36 1996
From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: This Week in Amateur Radio #166 (for air through 6/7/96)
Date: Fri, 31 May 96 23:42:12 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Here is a summary of news items covered on edition #166 of
"This Week in Amateur Radio", North America's most up-to-the-minute
audio bulletin service, for the week ending 7-Jun:
-
1.   New Incursion by Commerical Interests Threatens Two Ham Bands
2.   FCC's Vanity Call Sign Program is Finally a Reality
3.   Federal Judge Attacks Enforcement of Communications Decency Act
4.   "Gateway 160 Meter Net Report" with Vern Jackson, WA0RCR
5.   "The RAIN Dial-up" from Chicago
6.   Weekly Propagation Forecast with George Bowen, N2LQS
7.   Two Young Scientists Win Numerous Awards in Satellite Research
8.   Power to Mir Beefed-up with Installation of New Solar Array
9.   Minnesota Ham Wins Zoning Fight with Golf Course
10.  New US Senator Has Ham Connection
11.  "Amateur Radio Newsline" - Edition #981 from Los Angeles
12.  Special Event Station Calendar with George Bowen, N2LQS
-
"This Week in Amateur Radio" is a weekly amateur voice bulletin
service, produced by Community Video Associates, Inc., a New York
State not-for-profit corporation based in Albany, NY.  The program
is heard each Saturday at 8:00 PM (EDT) and carried on VHF/UHF
repeaters throughout North America and on 160 meters at 1860 kHz.
Contact your local amateur radio club or repeater operator if
"This Week in Amateur Radio" is not being heard in your area.
-
NOTICE:  Due to the dissolution of the "Tech Talk Network", the
service WILL NOT be carried on satellite.  Negotiations for the
donation or lease of satellite space continue in earnest.  When a
new agreement is reached, "This Week in Amateur Radio" will return
to satellite air.  Details will be posted as conditions warrant.
All affiliates are requested to contact the producers for further
information.
-
Production and transmission expenses are underwritten by donations
from repeater operators, amateur radio clubs, and individuals.
Further information is available from George Bowen, N2LQS, at
518/283-3665 (e-mail [e-mail]) or Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB,
at 518/664-6809 (e-mail [e-mail]).  You may also reach
them @ WA2UMX.FN32AW.ENY.NY.USA.NA via amateur packet.


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:37 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Threat to amateur radio spectrum
Date: 1 Jun 1996 16:15:55 GMT
Message-ID: <4opqbr$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

In the June '96 issue of Computer Shopper (Page 589), there is an article
about the LEO system. The primary developer is a company called Teledesic,
whose principals include Bill Gates of Microsoft and Craig McCaw (late of
McCaw Cellular) along with technical counsel from Huges Aerospace.

This threat is as real and dangerous as any threats to our allocated spectrum
in the past - probably more so. I am afraid that the big-money will win
this one - we do not have the clout to say "no". The trend is to gobble
up vast radio spectrum for personal communications world-wide, thus leaving
us with greatly reduced areas for rf communication and experimentation.

Unfortunately, the big-money will win here, I believe, unless nothing short
of a miracle saviour appears to put a stop to hasty reasoning by people who
don't have the technical expertise to know what they're doing.

Amateur radio is in big danger here. At least, let your Congresspeople know
your thoughts on this. The ARRL can be of help, but they cannot do it alone.
It is way too big and way too political for just the organization.

Just some thoughts....

Michael P. Miller    N0JAS  Des Moines, IA
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:38 1996
From: "Charles P. Hobbs" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Threat to amateur radio spectrum
Date: 1 Jun 1996 12:11:01 -0700
Message-ID: <4oq4k5$[e-mail]>
References: <4opqbr$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] wrote:
>In the June '96 issue of Computer Shopper (Page 589), there is an article
>about the LEO system. The primary developer is a company called Teledesic,
>whose principals include Bill Gates of Microsoft and Craig McCaw (late of
>McCaw Cellular) along with technical counsel from Huges Aerospace.
>
>This threat is as real and dangerous as any threats to our allocated spectrum
>in the past - probably more so. I am afraid that the big-money will win
>this one - we do not have the clout to say "no". The trend is to gobble
>up vast radio spectrum for personal communications world-wide, thus leaving
>us with greatly reduced areas for rf communication and experimentation.
>

Hmm, since the Ham radio allocations are done on a more-or-less
international basis, can the FCC act unilaterally to reallocate these
bands? What would the Canadians and the Mexican radio authorities
say about it, for example?







From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:39 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: US Operation in Canada?
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 14:11:03 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I am a U.S. No Code Tech.

  Can I operate on a trip through Canada?
If so are there any special requirements I should know before I go?
I would operate on 6m and 2m.

 If I upgrade to a Tech Plus could i operate
also on 10m, 15m, 40m and 80m from Canada?

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:41 1996
From: [e-mail] (Patty Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.dx,uk.radio.amateur
Subject: Re: Wanted: Russian Language QSO Guide
Date: 4 Jun 1996 23:26:38 -0700
Message-ID: <4p39au$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
Ian Wade  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Years ago I had a "Ham's Interpreter" book, containing 1001 "useful"
>phrases for conducting QSOs in several languages. Does such a book still
>exist anywhere, as I want to brush up my Russian?

I have a book called "The Radio Amateur's Conversation Guide" that
included Russian QSO phrases, but I have no idea whether it's still
available. The authors were Jukka Heikinheimo OH1BR and Miika
Heikinheimo OH2BAD. The publisher was Transelectro Oy in Helsinki,
although there was a branch of it in Long Beach, California.

And I have a photocopy of "K3CHP's DX QSL Guide," which also
includes Russian. Again, I have no idea whether it's still available,
but at least that's another lead for you.

Zhelaju vam udachi!


Patty N6BIS

p.s. For those of you who don't know, Ian is the author of the
very helpful "NOSintro" book for folks who want to get into
TCP/IP packet radio.

========================= [e-mail] =========================
        Support "Due South"! If you're a fan, let CBS know ASAP!
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From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:41 1996
From: Pontus Falk <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Welcome
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 02:24:58 +0200
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Welcome to visit http://www.algonet.se/~falk
--
Pontus Falk/SM0RUX
WWW-page at            : http://www.algonet.se/~falk
Public PGP Key found at: http://www.algonet.se/~falk/falk.html


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:42 1996
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Why fools fall in love?
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 11:37:40 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

While on a PBBS KA1VVS was apparently reading my messages and got
very upset and connected directly to me. I have seen this
type before. They get really angry at my views and they figure they
are going to let me have it. Some who can write but not think on their feet
post a response on a BBS but those like KA1VVS who are yellers connect
direct and find they are out matched. They just YELL insults, answer
no questions and when provided with facts and see they are losing the argument
,
just leave. As a teacher of high school students I am used to being challenged
.
So if you want to "get into it" with me, be prepared or I will make you
look like a fool. I can even make you look the fool even if you are right
but cannot debate.

There are a few who will make me look like a fool and that is fine.
I respect intellect. I respect courage and and ability to speak or write.
Hams have intellect but not much else, certainly little courage.

Now I bet KA1VVS will whine on about me on local repeaters where he thinks
he has a group of supporters. Please do VVS, make my day




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 05 20:41:43 1996
From: [e-mail] (bob puharic)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Why the threat is real
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 21:15:37 GMT
Message-ID: <4opjdl$[e-mail]>

A number of hams have expressed skepticism as to whether the proposed
reallocation of our bands is real. Yes it is, and this is why.

First, the State Dept, which is pushing this, has already told me
personally that they dont CARE what our opinion is. When I talked with
Mr warren richards on Friday 5/31 he said our concerns were "bullshit"
and we were a "goddamn" nuisance. Plain enough for you?

Second the US taxpayer already provides giveaways to business in a
number of forms:

1. The US Forest Service builds road at TAXPAYER expense to allow the
timber industry to log in federal lands.

2. The mining industry gets mineral rights for 2 or 3 dollars per acre
for rights worth BILLIONS of dollars due to outmoded homesteading
laws.   The industry has successfully fought changes in this for
years.

3. The cattle industry grazes its cattle on federal lands at a
FRACTION of what it costs on private lands.

The govt has already said they dont give a DAMN about our opinions. We
are only 600,000 hams. The LEO industry has MONEY MONEY MONEY.

Who do you think will win if push comes to shove?



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:06:41 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.dx,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Subject: ! June 96 CD-ROM Available !
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 96 20:37:35 PDT
Message-ID: <NEWTNews.834118688.6173.amsoft@dx4_120>


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From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:06:42 1996
From: [e-mail] (Martin Mueller)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RE:!Packet Radio with 8051
Date: 6 Jun 1996 08:07:01 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4p63j5$[e-mail]>

sri, it should be http://www.tu-bs.de/studenten/akafunk/pr8051/index.html

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From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:06:43 1996
From: [e-mail] (Martin Mueller)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: !Packet Radio with 8051
Date: 5 Jun 1996 08:19:53 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4p3fv9$[e-mail]>


Hi,

 if you are interested in 8051 microcontrollers and packet radio (AX.25),
take a look at http://www.tu-bs.de/studenten/akafunk/pr8051.html. This page
contains some schematics and 8051 code for packet radio experiments.

73s Martin, DL3FCC

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From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:06:47 1996
From: John Collins <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skydiving,rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy,rec.sport.basketball.misc,rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: $$$ Need Money??  READ THIS $$$
Date: 3 Jun 1996 03:15:32 GMT
Message-ID: <4otlck$[e-mail]>
References: <4ontn7$[e-mail]>

These crooked schemes work well for the originator. If you are thinking
of participating you should consider the fact that for the originator to
make $35,000 he/she got a dollar from 35,000 people.  For these 35,000
people to make $35,000 each requires a dollar from over 1 billion people
ie the scheme collapses. If this is going on the internet the number of
people must already be significant. These schemes have been around in
various forms for a long time and only persist because gullible people
continue to be conned.



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:06:48 1996
From: [e-mail] (Seth Breidbart)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skydiving,rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy,rec.sport.basketball.misc,rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: $$$ Need Money??  READ THIS $$$
Date: 4 Jun 1996 10:18:32 -0400
Message-ID: <4p1gjo$[e-mail]>
References: <4ontn7$[e-mail]> <4opfse$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
Andrew Jenks  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hasn't selling blood in the US been illegal since, like, the mid 80'2?

Yes, but selling plasma isn't (because they want people to donate
twice a week, not five times a year).

Followups set appropriately.

Seth


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:06:49 1996
From: [e-mail] (Timothy O'Donnell)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skydiving,rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy,rec.sport.basketball.misc,rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: $$$ Need Money??  READ THIS $$$
Date: 2 Jun 1996 00:23:06 GMT
Message-ID: <4oqmta$[e-mail]>
References: <4ontn7$[e-mail]> <4oojgm$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4oppnc$[e-mail]>

Lee Bell ([e-mail]) wrote:
:
: I've adopted a policy of "don't get mad, get even".  I send messages
: like this back to the originator, five times.  If we all did, pehaps
: posters would get the idea and quit.
:
: Lee

Yeah, I tried that with this asshole, and he had some automatic program
to send an apology letter.  I sent it to him five times, and I got five
very earnest and heartfelt apologies.  What will these geniuses think up
next?


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:06:53 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bill Vanyo)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skydiving,rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy,rec.sport.basketball.misc,rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: $$$ Need Money??  READ THIS $$$
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 21:02:18 GMT
Message-ID: <4oqavu$[e-mail]>
References: <4ontn7$[e-mail]> <4opfse$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Andrew Jenks <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Hasn't selling blood in the US been illegal since, like, the mid 80'2?

Maybe someone should start a blood plasma chain mail pyramid scheme,
for people without 5 bucks to spare.  Send a pint to the guy on the
top of the list...

...then when all them pints come in the mail, just take them down to
the blood bank (they won't ask questions).

>Bill Vanyo wrote:
No, I didn't.  [e-mail] (William Wincer) wrote:
>> >I've been giving plasma to help make ends meet, and I just don't think I c
an
>> >keep that up.

In case anyone who knows me reads this: I'm doing fine.

I did comment on the above statement.
>> From purdue.edu, and selling plasma to make ends meet.




From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:06:54 1996
From: Timothy O'Donnell <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skydiving,rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.basebal
Subject: Re: $$$ Need Money?? READ THIS $$$
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:58:58 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Peter Lisker wrote:

>
>       THIS SCHEME DOES *NOT* BELONG IN THIS NEWGROUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, no shit.


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:06:57 1996
From: Timothy O'Donnell <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skydiving,rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy,rec.sport.basketball.misc,rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: $$$ Need Money?? READ THIS $$$
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 00:08:23 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>


OK, thanks for the tip.

Tim

>
> Well... His admin probably got tired of *that* particular file system
> filling up... As an admin, I'd ask kindly that you please think before
> mailbombing a machine... You aren't hurting the user in question, you're
> cheezing off the system administrator, who in turn is quite capable of
> complaining to *your* admin... Contact the person's system admin...
> Let them take care of the problem...
>
> (There is no "genius" behind it... If you happen to be on a *nix box,
>       type "man vacation"... Works quite well for that sort of thing!)
>
> Enjoy,
>
> -jw
>
>


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:06:58 1996
From: [e-mail] (Alan Gollom)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2m & 70cm gone - then what?
Date: 5 Jun 1996 23:30:24 GMT
Message-ID: <4p55ag$[e-mail]>
References: <4p3298$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article
<[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>On 5 Jun 1996, Alan Gollom wrote:
>
>> I can't believe all you guys getting your shorts in such a knot over
>> such a silly thing.  It's not going to happen.
>
>That's what Germans of the jewish faith thought in Germany, too, some
>sixty years ago ...


Please, I'd hardly compare the misgivings of a few misguided hams
with those who suffered in the holocaust.  And as for any comparison
to this and Nazi Germany, it is like saying the Michigan Militia is really
part of the peace movement!

Alan VE3XAG



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:06:59 1996
From: [e-mail] (Fred McKenzie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 6m OPEN
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 13:23:29 -0400
Distribution: na
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4of881$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Peter A.
Dora) wrote:
> Seeing all these messages about 6m opening up, I would like to
> give it a try. I have a transceiver which will operate on the band
> (IC-706), but I don't have a 6m antenna just yet.

PAD-

I have my IC-706 in the car, with a Hustler HF antenna system attached to
a triple magnet-mount on the roof.  It happens that the antenna mast
resonates on 6 Meters, with no resonator attached. However, I've gotten
good signal reports during recent band openings, using a 10 Meter
resonator and the AT-180 tuner!

At home, I have the Kenwood TS-690S, connected to a 6 Meter half-wave
dipole in the attic.  It is tacked to rafters, and sits at about a 45
degree angle.  It seems to work OK.  A nice beam would be much better, but
that would be hard to fit in the space available.

See you on 50.125 USB.

73, Fred, K4DII
(EL98)


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:00 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 6m OPEN
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 17:13:20 GMT
Message-ID: <4p4iit$[e-mail]>
References: <4of881$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Peter A. Dora) wrote:

>Seeing all these messages about 6m opening up, I would like to
>give it a try. I have a transceiver which will operate on the band
>(IC-706), but I don't have a 6m antenna just yet. Would appreciate
>knowing what sort of antennas were used by the various hams reporting
>this increased 6m activity.


>Regards, PAD

Beams Pete, _big_ beams. But six meters is like ten - when it works,
it really works.  Throw a dipole up in a tree and see what you can
hear.  But remember, the band is open or it ain't.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:01 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Peter A. Dora)
Subject: Re: 6m OPEN
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4of881$[e-mail]>
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:32:15 GMT

Seeing all these messages about 6m opening up, I would like to
give it a try. I have a transceiver which will operate on the band
(IC-706), but I don't have a 6m antenna just yet. Would appreciate
knowing what sort of antennas were used by the various hams reporting
this increased 6m activity.


Regards, PAD

==================================================
Peter A. Dora
Athens, GA -- USA
[e-mail]           KF4IPO
Check out this web site:   http://www.archatl.com/
==================================================


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:02 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: A protest song!  ..
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 13:28:40 GMT
Message-ID: <4pc2i5$[e-mail]>
References: <4p8gej$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>This Band Is Your Band

<song snipped.......>

Amazing Burt. You can still write more than one dislectic sentence.
Your nephew Spew will be so proud of you.  Could you convert that
over to RealAudio so we can all listen to you sing it ?

By the way, are you and Spew planning a march to Washington too ?
Just wondering, I have a freind who is bus driver in Washington and if
you two are going to D.C. it would be so nice to have him run into you
while you were there.

73, Jim KH2D





From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:03 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Addressing international traffic on packet
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 17:08:38 GMT
Message-ID: <4p4ia3$[e-mail]>
References: <4ovkmm$[e-mail]> <4p1tbm$[e-mail]> <4p23o6$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Jim Cummings <[e-mail]> wrote:


>>      You can only send the traffic if the country it is destined to
>>is on the third party list.

>The ITU Radio Regulations do not say that.  The state that

>73 and live better digitally
>Jim, VE3XJ

Jim, All well and good with ITU regs. Trouble is, the ITU didn't
issue anyone in the U.S. a ham license, the FCC did. So we
have to play by thier rules.

73, Jim KH2D






From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:07 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Addressing international traffic on packet
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 00:49:14 GMT
Message-ID: <4p81m4$[e-mail]>
References: <4ovkmm$[e-mail]> <4p1tbm$[e-mail]> <4p23o6$[e-mail]> <4p4ia3$[e-mail]> <4p4uf4$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Todd Little) wrote:

>It still doesn't answer my question of how do I address traffic
>destined for a non-amateur in Australia.  I'm guessing I need to
>check into a traffic net or try an international BBS, although even
>then, it is unclear as to whom the traffic is addressed.

Yes, Todd, I'll agree you can beat the system by giving the traffic
to another country who the U.S. has 3rd party agreements with.
But what I was trying to point out in the first message is that it
has been my experience that once 3rd party traffic gets out of
the U.S., it is very improbable that it will ever get delivered.

As I said in the first message, depends on where it is going. Now I
know you are sending it to Australia. As far as I know, there is no
NTS system for international traffic in place in Australia. Remember,
the NTS system was 'made in the USA'.  The only other country
out here I have seen any NTS messages for was the P.I., and
with no zip codes, all that traffic had to be routed manually.

Again, check with the operator of the BBS you intend to originate
the traffic from - if he doesn't know how to route it then I can
assure you it won't go anywhere.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:07 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dale D. Holloway)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Alinco address & phone #
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 16:15:32 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

On Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:10:15 GMT, [e-mail] (frank
mackenzielamb) wrote:

>
>Hello,
>
>Would anyone have handy the address and phone of Alinco (California
>maybe/).  Need to return 2m mobile for repair.
>
>Mnt tnx & 73
>Frank
>NG1I

Alinco Electronics, Inc.
438 Amapola Ave., Unit 130
Torrance, CA 90501
Telephone [phone]

Check out their web page at www.alinco.com.

73,
Dale, NJ8X


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:08 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (frank mackenzielamb)
Subject: Alinco address & phone #
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:10:15 GMT


Hello,

Would anyone have handy the address and phone of Alinco (California
maybe/).  Need to return 2m mobile for repair.

Mnt tnx & 73
Frank
NG1I


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:09 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Amateur 2 and 3/4 Meter Bands May Be in Jeopardy
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 12:40:46 GMT
Message-ID: <4p6n04$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4onikv$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

"Richard F. Gillette" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Who is "LEO" ?    Can any one post LEO membership?
>--
>Richard F. Gillette PE.,   Board Member, Harper C.C.      \\////
>RF gillette inc. PO Box 1605, Palatine,IL 60078-1605      ( OO )
>[e-mail], v)847-526-2626, f)847-526-2944 =oo00=={}==00oo=

Leo is a friend of mine who is the general manger of NAPA. He has a
wife and two kids. If you meant _what_ is LEO, it's an an abbreviation
for Low Earth Orbit (as in satellite). I don't think LEO has any
members........

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:10 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ken Kuzenski)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Amateur 2 and 3/4 Meter Bands May Be in Jeopardy
Date: 6 Jun 1996 13:51:29 GMT
Message-ID: <4p6np1$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4onikv$[e-mail]> <4oqubp$[e-mail]>

WB3U ([e-mail]) wrote:
:    [e-mail] (James W. KELLEY) wrote:

: >I wonder if the LEO industry guys actually lust for one of the
: >other bands, but have included amatuer bands in order to help their
: >cause in some way.

: More than likely, it's not that sinister.  Most of the folks I've
: worked with who were involved in spectrum acquisition would take

Do you think we offer them a deal?  Instead of 144 and 440, we could
let them have Burt You-Know-Who instead ...   ;->
        --Ken
 _______________________________________________
 Ken Kuzenski    AC4RD   [e-mail]
 [e-mail]   Fidonet: 1:3641/1.1
 _______________________________________________
All disclaimers apply; this is just MHO, not Duke's



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:11 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Amateur Radio/Internet
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 17:08:47 GMT
Message-ID: <4p4iad$[e-mail]>
References: <4i02gn$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4i51n5$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4p4388$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] wrote:

>>Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> If you think ham radio is different now, after starting into it only 8
>>> years ago, you should interact with it from my point of view.  I started
>>> in 1968!
>>>
>>> Seems we have spawned a whole new breed of inconsiderate, uncouth jerks!
>>> Those of you who fit this description, I'm talking to you! If you try
>>> to ruin it for everyone else, then you are just ruining it for yourself!
>>>
>Hi Bill

>I couldn't agree with your comments more!

Come on boys, ham radio didn't 'spawn'  the new breed, *America* did.
Not only is ham radio not the same as when you two started 30 years
ago, the United States of Drug Dealers is not the same either.  Ham
radio and internet are just a reflection of the state of the American
society, sad as it may be.  You don't need internet to find bad
language, go turn on HBO or Cinemax.

Bill, what is there to 'ruin' ?  Ham radio isn't a *profession* for
Christ sake, it's just a *hobby*, like knitting,  stamp collecting, or
any other hobby.  Only difference is that ham radio attracts a lot
more introverts than most hobbies do, you know, basement bound people
that can't look you in the eye when they talk to you.  I think in your
day, if you recall, they were classified into three basic groups -
freaks, jerks, and wierdos,  if I recall correctly.  If you two are
looking to find a group of 'normal' people to share your common
interests, you sure picked the wrong hobby.

Take another swig of Geritol and calm down, you two keep ranting like
this and next thing you know you are gonna pop a blood vessel or ole'
Spew down there in Sunny Florida will come along and start calling you
YE OLD FARTZ. .....

What you see here is not ham radio.  It's internet - the information
stupid highway - the biggest waste of technology since packet radio -
a 'twelve lane super highway gridlocked with garbage trucks' as
someone else put it. Some of us _hams_ are just using it as a form of
Radio Fun until the sunspots get their act back together.  You two
boys do understand what Radio Fun _is_ , don't ya ?????

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:12 1996
From: [e-mail] (Michael Vines)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Any mods for the Standard C508A?
Date: 5 Jun 1996 20:20:05 -0700
Message-ID: <4p5ip5$[e-mail]>

Anyone know of any mods for the Standard C508A dual band handi?

Thanks-



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:13 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARLP022 Propagation de KT7H
Date: 3 Jun 1996 08:44:23 -0400
Message-ID: <$[e-mail]>


SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP022
ARLP022 Propagation de KT7H

ZCZC AP43
QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 22  ARLP022
From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA  May 31, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB PROP ARL ARLP022
ARLP022 Propagation de KT7H

Last week we reported that the solar flux for May 22 was 66.  For
those who keep records, It was actually 66.4.

There were no visible sunspots for the past six days, and solar
flux was down a couple of points.  Expect very quiet conditions to
continue, with very little solar activity.

Around June 8 a slightly rising solar flux should peak just above
70, and then fall below 70 after the middle of June.  The most
disturbed days over the next month are predicted to be around June
9 and 10, but with a predicted A index of only 12, so a major storm
is not expected.  This is from disturbed areas observed during the
last solar rotation coming back into view.

Sunspot Numbers for May 23 through 29 were 12, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 and 0,
with a mean of 1.7.  10.7 cm flux was 67.2, 67.2, 66.9, 66.9, 66.6,
66, and 66.5, with a mean of 66.8.
NNNN
/EX


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:14 1996
From: "Stuart R. Crawford VE6SRC" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Armed Forces Day Special Event Station
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 05:26:35 -0600
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960605052009.21691B-100000@dec>
To: [e-mail]

Amateur Radio Station CF6AFD will be operating on June 9th, 1996 from
Currie Barracks, CFB Calgary, from 1600 UTC to 2200 UTC, operation on
20,15,10, and VHF contest frequencies 50.125, 52.525, 144.200, 146.55,
and 440 FM...If you are planning to visit Armed Forces Day stop by for a
visit, just look for the TH-6 near the Mount Royal College entrance off
Richardson Way SW Calgary...QSL to:

VE6SRC
Stu Crawford
6354 Bowview Rd NW
Calgary, AB, T3B 2H8
Canada

Stuart R. Crawford VE6SRC       [e-mail]
Calgary, Alberta                ve6src@ve6yyc.#sab.ab.can.na
[phone]

STOP BY THE ARLA WEB SITE -- http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~crawfors/arla



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:15 1996
From: [e-mail] (Samuel R. DiSalvo)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL info on 2m/70cm issue
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 17:50:13 GMT
Message-ID: <4p6r7a$[e-mail]>
References: <4oq0ho$[e-mail]> <4p2rj6$[e-mail]>

[e-mail]      (Bill Newkirk) wrote:

>In <4oq0ho$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Samuel R. D
iSalvo) writes:
>>83 and created the entire 800 MHz band. Television allocations have
>>got to be the biggest waste of RF spectrum.

>spoken like someone who can afford cable tv or cable-in-the-sky tv.
>there is benefit in having broadcast stations that do not require the complex
>plant of cable to be received...

Nope, sorry, I don't subscribe to cable.

The Cleveland area only has a hanful of UHF frequencies to choose
from. I was just merely refering to the number of UHF allocations that
exist versus the number of channels actually used. At one time it was
expected that the entire (air) TV dial would be full of channels but
of course, with cable and satellite TV, that  is very improbable now.

Sam - KC8BQP







From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:16 1996
From: [e-mail] (Glenn Tracey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARRL JUNE VHF CONTEST
Date: 6 Jun 1996 04:25:35 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4p5mjv$[e-mail]>

This weekend, June 8-9, 1996 is the ARRL VHF/UHF contest. A group of
"High" band operators will operate 6 meters through 223, SSB, CW and FM
from Wopsononock Mountain in Grid Square FN00, near Altoona, PA. The
elevation is 2847 feet, virtually the highest point toward any where into
the mid-west, east, northeast and south. Callsign used will be: W3YOZ.
The group of operators will have put up three sixty foot towers with
stacks for each band. Work us! we need your contact and, we will have
full time FM for those without sideband equipment. We will be LOUD and
hope to set a new record for contacts and grid squares from FN00. If you
don't know what grid you are in, we will. Please contact us. Operators:
W3YOZ of 160 fame; K3ZZ; K3SKE; KC3EK; KA3EJJ; N3CDY; KE3GB. Allare
experienced DX and weak signal operators. Get on the Technician's bands
this weekend and enjoy the contest. Many Thanks! Glenn Tracey (KC3EK/ BV/
9M/ VS/ JA/DA/HS/HL/6Y)



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:17 1996
From: [e-mail] (Curtis D. Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Attack on our bands =FLAMEBAIT?
Date: 3 Jun 1996 06:04:43 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4okmur$[e-mail]> <4okr9p$[e-mail]> <4oq7u4$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

On 1 Jun 1996 20:07:32 GMT, Ed Mitchell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>The government has new proposals before it right now to find more spectrum to

>auction below 5 GHz. Essentially all Amateur bands at 420 and up are shared
>with the federal government. Any of these bands may potentially be placed on
>the auction block. Don't believe it? Just last year the NTIA (who makes

Well, that's one reason right there to keep it. The radiolocation
service, as I believe the Govt. has on the Uhf band we share, shouldn't
have to relocate, now should it ? After all, that's where radio is
located, and if we move it , we might never find it again.

All kidding aside, the real reason amateur bands are the apple of the
public eye right now is that they're so well kept. Believe it or not, 2
meters cannot even be considered for any type of automatic services.
Something to do with Band memory, and type acceptances, and that stuff.
SO the most we could possibly be looking at is 440-450. Or 430-440, in
actuality, because the bulk of the satellite spectrum is already on
there. Someone mentioned that SS was going to be the preferred mode of
LEO operation, and the presence of SS on the 430-440 bands might be an
improvement, since SS is known to have a cleansing effect. FM carrier
transmissions on the other hand, could be relegated to space in the 33M
band, IMHO, because that's basically where all the other garbage is
spewed up. ISM, the other vehicle locator mobile services, computer hash,
and the like. That's one of the wonderful recent acquisitions we amatuers
have had the good fortune to happen upon, back in the 80's, with all the
real difficulties. Write the FCC, and beg them to give away the 902-928
mhz spectrum to LEO. They really deserve each other.

--
__________________________________________________________________________
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| [e-mail]       ~~~~~~~~~~~~|        [e-mail]         |
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From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:18 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Austin Amateur Radio Suppy
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 10:50:58 GMT
Message-ID: <4p3s62$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4ca1cr$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4p2ro8$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail]      (Bill Newkirk) wrote:

>>Spew Durigan ([e-mail]) wrote:

>>: Florida (and will hopefully be heading back there soon)  No state income
>>: tax there, either.  The tourists pay it all :-)

>you must live in a different florida. no income tax, yes. certainly not tax f
ree tho.
>they get their pound of flesh by nickel and diming you on everything.

Spew doesn't live in a different Florida, he lives in a different
world............




From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:19 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Australian Ham Poll (was: Problem with name of "boatanchors"?)
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 13:03:13 GMT
Message-ID: <4pc12e$[e-mail]>
References: <4o3j7t$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:

>The ratio of YES to NO answers is running about 2 to 1.

>Jeff KH2PZ / KH6

Jeff, the only problem I see with the name of the boatanchors
group is that it's taking too long to figure out what the name
is gonna be, so the discussion remains here.  I'll vote yes to
anything to help you get these guys on the way elsewhere.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:20 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dave Finley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Band Threat -- A Time for Unity
Date: 5 Jun 1996 10:08:04 -0600
Distribution: usa
Message-ID: <4p4bd4$[e-mail]>


By now, we all should realize that the threat to our two most-used
bands is real and serious.  If anyone can seriously propose to take
away 2 meters and 70 centimeters, there is no amateur spectrum
anywhere that is safe from their clutches.  Therefore, the future
of the entire Amateur Radio Service is what is threatened.

In the face of this, let us suspend for the duration our internal
quarrels over code/nocode, ARRL/anti-ARRL, etc.  We need to focus
our energies on fighting this external threat.  If you haven't sent
your email, FAX or letter about this topic, you should do so
immediately.  We should remember that, in spite of any differences
in opinion, we all are hams and we all are threatened.  That fact
overwhelms all others in importance right now.  Let's take all that
energy that otherwise might be spent on posting about other topics
and spend it on letters and emails to the IWG-2A and to Congress.

This episode already has illustrated why we need the ARRL.  We can
disagree over the actions and directions of the League, but the simple
fact remains that, without the ARRL, we wouldn't even know about this
threat.  In this matter, we need the ARRL and the League needs us,
both members and non-members.

So, let's unite to preserve our spectrum and save the internal
squabbles for some later time.  We need the help and energies of
all hams focused on the single purpose of fighting off this threat.
If we lose this one, we'll have a lot less of a hobby to argue about
in the future.

Dave Finley, N1IRZ


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:21 1996
From: [e-mail] (Howard Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BAND THREAT: Sample Letter
Date: 5 Jun 1996 04:11:05 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4p092b$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

followup set

On Tue, 04 Jun 1996 03:02:58 GMT, Arden Eby <[e-mail]> wrote:
 : I have composed the following letter to the appropriate individuals in
...
 : Warren G. Richards, Chair, IWG-2A, Department of State, CIP 2529,
...

Word has it that the chair, Mr Richards, is openly hostile towards the
amateur position.

I recommend writing to your senators, but in your own words.  We
amateurs are, after all, communicators (well, most of us)



--
Howard Goldstein   <[e-mail]>



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:22 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Erik K.Sorgatz)
Subject: Re: beep after tx
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4nu635$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4och01$[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 00:33:47 GMT

In article <4och01$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (WERMUSIC) writ
es:
>
>>Please, can anyone tell me how can I transmit a "beep" after my
>>speech. I have a Yaesu FT-530 HT. Thanks
>
>WALTER RESPONDS >>>>>
>I got a copy on you, fo' roga'!  *BEEP*
>I have my DJ580 send out "YEAH BUDDY" when I unkey.
>10-4?
> Walter Francis  KT4LH  .
><<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>Walt:
>Although you and your "GOOD BUDDIES" may have found HUMOR in your
>response, I suggest that you UNDERSTAND what you READ before you
>demonstrate to all..... (to hell with it you ain't worth the flame)
>
>First,  the CALL and the extension of his name should have given you
>the CLUE that  not being from the U.S. ,  your durogetory(sp)
>references  to Citizens Band may not have the implications (to him)
>you intended ; unless it was to show how very stupid U.S. amateurs are
>in general... and in their knowledge of the world radio community.
>
>Secondly,  perhaps he was needing to trigger some remote device
>actuated by the tone - perhaps an unattended TX/RX switching facility?
>maybe he just wanted to   "ID"   and start his coffee maker while he
>was still driving home....More information from him WOULD have been
>helpful;  However,  Your response only goes to prove there are more
>DREWS and BURT FISHERS every day...  More ready to
>castigate and FLAME than to actually offer assistance and
>understanding of different individuals or cultures.... or the needs of
>someone other than themselves.
>(what a sickening thought)
>
>73
>DE - N7NBB - CAM
>[e-mail]
>
>
 Oh Im sorry...I have to take exception with this! There is NO reason for
a 'roger-beep'...if you cant tell when the other station has unkeyed - you
should find another hobby! The only two reasons those damn things exist is
to 1) Seperate the foolish from their money 2) Annoy those listening, usually
on 11m but Ive found an alarming share of Amateurs who seem to think highly
of their use - probably ex-CBers who havent outgrown the fetish!


[e-mail] (or:[e-mail]) KB6LUY (private email:eks@westwo
rld.com)
TTI 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. Santa Monica, CA  90405
"ANY COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS MADE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF CITICORP, ITS SU
BSIDIARIES
OR AFFILIATES." (Copyright 1995, ARR-permission to store/archive hereby grante
d)


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:23 1996
Newsgroups: alt.retromod,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: binhide:27 large binaries:AR402:@@NCM
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 06:11:38 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Richard E. Depew)
Keywords: ARMM - Automated Retroactive Minimal Moderation

Large binary posts do not belong in unmoderated discussion groups.

I have detected one or more large misplaced binaries in (or
cross-posted from) this newsgroup.

It has been suggested that I use NoCeM notices in place of advisory
cancels.  This is a trial of that suggestion.

If you would like to automatically mark such misplaced binaries as
'read', install NoCeM and use my 'binhide' reports in alt.nocem.misc.

For more information on NoCeM, see URL: http://www.cm.org

The full report can also be found in news.admin.net-abuse.announce and
alt.retromod.  Look for AR402 in the subject, or, if your reader
supports it, use this URL: news:[e-mail]

Please direct public feedback to news.admin.net-abuse.misc and private
feedback to [e-mail].  Thanks.

Best wishes,
Dick
--
Richard E. Depew, Munroe Falls, OH    [e-mail] (home)
It's over, and can't be helped, and that's one consolation, as they
  always say in Turkey, when they cut the wrong man's head off''
  -- Charles Dickens


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:24 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins ~ n6fri)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BOATANCHORS?
Date: 5 Jun 1996 13:23:53 GMT
Message-ID: <4p41p9$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

George L. Hiscox ([e-mail]) wrote:
: What happened to the pending boatanchors news group?  Is the idea still aliv
e?

There is an antique fellow trying to sink the group, but you know even if
he mires the proposal, boatanchors will eventually surface.

Please be patient. The new group process admits to a manpower shortage
and the charter discussion may begin soon. Should prove to be an
interesting read.

Bob
--
       Bob Wilkins                   home    [e-mail]
 Berkeley Hills, California          work    [e-mail]
         CM87uv                      play    n6fri@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.noam




From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:27 1996
From: [e-mail] (Michael Crestohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BOATANCHORS?
Date: 5 Jun 1996 07:21:03 -0400
Message-ID: <4p3qiv$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
George L. Hiscox <[e-mail]> wrote:
>What happened to the pending boatanchors news group?  Is the idea still alive
?
>
>George
Hello George:

YES - the idea is very much alive.  This newsgroup is filled with
discussion of whether or not the "boatanchors"name is acceptable.  I urge
everyone interested in this group to watch this group and participate in
the discussion when the RFD is posted. Most important us to watch for the
CFV )Call For Votes) and vote affirmatively when the time comes.

If you are interested in this subject you might want to consider
subscribing to the BOATANCHORS-LIST.  There is a $12.00 annual
subscription charge (which some people don't agree with) but there is a
free trial period for folks to check it out before having to pony up the
$12.00.

To subscribe:

e-mail to  [e-mail] (may be [e-mail]) I don't
           have the exact info handy


no subject

subscribe boatanchors-list (fname) (lname)

send message

I believe this is the proper syntax to do it.

73,
    .-.                                                               .-.
   /   \           .-.                                 .-.           /   \
  /     \         /   \       .-.     _     .-.       /   \         /     \
-/--Michael Crestohl KH6KD/W1/---\---/-\---/---\-----/-----\[e-mail]-\--
          \     /       \   /     `-'   `-'     \   /       \     /
           \   /         `-'                     `-'         \   /
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From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:28 1996
From: [e-mail] (JJ Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CB bootleggers on 10 meters
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 16:12:20 GMT
Message-ID: <4p9dbs$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4ol09n$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4p3dtj$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Randolph Kielich) wrote:

>       Well, I'm off of H.F. and have been for many years now.  I remember
>hearing CB'ers on the low end of 10 meters before I left.  The best solution
>was what one ham did.  He just loaded up on them big time and sat there.

>       This works sometimes, so I suggest the following.  Have someone
>in the midwest with a lot of space outside but up a real beast of a log
>antenna and a commercial amp. as well i.e. at least 100k or more just
>for this one purpose.  Maybe the old Russian woodpecker is for still
>for sale?  This will stop it real quick.

>       Link by internet and telephone and 'poof' I think your CB'ers will
>drop down below 30 megs. real quick, if their radio's are still working ;-P

Yup.  Fight illegal CBers with illegal AND that ole CB mentality.

===========================================
cheers! jim martin, wk1v
lowell, mass
http://www.shore.net/~jjmartin/jjm.htm



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:29 1996
From: [e-mail] (Kerry Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CMOS Keyer II
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 22:49:30 GMT
Message-ID: <4p7n4r$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Dio <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Looking for the CMOS Keyer II kit.

>I have an address of:
>Idiom Press
>Box 1025
>Geyserville, CA 95441


>Anyone dealt with them?
>Prices?
>Do they have a tele#?

Dio,
    Not sure about the phone number, but they advertise in QST every
month, a little 1/2 by 1" ad, sometimes hard to find...  It's worth
the trouble to find them.  I've been using one for about 3 years and
still love it!  There is a new version with a few improvements and 6
memories instead of 4.  I think it's ten more bux.  Go for it, you'll
like it.  It only took me about an hour to build.
73,
Kerry Miller, WD5ABC




From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:30 1996
From: Jake Brodsky <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CMOS Keyer II
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 11:21:11 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Dio wrote:
>
> Looking for the CMOS Keyer II kit.
> Anyone dealt with them?
> Prices?
> Do they have a tele#?
>

I don't have details on telephone number.  Will e-mail it to you when
I get home.  I built one of their keyers last year.  Works pretty
well.  I think the kit was about $45 and I added a case, speaker
and buttons.

GL ES 73,

DE AB3A
Jake Brodsky
"Beware of the massive impossible!"


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:31 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Mark and Jan Gilmore)
Subject: Condor Connection Home Page On Line
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:32:43 GMT

The Official Condor Connection Home page is on line.  Please check out:

        http://www.loop.com/~condor

The page is under construction, but please feel free to kerchunk all you
want.

        mark  WB6RHQ
--
                                             [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:32 1996
From: "Mike B." <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 07:34:12 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

charles copeland ([e-mail]) wrote:

: They guy was a jerk, and more. I'll tell him so if he wants to continue
: e-mail.
:
: >Oh don't be squeamish, let it all hang out.
:
: Whatever you say *asshole.

Is that the best epithet you can manage?

As ever, in the fraternal spirit, do have another good HF, CW, jerk and
*asshole free day.  :))

73's....Mike.




From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:33 1996
From: "Mike B." <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 96 07:19:31 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

: > >charles copeland ([e-mail]) wrote to me by E-mail so that
: > >nobody else on this group would observe his ISM (I, self and me) :))
:
: > Your original post, and my e-mail reply had no business on newsgroups.

So now you're the self appointed arbiter of subjective material on
newsgroups.

As to the mail, well perhaps you'll think again before posting abusive
messages uninvited in a personal mailbox.

: > You are a jerk, and more that I can't/shouldn't state here.

My dictionary defines a 'jerk' as chiefly U.S. slang meaning 'a stupid or
ignorant person'......interesting.

: > and more than that I can't/shouldn't state here.

Oh don't be squeamish, let it all hang out. No doubt 'Joe Public' will
make up his own mind about your bizarre postings without any prompting
from me!

But as ever, in the fraternal spirit, do have a good HF, CW and 'jerk'
free day.

73's.....Mike



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:34 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Did UPS ever actually use 220 - 222 MHz?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4ov75u$[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:15:52 GMT

David L. Thompson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Robert Casey) wrote:

>>Did UPS actually make use of our ex 220 band?  the part 220 to 222 MHz?
>>Something about ACSSB?

>Whatever the narrow spectrum stuff UPS was going to use they were
>supposed to drop it in favor of readily available FM gear.  Why
>doesn't someone look at the usage (several cities) and see if it is
>being used.  If the usage is light maybe a report to the FCC and ARRL
>might be in order.

Maybe we can buy those two MHz back from them. Okay, everyone send me
$100 (cash only) and I'll bargain with them: 96830-0282 on the envelope
will get your money into my PO box.

Jeff ("Trust me") KH2PZ/KH6



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:35 1996
From: Jake Brodsky <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Did UPS ever actually use 220 - 222 MHz?
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 11:28:11 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4ov75u$[e-mail]> <4p222t$[e-mail]>

Brent Corbin wrote:
>
> David L. Thompson ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : [e-mail] (Robert Casey) wrote:
>
> : >Did UPS actually make use of our ex 220 band?  the part 220 to 222 MHz?
> : >Something about ACSSB?
>
> : Whatever the narrow spectrum stuff UPS was going to use they were
> : supposed to drop it in favor of readily available FM gear.  Why
> : doesn't someone look at the usage (several cities) and see if it is
> : being used.  If the usage is light maybe a report to the FCC and ARRL
> : might be in order.
>
> : Dave K4JRB
>
> Well, about a month or so ago I made a quick pass over the range from
> 220-222 MHz and much to my suprise I found that there is quite a bit
> of activity there in the greater Los Angeles area.
>
> It is definitely narrowband and probably ACSSB (sounds fine on the rather
> crude hack I use to monitor VHF/UHF SSB on a shoestring budget 8*).  There
> are digital control channels (much like you have in trunking systems),
> and in most cases voice transmissions are accompanied by some sort of
> multiplexed data (probably GPS position data).
>
> Actually, if anyone knows the allocation scheme for the band and/or the
> technical specs of the systems operating there, I'd really like to hear
> from 'em  8*)
>
> I also made a quick pass over the 216-220 MHz range - it turns out that
> AMTS is up and running out here, with most of the activity (that I've
> found) between 217-218 MHz, FM at 12.5 KHz steps.

And I'll second his oberservation for the Washington DC area.  A friend
and I got curious a few monthes ago and hooked up a service monitor to
the shop antenna.  We heard several strong trunk digital control channels
but not much activity.  That in itself isn't too surprising since
we were listening after hours.  Didn't look at 216-219 much, so I can't
say what there may have been there...

Jake Brodsky, AB3A
"Beware of the massive impossible!"


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:36 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Did UPS ever actually use 220 - 222 MHz?
Date: 5 Jun 96 14:58:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>


Here is what the FCC says on their WEB page about 220 MHz

220 MHz-RADIO SERVICE

The 220 MHz service is a land mobile radio service that may be used
for either commercial or private purposes.  The service consists of
two hundred 5 kHz paired channels, some of which are licensed on a
national basis and some of which are licensed on a "local" basis.  One
hundred of the two hundred channel pairs are licensed as five-
channel trunked systems on a local basis.  There are few
restrictions as to the type of service that may be provided by these
systems.  Some people view this service as a potential competitor to
PCS, cellular, or wide area SMRs, but the limited channel capacity
will hinder its competitiveness unless license consolidations occur in
the future.

If you have any comments or questions about this service,
please contact Martin Liebman 202/418-1310

This can be found at:
http://www.fcc.gov/wtb/mhzsvce.html

Chris Prewitt WA6OQC
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:37 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Public Notice
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 96 15:56:01 GMT
Message-ID: <4oshr9$[e-mail]>
References: <4o4c19$[e-mail]> <4o791s$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4okvvq$[e-mail]> <4on418$[e-mail]>

   [e-mail](Jim Lowman) wrote:
>[e-mail] (WB3U) writes:

>>Type acceptance of commercially-manufactured VHF/UHF gear would
>>only raise the price.  What the F.C.C. should have done years ago
>>was to A) require that it be impossible to expand the frequency
>>coverage of such equipment without replacement of permanently-
>>installed components, and B) prohibit the sale of transmitting
>>equipment to any person who doesn't possess a license for which
>>the equipment is applicable.

>But, since the Japanese manufacturers design for a world market,
>would it be as simple as the various models of VHF/UHF
>transceivers, depending on the country of import?

It only requires slightly different firmware.  In most equipment,
this is programmed into the ROM that resides in the microprocessor
chip itself.  Changing that chip is not a simple task, so this is
the perfrect means to protect the product from misuse.

>This is a good argument on paper but, followed to an extreme, my
>wife would not have been able to have bought the HTX-202 for my
>birthday last year.

That's life.  She also can't legally buy you a drivers license or
register a gun in your name.  The joy of receiving a surprise
2M rig is insignificant compared to the problems these sales create
in the wrong hands.  What good will it do you to own that rig if
the bands are full of bootleggers?

73,
Jack  WB3U




>
>Good thoughts, though.
>
>73 de Jim - KF6CR
>


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:39 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Erik K.Sorgatz)
Subject: Re: FCC Public Notice
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4o4c19$[e-mail]> <4o791s$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:47:36 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>rigs that are being sold by CB dealers that are blatently intended for illega
l
>overpowered CB and out-of-band operation.  There is no hidden or other
>sinsiter agenda in this.  It was always illegal, but they are apparently now
>saying that they are going to start cracking down.
>
>I've seen this sort of thing in a particular CB catalog that for some
>reason they keep sending me even though I called their 800 number and asked
>them to stop.  There among all the CB stuff, right along with the
>reverberating mikes and devices to make obscene noises on the air, is a line
>of "ham radio transceivers" with all kinds of "upgrade" chips.  It doesn't
>take rocket scientist intellect to figure out what the "upgrade" is all about
.

 Yeah but do you think for ONE MINUTE they're gonna actually DO ANYTHING about
this? Oh sure, they'll bust anyone they find bringing in those "EXPORT" radios
but do you think they'd just flat tell UNIDEN: "Hey! NO MORE! Or we're gonna
yank your permits and business license and put your CEO in jail!"

 Not a fart's chance in a tornado!

 And just who is it that UNIDEN is building those rigs for anyway? After all,
the band from 28.0-29.7MHz is an Amateur Exclusive on a worldwide basis! So
why is it that they build stuff like the "SuperStar" which covers 26-28.5
RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX? Or the "Pluto", with coverage from 26-32??

 It's pretty obvious to me that UNIDEN isnt dealing in good faith! They KNOW
that these radios are going to wind up in the hands of those filthy bootlegger
s!

 In fact I'd bet $5 that were the links of distribution followed up, one might
find that SOMEONE at UNIDEN is in on it! Its just all too ducky to be anything
but "By Design"! The build these radios..."For Export"..uhuh...and a large
percentage of them windup in the US...I wonder how that happens?

 I called Gary Hendrickson at the FCC Laboratory, he was very informative and
said that the FCC would be interested in "Any and all information about the
sellers, importers, etc of these radios.." He also claimed that UNIDEN was
"being cooperative"...(Im a little confused by that, and even Gary couldnt
explain the rational for UNIDEN to be making radios that arent FCC/CEPT/etc
approved ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD!) ..yeah right!

 So if anyone else is interested in helping the FCC regarding this matter, Gar
y
advised we contact:

      Larry Brock
      FCC
      9330 LBJ Freeway
      rm 1170
      Dallas, Tx 75243-3429

 Apparently Mr. Brock is coordinating the effort to dry-up the supply of these
radios and will be only too glad to hear where the stuff is coming from or who
is selling it!

73!

(ps-I'll believe it when they raid the Truckstops of America Cb shops!)


[e-mail] (or:[e-mail]) KB6LUY (private email:eks@westwo
rld.com)
TTI 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. Santa Monica, CA  90405
"ANY COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS MADE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF CITICORP, ITS SU
BSIDIARIES
OR AFFILIATES." (Copyright 1995, ARR-permission to store/archive hereby grante
d)



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:40 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jeff Kilgore)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Feedback on MFJ HF tuners please.
Date: 5 Jun 1996 15:52:18 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4p4afi$[e-mail]>
References: <4olsol$[e-mail]> <4p088q$[e-mail]>

In article <4p088q$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jay Kolin) writes:
|> In article <4olsol$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (G
erald Phillips) says:
|> >
|> >I am thinking about buying an MFJ HF tuner (specifically the 300w one
|> >with dummy load, etc.)  Looking on some feedback about them and any
|> >expereiences (good or bad) folks have had.  Also reccomendations on
|> >other tuners is fine also.  Thanks.
|> >
|> >KE4MBD
|> >Gerald

IMHO, everything made by MFJ that I have ever seen is junk. Poor
quality components, shoddy assembly, and non-existent quality
control. It might seem like a good deal, but it's actually kind
of expensive for junk. Spend a bit more and get something decent.

73,
Jeff, KC1MK


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:41 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Feedback on MFJ HF tuners please.
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 08:09:21 GMT
Message-ID: <4p0uaq$[e-mail]>
References: <4olsol$[e-mail]> <4opqti$[e-mail]> <4os2j1$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Maybe "Robert M. Fekete" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> What kind of company would send rejected parts to a customer???

MFJ.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:42 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Feedback on MFJ HF tuners please.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
From: Bill <[e-mail]>
Date: 6 Jun 96 14:41:37 CDT
References: <4p0uaq$[e-mail]> <4p1orj$[e-mail]>

Dear fellow radio fans,

The best way to get a quality house is to build your own.

Same thing applies to tuners. Common sense rules here.  How could MFJ
possibly sell a GOOD 3kw tuner for the price they are asking? Something
has to give.

The GOOD stuff always seems expensive at first, but cheap sh*t is ALWAYS
just cheap sh*t. Never gets any better and does not improve with age!

BTW, seems like someone from MFJ should jump right in on this thread and
sort of come to their own defence.

73s

Bill Worthington
AA4FM/0
Eudora, Kansas, USA



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:43 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Feedback on MFJ HF tuners please.
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 11:51:27 GMT
Message-ID: <4os2j1$[e-mail]>
References: <4olsol$[e-mail]> <4opqti$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Gerald Phillips) wrote:

>>I am thinking about buying an MFJ HF tuner (specifically the 300w one
>>with dummy load, etc.)  Looking on some feedback about them and any
>>expereiences (good or bad) folks have had.  Also reccomendations on
>>other tuners is fine also.  Thanks.

>>KE4MBD
>>Gerald

I purchased the '3 KW' Differential T-Tuner.  Took me
about two days before the roller inductor melted into
a pile of goo.

But MFJ's service is as good as thier product - after a long
international telephone call I convinced them to send me a
new roller inductor instead of sending back the tuner and they
did - in a nice white box with 'REJECT' written in red on the
outside of the box. The 'new' roller was so warped it wouldn't
roll.

In my opinion, they live up to thier name - Mighty Fine Junk.

73, Jim KH2D





From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:44 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai)
Subject: Re: Field Day, when is it?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:51:51 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> Jeff Hilton <[e-mail]> writes:
-Hi,
-
-Is field day June 22/23 or June 23/24.

It's Saturday June 22nd - Sunday June 23rd

-If it's the 22 and 23rd why did the ARRL move it up a week.

Actually, they didn't move it.  It's always the *FOURTH* weekend in June.
This year, we just happen to have 5 weekends in June...
/mike
--
\|/     Michael L. Ardai        N1IST       [e-mail]     \|/
-*- === Boston Amateur Radio Club:  http://www.barc.org/barc === -*-
/|\       or send "info barc-list" to [e-mail]        /|\


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:44 1996
From: [e-mail] (N4181E)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FINAL REMINDER ABT EN67
Date: 4 Jun 1996 04:34:47 -0400
Message-ID: <4p0sf7$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (N4181E)

N0EDV AND KB9IQR WILL BE OPERATING THE ARRL JUNE VHF QSO PARTY FROM GRID
EN67 JUNE 8,9,10.  6 METER BAND ONLY!  QSL VIA CALLBOOK ADDRESS(ES).
HERE'S YOUR CHANCE FOR A RARE GRID SQUARE!  73 AND GOOD LUCK IN THE
CONTEST.  SCOTT (N0EDV).


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:45 1996
From: Ronald Jaynes <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Freq info
Date: 6 Jun 1996 12:46:17 GMT
Message-ID: <4p6jup$[e-mail]>

I need the frequency for the trenton NC USA  repeater.
                                 Thanks in advance
                                        R Jaynes
                                        KF4IAZ


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:46 1996
From: [e-mail] (Kevin  AstirCS "1U"   KO0B)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: freq-wavelength
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 11:16:54 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <4p9o2u$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Max Froding) wrote:
>check-out the Frequency-Wavelength converter at;
>http://members.aol.com/maxfro/private/tunek25.html
>Work right on the web page!

Just what the world needed, a tricycle on the information
superhighway!

What will the web bring us next,,  a MHz to kHz converter maybe?

-ko0b






From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:47 1996
From: K.S.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FT767 Mods Please
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 17:28:24 GMT
Message-ID: <4p4g74$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Peter Whellum <[e-mail]> wrote:

>G'day,

>I have the 'usual' mods for the Yaesu FT767 - but one I am missing is how to
change
>the main tuning knob rate from 10 khz to 5 khz per revolution - can anyone he
lp?

>Thanks,
>Peter VK5ZPG

TUNING KNOB STEPS

The tuning knob rate is preset by switch S3005 on the Local Unit for
10kHz per revolution(it's the fast position)
To change this to 5kHz per revolution, locate S3005 and move it to the
5kHz position. ( Look in the operating Manual on page 15)
You will find the switch above the two large IC's.

I hope this helps
Greetings from Austria
vy 73
K.S.




From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:48 1996
From: [e-mail] (Kevin  AstirCS "1U"   KO0B)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hellllp - switching power supply assistance asked
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 11:20:47 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <4p73v8$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (John) wrote:

>... i
>would stick well clear of a homemade switcher. The reliability of such
>devices is generally pretty awful.
.....
>Switchers are good for efficiency.But take a look inside a modern
>switcher!- they are complex as hell. Homemade devices just don't
>compare efficiency or reliability wise.
........

This was all true prior to the introduction of  "cookbook" chips by
Linear Technology, National, and Maxim.

Just as the introduction of three terminal regulators greatly
simplified linear regulator design, so have the LT1x7x, LM254x, and
max???. Have taken the black art out of switching regulators.  Each
month brings nesws of another chip intended to make this task easier.

Off-line wsitchers ARE complex, but DC-DC, non-isolated, buck or boost
regulators needn't be.  It is actually much easier to get good
performance and high effiency in a non-isolated regulator.

I am assuming all voltages less than ~ 50V, and power levels < 100W.
Beyontd this rough envelope things get, well, interesting!

DO use one of the recent switcher chips...trying this with discreet
components IS a can of worms!

I've lost count of how many of these I've done.  They won't tolerate
sloppy grounding technique, 60Hz diodes, or undersized, high ESR caps.
But neither is it black magic . (don't tell my boss!)

The last one used outboard MOSFETs and runs at nearly 95% measured
efficiency  converting 5V to 3.3V @ 12A., with full over current
protection , remote voltage sensing, and +/-  .1V regulation for
0-100-0% load transients. It uses 1"x3.5" of board space, and is but
5" tall.  At full output, the surface mounted FETS are still cool
enough to touch.  This design was simply "cookbooked" from a LTC
application note.

>Hope this helps a bit. Maybe someone else could suggest some good
>switcher books for plans etc.

National sells a "Simple Switcher" evaluation kit that comes with PC
board, inductor, and Schottkey diode.  Just add a couple caps and
resistors, and you are in business.

The absolute best resource for this is Linear Technology's AN19
"LT1070 design manual" by Carl Nelson.  He goes over common topologys
& theory, and then gets down to implimenting and troubleshooting
implimentations using  the '1070.  More recent app notes go into more
exotic applications, but AN19 is by far the best starting place.  It
is in the 1990 Linear Applications Handbook.

Unfortunately, LT data, and application books are not cumulative, so
no engineers will be throwing them away every couple of years.

Digi-Key stocks the parts, but I don't know where a hobbiest might lay
hands on the app notes.  Mouser handles J.W.Miller powdered iron
inductors sutable for these switcher (but you lose maybe 3-5% effiency
over molly-permaloy cores)

Finally, in your solar panel application, you need to beware the
negitive input impedance of any switching regulator.  They will all
draw MORE current as PVarray voltage drops, causing PV voltage to drop
more.  This can cause you to "latch up"  or oscillate under  some
conditions.  Soft start ing the regulator will help a lot, but you
gott have enough PV to run the load, plus switcher losses.

You could make a circuit that will pull down the LT1070 Vcomp pin when
array voltage drops below some point, alleviating this problem, at the
expense of reduced output voltage from the regulator. (assumes your
ultimate load does not have switching supply!)

73,ko0b




From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:49 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: hf-rigs new ver?
Date: 3 Jun 1996 04:08:36 -0700
Message-ID: <4ouh3k$[e-mail]>

I'm looking for new version of HF-RIGS, my is a version 5 of 1993.

Thanks  IK1VCF

Modina Fabrizio  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:51 1996
From: [e-mail] (Arden Eby)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Hitler's Willing Executioners
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 13:24:34 GMT
Message-ID: <4p6m7f$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4omir5$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Torsten Leibold) wrote:

>And as you're just in the bookstore --- how about looking for a book
>that's for sure not a bestseller, describing your own Holocaust, where
>Americans were also willing executioners of Franklin Roosevelt in
>persecuting, beating up and interning U.S. citizens coming from Japan.
>This happened all just for "national security" and so was for sure
>properly justified.

>Bye,
>  Tom (an ordinary German and as a ham - a citizen of the world).


While no rational person would blame younger Germans for the
holocaust, this comparison between the NAZI holocaust and Japanese
internment is a little absurd.  While Japanese people were interred,
they were not enslaved.  They were not processed in factories of
death.  Their body parts were not used to make lampshades, knife
handles and soap.  On the other hand, they were allowed to serve in
the military through which they were the most highly decorated group
in the war.  Comparing this to the real holocaust is an insult to Jews
everywhere.

On the other hand, I think that the original spammer's castigation of
the German people, especially the current generation, was unwarranted.
Aside from the NaziÆs I see many positives in German culture.

Arden Eby KI7FG


******************************************************************************
                                 Arden Eby
                      Internet:  [e-mail]
                  Packet Radio:  [e-mail]
     Homepage (Eby's Cyberscroll)  http://www.teleport.com/~arden/
******************************************************************************



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:52 1996
From: "Thomas J. Penton" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hitler's Willing Executioners
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:43:36 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4omir5$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4p6m7f$[e-mail]>

On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Arden Eby wrote:
> While no rational person would blame younger Germans for the
> holocaust, this comparison between the NAZI holocaust and Japanese
> internment is a little absurd.  While Japanese people were interred,
> they were not enslaved.  They were not processed in factories of
> death.  Their body parts were not used to make lampshades, knife
> handles and soap.  On the other hand, they were allowed to serve in
> the military through which they were the most highly decorated group
> in the war.  Comparing this to the real holocaust is an insult to Jews
> everywhere.
>
> On the other hand, I think that the original spammer's castigation of
> the German people, especially the current generation, was unwarranted.
> Aside from the NaziÆs I see many positives in German culture.
>
> Arden Eby KI7FG
>
>
Arden what has got to do with amateur radio?






Thomas J.Penton
[e-mail]
I am a stranger in a
even stranger land



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:52 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hitler's Willing Executioners
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 09:11:56 GMT
Message-ID: <4p8v4m$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4omir5$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4p6m7f$[e-mail]> <4p8b86$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Spew Durigan) wrote:

>Of course not.  Who would want to buy a yellow lampshade?

>-Spew in Sunny Central Florida-
> F0OL/W4

Spew, if dead braincells were dollar bills, you'd be a millionaire.

Is it true that when you were a little kid your mama and daddy
dropped you off in the middle of the Everglades hoping you
wouldn't come back ?  Somebody said you wondered around
in the swamp for three weeks, but finally made it out, and the only
reason you survived is because alligators don't eat shit.

I am starting to wonder if you're not related to Burt. Your mother's
name isn't Ernie is it ?

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:53 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hitler's Willing Executioners
Date: 7 Jun 1996 04:29:58 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4p8b86$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4omir5$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4p6m7f$[e-mail]>

>While Japanese people were interred,
>they were not enslaved.  They were not processed in factories of
>death.  Their body parts were not used to make lampshades, knife
>handles and soap.


Of course not.  Who would want to buy a yellow lampshade?

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:54 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Huh? No More 2m and 70cm? Get Real!!
Date: 3 Jun 1996 15:41:31 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4ov13b$[e-mail]>
References: <4on5s5$[e-mail]> <4oo8n5$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4otole$[e-mail]> <4oubp2$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Jim Kehler) wrote:
>
>[e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:
>
>>Speak for yourself.  I'm sure most of us feel a little more strongly
>>about having expensive equipment suddenly rendered worthless by an act
of
>
>>-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
>> F0OL/W4
>
>Exactly Drew. An execellent example of expensive equipment rendered
>useless: your computer and modem right after you got them.
>
>73, Jim KH2D


As is typical of you, you didn't tell the whole story.  You conveniently
omitted the last couple of words in my post..."the government."  Tell me,
Jim, just how has an act of the government rendered my computer and modem
worthless?

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:56 1996
From: "Ken Bessler (KG0WX)" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Huh? No More 2m and 70cm? Get Real!!
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 08:43:13 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4on5s5$[e-mail]> <4oo8n5$[e-mail]> <4oohmq$[e-mail]>
To: CrACKeD <[e-mail]>

CrACKeD wrote:
>
> : Get real!  Do you really believe that, given the literally MILLIONS of
> : amateur operators currently occupying 2m and 70cm, another service would
> : even be considered for approval to use the frequencies in question.  Even
> : if the unthinkable happened...that these frequencies were taken from
> : amateurs and given over to commercial interests, do you actually think
> : that those same MILLIONS of amateurs will simply say "Oh, too bad", throw
> : their equipment away, and cease operations?  Uh, no...I don't think so.
>
> Exactly.  The whole proposal seems VERY impractical, doesn't it?


What makes this whole thing unbelievable is the equipment issue. When we lost
11m, lots of equipment got retuned for 10m. When we lost 220-222, everyone
just moved to the top of that band. If they take away 2m & 70cm, what can we
do with the equipment? Sell it? To WHOM?

Let's not forget the manufacturers! Are we supposed to believe that Alinco,
Icom, Kenwood, Standard and Yaesu are going to let the government take away
the majority of thier buisness? NOT!

Either this whole issue is some kind of flame bait joke or someone is taking
a statement WAY out of context!


                                73's all
--

                                Ken Bessler KG0WX
                                Design Services Company
                                http://www2.southwind.net/~kg0wx
                                Model railroad designing


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:57 1996
From: "C. Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Huh? No More 2m and 70cm? Get Real!!
Date: 4 Jun 1996 15:29:45 GMT
Message-ID: <4p1kp9$[e-mail]>
References: <4on5s5$[e-mail]> <4oo8n5$[e-mail]> <4opj28$[e-mail]> <4oqbdd$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Robert E. Garland) wrote:

>If memory serves, there was legislation passed not so long ago that
>required the FCC to replace any spectrum we lost.  Now, I know they could
>give us "useless" spectrum, but isn't that what hams have always made
>valuable by enhancing the radio art?

My only thought on this.  Does the government have a loophole in such
legislation?  2 meters may not be as threatened as, say, 70cm.  Why?
Amateur is not the "primary" service between 420 and 450.  If hams got
the boot from this UHF band, would the government say they don't have to
replace it since it was never really ours to begin with?






From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:58 1996
From: [e-mail] (Curtis D. Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Huh? No More 2m and 70cm? Get Real!!
Date: 3 Jun 1996 06:13:34 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4on5s5$[e-mail]> <4oo8n5$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

On Sun, 02 Jun 1996 12:41:06 GMT, Steve King <[e-mail]> wrote:
>It happened for real a few years ago when UPS paid off the FCC to give
>them 220-222 MHz from the amateur band.  Then again, at the time the
>FCC didn't have a mandate to sell of the electromagnetic spectrum to
>balance the budget.  The FCC did it once they can certainly do it
>again if someone crosses their palm with a few pieces of silver.

psssttt. give them 33cm. Take the money and run. 33cm, 902-928.
oooh, that's a big one. 26 megs. yea, that's it.

--
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:07:59 1996
From: [e-mail] (Clinton Peebles)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Huh? No More 2m and 70cm? Get Real!!
Date: Tue,  4 Jun 1996 13:09:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Distribution: world
References: <[e-mail]> <4on5s5$[e-mail]> <4oo8n5


>just moved to the top of that band. If they take away 2m & 70cm, what can we
>do with the equipment? Sell it? To WHOM?

Do you really think the government could care less what you do with your
equipment?  You've already paid them the taxes when you bought it.
They couldn't care less.
     ╔══════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗
     ║    Clinton Peebles  VE7-KNL                          ║
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     ║    Internet: [e-mail]               ║
     ║    Packet Radio: VE7KNL@VE7CW.#SEBC.BC.CAN.NOAM      ║
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From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:00 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Huh? No More 2m and 70cm? Get Real!!
Date: 5 Jun 1996 17:26:21 -0400
Message-ID: <4p4u1t$[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, "James H. Gorka" <[e-mail]>
 w
rites:
>Millions???


yes..millions

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From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:00 1996
From: [e-mail] (Pieter Ibelings)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: I support the LEO and the loss of ham frequencies.
Date: 7 Jun 1996 00:41:51 GMT
Message-ID: <4p7tsf$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4os6e4$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Pieter Ibelings wrote:
>>
>> Good luck K1 OINK!
=
=Awww come on, Pieter! As an extra class ham, you should be able to flame
=Burt's butt better than that! You should see his picture:
=
=        http://www.qrz.com/cgi-bin/qrz_gifs?k1oik.gif
=--
=
=                                Ken Bessler KG0WX


What does being an Extra have anything to do with flaming????


AC4OPieter



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:01 1996
From: Patrick Cook <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: I support the LEO and the loss of ham frequencies.
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:45:28 -0600
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4omir5$[e-mail]>

Hi everyone:

On 31 May 1996, Guy Teague wrote:

> I support putting Mr. Fisher in Low Earth Orbit.

Given what I just read from Burt, I wouldn't mind if the Space Shuttle
were to kindly deposit him on THE MOON!!!  Forget Low Earth Orbit!!!

Patrick, KB0OXD
Denver, CO


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:02 1996
From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I support the LEO and the loss of ham frequencies. - signatur.pce (0/1)
Date: 4 Jun 1996 18:11:19 GMT
Message-ID: <4p1u87$[e-mail]>


Let's all go to the Video, Broadcasting, and Electronics Newsgroup and call ev
erybody in that field a bunch of inept village idiots.
--
                     | Amateur Call Sign: VE3GID
  --| Frank Sved |---| [e-mail]
                     | Phone: [phone]


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:03 1996
From: [e-mail] (JJ Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: I support the LEO and the loss of ham frequencies. - signatur.pce (0/1)
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 16:12:36 GMT
Message-ID: <4p9dcb$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4ono41$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Is "Amatuer" like amateur?
>Is "beleive" like believe?

Is "know" like no?

===========================================
cheers! jim martin, wk1v
lowell, mass
http://www.shore.net/~jjmartin/jjm.htm



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:04 1996
From: Tu and Bob Myers <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ICOM IC-2000H MODIFICATIONS
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:59:40 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4o0ofh$[e-mail]>

Will someone please tell me the source(s) for modifications to the
IC-2000H?

Thanks,

Bob



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:05 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gary Fiber)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ICOM IC-2000H MODIFICATIONS
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 03:57:18 GMT
Message-ID: <4p89a9$[e-mail]>
References: <4o0ofh$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Tu and Bob Myers <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Will someone please tell me the source(s) for modifications to the
>IC-2000H?

>Thanks,

>Bob

Radio / Tech Modifications published by Artsci, Inc at 818-843-4080

Gary



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:06 1996
From: Dick Dillman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: It's *Gotta* Be "Boatanchors"!
Message-ID: <APC&1'0'92ecea44'[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 19:14:51 -0700 (PDT)


I may be a late comer to the debate, but I'd like to weigh in on
the question of a new newsgroup devoted to boatanchors.

I understand the debate centers around the use of the term
"boatanchors" in the newsgroup name.  Perhaps some think the term
is not widely understood or may cause confusion or maybe that
it's simply inappropriate.

To me, the debate is similar to the entry into the dictionary of
a new word that is in fact in common usage.  But such new entries
are what cause the language to grow and evolve.  The fact is that
the term "boatanchor", used to mean a classic piece of
communications equipment, is in common and ever increasing usage.

As to the term being appropriate, it's true that "boatanchor" has
been used as a term of derision for old, outdated, obsolete
equipment that no one would want.  But, much in the way Americans
of the revolution adopted the derisive term "yankee doodle" used
by the British and made it their own, boatanchor enthusiasts have
adopted the term for the gear they love.

This equipment may indeed be old and obsolete.  But plenty of
people want it - just check the increasing prices it demands.
After all, a Deusenberg is an old and obsolete car and a DC-3 is
an old and obsolete plane but, representing as they do the best
in their particular fields, people fork over great sums to
possess restored models of each.

My point is this: the term "boatanchor" is not only acceptable in
polite Usenet company, it is *the* single name that describes
what the newsgroup is about.  It should be, without question in
my opinion, included in the newsgroup name.

Best Regards,

                          Dick Dillman
                     <[e-mail]>
                    Collector of Heavy Metal:
             Harleys, Willys and Radios Over 100lbs.



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:07 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kentucky Ham Busted
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 00:14:24 GMT
Message-ID: <4pagi6$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4p7tga$[e-mail]>

From the ARRL email newsletter of 6/7/96
(see credits at end of post)

SCANNER CHARGE DROPPED AGAINST KENTUCKY TEEN

A judge has dismissed a charge of carrying a scanner that can receive
police frequencies that was filed against a 16-year-old Kentucky ham,
Greg Godsey, KF4BDY. Godsey, of Hopkinsville, Kentucky, was arrested
May 11 by local police, who confiscated his Radio Shack HTX-202
2-meter transceiver. Greg's radio has since been returned to him.
Other charges not specifically related to his Amateur Radio activity
are pending against the youth. They have been continued until later
this month. His parents, Gary and Fredericka Godsey, say Greg has
never been in trouble, and they have hired an attorney.

Greg, who had been the ARES EC for Christian County, Kentucky, and
only became a ham last summer, was detained by Hopkinsville Police May
11. Greg had steadfastly denied the charges, noting that his radio was
not modified and cannot receive or transmit outside of the 2-meter
band. He resigned as EC after his radio was confiscated. ARRL
Regulatory Information Branch Supervisor Norman Bliss, WA1CCQ, says
the Kentucky law exempts equipment possessed by a licensed Amateur
Radio operator that is capable of receiving police frequencies.

===========================================================
The ARRL Letter is published by the American Radio Relay League,
225 Main St, Newington, CT 06111; tel [phone]; fax [phone].
Rodney J.Stafford, KB6ZV, President;
David Sumner, K1ZZ, Executive Vice President.

Electronic edition circulation, Kathy Capodicasa, N1GZO, e-mail
[e-mail].
Editorial, Rick Lindquist, KX4V, e-mail [e-mail].

The purpose of The ARRL Letter is to provide the essential news of
interest to active, organizationally minded radio amateurs faster than
it can be disseminated by our official journal, QST. We strive to be
fast, accurate and readable in our reporting.

Material from The ARRL Letter may be reproduced in whole or in part,
in any form, including photoreproduction and electronic databanks,
provided that credit is given to The ARRL Letter and The American
Radio Relay League.
Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:08 1996
From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kentucky Ham Busted
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 96 23:33:37 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4p7tga$[e-mail]>

What did you miss?
You missed the fact that the charge has been dropped, that's what you missed!

73 de Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB
Hope that's the last we'll hear about the issue.  (Incidently, his radio WAS
returned!)


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:09 1996
From: [e-mail] (Tim Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Kentucky Ham Busted **UPDATE**
Date: 5 Jun 1996 23:29:29 GMT
Message-ID: <4p558p$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Tim Wright)

Hey Gang

Just a quick note with a small update (MAJOR UPDATE EXPETED IN A DAY OR 2)
The Case about the Christian County Ky Ham (and new ARES Director) that
was scheduled for Tuesday June 4th has been postponed until Thursday
June 6th  same time.  It appears that some ARRL big wig wanted to be
  ge there so as I have been informed the Judge moved it until Tomorrow.

On the Officers side of this,  BOTH OFFICERS INVOLVED HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED
from their jobs by the police department.  Seems someone higher up than the
chief pulled some strings.

I have set up an E-Mail jump with my source KI4AT and I have been told that
he will E-Mail me any thing about this case.

Until later:

73

Tim  KD4OVM
e



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:10 1996
From: Tim Robertson KC7QOM <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Keyboard Keyer Questions?
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 12:15:23 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Hello to All,
I am a new Techplus and am interested in sending and recieving CW via my
computer. I would appreciate any and all input concerning just what I
should be looking, where I can get it, and how well it works? Appreciate
your help.
73s
Tim, KC7QOM


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:11 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Lambda ARC News Release
Date: 3 Jun 1996 15:46:44 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4ov1d4$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
>MAY 30, 1996
>
>
>LAMBDA AMATEUR RADIO CLUB ANNOUNCES REVISED WORLD WIDE WEB SITE
>                      AND NEW EMAIL ADDRESS
>
>
>The Lambda Amateur Radio Club, (LARC) is pleased to announce the
>availability of our newly-revised World Wide Web home page. The URL is:
>
>            http://www.netaxs.com/people/skeptic/larc


That address has changed.  You can now find the LAMBDA group at the
following URL:

http://www.hamfags/spread/aids.com


-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:12 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Lambda ARC News Release
Date: 7 Jun 1996 04:26:32 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4p8b1o$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4p47gr$[e-mail]> <4p4j2f$[e-mail]>

>If I was gay, I'd be cautious, too.

Especially knowing that someday I would face eternity in hell as my just
punishment for engaging in all those unnatural acts of perversion and
sodomy over the course of my lifetime.

Yes, if you're a HAMFAG, the "best" is yet to come!

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:12 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Lambda ARC News Release
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 09:18:02 GMT
Message-ID: <4p8vg4$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4p47gr$[e-mail]> <4p4j2f$[e-mail]> <4p8b1o$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Spew Durigan) wrote:

>Especially knowing that someday I would face eternity in hell as my just
>punishment for engaging in all those unnatural acts of perversion and
>sodomy over the course of my lifetime.

>-Spew in Sunny Central Florida-
> F0OL/W4

Spew, You don't have to worry about going to hell. When you die,
they will just send you to the sewage treatment plant with the rest
of the turds.

73, Jim KH2D






From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:13 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Lambda ARC News Release
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 09:37:34 GMT
Message-ID: <4p13g6$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4ov1d4$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Spew Durigan) spewed:

>That address has changed.  You can now find the LAMBDA group at the
>following URL:

>http://www.hamfags/spread/aids.com

>-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
> F0OL/W4

Spew, in case you missed it (I know how easily things go over your
head) this topic was covered last month.  We aren't interested in
any instant replays.  So go back under your rock, we'll call you if we
need you.  By the way, did your mother have any normal children ?

73, Jim KH2D






From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:14 1996
From: "C. Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Lambda ARC News Release
Date: 7 Jun 1996 15:25:21 GMT
Message-ID: <4p9hl1$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4p47gr$[e-mail]> <4p4j2f$[e-mail]> <4p8b1o$[e-mail]> <4p8i1o$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (bob puharic) wrote:
>[e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:
>
>>>If I was gay, I'd be cautious, too.
>
>>Especially knowing that someday I would face eternity in hell as my just
>>punishment for engaging in all those unnatural acts of perversion and
>>sodomy over the course of my lifetime.
>
>>Yes, if you're a HAMFAG, the "best" is yet to come!
>
>>-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
>> KF4DDM
>
>typical christian bigotry.


NO!..  There is nothing Christian about Drew's bigotry.



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:15 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ken Kuzenski)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: LEO email traffic
Date: 6 Jun 1996 20:26:46 GMT
Message-ID: <4p7eu6$[e-mail]>
References: <4p7bcl$fde$[e-mail]>

TERRY AND THE PIRATES ([e-mail]) wrote:
: The FCC is swamped by the buzz of this hornets nest. They have
: setup a mail reflector for comments:

: [e-mail]

: Send comments there  and to your Senator and Congressperson!!!!
: de ab4vj ..

Hi, Terryski, you wascally wabbit!

Already fired off a copy of my msg to that address.  It's sounding
like maybe this is doing some good, eh?
        --73!
                Ken
 _______________________________________________
 Ken Kuzenski    AC4RD   [e-mail]
 [e-mail]   Fidonet: 1:3641/1.1
 _______________________________________________
All disclaimers apply; this is just MHO, not Duke's



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:16 1996
From: [e-mail] (KD1YVJim)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: LEO email traffic
Date: 6 Jun 1996 23:12:52 -0400
Message-ID: <4p86nk$[e-mail]>
References: <4p7bcl$fde$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (KD1YVJim)

No, it's not the effectiveness of the letters that prompted this action.

This just means that you have overflowed the recipients' e-mail inbasket
quotas/limits sufficiently that they want to divert the e-mail traffic
elsewhere.

73 de Jim, KD1YV


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:17 1996
From: cc wynn <wyn>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: LEO's and the loss of ham frequencies.
Date: 2 Jun 1996 01:06:41 GMT
Message-ID: <4oqpf1$[e-mail]>
References: <4ono41$[e-mail]> <4oq781$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Lrware) wrote:
>                                           Calling or writing your
>congress persons might. Gov't bureaucrats hate being called by any
>congressmans office to "explain" what the heck they think they are doing.

I agree with this approach.  Congress has the purse strings so
bureaucrats must listen and discern (so difficult to do in an
election year).

>If the FCC persists in this plan:
>I would also suggest threatning a "class action" suit to recover damages
>for all the money you have invested in equipment you won't be able to use.

I think the FCC may be the wrong target in this campaign.  As some have
noted this LEO thing is probably going to be international which
explains why the state dept.is involved (getting treaties and
international frequency agreements shoved aside, etc.).  I do hope
the ARRL, CRRL, JRRL, RSGB etc. has plenty of money in their lobbying,
litigating war chests. With the richest man in the U.S. supporting LEO,
it may be the mother of all VHF/UHF frequency takeover attempts.

I recently read somewhere when the Radio Astronomy Folks raised a
concern about being blinded by the LEO's they were told very nicely
to take a hike.

>
>PS: The thought of upset hams jamming the band doesn't bother
>me much. If I bought the freq. at auction, I'd just sue the FCC until
>they busted and jailed a few people. Most people with enough expertise
>to "bother" my digital S.S. x-missions would have more sense.
>
I am not so sure about this.  These puppies have to receive also.
What would happen if the LEO belt accidently strayed into my EME
10 KW ERP beam?  -sort of my version of HAARP you know. One good
thing about this is that there are probably 100's of HAMs actively
involved in the LEO project.  Since they are brothers of this same
fraternity would it not stand to reason the  achilles heel of the
LEO's can be known in short order?

As far as busting people, the FCC has been defanged or put on a
short leash lately by the Fed. judiciary and congressional budget
cuts.  Witness the closing of monitoring stations, field offices,
demoralizing personnel cuts and the court reversal of the pirate
fm broadcast action at UCB.  Confiscation of EME equipment, digital
S.S. receivers, etc. would probably be turned over to the BATF and
FBI in the U.S.



73,
Clay N4AOX




From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:18 1996
From: [e-mail] (Hans Brakob)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Leos Update
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 11:21:16 -0100

Amateurs' comments are making an impact!
--
In just one week, more than 1000 comments from amateurs opposing
commercial exploitation of the 2m and 70 cm bands have been received
at the FCC! In a June 5 letter to ARRL Executive Vice President
David Sumner, K1ZZ, FCC's Cecily Holiday confirmed that "all written
and electronic comments received at the Commission to date by Amateur
Radio operators have been included as part of the public record on
WRC-97 proceedings. However, in the interest of efficiency, we have
created a designated FCC office and e-mail site to channel future
WRC-97 comments directly to the WRC-97 Committee Chairs."
--
An FCC Public Notice dated June 6 outlines the new procedures. A copy
of that procedure was posted here yesterday, and is also available
at the ARRL and FCC Web sites.
--
Also on June 5, FCC Industry Advisory Committee Chairman Scott Blake
Harris wrote to Sumner to object to the ARRL's "tactic." Sumner
replied the same day, "As you have been misinformed with respect
to the League's activities, I am pleased to have this opportunity
to set the record straight." We have honored his specific request
"that ARRL ask its members to stop the e-mail/fax deluge directed
at private sector members." However, "we reserve the right to report
in the future on the actions of any participant in the WRC-97
preparatory process. Furthermore, we will continue to urge our
members to monitor the process closely, and to participate as
required to protect the interests of the Amateur and
Amateur-Satellite Services." The complete texts of both letters
are available on the ARRL Web site "http:\\arrl.org".
--
The presses had not yet rolled out page 9 of July QST, so the
editorial planned for that issue has been revised to reflect the
new FCC procedures.
--
Check the ARRL Web site often for further developments.




From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:19 1996
From: cc wynn <wyn>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: LEOS, digital RF and amateur radio
Date: 8 Jun 1996 16:32:45 GMT
Message-ID: <4pc9vd$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Kevin Jessup <[e-mail]> wrote:

A bunch of stuff concerning the future of communications
for the masses which I have no quarrel with.

Cell phone technology had its beginnings back in the
70's with experiments in Chicago, then other metro
areas.  Now cell phone towers are growing like weeds
even in rural and urban areas.  I have one and rely
on it.  World wide communication with a "Dick Tracy"
wrist radio at data rates will be in the future no
doubt.  Also there is no doubt that SS does turn the
classic concept of spectrum conservation on its ear.
However, none of this addresses these questions:

1. What about weak signal work?
2. What about deep space radio astronomy?
3. What about a band of frequencies set aside
   for responsible personal experimentation and
   education, protected from SS noise?
4. What about SETI experiments?
5. What about those who want to experiment on the
   electromagnetic and/or carrier rung of the
   OSI model in the VHF and UHF spectrum?
6. What if someone develops a method of monitoring some
   or all of SS traffic?  Will he face a jail term or
   fine if he monitors?
7. What if someone is doing EME work with an OOK narrow but
   powerful carrier?  Will he be forced to shut down?
8. What are the environmental issues with increased RF
   energy raining down on folks in the VHF/UHF frequencies?

Will they have any rights or protection, or will we
"dumb them down" to conform to the rights of the masses
to have world wide wrist radios with no license required?

Should amateurs establish cellular circuits just because
of the success of commercial cellular technology?  Should
amateurs establish wide band digital SS circuits just because
of the promise of widespread commercial success or should
they be given broad latitude to experiment or develop
education in any direction their imagination leads them?

Should we not be suspicious of any technology that claims
it must have more and more bandwidth and more and more
control of the VHF and UHF electromagnetic spectrum
in order to be successful?  As someone mentioned previously
why not force all commercial TV stations onto cable, freeing
a large portion of the spectrum for LEO use?  Many popular
technolgies got that way because of minimal intrusive impact
on the life styles of the populace while delivering benefits.
LEO may be off to a bad start.

73,
Clay N4AOX




From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:20 1996
From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Letter to 73 Magazine Cancelling Subscription
Date: 3 Jun 1996 21:18:02 -0700
Message-ID: <4p0ddq$[e-mail]>
References: <4oke70$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Bill <[e-mail]> wrote:

: BTW, where is the leading edge these days.  Been trying to find it for a
: few years now.  Seems I misplaced it back in the mid-70s if memory
: serves.

Hi Bill, would that coincide with "incentive" licensing by any
chance? When are we going to wake up and smell the roses?

73, Cecil, KG7BK (W6RCA soon), OOTC



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:21 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Letter to 73 Magazine Cancelling Subscription
Date: 7 Jun 1996 02:17:57 GMT
Message-ID: <4p83gl$[e-mail]>
References: <4oke70$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, Bill <[e-mail].e
du> writes:
>Could it be that they just don't have a lot to write about these days?

I think there's MORE to write about these days...


>As long as we are coming down hard on the publications...have you noticed
>the number of ads?  Mostly for Asian "appliances"!

I know.  That's too bad.


>BTW, where is the leading edge these days.  Been trying to find it for a
>few years now.  Seems I misplaced it back in the mid-70s if memory
>serves.


Oh, there's lots of new stuff not yet out there.  Sync digital direct RF detec
tors
for ultra low level detection, increased use of higher powered DSP's in more
stages of transceivers,  increased use of digital spread spectrum incorporatin
g
station computers, on and on...


You really think things will be the same 280 years from now?

..Peter


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:22 1996
From: [e-mail] (N4181E)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: LM373N Tech Data Needed !
Date: 4 Jun 1996 07:33:33 -0400
Message-ID: <4p16ud$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (N4181E)

I need pinout and application notes for a LM373N AM/FM/SSB Strip IC.  I
ordered a copy when I ordered the chip from Jameco and all I got was a
copy I couldn't read.  If you have a copy, please e-mail me or fax to
608-786-2144.  Thanks, N0EDV.


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:23 1996
From: Chris Davis <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: MN Hamfests?
Date: 4 Jun 1996 12:37:09 GMT
Message-ID: <01bb5212.535e5280$085c09ce@cdavis>

Does anyone know the location of this:
>7:00am to 1pm: TwinsLAN 5th Annual Amateur Radio & Computer Equipment
>Tailgate Swapfest, Mpls., MN

Also, are there any other Hamfests in Mpls/St. Paul before the one in
October?

Thanks!
--
<><--------------------------------------------------------------<><
                          Chris Davis
                        Asst. Engineer
                  KJLY - Christian Radio
                       Blue Earth, MN
<><--------------------------------------------------------------<><



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:24 1996
From: [e-mail] (bob puharic)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy;,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: MS SOCIETY SUPPORTS HAMS
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 11:13:09 GMT
Message-ID: <4pauq1$[e-mail]>

We of the Delaware Lehigh ARC (DLARC) have supported the local MS
Society for their fund raising efforts for the last several yrs.  I
recently asked their local office to send a letter on their letterhead
to our local congressman expressing concern about the possible
reallocation of our bands. They were only too happy to do so...and
VERY quickly responded to our request.

Dont be afraid to talk to groups who've used our services in the
past...many of them are more than willing to help...and there is
strength in numbers....



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:25 1996
From: [e-mail](Randall P. Wagaman 111 )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need: MAR-1
Date: 5 Jun 1996 20:43:38 GMT
Message-ID: <4p4rhq$[e-mail]>

I am trying to put together the 80/160 receiving loop as discribed in
THE DX MAGAZINE, May/June 1996. Tried to order 1 MAR-1 from source
listed and had trouble. If anyone has an extra MAR-1, please let me
know and I would like to purchase it.

Thanks,


Randy, AA6WJ
(reply to [e-mail], please)


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:26 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Need: MARS/CAP MOD FOR IC-775DSP
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 17:08:53 GMT
Message-ID: <4p4iah$[e-mail]>
References: <4p4441$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Paul) wrote:

>If you have the info on this please email.

>--... ...--  -.. .
>
>Paul  KT4DI
>Internet: [e-mail]

Cut out diode D15 on the main board.

Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:27 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: New News Group - rec.radio.amateur.repeater
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 96 17:33:51 PDT
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Distribution: world

[e-mail] (Robert E. Garland) writes:

> >>> "rec.radio.amateur.repeater"
> >[snip]
>
> I'm in favor.  It would be a useful place to swap info on repeater and
> link systems.  My club is in the process of deciding on a new repeater,
> and information from experienced users of various products would be
> useful to us in deciding what to buy.
>

I, too would be in favour of a newsgroup, although you might want to
consider whether the new sub hierarcy should be repeater or, say,
vhf+uhf. Then you could have rec.radio.amateur.vhf+uhf.repeater,
or r.r.a.vhf.repeater, or even r.r.a.vhf

Either way, you will have my support, even if it only gets the repeater
coordination wars out of the other newsgroups....:-) :-)




[e-mail]                             __|
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From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:27 1996
From: [e-mail] (George L. Hiscox)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Numbers stations.....what are they?
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 18:02:49 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Neil Soane <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Does anyone have any thoughts on what are known as 'Numbers stations'?

Check out this Numbers Stations web page:
http://www.access.digex.net/~cps/numbers.html



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:28 1996
From: [e-mail]      (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 5 Jun 1996 03:00:38 GMT
Message-ID: <4p2t8m$[e-mail]>
References: <4on5cq$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4p0jgj$[e-mail]> <4p1o3r$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]    (Bill Newkirk)

In <4p1o3r$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael Crestohl) writes:
>
>The name in my opinion should be rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors.  Enough
>people know what a boatanchor is and those who don't will learn fast

vintage radios - radios people kept in good shape...
boatanchors - radios that were tossed overboard and salvaged...

and besides "boatanchors" is all fun and squishy...i like squishy...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:29 1996
From: [e-mail] (Henry van Cleef)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 5 Jun 1996 01:50:32 -0500
Message-ID: <4p3ano$[e-mail]>
References: <4on5cq$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4p0jgj$[e-mail]>

In article <4p0jgj$[e-mail]>,
Steve MacGregor <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Jene tajpis lastatempe Henry van Cleef:
>| Obviously.  But is it meant to target only those Gnostics who know
>| specific jargon and who have and use amateur radio licenses?
>
>  Yes, just as =all= newsgroups (no exceptions) are targeted only to
>people who are interested in the topic of discussion in that group.
>
>--

Well, you might ask the proponent for the "old time music" group what
he thinks of having an "in" name that other people misinterpret.
--
***********************************************************
Hank van Cleef  [e-mail]  [e-mail]
***********************************************************



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:30 1996
From: [e-mail](Jim Lowman)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 4 Jun 1996 15:46:25 GMT
Message-ID: <4p1loh$[e-mail]>
References: <4on5cq$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4oudb0$[e-mail]>

In <4oudb0$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins ~
n6fri) writes:
[snip]
>I didn't realize that subscribers to the boatanchors list had to pay
for
>the sharing of information. Seems to me the folks on the list would
>welcome a r.r.a.boatanchors newsgroup. Someone could cull the
newsgroup
>for good discussions and repost just as they now import the r.r.swap
>articles of interest.
[snip]

Yeah, can you believe it?  Small wonder that half the subscribers
dropped out after the fee was levied.  To me, it was a matter of
principle, not $$$, as I already support three repeaters, two clubs,
eight QRP societies, ARRL and QCWA.

In all fairness, those who paid the $12 and have posted about the list
here seem to be as happy as the proverbial pig in slop.  This is not a
reflection on the quality of this fine list, but rather a reflection of
what that group wants: a forum with a high S/N ratio.  Of course, the
same thing could have been accomplished with a moderated newsgroup, but
I hate to see moderation, in most cases.

73 de Jim - KF6CR



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:31 1996
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Erik K.Sorgatz)
Subject: Re: Problem with the name of "rec.radio.swap"
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4p1uta$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:02:47 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wr
ites:
>Jim mentions the name "rec.radio.swap" - talk about a misnamed group!
>Swap means to exchange items. There is *very* little exchanging of
>radios taking place on there. Over 95% of the traffic consists of
>FS (for-sale) and WTB (want-to-buy) articles. Buying or selling
>is not equivalent to swapping (unless you include swapping cash
>for a radio).
>
>Jeff KH2PZ / KH6

 GOOD POINTS! And better than 50% of the postings are for used
commercial gear, which is fine with me..since some of that stuff
makes awesome mobile, packet and repeater stations!

 Unfortunately we also see an awful lot of ILLEGAL CB stuff too,
modified radios and splatterbox-amps! GFL trying to keep the
morons out of here...sigh.

 I somehow doubt the collective community would be willing to
change the name to 'rec.radio.forsale'....but that's what I would
favor - with a change to the charter such that:

"..postings for contraban are NOT ACCEPTABLE! This includes any form of
equipment that has been modified, where the intended service requires
that the equipment be type-accepted, or certified for use by the FCC or
it's equivalent agency."

 This would be fair warning to the contraban sellers that using the
newsgroup to sell their ILLEGAL merchandise would be considered a
'hanging-offense'! ;)

73!


[e-mail] (or:[e-mail]) KB6LUY (private email:eks@westwo
rld.com)
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BSIDIARIES
OR AFFILIATES." (Copyright 1995, ARR-permission to store/archive hereby grante
d)


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:32 1996
From: Tom Homewood <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: QSL Service
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 12:58:29 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Does anyone have information on QSL Forwarding services?  I am interested
in those other that the ARRL, which I do know about.

Thanks, Tom K8TH


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:33 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: QSL Service
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 13:28:37 GMT
Message-ID: <4pc2i2$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Tom Homewood <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Does anyone have information on QSL Forwarding services?  I am interested
>in those other that the ARRL, which I do know about.

>Thanks, Tom K8TH

Tom, after having ran the QSL bureau here in Guam for a few years,
seeing what came and from where it came, and where it should have
gone, and after having QSL'ed with about 30,000 stations I worked
myself, I am convince that the only way to QSL is direct to the
station or to his manager.  The ARRL was the worst when it came to
sending cards to Guam that shouldn't have been sent here, but I do
recall a few 'private services' that sent cards here incorrectly and
when I returned them they just sent them here again in the next batch.
It's more expensive to do it direct, but you are wasting your time and
money to do it otherwise.

73, Jim KH2D





From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:34 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Radio Shack Bangers - Try This
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 13:03:02 GMT
Message-ID: <4pc124$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]


Seems to me that the Radio Shack thing has been beat to death.
So I thought I would offer a suggestion to help those of you who
seem to be having problems with Radio Shack's technical advice.

Next time you need a resistor, go to an electronics wholesaler and
pay 3 bucks for one.  The counter guy at the electronics wholesaler
is a virtual wealth of electronics information.  Plus he's got a ton
of books he can look stuff up in for you.  Probably five or six people
there that could build a TV set from scratch.

Please don't ask me why you should pay 3 bucks for a resistor
when you can get three of them at Radio Shack for 19 cents,
because I'll just respond by telling you that the free advice you
get at Radio Shack is worth exactly what you paid for it - nothing.

Let's stop beating Radio Shack to death.  They are just trying to
provide us with what we want - cheap little electronic parts.

If you guys need something to beat to death, pick something that
*deserves* being beat to death, like for instance, Spew Durigan
down there in Sunny Central Florida.  Give Radio Shack a break
and beat on old Spew for a while....

73, Jim KH2D






From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:36 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dean Heinen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack-You've got questions?-We've got BLANK STARES!
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:33:54 LOCAL
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4j1egi$[e-mail]> <4jae28$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Apollo) writes:

{snip}

>One of the greatest I saw was a R.S. salesman trying to explain the purpose o
f
>a squelch control on a CB.  He told the lady that the squelch controlled how
>far she could talk.  Sounded to me more like variable output power, oh well.

>Then he continues on to tell her that she can use her SWR meter to tune her
>antenna by calibrating the meter and switching it from CAL to SWR and it was
>tuned up and ready to go.



When I asked for a VSWR Bridge , the RS salesman said "A Bridge? I've got SWR
Meters, but I don't know about a bridge...."

Dean
N7ZRS




From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:36 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack-You've got questions?-We've got BLANK STARES!
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 13:03:06 GMT
Message-ID: <4pc127$[e-mail]>
References: <4j1egi$[e-mail]> <4jae28$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Dean Heinen) wrote:

>When I asked for a VSWR Bridge , the RS salesman said "A Bridge? I've got SWR

>Meters, but I don't know about a bridge...."

Sounds like a pretty honest answer to me. Would you rather he lied and
pretended he knew what you were talking about ?

Probably 60% of todays hams would give you the same answer, that's
scary, huh.......

73, Jim KH2D







From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:37 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steve Yuroff)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re(2): BAND THREAT: Sample Letter
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 96 22:22:37 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Perhaps what we should consider is that people outside of the ham community
could be even more influential voices than us in supporting to keep our
2M/70cm bands from LEO.  It's obvious that any VHF/UHF active ham wants these
bands to remain as it is.  I suggest that we solicit the groups we assist to
write the FCC on our behalf:  local weather service could demonstrate our need
during Skywarn activites, emergency government to attest to our efforts in
times of need, the local charity group that had hams provide communications
for their fundraising walkathon, and so forth.  Groups that have an indirect
interest in maintaining the ham bands could prove to be a more persuasive
voice than those of us with a personal interest.

Yes, it is more work to persuade somebody else to write on your/our behalf,
but isn't it worth it?

Just my $0.02,
KB8RFU


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From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:38 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Selling Prices of FT-50 HT
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 96 16:18:46 GMT
Message-ID: <4ov7ic$[e-mail]>
References: <4oevmc$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4okk3d$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (Chip) wrote:
>[e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:

>> They're the best because you saved *Ten Bucks* ??  That won't even
>> cover the shipping costs you'll lose if you have a problem with an
>> uncooperative or incompetent dealer after the sale.
>>
>> Geez, I don't even buy tires on this basis.

>  Well Jack,
>
>I had no problems with the unit and in my book $10.00 is ten
>dollars.  And I relly could care less about your friggin tire
>buying  habits.  Have a nice day there bucko....Oh sorry MR. Expert
>on mail order.  Must be a bitch being you.

After my post, I received enough e-mail regarding the dealer you
bought that from to verify everything I said.  Too bad you didn't
spend your money with someone who supports their customers.

Good luck with the rig.  You'll need it if anything goes wrong.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:39 1996
From: [e-mail] (Barry Titmarsh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: SSB Skeds UK 144
Date: 4 Jun 96 08:54:01 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Hi Im trying to get some interest in regular skeds on 2mtrs 144mhz in the UK
I have full power on 144 and 432. The only problem is that the bands are
dead unless its  damm contest. and only in this time do i ever get a
contact. I located in Sheringham North Norfolk coast line England
JO02..  qra

I have a direct sea path to the north north.east east and south.east
I can hear many 144 beacons during flat band condx.  Yet never any one to
have qso with.

So IS there any one in the UK Esp Scotland east coast that want to make
direct regular 144/432 skeds with me with SSB as the main mode.

Thanks  Barry  G8SAU Ex GM8SAU hi hi..


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From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:40 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai)
Subject: Re: Studying for a HAM licence and I have questions.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4p81qg$[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:06:13 GMT

In article <4p81qg$[e-mail]> [e-mail](Hell
 Rider) writes:
-I am studying for a new licence and I have a few questions regarding
-Amateur radio
-1. What is the proper way to identify yourself in CW & Phone after the 10
-minute mark has passed?

All that is really needed is your callsign.  Often people include the callsign
of the person they are talking to (N1ZZZ de N1IST on CW), but it is no
longer needed.  "N1IST for id" is silly; why else give your callsign?
Also, the 10 mins is a maximum time; if there is a good point earlier in a
QSO to ID, that's also fine.

-2. What are the proper steps to take if you are ever on the air when S.O.S.
-or MAYDAY is broadcasted?

If you can help out, then do so.  If others have already already responded,
or you are not in a situation to help (not good enough station, not near
a phone, can't make them out clearly), then just stand by

-3. What are some good HAM magazines and where can you buy them?

Major ham magazines are available at many larger newsstands and bookstores.
These include the ARRL's QST, and also CQ and 73.  More specialized
magazines are harder to find (such as ARRL's NCJ (National Contest Journal)
and QEX (Techinical and experimenter's magazine), or Communications Quarterly)
.
There are also some very good club publications, especially from the
various QRP (low-power operating) clubs.

-4. Can you skip licences?

You still need to take all the written exams, but, if you want, you can
do them all at one sitting.  If you pass a higher-speed CW exam (like
the 20WPM one), you do not have to take the slower ones.  If you only
pass some of the requirements for a license (ie. the 13WPM code, but not
the general written), you will get a certificate good for one year.

73, and good luck with the hobby.
/mike
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From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:41 1996
From: [e-mail] (N4181E)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Tech Data for LM373N ssb/am/fm IC?
Date: 3 Jun 1996 22:25:15 -0400
Message-ID: <4p06qb$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (N4181E)

Need tech data sheet for LM373N....got a sheet from Jameco and can't read
a word of it.  All help appreciated.  Scott.


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:43 1996
From: Andrew Lawlor <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Technician
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 00:02:42 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4p2tel$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

John Mullan wrote:
>
> Andrew Lawlor wrote:
> >
> > Bill Newkirk wrote:
> > >
> > > In <[e-mail]>, Siegf
ried Rambaum <[e-mail]> writes:
> > > >> Also this class includes ALL vhf bands right??
> > > >
> > > >Full operating privileges on 50 MHz and up. Hey, fifty (aka six meter)
is
> > > >something !!!
> > >
> > > a minor point -- the actual rule is amateur bands above 30 MHz.
> > >
> > Okay, Bill, I've seen this start an argument that went on & on... what's t
he point
> > of your point?  What's the difference between 50MHz and up and ham bands a
bove 30MHz?
> > After 10M (28.000-29.700MHz) the next ham band is 6M (50.000-54.000MHz).
So, the first
> > frequency above 30MHz that any ham can use is 50MHz.  Isn't that what was
stated?  :|
> >
> > 73 Andy KC6NMD
> The point is that should a new allocation of frequencies be made
> available to the amateur radio service between 30.0 MHz and 49.999 MHz
> (should I hold my breath? ) it would be available to the Technician
> class licensee. If the Technician license were 50.0 MHz and above that
> allocation would not be usable by the Technician.

And what if they change the rule tomorrow to give Tech's 10M access?
I see what you're saying but I still think its nit-picking.  Dontcha
know?

73... Andy


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:45 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: Bob Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TenTec 6M Kit Issue
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 17:20:31 -0400
References: <4okba4$[e-mail]> <4oq6mu$[e-mail]>

Ed Mitchell wrote:
>
> In article <4okba4$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
> >
> >While at Dayton, I visited the TenTec booth and checked out their
> >6m kit.  This kit provides 8 (I think, maybe 5?) watts FM and they
> >claim it is illegal for them to sell a higher power version like
> >the 2m kit.  The 2m kit has an optional final stage to provide 35W.
> >They quoted me some FCC law prohibiting amplifiers for low power
> >6 meter gear.  Even their literature mentions this "law".
> >
> >MFJ sells a 10w 6m ssb/cw rig that provides 10w and in their ad for
> >this piece, they specifically reccomend usin the Mirage 10W-->150W
> >amp (A-1015-G) or the Mirage 10W-->350W amp (A-1035-G) if you want
> >more power.
> >
> >The folks at the TenTec booth told me that they don't know how Mirage
> >can get away with violating this law.  The TenTec folks told me that
> >since amps in this freq range (50mhz) can be used on 11m it was illegal
> >to sell.
> >
> >I must admit having no experience with 6m but am now thinking of trying
> >this band becuase of the challenge.  Can anyone shed some light on this
> >issue?
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >
> >--
> >/*******************************************************************
> > *                Bob Levine                                       *
> > *                KD1GG/KB1BRM/VK2GYN/7J1AIS                       *
> > *                Manager of Application Engineering               *
> > *                Mercury Computer Systems                         *
> > * ----------------------------------------------------------------*
> > * Opinions expressed in this message are my own personal opinions *
> > * ----------------------------------------------------------------*
> > *          Personal Web Page http://www.ultranet.com/~bob/        *
> > *******************************************************************/
>
> Bob,
> I haven't looked up the FCC regs on this in quite a while but I do remember
> reading that the FCC prohibition on Amateur 10 meter amplifiers also applies
> to 6 meters. As you know, the FCC prohibited 10 meter Amateur amplifiers
> because so many CBers were using them to operate high power and illegal CB
> transmitters. I think there may be an exclusion for 6 meter amps if they
> require at least a certain driver level (like 25 or 50 watts or something) s
o
> that the use of a 5 watt CB transceiver won't get any useful amplification.
>
> In any case, when 6 meters is open, you don't need high power anyway. I live
> near Seattle WA and have worked Salt Lake City, Utah on 5 watts FM using a
> groundplane antenna mounted on my deck. When 6 is open, you only need a few
> watts - that is one of the features that makes 6 meters a lot of fun and
> magical. I've since installed a 5 ele 6 meter beam - this improves reception
> too - something you won't get from a 6 meter amp.
>
> The output of the Ten-Tec 6 meter transverter is nominally about 8 watts,
> depending upon some options you choose and your transmitter input level. Wit
h a
> beam, I think you'll find this more than adequate for 6m sporadic E openings
.
> In 3-5 years when the sunspots return, we might even see F layer propagation
> again. Older 6 meter ops tell me that they used to work Japan on 2 watts dur
ing
> the peak of the sunspot cycle.
>
> Ten-Tec has two 6 meter kits. One is a 14 MHz to 50 MHz SSB/CW mostly
> transverter (yes, you could use FM). It is not designed out of the box to
> operate up in the FM subands. Ten-Tec also sells a 2 meter to 6 meter
> transverter that is designed for FM band operation. Don't remember its power
> output level, though - probably around 5 watts or so.
>
> Ed, KF7VY
>
> ------------------------
> Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
> personal email to [e-mail]
> Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
> http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm

Would the prohibition apply to a transverter that requires an input
frequency other than 11 meters?  I thought the idea was to keep an amp
from being added to a typical CB transceiver.



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:46 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Tor's History Lesson (was: Hitler's Willing Executioners
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 23:14:06 GMT

Torsten Leibold <[e-mail]> wrote:
>And as you're just in the bookstore --- how about looking for a book
>that's for sure not a bestseller, describing your own Holocaust, where
>Americans were also willing executioners of Franklin Roosevelt in
>persecuting, beating up and interning U.S. citizens coming from Japan.
>This happened all just for "national security" and so was for sure
>properly justified.

Now Tor, let's be careful here. First, do you have any idea how those
American civilians residing in Japan were treated by the Japanese
government when war was declared between the two countries? No, of
course you don't. The American government treated the Japanese-
Americans (JAs) *much* better than the Japanese treated American civilians.

Japan was the first government in modern history to invade our soil, and
*yes* there were Japanese spies here in Hawaii providing US ship and air
movements to the Japanese government. The action the US took against
the JAs was justified.

Martial Law was declared here (the military took over all civilian
government  operations); during martial law all civilian rights *have*
to be suspended, and a "shoot first, ask questions later" policy *has*
to be implemented for national security and welfare of all. Can you imagine
being arrested by the military because you violated curfew or allowed
household lights to be seen from outdoors at night? Probably not.

It's fine to be an armchair historian 50 years later but unless you've
actually been bombed by an invading force you'll never understand why
the US had to take the actions it did WRT the JAs.

BTW, reparations are being made to those JAs who were interned.

Jeff KH2PZ / KH6


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:47 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: US Ham Operation: Virgin Is.
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 04:55:25 GMT
Message-ID: <4p342l$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

I am a U.S. No Code Tech.
Can I operate in the U.S. Virgin Islands and/or Puerto Rico
on 6m and 2m the same as I can here on the mainland?

Thanks,

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:47 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: US Ham Operation: Virgin Is.
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 17:08:44 GMT
Message-ID: <4p4ia9$[e-mail]>
References: <4p342l$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] wrote:

>I am a U.S. No Code Tech.
>Can I operate in the U.S. Virgin Islands and/or Puerto Rico
>on 6m and 2m the same as I can here on the mainland?

>Thanks,

>[e-mail]

Yes. And you can also operate in Hawaii, and on Guam and a bunch of
other islands in the Pacific.  You can also operate in China,
Cambodia, and Viet Nam - just don't get caught cuz they might shoot
you....   : )

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:49 1996
From: [e-mail] (KD1YVJim)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: What do the LEOs want to put on MSS
Date: 7 Jun 1996 02:42:13 -0400
Message-ID: <4p8j05$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (KD1YVJim)

In all of the brouhaha, one thing that I haven't yet seen is what service
the Little LEOs plan to put on their proposed satellite mobile land
service band that they eventually get.  (I don't mean to sound cynical,
but money buys bands.  Remember 220 MHz!)

I can't see it being voice - cell-phones seem to have that locked up.
Pagers seem to have as much bandwidth as they need, unless the objective
is to provide a really wide-area paging service.  However, I suspect
something digital in nature.

Does anybody have the inside track on this?  The real answer, not just
random speculation.

But speaking of speculating, I saw in a trade magazine that IBM announced
at COMDEX a new "wireless Internet" device.  Things that make you go
hmmm...

73 de Jim, KD1YV


From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:49 1996
From: [e-mail] (JJ Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: What ham wives really think.
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 15:20:30 GMT
Message-ID: <4p6luv$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4oodoi$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Kristin Rachael Hayward) wrote:

>Burt, you been stealing things from alt.support.divorce again?

>On a more serious note, why do you find it necessary to slam people
>here and in the alt.support.divorce groups?

>I suppose it is one way of getting attention, but it does become
>rather tiresome in the end (like the screams of the little boy on the
>play ground who will only play a game *his* way).

Oooohhhh! Nice Slam!
===========================================
cheers! jim martin, wk1v
lowell, mass
http://www.shore.net/~jjmartin/jjm.htm



From [e-mail] Sat Jun 08 13:08:51 1996
From: [e-mail] (Hans Brakob)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Wrc99 Timetable
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 23:58:32 -0100

Over the past week or so, I have seen a number of comments by
concerned amateurs which suggest that there is an incomplete
understanding of preparations being made by IARU and by ARRL
for the 1999 WRC regarding the issue of Morse testing for HF
amateur licensees, and other matters to be considered at
WRC99.
    -
First, it is very important to note three things.
    -
1 -- Neither of these organizations has reached any decision
on what their respective position will be going into WRC99.
Each of these organizations (and I assume other organizations
such as RAC, RSGB, DARC, JARL, WIA, NZART, etc.) have formed
committees to gather input and produce recommendations.
    -
2 -- These two organizations are not bound to reach the same
decision.
    -
3 -- Both organizations solicit reasoned and thoughtful input
in which you state your ideas in a persuasive and rational
manner.
    -
Here is a quick description of the status of the timetables
for these two committees.
    -
IARU FASC Committee: This committee has issued a Discussion
Paper which has been widely circulated.  It is NOT a position
paper, but rather a paper designed to foster discussion by
the various societies of each of its member nations. This
committee continues to gather input and will issue a report,
probably in July. This report will be discussed (and perhaps
modified) at IARU regional meetings in Tel Aviv (9/96), Beijing
(9/97), and Venezuela (Fall/98).  Only after all this
discussion, probably in January of 1999, will the IARU
Administrative Council release a final position.
    -
ARRL WRC-99 Committee: This committee, chaired by Director
Tod Olson held its initial meeting in April, primarily to plan
an effective way to gather input from US licensees.  In
August, QST will carry a mail-in survey to gather input from
all ARRL members. Also, ARRL will fund a separate professional
survey to gather input.  In September the committee will meet
to review the information received from these two surveys, and
any other comments received from concerned persons.  In November
the committee will write a draft report and recommendations. In
December they will provide the Board with a final report and
recommendations. In January the Board will have their first
opportunity to formally consider the report. There are four
possible results of that consideration. 1) They can adopt the
report as the ARRL official position.  2) They can reject the
report.  3) They can adopt parts and reject parts of the
report.  4) They can decide to keep the issue open for further
study and take no action until some later date.
-
As you can see from the above, both IARU and ARRL are FAR from
having decided on a position relative to HF Morse (and other
matters) for consideration at WRC99. Again, your inputs ARE
solicited by both committees.
 -
73, de Hans, K0HB




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:07:48 1996
From: [e-mail] (David Toste)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ! June 96 CD-ROM Available !*
Date: 10 Jun 1996 07:47:50 GMT
Message-ID: <4pgjv6$[e-mail]>
References: <NEWTNews.834118688.6173.amsoft@dx4_120> <4pa2o9$[e-mail]> <4pf67h$[e-mail]> <4pggn8$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (David Toste)


Look I don't see anything wrong with him announcing that the new version
of the CD is out. HOW MANY times have there been other people posting
messages about things that have nothing to do with ham radio or radio in
general? And I don't see anyone bitching about those posts! How many times
does AMSOFT post the messages about the CD release? 3-4 times ayear. Mean
while I know for a fact that there are 2 or 3 people that post messages
ever 3-4 weeks of the same stuff. And it isn't anything new that we don't
know already. Fine about the posts about the band conditions and all. But
when someone announces that they have software to give out and it's the
same thing week in and week out. I don't see anyone spamming those people.


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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:07:49 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steven L. Finberg)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.info,sci.electronics,ne.forsale,ne.general,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
Subject: ** FLEA at MIT **     Sunday 16 June        Cambridge MA
Date: 12 Jun 1996 13:07:50 GMT
Distribution: na
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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:07:50 1996
From: [e-mail] (Fred Dunstan iii)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 10/10# - where can I get one?
Date: 12 Jun 1996 14:23:02 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4pmjs6$[e-mail]>

I've just received my tech plus and have heard many of the hams on 10
meters exchanging 10/10 numbers.  What are the awards and how can I get
one.

73
Fred
KF4EPE



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:07:51 1996
From: Dave Booth <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10/10# - where can I get one?
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:05:43 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4pmjs6$[e-mail]> <4pprks$[e-mail]>

Jim Martin wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (Fred Dunstan iii) wrote:
>
> >I've just received my tech plus and have heard many of the hams on 10
> >meters exchanging 10/10 numbers.  What are the awards and how can I get
> >one.
>
> I got mine at Walmart, in the stereo section. :)
> ===========================================
> cheers! jim martin, wk1v
> lowell, mass
Boy where did you come up with that line????

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5860

--
Dave Booth


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:07:53 1996
From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second?
Date: 14 Jun 1996 12:39:06 GMT
Message-ID: <4prmha$[e-mail]>
References: <4pq3e4$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)


Phil Sussman ([e-mail]) writes:
> CrACKeD wrote:
>>
>> I picked up a little blurb on the T.V. about radio signals travelling at
>> 186,000 miles per second.  Is this correct for every frequency, every
>> wavelength?  I would guess that the wavelength of a signal would have an
>> effect on how fast that signal travels, but I'm obviously not sure since I'
m
>> posting this question.  Any ideas?
>
> You are confusing wavelength/frequency and the speed of light.
> If you would look at the situation of ripples of water on a pond,
> you are talking about the number of ripples per foot (let us say)
> and NOT how fast those ripples are moving.
>
> So you see the speed is independant of the frequency.
> Hope that helps.
>
> 73 de Phil - KB8LUJ

Yes, and actually, it only appears that those ripples are moving when in
fact they are only going up and down in a circular manner.

Without clouding the issue too too much, 186,000 m/s2 is the UNIVERSAL
CONSTANT.  All forms of energy travel at this speed.  DC electricity has
no frequency and it travels at this speed too.  The only effect on this
constant is the medium in which it travels.  IE: travelling thru a vacuum,
through copper, thru air, etc.

One can really get cosmic (excuse the pun) on this subject but I hope it
answers a few of your questions.

bye.

--
                 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
                 +++     Frank Sved VE3GID      +++
                 +++  [e-mail] +++
                 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:07:57 1996
From: [e-mail] (Greg Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2M mobile freqs
Date: 14 Jun 1996 03:45:01 -0700
Message-ID: <4prfrd$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] wrote:

>I know this has probably been discussed ad infinitum in the past, but
>I missed it. I'm sorry. I apologize in advance for my ignorance and
>stupidity in missing the discussion.  I request your humble indulgence.
>
>
>Here goes.....does anyone really use 144.90/145.00/145.10 simplex when
>mobile?  I've tried it.....got nothing.
>
>XYL and I are headed on a little trip next week, so my question is, should
>I set up those freqs in the 2 meter rig, just leave in .52 and leave it
>at that, or monitor every repeater along the way...(not my idea of the best
>bet...I know how a "outsider" feels when he reports that "W5 something some
>thing listening seven three....to be greeted by the kerchunk of the
>repeater and 40 miles of silence"
>
>Anyway, what's the opinion of the traveling 2 meter crowd this summer..
>five-two, or the other combination of "mobile simplex freqs" I've
>been told about?
>
>Thanks/73 es c u agn    WX3Y
>

Well for one thing you are on the freqs that packet radio usually
resides on. 145.010 is a well known packet freq used just about
everywhere in the states. The ARRL bandplan lists 144.900 to 145.100
as packet radio freqs. Most use 144.91, 145.01, 145.03, 145.05, 145.07
and 145.09 as packet freqs. Hope this helps you out.





From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:07:58 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 2m pirates
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <4pfie8$[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:11:43 GMT

In article <4pfie8$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Derek W
ills) writes:
>Bill Meara <[e-mail]> asked:
>
>>>While the authorities could probably move
>>>us law abiding hams off the band, they'd be hard pressed to move the
>>>pirates (who are already violating the law!)  Seems two meters might be
>>>saved by the pirates.
>
>The LEO people would have way more influence (= money) than the ARRL,
>and you can bet that if they took over 2m and wanted the pirates off
>the band, they would soon be off...  Dunno about internationally, of
>course, but domestic ones would disappear much faster than they do
>now, when it's only us hams who would like them to go away.

As of June 1, the CIB has 257 employees, down from about 370 prior
to closing 6 monitoring stations and 3 field offices. It isn't just
amateurs who can't get the FCC to act, public safety and broadcast
can't get it to act either. And that really isn't because the CIB
staff doesn't want to act, they simply don't have the resources to
do so.  There's too much to monitor, and too few to do it. They
have a continent to cover, with millions of emitters, and they
only have 257 people (including secretaries and desk jockeys)
to do it.

As I've noted here before, I've been called upon by the Atlanta
office to help them track down interference to public safety
communications in the recent past. (The FCC monitoring vans have
spent most of their time parked in Maryland because the operators
were RIFed a couple years ago. It is only rarely that someone can
be broken loose from another task to take one out and hunt for
interference.) Of course now the Atlanta office is shut down, and
the people I worked with have either been transferred or laid off.
The next time the police have interference, they'll have to call
Kansas City and hope someone will eventually be able to come out
and take a look at the problem.

The little LEOs are small potatoes compared to broadcasters. I don't
think they'll have much better luck in getting the FCC to do anything
about a random bunch of signals interfering with their satellites
than broadcasters have had getting the FCC to deal with interference
to their links. We have a chronic problem with our ENG backhaul links
being interfered with that we've been unable to get the FCC to resolve,
and we've already tracked down and identified the (stationary) source
ourselves. It's a dirty air search radar putting spurs on our channel.
Complaints to the agency operating the dirty radar have fallen on
deaf ears. They've got their own budget and manpower problems.

Consider the more difficult problem of finding one out of millions
of transmitters that's keying up randomly, while perhaps being mobile
in motion as well, on a little LEO uplink frequency. That would be the
problem they'd face in finding one jammer among all the consumer TDMA
stations trying to access a little LEO. The FCC used to be good, but
they were never *that* good.

Gary
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es
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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:07:59 1996
From: [e-mail](RF Dawg)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ?Field Day Logging Software?
Date: 11 Jun 1996 22:58:10 GMT
Message-ID: <4pktm2$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

On Jun 11, 1996 14:21:43 in article <?Field Day Logging Software?>,
'Lindsay Collins <[e-mail]>' wrote:


>I've been told that there is a Field Day logging software program
>available, but I have been unable to locate it.  Does this program exist?

>Where is it available?  Thanks.
>--
>Lindsay Collins, NR1N
>[e-mail]
>603/228-9036 (d); 495-3983 (e)
>
Pick from many shareware logging programs including several entitled *Field
Day* at the Oakland repository.

ftp from:

oak.oakland.edu

path is pub/hamradio/arrl/bbs/contest

Regards,

RF Dawg


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:00 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.dx
Subject: Re: A pile up and the "Ugly European"
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:24:09 GMT
Message-ID: <4phljc$[e-mail]>
References: <4pgs48$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Kebsch) wrote:

>Hello,

>when it comes to a discussion about the behavior of some HAM's in a pile up,
>then in the world wide DX community the Europeans do have a very bad image.

That is very true.  But U.S. stations have a bad image also. Maybe not
as bad as Europe, but bad none the less. The behavior of any group of
DX'ers seems to be based on how rare the DX is they are trying to
work.  The more rare the DX, the worse the behavior. There is only one
group of hams that have a good image DX wise, these are the Japanese
hams and that goes rite out the window if the DX is rare.

>There are some questions comming into my mind:

>1. How do you feel and what you are thinking about this very bad image of
>   the Europeans (you: as an European or as a none European)?

I don't think about it a lot, but I usually try and avoid band
openings to Europe.

>2. Do you believe that all Europeans do have this bad image or a few from
>   a limited region in Europe only?

Some regions are much worse than others.  The UK hams seem to be
a bit more polite than the average European.  The Italian operators
are by far the worst in Europe, maybe the worst in the world.

>3. You know, Europe is a continent with many more or less very different
>   countries and each country has an independent national radioclub. Are
>   you able to characterize the HAM's from different European countries,
>   especially their behavior in a pile up?

See above.

>4. What do you believe are the reasons for this bad image?

Bad image stems from bad operating habits.

>5. What can and should you do to change this bad image? (you: as an European
>   or as a none European)?

Not much I can do, but I did put Italy on my deleted country list.
Crowd control via radio is a very difficult operation, even for the
most experienced DX operator.

>6. What can and should the European national radioclubs do to change this
>   bad image?

Teach people manners that apply to ham radio. Unfortunatly it is
difficult to teach people manners that apply to ham radio if they
haven't already learned manners that apply to life.

I'll crosspost this reply to rec.radio.amateur.dx, maybe you will
get some more responses from that group.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:01 1996
From: Richard Choy <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: another uhf band lost?
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:41:34 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

June 11, 1996
Well, it's happening again. The new "Family Radio Service" is on it's
way.
For those of you not familiar with it, the FCC is "giving" away another
part of the radio spectrum to another service. This set of frequencies do
not directly threaten the amateur radio spectrum but will soon destroy
the
commercial UHF spectrum. The frequencies are in the 460 to 470 band that
is
shared with GMRS, police, fire, and the business band.

The proposal and by the time you read this, the new rules will allow
anyone
to use portable handheld FM transceivers without a license and use it for
anything they wish. The power output is "limited" to 1/2 watt.

This service is to provide "short range" voice communications among
"small"
groups of persons.

This service was pushed into existence by Radio Shack, Motorola, and a
few
other electronics industry businesses.

The FCC "claims" that no tone squelch or phone patches will be
authorized.

My questions to the FCC and the industry are as follows:

1) Who will limit the amount of power that one can use? A 40 to 100 watt
"linear" can be bought for less than $60.00 on the amateur radio market.
How many days will it take before they (the users) will figure that out?
Who will regulate and enforce it? Will amateurs be prohibited from
purchasing them for ham operation because of the potential abuse? Try and
buy a 10 meter linear nowadays.

2) 1/2 watt at the top of a mountain can easily reach 20 miles. What kind
of interference to others on the band will be tolerated? Just think of
the
network of "mountain toppers" that will pop up.

3) How long will it take for those using this service to change the
crystals and QSY to the GMRS service? Or even into the public service
band
where the police, fire, and rescue services reside? Once they figure out
the
vast potential of frequencies and coverage, the whole band will be in
jeopardy.

4) What ever happened to the 40 channels in the 11 meter band? Wasn't
that
supposed to be used for short range personal communications? That
industry
boasts that the portable handheld 5 watt CB's will work up to 5 miles!
FCC Docket 95-102 says this new service will provide coverage only a few
city blocks.
Look what happened to that band when regulation and enforcement ceased.
Quite often I scan 28.100 to 28.400 and find a group of kilowatt mobiles
truckin' up the interstate. (If the FCC ever needed revenue, they could
set
up a mass sting and virtually clean up the whole band and make it useful
again. HI.)

5) How long will it be before these bold fellas find a fully synthesized
100 watt mobile with PL and DPL, and go up and down the 450 to 470 mhz
band
to see just how many police repeaters they can key up?

Please read Docket 95-102 or RM-8499 and tell me I have nothing to worry
about.

Further reading:
http://www.acessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm
http://www.fcc.gov/wtb/gmrsfct.html
http://www.fcc.gov/wtb/genmbl.html
http://www.fcc.gov/perrdsrv.html
http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Wireless/News_Releases/nrwl6022.txt


Rick N3HXT at N3HXT.VA.USA.NOAM or email:[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:02 1996
From: Ted F <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: another uhf band lost?
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:13:27 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Robert Casey wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gar
y Coffman) writes:
> >
> >(Sure the ocasional duct will allow a bit of Dxing, and a really
> >well equipped station could work forward scatter, but how many
> >CBers are going to be able to put together that sort of UHF station?
> >What's really needed at UHF is repeaters, and they aren't allowed here,
> >and it will be easy to enforce that particular prohibition. Besides,
> >if people want the advantage of repeaters, nothing stops them from going
> >to the GMRS service instead of this one. It's not like either requires a
> >test or anything.)
> >
> Hell, the no-code test is all you need to do all that above playing
> around (all legal if you stay inside the ham bands and stick to band
> plans).  Any pirate with enough knowledge to do some serious hardware
> hacking should have no problem taking the no-code test and then be legal, an
d
> have a ready supply of other people to talk to on the air.  Transmitting
> where noone can hear you is rather pointless.  As pointed out, UHF is
> almost all line-of-sight, and there probably won't be enopugh other
> pirates in your coverage area to make things interesting.
>
> >This new service isn't really significantly different from the 49 MHz
> >license free band for kiddie HTs, except that the HTs will look a bit
> >more grown up, like ham HTs. There hasn't been a rash of linear equipped
> >49 MHz equipment, and there's unlikely to be much in this new service
> >either, and for the same reason. If you can't "shoot skip", there's
> >little reason to have a big gun. Probably most of the people who will
> >be attracted to this service are people who have been misusing land
> >mobile itenerant channel HTs to accomplish similar ends by using them
> >as defacto unlicensed radios, IE hunters, hikers, etc.
> >
> >Gary
> >--

for the most part, the radios are supposed to be VERY hard to hack.
They are supposed to have the antennas PERMENANTLY connected and be
crystal controlled.  The antennas are to be inefficiant and the radios
will have a maximum power of .5 watts.  I don't see how these readios
will cause much interferiance to anyone.
Ted F.
N3SQY


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:06 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Mike Lazaroff)
Subject: Re: Are  Radio Shack extended warrenties transferable??
References: <[e-mail]> <4p9de6$[e-mail]>
Message-ID: <4p1qcl$[e-mail]>
Date: 10 Jun 96 06:03:42 GMT

In article <4p9de6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
>In <[e-mail]>, Dave Hand <[e-mail]>
writes:
>>I just bought a HTX212 second hand. Tt's previous owner bought the
>>5 yr extended warenty. Does it still apply to (me) the new owner???
>>
>>Dave hand WB4HYP
>>[e-mail]
>
>Yes, in fact it is...  You need one of 2 things though...  Either the
original
>sales receipt (or a copy), or one of those little silver stickers
stuck somewhere
>on the rig (usually under the belt-clip).
>
>If not there really isn't much that can be done...  You might sweet
talk
>a salesperson to calling the TSP support center and seeing if they can
>look it up by serial number.  But good luck, that usually isn't done
either
>because the sales staff is too busy (before you get angry, the shack
isn't
>in any way required to prove the warranty, it's up to the buyer but
they will
>in most cases if the store isn't packed with people and you ask
nicely.)
>
>I wish you luck...
>    Steve W.
>      N2RWE

The warranty is transferable; it goes with the product regardless of
how many times it changes owners.  If your local store is "too busy" to
look it up, e-mail me the previous owner's name and zip code (that's
how the warranties are filed) if you don't have the original receipt.
I'll then call the center, get you the warranty number and expiration
date, and e-mail it back to you.

73, Mike KB3RG
Manager, RadioShack 01-4118
New Castle, PA

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:09 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARLP023 Propagation de KT7H
Date: 7 Jun 1996 19:05:37 -0400
Message-ID: <$[e-mail]>


SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP023
ARLP023 Propagation de KT7H

ZCZC AP44
QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 23  ARLP023
From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA  June 7, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB PROP ARL ARLP023
ARLP023 Propagation de KT7H

There is very little solar activity to report.  There was an 8 day
run of no visible sunspots at the end of May, but activity has
picked up slightly since then.  Average solar flux is up about two
points from last week's bulletin.

Solar flux should peak in the short term around 72 on June 9 and
10, and then drop down below 70 after June 14.  It isn't expected
to rise above 70 until after the first of next month.  Geomagnetic
conditions are quiet, but some moderate unsettled conditions are
forecast for June 9 thru 13 and 16 and 17.

Propagation on the upper bands remains depressed.  As we move
toward Summer 160 and 80 meters are getting noisier.  Check 30 and
40 meters during the night for worldwide propagation and 20 meters
during the day.

Sunspot Numbers for May 30 through June 5 were 0, 0, 11, 11, 13, 23
and 28, with a mean of 12.3.  10.7 cm flux was 66.5, 68, 68.5,
68.2, 69.1, 69.2, and 70.7, with a mean of 68.6.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:10 1996
From: [e-mail](RF Dawg)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: arrl website
Date: 7 Jun 1996 00:51:39 GMT
Message-ID: <4p7uer$[e-mail]>
References: <4p7o1g$[e-mail]>

On Jun 06, 1996 22:56:05 in article <arrl website>, '[e-mail] (ray)'
wrote:


>Where can the arrl website be reached???
>

The ARRL Home Page is at:

http://www.arrl.org/index.html


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:11 1996
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Australian Ham Poll (was: Problem with name of "boatanchors"?)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4o3j7t$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 22:57:40 GMT

Dick Wisan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:

>> Hello Amateur Radio Friends In Australia,

>Sounds like a good start, but why particularly Australia?  How are
>Finnish or Thai hams on "boatanchor"?  Evidence from people for whom
>English is a 2nd language would be apposite.

Hi Dick,
Well, if you had checked the original header you would have seen that
I crossposted this informal poll to the Australian newsgroup
                     aus.radio.amateur.misc.
If I had access to fin.r.a.m and thai.r.a.m (which don't even exist)
then I would have conducted a seperate poll for those folks.

The ratio of YES to NO answers is running about 2 to 1.

Jeff KH2PZ / KH6


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:12 1996
From: [e-mail] (Tony Langdon)
Date: 06 Jun 96 20:59:02
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc,aus.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Australian Ham Poll (was: Problem with name of "boatanchors"?)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4o3j7t$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

It's 06 Jun 96  07:56,
We'll return to [e-mail] and All's
discussion of Australian Ham Poll (was: Problem with name of "boatanchors"?)

 > 1. Have you ever heard of the ham radio term "boatanchors"? [YN]

 rs> I assume it means the same as any other user of the term "boatanchors"
 rs> - i.e.  something old whose functionality and usefulness means it is
 rs> only good for a  "boatanchor" or "doorstop" for landlubbers.
 rs> Alternatively, anything as big  and heavy as an SG-2000 :-)

That's my understanding of the term too.  Also applies to computer gear
too. :-)


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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:13 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins ~ n6fri)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Band Threat Update: Email!
Date: 9 Jun 1996 08:09:26 GMT
Message-ID: <4pe0rm$[e-mail]>
References: <4pdar7$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] wrote:
: [e-mail] (Bradley T. Banko) wrote:

: >>
: >Instead of directing comments to the list of individuals distributed
: >in an earlier bulletin and included in the pre-press version of
: >K1ZZ's editorial, send comments by e-mail to wrc97fcc.gov. Send

: ^^^^^^^^^^^

: What is the full email address?  This appears to be a server.

and not a real good server ...       [e-mail]  for comments

Bob
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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:14 1996
From: [e-mail] (Arden Eby)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BAND THREAT:  Sample Letter
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:07:11 GMT
Message-ID: <4ph6ms$[e-mail]>
References: <4p08th$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Ed Ellers <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Arden Eby <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>Even if you were somehow able to have these frequencies reallocated,
>>they would be almost impossible to manage.  Imagine trying to conduct
>>paging operations on frequencies for which millions of multi-mode
>>transmitters and antennas are already in the hands of individuals who
>>believe that they have been robbed.  Not that I would endorse illegal
>>activity.  Far from it...the vast majority of amateur radio operators
>>are strictly law-abiding.  But clearly this reallocation would create
>>an unusually complex as well as emotionally tense situation that would
>>be difficult to police and painful to all concerned, even if it
>>directly involved only a tiny minority.
>
>Not a good idea.  Bureaucrats tend to react violently to blackmail threats,
>real or not.


I thought about how that might sound and tried to ameliorate it with
the realatively soft language.  However, it is a real issue and it's
something they'll have to consider.  It absolutely was NOT a threat,
at least not from me.  Rather, it pointed out a potential problem with
these frequencies.  If only the most pertubed 1% of all hams, the
worst of the worst, used the radios at their disposal, the LEO's would
be useless.  Even though I absolutely would NOT support this activity,
they need to be made aware of the potential for it.  Even if the
"bureacrats" reacted violently, hopefully the private industry
representatives would understand the problem and realize that using
these bands is not in their own best interest (i.e. profits).

>
>Personally, I would have thrown in a reminder that 2m and 70cm require
>antennas that are much larger than those used for most low-earth-orbit
>applications, meaning that the use of these bands for "little LEOs" would
>unnecessarily burden the user stations.

Good point.

Arden KI7FG
******************************************************************************
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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:18 1996
From: [e-mail] (WERMUSIC)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: beep after tx
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 02:48:31 GMT
Message-ID: <4pg1km$[e-mail]>
References: <4nu635$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4och01$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pdu31$[e-mail]>

>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>> Oh Im sorry...I have to take exception with this! There is NO reason for
>>a 'roger-beep'...if you cant tell when the other station has unkeyed - you
>>should find another hobby! The only two reasons those damn things exist is
>>to 1) Seperate the foolish from their money 2) Annoy those listening, usuall
y
>>on 11m but Ive found an alarming share of Amateurs who seem to think highly
>>of their use - probably ex-CBers who havent outgrown the fetish!
Then DON MURRAY wrote:
>What really is the differance between a roger beep and the squelch tail/tones

>you hear on most repeaters??
>Not much in my opinion..

I was planning to IGNORE the rest of this thread, but since it reared
it's ugly head again :::

The ORGINAL REQUEST was NOT for a ROGER BEEP -
I know this. DON knows this several other orginal responders knew
this.  The OVER-SEAS request was to transmitt a TONE at every keydown
(2mtr hand held)  I surmised that he wanted to control somethng
remotely, and was met with the (above)  That was ALL -
Please just DROP IT everyone - it is clear that those that UNDERSTAND
KNOW. and those that don't  FLAME.

73
DE - N7NBB - CAM (I am NOT FRANZ)
[e-mail]




Marvel as each day flows
Swiftly through our lives;
As we travel through time,
Music makes us whole

          Franz Douskey



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:19 1996
From: [e-mail](Jim Lowman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Book-Star and Ham Radio
Date: 9 Jun 1996 20:32:46 GMT
Message-ID: <4pfcde$[e-mail]>
References: <4pdm90$[e-mail]>

In <4pdm90$[e-mail]> [e-mail](Hell
Rider) writes:

>I went to Bookstar today to look for some Ham Radio books, I asked the
>salesperson if they had any and they told me to go look in the Music
>section, then they told me to look in the television section!
>
>This is crazy!  It turned out that three out of four salespeople
didn't
>know what HAM (or Amateur) radio was and the last one finally said
that
>they didn't even have any books on it, but only seven months ago they
had a
>whole section on it.

I doubt that the salesperson was being honest with you, or was
misinformed.  The local Barnes & Noble (CA counterpart to Bookstar)
stores sometimes have a few ham books in with the electronics books,
but not many.

Probably most of us buy ham books from specialized retailers, like
electronics or ham stores, or use mailorder.

My other hobby - and profession - involves software development.  Just
try looking at computer-related books on a crowded day, without having
to squeeze in, or have people walk right in front of you.

73 de Jim - KF6CR




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:20 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Book-Star and Ham Radio
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 10:41:28 GMT
Message-ID: <4ped4o$[e-mail]>
References: <4pdm90$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail](Hell Rider) wrote:

>
>I went to Bookstar today to look for some Ham Radio books, I asked the
>salesperson if they had any and they told me to go look in the Music
>section, then they told me to look in the television section!
>
>This is crazy!  It turned out that three out of four salespeople didn't
>know what HAM (or Amateur) radio was and the last one finally said that
>they didn't even have any books on it, but only seven months ago they had a
>whole section on it.
>

Gee, I guess that kinda blows the theory that the general public
thinks CW testing is wierd, huh ......





From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:21 1996
From: [e-mail] (Brian Mileshosky, N5ZGT)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Bootleggers between 29.7 and 30 Mhz
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:59:43 GMT
Message-ID: <4ppvro$[e-mail]>
References: <4pnk3s$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:

>While enjoying the GREAT band opening on 10 yesterday, I noticed quite a
>few bootleggers between the end of 10 and the beginning of the "low"
>public service band.  29.75 and 29.80 seemed especially active.  Sounded
>like taxicab drivers (?) with New York or Massachusetts accents.

>Anyone else hear these?

I didn't, but I think we should start swinging our beams and find the
general direction in which they are coming from, and go from there.
It is time we Amateurs have to take a stand since the FCC doesn't have
the money to help us out.
Best of 73,
Brian, N5ZGT



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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:24 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Leibold)
Subject: Burt Fisher, the final part (was Re: Hitler's Willing Executioners)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:43:42 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4omir5$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4p450h$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Gary Hosler - KN0Z) writes:

>[e-mail] (Torsten Leibold) wrote:

>>Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:

[...]
>PLEASE don't respond any more to any of Burt's bullshit!  He has such
>a poor life that he has nothing better to do than toss out flame-bait
>like this stuff.  He is always complaining that Ham Radio and Hams are
>worthless, yet he continues to find time to stick around here and
>provide this sort of crap.  If everyone on the usenets (and he spams
>them all) would just ignore him, perhaps he would go get a life (or at
>least leave us alone).

Well, I'm desperately sorry for this, dear Gary and all other readers.
It seems that I've been the only guy here not knowing of Burt's
special intention. Your tactic's the right one, I'll follow ...

--
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Konrad-Adenauer-Allee 105                     AX25: dl1fy@db0ge.#sar.deu.eu
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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:25 1996
From: David Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Charging Gell Cells
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 00:14:00 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

What is the best way (voltage, amps, charge time) to recharge a
12volt, 4 amp hour gel cell. The one I have is a YUASA NP4-12.
Thanks in advance,
--- Please respond via email. ---
--
EMAIL: [e-mail]
WEB  : home.earthlink.net/~dmoore


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:26 1996
From: "Harv Shore" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Collection of QSTS available
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 09:13:18 -0700
Message-ID: <01bb561e.91fe7280$[e-mail]>

Stack of 70"s QSTs available.
FREE
U pay UPS
Call 818 347-2608   Bob



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:27 1996
From: [e-mail] (Hans Brakob)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Controlled Substance?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:34:23 -0100

Before I begin:
-- This is not a specific commentary on the recent announcement
 by one manufacturer regarding their expanded sales channels.
-- The FCC (not the amateur community) is responsible for what
happens OUTSIDE the amateur bands. (I donÆt agree with the
behavior of the freebanders, etc., but it ainÆt my job to fix it
either.)

With that disclaimer out of the way. . .

. . .I find myself in disagreement with many well-meaning folks
who advocate placing restrictions on the wide availability of
amateur radio equipment and supplies. These are the folks who
suggest it be a crime to own amateur equipment without a
license, and who are not thrilled about the fact that one
national retail chain sells a line of UHF/VHF amateur equipment.

. . .While it is easy, on the surface, to agree with their
goal (keeping amateur equipment out of the hands of
bootleggers), I feel the attitude that amateur equipment
should be treated as some sort of controlled substance is
short-sighted and in fact damaging to our service.

. . .I live in a large metropolitan area. We have one full line amateur
store in town. There are no other similar stores in the
whole state. In the four states which border us, there are 2
more amateur radio stores. THATÆS IT! In 5 states, there are
only 3 stores! In the whole country, my guess is that there
are less than four dozen stores selling amateur radio equipment,
antennas, and supplies! It is as though we were some secret
society, bent on concealing our presence from the world.

. . .Not all that many years ago, there were at least 6
electronic stores here in town which sold amateur equipment (not
exclusively, but they all had a good selection). Add to that
two Heathkit stores, and even the Sears stores sold amateur
transceivers for awhile. (Yes, Virginia, right there along with
the Craftsman sockets and Silvertone TV sets.) In the same era,
Radio Row in NYC was blocks of wall-to-wall storefronts catering
to electronics experimenters. Popular Science magazine had a
regular column about amateur radio, and occasional construction
articles. Every second little town had an amateur radio club.
Amateur Radio was a populist, Joe SixPack kind of hobby.

. . .During those years it was easy for a person to get
interested in being an amateur, to shop around for the best
deal on equipment, and to meet an Elmer. We were visible to
the public, and well regarded.

. . .Then somewhere along the line came the magic of 1-800
shopping, amateur radio marketing became streamlined, and
radio stores disappeared from Hometown America. With the demise
of the local radio store, all the Elmers disappeared into their
shacks and newcomers flounder around in fancy four-color ads in
back of CQ and QST magazine, trying to decide how to be a ham.

. . .Rather than continuing to restrict the availability of
amateur equipment, as though we were selling assault weapons,
I vote for opening up the market. LetÆs have radios for sale
in the strip malls alongside the video games, Lionel trains,
and mountain bikes. And it wonÆt hurt if a few of us put on our
Elmer-suits and lurk around to spot the likely recruits.

73, de Hans, K0HB

PS: There were less bootleggers back then, with a more open
market, than there are today with our "secret handshake --
call the right 800-number and take your chances" marketing.




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:28 1996
From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW is radio
Date: 11 Jun 1996 07:12:02 -0700
Message-ID: <4pjuri$[e-mail]>
References: <4pjp8j$[e-mail]>

Frank Sved <[e-mail]> wrote:

: At the risk of being simplistic or offending, when an individual goes to a r
e

I think someone who refuses to learn how to use word wrap should
be required to use nothing but CW. :-)

73, Cecil, KG7BK (W6RCA soon), OOTC



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:29 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW is radio
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 07:34:36 GMT
Message-ID: <4plvam$[e-mail]>
References: <4pjp8j$[e-mail]> <4pjuri$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Cecil Moore <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I think someone who refuses to learn how to use word wrap should
>be required to use nothing but CW. :-)

>73, Cecil, KG7BK (W6RCA soon), OOTC

Give 'em hell Cecil, somebody has to whip these people into line.

73, Jim KH2D (KH2D forever) NAOACC





From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:30 1996
From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW is radio
Date: 12 Jun 1996 17:29:02 -0700
Message-ID: <4pnnce$[e-mail]>
References: <4pjp8j$[e-mail]> <4pjuri$[e-mail]> <4pml7k$[e-mail]>

Frank Sved <[e-mail]> wrote:

: 1. If your Wordstar 1.0 doesn't scroll then upgrade.

I'm using Procomm Plus like half the other people here. Line wrap
is on but your posting just falls off the screen.

73, Cecil, KG7BK (W6RCA soon), OOTC




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:31 1996
From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CW is radio
Date: 11 Jun 1996 12:36:35 GMT
Message-ID: <4pjp8j$[e-mail]>


I personally think that CW is an integral part to being a ham operator.

I only have my 5 WPM but am working my way towards my 12 WPM.  Here in Canada
anyways you need your 12 WPM to have full access to HF bands.

I would like some feedback from people who think that CW is not necessary.  Wh
y is that?  Why is CW not a good delimeter in protecting certain parts of HF t
o those who wish to exercise their expertise a certain way?

At the risk of being simplistic or offending, when an individual goes to a res
taurant which will be shared by other patrons, he has a choice of going to a c
hip stand or a ritzy restaurant.  Each place has its own delimeters (price, dr
ess, location) that
they use to grant access.

Again, I'm not baiting anyone, I just want to know what is wrong with limiting
 access to certain parts of HF, as long as the criteria for granting access is
 fair.?
--
                      Email Address: [e-mail]
---|Frank Sved|---    Amateur Call : VE3GID
                      Home Phone   : [phone]


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:32 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <01bb4f23.c5e9bca0$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:06:50 GMT

R. Noordanus <[e-mail]> wrote:
>But how about the people who want to experiment with different antennas,
>homebrew transimtters etc.? They _must_ learn CW before they can do
>anything.
>Regards, Rob
>PE1OTP @ PI8SHB

No. In the US they can experiment to their hearts content on 6M and up.
Also, antenna experiments can be conducted on the HF citizens' band. And
the 1750M band (refered to as "The experimenters band") is great for
xmtr and ant projects. Actually, Part 15 gives the experimenters a
*wide* latitude of MF and HF frequencies to use license-free.

Jeff KH2PZ

P.S. Bob, I realize you're not in the US, but doesn't your country at
least have code-free VHF license?


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:33 1996
From: Chris Boone <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Did UPS ever actually use 220 - 222 MHz?
Date: 12 Jun 1996 21:19:19 GMT
Message-ID: <4pnc8n$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4p86u2$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (KD1YVJim) wrote:
>Back to the original question (see the subject line), I don't think so.  I
>attended a digital wireless conference in Boston several years ago, and
>UPS was one of the key presenters there.
>
>They stated something to the effect that since they could not successfully
>get the 220 MHz band to work for their needs, they abandonded it and went
>to cell-phone modems.
>
>73 de Jim, KD1YV

UPS never received a nationwide 220 Mhz license (something they HAD to
have to be able to use the band the way they had planned to)....and I
heard stories of their subsidiary company, II Morrow (who was to make
their special 220 ACSSB gear) having BIG time problems with the radios
affecting the electronics in UPS trucks and never could get the bugs
worked out (AHHHH so sorry!)...


73
Chris
WB5ITT



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:34 1996
From: Chris Boone <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Did UPS ever actually use 220 - 222 MHz?
Date: 12 Jun 1996 21:19:44 GMT
Message-ID: <4pnc9g$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4p86u2$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (KD1YVJim) wrote:
>Back to the original question (see the subject line), I don't think so.  I
>attended a digital wireless conference in Boston several years ago, and
>UPS was one of the key presenters there.
>
>They stated something to the effect that since they could not successfully
>get the 220 MHz band to work for their needs, they abandonded it and went
>to cell-phone modems.
>
>73 de Jim, KD1YV

UPS never received a nationwide 220 Mhz license (something they HAD to
have to be able to use the band the way they had planned to)....and I
heard stories of their subsidiary company, II Morrow (who was to make
their special 220 ACSSB gear) having BIG time problems with the radios
affecting the electronics in UPS trucks and never could get the bugs
worked out (AHHHH so sorry!)...


73
Chris
WB5ITT



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:35 1996
From: [e-mail] (Guy Teague)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drew's New Gig
Date: 10 Jun 1996 04:52:15 -0400
Message-ID: <4pgnnv$[e-mail]>
References: <4pe4cu$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Jeffrey Herman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Found this over on rec.radio.broadcasting. Congratulations, Drew!!
: Jeff KH2PZ/KH6

: Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >
: >Man, you don't know how good it feels to be able to post this...
: >
: >After five long and sometimes frustrating years of trying, I have FINALLY
: >cracked the Orlando market.  As of this weekend, I will be the newest
: >member of the airstaff at WOTS/1220, the new 70'S MUSIC STATION that
: >broadcasts live from Old Town (one of the attractions) in Kissimmee!  Is
: >that great, or what?  The station is rather small (only 1,000 watts on
: >AM),
--------

Thanks for the warning - I won't be chasing this dx!

--
Cheers  73 de  [e-mail]  "Don't you eat that yellow snow" F Zappa
Guy     KG5VT  [e-mail]  "Can't melt it down in the rain" L Cohen
<http://www.why.net/home/gteague/gtweb.html> "They're out there" K Kesey



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:36 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins ~ n6fri)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drew's New Gig
Date: 11 Jun 1996 07:42:21 GMT
Message-ID: <4pj80t$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4pfs2o$[e-mail]> <4phhfh$[e-mail]>

Jim Kehler ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ wrote:

: >>   [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:
: >>  Found this over on rec.radio.broadcasting. Congratulations, Drew!!
: >>  Jeff KH2PZ/KH6
: >>
: >>
: >>  Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >>  >
: >>  >Man, you don't know how good it feels to be able to post this...
: >>  >
: >>  >After five long and sometimes frustrating years of trying, I have FINAL
LY
: >>  >cracked the Orlando market.  As of this weekend, I will be the newest
: >>  >member of the airstaff at WOTS/1220, the new 70'S MUSIC STATION that
: >>  >broadcasts live from Old Town (one of the attractions) in Kissimmee!  I
s
: >>  >that great, or what?  The station is rather small (only 1,000 watts on
: >>  >AM),

: >>  >-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-

: About time the little sleeze ball got a job........

Some one Please make an air check or tape of Drews first night out.

Bob
--
       Bob Wilkins                   home    [e-mail]
 Berkeley Hills, California          work    [e-mail]
         CM87uv                      play    n6fri@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.noam




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:37 1996
From: [e-mail] (Stan Huntting)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Dual port TNC software
Date: 10 Jun 1996 13:46:56 GMT
Message-ID: <4ph90g$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...

>Anybody know any good dual port software for the 9612? I am interested
in
>having split windows...one for each port (vhf, 1200 & uhf, 9600).
>
>WinPack has split windows, but not for ports, hence, it cant be used
>effectively. Anybody have any ideas/suggestions?

KaWin does just what you ask. Download it from the KaWin Home Page
(below). 73,

Stan
--
Stan Huntting,    KF0IA
Email:            [e-mail]
Fax:              303 444 2314
KaWin home page:  http://www.mutadv.com/kawin/
Postal address:   4655 Pleasant Ridge Rd.,
                  Boulder, CO 80301-1731, USA



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:39 1996
From: Samuel Geller <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: F I E L D  D A Y ! Baltimore
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 20:58:28 -0400
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.960607205608.24625C-100000@mail>


==========================================================================
 The Baltimore Radio Amateur Television Society will hold their annual
 Field Day at the Baltimore County Fire/Rescue Academy Training Center
 on York Road, just inside the I-695 Beltway at Exit 26 in Towson, MD.

 The event begins at 2:00 pm. on Saturday June 22nd., and goes
 continously until Sunday June 23d. at 2:00 pm.  Amateur radio
 operators are also invited to assist in the setup beginning at
 8:00 am. on Saturday morning and after the event on Sunday afternoon.

 Field Day is a conglomeration of a contest, an emergency
 preparedness exercise (all operation is via generator or battery
 power) and a public relations event to help publicize ham radio.
 Please plan to join us and  operate at least some of the time
 between Saturday afternoon and Sunday afternoon.  Plan to bring your
 family and friends as well, and expose them to ham radio.  (Licensed
 operators will be on hand to assist them.)

 Refreshments will be provided.

 For more information, contact the BRATS at [phone]
                             home page:  http://www.smart.net/~brats
                                e-mail:  [e-mail]

 REMINDER: Enter only from York Road....and please don't park in an
 unauthorized parking space.  Talk-in is available on 2 meters-amateur
 radio 147.63/03.
==========================================================================





From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:40 1996
From: [e-mail] (Thomas N Tumino)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Feedback on MFJ HF tuners please.
Date: 12 Jun 1996 06:08:58 GMT
Message-ID: <4plmtq$[e-mail]>
References: <4olsol$[e-mail]> <4oo76g$[e-mail]> <4os60b$[e-mail]> <4otkb5$[e-mail]>

Just say no to the 6 m MFJ tuner....it has yet to tune a single thing for
me


WB3U ([e-mail]) wrote:
:    [e-mail] (Dennis Collin) wrote:

: >For the same $$$, get a VCI300DLP (also sold under Tucker name) ...
: >MUCH better contruction, VERY much better appearance, and solid
: >performance.  MFJ varies greatly due to (IMO) poor quality control.
: >I've determined never to own another piece of MFJ gear!

: Am I mistaken, or was there a post here recently also commenting
: on the poor quality of the Tucker tuners?

: 73,
: Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:41 1996
From: John Anderson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: field day
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 10:13:00 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

The Fort Madison Iowa amateur radio club will be using the call nw0x on
field day. Hope to see you all on the bands. I will be running the vhf
packet station for those in the area. 73   John k0bkl


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:42 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Tom  Zoch)
Subject: For Sale: 144.000-148.000 MHz Band.  Slightly used..
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
References: <[e-mail]> <4onikv$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4p4isc$[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 02:14:55 GMT

I had heard that Bill Gates has a large interest in the Leo industry,
although I don't know for sure that is true.

But if it is.
 I wonder if the state department plans or has agreed to  push hard for
his choice of freq. allocations for the Leo industry. In exchange for his
backing down a bit on pressing for sanctions and such agents  China. For
allowing or not actively  cracking down on the piracy of Microsoft
Software in that  country.  Thereby easing tense US-China relations,
While helping to please the richest man in America by aiding his
corporate interests, all by pushing threw a measure that will only effect
a few hundred thousand US Citizens, and a handful of smaller companies
that manufacture goods for them.

Scary thought!  especially if there is any truth in it..

Think I might just send out another round of letters to all the elected
officials in Washington DC as  well as those in my state. To let them
know I really don't want to see them standby and allow the  reallocation
of the two Bands now or in the future,  Just in case they didn't get the
Idea from my previous two letters.

There has been alot of bantering back and forth on this issue amongst
some Hams here on the net that this might be good. The reasons are varied
and support there individual concept as to what this hobby is all about.
 Reasoning like that because there have been no significant developments
made by the amateurs lately, our technology has stagnated and the
bandwidh should be put to a better and more profitable/productive use.
Others look at it as a way to get rid of all those no code, FM CB'ers who
call themselves Hams that are eyeing  there coveted HF privileges, and
want access to them with out having to learn Morse Code.

 The way I see it, we all stand to loose,  If they can just give away or
even consider giving away the most popular and active Ham band 2M. What
will go next? If the activity level and amount of personal and public
investment in the band doesn't for much.  How many people and companies
will pump big money into buying  or developing new technology  and
products for Freqs that can be reallocated by pressure from big money at
the governments whims.  Granted some of them are protected by short term
treaties set up by international agreement.  We all know that they can't
be bought, right?.

Beyond the immediate threat of the possible loss of bandwith the threat
continues. Until a more permanent solution is found, the remaining
question is not  if but when will we lose all access? I feel we should
press further to see that at least our current sections of the frequency
spectrum as well as others are set aside perminatly by law for  use by
the Amateur Radio service.  Sort of like  the system of national Parks.
When they were set up I don't think  many of those of the time,  would
even  consider the idea that a day would come that even half of all the
forests that stood across the US would have been cut down.  Look how much
remains standing today.   We may not all agree on how it is used or the
test processes needed to get access to it , but at least it will be set
aside  for us to argue and complain about safe from accusation by
corporate greed.

Just a crazy idea I had.
73
Tom
KC7PMQ




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:43 1996
From: [e-mail] (Kjell Duna)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Formula for sunset & sunrise ?
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:05:30 GMT
Message-ID: <4pn4il$[e-mail]>


Hi !

I'm looking for the formulas for sunset and sunrise - not a program.
I would like to make my own (hi) !

Anyone who know where to find them ?

73 de LA7AH

Kjell



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:44 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Freebanders (was Re: FCC Public Notice)
Date: 6 Jun 1996 22:16:28 GMT
Message-ID: <4p7lbs$[e-mail]>
References: <4o4c19$[e-mail]> <4ovt5b$[e-mail]> <4p26hm$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
Jeffrey Herman <[e-mail]> wrote:

[...]

>Holy smoke, C! Some of those folks are "freebanding" on the trans-
>oceanic air-to-ground channels. You don't see that as a big problem?
>Take the time to become knowledgable about an issue rather than
>remaining ignorant and thus giving silly opinions.

Slow down, Jeff!  Could you please tell me what evidence has caused you
to conclude that some folks are "freebanding" on the trans-oceanic
air-to-ground channels?  Is this in reference to the one note several
years ago on rec.radio.cb where a European said he'd heard that
pirates were using these frequencies?  Have you actually ever heard
a pirate on the trans-oceanic aircraft frequencies yourself?
--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are mine and should *
 * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as     *
 * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.          *



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:45 1996
From: "Ken Bessler (KG0WX)" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: alt.travel.road-trip,rec.travel.usa-canada,rec.autos.driving,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.cb
Subject: Gas prices, good food & good repeaters?
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:53:39 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

My wife and I would like to get info from the following citys:

Columbus, MO
Indianapolis, IN
Youngstown, OH

We would like to know what the gas prices are like, what good resturants
there are and what popular repeaters are open. Thanks!
--

                                Ken Bessler KG0WX
                                Design Services Company
                                http://www2.southwind.net/~kg0wx
                                Model railroad designing


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:46 1996
From: [e-mail] (Michael Donn)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skydiving,rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy,rec.sport.basketball.misc,rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Getting rid of Get Rich Quick Schemes
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 07:17:00 -0700
Message-ID: <4pc21p$[e-mail]>
References: <4ontn7$[e-mail]> <4oojgm$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4oppnc$[e-mail]> <4oqmta$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4ovmvb$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

On Fri, 07 Jun 1996 11:39:38 -0700, Kevin-Neil Klop <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>There's a very easy way to deal with this.  Call the post office, ask for
>a Mail complaint form (I think it's form 8153, Mail Fraud/Complaint
>Questionnaire), fill it out and send it back.  They even give you a
>postage paid envelope, so all it costs you is one phone call and about 3
>minutes of time.

>I also print out the message and include it to the post office so that
>they have some physical evidence of the complaint.

>          -- Kevin --

You should always print the message with all the headers to make it easier
to prove in court.  An even easier way is to send it via e-mail to
[e-mail]





From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:47 1996
From: myles <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skydiving,rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy,rec.sport.basketball.misc,rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Getting rid of Get Rich Quick Schemes
Date: 8 Jun 1996 07:44:24 GMT
Message-ID: <4pbb0o$[e-mail]>
References: <4ontn7$[e-mail]> <4oojgm$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4oppnc$[e-mail]> <4oqmta$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4ovmvb$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

hi kevin

have you any documented results using this method?  i mean, did
you get anyone to stop spamming their scam?

regards



Kevin-Neil Klop <[e-mail]> wrote:
>There's a very easy way to deal with this.  Call the post office, ask for
>a Mail complaint form (I think it's form 8153, Mail Fraud/Complaint
>Questionnaire), fill it out and send it back.  They even give you a
>postage paid envelope, so all it costs you is one phone call and about 3
>minutes of time.
>
>I also print out the message and include it to the post office so that
>they have some physical evidence of the complaint.
>
>          -- Kevin --




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:49 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dean Heinen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Ham Fest or Porn Fest?
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:45:06 LOCAL
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4j2jp7$[e-mail]> <4j44uv$[e-mail]>

In article <4j44uv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (WB
3U) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
>Subject: Re: Ham Fest or Porn Fest?
>Date: Sun, 24 Mar 96 18:34:36 GMT

>   [e-mail] (Steve Hancock) wrote:

>>The last major hamfest in my area there were vendors selling
>>this stuff and nothing else.

>There are probably laws in your area against the public exhibition of
>such materials, particularly in the presence of minors.  A quick call
>to local law enforcement during the 'fest probably would have solved
>the problem.

>73,
>Jack  WB3U


Yeah,

And the club running the fest gets a bad rap in the paper, or gets prosecuted
for being the proivider. (they run the fest).

Then the publicity makes ALL amateurs look bad.

No, I think the correct method is to deal with it at the club level.

Dean
N7ZRS




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:50 1996
From: [e-mail] (tservo)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Hello + A CB Problem In My Town!
Date: 12 Jun 1996 17:39:02 GMT
Message-ID: <4pmvbm$[e-mail]>

Hello!  My name is Aaron and my call sign is KB3BBG!!  I'm in Eastern
Pennsylvania and I can't wait till Field Day comes around!  Field Day
is Next Saturday!
I don't use newsgroups much, but if you are in Delaware County, PA,
and you are doing Field Day with a club, please email me at
[e-mail].  I want to chat with anyone who is involved.  Also I'd
love to hear from other hams my age.  I'm 14 years old.

Now - on to this problem we had in the town I live in.  The CB problem
in my town esclataed to new heights - so what the mayor and council did
was that they talked to the FCC.  They made a law in my town where
there is a CB (and CB only) antenna restriction in the city.  If you
were a ham, you'd have to come to the municipal building and show them
your license and you'd be put on a list of antenna restriction
exemptions.  Also - the local council now monitors the CB channels,
especially the ones with the most activity.  If they hear anybody
causing trouble, etc.. they track the signal down.  My town does a
better job with handling CB problems than the FCC does!!  :-)

Thanks for reading
and 73 de Aaron KB3BBG
Email: [e-mail]















From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:52 1996
From: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hello+ a CB problem in my area--time to help out
Date: 14 Jun 1996 14:05:24 GMT
Message-ID: <4prrj4$[e-mail]>
Keywords: cb problem illegal


>>Now - on to this problem we had in the town I live in.  The CB problem
>>in my town esclataed to new heights - so what the mayor and council did
>>was that they talked to the FCC.  They made a law in my town where
>>there is a CB (and CB only) antenna restriction in the city.  If you
>>were a ham, you'd have to come to the municipal building and show them
>>your license and you'd be put on a list of antenna restriction
>>exemptions.


>Since operating a CB is a legal activity, how is it that the council has
>the authority to enact a ban on CB antennas?

>I hope your town has lots of extra tax dollars laying around to pay
>lawyers, court costs, and penalties.  My guess is that they're going to
>be doing just that in the near future!

>-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
> KF4DDM


The town council in Collingdale, PA is trying to do the same thing due
to an interference complaint from a hostile woman who is running
$9.95 junk Conair telephones and other cheap electronics. She refuses
to allow high pass filters to be installed on her TV set and will not let
anybody do anything to her equipment to try to eliminate the problems.
Even though the FCC acknowledges that the problems originate in the
cheaply manufactured electronics, this woman feels that her rights are
being violated by the interference.

The person who the complaint is about is a sister of a friend of mine, so
I offered to inspect the station to see if it is running legal. She was using
a Cobra 19+ radio which put out 3.8 watts and got 50% modulation when
you screamed into the microphone! She is running a low-pass filter with
the radio and is using a Maco Alpha V5/8 antenna. Hardly a threat to
anybody!

She gave my report to the town Council and the FCC. I spoke with the
FCC directly on the phone regarding the matter. The FCC representative
said that since they did not have the manpower to inspect every station
involved in a complaint, he would accept my report as accurate, and write
a letter to the Collingdale town Council stating that any attempt to pass
laws forbidding CB antennas will not stand up in Federal Court and will
be over-turned.

The FCC agent also thanked me for volunteering my time to inspect this
station and said that he wished there were more amateur operators who
will get involved to help them out. He said that amateur operators used
to do this for them back in the 1970's but now they are few and far
between.

Come on guys! Even if you do not like or agree with CB, you may be helping
your own cause by getting involved to strike down any local ordinances
prohibiting antennas, no matter what service they cover. Most non-technical
people will not be able to tell a CB antenna from a Ringo Ranger, and
what is to stop them from banning all transmitting antennas? It is easier
to squash an ordinance before it is passed than it is to go to court to get
them over turned. It is also a lot cheaper too! Let's try to use our
talents to help educate our CB neighbors to run clean and to educate
our local officials as to what they can and can't do legally when it comes
to services that are under the jurisdiction of a Federal agency!

73 de WA3RVT, Steve



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:53 1996
From: [e-mail] (Arden Eby)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hitler's Willing Executioners
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 09:12:57 GMT
Message-ID: <4pe4ji$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4omir5$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4p6m7f$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

"Thomas J. Penton" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Arden what has got to do with amateur radio?
>

Nothing whatsoever.  However, I'd rather take the opportunity to right
a wrong than to miss the opportunity and stay on topic.

Arden  KI7FG


******************************************************************************
                                 Arden Eby
                      Internet:  [e-mail]
                  Packet Radio:  [e-mail]
     Homepage (Eby's Cyberscroll)  http://www.teleport.com/~arden/
******************************************************************************



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:54 1996
From: [e-mail] (Samuel R. DiSalvo)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: HTX 202  Error message???
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:51:30 GMT
Message-ID: <4phcpi$[e-mail]>

I guy that I work with is apparently having a problem with his Radio
Shack HTX 202 HT.  Sometimes when he keys up on it, he gets an error
message <ER-2>. Is anyone familiar with this and what it might mean.
It seams to do it after it has been off for a while and when it does,
he has to reset the unit's CPU.

Any info would be greatly appreciated

73

KC8BQP - Sam




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:55 1996
From: [e-mail] (Paul Opitz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: HTX 202  Error message???
Date: 12 Jun 1996 18:53:59 GMT
Message-ID: <4pn3o8$[e-mail]>
References: <4phcpi$[e-mail]>

Samuel R. DiSalvo ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I guy that I work with is apparently having a problem with his Radio
: Shack HTX 202 HT.  Sometimes when he keys up on it, he gets an error
: message <ER-2>. Is anyone familiar with this and what it might mean.
: It seams to do it after it has been off for a while and when it does,
: he has to reset the unit's CPU.
:
: Any info would be greatly appreciated
:
: 73
:
: KC8BQP - Sam
:
:

This is caused by excess RF getting into the radio and unlocking the
PLL. It is most often encountered when operating off of 13.8V using a
rubber ducky. Solution: Use an off-unit antenna when operating from
automotive voltage. (Using an aftermarket 8-cell battery pack can also
generate the conditions necessary for the error.)

PaulOpitz
RadioShack Publications


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:57 1996
From: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HTX-202 Error message--straight from the horse's mouth
Date: 14 Jun 1996 13:42:30 GMT
Message-ID: <4prq86$[e-mail]>
Keywords: radio shack htx-202 2 meter


Hi all!

The following is what Tandy has to say about the HTX-202's "ERR 2" message.
Do not listen to previous posts that say to send your radio back for
service!! The following document can be viewed directly at:

http://www.tandy.com/support/doc15/15564.txt

Other on-line help is available for most Radio Shack products at:

http://www.tandy.com/support/cb.html

It's better to get the information "straight from the horse's mouth"!!

73 de WA3RVT, Steve

_________________________________________________________

also check out:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/wa3rvt

For more information on the HTX-202

__________________________________________________________

The following is from from Radio Shack's
http://www.tandy.com/support/doc15/15564.txt

HTX-202  (190-1120)           Hints and Tips          Faxback Doc. # 15564

This radio is likely to get an ERR2 when running off a cigarette lighter.
This is due to RF feedback which travels from radio to rubber duck to
power cord and back to radio.  The best way to fix the ERR2 is to use an
external antenna.

When pressing f/3, it only comes up with a negative offset.  In order to
come up with a positive offset, check the offset by entering VFO mode and
pressing function/8.  The display reads os and a number. That number is
normally 600.  It will not give any offset that puts it out of the legal
limits of 144-148 MHz.

This radio cannot be modified for expanded frequencies.

(IR/ir-09/19/95)


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:58 1996
From: Wes Atchison <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Icom ic-r7100 mods
Date: 13 Jun 1996 17:04:10 GMT
Message-ID: <4pphma$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

I too would be interested in the mods.


Wes

WA5TKU



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:08:59 1996
From: [e-mail] (Don Borowski)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.components
Subject: Re: image file of world's first transistor in a.b.pictures.12hr misc
Date: 11 Jun 1996 16:22:57 GMT
Message-ID: <4pk6h1$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4pimc8$[e-mail]>

Richard Ammon ([e-mail]) wrote:

: You guys are all wrong!  Was watching "TLC" (The Learning Channel)
: over the weekend... and their promo for their own channel said "The transist
or was invented by DeForest"!

: An...Dats da trooff!

Well, yeah!  The thermionic version, he did!

Donald Borowski    WA6OMI    Hewlett-Packard, Spokane Division
"Angels are able to fly because they take themselves so lightly."
                                       -G.K. Chesterton



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:01 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.antiques.radio+phono,sci.electronics.components
Subject: Re: image file of world's first transistor in a.b.pictures.12hr misc
Date: 14 Jun 1996 01:55:11 GMT
Message-ID: <4pqgpv$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4pimc8$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

In <4pimc8$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Richard Ammon
) writes:
>
>
>You guys are all wrong!  Was watching "TLC" (The Learning Channel)
>over the weekend... and their promo for their own channel said "The transisto
r was invented by DeForest"!
>
>An...Dats da trooff!
>
>I think TLC has a flawed substrate. I believe DeForest invented the vacuum tu
be
 and William Shockley at Bell Labs invented the transistor. At least until
 revisionist clown attempts to rewrite this history like they are rewriting
 American History.

                                                               Jim WD9AHF
>
>                                                         z Z
>         Rick ("Wireless") & Vicki Ammon             |\ z    _,,,---,,_
>                                                    /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_
>       ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OLD RADIO STUFF!         |,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ (  `'-'
>                                                  '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)
>  ===========================================================================
>                      Join the Colorado Radio Collectors!
>  ===========================================================================



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:02 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steven H Philipson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Info on Icom 706 Needed
Date: 11 Jun 1996 13:03:58 -0700
Message-ID: <4pkjfe$[e-mail]>
Keywords: Icom 706 equipment report


A friend of mine is planning an around-the-world trip in a light airplane.
He intends to install an HF transceiver in his airplane primarily for use in
the ham bands but also as an emergency backup for long range communication
with air traffic control.  The aircraft is a Cessna 172RG which has a
28 volt electrical system.

The requirements for this radio are that it be small, light, easy to use,
work well in an aircraft installation, and above all else be tough and
reliable -- he'll be a long way from the nearest service center.

My friend is seeking user reports on the Icom 706, with respect to
the above factors.  In addition, comparisons to similar Kenwood or
Yaesu units would be helpful.  If you have such information, we
would appreciate it if you would send it to me via e-mail at the
address below.

Thanks for your consideration.

                                        Steve Philipson
                                        WB2EUZ
                                        [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:04 1996
From: [e-mail] (Greg Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Internet Phone/Repeater Link - Feedback anyone ?
Date: 11 Jun 1996 02:35:01 -0700
Message-ID: <4pjek5$[e-mail]>
References: <4p3eic$[e-mail]> <4pc8do$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Bill Meara <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Richard:  Internet Phone is proving to be a very interesting medium for
>communication by ham operators.  Amidst a real large number of very
>diverse (and often weird) topic groups (like IRC channels) on the I-phone
>servers you'll find a number of ham radio groups. These groups are
>populated by a very congenial group of hams.  Among the stations listed,
>you will often see repeaters.  If you are running the repeater link
>software in the background, you can access the repeater.

>I have set up an interface with my 2 meter gear.  I normally set up
>I-phone and connect it to my two meter transceiver.  I select a simplex
>frequency.  Then I take a handie talkie with me while going for a walk in
>the park or while working around the house.  When a ham calls on I-phone,
>I hear a beep on the handie and can take the call. It is fun to work
>Australia and Japan with a two meter handie while walking along the
>Caribbean water front.

Only one small problem with that. A non-ham can get on I-phone and
call you over the radio. Now it would be just like using the autopatch
but you are initiating the call with the autopatch not the other way
around. If you could control it remotely then it would be alright.
Besides it is illegal to control on 2m, must be 220 and up for control
purposes on a simplex frequency. If it was a duplex freq then it would
be legal.





From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:05 1996
From: Ted F <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Internet Phone/Repeater Link - Feedback anyone ?
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:19:54 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4p3eic$[e-mail]> <4pc8do$[e-mail]> <4pjek5$[e-mail]>

Greg Thompson wrote:
>
> Bill Meara <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >Richard:  Internet Phone is proving to be a very interesting medium for
> >communication by ham operators.  Amidst a real large number of very
> >diverse (and often weird) topic groups (like IRC channels) on the I-phone
> >servers you'll find a number of ham radio groups. These groups are
> >populated by a very congenial group of hams.  Among the stations listed,
> >you will often see repeaters.  If you are running the repeater link
> >software in the background, you can access the repeater.
>
> >I have set up an interface with my 2 meter gear.  I normally set up
> >I-phone and connect it to my two meter transceiver.  I select a simplex
> >frequency.  Then I take a handie talkie with me while going for a walk in
> >the park or while working around the house.  When a ham calls on I-phone,
> >I hear a beep on the handie and can take the call. It is fun to work
> >Australia and Japan with a two meter handie while walking along the
> >Caribbean water front.
>
> Only one small problem with that. A non-ham can get on I-phone and
> call you over the radio. Now it would be just like using the autopatch
> but you are initiating the call with the autopatch not the other way
> around. If you could control it remotely then it would be alright.
> Besides it is illegal to control on 2m, must be 220 and up for control
> purposes on a simplex frequency. If it was a duplex freq then it would
> be legal.

It should still be as legal as reverse autopatch.
Ted F.
N3SQY


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:06 1996
From: [e-mail] (Greg Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Internet Phone/Repeater Link - Feedback anyone ?
Date: 14 Jun 1996 02:13:01 -0700
Message-ID: <4praet$[e-mail]>
References: <4p3eic$[e-mail]> <4pc8do$[e-mail]> <4pjek5$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Ted F <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Gary Coffman wrote:
>>
>> In article <[e-mail]> Ted F <[e-mail]> w
rites:
>> >Greg Thompson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Only one small problem with that. A non-ham can get on I-phone and
>> >> call you over the radio. Now it would be just like using the autopatch
>> >> but you are initiating the call with the autopatch not the other way
>> >> around. If you could control it remotely then it would be alright.
>> >> Besides it is illegal to control on 2m, must be 220 and up for control
>> >> purposes on a simplex frequency. If it was a duplex freq then it would
>> >> be legal.
>> >
>> >It should still be as legal as reverse autopatch.
>>
>> Exactly! And reverse patches are illegal unless a designated licensed
>> control operator is present at a control point to manage the third party
>> traffic. And if that operator is using remote radio control, that control
>> is auxillary operation and must take place above 222 MHz.
>>
>> Gary
>> --
>> Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problem
s
>> Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp addr
esses
>> 534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
g
>> Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |

>I wasn't aware that a control operator wasn't present!
>Ted F.
>N3SQY

That is what he was saying. That he would take walks and such and use
his 2m handy as a remote to iphone. Now to me with no control operator
at the point of origin then how is he going to control the link on
simplex. He would have to control on 220 and up then.





From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:08 1996
From: [e-mail] (Regional Warning Centre)
Newsgroups: aus.radio.amateur.misc,ips.solar.activity,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.info
Subject: IPS Daily Report - 11 June 96
Date: 11 Jun 1996 23:26:03 -0000
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4pkvab$[e-mail]>


SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 11/2330Z JUNE 1996 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 11 JUNE AND FORECAST FOR 12 JUNE - 14 JUNE
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: Very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  68/2

GOES satellite data for 10 Jun
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   5.0E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 4.2E+05 (normal)
       X-ray background: A1.0
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             12 Jun             13 Jun             14 Jun
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 12 Jun:  68/2

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: Quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 10 Jun
    Learmonth        4  2122 1111
    Fredericksburg   5                           6
    Planetary        5                           5

Observed Kp for 10 Jun: 2202 2221

2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
Date      Ap    Conditions
12 Jun     8    Quiet to unsettled
13 Jun     8    Quiet to unsettled
14 Jun     8    Quiet to unsettled

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    Latitude Band
Date        Low            Middle         High
11 Jun      Normal         Normal         Normal
PCA Event : None

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    Latitude Band
Date        Low            Middle         High
12 Jun      Normal         Normal         Fair
13 Jun      Normal         Normal         Fair
14 Jun      Normal         Normal         Fair

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
Date   T index
11 Jun     2

Observed Australian Regional MUFs:
Near predicted monthly values observed at all stations, with
some Spread F and Sporadic E conditions observed during local night.

Predicted Monthly T index for June: 10

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
Date   T index  MUFs
12 Jun    10    near predicted monthly values
13 Jun    10    near predicted monthly values
14 Jun    10    near predicted monthly values

--
IPS Radio and Space Services      | email: [e-mail]
PO Box 5606                       | WWW: http://www.ips.gov.au/rwc/
West Chatswood NSW 2057 AUSTRALIA | FTP: ftp://ftp.ips.gov.au/users/rwc/
tel: [phone]                | fax: [phone]


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:09 1996
From: [e-mail] (duffy1)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is RS extended  warenty  worth while???
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:05:07
Message-ID: <4pha0d$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

You almost have to have the extended warranty, especially if you
are buying the RS ham equipment.  Post over the past few years
indicated numerous failures with the handhelds but the extended
warranty allowed those individuals to get replacements rather
quickly.

In article <[e-mail]> Dave Hand wrote:
>I am interested in hearing about experiences with RS extended
warenty
>service. ( good or bad)
>
>Include if you can nature of the problem, responsiveness,
resolution.
>



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:10 1996
From: [e-mail] (Robin Shannon Brookstone)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Is this a place to post offering free parts?
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 96 00:52:53 GMT
Message-ID: <4pd799$[e-mail]>

I have some parts I want to get out of my garage & other
things I'd like to sell. Is this a good place to post them?

Please email me back.



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:11 1996
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 23:34:46 -0600
From: [e-mail] (PAUL NELSON)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is this a place to post offering free parts?
Message-ID: <DRHYDRO-0906962334460001@1.1.1.1>
References: <4pd799$[e-mail]>

In article <4pd799$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Robin Shannon
Brookstone) wrote:

> I have some parts I want to get out of my garage & other
> things I'd like to sell. Is this a good place to post them?
>
> Please email me back.

Post in rec.radio.swap, Robin. That's the best place- this group and
r.r.a.equipment are primarily for discussion about equipment, though
you'll see for sale posts sometimes.- primarily from folks who haven't
read the FAQs.

--
Paul Nelson               "When I go, I want to go quietly, in my
Ames, IA                   sleep, like my grandfather....not
                           screaming, like his passengers."
([e-mail])


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:12 1996
From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kentucky Ham Busted
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 15:21:27 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4p7tga$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Steve King" writes:

> But it says there are still other charges pending, whatever they are.
> It sounds like they are still going to prosecute even if they have to
> manufacture something.  After all, how will it look if they gov't
> persecutes someone and they don't even have a trial?  Mighty silly, I
> think.

Wait for the facts.  Maybe he was the lookout in a bank robbery and
the firearms and conspiracy to robbery charges still stand.  Maybe
he was drunk and ran down a crowd of school kids.  Is everyone
who is charged being persecuted or just amateur license holders?  I
guess OJ needed a ham ticket to get more support around here.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:13 1996
From: [e-mail] (William C. Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kentucky Ham Busted (UPDATE)
Date: 10 Jun 1996 00:23:39 -0400
Message-ID: <4pg80b$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:
>You seem to have an ax to grind again law enforcement in general (recall
>the old .sig line you used to display?). Working as a dispatcher at some
>campus does not *really* equate to being in LE comms.
>>Morehead State University Police /  E-911 Dispatcher

Jeffery, You are quite correct in your opinion that Tim should be careful
to post facts as opposed to hype. However your rather broad handed swipe at
campus law enforcement is in itself hardly factual. Most colleges,
especially those located in major citys, have more than there fair share of
crime. Far more than most small towns of comparable population. If they do
not, its usually due to the work of the police or security assigned to
these campus.

As a young police officer I was once told by a state court judges clerk
that I brought more felony cases before the court than any other agency in
the area, at that time. Believe it or not. We return this newsgroup to its
regular Ham oriented discussion. Thanks.
--
Sgt. Bill Thompson / KC4ZUB             <0>             [e-mail]
Georgia Tech Police Dept. Atlanta GA.   <0>   The Olympic Village Police Dept.
    Money buys things, Power makes things happen. Given a choice, always
    take Power.-->Roger Zelazny         <0>     LOOK, I AM THE DAMN NRA!


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:15 1996
From: [e-mail] (Alan Gollom)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Kenwood's new marketing plan
Date: 14 Jun 1996 02:07:35 GMT
Message-ID: <4pqhh8$[e-mail]>


Just received this message from a friend.  It's very interesting
to say the least.


KENWOOD ANNOUNCES NEW DISTRIBUTION CHANNELS

Longing for a new Kenwood TS-870S or maybe a TM-733? Soon, you might find
them in your local CB shop or truck stop. Citing concerns about the future
of Amateur Radio and a changing business climate, Kenwood Communications
Corp announced to its dealers on May 21 it's taking "some bold steps" to
turn things around. Kenwood has appointed three new companies (as yet
unnamed) to wholesale Kenwood Amateur Radio products "to CB radio stores,
truck stops, 2-way radio stores, and electronic re-sellers," according to a
letter to its dealer network.

Kenwood says it believes its new distribution strategy will benefit the
hobby by increasing the visibility of its Amateur Radio line through small
dealers to help draw newcomers into the hobby.

The company also says it plans to offer a new pamphlet or "primer" about
Amateur Radio to introduce people to the hobby. The primer will be free. In
addition, Kenwood will start selling Amateur Radio study guides and has
urged its authorized dealer network to help distribute the new materials. In
conjunction with its Kenwood Report--distributed to ham radio clubs--the
company also plans to offer "incentives for local clubs to gain new members
using the Kenwood Amateur Radio primer and licensing materials." In a May 28
letter to authorized dealers, Kenwood described the moves as "our first
stage of activities to promote Amateur Radio."

Kenwood says the extra step in the new distribution chain will guarantee
that existing authorized dealers always have a price advantage over the
smaller resellers. The company also denied rumors that it plans to exit the
Amateur Radio market.


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From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:16 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ky Ham Bust Info From ARRL Letter
Date: 8 Jun 1996 20:44:43 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4pconr$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4olq8v$[e-mail]> <4pagi9$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Bill Sohl) wrote:
>
>From the ARRL email newsletter of 6/7/96
>(see credits at end of post)
>
>SCANNER CHARGE DROPPED AGAINST KENTUCKY TEEN
>
>A judge has dismissed a charge of carrying a scanner that can receive
>police frequencies that was filed against a 16-year-old Kentucky ham,
>Greg Godsey, KF4BDY. Godsey, of Hopkinsville, Kentucky, was arrested
>May 11 by local police, who confiscated his Radio Shack HTX-202
>2-meter transceiver. Greg's radio has since been returned to him.
>Other charges not specifically related to his Amateur Radio activity
>are pending against the youth. They have been continued until later
>this month. His parents, Gary and Fredericka Godsey, say Greg has
>never been in trouble, and they have hired an attorney.


Three words: SUE THEIR ASSES!!!  Let's hope his attorney is able to make
an "example" out of this particular case, with the damage awards against
the city being high enough to insure that other amateurs will not be
subject to this sort of unwarranted harrassment in the future.

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:17 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Lamb baa ARC News Release
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4p4fjd$[e-mail]> <4pa4bj$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:32:03 GMT

Bill  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>QUESTION:
>      What is an Xian?

Hi Bill, I think he meant Zion - It's one of the hills of Jerusalem,
on which the city of David was built, and which became the center
of Jewish life and worship. Zionism refers to the movement aimed at
the re-establishment of a Jewish nation, and a believer and participant
towards this goal was called a Zionist.

>Have I missed something?

Nah.

>Do I need to get away from this CRT more often? 8>)

I think we all do  =:o  I'll spend tomorrow sailing off of Waikiki.

Jeff KH2PZ / KH6



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:18 1996
From: [e-mail] (Paul Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Lambda ARC News Release
Date: 11 Jun 1996 11:44:36 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4pjm75$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4p47gr$[e-mail]> <4p4fjd$[e-mail]> <4pa4bj$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>


Xian (or Xtian):  A term I have been seeing more of late referring to
                  Christians(often of the fundamentalist type)

Paul Bennett, N4EGO
(Who is getting really, really tired of labels)



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:19 1996
From: Kevin Jessup <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: LEOS, digital RF and amateur radio
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:28:05 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4pc9vd$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pg1nf$[e-mail]>

cc wynn wrote:

> [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
> >Huh? For the most part, personal experimentation and education
> >don't involve extremely weak signals. Narrowband and SS can
> >coexist on the same spectrum, the interference each causes
> >the other is minor.
>
> On the chance that your opinion represents the facts

Could we all please tone it down a bit before
this thread is reduced do another code vs nocode war?


>, isn't modern
> technology wonderful?  If SS can peacefully coexist with NBFM, SSB,
> CW, and NB Data,

Up to a point.  SS spreads the actual digital data (whatever
that data may be) out via a pseudorandom bitstream.  The data
is "EXCLUSIVE ORed" with the bitstream and likewise, recovered
on the other side.  The important point is that this bitstream
is typically ten to 100 times the frequency of the
actual data you are moving.  This is what spreads the signal.
But when you DEspread, you typically ATTENUATE any narrow
band signals in the area by a factor of the spreading gain!
The interfering signal appears virtually insignificant.
During despread, you also totally reject any other SS signals
that don't exactly match your pseudonoise bit stream.
That is, multiple SS signals can be transmiting simultaneously
without interference, realizing better spectrum usage than
the best narrow-band techniques (including TDMA, trunking, etc).

Likewise, on the spreading side, you have spread out what
would have been a strong narrow-band signal to a point
that it looks at or below the noise floor (when you
are not literally right next to the SS transmitter).
This prevents interference with the narrow-band folks.

Obviously (I would hope) too much SS can raise the noise
floor so as to make narrow-band signal reception difficult.
JUST AS too many narrow-band signals within an SS signal's
spectrum can overwhelm even the gain inherrent in the
despreading function.

BUT...when the band is largely (or entirely) devoted to SS,
the spectrum reuse well exceeds narrow-band techniques even
with the best frequency coordination.  ANd for that matter,
SS with chip-code coordination is better still.

My point is that it is a mode which deserves great attention
by amateur radio.  The potential applications are numerous
and I can go into them if you'd like.  But it has all
appeared in old issues of QST and other ARRL publications.
The "ARRL Spread Spectrum Source Book", though quite technical
in some areas, has many of these old articles and is well
worth it's $20.  I'm guessing SS has been ignored and/or
criticized by many radio amateurs because of what, IMO,
are overley restrictive Part 97 rules, blind ignorance
and/or fear of the mode and the complexity of designing
such gear.

But this is changing.  You can whip together a 900/800 MHz
SS handehled with a few off the shelf chips.  In the age
of amateur appliance operation, the manufacturers could
easily do this (for those with no time and/or initiative
to experiment themselves) and we could still realize the
many benefits of SS on 70cm and above.

n9sqb

--                             "Rest enough for the individual man - [but] too

Kevin Jessup                   much or too soon and we call it Death.  But for

software engineer                  MAN, no rest and no ending.  He must go on,

Marquette Medical Systems           conquest beyond conquest...and when he has

http://www.mei.com               conquered all the depths of space and all the

[e-mail]      mysteries of time, still he will be beginning."

PGP encrypted Email preferred                 -- H.G. Wells, Things To Come


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:20 1996
From: Jake Brodsky <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Letter to 73 Magazine Cancelling Subscription
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 11:42:53 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <199606031655.MAA10666@grtk>

<snip (lots of weird stuff 'NSD has written)>
I've been a ham for 20 years and I can say that Wayne Greene hasn't
changed much.  He's been a troll for as long as I can remember.
If you don't what he has to say, don't buy his rag.  I don't.

Jake Brodsky, AB3A
"Beware of the massive impossible!"


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:22 1996
From: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Letter to 73 Magazine Cancelling Subscription
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:25:58 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <199606031655.MAA10666@grtk> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pmk3v$[e-mail]>
To: robert bowman <[e-mail]>



On 12 Jun 1996, robert bowman wrote:

> Uncle Wayne may beat strange drums, but he is a breath of fresh air in
> the world of ham radio. i'll let his comments on the boredom of the bands
> say it all.

I pretty much agree. Deep down, Wayne Green is a nice guy and it seems
that he'll say outrageous things sometimes just to get people stirred up
and talking.  I don't know whether he's doing that with some of his recent
bizarre (to me anyway) ravings, but he is apparently serious about cold
fusion.

From what I hear, he has invested so much in trying to keep his cold
fusion newsletter alive that it is dragging 73 down.  I'm also hearing
that he has falling way behind in making payments to authors and he's in
such deep financial trouble that 73 may be in its last days.  I don't know
whether that's true or not, but let's hope it isn't.

Agree with him or not, I would really hate to see Wayne loose his shirt,
especially after all these years of keeping the ARRL and others on their
toes.  Due to an oversight, I let my subscription expire a couple of
months ago, but I think I'll dig out the renewal form and send it in.
Thanks for the reminder.

73,
Tony Stalls, K4kYO




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:23 1996
From: [e-mail] (bandyopadhyay,asismoy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: License Requirements outside U.S.
Date: 10 Jun 1996 13:28:28 -0400
Message-ID: <4phlvs$[e-mail]>
References: <4p793t$[e-mail]>

In article <4p793t$[e-mail]>, KF6DGN <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am a recently licensed No Code Tech.  I have been reading the many Ham
>.............<snip>...............
>
>I hope to see responses from Hams outside the U.S. on their countries
>license requirements and what bands them are allowed to use.
>
>73
>David
>KF6DGN
>[e-mail]
>
>


Ham licensing in India:

        As I remember of the top of my head, there could be
some mistakes though. I have the rule book back at home and
could give you further details if needed.


        Types of licences:

                1. Short Wave Listener's Licence (SWL)
                   obtained by applying, must submit
                   proof of having listened to at least 40
                   2 way ham contacts during a year to renew
                   licence. This licence basically allows
                   one to keep a communication rx and listen
                   to the amateur communications only. Unlike USA,
                   using scanners to monitor anything other than
                   broadcast is illegal in India.

                2. Grade II, theory (Rules + Radio communication)
                   + 5 WPM morse code ( both Rx + Tx ). Does not have
                   access to voice communication on HF by default.
                   Have to submit proof of having made 100 2xway
                   CW only contacts before voice endorsement is
                   given on HF.

                3. Restricted Class, same theory as #2, No code.
                   Operation restricted to VHF and above. Grade II
                   examinees who fail in morse can apply for this
                   class of licence too.

                4. Grade I, theory (Rules + Radio communication)
                   + 12 WPM Morse. ( both Rx and Tx ).The theory
                   exam. is tougher than item #2. Allows you to
                   use more power than #2.

                5. Advanced, Same morse requirement as #4 but theory
                   is tougher than #4. Infact grade Is can sit only
                   for the theory part to get advanced class. Allows
                   you to use more power than #4.

Notes:

        1. You can directly appear for any class of exam. you like.
           Need not start from Grade II or SWL.

        2. #2, #4, #5 they all have access to the same bands and frequency
           limits, only TX power limit varies.

        3. bands are,

                160 M (partial & shared), 80M (partial& shared),
           40M ( 7.0-7.1 ), No 10 Mhz (mostly aeromobile control stations
           in this region, amateur lobby is not very strong and
           hence they won't move these stations). 20M ( 14.0 -14.350),
           18.068-18.168, 15M, 24Mhz, 10M ( 28 to 29.7), No 50 Mhz.
           But a special permission could be obtained by Advanced Class
           Licence Holders for a 3 month period. 144-146 Mhz, No 220 Mhz.
           70cm but not as wide as in USA. 1.2Ghz.

        4. Allows reciprocal licensing with the coutries having agreement
           ( USA is in the list ), have to take a VU callsign though.

        5. Call signs VU3XYZ - grade II
                      VU2XYZ and VU2XY - grade I and Advanced levels


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:24 1996
From: [e-mail] (bob puharic)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Lightning hits
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 18:59:07 GMT
Message-ID: <4pbq40$[e-mail]>
References: <4pbn6i$[e-mail]>

Bill Meara <[e-mail]> wrote:

>During a boring work meeting last week, I was staring out the window
>looking at a very tall building across the street. On top of the building
>were a number of tall towers festooned with lots of antennas.  We are on
>a coastal plan in the tropics, so this antenna complex must be an
>irresistable target for lightning.

ive visited a few commercial stations including one with a 1200' tower
in philly, and the commercial HF stn WOO in NJ. they often take direct
hits. the WOO antennas have spark gap lightening arresters leading to
ground. the stn in philly has wide copper flashing leading from the
antenna to ground.



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:25 1996
From: [e-mail] (BRAZOSVLLY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: looking for old ham friend
Date: 9 Jun 1996 19:27:37 -0400
Message-ID: <4pfml9$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (BRAZOSVLLY)

looking for the postal address or  phone number of  previous ham .
Name is Carl Kuhns.Used to live in greater Cleveland area. havent seen in
20+
years . Served together in Navy. Any replies please forward to, Howard at
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:26 1996
From: [e-mail] (KNusser)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: message
Date: 8 Jun 1996 18:14:32 -0400
Message-ID: <4pcu08$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (KNusser)

Hello here is DL1GAZ  my name is Karl-Heinz  my qth is villingen in the
black forest my rig is FT 767 GX  pwr 100 Watts  my ant. is 3 Elem.Beam
for 10/15/20m
Dipole for 40 and 80 mtr. and magn. Loop from 10-30mtr.
Dear OMs please send me message. Thanks for all and  73 de DL1GAZ
Karl-Heinz


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:27 1996
From: Thomas Foster <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Morse tutor...
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:12:20 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Hani Freiwat, M.Sc. wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Does anybody knows a source to a freeware/shareware morse training
> program on the "net" ?
>
> Many thanks in Advance!
>
> Hani Freiwat


Hani,

Try the International Morse Code Processor v3.1 at Keith Peterson's
SimTel.Net. The address is

   http://www.simtel.net/simtel.net/win3/ham.html

The file is IMCPW31.ZIP and is shareware. This Windows-based program
allows you to train at speeds from 3-50 wpm. It also allows you to
customize the various code attributes. A sound card is not required.

Best regards,
Lindsay



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:28 1996
From: Chris Knauer <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: National SKYWARN Homepage
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 08:40:37 -0600
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

The National SKYWARN Homepage is now up and running at
http://www.skywarn.org/skywarn.  The site is a national respository of
sites pertinent to SKYWARN members and general weather watchers
throughout the United States. Feel free to look around and submit your
comments!

Chris Knauer
Webmaster
National SKYWARN Homepage   www.skywarn.org/skywarn


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:29 1996
From: [e-mail] (Daren349)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need frequencies for southeast Tennessee
Date: 11 Jun 1996 15:17:02 -0400
Message-ID: <4pkgne$[e-mail]>

Can someone supply me some good frequencies for the Southeast of Tn? I
need input and receive frequencies along with pl tones if possible. Also
if someone could tell me a good computer disc with frequencies and where
to purchase it I would greatly appreciate
it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Daren Brantley


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:29 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need help about packet radio, etc.
Date: 11 Jun 96 15:47:51 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Hello,

Where can I find information about ham packet radio operators?  I am intereste
d
in building a small packet readio network.  Also what are the appropriate
exams, etc. for obtaining a license.  Thanks,
Goorha


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:30 1996
From: [e-mail] (Daren349)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need Mod. for FT51r
Date: 11 Jun 1996 15:16:14 -0400
Message-ID: <4pkglu$[e-mail]>

I am in need of this modification for this radio. Can anyone supply this
to me?Thanks in advance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Daren Brantley


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:31 1996
From: [e-mail] (S.G)
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,sci.physics.electromag,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need to Calculate Inductance of Special Coil
Date: 12 Jun 1996 01:00:20 GMT
Message-ID: <4pl4r4$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>I need the find the equations to be used to calculate the inductance of
>a coil wound out of copper strap -- imagine a roll of electrical tape,
>where the tape was replaced by (insulated) copper strap of shape similar
>to the tape.  None of the reference books I have seen seem to cover this
>configuration.
>
>Any help is appreciated.   Please reply via email.
>
>Thanks.
>
>- Barry
    I believe I saw a program that sized Telsa coils that would give you
inductance, resonant freq. etc. I found it doing a excite search on telsa
coils. It is freeware and it works really well. Sorry I don't have the web
address. Good luck.



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:32 1996
From: [e-mail] (Pikepole)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NEED-Manual Heathkit C-2 Cap Checker
Date: 12 Jun 1996 09:54:00 -0400
Message-ID: <4pmi5o$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Pikepole)

Need a manual or schematic for Heathkit C-2 capacitance checker.
Any help appreciated, 73 and thanks!


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:33 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steve Morao)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: New Web Page
Date: 10 Jun 1996 10:45:01 GMT
Message-ID: <4pgubd$[e-mail]>

hello Gang...
I just setup two new web pages...
first mine: http://www.bridge.net/~yv5dta
and the SFDXA web page: http://www.bridge.net/~yv5dta/sfdxa.htm

Come and check it out!!


Steve
W4/YV5DTA
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:36 1996
From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: New York Governor Proclaims "Amateur Radio Week"
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 18:52:48 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I am pleased to announce that the Governor of the State of New York has issued
a proclamation commending amateur radio operators, recognizing Field Day, and
designating June 16-23, 1996, as "Amateur Radio Week".  Please give this
bulletin the widest possible distribution on nets, during bulletin
announcements, through the National Traffic System, and on AX.25 packet
forwarding systems throughout New York.  The official text of the proclamation
is included herewith.

Thanks and 73.
Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB
ARRL ENY Section PIC




                               State of New York

                               Executive Chamber



               The State of New York has more than 37,000 licensed
          amateur radio operators who have demonstrated their value
          in public assistance by providing emergency radio
          communications.

               The Amateur Radio Operators provide educational
          opportunities for young people through the Shuttle Amateur
          Radio Experiment, which brings the voices of space shuttle
          astronauts into our classrooms.  They donate these
          services free of charge to federal, state and local
          emergency service agencies in the interest of the citizens
          of the Empire State.

               Amateur Radio Operators are on alert for any
          emergency, local or worldwide, and practice their
          communications skills during the American Radio Relay
          League's field day exercise.

               This year's amateur radio field day will take place
          the weekend of June 22-23, 1996.

               NOW, THEREFORE, I, George E. Pataki, Governor of the
          State of New York, do hereby recognize June 16-23, 1996 as

                              AMATEUR RADIO WEEK

          in recognition of this important emergency preparedness
          exercise and call upon all citizens to pay tribute to the
          amateur radio operators of the Empire State.


                                               /s/
                                               George E. Pataki
                                               Governor



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:37 1996
From: [e-mail] (Frank Dinger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Nickel-Metal Hydride Batteries
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:17:00 +0100
Message-ID: <4pncab$[e-mail]>

Hello all, Some time ago I responded to a thread in a GPS newsgroup
stating that my Garmin 40 device is powered by 4 type AA  NiMH
batteries, since they have more than twice the capacity of type AA
NiCad batteries.
One response  I received commented that NiMH batteries only have the
high capacity if used with a stable load . This type of battery would
not be all that suitable for use with a say 5 Watts HT because of the
large change in load  when switching from rx to tx ,etc.
However in QST -June 96 - page 140 ,NiMH battery packs are advertised
for a number of well known HTs.
This contradicts the above.
Does anybody reading this newsgroup has any experience with NiMH
batteries used with HTs or QRP transceivers ?
Any relevant response will be much appreciated.

Frank Dinger , Inver by Tain , Ross-shire IV20 1RX - Scotland UK
e-mail :  [e-mail]
Packet :  GM0CSZ @ GB7NOS.#76.GBR.EU




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:38 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NiMH charge rates for AA cells ??
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:03:58 GMT
Message-ID: <4phsbb$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

I have got some AA size NiMH cells and wonder what the charge rate is,
any info most appreciated.
Johnston



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:39 1996
From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NiMH charge rates for AA cells ??
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 20:14:39 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4phsbb$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

In article <4phsbb$[e-mail]> [e-mail]  writes:

> I have got some AA size NiMH cells and wonder what the charge rate is,
> any info most appreciated.

Charge at a current of Ah capacity divided by 10 hours for 14 hours.  The
AA's come in 1100mAh and 1200mAh and these would charge at 110 mA and 120
mA respectively.

Important warning: these are rated to operate at a 3.6A maximum discharge
rate and when shorted can pass several times this.  So if you use them in
place of Alkalines or Zinc Carbons, you MUST ensure that the system is
fused or you may have your 4th of July a month early.  An HT is a very
expensive fuse.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:40 1996
From: [e-mail] (Rick Kissell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Old cartoon QSL ("There Oughta Be a Law"?)
Date: 8 Jun 1996 23:41:17 -0500
Distribution: na
Message-ID: <4pdkld$[e-mail]>

Does anyone have a QSL bearing an old cartoon (perhaps from the "There Oughta
Be a Law" strip, but I'm not sure) on the theme of "Pity the poor ham radio
operator"?  It showed hams being blamed for everything under the sun (TVI,
etc.).

I remember seeing (back in the early 1970s) old QSLs with that cartoon
reproduced on it, so I guess the cartoon itself dated from (at least) the
1960s or 1950s.

TNX ES 73,

Rick WB9GYT


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:40 1996
From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Old cartoon QSL ("There Oughta Be a Law"?)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 00:16:55 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4pdkld$[e-mail]>

I have seen it in the shack of Stan Israel, WA2BAH.  Stan's address is in
Schenectady, New York and he's good in any recent callbook.  I don't have his
phone number, but it is listed to my knowledge.  It would be area code 518.
Just saw it in his shack less than a month ago and I'm sure he'd be glad to
send you a copy (even if you do mention my name!).

73 de Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB
Stillwater, NY


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:42 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
Subject: Re: Old cartoon QSL ("There Oughta Be a Law"?)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4pdkld$[e-mail]>
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:49:20 GMT

[e-mail] (Rick Kissell) writes:

>Does anyone have a QSL bearing an old cartoon (perhaps from the "There Oughta
>Be a Law" strip, but I'm not sure) on the theme of "Pity the poor ham radio
>operator"?  It showed hams being blamed for everything under the sun (TVI,
>etc.).

It was from "Hatlo's 'They'll do it everytime'" cartoon strip. My elmer had
a copy of it on his shack wall.

Showed a ham getting blamed for all sorts of things in the neighborhood
including "I hear he's even messing with the Doctor's diathermy machine!"

As they'd say, "And a tip-o-the-hat to Roland Peebles, WB6BPY"

73 es GM from Jeff

--
 Amateur: WA6FWI@WA6FWI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NA  |  "It is difficult to imagine our
Internet: [e-mail]       |  universe run by a single omni-
 US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749   |  potent god. I see it more as a
   Phone: [phone]               |  badly run corporation."



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:44 1996
From: Mike Wright <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: sci.lang,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Phonetic alphabets (Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta) (revised)
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 16:36:46 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4nvi09$[e-mail]> <4od75n$[e-mail]> <4p1ouo$[e-mail]> <4p4vgu$[e-mail]>

Jim Weir wrote:

> [e-mail] (Edmund Grimley-Evans) shared the following
> priceless pearls of wisdom:
> ->Oh no, not again ...

> I still like mine --

> aeon, bdellium, cereal, Djakarta, euphoria, futtock, gnome, hour, Ian,
>  jalepe±o, knee, llama, mnemonic, ngami, Oedipus, pneumonia, Quito,
>  Roentgen, sforzando, Tchaikovsky, uranium, verisimilitude, wretch,
>  xylophone, yclept, zloty.

> Jim Weir VP Engineering | You bet your sweet patootie I speak for the
> RST Engineering         | company.  If I don't, ain't nobody gonna.
> Grass Valley CA 95945   |
> http://www.rst-engr.com | AR Adv WB6BHI--FCC 1st phone---Cessna 182A N73CQ
> [e-mail]        | Commercial/CFI-Airplane/Glider-A&P-FAA Counselor

I hope you use yours when landing your Cessna at foreign airports. :-)

Mike Wright




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:45 1996
From: KD6FYK <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with the name of "rec.radio.swap"
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 15:21:29 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4p1uta$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Erik K.Sorgatz wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
writes:
> >Jim mentions the name "rec.radio.swap" - talk about a misnamed group!
> >Swap means to exchange items. There is *very* little exchanging of
> >radios taking place on there. Over 95% of the traffic consists of
> >FS (for-sale) and WTB (want-to-buy) articles. Buying or selling
> >is not equivalent to swapping (unless you include swapping cash
> >for a radio).
> >
> >Jeff KH2PZ / KH6
>
>  GOOD POINTS! And better than 50% of the postings are for used
> commercial gear, which is fine with me..since some of that stuff
> makes awesome mobile, packet and repeater stations!
>
>  Unfortunately we also see an awful lot of ILLEGAL CB stuff too,
> modified radios and splatterbox-amps! GFL trying to keep the
> morons out of here...sigh.
>
>  I somehow doubt the collective community would be willing to
> change the name to 'rec.radio.forsale'....but that's what I would
> favor - with a change to the charter such that:
>
> "..postings for contraban are NOT ACCEPTABLE! This includes any form of
> equipment that has been modified, where the intended service requires
> that the equipment be type-accepted, or certified for use by the FCC or
> it's equivalent agency."
>
>  This would be fair warning to the contraban sellers that using the
> newsgroup to sell their ILLEGAL merchandise would be considered a
> 'hanging-offense'! ;)
>
> 73!
>
>
> [e-mail] (or:[e-mail]) KB6LUY (private email:eks@west
world.com)
> TTI 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. Santa Monica, CA  90405
> "ANY COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS MADE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF CITICORP, ITS
SUBSIDIARIES
> OR AFFILIATES." (Copyright 1995, ARR-permission to store/archive hereby gran
ted)


yes it's obvious someone has a problem.


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:46 1996
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Problem with the name of "rec.radio.swap"
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 06:57:34 GMT

Jay Maynard <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[I missed the original...so I'll reply to both Jeff and Erik here.]

Then I wish you would have gone back and read the original!

>[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writ

>>Jim mentions the name "rec.radio.swap" - talk about a misnamed group!
>>Swap means to exchange items. There is *very* little exchanging of
>>radios taking place on there.

>Give me an expurgated break. Do you picket swapfests because very little
>swapping, according to your definition, goes on inside? I just got back from
>Ham-Com, which has one of the biggest swapfests around; I bought a radio and
>sold some computer stuff...are you telling me I shouldn't have done it the
>way I did, which involved selling and buying instead of swapping?

The original thread concerned whether "boatanchors" is a descriptive
enough name for a new newsgroup. Proponents have been pointing out
"misnamed" newsgroups that already exist. .Swap is one of them. Don't
get so defensive, Jay.

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:47 1996
From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problems with MFJ-949E
Date: 10 Jun 1996 22:16:02 -0700
Message-ID: <4pivei$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Connie Hulst <[e-mail]> wrote:
: Kind of inconvenient having to
: take apart the whole tuner every month to change the diodes ;)  any
: suggestions?

Insulated antenna wire would help. I solved the problem with a
balun. If a balun or unun has a near DC short across the
feedline, the static electricity will be discharged before it
can destroy the diodes.

73, Cecil, KG7BK (W6RCA soon), OOTC



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:48 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Problems with MFJ-949E
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:45:56 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> Connie Hulst <[e-mail]
rcomm.com> writes:
>
>I have had some quite severe problems with losing the diodes in the
>MFJ-949E (I think that's what it is) antenna tuner.  It seems to me that
>the static electricity building up on my dipoles destroys the diodes
>(the static is quite severe.)  However, several other hams in my club
>have 949s and never had this problem.
>
>The diodes were 1N34 originally, but I was later told to try 1N4148
>diodes (which work just as poorly).  Kind of inconvenient having to
>take apart the whole tuner every month to change the diodes ;)  any
>suggestions?

Yeah, fix the static problem. A 100k resistor from the inner conductor
of your leadin (assuming coax, otherwise from both conductors of a ladder
line) to Earth will protect the diodes from static buildup. The impedance
presented to RF by the 100k resistor will be high enough not to affect
normal operation.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:50 1996
From: [e-mail] (CBreaux367)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack Bangers - Try This
Date: 11 Jun 1996 07:14:41 -0400
Message-ID: <4pjkf1$[e-mail]>
References: <4pc124$[e-mail]>

DITTO

HamRadio


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:51 1996
From: [e-mail] (CBreaux367)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack Bangers - Try This
Date: 11 Jun 1996 07:14:41 -0400
Message-ID: <4pjkf1$[e-mail]>
References: <4pc124$[e-mail]>

DITTO.

HamRadio


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:51 1996
From: [e-mail](Hell Rider)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack-You've got questions?-We've got BLANK STARES!
Date: 9 Jun 1996 02:10:13 GMT
Message-ID: <4pdbq5$[e-mail]>
References: <4pc127$[e-mail]>

On Jun 08, 1996 13:03:06 in article <Re: Radio Shack-You've got
questions?-We've got BLANK STARES!>, '[e-mail] (Jim
Kehler)' wrote:


>Sounds like a pretty honest answer to me. Would you rather he lied and
>pretended he knew what you were talking about ?
>
>Probably 60% of todays hams would give you the same answer, that's
>scary, huh.......
>
>73, Jim KH2D
>
>
>
>
>

I feel really stupid asking this but I may have an excuse since I haven't
finished studying for my first licence.  But what exactly is a bridge?  I
DO know what an SWR meter is, though.




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:52 1996
From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack-You've got questions?-We've got BLANK STARES!
Date: 9 Jun 1996 21:21:20 -0400
Message-ID: <4pftag$[e-mail]>
References: <4j1egi$[e-mail]> <4pc127$[e-mail]> <4pfaa6$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
        A.G. von Luternow <[e-mail]> wrote:

>        Ask about the computer on display. Can I up-grade the
>processor? What sort of RAM does it use? Does it have an on-board
>cache?

Once when I was standing in line to pay for some parts I overheard
the RS salesdroid explaining to a customer how buying a computer
would help him avoid an IRS audit because "the IRS doesn't audit
people who do their taxes on their computer."

MD
--
--
--  "I have more guns than I need, and less guns than I want." -- Phil Graam
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:53 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: Bill Starkgraf <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Research An old call
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (WPS)
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:12:04 GMT

I hope this helps.  I got this from the on-line database that
hte FCC has.
And to give credit to where it is due, I used the interface at the
University of Arkansas Little Rock.  I did not write the database
SQL.  Anyway here is what I found:

W0AW               MEYER, PETER D                           LIC
ISU  7-JUN-1996
EXTRA              RR 1                                     LIC
EXP  7-JUN-2006
DOB 12-DEC-1961    VERNDALE             MN  56481           LST
UPD  7-JUN-1996
                   (PREVIOUSLY N0AFW, ADVANCED)


73,

Bill, KD6UQB

>==========Hans Brakob, 6/12/96==========
>
>
>For anyone out there with *old* callbooks, or tremendous memories,
>I am looking for information about holder(s) of the expired call
>W0AW.  Who were they, where did they live, still active under
>another callsign, etc?
>
>Thanks, de Hans K0HB
>
>
>


Bill Starkgraf,   KD6UQB
[e-mail]
AT&T Global Information Solutions
El Segundo, CA


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:54 1996
From: [e-mail] (Don Murray)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.swap
Subject: RF Concepts repair phone # needed
Date: 12 Jun 1996 19:16:04 GMT
Message-ID: <4pn51k$[e-mail]>

Hello and thanks for reading this..

I have a RF Concepts RFC 2-317 amp that I need to get some work done on.. The
number I have for RF Concepts in Gilroy, Ca is no longer valid and information

is unable to locate a listing.  I would appreciate it if anyone with an RF
Concepts Amp would kindly look in their manual for the companies phone number
and post it here for me..

Thanks,
Don AE4BR



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:55 1996
From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Setup a Sched with someone on 80m
Date: 12 Jun 1996 14:52:59 GMT
Message-ID: <4pmlkb$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Frank :-) Sved)



If someone would like to setup a sched on 80m email me.
I'd like to try out an old Drake.

--
                 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
                 +++     Frank Sved VE3GID      +++
                 +++  [e-mail] +++
                 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:56 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Darryl Graham)
Subject: There's a new Radio Comms web site in Australia
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 15:12:40 GMT

Hi all

There's a new Radio Comms web site in Australia that deals with all types of
radio communication in Australia. The web site is currently under construction

 and is very limited, but it will have some good links.

It's worth a look.

The URL is:- http://iccu6.ipswich.gil.com.au/~dgraham
    or try:- http://www.gil.com.au/~dgraham


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:56 1996
From: stewart <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: TS-450S Filters
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:51:24 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Can ayone please suggest which filters I may want to add to my Kenwood
TS-450S HF rig ??  I work mostly SSB and some TTY (rarely).  I am
looking for better selectivity and QRM rejection.  Any thoughts on which
filters to buy for the rig will be most appreciated.

Thanks,
Bill Stewart, N4CRO
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:58 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Tsunami info for Calif
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 06:34:44 GMT

Just so you folks on the West Coast don't feel left out...  (Hey Brian
Kantor, why don't you go to the beach and watch the wave?)
Jeff KH2PZ/KH6


From [e-mail] Jun  9 20:28:26 1996
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 19:33:13 -1000
From: EDIS Gateway <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: 665 613-614-612-611-WAC073-057-061-029-055-033-053-067-045-035-

TSUNAMI BULLETIN NUMBER 2
ALASKA TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER/NOAA/NWS
ISSUED JUN 10 AT 0514 UTC

 ..A TSUNAMI WARNING AND WATCH ARE IN EFFECT...
THIS IS A TSUNAMI WARNING FOR THE COASTAL AREAS FROM
KODIAK, AK. TO ATTU, AK., INCLUSIVE.
A TSUNAMI WATCH IS IN EFFECT FROM POINT SUR, CA. TO KODIAK,
AK.  THE WATCH AND WARNING AREAS HAVE NOT CHANGED.
AT THIS TIME, THIS BULLETIN IS FOR INFORMATION ONLY FOR
OTHER AREAS OF CALIFORNIA.
AN EARTHQUAKE, REVISED PRELIMINARY MAGNITUDE 7.7, OCCURRED AT
2004 ADT ON JUN 9, OR 2104 PDT ON JUN 9, OR 0404 UTC ON JUN 10.
THE EARTHQUAKE WAS LOCATED 50 MILES SW OF ADAK, AK.
OR 145 MILES E OF AMCHITKA, AK. REVISED AT 51.5N, 177.6W.
EVALUATION: A TSUNAMI HAS BEEN GENERATED WHICH COULD CAUSE
DAMAGE TO THE PACIFIC COAST.  TSUNAMI WAVE HEIGHTS CANNOT BE
PREDICTED AND MAY BE A SERIES OF WAVES WHICH COULD BE DANGEROUS
FOR SEVERAL HOURS AFTER THE INITIAL WAVES ARRIVAL.
WAVE HEIGHTS HAVE BEEN RECORDED AT THE FOLLOWING TIDE GAGES:
A WAVE HAS BEEN OBSERVED AT ADAK 50CM/1.6FT.

ESTIMATED TIMES OF ARRIVAL FOR WATCH/WARNING AREAS:
SAN FRANCISCO   0346 PDT JUN 10   YAKUTAT         0005 ADT JUN 10
CRESCENT CITY   0302 PDT JUN 10   CORDOVA         0025 ADT JUN 10
CHARLESTON      0255 PDT JUN 10   VALDEZ          0015 ADT JUN 10
SEASIDE         0303 PDT JUN 10   SEWARD          2353 ADT JUN 9
ASTORIA         0326 PDT JUN 10   HOMER           0048 ADT JUN 10
NEAH BAY        0251 PDT JUN 10   KODIAK          2326 ADT JUN 9
TOFINO          0240 PDT JUN 10   SAND PT.        2238 ADT JUN 9
LANGARA         0113 PDT JUN 10   COLD BAY        2304 ADT JUN 9
KETCHIKAN       0126 ADT JUN 10   DUTCH HARBOR    2157 ADT JUN 9
SITKA           0007 ADT JUN 10   ADAK            2043 ADT JUN 9
JUNEAU          0128 ADT JUN 10   SHEMYA          2110 ADT JUN 9

FOR INFORMATION ONLY:
LA JOLLA        0419 PDT JUN 10   SAN PEDRO       0408 PDT JUN 10
BULLETINS WILL BE ISSUED HOURLY OR SOONER IF CONDITIONS WARRANT.
THE TSUNAMI WARNING WILL REMAIN IN EFFECT UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.

EDIS-06-09-96 2219 PDT


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:58 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Russ)
Subject: Re: VE7TCP ???
Message-ID: <6a7cc$[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:34:40 GMT
References: <4pc9oq$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Georg Einfalt) wrote:

:>Since several days I don't receive any more messages from the
:>VE7TCP-reflector, and when accessing with http the browser returns a
:>"not responding message". Does anyone have an information, if the
:>reflector is down and when it will be online again?
:>73, de Georg DL5NO

Hello Georg, same thing on my end too. Must be a change in hardware or
something. Question is, will all messages that have been sent to the
server be posted or bounced when it does come back online?



Russ  [e-mail]
      N5EJS@WG5W.#CENLA.LA.USA.NA





From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:09:59 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Reisert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VE7TCP ???
Date: 11 Jun 1996 03:59:40 GMT
Message-ID: <4piqvc$[e-mail]>
References: <4pc9oq$[e-mail]><4pc9oq$[e-mail]> <6a7cc$[e-mail]>

ve7tcp.ampr.org came back up some time Monday, 6/10.  You should have a
bazillion messages in your mailbox by now!

--
Jim Reisert <[e-mail]>
http://www.tiac.net/users/ad1c/



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:10:00 1996
From: [e-mail] (Lyndon Nerenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VE7TCP ???
Date: 14 Jun 1996 04:17:03 -0700
Message-ID: <4prhnf$[e-mail]>
References: <4pc9oq$[e-mail]> <6a7cc$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Russ) writes:

>Hello Georg, same thing on my end too. Must be a change in hardware or
>something.

Umm ... I think I sent out enough mail about the upgrade to give
everyone *plenty* of warning.

>Question is, will all messages that have been sent to the
>server be posted or bounced when it does come back online?

The mail system is set up to park mail at an alternate site if
and when the server goes down. The bottom line, though, is "if you
saw your mail come back after you started seeing other mailing list
traffic, it went through. Otherwise, resend it."

Unfortunately I ran into some hardware problems with the new motherboard
that really messed things up for a few days. I suspect some mail was
lost, but have no way of knowing for sure.

--lyndon




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:10:01 1996
From: Chris Boone <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: W4kfc To be heard again!
Date: 12 Jun 1996 21:23:56 GMT
Message-ID: <4pnchc$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Hans Brakob) wrote:
>
>The following was noted while browsing the list of reissued calls
>under the vanity program.
>
>I hope this fellow is half the contester that the previous holder
>was.  In any case, it will be a thrill to hear that call again!
>
>
>New Call    Name                         Old Call   Class
>--------    ----                         --------   -----
> W4KFC      Kenneth N. Clark              K4OKZ     Extra
>
>
>73, de Hans, K0HB
>
>
>
Hans,

Where does one get the list? I take it that its available on the web from
the FCC?

Tnx
Chris
WB5ITT

(and still on Fido of course)





From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:10:02 1996
From: [e-mail] (Paul Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Want Ham exam generator program
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 13:56:36 GMT
Message-ID: <4pc0tp$[e-mail]>

A friend of mine wants a program that generates exams for the General
class license. I used one in the past that gave the ability to stop
asking questions after a defined number of correct answers.

I looked on shareware sites, but did not find one that is current. I
think the General question pool was modified July 1994. I did find
several Web pages that generated exams, but my friend needs one that
you can use without an Internet connection.

73,

Paul Ferguson
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:10:03 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (charles copeland)
Subject: Re: Want Ham exam generator program
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4pc0tp$[e-mail]> <4ped4l$[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:00:22 GMT

In article <4ped4l$[e-mail]>,
Jim Kehler <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Paul Ferguson) wrote:
>
>>A friend of mine wants a program that generates exams for the General
>>class license. I used one in the past that gave the ability to stop
>>asking questions after a defined number of correct answers.
>
>W5YI use to sell them, I be surprised if he still doesn't.

Try Morse Academy (MA52B.ZIP).  It generates exams, and the
best morse teacher I've found.




From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:10:04 1996
From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Wanted: Russian Language QSO Guide
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 01:59:52 GMT
Message-ID: <4p82vi$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Ian Wade <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Years ago I had a "Ham's Interpreter" book, containing 1001 "useful"
>phrases for conducting QSOs in several languages. Does such a book still
>exist anywhere, as I want to brush up my Russian?

>73
>Ian, G3NRW
Hi Ian,
     Len Traubman, W6HJK, puts out a book called Russian Phrases for
Amateur Radio, which he sells worldwide for $8.00.  I believe he
donates the money to a world peace organization. His address is 1448
Cedarwood Drive, San Mateo, California, 94403. I hope this helps.
  Gus..wa6wbc..



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:10:05 1996
From: Kevin Jessup <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What do the LEOs want to put on MSS
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 13:04:53 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4p8q3e$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] wrote:

> Teledesic (the company developing this stuff) estimates the
> following throughput for each satt - 18k simultaneous voice channels, 18
> simultaneous T-1 channels, or any combination of these depending on usage.
> Impressive - but is everyone gonna give up their cellphones, pagers, PDA's
> to use this technology?

Yes, because one handlheld unit will do all that and more.

When analog cell phones first came out they were very expensive,
as was access time.  Cell phone hardware is now basically free and the
service is relatively inexpensive (given the mobility and coverage)
and the price of access time continues to drop.  I expect nothing
less from the LEOs in ten years.

It won't stop till everyone has wireless handheld multimedia
internet access.  Ever hear of Java, the latest
object based and internet ready programming language that
is sweeping the software engineering community?  It offers
far more that fancy animated web pages.  It's main advantage
is client-server (bi-directional) based data access via
transparently downloaded and executed programs (applets).
And a JAVA phone has been announced!  A company is combining a
handeheld digital cellular phone with an embedded Java web
browser!!  Of course this will apply to land-based cell systems.
Expect LEOs to do as well and provide uniquitous worldwide coverage.

> And, yes, what about IBM's wireless , not to
> mention Motorola's Iridium system?

Competition is good.

>Huge bandwidth for how many users?

Far more than narrow band techniques can provide,
with far more services than analog can provide.

> And what happens to the 2300mhz PCS systems (just barely in service here
> in the US, but widespread in Europe).

Let it all evolve in the free market and see which technology wins.

> As for bands to plunder, what about the feds at 225-400 Mhz, TV channels
> 70-83 (share with trunked/cellular), plus the spectrum from 1200-2000mhz
> (share with other satellites, radiolocation, etc.) - leo satts would work
> fine in any of these - but not very well at 144 or 440 mhz due to propagatio
n
> problems.

I agree as far as 2-meters.

- Kevin, n9sqb


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:10:06 1996
From: [e-mail] (Alan Gollom)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What do the LEOs want to put on MSS
Date: 7 Jun 1996 23:35:46 GMT
Message-ID: <4paeci$[e-mail]>
References: <4p8j05$[e-mail]>

In article <4p8j05$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>In all of the brouhaha, one thing that I haven't yet seen is what service
>the Little LEOs plan to put on their proposed satellite mobile land
>service band that they eventually get.  (I don't mean to sound cynical,
>but money buys bands.  Remember 220 MHz!)

220 Mhz isn't exactly flooded with users, where as 2 meters and
70 cm are.  Like the saying goes, you don't use it, you lose it.
2m and 70cm are NOT going to be given away and anyone
who thinks so has been sitting too close to their antennas.

Alan VE3XAG



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:10:07 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: What do the LEOs want to put on MSS
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <[e-mail]> <4pgbmv$[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:31:48 GMT

In article <4pgbmv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Teacherjh) wr
ites:
>Do the LEOs =really= need a worldwide allocation?  If the satelites have a
>small footprint, and several bands were available, the satellites could
>switch bands as their footprint moved over the planet.  A bit of compuer
>needed, no doubt, but that's easy (and getting easier).  More bands mean
>more radio in the satellite (heavier), but also more flexibility with
>harmonics and interference?

More likely a greater nightmare. The LEO sat would have to switch
absolutely reliably several times each orbit for this to work. If
the system suffered a SEU, it could generate interference to other
services until it could be shutdown and reset (*if* it could be
shutdown and reset, look at Oscar 10, it does what it wants and
we can't do a thing about it). Great pains are taken to make sure
satellites *can't* cause such interference currently by not allowing
them to be frequency agile into bands where other services operate.

Every effort is made to make satellites reliable, but that costs
big bucks, and every additional system on the satellite multiplies
the reliability problem. No system is perfect, so the satellites
are designed to fail safe, but that's not always possible either,
so they are designed to at least fail with the least harm to other
spectrum users. If a satellite doesn't have the capability to do
something potentially harmful, then that's one less failure mode to
worry about.

While such a frequency agile satellite is certainly possible (though
the antenna situation might be a problem on a microsat sized platform),
I don't see any responsible administration licensing such a system in
the near future.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:10:09 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: Patrick Mosterd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Who to contact for TX/RX-permit in the states ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:33:51 GMT

Hi,

I'm stuck in Colorado for 6 months and,ofcourse, I want to use my HT.
Who do I need to contact and what do I need to ask to get a permit.

Thanks in advance.

Patrick, PE1NTU



From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:10:10 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Will pirates save 2 meters?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <4pfiad$[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:40:45 GMT

In article <4pfiad$[e-mail]> Bill Meara <[e-mail]
.do> writes:
>I've been following (sort of) the discussions about the LEO threat to the
>2 meter band.  I've been thinking about this.  Given the fact that all
>around the world, the two meter band is populated by pirates (cab drivers
>etc.), it seems to me that this would not be the best place to operate
>the new LEO satellite systems.  While the authorities could probably move
>us law abiding hams off the band, they'd be hard pressed to move the
>pirates (who are already violating the law!)  Seems two meters might be
>saved by the pirates.   Any ideas on this?

Yeah, ironic isn't it. While we can make high sounding claims for
retention of 2m and 70cm by amateurs, the hard fact is that it is
the spectre of those bands becoming an unregulatable mass of pirates,
like 11m, without the moderating presence of legitimate amateurs that
is our real ace in the hole here.

Our peer pressure causes potential pirates to self-police to a much
greater degree than many realize. We have our problem children, but
we're still much better behaved than we might be because we insist
on others using their real names and standing up and being recognized
in the community for their actions (and hunting them down if they
won't). Without that, it would be bedlam.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 14 12:10:11 1996
From: [e-mail] (Hans Brakob)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Wrc97 Comment procedures
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 12:41:49 -0100

PROCEDURES FOR SUBMITTING COMMENTS TO THE WRC-97 ADVISORY
                          COMMITTEE
-
-
On March 14, 1996, the Commission released Public Notice (No.
61997) (Streamlining Notice), that announced its new
streamlined World Radiocommunication Conference (WRC)
preparatory process.  Under this new process, formal Notice
of Inquiry (NOI) proceedings are eliminated in favor of
developing WRC proposals in the Commission's WRC-97 Advisory
Committee.  This removes the redundancy that was inherent in
our previous "NOI-WRC Advisory Committee" process and enables
the United States to respond more effectively to the rapidly
evolving international environment and to the ITU's new two-
year WRC schedule.
-
The Streamlining Notice included general guidelines for
submission of public comments to the Advisory Committee.  The
Notice stated that procedures would be developed to ensure
that members of the public continue to have full opportunity
to participate in the development of WRC proposals under the
new streamlined process, including those parties who do not
attend meetings of the Advisory Committee and IWGs.
-
Since the release of the Streamlining Notice, we have gained
experience with our new process.  We now provide these
procedures for submitting comments to the Advisory Committee.
-
     Comments on Ongoing Advisory Committee Matters: Parties
that wish to comment on the ongoing deliberations of the
Advisory Committee and its IWGs may do so at any time.
-
     Comments on Preliminary Proposals:  As announced in the
Streamlining Notice, preliminary WRC proposals developed
by the Advisory Committee will be released   by the
Commission in  periodic Public Notices.  These Public Notices
will allow an opportunity for public comment and will
provide the appropriate  procedures, such as filing
deadlines, to be followed.
-
In either case, parties wishing their comments to be
considered directly by the appropriate Advisory Committee
group and to become part of the Advisory Committee's public
record should submit their comments in writing to Office of
the Secretary, Federal Communications Commission, Washington,
D.C. 20554, or by e-mail at "[e-mail]."  Commenters are
requested to file an original plus one copy.
-
The comment should reference the Advisory Committee public
record file number, "Reference No. ISP-96-005" and the
appropriate Advisory Committee Informal Working Group, if
known, in which their submission should be considered.  The
FCC staff will ensure that comments filed are considered in
the appropriate groups.
n - - - - -
n Note from forwarder:
n The Informal Working Group for little LEOs is IWG2a.
n - - - -
For the most expeditious and efficient consideration of their
comments, parties should refrain from filing comments
directly with the Chair of the WRC-97 Advisory Committee,
with the Chairs and Vice-Chairs of the Informal Working
Groups, with individual FCC staff members or private sector
participants in the Advisory Committee process.
-
For additional information, contact Cecily C. Holiday,
Federal Officer of the WRC-97 Advisory Committee, or Damon C.
Ladson, Alternate Federal Officer at [phone], or
consult the WRC-97 Homepage on the Internet
(http://www.fcc.gov/ib/wrc97/).




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:36 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 10 meters wide open ALL day from Florida!
Date: 12 Jun 1996 03:33:42 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4pldqm$[e-mail]>

Wow!  It's been awhile since I heard 10 open this strong, across this
wide of an area, and for this length of time.  Turned the scanner on
about 1:00pm local time and it stopped on THREE separate FM repeaters
that I had programmed into it!  Time to get to the radio!  Band was open
until 11:00pm here...from 28.3-28.5, there was a station (or two, or
three, or more) every 5Khz.  All 10-FM repeater frequencies were active
with S-9+20 peaks on the 29.620 (Boston) and 29.660 (Godfrey, IL)  Looks
like the cycle has finally "bottomed out", and we've turned the corner!

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:37 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10/10# - where can I get one?
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 05:47:59 GMT
Message-ID: <4ptm7h$[e-mail]>
References: <4pmjs6$[e-mail]> <4pprks$[e-mail]> <4pq3vd$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Dean) wrote:

>Your rudeness is uncalled for and I am sorry that someone might
>believe that you represent the ham community.  Heaven help us all BUT
>maybe it does explain Kenwood's recent proclamations.  Ham radio is
>indeed dead!
>              C. Dean Norris
>      Amateur Radio Station K7NO
>      e-mail to [e-mail]
>    http://www.syspac.com/~dnorris/

Mr. Norris, your sense of humor is indeed dead !
Lighten up, this isn't church, this is internet.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:38 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10/10# - where can I get one?
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 02:11:22 GMT
Message-ID: <4pq76t$[e-mail]>
References: <4pmjs6$[e-mail]> <4pprks$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Excuse my follow-up to my own post...just wanted to mention
that I e-mailed Fred privately and gave him the correct
information...so...before anyone drops any flames...#1. Mind
your own business....#2. Stick it in your ear.  hehehehehe

===========================================
cheers! jim martin, wk1v
lowell, mass
http://www.shore.net/~jjmartin/jjm.htm



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:39 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10/10# - where can I get one?
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:54:03 GMT
Message-ID: <4pprks$[e-mail]>
References: <4pmjs6$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Fred Dunstan iii) wrote:

>I've just received my tech plus and have heard many of the hams on 10
>meters exchanging 10/10 numbers.  What are the awards and how can I get
>one.

I got mine at Walmart, in the stereo section. :)
===========================================
cheers! jim martin, wk1v
lowell, mass
http://www.shore.net/~jjmartin/jjm.htm



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:40 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10/10# - where can I get one?
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:02:16 GMT
Message-ID: <4prutj$[e-mail]>
References: <4pmjs6$[e-mail]> <4pprks$[e-mail]> <4pq3vd$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Gee...Since you posted your "flame" publically I will too.

I knew some self-rightous, let's stick up for the original poster type
would come in with something like this.  Please read the last message
I posted after my Walmart remark.  YOU are exactly the one I wrote my
follow-up to.

And, I said in my follow-up.......#1. Mind your own business....
#2. Stick it in your ear!

>mr. martin, your answer is a disgrace to the ham community.

No....just to your response to it.

>Mr. Dunstan asked a legitimate question because he had a legitimate desire
>for info.

To which I replied privately to him and even received a reply from
Fred who is well on his way to receiving his 10-X number.

>Your answer it childish and not humorous in the least.

Only to you because if you ever cracked a smile your face would break.

>While I am not, and will not be a 10-10 member, I accept their
>activities as proper and within the law and spirit of amateur radio.

Then keep your nose out of it.

>Your rudeness is uncalled for and I am sorry that someone might
>believe that you represent the ham community.  Heaven help us all BUT
>maybe it does explain Kenwood's recent proclamations.

Your interpretation.  And, I only represent myself in this matter.
If you interpret mine as rudeness, I guess you are one who fights fire
with fire.  I bet you even chase "Freebanders" by jamming them don't
you.  Your univited response says much about you.

>Ham radio is indeed dead!

No...only your sense of humor.

Ya know, I've never eaten Cheerios with urine in them before but if
you try something different for breakfast sometime you'd feel a lot
better......Really!  :)

Lighten up!

===========================================
cheers! jim martin, wk1v
lowell, mass
http://www.shore.net/~jjmartin/jjm.htm



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:41 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10/10# - where can I get one?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:01:54 GMT
Message-ID: <4q6jtj$[e-mail]>
References: <4pmjs6$[e-mail]> <4pprks$[e-mail]> <4pq3vd$[e-mail]> <4ptm7h$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Jim Kehler) wrote:

>Mr. Norris, your sense of humor is indeed dead !
>Lighten up, this isn't church, this is internet.

Thanks Jim...I almost forgot, since this is a 10-X issue I should have
posted my number with my comment.....

10-X #35376.....Three hundred fifty-three dollars and seventy six
cents.  ;)


===========================================
cheers! jim martin, wk1v
lowell, mass
http://www.shore.net/~jjmartin/jjm.htm



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:42 1996
From: [e-mail] (David V. McGuire)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 10X International
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:20:53 GMT
References: <4pmjs6$[e-mail]> <4pprks$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Dave Booth <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Jim Martin wrote:
>>
>> [e-mail] (Fred Dunstan iii) wrote:
>>
>> >I've just received my tech plus and have heard many of the hams on 10
>> >meters exchanging 10/10 numbers.  What are the awards and how can I get
>> >one.
>>
>> I got mine at Walmart, in the stereo section. :)
>> ===========================================
>> cheers! jim martin, wk1v
>> lowell, mass
>Boy where did you come up with that line????

>http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5860

>--
>Dave Booth

Once you've been to Walmart <g> you can go to see more about 10X here:
http://www.Lehigh.EDU/lists/tenten-l/





From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:43 1996
From: [e-mail] (Tim Shoppa)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,sci.physics
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second?
Date: 14 Jun 1996 14:30:43 GMT
Message-ID: <4prt2j$[e-mail]>
References: <4pq3e4$[e-mail]>

In article <4pq3e4$[e-mail]>,
CrACKeD  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I picked up a little blurb on the T.V. about radio signals travelling at
>186,000 miles per second.

186,000 miles per second.  It's not only a good idea, it's the law.

>Is this correct for every frequency, every
>wavelength?  I would guess that the wavelength of a signal would have an
>effect on how fast that signal travels, but I'm obviously not sure since I'm
>posting this question.  Any ideas?

Federal law sets 186,000 miles per second as the "maximum speed limit".
But just as the maximum speed limit on roads applies only under ideal driving
conditions and may be lowered depending on road or visibility conditions,
the federal radio speed limit of 186,000 miles per second only applies
in pure vacuum.  In matter (defined under current law as consisting
of one or more of the 4 fundamental elements of air, water, dirt, and
fire) the speed limit is
set at slightly below the speed of light.  And due to a piece of
legislature called the "dispersion bill", radio signals of different
frequencies may have *very* slightly different speeds when traveling through
air or other matter.  This "dispersion bill" also is the bill that requires
that local officials place the signs you see by the side
of the highway that say "Maximum speed 65 MPH, Trucks and Cars with
Trailers 55 MPH."

Violating the 186,000 mile per second speed limit in most states will
result in a FCC ticket for a "causality violation".  This is not the case
in Montana, where causality is not enforced due to a misunderstanding
of the very technical supreme court decision "Bell vs. Causality"
(often known in the pro-secular humanism press as "Bell's Inequality"
because they felt that the ruling violated Bell's basic human rights.)

If you disagree with the current limits, feel welcome to write your
senator or congressperson.  And tell them I sent you!

Tim.

 Tim Shoppa, TRIUMF theory group          |  Internet: [e-mail]
 TRIUMF, Canada's National Meson Facility |  Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 6446
 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS           |  FAX:    [phone]
 University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA   V6T 2A3

  EXCUSE ME, Professor BRAINIAC, but I worked at a nuclear power plant
  for 10 years and I THINK I know how a PROTON ACCELERATOR works!
                           ---  Homer Simpson, just before the explosion



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:44 1996
From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second?
Date: 15 Jun 1996 15:17:01 -0700
Message-ID: <4pvcot$[e-mail]>
References: <4pq3e4$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Jim Reid <[e-mail]> wrote:
: The Creation "Science" Institute has/is publishing
: papers claiming that the speed of light is gradually
: changing; in fact,  they say researching historical
: measurments of c,  reveal that it is slowing down!

They've made a big mistake. The speed of light is not
changing. Seconds are getting shorter so it only appears
that the speed of light is changing. Seconds getting
shorter also explains the red shift and the fact that
the universe is not nearly as ancient as most people
think. Seconds were pretty long immediately following
the big bang. We are slowing down because of the center
of gravity of the universe. Hence, seconds are getting
shorter. Also explains why bristle cone pine rings
don't agree with carbon dating.

73, Cecil, KG7BK (W6RCA soon), OOTC



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:45 1996
From: Paul Schmidt K9PS <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second?
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 12:07:40 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: Paul Schmidt <[e-mail]>

Tim Shoppa ([e-mail]) writes:
>
> Federal law sets 186,000 miles per second as the "maximum speed limit".
<a bit of humor deleted...>
> Violating the 186,000 mile per second speed limit in most states will
> result in a FCC ticket for a "causality violation".  This is not the case
<a bit more humor deleted... >
> If you disagree with the current limits, feel welcome to write your
> senator or congressperson.  And tell them I sent you!
>
I wonder what God thinks of this, since He runs light at 186,282
routinely...  Gonna issue a citation, anybody?
--
Paul Schmidt <[e-mail]> Bloomfield, IN USA
Amateur Radio K9PS      Public PGP key available @ MIT server
ARRL Life Member        fingerprint:  24 9F D3 BD AE E3 50 72
QCWA Life Member 26711                23 AB A0 64 BB 9E 2B 8D


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:46 1996
From: [e-mail] (Samuel R. DiSalvo)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second?
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:48:19 GMT
Message-ID: <4q0s9u$[e-mail]>
References: <4pq3e4$[e-mail]> <4pqpbd$[e-mail]> <4proqc$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Robert E. Garland) wrote:

>[e-mail] () writes:

>>>Photons travel at the speed of light. :-) Radio signals are photons.

>>How many photons are there in a CW dot?


If a radio wave consists of photons, and photons are particles, and
particles have mass, and weight equals mass times accelleration due to
gravity (9.8 m/sec^2), then how much does a 100 watt CW dot at 7125
kHz radiated from a 1/2 wave dipole antenna with an SWR of 1.2:1
located 40 feet up weigh ? (Assume that the dot is a 20 wpm character)

If anybody figures this out, please let me know!

73
Sam - KC8BQP



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:47 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second?
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 17:18:14 GMT
Message-ID: <4q1534$[e-mail]>
References: <4pq3e4$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pvej1$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Cecil Moore <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Question is: Will the length of a second go to zero and
>what happens to us and the universe if it does?

My guess is we'll probably fall off the ends of the Earth.


===========================================
cheers! jim martin, wk1v
lowell, mass
http://www.shore.net/~jjmartin/jjm.htm



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:48 1996
From: Jim Reid <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second?
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 07:57:58 -1000
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4pq3e4$[e-mail]> <4pqpbd$[e-mail]> <4proqc$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q0s9u$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Samuel R. DiSalvo wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (Robert E. Garland) wrote:
>
> >[e-mail] () writes:
>
> >>>Photons travel at the speed of light. :-) Radio signals are photons.
>
> >>How many photons are there in a CW dot?
>
> If a radio wave consists of photons, and photons are particles, and
> particles have mass,

But photons DO NOT hve mass!  If they did,  they could not travel
at "the speed of light",  and Maxwell's equations would be false,
and radio would not work.  It would take ALL the energy in the
Univers to accelerate one photon to the speed of light,  if it
had any mass whatsoever,  per Albert Einstein, 1905.  He has
not been found to be wrong yet.

Read some of Richard Feynman's stuff for some answers, suggest his
very short,  brilliant little book titled "QED" (short hand for
Quantum Electrodynamics, where Maxwell's stuff is considered
in light of the new knowledge of the quanta, uncertainty
principle, and virtual particles, etc.),  it is in most
Borders and Walden stores,  paperback. For the work ahead of this
book, Feynman was awarded a Nobel Prize in Physics.

73,  Jim, AH6NB


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:49 1996
From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second?
Date: 16 Jun 1996 13:36:01 -0700
Message-ID: <4q1r7h$[e-mail]>
References: <4pq3e4$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pvej1$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Jim Reid <[e-mail]> wrote:
: Cecil Moore wrote:

: > No one, except Einstein, has ever compensated for the changing
: > length of a second. Our seconds were pretty long immediately
: > following the big bang. But the slowing caused by the center
: > of gravity of the universe has caused our seconds to become
: > shorter.

: You have got to be kidding!  This concept is NOWHERE in
: modern physics or cosmology.

True, it's not there but it should be because it explains a lot of
things including the red shift and the contradictions in the age of
the universe. If we are slowing down from near the speed of light,
the distances are expanding in the direction of that movement and
seconds are getting shorter. Not only is ancient light having to
traverse the expanded space but we are measuring its frequency with
a shortened second - a double whammy.

: Einstein did not compensate for
: any such phenomena.  He demonstrated that only in systems
: moving near the speed of light, did the time, in the moving
: system, as measured/observed from a nearby non-moving
: system, appear to slow.

He demonstrated it but didn't compensate for it? What kind
of gobbledygook is that? I'm suggesting that we are still
moving near the speed of light and slowing down after the
big bang. Most of us haven't realized it yet *because* of
relativity which says we cannot measure our absolute velocity
because we can't do it with absolute distances and times.
Just like Einstein, we can't measure it but we can sure
think about it.

: the speed of light ( a quntity which he deduced was a
: universal CONSTANT;  not changing no matter HOW  one
: should choose to measure it,  it don't change!)

Then how do you account for the latest results that measures
the speed of light as something that is changing unless the
measurements themselves are being affected by relativity?

73, Cecil, KG7BK (W6RCA soon), OOTC



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:50 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second?
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 17:26:30 GMT
Message-ID: <4q15ik$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Paul Schmidt K9PS <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Tim Shoppa ([e-mail]) writes:
>>
>> Federal law sets 186,000 miles per second as the "maximum speed limit".
><a bit of humor deleted...>
>> Violating the 186,000 mile per second speed limit in most states will
>> result in a FCC ticket for a "causality violation".  This is not the case
><a bit more humor deleted... >
>> If you disagree with the current limits, feel welcome to write your
>> senator or congressperson.  And tell them I sent you!
>>
>I wonder what God thinks of this, since He runs light at 186,282
>routinely...  Gonna issue a citation, anybody?

Well, if time slows down as you approach C, and maybe it stops when
you hit the big C, my real guess is that you could not issue a
citation because you could never reach the violator unless you started
at Point A the same time the violator did.

And, if you were able to catch up with the violator (which
theoretically you could not) that would mean that during your chase
you had to exceed C in which case you would have travelled back in
time....possibly to some instant before the violator left A.  So, you
would have to issue the citation at Point A before the violator
left...thus pissing him off for something he didn't do and making him
so angry that he presses the accelerator to the floor and vanishes
into nothingness for having not allowed a gradual acceleration which
would have kept himself and his C craft from being crushed by the
gravitational forces of that acceleration...Whew..I'm out of breath!

===========================================
cheers! jim martin, wk1v
lowell, mass
http://www.shore.net/~jjmartin/jjm.htm



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:51 1996
From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second?
Date: 17 Jun 1996 15:40:15 GMT
Message-ID: <4q3u8v$[e-mail]>
References: <4pq3e4$[e-mail]> <4pqpbd$[e-mail]> <4proqc$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

>>How many photons are there in a CW dot?

Well,

let's see: To receive a dot, may be 1 uV is needed for 30 msec.
This makes it 6e-12 Joule. At 14 MHz a photon conveys only 9e-27
Joule, making it roughly 10^15 photons needed for a dot.

This shows that referring to short waves as photons is not particularly
meaningfull. (about as meaningfull as referring to cosmic rays as waves).

73, Moritz DL5UH




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:53 1996
From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second?
Date: 17 Jun 1996 12:52:42 GMT
Message-ID: <4q3keq$[e-mail]>
References: <4pq3e4$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pvcot$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)


Cecil Moore ([e-mail]) writes:
> Jim Reid <[e-mail]> wrote:
> : The Creation "Science" Institute has/is publishing
> : papers claiming that the speed of light is gradually
> : changing; in fact,  they say researching historical
> : measurments of c,  reveal that it is slowing down!
>
> They've made a big mistake. The speed of light is not
> changing. Seconds are getting shorter so it only appears
> that the speed of light is changing. Seconds getting
> shorter also explains the red shift and the fact that
> the universe is not nearly as ancient as most people
> think. Seconds were pretty long immediately following
> the big bang. We are slowing down because of the center
> of gravity of the universe. Hence, seconds are getting
> shorter. Also explains why bristle cone pine rings
> don't agree with carbon dating.
>
> 73, Cecil, KG7BK (W6RCA soon), OOTC
>

Cecil,

        Would this be the first time around for the Universe?  Cone pine
rings too?  Perhaps it our bizzillionth time because the universe is
closed and not open as some propone.
--
                 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
                 +++     Frank Sved VE3GID      +++
                 +++  [e-mail] +++
                 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:54 1996
From: Phil Sussman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second?
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:48:29 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4pq3e4$[e-mail]>

CrACKeD wrote:
>
> I picked up a little blurb on the T.V. about radio signals travelling at
> 186,000 miles per second.  Is this correct for every frequency, every
> wavelength?  I would guess that the wavelength of a signal would have an
> effect on how fast that signal travels, but I'm obviously not sure since I'm
> posting this question.  Any ideas?

You are confusing wavelength/frequency and the speed of light.
If you would look at the situation of ripples of water on a pond,
you are talking about the number of ripples per foot (let us say)
and NOT how fast those ripples are moving.

So you see the speed is independant of the frequency.
Hope that helps.

73 de Phil - KB8LUJ


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:55 1996
From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second?
Date: 17 Jun 1996 08:43:01 -0700
Message-ID: <4q3ue5$[e-mail]>
References: <4pq3e4$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pvcot$[e-mail]> <4q3keq$[e-mail]>

Frank Sved <[e-mail]> wrote:

:       Would this be the first time around for the Universe?  Cone pine
: rings too?  Perhaps it our bizzillionth time because the universe is
: closed and not open as some propone.

Consider that reality as we experience it does not originate locally
meaning it is projected from somewhere else. Who or what is running the
projector? It appears to me that the universe was created for some purpose
and is somewhat like a "solid" hologram relying on fractal mathematics.

73, Cecil, KG7BK (W6RCA soon), OOTC



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:56 1996
From: "Ken Bessler (KG0WX)" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second? - This is getting funny.....
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:27:07 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
To: Paul Schmidt <[e-mail]>

Paul Schmidt K9PS wrote:
> I wonder what God thinks of this, since He runs light at 186,282
> routinely...  Gonna issue a citation, anybody?

He had better watch it in Los Angeles. Some L.A.P.D. Traffic cop will pull
him over and beat the $#!^ out of him then some L.A.P.D. homicide detective
will screw up the evidence, blowing the case.....

--

                                Ken Bessler KG0WX
                                Design Services Company
                                http://www2.southwind.net/~kg0wx
                                Model railroad designing



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:57 1996
From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 mph, What is it anyways, EH?
Date: 17 Jun 1996 08:33:01 -0700
Message-ID: <4q3trd$[e-mail]>
References: <4q3q4h$[e-mail]>

Frank Sved <[e-mail]> wrote:
:
:      Not being a scholar of any type, I submit that RF actually
: creates a distortion in space itself (time, same thing).  This
: distortion travels until it reaches point B.

Hi Frank, pretty much agrees with the latest quantum ether theory
that says empty space is not empty but abounds with particles
and anti-particles being spontaneously created and annihilated.

73, Cecil, KG7BK (W6RCA soon), OOTC



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:57 1996
From: [e-mail]      (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 mph, What is it anyways, EH?
Date: 19 Jun 1996 02:05:06 GMT
Message-ID: <4q7n8i$[e-mail]>
References: <4q3q4h$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]    (Bill Newkirk)

In <4q3q4h$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank Sve
d) writes:
>     EXAMPLE:  A pebble in a pond will give the appearance that a
>               wave is moving when in actual fact each wave is an
>               up and down movement and not travelling.

if you only make one wave, you most certainly can see it move out from the poi
nt
of disturbance...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:18:58 1996
From: [e-mail] (VPLS A10 1490 Martin Smith-Rod)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 2-ways for neighborhood watch
Date: 16 Jun 1996 22:59:46 GMT
Message-ID: <4q23l2$[e-mail]>

I'm looking for ideas on "2-way" radios to be used for our neighborhood
watch night patrol. Am curious about other similar groups (volunteer,
tiny-budget, etc) and wondering what they use.

CB's don't seem to have good range. Marine bands are obviously a no-no. So
what is out there? Any creative solutions? We have cell-phones, but need
radio communication too.

Help.

Please post or email me at:   [e-mail]
--
Martin Smith-Rodden, photojournalist       [e-mail]
The Virginian-Pilot & Ledger-Star          The attached is my opinion...
150 West Brambleton Avenue
Norfolk, VA. 23510                             ... not that of my employer.


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:00 1996
From: [e-mail] (John Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2-ways for neighborhood watch
Date: 17 Jun 1996 13:38:10 -0400
Message-ID: <4q4562$[e-mail]>
References: <4q23l2$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Ted F ([e-mail]) wrote:
: VPLS A10 1490 Martin Smith-Rod wrote:
: >
: > I'm looking for ideas on "2-way" radios to be used for our neighborhood
: > watch night patrol. Am curious about other similar groups (volunteer,
: > tiny-budget, etc) and wondering what they use.
: >
: > CB's don't seem to have good range. Marine bands are obviously a no-no. So
: > what is out there? Any creative solutions? We have cell-phones, but need
: > radio communication too.
: >
: > Help.
: >
: > Please post or email me at:   [e-mail]
: > --
: > Martin Smith-Rodden, photojournalist       [e-mail]
: > The Virginian-Pilot & Ledger-Star          The attached is my opinion...
: > 150 West Brambleton Avenue
: > Norfolk, VA. 23510                             ... not that of my employer
.
: Try GMRS.  I think you can get licenses as a group.
: Ted F.
: N3SQY

Nope, GMRS is licensed for family use only, although there are a few groups
out there that are grandfathered under the old rules. The community
watch would be eligible for business band, though, or maybe talk to a local
radio dealer who can arrange for free/cheap repeater time. I'm curious
though, most of our local programs here in Ohio work fine with cell
phones, with Ameritech donating quite a few phones. Supposedly, the only
other person you would need to contact is the police, or another
homeowner, why doesn't that work?


--
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
John Chapman    WB8INY
Ohio Section ARES, District Emergency Coordinator, District 7
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/wb8iny     (try it, you'll like it)


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:01 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2M mobile freqs
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 96 16:49:30 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4prfrd$[e-mail]>

Well, I've sure been "straightened out" by a few packeteers.  Looks like
I'll be xmt/rcv on 146.52 come Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday on I81, I77,
I85, then back up on I85 and I95 to I270 and US15.

And thanks to all that offered assistance via e-mail....73, WX3Y.



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:02 1996
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: 386 with Color monitor $375
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 18:00:12 -0400
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From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:03 1996
From: [e-mail] (Joel Govostes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 6 METER AM - where?
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 10:40:42 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Hi all.  Can anyone suggest where I should tune for 6m am activity when
the band opens?  Is there a calling freq?  I once read it's 50.2 but not
sure.  Thanks, 73    N1AEP


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:04 1996
From: [e-mail] (Rick Kissell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 6 METER AM - where?
Date: 16 Jun 1996 10:50:35 -0500
Distribution: na
Message-ID: <4q1agb$[e-mail]>

According to "Six Meters: A Guide to the Magic Band" by Ken Neubeck, WB2AMU:

"The next block of frequencies, 50.3 to 50.8 is where any mode can be used.
However, some convention has been established with the most common mode in
this range being AM.  That mode is particularly popular in certain areas of
the U.S. late at night.  Typical gear that is used here are converted
commercial radios that are crystal controlled.  AM groups will have what is
known as activity nights which usually start at 11 p.m. local time or after,
in order to avoid TVI complaints.  AM and Six seem to go together as there's a
lot of room on this band that can accomodate the full fidelity of an AM
signal.  The AM calling frequency that is generally used is 50.400."

Neubeck's book is available for $14 postpaid (Calif. residents add 93 cents
tax) from: Worldradio Books, Box 189490, Sacramento, CA 95818.  It's a good
and relatively recent introduction to Six Meters.  I especially recommend it
to newcomers.

You might also want to subscribe to the VHF//UHF e-mail reflector out of
Stanford University: [e-mail]

73,

Rick WB9GYT


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:05 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Garver)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 6 METER AM - where?
Date: 17 Jun 1996 17:27:56 GMT
Message-ID: <4q44is$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
Joel Govostes <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi all.  Can anyone suggest where I should tune for 6m am activity when
>the band opens?  Is there a calling freq?  I once read it's 50.2 but not
>sure.  Thanks, 73    N1AEP

Officially, its 50.4 Mhz.  I used to have an old Clegg 99'er and a 66'er
with one rock (crystal) for that frequency.  While I never got any DX
we did get some locals together on 6 meter AM a couple of times.
I wish I still had one of the Clegg's.  The last one I put on the swap
table and it got snapped up faster than I expected.
I hope to see you on 6 AM when conditions get good in a couple of years.
I had great fun on 10 meter AM at 29.0-29.1 Mhz during the last sunspot
peak years.  Fortunately my new Icom 706 will transmit 6 AM but I need
to find another old tube rig to do it right.  At least I kept the Rock.
I still have the Heath DX-100 for 10 meter AM anyway.

Jim WA7LDV

AM forever!  With QRO!


--
[e-mail]          WA7LDV            I don't speak for Intel


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:06 1996
From: William Vaughn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ?Field Day Logging Software?
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:27:00 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
To: Lindsay Collins <[e-mail]>

Lindsay Collins wrote:
>
> I've been told that there is a Field Day logging software program
> available, but I have been unable to locate it.  Does this program exist?
> Where is it available?  Thanks.
> --
> Lindsay Collins, NR1N
> [e-mail]
> 603/228-9036 (d); 495-3983 (e)It just so happens Lindsay, that there are no
less than four Field Day
logging programs available from the ARRL FTP sight.
http://www.arrl.org/quick.html#ARRLFTP, look under
hamradio/arrl/bbs/contests/fd1200f.zip; fdall.zip; fdlogger.zip;
wr9r_302.zip. A couple of others that you might find useful
/hamradio/arrl/bbs/programs/geoclk51.zip " a gray line determination
program" or dxhelp.zip "ms-dos radio propogation aid" hope this helps.
Let me know how you do on field day. 73 Bill


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:07 1996
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: A protest song!  ..
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 08:09:03 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4p8gej$[e-mail]>

This Band Is Your Band

 (chorus)

 This band is your band
 This band is my band
 From the HI HI clan
 To the blowhard fan
 From one sixty nine meters
 To the farting repeaters
 R F belongs to only you and me

 (verses)

 As I went scanning through
 Through the RF spectrum
 I saw the ham's had
 Totally wrecked 'em
 And, with their meaningless lives shrinking
 The ham's start thinking
 This band belongs to me and me

 So now the hams try to keep
 Something they don't own
 This time they're picking
 At the wrong bone
 This piece of spectrum
 Belongs to the American Citizen
 Ham bands belong to you and me

#================#=====================================================#|  Bur
t Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#|
                       [e-mail]                          |
#======================================================================#
I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I
have no respect.
Edward Gibbon


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:08 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Address info on 6Y5CI
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 03:46:06 GMT
Message-ID: <4q554i$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Steve KA4IQD) wrote:

>Anyone help me with current qsl info on 6Y5CI?  I've tried the web but
>coming up with different info.  He says he's ok in the current
>callbook but I don't have one.  Any help appreciated.

>--
>73,
>Steve KA4IQD
>[e-mail]
>Greetings from the Bluegrass State.  Home of the
>1996 NCAA champion University of Kentucky Wildcat
>basketball team.


Test
--
GS
Idaho



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:09 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steve KA4IQD)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Address info on 6Y5CI
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 02:14:50 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Anyone help me with current qsl info on 6Y5CI?  I've tried the web but
coming up with different info.  He says he's ok in the current
callbook but I don't have one.  Any help appreciated.

--
73,
Steve KA4IQD
[e-mail]
Greetings from the Bluegrass State.  Home of the
1996 NCAA champion University of Kentucky Wildcat
basketball team.


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:11 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: Chris Broadbent <[e-mail]>
Subject: Advantages of CW (was: Re: Assault on Ham Radio - 2m/70cm related to CW !!)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4puu61$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q1j05$[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 20:52:32 GMT

Cecil Moore wrote:
>
> ...<SNIP>
>
> Your analogy is flawed. Eliminating the testing requirement for Morse code
> is more like not requiring a horse riding test to get a driver's license.
>
> *Nobody wants to reduce the requirements*, just change them to attract
> more technical types which would probably increase the difficulty of the
> written tests.
>
> Seems to me one of the reasons that pro-code-testing hams want to maintain
> the CW requirement is they feel inadequate about their technical knowledge
> and are against increasing the technical difficulty of the written tests.
> They have chosen to be good in a skill that doesn't matter anymore and are
> understandably afraid of the future.
>
> 73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)

I am currently learning CW in order to get onto the HF bands.  My major
interest is in homebrew.  CW has three wonderful advantages:

-       It is much easier to design and build a CW transmitter (receiver
        design is not eased as greatly).

-       If the bandpass is narrowed to 300Hz or so, the SN ratio is such
        that low power can go a long way.

-       With sufficiently selective receivers (and suitably de-keyclicked
        transmitters), quite a number of CW channels can be fit into one
        voice channel.

Now, if all you're interested in is buying your equipment, then CW must be
nothing but a burden.  But if you're into designing and building stuff
(which are the roots of Ham), CW is a great entry point.

Besides, learning CW is very easy (I am doing it now).  It seems some people
spend more time whining about having to do it than it takes to actually do
it!

How many people who complain about doing CW design and build their own
equipment?  I can't imagine it'd be too many, given the demonstrated lack of
patience wrt to learning CW.  Stop watching the idiot box (TV), that'll free
up lots of time!!! :-)

Does CW really discourage the technically interested/inclined?

Cheers,

Chris (looking forward to getting on the air).


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:12 1996
From: [e-mail] (Peter A. Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Advantages of CW (was: Re: Assault on Ham Radio - 2m/70cm related to CW !!)
Date: 18 Jun 1996 23:15:06 -0700
Message-ID: <4q85ta$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4q1j05$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q6pro$[e-mail]>

In article <4q6pro$[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>-     If the bandpass is narrowed to 300Hz or so, the SN ratio is such
>>      that low power can go a long way.

>Future licensees will be required to reduce the bandwidth of their voice by
>training or appropriate surgery to 100 Hz or less.

Regular injections of the appropriate hormone might be more effective :-)

73,
Peter - KD7MW
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From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:13 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: Chris Broadbent <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Advantages of CW (was: Re: Assault on Ham Radio - 2m/70cm related to CW !!)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4puu61$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q1j05$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q549i$[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:11:58 GMT

Bill Sohl wrote:
>
> ...<SNIP>
> If you don't take a CW test will that change in any way at all?
> ...<SNIP>

If the CW requirement were dropped, then all the no code Hams would have
access to the very limited HF bands while being able to use only phone.
Thus, aside from there being many more people competing for this limited
resource, they'll each always be using five to ten times as much
bandwidth (3KHz minimum for phone) because they can't do Morse.

Also, what of the majority of Hams whose English, while good enough to
do Morse, is not good enough to do phone?  Are you going to insist that
they learn conversational English (a hard thing to do) because others
don't want to learn the (much easier) Morse?

So yes, if you don't take the CW test, a lot will change.

Cheers,

Chris


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:13 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: ARLB038 FCC closes sites
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <$[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:03:41 GMT

In article <$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>Powder Springs, Georgia: Atlanta District Office, 770-279-4621.

Note, the Atlanta District Office is being merged with the
Kansas City office, with the remaining staff to be based
out of Kansas City.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:14 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: ARLB038 FCC closes sites
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:51:09 GMT

Jeffrey D. Angus <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] writes:
>[ snip ]
>... facilities for localities where FCC offices have been closed:
>>Honolulu, Hawaii, Livermore, California: San Francisco District
>>Office, 510-732-9046.
>Probably got tired of Jeff herman constantly calling and complaining
>about all the people not using CW and the mens restrooms on campus.

<Scratch scratch>   Hmmmm, now why would I call the FCC "about all the
people not using the men's restrooms on campus"? Only 49% of the campus
population can use them, so it would makes sense that not *all* could.

You've been inhaling too much smog, Jeff.

How come you've got a new address?

Jeff KH2PZ/KH6


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:15 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARLB039 Vanity calls issued
Date: 11 Jun 1996 16:34:13 -0400
Message-ID: <$[e-mail]>


SB QST @ ARL $ARLB039
ARLB039 Vanity calls issued

ZCZC AG19
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 39  ARLB039
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  June 11, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB039
ARLB039 Vanity calls issued

First vanity call signs issued.

The FCC has issued the first call signs under the new vanity call
sign program. Gate 1, which permits licensees to get back former
individual or club call signs or the former call sign of a deceased
close relative, opened May 31, 1996.

Among the first out of the gate were Mark Mandelkern, K5AM
(ex-KN5S), Ronald Allen, W3OR (ex-AA3NF), John Webster, W6RM
(ex-WA6L), Frank Eldredge, W7GGR (ex-N7BRG), Charles Coldwell Jr,
WB5CTQ (ex-KC5EBG), John Santucci Jr, WB9JVM (ex-WD4FMN), Signe
Twardowski, W3IIJ (ex KC7QFI), Wendell Davis, W1HSO (ex-N1GJW), and
Ernest Evans, W8RWS (ex-N8ELO). The FCC also issued several new club
station call signs.

The FCC reports it received more than 350 first-day applications.
But 85 applications were filed too early and were returned to
applicants for timely resubmittal. Gate 1 remains open for
applications indefinitely. The FCC has not yet announced opening
dates for the other filing gates.
NNNN
/EX


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:17 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Beacon on 28.253
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:25:48 GMT
Message-ID: <4q92l8$[e-mail]>
References: <4q6qno$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:

>From the current beacon list:

>28253   VK3SIX  Wannon Falls   QF02WH   25    GP/5el     Omni/E A1  QRT
>28254.5 WA4SLT  Hastings FL    EL99GQ   20    Vertical   Omni  A1   12-24

>(from Martin Harrison (G3USF)'s list - he is the IARU Region 1 Beacon Coord.)

Thanks Jeff,  That is what I was looking for,  It must be WA4SLT.  The
I.D. does not sound very good when listening to it.  Like dit <space>
dahdah<space>dit<space>dah<space>dididididah<space>dididit<space>dit<space>
dahdidit<space>dah then stroke B.  Ssounds just like someone with a
bad fist who mixes letters together or adds a space between the
characters of a letter.

===========================================
cheers! jim martin, wk1v
lowell, mass
http://www.shore.net/~jjmartin/jjm.htm



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:18 1996
From: Mike Willis <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: beep after tx
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:51:55 +0100
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4nu635$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4och01$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pdu31$[e-mail]>

Don Murray wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
> > Oh Im sorry...I have to take exception with this! There is NO reason for
> >a 'roger-beep'...if you cant tell when the other station has unkeyed - you
> >should find another hobby! The only two reasons those damn things exist is
> >to 1) Seperate the foolish from their money 2) Annoy those listening, usual
ly
> >on 11m but Ive found an alarming share of Amateurs who seem to think highly
> >of their use - probably ex-CBers who havent outgrown the fetish!


You lot clearly have never worked a weak signal in a VHF contest. The
end of TX short beep does allow you to copy the end of a marginal SSB
signal, especially when there is a lot of QSB and QRM.

Mike G0MJW


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:19 1996
From: Will Flor <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Cell Phone Number Reprograming
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:05:48 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4psa5i$[e-mail]>

Jeff L. Caldwell wrote:
>
> Group:
>         Did not know if this is the proper newsgroup to post this question b
ut here
> goes. I have a Motorola unit that I need to reprogram with an existing phone
> service number.
>         If I have posted to the wrong Newsgroup, please advise with name of
the
> correct group.

Probably alt.cellular-phone-tech

73 de KB9JTT


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:20 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Cell Phone Number Reprograming
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:44:31 GMT
Message-ID: <4psis0$[e-mail]>
References: <4psa5i$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

"Jeff L. Caldwell" <jcw> wrote:

>Group:
>       Did not know if this is the proper newsgroup to post this question but here
>goes. I have a Motorola unit that I need to reprogram with an existing phone
>service number. According to AT&T Wireless Services you cannot have two cell
>phones with the same number as each unit sends out it's serial number with ea
ch
>call transaction. If anyone has information that will confirm or rebutt this,
>along with the number reprogramming sequence to change the cell phone number
it
>would be greatly appreciated.
>       If I have posted to the wrong Newsgroup, please advise with name of the
>correct group.
>                               Thanks, Jeff
>                               [e-mail]

This is the wrong newsgroup.

Try  rec.telephone.fraud , maybe they can help you out.





From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:21 1996
From: "Jeff L. Caldwell" <jcw>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Cell Phone Number Reprograming
Date: 14 Jun 1996 18:15:54 GMT
Message-ID: <4psa8q$[e-mail]>

Group:
        Did not know if this is the proper newsgroup to post this question but here
goes. I have a Motorola unit that I need to reprogram with an existing phone
service number. According to AT&T Wireless Services you cannot have two cell
phones with the same number as each unit sends out it's serial number with eac
h
call transaction. If anyone has information that will confirm or rebutt this,
along with the number reprogramming sequence to change the cell phone number i
t
would be greatly appreciated.
        If I have posted to the wrong Newsgroup, please advise with name of the
correct group.
                                Thanks, Jeff
                                [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:21 1996
From: [e-mail] (SARUMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Cell Phone Number Reprograming
Date: 16 Jun 1996 05:15:52 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4ps9pt$[e-mail]>

>Group:
>       Did not know if this is the proper newsgroup to post this question but here
>goes. I have a Motorola unit that I need to reprogram with an existing phone
>service number. According to AT&T Wireless Services you cannot have two cell
>phones with the same number as each unit sends out it's serial number with
>each call transaction. If anyone has information that will confirm or rebutt
>this, along with the number reprogramming sequence to change the cell phone
>number it would be greatly appreciated.
>       If I have posted to the wrong Newsgroup, please advise with name of the
>correct group.
>                               Thanks, Jeff
>                               [e-mail]

Jeff, ya might try alt.cellular-phone-tech if your news provider has it


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From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:22 1996
From: "Jeff L. Caldwell" <jcw>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Cell Phone Number Reprograming
Date: 14 Jun 1996 18:13:41 GMT
Message-ID: <4psa4l$[e-mail]>
To: newsgroups:rec.radio.amateur.misc

Group:
        Did not know if this is the proper newsgroup to post this question but here
goes. I have a Motorola unit that I need to reprogram with an existing phone
service number. According to AT&T Wireless Services you cannot have two cell
phones with the same number as each unit sends out it's serial number with eac
h
call transaction. If anyone has information that will confirm or rebutt this,
along with the number reprogramming sequence to change the cell phone number i
t
would be greatly appreciated.
        If I have posted to the wrong Newsgroup, please advise with name of the
correct group.
                                Thanks, Jeff
                                [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:23 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Cell Phone Number Reprograming
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 12:57:57 GMT
Message-ID: <4q13q0$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (FRED MCKENZIE) wrote:

>Jeff-
>     Perhaps you talked to the wrong person, or maybe to the wrong
>service provider.  If what I've heard is true, then it may be possible
>to have two phones with the same number.  The fact that they have the
>same serial number seems irrelevant.  In fact, it would allow the
>provider to know which phone made or received a call.
>     In my ignorance, I have a feeling that you are not likely to
>succeed in programming your own phone.  Whatever you want to accomplish,
>it must be with the "blessing" of the provider.  When they detect
>anything irregular, they may assume it is the result of fraud, and
>disable the phone's account.
>     No, this isn't the right news group, but it is an interesting
>subject!
>     73, Fred, K4DII

Think about this for a minute, Fred.  I have cell phones I use for my
business. If I wanted two on the same number, would I a) go to the
cellular company and ask them to do it for me or b) ask a bunch of
people I thought were electronics wizards to do it for me ?  If your
answer is B, then you obviously are doing something you don't want
the cell phone company to a) know about or b) charge you for.

Who is Jeff ? Have you met him ? Did he give a ham call in his post ?
In my mind, Jeff is a) somebody who is trying to beat the phone
company, or b) somebody from the phone company trolling for people
who can tell him how to beat the phone company so he can in
turn beat them.

Jeff's message isn't an 'interesting subject'. It's a discussion of
doing something illegal.  Like installing filters to beat the cable
company.  Like stealing satellite TV signals.  My cell phone bills are

higher than they would be if criminals weren't already stealing
millions of dollars worth of cellular calls.  So, in my opinion,
Jeff's message isn't an interesting subject, it's bullshit, and Jeff
can take a hike.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:24 1996
From: "Jeff L. Caldwell" <jcw>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Cell Phone Number Reprograming
Date: 17 Jun 1996 18:03:03 GMT
Message-ID: <4q46kn$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q13q0$[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

To all who responded to this question kindly, Thank YOU. My intent was to
clarify a question I had on legal cell phone needs and confirm what I was or
was not being told. I had no idea that it could be miss interpreted as it was.


To all of those who took offense at the question, sorry to have interrupted
your otherwise perfect all-knowing day. Some of us do not mind asking question
s
to continue learning, although some may already know everything.



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:26 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Cell Phone Number Reprograming
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 23:43:10 GMT
Message-ID: <4q7ic3$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q13q0$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

C Wheeler <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Jim Kehler wrote:

>> Who is Jeff ? Have you met him ? Did he give a ham call in his post ?

>I have seen folks bring up this issue before.  My question is, why?
>Regardless of whether Jeff's request is suspicious or not, why do you
>care, or otherwise make an issue out of somebody not giving their
>callsign in this newsgroup.  Is it required?  Am I supposed to type my
>call every 10 minutes while I am in this group...and again before I
>close the window.

>Callsigns do one thing...identify transmissions as required by some reg.
> They don't identify operators, although everybody treats them like they
>do.  They identify stations.  Other people have used "my" call sign, and
>I have used "others'".  Perfectly legal station ID but it does't mean
>the licensee is the person using the radio.  There is no requirement to
>identify operators on the air.

>So with that, why do we care if someone hear doesn't give their call?  I
>haven't put my call on a post to this newsgroup in quite a while.  I
>figure, what for?  Of course I am not hiding my call either.  Any
>semi-resourceful, half wit connection can find it in seconds.

>So tell me why are callsigns so important to some people here?

Callsigns aren't important. I was implying Jeff was nobody we know,
not a regular user of the newsgroup, which led to the second part
of the paragraph, with which you agree.  I explained why I care
previously about what Jeff is writing about.   I, and a bunch of other
people, enter into a discussion about CW and are emailed by a net
cop that we are discussing it in the wrong AMATEUR group.  So
if we have to discuss CW in the correct AMATEUR newsgroup, then
I think Jeff should discuss telephone fraud in the right newsgroup
also, which I pointed out in my first reply to his message.  In turn
someone pointed out that Jeff's question was 'interesting', and in
turn I pointed out it wasn't interesting, and that's where we are now.
Anyway, callsigns aren't important.  But usually most hams, when
dealing with other hams, have a tendency to display them.

>> In my mind, Jeff is a) somebody who is trying to beat the phone
>> company, or b) somebody from the phone company trolling for people
>> who can tell him how to beat the phone company so he can in
>> turn beat them.

>You're probably right on the above.

We both agree on that.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:26 1996
From: Gary Ross Hoffman <gary@carcs3>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Code Quick, Any Good?
Date: 13 Jun 1996 18:17:26 GMT
Message-ID: <4pplvm$[e-mail]>
References: <lui-0706962258140001@192.0.2.1>

Code Quik is a very good tool if you are starting CW from scratch.
I don't know what technique you used to get up to 5 WPM, but if
you still do mental conversion from sounds (Dah-dit) to visual (-.)
then you'll find Code Quik very helpful. If, on the other hand,
you already associate the sounds directly with letters, Code Quik
may not be that useful to you.

Personally, I couldn't get up to 5 WPM until I got Code Quik. Worked
wonders for me.

- Gary


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:27 1996
From: [e-mail] (Carlyle Gerde)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Code Quick, Any Good?
Date: 15 Jun 1996 00:38:10 GMT
Message-ID: <4pt0li$[e-mail]>
References: <lui-0706962258140001@192.0.2.1> <4pplvm$[e-mail]> <4ps2p2$[e-mail]>

How do find Code Quick?

73...N9NWO




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:28 1996
From: [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Code Quick, Any Good?
Date: 14 Jun 1996 16:08:02 GMT
Message-ID: <4ps2p2$[e-mail]>
References: <lui-0706962258140001@192.0.2.1> <4pplvm$[e-mail]>

In <4pplvm$[e-mail]> Gary Ross Hoffman <gary@carcs3>
writes:
>
>Code Quik is a very good tool if you are starting CW from scratch.
>I don't know what technique you used to get up to 5 WPM, but if
>you still do mental conversion from sounds (Dah-dit) to visual (-.)
>then you'll find Code Quik very helpful. If, on the other hand,
>you already associate the sounds directly with letters, Code Quik
>may not be that useful to you.
>
>Personally, I couldn't get up to 5 WPM until I got Code Quik. Worked
>wonders for me.
>
>- Gary

I agree Gary it was to only thing that got me past my dyslexia got my
Advanced ticket now and am thinking Extra. Code Quick is a great tool.

                73 Jerry KK5YY (nee KC5EGG)



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:29 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Code Quick, Any Good?
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 05:54:05 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <lui-0706962258140001@192.0.2.1> <4pplvm$[e-mail]> <4ps2p2$[e-mail]> <4pt0li$[e-mail]>

Carlyle Gerde wrote:
>
> How do find Code Quick?
>
> 73...N9NWOCode Quick can be reached at 1 800 782-4869
btw, it got me from 8wpm to 17wpm (I'm on my way to 20!)
73 de KS4LS


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:30 1996
From: [e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore~)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW over the internet
Date: 18 Jun 1996 21:36:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4q77g0$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
Marc Davis  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Does anyone know of a program to send CW over the internet?  This could
>be realtime or over mail or news.  I'm currently a nocode and would like
>to use a progran like this to practice with others trying to learn code.

You can do it with freetel and audio oscillators on your multimedia PC.
Try www.freetel.com

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)





From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:31 1996
From: [e-mail] (Christian Jartel)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,uk.radio.amateur
Subject: French Radio-amateur meeting
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:05:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

The Sunday 21July 1996  since 10h00 am

        This is the FRENCH INTERNATIONAL HAM-RADIO meeting
        of "ARC22".

VAL-ANDRE City/ Dpt22 (Britany) / FRANCE
APPOINTMENT : Salle du GUEMADEUC.


-Exposition and sale of Ham Radio material.
-Exhibition and Demonstration of Ham Radio material.
-Demonstration of realizations OM.
-Exchange and sale of material OM.
-Meeting friendly.
-Tombola.
-Rustic meals (QSJ: 80 Frs/$16)

You can contact for the lunch:        F6IAP Tel:[phone]
                                        F5OTJ Tel:[phone]

        by Packet              [e-mail]
                               [e-mail]

Or by e-mail with me:        [e-mail]

-Contact me for other informations.

-If you are in Holidays in France at this period, Welcome to This
 HAM-RADIO meeting.
___________________________________________________________________

              Christian Jartel - DINAN (22), FRANCE
              e-mail  : [e-mail]
              homepage: http://www.pratique.fr/~cjartel
              ax25    : [e-mail]
___________________________________________________________________



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:32 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: German hams
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 12:57:33 GMT
Message-ID: <4q13pa$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <01bb4a02.b257a920$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4obdtk$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Ken Clark) wrote:

>As a new reader of only a few days I must say that this column is
>giving me a few laughs mixed with a little sadness too. Still, I would

It saddens me too Ken. Because this type of discussion has no
place in an amateur radio newsgroup, and because it was started
by our resident HAM-A-ROID Burt, who did so only to stir the pot.
Burt is the only one who gained anything from this discussion, as
he is sitting back laughing at all the hate and discontent he has
caused.

It saddens me that people keep this discussion going here, not
that I am wasting my time reading all this junk, but I am wasting
my time telling my newsreader to ignore all the messages with
new titles (like yours) that are just a contiunuation of the same old
discussion.

It saddens me to think about a friend I lost in Viet Nam, but that has
nothing to do with amateur radio.

It saddens me to see writers for whom I have respect let themselves be
sucked into this discussion.

Lots of things that have happened in history sadden me. But
history is over, and so should this discussion in any of the amateur
radio newsgroups be.

I think the participants in this discussion should have the free right
to discuss it if they wish, but I think they should discuss it
elsewhere.  I'm sure those who wish to continue it can find the
appropriate place if they go look for it.

Anyone who posts any more to any of the threads that have spawned from
Burt the HAM-A-ROID's original post should be smart enuff to realize
that all the only thing they are accomplishing is to give old sick
Burt a few more laughs.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:33 1996
From: Alexis Trannoy <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Give me names of US / UK Ham Radio magazines
Date: 18 Jun 1996 00:34:37 GMT
Message-ID: <4q4tit$[e-mail]>



I am considering applying for the French Ham Radio Class E Licence, and
I am currently searching for documentation on HF Transceivers.

Could anyone give me some names of US, UK magazines specialized in Ham
Radio ?
Thank you for your cooperation

;+))

Alex




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:34 1996
From: Madjid <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Give me names of US / UK Ham Radio magazines
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:13:50 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4q4tjl$[e-mail]>

Alexis Trannoy wrote:
> Could anyone give me some names of US, UK magazines specialized in Ham
> Radio ?

Hi Alex,

Vous devriez contacter le REF pour avoir de l'info sur la
Radio Amateur.

Pour les revues il y en a plusieurs aux US/Canada. les principales:

  QST par ARRL    www.arrl.org
  73 Magazine
  CQ Magazine (Stdard, VHF, Contest)

Aux UK mystere et boules de gommes HiHi. RSGB publie un paquet de
bons bouquins mais je ne sais pas s'ils ont des revues.

Pour les revues techniques sur les equipements QST est plus serieux
leurs tests sont tres techniques et pousses. Les autres ont tendance
a faire tester les appareils par des utilisateurs qui donnent leurs
impressions.

QST vend des rapports detailles pour les appareils testes (10/12$)
Il faut fouiller dans leur site, il y a de l'info en quantite.

73s

-----------------------------------------------------------
Madjid, VE2GMI     Internet: [e-mail]
Antenna simulation program NEC4WIN found at:
http://www.coast.net/SimTel/SimTel/win3/hamradio/nec4w15.zip


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:35 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hello + A CB Problem In My Town!
Date: 14 Jun 1996 13:59:20 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4prr7o$[e-mail]>
References: <4pmvbm$[e-mail]> <4ppqs6$[e-mail]>

>How does your town handle the CB problems?
>
>They may be able to tell someone they cannot put up an antenna (one
>that can be seen anyway) but they have no jurisdiction when it comes
>to telling someone they cannot transmit.

A local jurasdiction has the authority to enact an anti-antenna ordinance
ONLY if it covers ALL antennas, regardless of their purpose.  A ban which
targets only CB antennas, and not others of the same size and height,
would clearly be thrown out in court.

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:36 1996
From: "Ed Ellers" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hello + A CB Problem In My Town!
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:55:18 -0400
Message-ID: <01bb5a5d.ed58d1a0$d02d1cce@ed-ellers>
References: <4pmvbm$[e-mail]> <4pnjne$[e-mail]>



> [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote in article
<4pnjne$[e-mail]>...

> Since operating a CB is a legal activity, how is it that the council has

> the authority to enact a ban on CB antennas?

Probably because, so far, the FCC hasn't pre-empted local ordinances on CB
antennas the way they have (to a certain extent) for amateurs, satellite
dish owners and most recently users of conventional and MMDS TV antennas.



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:37 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hello + A CB Problem In My Town!
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 17:52:39 GMT
Message-ID: <4q173m$[e-mail]>
References: <4pmvbm$[e-mail]> <4ppqs6$[e-mail]> <4prr7o$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:

>A local jurasdiction has the authority to enact an anti-antenna ordinance
>ONLY if it covers ALL antennas, regardless of their purpose.  A ban which
>targets only CB antennas, and not others of the same size and height,
>would clearly be thrown out in court.

Drew would you please cite the legal precedent which proves this for
us?  I have access to a legal library and can look it up. I don't,
however, believe your statement is correct.  But I would like to know
Who v. Whom set this one.

Also, as in my city, there are many "Freebanders" who consider
themselves CB'ers who operate above 27.405.  I have one who lives
close enough to me that my neighbors ask me if I am still operating
ham radio.  I reply in the affirmative to which they state that they
can hear my transmissions in their telephones, stereos, and one
(without cable) on a TV.  They even told me what "I" was to have said.

That is when I asked them if they understood and could copy Morse
Code.  Also if their stereos, telephones and TV's had each had a
BFO--and I explained what that was.  I was actually making a point to
them that they would not make any sense of the modes I operate.  I am
not an AM'er.  If they did hear them they would sound like Donald Duck
or a rhythmic on-off noise.

"No," they said, "We could hear the person saying he had to order this
and that." (These people live in a condo complex).  Since I can hear
the neighbor myself in my computer speakers (amplified of course) and
my telephone, my scanner, the ten meter band, and in my IR headphones
I naturally pointed my hand in his direction.

Watching TV last night my CB neighbor was telling his buddies that he
was glad he wasn't getting into his neighbor's electronic equipment.
Well I haven't confronted him yet...this time.  I'm
waiting...patiently...


===========================================
cheers! jim martin, wk1v
lowell, mass
http://www.shore.net/~jjmartin/jjm.htm



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:37 1996
From: [e-mail] (Mark Walsh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hello+ a CB problem in my area--time to help out
Date: 15 Jun 1996 21:04:13 GMT
Message-ID: <4pv8gd$[e-mail]>

: > Come on guys! Even if you do not like or agree with CB, you may be helping
: > your own cause by getting involved to strike down any local ordinances
: > prohibiting antennas, no matter what service they cover. Most non-technica
l
: > people will not be able to tell a CB antenna from a Ringo Ranger...

And it can work the other way around, too.  About 20 years ago,
a friend of mine who only does DX wanted to put up a 70 foot
tower on a city lot in a residential neighborhood.  It has a
6 element 20 meter beam and a 3 element 40 meter beam on it.

Of course the city said no, but somebody got the local CB club
to gather signatures on a petition for him, and 475 signatures
later, the city council reversed itself, and permitted the tower.

***** Mark Walsh ***** [e-mail] *****


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:39 1996
From: KD1YV <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hopeless to run HF voice at 100 watts?
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:48:05 -0300
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

charles copeland wrote:
>
> I recently got my general, and have trying my luck on HF voice
> using a TS820 running 100 watts, antenna tuner, and a 64 foot folded
> dipole at 7' in my first floor apartment (also a Carolina Bug Catcher
> sitting on mag mount on floor with two 30' folded counter poise wires).
>
> My luck has been rotten, (with exception of 10 meters). I've talked
> to three HAMS on 20 meters only to have to struggle just to get
> them to recognize my callsign.
>
> This brings up my question: Is it hopeless to run HF voice at 100 watts?
>
> If I were to get a inverted V dipole up at 40' would I have the same
> lousy luck? What cheap portable antenna would be most efficient?
>
> I know two other HAMS who have recently gotten their general,
> and both report lousy results on 20m-160m running 100watts.
> Both live on third floor apartments using folded dipoles. Both rarely
> are able to snag a QSO.
>
> What about running mobile? A 6' whip should pale to a 60' dipole on 3d floor
?
> Seems 100 watts and a whip would be worse than hopeless.
>
> Is 100 watts sufficient when the sunspot cycle picks up?
>
> Are 20m-160m bands strictly the domain of the "big guns"
> running 1500 watts, 100 foot towers, and monster beams?
>
> If this is so, what is the minimum setup to operate effectively?
>
> 400 watts, 600 watts, 1000 watts?
>
> 30', 40', 60', 100', tower?
>
> antennas?

Charles,

First, congratulations on your recent upgrade.  What is your callsign?

I run from 100 to 150 watts (depends on what kind of mood my old Hallicrafters
 SR-400A
is in that day), and have had phenomenally good luck with it.  I use a G5RV th
at I made
myself, up at about 45 feet, through an MFJ mobile tuner (300 W rating.)

I rarely have any problem making a contact, and have even broke through my sha
re of
pileups.  I have worked a fair bit of DX, including Antartica, Australia, New
Zealand,
Marshall Islands, and a few African stations, not to mention a ton of Europe,
Caribbean
and South America.  And all of this within the last year, at the "bottom" of t
he sunspot
cycle.  Most of my contacts are on 75 or 20 meters, since my old rig has no WA
RC bands.

It really sounds like your antenna situation needs to be improved, and it will
 make all
of the difference in the world.

73 de Jim, KD1YV


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:40 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hopeless to run HF voice at 100 watts?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 21:08:00 GMT
Message-ID: <4q6ra0$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (charles copeland) wrote:

>This brings up my question: Is it hopeless to run HF voice at 100 watts?

I was stationed in Korea (South of course) from June of 1989 to June
of 1990 and obtained the call of HL9ZF whilst there.  I was billeted
on the second floor in what are now Korean condos.

Anyway, I used a Hustler MO-2 mobile mast with the 10, 15, and 20
meter resonators and had it attached to the rail on the balcony.  I
worked Montevideo (sp?) in Uraguay on 10 meters running only about 60
or 70 watts.  Can't get any farther than that....it's half way, almost
to the mile, around the world.

===========================================
cheers! jim martin, wk1v
lowell, mass
http://www.shore.net/~jjmartin/jjm.htm



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:41 1996
From: "Thomas W. Castle" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hopeless to run HF voice at 100 watts?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 05:02:17 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
To: charles copeland <[e-mail]>

In regards to only running a 100W, I basically only use 80-100W...
I run 7.251, 7.248, 14.305, 3847.5, 3945 in the mobile an at home.
At home I use a G5RV up about 40' with my IC-751 an Dentron Ant tunner.
I also work digital modes on 20, 40 & 80 at about 50W out due to the
heavy duty cycle on Pactor, Amtor & ect.

Its not so much the power, my mobile Atlas 210X only does 80-100w at
best, its how you get it to the antenna an type of antenna. The people
I talk with on a routine basis have no problem hearing me, even if I'm
not the strongest station they ever heard...

Your going to have to look hard at your antenna system, are re-consider
its layout or feed line or other factors which would apply...
I know this doesn't solve your problem, it just understates the fact
that a antenna system can either make or break you...

Just remember if your S-5 on a 100w, and if every time you double your
power you could come up 1 S unit; what would your signal be at 800W..?
100, 200, 400 & 800w Figure it out... Its not the difference of S-5 to
60/9... either.

There are some really sharp guys here on this newsgroup, an they will
probably have much better ideas on what you might need to do, than me.
Just don't give up...
73 De Tom




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:42 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How would removing the CW test help amateur radio? (was Re:
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 96 01:25:47 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pnpq8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4ps9lq$[e-mail]>

Dana Myers <[e-mail]> writes:

>The publishers of amateur literature and manufacturers of amateur
>equipment just want a larger market.

Correction. One publication has gone on record as not wanting the standards
lowered at all. That one is Worldradio............................N6WR


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:43 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How would removing the CW test help amateur radio? (was Re: code/no code survey)
Date: 14 Jun 1996 18:05:46 GMT
Message-ID: <4ps9lq$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pnpq8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Whenever you hear an advocate strongly supporting one topic or another,
>whether it's this or anything else, ask yourself what's motivating them.
>Of course for the individuals who have only an entry level license, it's
>easy to see that they are very likely just looking for the instant
>gratification of a free privilege upgrade, but particularly because the
>manufacturers and publishers literally don't advertise it, their reasons
>aren't likely to be as obvious.  However, I believe if you look through
>the pages of your favorite ham magazine, the answer should be blatantly
>apparent.

Soooo....  if anyone with an entry level license suggests the Morse
requirement be removed or replaced, they're just looking for a free ride.
The publishers of amateur literature and manufacturers of amateur
equipment just want a larger market.

What about folks like me, that hold a higher class of license (in my
case, the highest), have no pecuniary interest in amateur radio, and
still suggest the Morse requirement be removed or replaced?

Consider for a moment that someone who really supports amateur radio can
also believe that the Morse requirement needs to be replaced or removed.

take care!
Dana

--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are mine and should *
 * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as     *
 * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.          *



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:44 1996
From: [e-mail] (Frank Dinger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How would removing the CW test help amateur radio? (was Re: code/no code survey)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:16:03 +0100
Message-ID: <4q76tr$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <1996May31.094014.1@leif> <[e-mail]> <4p5eff$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pnpq8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pv7qq$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In message <[e-mail]>
        Madjid <[e-mail]> writes:


> We are elitists, so what, Is that a problem?  Are we in the name of
> Democracy going to succomb to the Dictature of Mediocrity?

> BTW, when you listen to the CW contests where people transmit their
> age like the All Asia this week end, you do hear a lot of 30s and 40s
> and even 20s. Is that the old guard ? Sure the no-coders can't know that
> since mane of them don't even read CW. Is there a sickness called
> CW-syndrome?


> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Madjid, VE2GMI    Internet: [e-mail]

============= comment GM0CSZ / KN6WH
Madjid , The fact that many hams in all age groups enjoy CW does not
mean that these people all insist that the CW requirement must be
maintained and that CW is necessary to operate on HF. I enjoy CW very
much but yet am of the opinion that the CW test at whatever speed
should NOT be a barrier for licenced radio amateurs to get access to
the HF bands. I get the feeling that a number of hams with HF
privileges , having done one or more morse telegrappy tests (possibly
after many hours of training), can't accept that in the (not too
distant) future this requirement might/will be dropped ,so that the
younger/future generation of hams get HF access 'for free' eg without
having to make the effort ; I call that the 'jalousy factor'. Their
objection  has nothing to do with the requirement to operate on the
HF bands in a responsible manner.
Enjoy our common hobby , including the mode named CW ,so do I ,but
please don't unnessarily impose the morse telegraphy requirement on
prospective HF bands users.
Being 'considerate' is supposed to be one of the characteristics of all hams.

Frank Dinger , Inver by Tain , Ross-shire IV20 1RX - Scotland
e-mail :  [e-mail]
Packet :  GM0CSZ @ GB7NOS.#76.GBR.EU



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:46 1996
From: Madjid <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How would removing the CW test help amateur radio? (was Re: code/no code survey)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:49:26 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <1996May31.094014.1@leif> <[e-mail]> <4p5eff$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pnpq8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pv7qq$[e-mail]>

Frank Dinger wrote:
> Since (manual) telegraphy is being abandoned by Coastguard , merchant
> navy ,the military etc ,the need is no longer there and those not
> interested in CW see the continued requirement as an artificial way
> to restrict access to the HF bands and as pure  elitism fiercely
> supported by the 'Old Guard'.

We are elitists, so what, Is that a problem?  Are we in the name of
Democracy going to succomb to the Dictature of Mediocrity?

BTW, when you listen to the CW contests where people transmit their
age like the All Asia this week end, you do hear a lot of 30s and 40s
and even 20s. Is that the old guard ? Sure the no-coders can't know that
since mane of them don't even read CW. Is there a sickness called
CW-syndrome?


-----------------------------------------------------------
Madjid, VE2GMI     Internet: [e-mail]
Antenna simulation program NEC4WIN found at:
http://www.coast.net/SimTel/SimTel/win3/hamradio/nec4w15.zip


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:47 1996
From: [e-mail] (robert bowman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: HTX 202  Error message???
Date: 14 Jun 1996 16:31:12 GMT
Message-ID: <4ps44g$[e-mail]>
References: <4phcpi$[e-mail]>

In article <4phcpi$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Samuel
R. DiSalvo) says:
>Sometimes when he keys up on it, he gets an error
>message <ER-2>. Is anyone familiar with this and what it might mean.

reading from the FM, Er2: PLL Unlock Error

Er2 indicates the transceiver's PLL section has unlocked. Have the
tranceiver repaired by an authorized Radio Shack service center.



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:47 1996
From: ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: INFO: Dentron GLA-1000 Amp
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:51:59 -0200
Message-ID: <4q97ql$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

I need any information on the Dentron GLA-1000 amplifier, such as
tubes, power output, etc.

Any informtation is welcome,

73's Felipe - pu1wlf - [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:48 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is RS extended  warenty  worth while???
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:35:41 GMT
Message-ID: <4prm79$[e-mail]>
References: <4pha0d$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Clint Bradford) wrote:

>This is irresponsible, unwarranted, and malicious.

Isn't that what InterNet is  here for ????





From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:49 1996
From: Andrew Lawlor <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is RS extended  warenty  worth while???
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 18:28:58 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4pha0d$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Clint Bradford wrote:
>
> >>You almost have to have the extended warranty, especially if you
> >>are buying the RS ham equipment.
>
> This is irresponsible, unwarranted, and malicious.
>
> What is -your- experience with Radio Shack equipment that you can pass
> on to the group?
>
> I have had, for example, a HTX-202 set up 24 hours/day on packet for
> almost two years with no problems whatsoever. Knowing the reliability of
> the current HTX-202s, I opted not to purchase the extended warranty.
>
> [e-mail]

Clint, you can count yourself as a lucky one, I guess.  OR maybe I should coun
t
myself an unlucky one?  I dunno... anyway... I disagree whole heartedly with
you.  It is not irresponsible, unwarranted, or malicious.  It's 100% true.
If anyone is buying HAM gear from Radio Shack, I strongly urge them to
purchase the extended warranty... seriously.  From day one, I have always
purchased the TSP (against my better judgement) and three times now I've
"saved" myself some money.

Back in 1990/1991 I bought an HTX-100 10M rig.  It worked swell for about
a year, after I moved to Hawaii it quit working.  Brought it in to a local
RS repair center and they got it fixed.  It would have only cost me
about $180 bucks for the repairs on a $269 dollar radio.

I bought an HTX-202 in Oct 93, after moving from Hawaii to Nebraska, the
finals quit working... I sent it in and repairs would have been $180 (for
a radio I bought on sale for about the same price).

I bought an HTX-212 in Dec 95, in April it "smoked"... well, I still
don't have the stupid thing back from repairs (actually, it did come
back once but the tech simply replaced the antenna connector - didn't
even noticed the smoke residue and the burnt chip on the board - excellent
work, eh?) yet so I still can't use it...

Anyway, I would definately suggest anyone doing business with RS, HAM
or other, should seriously consider the TSP before saying no.

In contrast, my Kenwood TS-820S is still going strong with no
major repairs in 20 years... go figure.

73  Andy KC6NMD


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:51 1996
From: [e-mail](David Tobachnik)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kenwood 641 / 741 / 941 Triple Bander Modules Sale & Wanted
Date: 16 Jun 1996 12:08:48 GMT
Message-ID: <4q0tgg$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

I have for sale modules for VHF (146mhz), 440-450 UHF and 1200 Mghz
I would like to purchase 220 Mghz, and 6 meters.
oes anyone know if you can remove the 2m module and run three OTHER
bands???
Please respond privately, I don't check the list regularly.
[e-mail]
or ph me @: 516 345 0054
N2CQQ



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:51 1996
From: Bruce Burke <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kenwood's new marketing plan
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 08:33:07 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4ps045$[e-mail]> <4pt44l$[e-mail]>

John N0ISL wrote:

>
> How about a mobile van that travels from school to school with a full
> OSCAR and HF setup, with a demo team that really sells the hobby?
>
> One guy's opinion... Whats yours?

What is your local club doing to "sell" the hobby??


73,
Bruce, WB4YUC
>
> N0ISL@KZ7I.#MSP.MN.USA.NOAM
> [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:52 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Letter to 73 Magazine Cancelling Subscription
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <[e-mail]> <4pcq6n$[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:09:50 GMT

In article <4pcq6n$[e-mail]> [e-mail](RF D
awg) writes:
>I saw Wayne Green this morning in his booth at the Atlanta Georgia Hamfest.
>
>Seriously folks, all jokes aside:
>
>I've seen better looking dead people.
>
>He vaguely resembles his byline photo and I suspect his health is failing.
>
>Regards,
>
>RF Dawg

You should have talked with him. He seemed as cantankerous and
vigorous as ever. In fact his health appears better than lots of
the other people I saw waddling around the fest who are half his
age. After all the talk here, I was a bit surprised. OTOH there
were further indications that the *magazine* is in ill health.

Gary
--
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:53 1996
From: [e-mail] (Warren Ring)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Mexican classes of license?
Date: 19 Jun 1996 17:54:36 GMT
Message-ID: <4q9ess$[e-mail]>

I have a ham friend who will be travelling to Mexico, and he may be
encountering hams there.  If he's fortunate, he'll be able to use
their equipment to call me back here.  He asked me to make up a
list of schedule times and frequencies.

Having an extra-class license, my first impulse was to specify
frequencies in the extra-class portions of 20.  I hear lots of
Spanish QSOs in that portion of the band.  However, I don't know for
sure what the Mexican HF band plan looks like.

Does anyone know?

(I also need to check into third-party agreements and whether or not
US hams can transmit just by tweaking their callsigns, as in Canada,
AFAIK.)

Thanks in advance.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Warren Ring / AB6QE / Columbus, Ohio | [e-mail]
Age and treachery always overcome youth and skill.
------------------------------------------------------------------------



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:56 1996
From: Michael Nason <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: My 736R causes power line interference
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 03:09:50 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
To: Greg Dolkas <[e-mail]>

Greg Dolkas wrote:
>
> I think I know what's going on here, but I wonder if anyone else has seen
> this problem...
>
> The short version of the story is that my 736R is generating a lot of power
> line noise, and that is interfering with my X-10 equipment.  Anybody know of
> this problem happening elsewhere, and/or have a fix?
>
> I recently purchased a very clean, used, Yaesu 736R tranceiver.  About the s
ame
> time, my wife started complaining that our X-10-controlled bedroom lamp quit
> working.  Once I recognized the connection between the two events, I found
> that when the 736 was on, all X-10 communication on that phase of our house
> power was impossible, even when the controller and module were plugged into
> the same outlet.  Communication was possible from the bad phase to the other
> side.
>
> I have since purchased a power line "surge protector" (with an "RFI Filter"
> built into it), and with that in place, *AND* when my 20A 12V linear supply
is
> turned on (homebrew job, plugged into same outlet), *then* the X-10 stuff wo
rks
> again.  My guess is that the big filter capacitors of the supply, as seen
> through the power transformer, are helping absorb enough of the remaining 73
6
> trash to allow things to work.
>
> OK, fine, I'll leave the power supply on when the 736 is on.  The problem is
> that last night I found that the noise is upsetting my palmtop's modem (when
> using the external power nodule).
>
> So, has anyone else seen this problem with the 736R (or another rig)?
> If so, is there a fix to be put in the radio, or do I have to settle for an
> external filter?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg  KO6THHi Greg, I would suspect your having problems with the switching
power
supply in the radio. Try not using the internal supply and use you
linear power supply with the radio. Unplug the pig tail comming from the
switching supply thats built in and get another pigtail for using it
mobile. Plug it in and see what happens.
   By the way. The switching supply in my FT736r died and I checked. They
want $230 for a new one. (Parts only) and I cant remember, something like
$400. or so to install it and re-align the radio.
    Good luck,  Mike  KA7HBB


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:57 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need a Guam QSL
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:19:55 GMT
Message-ID: <4prl9v$[e-mail]>
References: <4pnpqd$[e-mail]> <4po1io$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ wrote:

>i still need guam on any band

>your 59 plus plus

>where's my card???????

You're not in the log. And even if you were, you didn't send me a
dollar and an SASE.  Since you aren't in the log, better send twenty.

Which reminds me of a good story, if you have a minute.

Few years back some of the more active HF guys here in Guam decided to
go to KH4 for a contest weekend.   Peak of the last cycle, bands wide
open into Europe.  So many people calling them they could hardly work
anybody.  The didn't do well in the contest because of the confusion,
but they were there for about 10 days altogether.  By the time they
got back, the mail was already starting to arrive, in a week or two it
started pouring in.

They got one card from a guy in Italy, and enclosed was a note and a
brand new U.S. fifty dollar bill.  The note said:

"I heard your station in KH4 but I couldn't work you because too many
people calling you. But I still need your QSL for my DXCC".

The guy who was answering cards was a very active HF DX'er and very
meticulous about answering every QSL card he ever received.  So he
sat down and wrote a note back to the guy in Italy which said:

"Thank you very much for the fifty dollar contribution to our DX trip
to KH4.  Enclosed is your QSL card. I hope next time we can work
you. 73"

He then filled out a card for the Italian station and with a red magic
marker he wrote across the mode entry, in big letters, "SWL".

I haven't been real active on HF lately Steve, I have a heard a few
west coast stations on 20, but I think it's gonna be a while until I
can hear the east coast again.  Anyway, if you ever hear Japan on
any band you should be able to hear me, so drop me an email with
a sked and we'll give it a shot. That is, if you'd rather not send me
the 20 bucks.......  8- )

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:58 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: need emergency generator recommendations
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 12:58:05 GMT
Message-ID: <4q13q8$[e-mail]>
References: <4pvdm9$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] wrote:

>I need a generator to run electronics for emergency use.  I am
>looking for something in the 350 to 500 watt range.  I know honda
>makes a good one but it is expensive.  I'd like to know what else
>is out there to consider at a better price.

>[e-mail]

Coleman makes a bunch, but they break a lot.  I know you know
Honda makes a good one but it is expensive, but I have a Honda.
It's 600 watts, will charge 12 volt batteries,  is *very* quiet,
always starts when I need it, and is about 10 years old.  The only
thing I have ever done to it is put gas and oil in it.   I've been
thru a few Colemans, and a Homelite.  In an emergency, I would
imagine you would want a generator that works, not one that
needs to be returned for repair, so I would suggest you bite the
bullet and spend a few extra bucks and get the Honda.  I doubt
you will be sorry.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:19:59 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Glen Glisinski)
Subject: New Canadian Pirate Radio Web Site
Message-ID: <6117cc$[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:26:52 GMT

Check out Canada's only web site dedicated to pirate radio. Online
pirate radio newsletters, text files, audio clips (now in Real Audio),
pictures, our own loging area, current info on where to find the most
current Pirate radio stations, and much more.  The address is:
http://www.speedline.ca/~glen

Glen Glisinski
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:00 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: New Low Rate 'USA QSL BUREAU"
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 12:57:53 GMT
Message-ID: <4q13ps$[e-mail]>
References: <4pq8mp$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Bill Turner) wrote:

>Now I'm not normally tooooooo suspicious, but here's a new QSL bureau that:

>1.  Has no names.
>2.  Has no calls.
>3.  Has no street address.
>4.  Wants you to send 'em five bucks.

>Hmmmmmm...

>73, Bill W7LZP
>[e-mail]

You noticed that too, Bill ? Plus the caps lock on their keyboard is
stuck. Anyway, I'd forget about them. Tell you what, Bill, I'm good in
any callbook.  Send me a hundred cards and only $4.50, and I'll throw
them in the trash for you. How's that for a deal. You'll save fifty
cents.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:01 1996
From: [e-mail] (Tim Barnby)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: New Mailing List
Date: 13 Jun 1996 17:38:55 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Send mail to:  [e-mail] with the message

subscribe radio



This is a BRAND NEW Mailing list dedicated to HAM Radio operation.


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:02 1996
From: [e-mail] (r)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Qsl Info File Available Monthly from our WWW site.
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 02:36:45 GMT
Message-ID: <4q2ggd$[e-mail]>


Qsl Info File is available monthly from our www site. The file runs
with software such as Dbase..Vplus.. or Totalham. For more information
set your browzer to www.coredcs.com/~mtw  Hope to see you there. Best
of Dx.



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:02 1996
From: [e-mail] (John KD7AAT)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack-You've got questions?-We've got BLANK STARES!
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 19:56:52 GMT
Message-ID: <4pfaa6$[e-mail]>
References: <4j1egi$[e-mail]> <4jae28$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pc127$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Got a complaint about the service you get at Radio Shack?    Do this
then.  Ask them to go out and hire some well trained electronics
wizzards and have them there during all hours of operation.  Next,
come back a week later and see how much the 19 cent resistors are.

You get what you pay for.  You want cheap parts go to Radio Shack.
You want tech support go someplace else.





From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:04 1996
From: [e-mail] (Frank Dinger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack-You've got questions?-We've got BLANK STARES!
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:14:31 +0100
Message-ID: <4pnca9$[e-mail]>
References: <4j1egi$[e-mail]> <4jae28$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pc127$[e-mail]> <4pfaa6$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In message <[e-mail]>
        [e-mail] (A.G. von Luternow) writes:

> On Sun, 09 Jun 1996 19:56:52 GMT, [e-mail] (John KD7AAT) wrote:

> >Got a complaint about the service you get at Radio Shack?    Do this
> >then.  Ask them to go out and hire some well trained electronics
> >wizzards and have them there during all hours of operation.  Next,
> >come back a week later and see how much the 19 cent resistors are.
> >
> >You get what you pay for.  You want cheap parts go to Radio Shack.
> >You want tech support go someplace else.
> >

>  Yes you can go elsewhere for tech support but shouldn't the
> sales people have some basic knowledge concerning the products they
> are selling? I don't mean the miscellaneous hardware but the
> higher-ticket items.
>  Ask about those new CB radios (amateur gear) and play dumb.
> Will it work with my CB radio? What do I have to do to use it?
>   Ask about the computer on display. Can I up-grade the
> processor? What sort of RAM does it use? Does it have an on-board
> cache?
>  Buy some coax and watch them coil it from hand-to-elbow rather
> than spool it.
>  RS seems to have little or no training for their sales people.
> The only good thing about RS is the convience.

> 73 de N4JVP
> Fritz

 ============ response GM0CSZ / KN6WH

Wish to add that in Britain components at Radio Shack are relatively
expensive , indeed it's just convenience for the odd urgently
required component or electronic gadget.   In Britain components can
be best purchased via same day dispatch mail order.

Frank Dinger , Inver by Tain , Ross-shire IV20 1RX - Scotland
e-mail :  [e-mail]
Packet :  GM0CSZ @ GB7NOS.#76.GBR.EU



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:05 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack-You've got questions?-We've got BLANK STARES!
Date: 12 Jun 1996 22:31:00 GMT
Message-ID: <4pngf4$[e-mail]>
References: <4pi6vg$[e-mail]>


>
>Exactly what you said. I worked at the local Rat Shack for 4 months and final
ly HAD to quit. Our
manager was a 28 year old female (no pun intended) that had NO knowledge whats
oever of anything
electronic.  She was constantly in the back office talking to her mother on th
e phone while everyone
else actually did the work.  We actually only had three people including mysel
f who had any computer
or electronics knowledge. Right after I quit, the my other friend quit also le
aving just one person with
any sort of electronics experience.
        And the markup is horrendous!  HTX-212's that sell for 349.99 cost the store
$194.00. Not a
bad markup! Well, the one good thing I could say was that the assistant manage
r was bright. He
should be the manager as you could trust him when he told you something while
the RED-HEADED
manager should have been on the sales floor. In JC Penneys or Sears. Well, eno
ugh of Rat Shack.
Probably the best game in town for one or two small items not readily availabl
e elsewhere.  For all other
purchases, however, skip them and find a real store.  That's it ..


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:06 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Radio Shack-You've got questions?-We've got BLANK STARES!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4pi6vg$[e-mail]> <4pngf4$[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 10:32:30 GMT

<[e-mail]> wrote:
>       And the markup is horrendous!  HTX-212's that sell for 349.99 cost t
>he store $194.00. Not a
>bad markup!

Hi Steve, Have you bought your wife/girlfriend jewelry? Are you aware
such items are marked up anywhere from 500 to 1000%?  That $349 price
you quoted is only an 80% markup. So you're correct, that isn't a bad
markup at all; it's quite reasonable.
Jeff KH2PZ / KH6


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:08 1996
From: [e-mail] (John Stephen Patrick)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack-You've got questions?-We've got BLANK STARES!
Date: 17 Jun 1996 06:18:26 GMT
Message-ID: <4q2tbi$[e-mail]>
References: <4pi6vg$[e-mail]> <4pngf4$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:

><[e-mail]> wrote:
>>      And the markup is horrendous!  HTX-212's that sell for 349.99 cost t
>>he store $194.00. Not a
>>bad markup!

>Hi Steve, Have you bought your wife/girlfriend jewelry? Are you aware
>such items are marked up anywhere from 500 to 1000%?  That $349 price
>you quoted is only an 80% markup. So you're correct, that isn't a bad

Well, if stores around you have a 500+% markup on jewelry, you're
shopping at the wrong stores!  My father is a jeweler, and a district
manager of one of the largest jewelry chains.  While some markup is 300%
(rarely), most is 100-200%.  Why?  Long shelf life.  Average diamond
ring sits on the shelf for 15+ months.  That's a long time, compared to
most retail outlets.  Gold (bracelets, necklaces, etc) has the highest
markup (200-300%), but are often sold at 50% off (bringing markup to
100-150%)

Well, back you your regular ham programming.

>markup at all; it's quite reasonable.
>Jeff KH2PZ / KH6

John  (1st ticket in the mail!)
--
                   John Patrick ([e-mail])
  Electrical/Computer Engineering Senior @ The University of Oklahoma
* John's EE Page:  <http://www.ecn.uoknor.edu/~jspatric/ee-info.html> *
                           Check it out!


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:09 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack-You've got questions?-We've got BLANK STARES!
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 96 18:40:24
Message-ID: <4qa38m$[e-mail]>
References: <4pi6vg$[e-mail]> <4pngf4$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q2tbi$[e-mail]>

You should keep in mind that the gross margin (350-195=155) on that unit goes
to
pay for quite a few expenses, such as sales commissions, manager salaries, tur
ning
on the heat, lights, air conditioning, paying the rent and a whole lot more.
If you
work in any retail type establishment and pay attention to what things cost an
d
what they sell for, you will see similar things.  One important factor often f
orgotten
is that most retail businesses must buy their merchandise and then try to sell
 it after
it arrives -- and so there is a financial cost since the vendor will want to b
e paid in
most cases before all the product is sold.  After all these costs are deducted
 from
the gross margin, you are left with net margin -- then you still have to pay t
axes,
and more.

I'm sure this is one of the reasons that many small local ham radio dealers ha
ve not
continued in this part of the business -- if you have to maintain a storefront
 presence,
your gross margin must be a lot more than a catalog shop so that there is <<so
me>>
positive net margin!

Regards, Dan   AA3LS


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:10 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Robert Roosen)
Subject: San Diego Field Day Operator Available
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 22:53:58 GMT

        I am a 53 year old general class ham with experience in phone and
cw field day contests.  If you need a good operator for field day, send
me an e-mail.
Robert WA9HBA


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:11 1996
From: [e-mail] (Harry Lukefahr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: sats
Date: 17 Jun 96 00:48:26 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

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i recently bought a used psk-1 and i am needing more imformation
on how and what i need to know ,wiring and the correct connection
...the tnc i plan on using is a mfj1278  the manual
with the psk-1 doesnot  have enought info
and the mfj manual dont have quite enought i feel.
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on how and what i need to know ,wiring and the correct connection
...the tnc i plan on using is a mfj1278  the manual
with the psk-1 doesnot  have enought info
and the mfj manual dont have quite enought i feel.
if you can help please reply.

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From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:12 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Shape of a CW envelop (was Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second?)
Date: 19 Jun 1996 03:53:50 GMT
Message-ID: <4q7tke$[e-mail]>
References: <4pq3e4$[e-mail]> <4q2h13$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
Jeffrey Herman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>That isn't exactly what you meant to say I know. The CW envelope isn't
>>exactly a rectangular pulse, so simply multiplying its duration by power
>>doesn't give exactly the correct answer. You really need to take the
>>integral of the area under the pulse.
>
>Why would you integrate the area? Assuming the area is constant gives
>you an integral of a constant. So now you've got a linear function in t:
>f(t) = (area)*t. Now what?

Well, a good CW operator shapes the keying to avoid key clicks; ideally,
you use a raised cosine shape for each transition.  The faster the
transition, the closer to the ideal rectangle you get, and the more
you can assume the area is linear with respect to time, but you're
liable to get an OO notice for key clicks.

--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are mine and should *
 * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as     *
 * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.          *



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:13 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Ten-Tec Scout info wanted
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <4ppjhc$[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 07:51:06 GMT

In article <4ppjhc$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David Stites) writes
:
>I am working on the code to upgrade to tech+ and will need an hf
>radio. The Ten-Tec Scout looks attractive, especially in price. Are
>they as good as the advertisements say?

The Scout is Ok, but it is not nearly as cheap as it first appears.
By the time you buy all the modules, noise blanker, etc that are
sold separately, you'll spend as much as you'd spend for a more
complete radio in the first place. And when you consider the space
you'll need to keep all the band modules, the rig isn't nearly
as small as it first appears either. And of course it is not as
well integrated as other radios.

It also has another strange feature which you may find annoying.
The main frequency control is an analog VFO, but it uses a
microprocessor controlled correction voltage which causes the
radio to periodically "junp" back on frequency as it applies
a discrete correction for oscillator drift.

It *is* a Ten-Tec, however, so it has a robust PA, a good
audio section, and a quiet RF section. Like other Ten-Tecs,
it has good QSK. Aside from the annoying jumps, the VFO has
low phase noise. If you can put up with the hassles of changing
band modules, and don't need solid frequency stability for digital
modes, it is not a bad radio.

Just don't be taken in by the low initial price. Add up all the
options you need to bring it up to full capability before you
compare it to other radios such as the Alinco DX-70 or the IC-706.
Notice also that those other radios offer general coverage receive,
six meters, and in the case of the IC-706 two meters too, while
the Scout does not. But if what you really want is a monobander,
then the Scout looks pretty good.

Gary
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es
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From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:14 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jerry B. Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ten-Tec Scout info wanted
Date: 13 Jun 1996 22:42:43 -0400
Message-ID: <4pqjj3$[e-mail]>
References: <4ppjhc$[e-mail]>

In article <4ppjhc$[e-mail]>, David Stites <[e-mail]> wrote
:
>I am working on the code to upgrade to tech+ and will need an hf
>radio. The Ten-Tec Scout looks attractive, especially in price. Are
>they as good as the advertisements say?

I can't speak from use-experience, but...

If you add up the total amount you need to get an all-band radio, with the
noise blanker and power supply (if you don't already have one), you're
already looking at the same price as a low-end YaeComWood HF radio. If all
you want is 10m, there are some 10m dedicated rigs out there, too. (Ranger?
if I remember correctly.) There's also always the used-rig path.

That having been said, it's supposed to be a nice rig overall.

Ten-Tec has very good service (and some say with good reason!). Plus,
they're an American company, if that type of thing is a deciding factor for
you.

Please respect the Followup-to: line.

>David Stites, KD7ACU

//jbaltz
--
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]                KE3ML


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:15 1996
From: [e-mail] (bob puharic)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: the eiffel tower
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 02:06:29 GMT
Message-ID: <4q9jdm$[e-mail]>
References: <4pbn6i$[e-mail]>

Bill Meara <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Questions:  Do buildings like this regularly take direct hits?  Do these
>lightning strikes fry the equipment attached to the antennas?  What
>precautions do equipment operators normally take?  When the towers get
>hit, are there any consequences/dangers for people and equipment in the
>floors below?

At the top of the eiffel tower on my recent paris trip, i had the
opportunity to check some lightening protection....They have a number
of long pipes with copper spikes at the end mounted 2 per side on each
of the 4 sides of the tower at the observation deck at abt 950'. this
is abt 100' below the top of the radio antennas at the top of the
tower. these spikes are obviously current discharges spikes similar to
those used on commericial radio towers. Incidentally, the official
history of the tower says that the french army used it in ww1 for
communications, and that "radio saved the tower".


oh, yes, i almost forgot...the view from the top of the tower is
pretty nice...



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:16 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
From: [e-mail] (Enno)
Subject: Re: The German (ham) pyche
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4pe8o5$[e-mail]> <4pf7ij$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4phf5r$[e-mail]> <4pinpj$[e-mail]> <4poje5$[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:15:07 GMT

[e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:

>      [e-mail] (Arden Eby) wrote:
>  >[e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:

>>>With all due respect Arden, you've read much more into my
>>>posts than was intended.  I have no desire to dissect the
>>>inane perversities of the various socialist sects, nor do
>>>I find such scrutiny necessary in order to accurately
>>>describe their members as thieves and extortionists.

>>Well if you define the term "socialism" as "perverse thieve
>>and extortionists," then the NaziÆs were certainly "socialists."
>>However, please realize that this is a highly idiosyncratic
>>definition.

>My definition is objectively derived from socialism's primary
>mandate - economic control and regulation.  Socialist governments
>take earnings and other property without permission of the owners.
>That's theft. Compliance is achieved through the threat of force.
>That's extortion.

What is wrong with some economic control and regulation?
I don't see anything about stealing there.....
If you mean confiscating property I think you are a bit confused with
communism or some lowlife dictatorship.


>If my definition is idiosyncratic, Webster's Dictionary isn't
>as truthful as I thought.  ;)

>73,
>Jack  WB3U




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:17 1996
From: "John L. Broughton" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: The German (ham) pyche
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 08:41:06 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Siegfried Rambaum wrote:
>
> Burt Fisher wrote:

[snip, snip]

> > > Surely there are some caring decent German people that would resist
>
> There had been some. I would want you to visit the Dachau concentration
> camp near Munich, and please, take an interpreter along with you. There
> were Germans, who resisted in the bureaucracy, who dared investigate and
> initiate prosecution of the Nazi murders ... and who in turn were murdered
> for thei civil courage, too.

There seems to still be disagreements among historians and scholars as to the
general attitude of the German population during this time.  However, your poi
nt
is well taken.

My first wife was German and I was got married there.  Her father and two brot
hers
served in the German Army, Air Force and Marines and were all captured.  By me
re
coincidence, they all arrived home on the same day.  Her father worked for the
Bundespost (German Post Office).  None of the family ever belonged to any of t
he
Nazi organizations (which was difficult as government employees were expected
to).
None of them shared the Nazi ideals.  They did have the required picture of Hi
tler
and a copy of Mein Kampf, but they were only brought out into view if they had
 a
visitor they did not know or trust.

During the war, Jewish prisoners were used for maintenance around their apartm
ent
building.  It was obvious they were not receiving sufficient food.  My ex-pare
nts-
in-law would wrap up food and put it the garbage cans for the prisoners.  If t
hey
had gotten caught it is quite possible they would have been killed.  Not ever
having
gone through something like that, I cannot imagine how much courage it took to
perform an act that could easily end up in death.

Anyway, certainly not all Germans were accomplices of the Nazis

And, it still amazes me that folks keep overlooking Josef Stalin who
had 20 million people killed, over three times the number in the
Holocaust.

73 and auf wiederschrieben,

--
======================================================================
John L. Broughton      [e-mail]      http://www.mcs.net/~wb9vgj/
======================================================================


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:18 1996
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: The German (ham) pyche
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 17:59:19 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4pe8o5$[e-mail]> <4pf7ij$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4phf5r$[e-mail]> <4pinpj$[e-mail]> <4pk9ap$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Dave Heil wrote:
>
> What has any of this nonsense to do with amateur radio?
>
> Dave OH2/K8MN

Yes we should discuss the really important topics of the day, like
traffic, contests, code or no code.

#================#=====================================================#|  Bur
t Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#|
                       [e-mail]                          |
#======================================================================#
http://www.qrz.com/cgi-bin/qrz_gifs?k1oik.gif


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:19 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: The German (ham) pyche
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 05:57:53 GMT
Message-ID: <4poe1l$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Siegfried Rambaum wrote:
>>
>> PS: Before you reply, please THINK

>I did.

First time for everything, huh Burt ? That oughta give you a headache
for about two weeks.....

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:20 1996
From: [e-mail] (Wolfgang F. Gaerber)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: The German (ham) pyche
Date: 18 Jun 1996 16:18:16 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4pf7ij$[e-mail]>

>   [e-mail] (Roger J. Buffington; AB6WR) wrote:

>>Germany's actions re: the murder of 10 million people, was
>>inexcusable, and unspeakably evil.

>And it was committed by an organization of National *Socialists*.

You take the word socialists out of its connection, and have no
idea about any principle - european politic works -
The socialists lead the politic wing of the EC - And the last
french president (Miterrand?) was also a member of the socialist
party...........

>>However, I call to your attention the fact that Germany
>>has admitted its guilt, and has tried to attone for it.

>Acknowledging guilt is grossly inadequate to reconcile what
>the Nazi party did in terms of the country's ongoing liability.
>Germany is still governed by socialists and despite the horror
>of their history, they have not formed a constitution capable of
>preventing such atrocities in the future.  For the present
>government to merely understand and admit that the genocide
>committed by the Nazis was wrong will be of little comfort to
>any future victims.

He JAck !

Do you really think - that the US constitution . or something
in your mind is the only garant for a stable democracy ?
Wonna heal the world by dictationship of rulez ?
Poor US people ....
Maybe you still haven`t discovered that there are some kinds of
Law-systems in the world ???
And I think - that the national oriented parties in germany are -
compared to the US republics - really harmless and social
oriented parties ...
You cannot compare the situation in the States (without having any
idea of foreign history -) with other countrys.
And the education - your government and TV applys to you - may not
equal the present situation in any country.....

Socialists :

This party is the reason why we have a good social system in our
countrys - which cannot compared in any case with that one in the US
....


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:21 1996
From: [e-mail] (A.G. von Luternow)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: The German (ham) pyche & a New Newsgroup?
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:04:43 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4os6e4$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4p7tsf$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

On Sat, 08 Jun 1996 11:03:51 -0400, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
wrote:
-snip-
>
>Of course those Germans NOT alive during World War II cannot be held
>responsible. But I refuse to respond to German "CQs" because I feel the
>mindset of Germans even today would allow a repeat of the holocaust if
>the only could find another Hitler. This was shown during the recent
>Gulf war when Germany was the one selling weapons and materials to make
>poison gas to Iraq.
>
        There are several American firms that have been charged ( some
convicted, some still awaiting trial ) with doing business illegally
with Iraq. Following Mr Fisher's convoluted logic I think we can
substitute American for German in the next paragraph.

>Surely there are some caring decent German people that would resist
>another Hitler and another holocaust but there are too many Germans just
>waiting to finish what Hitler started.
>

>Is there anyone that agrees AND is willing to say so?
>I notice that hams rarely will stand up for or stand against anything.
>

        Here Mr Fisher makes an error and he must admit it! He failed
to attach on of his well known sigs.
        It appears that no one agrees and is willing to say so but the
threads that Mr Fisher's posts have initiated show a good number of
hams who do not agree with Mr Fisher's logic have stood up to say so.

Enough about the article, now a proposal for new newsgroup. Why not
        rec.radio.amateur.trolling
where interesting but off-topic threads can reside without being
posted to multiple newsgroups.
(rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,policy,rec.
radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment)?

back to the regularly scheduled code/no code debate...
73 de N4JVP
Fritz





From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:23 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: The German (ham) pyche (Reply Part 2)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 23:02:11 GMT
Message-ID: <4psr36$[e-mail]>

      [e-mail] (Arden Eby) wrote:

>Now, getting away from economics per se, what about "regulation?"
>LetÆs use amateur radio as an example.  There are no doubt
>individuals who would like to end all frequency regulation
>whatsoever.  However, this would OBVIOUSLY make the bands unusable.

Hold on there, Arden, its not obvious to me.  Owning land
without government regulation doesn't make it unusable, nor
does owning a business, a house, a computer, or anything else.
Why couldn't I own, say, 70 MHz to 71 MHz?  What would make
it unusable, and why is it reasonable to expect it to be
usable when the government grants it through a license, but
not when I own it outright?

>Thus, all of the good things we do in Ham radio, ARES, MARS,
>RACES, SAREX, Handi-Hams, would be wiped out.  To paraphrase
>Hobbs, in such an environment, our "amateur radio experience"
>would be nasty, brutish and short.

Maybe, maybe not.  Maybe we would all say the heck with
ham radio, sell our homestead frequencies and retire
to St. Bart.

>However, we as a people, through our representatives have
>determined that if we regulate the bands they will be more
>useful and more enjoyable than if they were left unregulated.

When did we do that?  In the U.S., the great majority of
people had no voice whatsoever in determining the use to
which the spectrum was put.  In fact, most of the U.S.
population wasn't even aware of the need to make such a
decision, and no representatives were elected on the basis
that they were qualified to do so.

Also, in the U.S., the final result was a mixture of the
desire by the U.S. military to confiscate all frequencies
for its own use, and Congress, who finally (by a narrow vote)
decided the military shouldn't be allowed to accrue that much
power in comparison to itself.  Congress won this power
struggle only because of the Constitution of the U.S.

>Most hams WANT regulation of the ham bands because clearly
>such regulation is in the best interest of EVERYONE.

Bullcrap.  Most hams want regulation because it provides
them with free spectrum.

>Is it really such a stretch to imagine that there might be
>other areas of life in which such regulation might be desirable?
>Today I got a notice from my city that I had to trim my tree.
                     <snip>

The remainder of this presentation serves only to accuse
the opponents of socialism of being anarchists.  While I
believe that is not the case, it is irrelevant to this
discussion and does not represent my own beliefs.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:24 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dave Kaylor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Trouble with FT51R after Mofification
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:10:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4pngr2$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:35:35 -0700, "Jim Gerke, KC5OA"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Daren349 wrote:
>>
>> I had the extended RF mod done on my FT51R today and now it will not
>> except my my file from the ADMS software. It always says "Clone error"
>> Does anyone know what the problem might be? Any help is appreciated!!!!
>> Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Daren Brantley
>
>The mod sheet I got from Yaesu has a note following the mod that says:
>
>"NOTE: If programming with the ADMS-1 software, read the radio first,
>then put frequencies back into radio."
>
>I believe that the ADMS-1 software assumes a certain jumper configuration
>(frequency range) for the FT-51. After the mod, the configuration is
>different, therefore the software won't work. You must read data from the
>radio first to tell it the software about the new configuration. Then
>downloading back to the radio should work ok.
>
>73, Jim, KC5OA
Can someone e-mail me the mod sheet for the FT-51. I just ordered one
and would like to know how to mod it for expanded receive. Thanks Dave
Kaylor



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:25 1996
From: [e-mail] (Luiz Felipe Ceglia)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.swap
Subject: TS-700 IC-290 JRC-JST-135
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:27:35 -0200
Message-ID: <4q3tkg$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Hi,

I need manual or diagram or any information on any of these radio:

JRC's JST-135

ICOM IC-290

KENWOOD TS-700

Thanks and 73's


Felipe PU1WLF



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:27 1996
From: [e-mail] (Hans Brakob)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Unlicensed Buyers
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:29:31 -0100

The DNR, in order to eliminate unlicensed fishing, has adopted
the following rules which are effective immediately.
    -
Sales of fishing equipment and supplies will be restricted
to only those persons who can show a valid fishing license.
Ownership of fishing equipment by unlicensed persons is
prohibited.
    -
This restriction applies to all the following:
..fishing rods and reels
..string which could be modified to use as fishing line
..fishing line which could be modified to use as string
..fishing lures
..minnows, night-crawlers, and chicken livers
..garden forks which might be used for clandestine
  collection of worms by unlicensed persons
    -
In addition, manufacturers of the above items can market them
only through DNR approved outlets.  (The DNR will NOT approve
retail outlets, such as K-Mart, Radio Shack, or other locations
where the equipment and supplies might be viewed by the
general public in an uncontrolled manner.)  Approved outlets
will normally be located distant from the intended market, and
will be limited in number.
    -
If the number of licensed fishermen declines, further
restrictions on equipment sales will be considered, including
consideration of selling all the lakes and rivers to
commercial enterprises, making fishing by private individuals
illegal. Funds raised by the sale of these public assets will
be used for more deserving DNR projects, such as price
supports for mink farmers.

The DNR did not explain how these actions would eliminate
unlicensed fishers, who typically purchase equipment from
1-800 operations which advertise "habla espanol".





From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:28 1996
From: [e-mail] (A.G. von Luternow)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Unlicensed Buyers
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 03:01:20 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4pt42o$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

On Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:38:12 GMT, [e-mail] (Jim
Kehler) wrote:

>
>Hans, it's time for your medication again.........
>

NO WAY! I found it to be quite enjoyable in its symbolism but
unfortunately I wasn't able to find anything that might reference the
code/no code debate.

73 de N4JVP
Fritz



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:29 1996
From: [e-mail] (Darrell Earnshaw)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Unlicensed Buyers
Date: 17 Jun 1996 17:06:23 GMT
Message-ID: <4q43af$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Hans Brako
b) says:
>
>The DNR, in order to eliminate unlicensed fishing, has adopted
>the following rules which are effective immediately.
>    -
>Sales of fishing equipment and supplies will be restricted
>to only those persons who can show a valid fishing license.
>Ownership of fishing equipment by unlicensed persons is
>prohibited.
>    -
>This restriction applies to all the following:
>..fishing rods and reels
>..string which could be modified to use as fishing line
>..fishing line which could be modified to use as string
>..fishing lures
>..minnows, night-crawlers, and chicken livers
>..garden forks which might be used for clandestine
>  collection of worms by unlicensed persons
>    -
>In addition, manufacturers of the above items can market them
>only through DNR approved outlets.  (The DNR will NOT approve
>retail outlets, such as K-Mart, Radio Shack, or other locations
>where the equipment and supplies might be viewed by the
>general public in an uncontrolled manner.)  Approved outlets
>will normally be located distant from the intended market, and
>will be limited in number.
>    -
>If the number of licensed fishermen declines, further
>restrictions on equipment sales will be considered, including
>consideration of selling all the lakes and rivers to
>commercial enterprises, making fishing by private individuals
>illegal. Funds raised by the sale of these public assets will
>be used for more deserving DNR projects, such as price
>supports for mink farmers.
>
>The DNR did not explain how these actions would eliminate
>unlicensed fishers, who typically purchase equipment from
>1-800 operations which advertise "habla espanol".
>
>
>
 Cool! But what has this to do with amateur radio?


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:30 1996
From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: US Operation in Canada?
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 96 14:50:08 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4prfe8$[e-mail]>

Operation by US hams holding Tech Plus privileges and operating in Canada
MAY NOT operate on 160 meters because they don't have that band available to
them in their home country.  Only these privileges in common (between the home
country and the country of operation) for a specific class of license are
allowed.  In other words, you cannot have more operating privileges in a forei
gn
country than you have at home.

Other comments and discussion would be welcomed.

-
73 de Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:31 1996
From: Jim Cummings <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: US Operation in Canada?
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:19:52 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4prfe8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
To: "Stephan M. Anderman" <[e-mail]>

Stephan M. Anderman wrote:
>
> Operation by US hams holding Tech Plus privileges and operating in Canada
> MAY NOT operate on 160 meters because they don't have that band available to
> them in their home country.  Only these privileges in common (between the ho
me
> country and the country of operation) for a specific class of license are
> allowed.  In other words, you cannot have more operating privileges in a for
eign
> country than you have at home.
>
> Other comments and discussion would be welcomed.
>
> -
> 73 de Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB
> [e-mail]

Anderman is incorrect.  There is no concept within the Canadian regulations
of commonality of frequencies that a visiting amateur may use.  Such a
concept would mean that Canadian authorities would be in the untenable
position of enforcing regulations for which those in Canada would not have
had the opportunity on which to comment.

I might advise Anderman to obtain a copy of RIC 25 from Industry Canada and
note that in subsection 45(3) of the General Radio Regulations, Part II, a
person holding a Technician Plus licence issued by the FCC is permitted to
operate only OOK emissions on the 160 metre bands.

73 and live better digitally
Jim, VE3XJ


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:32 1996
From: Chuck Harrington <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Vanity Call Signs??
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 02:38:02 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Anyone got a license back yet from the vanity call sign program? Just
Curious. Files my app on June 1.

73 Chuck


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:32 1996
From: Richard Fahey <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Variable capacitor
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:07:19 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Can anyone tell me where to get a 75-100pf variable capacitor?


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:33 1996
From: "Stuart R. Crawford VE6SRC" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: VE6HRA Field Day
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:49:56 -0600
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960617164827.14955E-100000@dec>
To: [e-mail]

The High River Amateur Radio Club will be active during field day from
Nanton, Alberta, callsign VE6HRA.  Will be QRV on all bands. (hopefully)
for more information contact VE6WD in High River.


Stuart R. Crawford VE6SRC       [e-mail]
Calgary, Alberta                ve6src@ve6yyc.#sab.ab.can.na
[phone]

STOP BY THE ARLA WEB SITE -- http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~crawfors/arla



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:34 1996
From: "Stuart R. Crawford VE6SRC" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: VE6RAC Field Day
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:46:13 -0600
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960617164527.14955D-100000@dec>
To: [e-mail]


VE6RAC FIELD DAY SITE
=====================

Field Day tis year is June 22-23 1996. It starts at noon on Saturday and
goes through till noon on Sunday.

The VE6RAC Field Day site is about 25 miles east of Calgary at the farm
of Henning Reinwald VE6KX.

Starting from 16Ave and 68 St NE go 32 km east on Hwy 1. You will pass
the Hwy 24 junction. The intersection where you turn has a high tension
electric wire with orange balls on the wires. Turn right (south) here and
go 3.2 km (2 miles). Turn left (east) at the intersection and go 0.8 km
(half mile) You will see Henning's beam on the left. There are two
houses, Hennings is the second on the left. It takes about 20 minutes
from the starting point.

If you wish to camp over, there is room. Bring the family for a weekend
of fun and ham radio. For more information contact Ken Oelke at 280-5340
email:[e-mail]

See you there.

Raj VE6RAJ




From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:35 1996
From: [e-mail] (-A.SCHWARZ)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Vibroplex Parts Source?
Date: 13 Jun 1996 17:16:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Message-ID: <4ppie3$[e-mail]>

Is Vibroplex still in business and if so, does anyone know their tel. number
and address? I do not see them in QST anymore. I need to order some parts
for my old paddle.

Thanks...



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:36 1996
From: [e-mail] (Clay Irving)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: WANTED: Yaesu FT51R WWW Info
Date: 13 Jun 1996 19:56:32 -0400
Message-ID: <4pq9rg$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David Martin)
 writes:

>If you know of an internet resource that supports the
>Yaesu brand of ham radio equipment please let me know.
>Including: WWW pages, FTP sites, etc. If a site has
>anything about Yaesu products let me know. I am
>building a Yaesu WWW page for the hobbyist that
>owns primarily one of their FT51R handhelds.

May we assume you have http://www.yaesu.com/

--
                                           c l a y   i r v i n g
                                                           N2VKG
                                                  [e-mail]
                                     http://www.panix.com/~clay/


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:37 1996
From: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WHAT WE'RE USING HERE
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 96 10:41:00 -0400
Distribution: world
Reply-To: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)


To: [e-mail]
Subject: WHAT WE'RE USING HERE

CM>I'm using Procomm Plus like half the other people here. Line wrap
  >is on but your posting just falls off the screen.

I'm using the dos version with OLX and it works better than the windows
3.0 version!
---
   OLX 1.53   -------------->    73, de NK2U    <----------------
 * Origin: CyberNet BBS   Lyndhurst, NJ (1:2604/151)

             ......oooooOOOOOo         http://www.intac.com/~cono
     ___,-----.----+_________#_     The Roy Hobbs BBS [e-mail]
     |________| |__|___________}          Node 1: 201-641-7307
      ooooo oo ~ ooO-O-O-O == oo\         Node 2: 201-641-3126



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:38 1996
From: [e-mail] (Richard P. Murnane)
Newsgroups: aus.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Wireless Institute of Australia (VK2) Home page updated
Date: 16 Jun 1996 13:34:15 GMT
Message-ID: <4q12gn$[e-mail]>
References: <4q00l4$[e-mail]>

In article <4q00l4$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Richard P
.
Murnane) wrote:
> I have just updated the WIA (NSW Division) Home page. You might like to chec
k
> it out, as I have added many new links, and other information about the WIA
> and Amateur operations in New South Wales and Australia.

Silly me to have forgotten the URL, it's...

   http://sydney.dialix.oz.au/~wiansw

73 Richard VK2SKY


--
Richard Murnane VK2SKY
Email: [e-mail]
Web: http://www.zeta.org.au/~richardm
Packet: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:38 1996
From: [e-mail] (bob puharic)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: xtians
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 02:02:21 GMT
Message-ID: <4q9j5t$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4p47gr$[e-mail]> <4p4fjd$[e-mail]> <4pa4bj$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pjm75$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Paul Bennett) wrote:


>Xian (or Xtian):  A term I have been seeing more of late referring to
>                 Christians(often of the fundamentalist type)

>Paul Bennett, N4EGO
>(Who is getting really, really tired of labels)

the term "xtian" was invented by CHRISTIANS. third century greek
xtians used this term to  refer to themselves, according to a "words
of faith" broadcast from the BBC i heard in december of '95.



From [e-mail] Wed Jun 19 21:20:39 1996
From: [e-mail] (Randall518)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Yaesu Follows Kenwood Lead?????
Date: 14 Jun 1996 23:07:21 -0400
Message-ID: <4pt9d9$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Randall518)

Hi all-
I run the local 2 meter rawchew net for the club here and a long time
check-in tonight told me he had seen Yaesu ham gear on sale at Ohio truck
stops!!!!!
Not that it really surprises me given Kenwood's mighty marketing plan for
reviving "interest" in our hobby by selling in CB shops and the like, but
has anyone else run into this?
Randy
N2VQD
Jamestown, NY
"Home of Lucille Ball, 10,000 Maniacs, Natalie Merchant, Roger Tory
Peterson and assorted others...."


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:27 1996
From: Peter Lemken <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10 meters wide open ALL day from Florida!
Date: 18 Jun 1996 10:52:25 GMT
Message-ID: <4q61p9$[e-mail]>
References: <4q1cvh$[e-mail]> <4q21tg$[e-mail]>

[e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ wrote:

> actually it looks like we have bottomed out.  the 1st REAL sunspots of the 2
3rd cycle have been spotted
>(no pun intended).
>
>figure 6 months more of really poor conditions and then the upward swing
>
>73, steve


Maybe, but a 28Meg Sporadic E opening certainly is NO indicator for a possible
upward swing of the cycle. And that was my point, plus Mr. Drew's idiotic
assumption that it is.


Peter Lemken
DF5JT/KE4UNQ



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:28 1996
From: Sam Alfano <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10/10# - where can I get one?
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 06:38:16 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4pmjs6$[e-mail]> <4pprks$[e-mail]> <4pq3vd$[e-mail]> <4ptm7h$[e-mail]> <4q6jtj$[e-mail]> <4qbigk$[e-mail]> <6147cc$b144.1df@NEWS> <4qe2cl$[e-mail]>

> >I don't think so Jim, the roster program still has you listed as:
> >KH2D  #16771  form Golden Beach MD. Once you get one, it's yours
> >till you part from the living.
>
> >Russ
> >N5EJS


Is the 10-10 roster anywhere on the Net?  I got my number back in the
70's, but I'm not sure I remember what it is.  I think it's 21826.  How
can I find out for sure?

Sam
AD5C


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:29 1996
From: [e-mail] (OSmith4404)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Se
Date: 25 Jun 1996 13:03:58 -0400
Message-ID: <4qp65u$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (OSmith4404)





Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
References: <[e-mail]>

You will notice dispersion especially with pulse propagation (the Fourier
transform of a pulse has a lot high freq. components in it), in which the
pulse looks less and less like a pulse as it travels down the coax.
Dispersion creates an effective upper limit on bandwidth of transmissions
over long distances.  The same phenomenon is present in any wave motion
through a medium other than vacuum.  Optical fibers are dispersive, as is
air for sound.  Dispersion is not generally a practical problem in most
amateur radio applications.  High speed computer designers have to worry
about it, though, as do long haul, high bandwidth network designers.
Ora


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:30 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <4pq3e4$[e-mail]> <4pqpbd$[e-mail]> <4proqc$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q0s9u$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:14:06 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> cgreenha@magnus.a
cs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher K. Greenhalgh) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> Jim Reid <[e-mail]> writes:
>[snip]
>>But photons DO NOT hve mass!
>[snip]
>But isnt light effected by gravity?    ;)
>
>Be careful...that statement puts you on a pretty slippery slope.

Photons always travel on a geodesic through space. In a gravity field,
a geodesic isn't a straight line. No rest mass is required of the photon
to explain the bending of a beam of light by the nearby presence of
a large mass. The photon just continues to travel on a geodesic, just
as it does in "flat" spacetime, but the geodesic is no longer a
straight line as it would be in "flat" spacetime.

If the photon had rest mass, then two photons on a parallel course
through "flat" space would attract each other (by Newton's Law of
Gravitation), and converge at some point. They don't do that.

(Note, "flat" spacetime is spacetime not distorted by the presence
of a local collection of matter.)

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:31 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Brian O'Neil)
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4pq3e4$[e-mail]> <4pqpbd$[e-mail]> <4proqc$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q2h13$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: 22 Jun 96 04:08:20 UTC

Gary Coffman said:

> when we're dealing with very weak signals
>which may only arrive one photon at a time, where we have to take the
>quanta into account.

Count on it!

Brian O'Neil
The Java Labs



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:32 1996
From: "Ken Bessler (KG0WX)" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second?
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:14:18 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4q15ik$[e-mail]>

Jim Martin wrote:
> Well, if time slows down as you approach C, and maybe it stops when
> you hit the big C, my real guess is that you could not issue a
> citation because you could never reach the violator unless you started
> at Point A the same time the violator did.
>
> And, if you were able to catch up with the violator (which
> theoretically you could not) that would mean that during your chase
> you had to exceed C in which case you would have travelled back in
> time....possibly to some instant before the violator left A.  So, you
> would have to issue the citation at Point A before the violator
> left...thus pissing him off for something he didn't do and making him
> so angry that he presses the accelerator to the floor and vanishes
> into nothingness for having not allowed a gradual acceleration which
> would have kept himself and his C craft from being crushed by the
> gravitational forces of that acceleration...Whew..I'm out of breath!
>

What about that breath? If you are at C, then when you exhale your breath
would be a C+(1-2mph?). Whould a sneeze be at warp speed?

This thread is hurting my brain...back to the KW amp on 10ghz.......bzzzzz.

--

                                Ken Bessler KG0WX
                                Design Services Company
                                http://www2.southwind.net/~kg0wx
                                Model railroad designing


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:33 1996
From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second?
Date: 24 Jun 1996 14:01:12 GMT
Message-ID: <4qm738$[e-mail]>
References: <4pq3e4$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qlrul$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

>But then you will be very suprised at
>how many groups have legitimately claimed points for laser contacts
>in amateur radio contests in the US.  QSX He-Ne red.  QSY to blue!

Hi Tony,

Well there should be an extra division for unlicensed light operators
in the contest results. So far the highest I have seen is 245 GHz,
and there are good reasons to accept this as the frequency record.

73, Moritz DL5UH



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:34 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <4pq3e4$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q2h13$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qlj21$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:21:31 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writ
es:
>The FCC licenses classes Tech, Tech Plus, General, Advanced and Extra
>to use ALL frequencies above 300GHz for amatuer radio communications.
>CQ X-Ray anyone?

I wonder if the NRC accepts FCC jurisdiction on these frequencies?

Gary

--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:35 1996
From: [e-mail] (Robert H.B. Netzer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 mph, What is it anyways, EH?
Date: 18 Jun 1996 11:59:50 GMT
Message-ID: <4q65nm$[e-mail]>
References: <4q3q4h$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wr
ites:
>Frank Sved <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>     EXAMPLE:  A pebble in a pond will give the appearance that a
>>               wave is moving when in actual fact each wave is an
>>               up and down movement and not travelling.
>
>Actually, the wave is propagated by means of each water particle moving
>in a circle; the radius of each described circle decreases with water depth.
>
>(See Bascom's Waves And Beaches)
>
>Jeff KH2PZ/KH6 (who gets first hand experience with waves and beaches daily)

In a single water wave of this type (one affected by gravity forces, not by
capillary forces), the water particles don't *quite* move in complete circles.
Each particle doesn't completely loop back around to its original starting
position.  So in fact the particles do translate forward, although slowly.

"Linear" water-wave theory predicts completely circular motion but that theory
contains a basic approximation that makes it a little inaccurate.  Higher-orde
r
analyses can predict the non-circular motion.


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:36 1996
From: Satoshi Manabe <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 mph, What is it anyways, EH?
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 04:46:07 -1000
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4q3q4h$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q467c$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Actually, 186,000 miles per SECOND.

Sorry I missed the original message.  Looks like very good questions.
Would appreciate if *someone* emailed to me.  TNX.

73 and Aloha, de WH6CTO
Satoshi Manabe
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:37 1996
From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 mph, What is it anyways, EH?
Date: 18 Jun 1996 14:23:01 -0700
Message-ID: <4q76nl$[e-mail]>
References: <4q3q4h$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q467c$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:

: Where is "outside the universe", Cecil? By definition, the universe
: is all there is. There is no "outside".

Hi Gary, That definition is not universally :-) accepted.
Remember the infinite number of universes looking like bubbles on
the cover of "Astronmy"? Some merging, most not. Our universe is
just one rather small ant farm. If one has enough energy, one can
create one's own universe out of nothing. In trying to rip a
single particle apart to form two monopoles, scientists succeeded
in creating another identical particle just like the one they
started with each maintaining its very own north and south pole.
Looks to me like space (as we know it) is a characteristic of
matter, not visa versa.

Where *is* outside the universe - and Who's on first.

73, Cecil, KG7BK (W6RCA soon), OOTC



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:38 1996
From: Paul Anderson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2-ways for neighborhood watch
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 07:40:56 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4q23l2$[e-mail]>

VPLS A10 1490 Martin Smith-Rod wrote:
>
> I'm looking for ideas on "2-way" radios to be used for our neighborhood
> watch night patrol. Am curious about other similar groups (volunteer,
> tiny-budget, etc) and wondering what they use.
>
> CB's don't seem to have good range. Marine bands are obviously a no-no. So
> what is out there? Any creative solutions? We have cell-phones, but need
> radio communication too.
>
> Help.
>

Sounds like an appropriate use for the soon-to-be-on-the-market Family
Radio Service (UHF short-range) radios.  Radio Shack and others should
have 'em for sale within a few weeks, I would imagine.  The expectation
seems to be that they'll be in the $100 - $150 range.

7777777  3333333      ****************************************
    77       33       **   Paul Anderson, AB4VA             **
   77       33        **   [e-mail]              **
  77         33       **   AB4VA @ KT4DI.#MLBFL.FL.USA.NA   **
 77      33  33       ****************************************
77         33


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:39 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2-ways for neighborhood watch
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 96 21:36:21 PDT
Message-ID: <NEWTNews.835245550.15041.abcom@Pabcom>
References: <4q23l2$[e-mail]>  <[e-mail]>


In Article<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> write:
> Path: news.deltanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.pitt.edu!scramble.lm.com!n
ews
> From: Ted F <[e-mail]>
> Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
> Subject: Re: 2-ways for neighborhood watch
> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:25:09 -0400
> Organization: Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh, PA
> Lines: 21
> Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
> References: <4q23l2$[e-mail]>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: tezerec.slip.lm.com
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (Win95; I)
>
> VPLS A10 1490 Martin Smith-Rod wrote:
> >
> > I'm looking for ideas on "2-way" radios to be used for our neighborhood
> > watch night patrol. Am curious about other similar groups (volunteer,
> > tiny-budget, etc) and wondering what they use.
> >
> > CB's don't seem to have good range. Marine bands are obviously a no-no. So
> > what is out there? Any creative solutions? We have cell-phones, but need
> > radio communication too.
> >
> > Help.
> >
> > Please post or email me at:   [e-mail]
> > --
> > Martin Smith-Rodden, photojournalist       [e-mail]
> > The Virginian-Pilot & Ledger-Star          The attached is my opinion...
> > 150 West Brambleton Avenue
> > Norfolk, VA. 23510                             ... not that of my
employer.
> Try GMRS.  I think you can get licenses as a group.
> Ted F.
> N3SQY
Check out the new Family Radio Service, 14 channels UHF, no licence required.



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:41 1996
From: "C. Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2-ways for neighborhood watch
Date: 20 Jun 1996 16:50:17 GMT
Message-ID: <4qbvg9$[e-mail]>
References: <4q23l2$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q7h8m$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Guy A. DeRose) wrote:
>In article <4q7h8m$[e-mail]> "C. Wheeler" <cwheeler@ccnet
.com> writes:
>
>>No, I can't say I agree with the idea that ham radio would be the best
>>answer here.
>
>I didn't state that ham radio was necessarily the best answer, but proposing
>that it was one worthy of consideration.  How do weekly nets fit in where
>nightly communications do not?


>Guy A. DeRose
>Physicist, homebrewer, PP-ASEL, KE6JTN


I never said it was not a worthy suggestion.  All suggestions are worth
looking at.  My opinion is that the requirements of ham radio probably
don't make it as practical as some other radio services for the person
who aske the original question.  You eventually have to decide which of
your ideas will suit your needs.  I would "hate give thumbs down to this
idea" but I would if some better ones were proposed.  I don't think it
would be tough to find some better suggestions in THIS example.

Ham radio might suit the needs of a neighborhood watch group - if the
individuals in the group were interested in becoming hams.

As for nets...  weekly (daily, monthly, whatever) nets are generally
conducted to pass on information to groups of amateurs.  The content of
most nets is of interest and use to amateurs.  They are not usually
considered "communications, on a regular basis, which could reasonably be
furnished alternatively through other radio services", where neighborhood
watch opertions could be.

Nets are also used for emergency training.  You check-in, you pass
traffic, etc.  And the reason hams are allowed to provide communications
assistance at events like parades is for the training value.

One of my favorite "training events" where I used to live was a once a
year neighborhood watch type event on Halloween.  A group of us from the
the local club would work with the police department to provide
"additional eyes" in the residential neighborhoods during the trick-or
treat hours.  We patrolled in cars for about 3 to 4 hours, in assigned
areas, and kept in touch with OUR net control who was set up at the
police station.

This was excellent training.  Passing messages, keeping track of operator
whereabouts, getting emergency traffic to local authorities, etc.  But no
one became an amateur in our town just to do that - I don't think.  And
we didn't do it every night.  It was a training opportunity, not a
regular job.


Curtis
KD6ELA / GROL / PP-ASEL
..and my opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it...



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:43 1996
From: Steve Roberts <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2-ways for neighborhood watch
Date: 19 Jun 1996 16:57:12 GMT
Message-ID: <4q9bh8$[e-mail]>
References: <4q23l2$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q7fgv$[e-mail]>

"C. Wheeler" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Ted F <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >VPLS A10 1490 Martin Smith-Rod wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm looking for ideas on "2-way" radios to be used for our neighborhood
> >> watch night patrol. Am curious about other similar groups (volunteer,
> >> tiny-budget, etc) and wondering what they use.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Martin Smith-Rodden, photojournalist       [e-mail]
> >> The Virginian-Pilot & Ledger-Star          The attached is my opinion...
> >> 150 West Brambleton Avenue
> >> Norfolk, VA. 23510                             ... not that of my employe
r.
> >Try GMRS.  I think you can get licenses as a group.

>
>
> I don't think that will work anymore.  GMRS licensees are only supposed
> to communicate with family (in the same household to be nit picky).
> There are commercial users on GMRS however no new commercial or
> non-family entities can get a GMRS license.
>
> You might check the rules, a local college here in Ohio
Organizes GMRS groups for its students, I belive the rule requires
each person to have a seperate GMRS license and then they can talk to each
other, REACT and some similar organizations are allowed the use of
one GMRS channel according to the rules, YOU want to talk to the Personal Radi
o
Steering Group to find out more. They have a web site and bbs someplace,
IF you are incorporated you could get a biz band itinerant channel but this
requires expensive coordination.

 just my 2 cents.


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:44 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Garver)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2M mobile freqs
Date: 20 Jun 1996 17:58:49 GMT
Message-ID: <4qc3gp$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
Andrew Lawlor  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Since the ARRL doesn't provide me with a free copy of their band plan, how
>would I know what the "simplex" freq's are supposed to be?  Gee Bob, it's
>a good think you started your original post off with that disclaimer, some
>packet folks might have really (and, apparently, inappropriately) jumped
>down your back for suggesting you use 145.10 as a simplex freq.

Since the packet folks seem to have taken over the 222 Mhz FM simplex
frequencies, I can't much sympathize with them if the find an occasional
voice station on 2 meters.
The band plan becomes more cofusing each year and certainly more regional.
I think we need to set up some independent regional groups and coordinators.
The local coordinator around here approved another repeater on 224.92 Mhz
that is about 3 miles from an existing repeater on 224.94 Mhz.  Both repeaters
have suffered from input splatter.  What kind of 'coordination' is this?
The 'calling' frequencies are another example of practical use vs. documented.
I read in a recent QST that the editor of the ARRL repeater guide described
146.52 as a 'calling frequency'.  I haven't looked in a new guide but 146.52
has been described as the 'national simplex' frequency in the older books
while something for DX like 144.200 is described as a 'calling frequency'.
This will undoubtably lead to attempts at enforcement that degrade amateur
radio, IMHO.

I listen to 146.52 a lot and have had some great chats on it.  Same goes
for 223.50 and 52.525 as well as 29.600 Mhz.  Why call an FM channel a
calling frequency?  How can you find anybody to talk to if nobody is there?

WA7LDV



--
[e-mail]          WA7LDV            I don't speak for Intel


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:45 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2M mobile freqs
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 20:30:48 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Well having just returned from the 1500 mile round trip to SC and back,
I can tell the interested parties that they have absolutely nothing
to worry about....the truth is, there have been more posts from different
persons on the newsgroups than I heard hams on 146.52 in nearly 28 hours
of driving time with the rig on 146.52 most of the time.

I won't bore everyone with a full blown description of what I did hear,
but it wasn't much.....and at the times I made some calls, I got no
responses......this was during daytime travel, too, not in the wee hours
of the night when you might expect things to be quiet.

Like many others, I just read the article in the most recent QST
on using 146.52, and all I can say is the author has said it all
alot better than I could!  We need to listen and call on 146.52 more
when we"re on the road over long distances.....I'm sure there were
hams out there, I gotta believe there just has to be some.

I also had a modest sized sign in the rear window with my call and
146.52 displayed on it, a dead give away to any fellow ham who passed
me.....and I gotta think that in the hundreds of cars that passed
me on I81 I77 I85 and I95 there had to be a ham or two......

Well, I'll try it again when I make the same trip in 3 weeks.  Maybe
it'll be a little better... I mean, I'd hate to think that the "11 meter
crowd" is really all that much more friendly and outgoing then us hams...

And I said I wouldn't bore ya!  :-)

PS to all the packet racket bunch.....144.9, 145.0 and 145.1 were
pretty quiet, too!  :-)  :-)


WX3Y, Kevin nr Williamsport PA, where a bunch of adults have made
kids playing baseball a real going business.....(please, that's not
flame bait) ???



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:46 1996
From: [e-mail] (Greg Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2M mobile freqs
Date: 21 Jun 1996 03:23:02 -0700
Message-ID: <4qdt66$[e-mail]>
References: <4qabl1$[e-mail]> <4qcef2$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Bill Northup) wrote:

>[e-mail] (Bill Sohl) writes:
>:
>: My July QST just arrived and there is a full page article on this
>: very subject which essentially suggests we make more frequent
>: and better use of 52 when we travel.  I agree.
>:
>:
>: Bill Sohl  K2UNK
>: ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ
>:

>I have my call sign on the back of my truck and often listen to .52 while
>I travel. I have received many calls there from other ham's on the road that
>saw my call. I also will call when I see a call sign on another vehicle.

>       72, Bill

I wish more people would do that too. I also have my call posted on
the rear of my vehicle and usually listen to 146.520 on the highway.
(unless I am using Zia connection) I have seen plenty of ham call
signs on vehicles but haven't gotten one to respond back yet.

73




From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:47 1996
From: steve <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 6 METER AM - where?
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 23:33:00 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
To: Joel Govostes <[e-mail]>

Joel Govostes wrote:
>
> Hi all.  Can anyone suggest where I should tune for 6m am activity when
> the band opens?  Is there a calling freq?  I once read it's 50.2 but not
> sure.  Thanks, 73    N1AEP

joel,50.400 but nobodys ever home.
73 steve cm88ll listening


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:48 1996
From: [e-mail] (Lu Hui-Hua)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: [Fwd: TCM3105 CHIP]
Date: 24 Jun 96 07:23:33 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:10:54 +0800
From: Lu Hui-Hua <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3Gold (Win95; I)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: [e-mail]
Subject: TCM3105 CHIP
References: <199606232216.PAA13412@ mail.ucsd.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi, here is bd7ix , name is Lu Hui-Hua.
Who can tell me where i can buy the chip(tcm3105)? i want to make a
baycom modem my self, but i can not buy it in P.R.CHINA. or where have
Baycom modem sell?

Lu Hui-Hua ([e-mail])



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:49 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dave Sparks)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: [Q] Need Morse Code Learning Tips
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 19:03:19 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I'm currently a "no-code tech" looking to upgrade, hopefully to
extra.  Since I've studied electronics in college for my BSEE,
learning Morse code will be my biggest obstacle.

I've got Morse Tutor on my PC and have started to learn CW today.
I'm a little confused about what's the best speed to start at.  I'm
told that, using the "Farnsworth method", the character rate should
be be set at 18 WPM for speeds below 20 WPM, and at 26 WPM for
speeds above 20 WPM.  Since my final goal is 20 WPM, should I just
set the character speed at 20 to begin with?  Or should I start out
with it at 18 and raise it later?  I just started today with the
character speed set to 20 and the send speed to 5, and I've been
copying my first group of characters just fine.  However, I'm not
sure how that will work out when I add more characters each day.

I haven't registered Morse Tutor yet, and I have Super Morse
available that I could use instead, if it has any advantages over
Morse Tutor.

I'd appreciate any comments or opinions on the subject.  Thanks. 73.

---
Dave Sparks -- [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:50 1996
From: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: A CB PROBLEM IN MY TOWN!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 20:12:00 -0400
Distribution: world
Reply-To: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)


To: [e-mail]
Subject: A CB Problem In My Town!

 >exemptions.  Also - the local council now monitors the CB channels,
 >especially the ones with the most activity.  If they hear anybody
 >causing trouble, etc.. they track the signal down.  My town does a
 >better job with handling CB problems than the FCC does!!  :-)

What does the town do when they track down an offending CBer?
---
   OLX 1.53   -------------->    73, de NK2U    <----------------

 * Origin: CyberNet BBS   Lyndhurst, NJ (1:2604/151)

             ......oooooOOOOOo         http://www.intac.com/~cono
     ___,-----.----+_________#_     The Roy Hobbs BBS [e-mail]
     |________| |__|___________}          Node 1: 201-641-7307
      ooooo oo ~ ooO-O-O-O == oo\         Node 2: 201-641-3126



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:51 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A CB PROBLEM IN MY TOWN!
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:09:45 GMT
Message-ID: <4qbig9$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4q13q6$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

steve <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Jim Kehler wrote:
>>
>> [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER) wrote:
>>
>> >What does the town do when they track down an offending CBer?
>>
>> Same thing extra class hams do when they track down a no-code
>> tech - get a rope, find a tree, and string 'em up.
>>
>> Roland, what in the *hell* is that picture in your signature file
>> supposed to be ???
>>
>> 73, Jim KH2D

>jim ,is this going to happen to one particular no-code or all of us?
>(48.92% and rising)
>73 steve cm88ll but thinking about heading west

I'd head east if I were you. Farther west you go, worse things get.
What's 48.92, the temperature in cm88ll or your bowling average ?

73, Jim KH2D QK23JK





From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:52 1996
From: Madjid VE2GMI <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A New License Class
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 18:10:03 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Dave Cook W0EYA wrote:
>
> Some people don't like a code portion of an examination for any current
> class of license so let's just dumb ourselves down to accomodate them
> and not have the code test any more.snip
> (I write this, tongue in cheek, holding a Technician [plus?] license
> since 1958.)

Sure, couldn't have been an extra class writing that.


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:53 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steve KA4IQD)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Address info on 6Y5CI
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 20:32:06 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

On Tue, 18 Jun 1996 02:14:50 GMT, [e-mail] (Steve KA4IQD) wrote:

>Anyone help me with current qsl info on 6Y5CI?  I've tried the web but
>coming up with different info.  He says he's ok in the current
>callbook but I don't have one.  Any help appreciated.

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who provided me with information
on this.

--
73,
Steve KA4IQD
[e-mail]
Greetings from the Bluegrass State.  Home of the
1996 NCAA champion University of Kentucky Wildcat
basketball team.


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:54 1996
From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Advantages of CW (was: Re: Assault on Ham Radio - 2m/70cm related to CW !!)
Date: 19 Jun 1996 22:50:05 -0700
Message-ID: <4qaoqd$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] wrote:
: (I already hear a number of SSBers operating on the CW realms)?

Hi Cris, I wonder if they could be foreign hams operating SSB
perfectly legally in the "CW realms"? I work them all the time.

73, Cecil, KG7BK (W6RCA soon), OOTC



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:55 1996
From: Thomas Foster <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Advantages of CW (was: Re: Assault on Ham Radio - 2m/70cm related to CW !!)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:51:42 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4puu61$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q1j05$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q549i$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q9ch2$[e-mail]> <4qam6i$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] wrote:
> ...

> A couple of people suggested that the proposed HF no-coders would learn Mors
e
> once they encountered the congestion.  Of this I am skeptical, for if they w
on't
> learn Morse in order to gain access in the first place, I cannot believe the
y'll
> learn it in order to reduce congestion.
> ...
>
> A rhetorical question to those who say they wouldn't use Morse, thus it's a
waste
> of time.  I suppose the same argument can be used for the technical componen
t of
> the Ham tests with most people these days.  They buy their equipment, so why
> should they have to learn Ohm's law and all that other "technical" stuff?  A
fter
> all, they aren't going to use it.  Heck, Radio Shack has radios and antennae
 off
> the shelf.   People are so busy, why should they have to study the tech stuf
f?
> Their free time is their most valuable time.  If they want to build a radio,

> they're not being stopped from studying it, any more than the Morse proponen
ts.
>
> I'm spending more time on these posts than I spend on a nightly Morse drill.
  Morse
> really is not hard.  It requires a little time, perseverence and the right
> attitude.
>
> Get a Morse code practicer (better yet, build one) or write a Morse code pro
gram.
> It'll broaden the mind.  It is quite fun.  The difficulty is not worth all t
his >
> fuss.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris

Chris,

I've read a lot of arguments for and against the CW requirement. You've articu
lated
my beliefs on the subject extremely well and with the utmost of civility!  Tha
nks.

73,
Lindsay


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:56 1996
From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Advantages of CW (was: Re: Assault on Ham Radio - 2m/70cm related to CW !!)
Date: 20 Jun 1996 09:12:01 -0700
Message-ID: <4qbt8h$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4puu61$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q1j05$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qbrue$[e-mail]>

Tom Randolph <[e-mail]> wrote:

: If we're supposed to be a
: technically competent service, promoting modes that simplify understanding o
f
: basic radio concepts can only help us.

Hey Tom, I'm having a hard time with your logic. You want to make the service
more technically competent by promoting outdated, simple-minded modes? IMO,
Morse code makes the ARS a lot less technically competent.

73, Cecil, KG7BK (W6RCA soon), OOTC



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:57 1996
From: [e-mail] (Frank Dinger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Advantages of CW (was: Re: Assault on Ham Radio - 2m/70cm related to CW !!)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:40:08 +0100
Message-ID: <4qc2p7$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4puu61$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q1j05$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

> I am currently learning CW in order to get onto the HF bands.  My major
> interest is in homebrew.  CW has three wonderful advantages:

> - It is much easier to design and build a CW transmitter (receiver
>  design is not eased as greatly).

> - If the bandpass is narrowed to 300Hz or so, the SN ratio is such
>  that low power can go a long way.

> - With sufficiently selective receivers (and suitably de-keyclicked
>  transmitters), quite a number of CW channels can be fit into one
>  voice channel.

> Now, if all you're interested in is buying your equipment, then CW must be
> nothing but a burden.  But if you're into designing and building stuff
> (which are the roots of Ham), CW is a great entry point.

> Besides, learning CW is very easy (I am doing it now).  It seems some people

> spend more time whining about having to do it than it takes to actually do
> it!

> How many people who complain about doing CW design and build their own
> equipment?  I can't imagine it'd be too many, given the demonstrated lack of

> patience wrt to learning CW.  Stop watching the idiot box (TV), that'll free

> up lots of time!!! :-)

> Does CW really discourage the technically interested/inclined?

> Cheers,

> Chris (looking forward to getting on the air).

===============comments GM0CSZ / KN6WH
Chris ,I agree that CW operation enables operators to use relatively
simple equipment which can be homebrewed. I don't think that CW
lovers are more or less technically inclined than others. As it comes
over to me ,the whole CW requirement dialogue centers around that ,
when the morse test requirement would be dropped :
1) CW operators fear that the HF bands will be overcrowded in general
and that this overcrowding  will result in the CW segments being squeezed.

2) Quite a number of HF operators resent that with a no code licence
for the HF bands ,the new generation of HF operators would get it 'for free'
I call this the 'jalousy factor'
However I  agree that with a little effort anybody can learn morse code.

Inspite of being very much pro CW incl. QRP operation , I feel that
with the abandonment of manual morse telegraphy by most if not all of
the non amateur users of the HF spectrum , morse code should no
longer be a requirement for hams to use the HF bands ......the world
is moving on .

Frank Dinger , Inver by Tain , Ross-shire IV20 1RX - Scotland UK
e-mail :  [e-mail]
Packet :  GM0CSZ @ GB7NOS.#76.GBR.EU




From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:58 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Advantages of CW (was: Re: Assault on Ham Radio - 2m/70cm related to CW !!)
Date: 21 Jun 1996 02:51:10 GMT
Message-ID: <4qd2mu$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4puu61$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q1j05$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q549i$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q9ch2$[e-mail]> <4qam6i$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Bill Newkirk)

In <4qam6i$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>Others have spoken of the spectral efficiency, data throughput, etc.  This al
l
>assumes that maximum throughput per channel is what is important.

it is, because that means you say what you are going to say and then you're do
ne.
this frees up the frequency for the next guy.

>I don't
>believe this is so.  It is (IMO) number of people per band that is more impor
tant.
>Besides, what is the spectral efficiency of a voice channel that consumes 3KH
z
>(ideally)?

if every one was able to communicate *effectively*, again you'd have more user
s
since the stations would be conducting their business "faster" and then you co
uld
have greater turnover let more people on the bands...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:30:59 1996
From: [e-mail] (cc wynn)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Advantages of CW (was: Re: Assault on Ham Radio - 2m/70cm related to CW !!)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 09:57:18 LOCAL
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4q549i$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q9ch2$[e-mail]> <4qam6i$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary
 Coffman) writes:

>Gary

Please notice you are cross-posting rather large files again.  As you know thi
s
discussion belongs exclusively to R. R. A. P.
Thanks,

--Clay
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:00 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ADVISE
Date: 23 Jun 1996 12:27:03 GMT
Message-ID: <4qjd6n$[e-mail]>

PLEASE ADVISE IF THERE IS A CANADIAN SITE FOR TRADING EQUIPMENT



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:01 1996
From: [e-mail](Barbara Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Alico HT Problem
Date: 20 Jun 1996 06:26:37 GMT
Message-ID: <4qaqut$[e-mail]>
References: <4qa0ag$[e-mail]>

I have an Alinco DJ160T that has a problem I hope someone can help me
with.
Whenever I program  something into memory(frequency,etc.) and shut the
unit off for about 5 mins. then turn the unit on APO is displayed on
the LCD and I've lost the memory contents. The only way to get the APO
off is to reset the radio back to it's defaults.
By the way the, APO function is the auto power off function if you
forget to turn the unit off after 30 mins.
The radio seems to work otherwise fine as long as you keep it on.
Is there an internal battery that retains the memory?

Any ideas out there?

73 KB7NBG [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:02 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARLP025 Propagation de KT7H
Date: 21 Jun 1996 19:27:41 -0400
Message-ID: <$[e-mail]>


SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP025
ARLP025 Propagation de KT7H

ZCZC AP46
QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 25  ARLP025
From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA June 21, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB PROP ARL ARLP025
ARLP025 Propagation de KT7H

Last week's bulletin gave the dates for solar data at the end of the
report as June 6 through 13.   The data was only through June 12.

We just had 5 days of zero sunspots.  Look for more periods of no
visible sunspots as we move through the solar cycle minimum.  The
most disturbed period was around 0300z on June 19 when the K index
was five.  The Boulder A index for that day was 15.

Solar flux is expected to stay below 70 until the end of June, then
peak just above 70 around July 2 and 3, moving again below 70 after
July 5.

For Field Day weekend look for more quiet conditions, with solar
flux just below 70 and quiet geomagnetic conditions.

Sunspot Numbers for June 13 through 19 were 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 12 and
24, with a mean of 5.1.  10.7 cm flux was 68.1, 67.7, 67.3, 66.9,
67.4, 67.7, and 68.5, with a mean of 67.7.

Here are some path projections for Field Day weekend:

From the Eastern USA to mid-USA, 80 meters should be open from 2230
to 1300z, with strongest signals at 0200 to 0300z and around 0930z.
40 meters should be open around the clock, with strongest signals
from 0200 to 0900z.  The best bet for 20 meters is around 1400 to
1500z and 2100 to 2200z.

The path between Eastern USA and the West Coast should be open on 80
meters from 0230 to 1030z, and 40 meters from 0100 to 1230z, with
best signals from 0400 to 0930z.  There is a good chance for a 20
meter opening from 1700 to 0430z.  15 meters could also open around
0230z.

From the West Coast to mid-USA check 80 meters from 0215 to 1230z,
with best propagation from 0500 to 1030z.  40 meters may be open
continuously, with the weak period from 1700 to 2200z and the best
period around 0300 to 1100z.  20 meters should be best from 1200 to
1630z and 2200 to 0800z.  There is a small chance of a 15 meter
opening from 1900 to 0500z, but starting much later for more
northern paths.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:03 1996
From: [e-mail] (Joe Landis - Systems & Network Mgr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Assault on Ham Radio - 2m/70cm related to CW !!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 18 Jun 96 16:43:22 EST
References: <4pv9gd$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q6m3n$[e-mail]>
Distribution: world

In article <4q6m3n$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
u (Kirk James Smith) writes:
[snip]
> Do I think CW keeps the rif-raff off the bands?  No...most convicted
> jammers and problem users are general class or higher.  So much for that
> theory.

I'm not sure that there has been a causal relationship established here. I
think most jammers, etc... hold higher class licenses because they would be
less likely to OWN the HF equipment to jam with if they held a code-free
license. The unfortunate fact that they do, just goes to show that even some
mental midgets like jammers can learn cw if they want access to HF. Just
consider what it could be like without it.

[snip]
Joe - AA3GN
--
[e-mail] - speaking only for myself, of course
No, this is not a sig.


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:05 1996
From: [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Assault on Ham Radio - 2m/70cm related to CW !!
Date: 18 Jun 1996 22:39:07 -0400
Message-ID: <4q7p8b$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4puu61$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q6mqk$[e-mail]>

In article <4q6mqk$[e-mail]>,
>We're not talking crooks here - we're talking *ENTRANCE* requirements for ten

>year olds. An *ENTRY* level ham doesn't need to know anything except rules,
>regulations, and procedures. He/she can acquire knowledge and skills after
>he/she becomes a ham. This "King of the Mountain" game that you and others
>are playing is destroying my favorite hobby and I don't appreciate it.

Ok - perhaps not increase the difficulty of the tests but find some other
way to encourage people to upgrade and maybe learn something in the
process. I know that it took me one year to go all the way up to Extra
but here I am four years later and still learning stuff. Of course I
suppose it helps that I belong to a club that has alot of folks with a
formidable technical knowledge base.

Tony



--
== Tony Pelliccio, KD1NR
== As offensive as I wanna be.
== [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:06 1996
From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Assault on Ham Radio - 2m/70cm related to CW !!
Date: 19 Jun 1996 22:38:06 -0700
Message-ID: <4qao3u$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

cadams5 <[e-mail]> wrote:
: Phil Sussman wrote:
: If I did have a code license I would just let my tnc send it and recv it
: anyhow, and it would run circles around any code operator.

Hi Phil, I think this was a careless statement. I don't know of any
tnc that will equal a good human code operator. I'm working on one,
but, so far, it's only better than me. :-) It appears to me that DSP
techniques are the only way for CW machines to get the best of most
humans. It's something like chess. Machines can beat most people all
the time and all the people some of the time but not all the people
all the time. But make it Coherent CW, and there is no contest -
machines win by a landslide.

73, Cecil, KG7BK (W6RCA soon), OOTC



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:08 1996
From: steve <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Assault on Ham Radio - 2m/70cm related to CW !!
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 23:29:36 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4pv9gd$[e-mail]> <4q6m3n$[e-mail]> <4q76dl$[e-mail]> <4q7c84$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Jeffrey Herman wrote:
>
> Jim Fellows <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >|MD correctly wrote:
>
> >|> So is SSB (you were aware that SSB is only a few years younger than
> >|> CW, right?) Seems to me all these complaints just to get access to an
> >|> archiac mode is energy best spent on other, more productive, activities.
>
> >Well gee, one person's few years is a lifetime or more to another.  Just go
ing
> >from recollection, Morse Code was invented by S.F.B. Morse sometime in the
mid
> >to late 1800s.  SSB transmission was invented, when, in the 1950s.  Seems l
ike
> >that is more than just a few years to me.  So the answer is WRONG!  And of
> >course MD must get in another one of his slanted cheap shots with the next
> >sentence.  It is unfounded and has no value since the assuption it hinges o
ne i>s
> >not substantiated.
>
> The telephone companies were using SSB by 1926. The first SSB radio
> was on the air by 1933. Thus, you've lost all credibility, Jimmy.
> MD was right on they money - SSB on landline, and CW on radio -
> both came into use at almost exactly the same time.
>
> Thanks for playing Jimbo, and 73 from lovely Hawaii,
> Jeff KH2PZ / KH6

voice ? invented when ?
what is on hf that makes some people think some hams want those bands?
73 steve still in cm88ll  50.125 etc. blah-blah


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:09 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Assault on Ham Radio - 2m/70cm related to CW !!
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:11:13 GMT
Message-ID: <4qbij2$[e-mail]>
References: <4pv9gd$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q6m3n$[e-mail]> <4q76dl$[e-mail]> <4q7c84$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Jim Fellows) wrote:

< lots of previous stuff here SNIPPED not because it's internet
standard operating procedure as some people would have you
believe, and not because I don't want anyone to read it as some
people would have you believe, but because it's one message
back in your newsreader and you can go see it there, so why
repeat it here >

>|>
>|> MD
>|> --
>|> --
>|> --  Who needs looks when you've got taste?
>|> --
>|> --  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


>Such pomposity!

>Jim

Jim, calm down. Look at the subject of this message. It's not 'KICK
MD's BUTT'.  Mike is a really nice guy. It's just the fumes from all
that Tomato Sauce make him do some really wierd stuff.  And if
you think about it, both of the above statements are 100% true.
Mike's very honest:

"Who needs looks when you've got taste ?"

He admits, right here in front of God and the internet how ugly he
is.  But that's not his fault, he was born that way. He's just honest.

"If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad."

You mentioned internet standards. If that isn't *THE* internet
standard, I don't know what is.  So give Mike a break. He had
a hard day at the factory, jumping up and down in that big
barrel smashing all those tomatoes with his bare feet.  Let's
get back to the original subject of this thread, I'm just *dying* to
read some more good 2m/70cm related to CW stuff. I just
can't get enuff of this  kinda stuff.

73, Jim KH2D






From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:10 1996
From: [e-mail] (Kirk James Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Assault on Ham Radio - 2m/70cm related to CW !!
Date: 18 Jun 1996 09:39:19 -0700
Message-ID: <4q6m3n$[e-mail]>
References: <4pv9gd$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

The "why don't you just buckle down and learn CW" thread is alive and well...

As one of those no-code tech's that has put up repeaters, repaired ham
gear, converted commercial gear to ham, etc, here's why I haven't
bothered to learn CW:

1)  I'm a full-time student, and spend enough time studying science, and
don't have the energy at this point to learn CW>

2)  I'm not interested in CW.  This doesn't mean that it isn't a good mode,
    isn't fun for others, etc.  It just doesn't interest ME.  That's what
    I've always liked about ham radio...there's enough different stuff to
    interest EVERYONE.

3)  I work...a LOT.  Currently ~70 hours per week.

4)  I don't plan to operate HF any time soon.  I don't have the cash for HF
    gear, and even if I did, I live in an area where antennas are a problem.

So do I ever plan to learn CW?  Probably.  Will I use it?  Probably only
to figure out CW IDers on repeaters.  I'd like to have an advanced class
ticket someday, so I can operate HF when at our club station, and
eventually want to purchase a sailboat, which would have HF
capabilities.  But this is in the very distant future.

Do I think CW keeps the rif-raff off the bands?  No...most convicted
jammers and problem users are general class or higher.  So much for that
theory.

Do I like the "I learned it, so you should too" attitude?  No, it's
archaic.  I'm sure many of the older hams know how to use a slide rule as
well, but I'm happy with my HP calculator.  But if you enjoy your slide
rule, then by all means, use it.

Do I favor a reduction in the CW requirement for HF?  Yes.  If CW must
remain, make it a portion of the test just like any other...  I can fail
everything relating to packet and still pass the exam.  Fail the CW mode
portion, and I get no upgrade.  This doesn't seem fair.

Just my thoughts...

--
 Kirk J. Smith, KD6RCT, EMT-P    |  Biological Sciences Dept, Microbiology
 [e-mail]    |  California Polytechnic State University
 http://www.calpoly.edu/~kjsmith |  San Luis Obispo, California, USA


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:11 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Assault on Ham Radio - 2m/70cm related to CW !!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 13:48:25 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> Bruce Burke <[e-mail]> wri
tes:
>Roger Barker wrote:
>
>> You could argue exactly the opposite - that by keeping CW as a
>> requirement for certain licence classes, we make ham radio appear to be
>> an anachronism, with no relevance in modern communications!
>
>CW by itself does not make the hobby seem like, or not seem like, an anachron
ism.
>It is our attitude toward it and what we project.

True. A stone axe still works in a world of chain saws. It just doesn't
work as well. It is only our insistence on demanding the universal mastery
of the knapping of a stone axe before allowing use of the chain saw which
makes us seem anachronistic.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:12 1996
From: [e-mail](Dr. Richard W. Musicer )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ATLANTA Ham Station/Home For Rent During Olympics
Date: 24 Jun 1996 14:57:03 GMT
Message-ID: <4qmabv$[e-mail]>

Rent my attractive 3 Bedroom private home complete with 90 foot tower
and 5 element 20, 15, and 10 meter monobanders during the Olympic Games
in Atlanta this summer.

DX PacketCluster connection and radios are also available.

Single level, no stairs, 6 person hot tub in separate Florida-room.
Located in quiet Northeast suburb of Tucker 1 mile from Perimeter
Highway and minutes from all Atlanta venues.  Price negotiable
depending on your needs.

E-mail to [e-mail] or call Rick, N6CR during the day at
[phone] and evenings at [phone].

TNX/73


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:13 1996
From: "Robert J. Grochowski" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.shortwave,alt.online-service,alt.irc,alt.bbs.lists,rec.audio,rec.video,
Subject: Re: BABY BOY'S SPECIAL REQUEST...
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:49:12 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

I was buyin' this until I got to;

T. Hanson wrote:
>                  [snip]
>
> Be sure to sign it with your NAME, CITY & STATE AND COUNTRY.
>
>                  [snip]

I don't see any *valid* reason for me (or you), to provide any
personal information.  If I want to do an anonymous good deed,
then fine, but I'm beginning to think someone is building a
database and it ain't a newborn who's doing the building.

I'll keep watching for those who get "hooked" by this ...

RG


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:14 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Beacon on 28.253
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:27:17 GMT
Message-ID: <4q92o1$[e-mail]>
References: <4q6qno$[e-mail]> <6127cc$15d37.6d@NEWS>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Russ) wrote:

>Hello Jim, here is what I have on it:

>*28.254   WA4SLT            HASTINGS, FL               20W, VERT

>It does have a kind of a "swing to it" Wonder if this is similar to
>the old Banana Boat Swing done with left toe?

Hehehe....Thanks Russ :)   that's it.



===========================================
cheers! jim martin, wk1v
lowell, mass
http://www.shore.net/~jjmartin/jjm.htm



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:15 1996
From: Mike Valentine <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Subject: Re: Belden 9913 Connector Source??
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:47:54 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4q12ko$[e-mail]> <4q52gk$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Dean Heinen wrote:
>
> In article <4q52gk$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
> >From: [e-mail]
> >Subject: Re: Belden 9913 Connector Source??
> >Date: 18 Jun 1996 01:58:44 GMT
>
> >Terry... take a look at 9914, I've not had good luck with 9913 here on
> >the Cape. The spiral wound center conductor tends to "suck up" moisture
> >then it gets cold and the water condenses in the cable. I've had water
> >run out of the coax connectors. 9914 uses a foam core, it's a little more
> >lossey than the 9913 but it stays dry!!!
> >Jim
>
> Then you are most certainly installing it incorrectly.
>
> Dean
> N7ZRS


Hello, Dean.  You'll need to go into a lot of detail to explain
how to install connectors on 9913 "correctly".

Jim is only one among a large number of hams that have seen problems
weather-proofing 9913.  In long runs, it may well be impossible.  It
seems that the connector has to have nearly hermetic qualities to
prevent water ingestion due to osmotic pumping of humidity into
the central air-cavity of the cable.

The major problem seems to be around the jacket-to-shell mating
surfaces.  I have had some success using flooded-joint heat-shrink
(underground cable TV style) around the entire connector, cable shank,
and whatever it connects to (other cable, antenna connection, etc).

My opinion (and I can put on K-connectors @ 40 GHz that sweep well), is
that only foam-core low-loss coax should be used out-of-doors.  Belden
9914 is a good idea as well as Times LMR-400, LMR-600, etc.. I use
Andrews 1/2" Superflex for jumpers on my VHF/UHF SSB/CW system.

Belden 9913 is really an RG-8 sized version of air dielectric Heliax.
Air (with spiral centering insulator)dielectric Heliax is ALWAYS used
with a refrigerating dryer or low-pressure dry-gas purging on any
out-of-doors run, otherwise it fills up with condesation.  I have not
seen refrigerated dryers for 9913 on the market.

There are many, many stories about how somebody's 9913 run had all of
a sudden developed a high SWR.  One such person took the cable into
work and put it on a time-domain reflectometer to look for a fault.
When he located the point a the bottom of a loop, he drilled a small
hole into the cable to see what it was.  The high-SWR then "ran out
onto the floor".  The cable then tested OK. It happens all the time.

Cordially,

Mike Valentine - WA8MSF


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:16 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dean Heinen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Subject: Re: Belden 9913 Connector Source??
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:16:49 LOCAL
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4q12ko$[e-mail]> <4q52gk$[e-mail]>

In article <4q52gk$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: Belden 9913 Connector Source??
>Date: 18 Jun 1996 01:58:44 GMT

>Terry... take a look at 9914, I've not had good luck with 9913 here on
>the Cape. The spiral wound center conductor tends to "suck up" moisture
>then it gets cold and the water condenses in the cable. I've had water
>run out of the coax connectors. 9914 uses a foam core, it's a little more
>lossey than the 9913 but it stays dry!!!
>Jim

Then you are most certainly installing it incorrectly.

Dean
N7ZRS





From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:17 1996
From: Peter Lemken <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Calgary Hams use Special Prefix
Date: 18 Jun 1996 10:49:39 GMT
Message-ID: <4q61k3$[e-mail]>
References: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960613122743.10899A-100000@dec>

"Stuart R. Crawford VE6SRC" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Attn all Calgary Hams
>
>The use of Special Prefix VF6 has been approved for use


Yawn. Another one.....



Peter Lemken
DF5JT/KE4UNQ

(And that first prefix has been good enough for 17 years)



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:19 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CB bootleggers on 10 meters
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 05:37:08 GMT
Message-ID: <4q7p4l$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4pnvko$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pu8gv$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q6joe$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Ted F <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I think your beating a dead horse.  What it comes down to is, even if it =
           <you're>
>is illegal to transmit over a bootlegger, the FCC will certainly NOT =

>side with the bootlegger on interferance complaints.  Furthermore, I'm =
                                             <interference>
>sure that the FCC would not even bother to give a warning to any ham =

>found do be causing interferance to a bootlegger.  Call the FCC all you =
                                 <interference>
>want, we might as well get our moneys worth out of them.  The bottom =
                                                  <money's>
>line is, the FCC doesn't care if it is illegal or not, why should you?  =

>Have you been bothered by a ham while you were bootlegging?

Never been bootlegging.  You seem to speak with authority on that
matter, how about you Ted?

Oh, I have been bothered by bootleggers while hamming though.

Your type of attitude is exactly why amateur radio appears to be going
downhill.  Then of course having only been a ham since 1994, when you
were only 24, you wouldn't know the difference.

===========================================
cheers! jim martin, wk1v
lowell, mass
http://www.shore.net/~jjmartin/jjm.htm



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:20 1996
From: Tfalkow <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CB bootleggers on 10 meters
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:18:31 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4pnvko$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4ptk0h$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Clyde Coffey wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:
>
> >Me: If an amateur attempts to start, or maintain, a conversation with
> >another amateur on the same frequency over the top of a couple out-of-
> >band operators, could that be construed as malicious interference?
> >
> >FCC: I'd say no.
>
> I think you're asking a loaded question. Was your buddy attempting to
> start or maintain a conversation? From your previous post it didn't
> sound like it. Did anyone answer the CQ? What did he do then?What the differ
ance?  There would be no way to show if he was making a contact or not.
Besides, the FCC really won't care if you interfere with illigal transmitions.
  I'm not
saying it is right or wrong, it is the facts!
Ted F.
N3SQY


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:21 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: CB bootleggers on 10 meters
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 21:03:11 GMT

Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>So, if every time I hear you on the air I fire up my RTTY station
>and call CQ on top of you, and when you move to get away from the
>interference I follow you and continue to call CQ on top of your
>signals, that's not jamming, right?  I don't think so. By following
>the other stations, the intent to jam is clear.

Have you been living in a hole that last couple of weeks? This isn't
about ham-to-ham interference; rather, it concerns unathorized trans-
missions within 10m, and as such, interference (malicious or otherwise)
to these folks is not taking place (according to the FCC).

What did you do a couple decades ago when the "Russian Woodpecker"
invaded HF? Cease all transmission so as to not interfere with it?

>If someone walks across your yard without permission and you shoot
>them, then shoot them *again* when they run, you can't claim you
>were just target practicing and they happened to get between you
>and the target. The second shot shows *intent*.

As usual, a ridiculous non-analogy.

Jeff KH2PZ / KH6


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:22 1996
From: steve <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CB bootleggers on 10 meters
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 09:35:07 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Gary Coffman wrote:
>
> In article  [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:
> >Clyde Coffey <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:
> >
> >>>Me: If an amateur attempts to start, or maintain, a conversation with
> >>>another amateur on the same frequency over the top of a couple out-of-
> >>>band operators, could that be construed as malicious interference?
> >>>FCC: I'd say no.
> >
> >>I think you're asking a loaded question. Was your buddy attempting to
> >>start or maintain a conversation? From your previous post it didn't
> >>sound like it. Did anyone answer the CQ? What did he do then?
> >
> >Hi Clyde,
> >CQ CQ CQ DE KH6xxx KH6xxx KH6xxx K  tells me he was attempting to
> >start a QSO. If no one answered he'd send the 3x3 again. And again.
> >As I said initially, he was sending CQs with his call.
> >
> >Jeff KH2PZ/KH6
>
> So, if every time I hear you on the air I fire up my RTTY station
> and call CQ on top of you, and when you move to get away from the
> interference I follow you and continue to call CQ on top of your
> signals, that's not jamming, right?  I don't think so. By following
> the other stations, the intent to jam is clear.
>
> The FCC may not care anymore, in fact they don't seem to care much
> about anything we do *inside* our bands anymore, but what you
> describe is intentional jamming. That the other stations were
> *assumed* to be "freebanders" might make such jamming vigilante
> action, and the FCC doesn't seem to care about that either, but
> that makes it no less illegal.
>
> If someone walks across your yard without permission and you shoot
> them, then shoot them *again* when they run, you can't claim you
> were just target practicing and they happened to get between you
> and the target. The second shot shows *intent*.
>
> Gary
> --
> Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
> Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp addre
sses
> 534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
> Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |

one can't jam a bootlegger as they are illegal and we are not!
steve


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:23 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: CB bootleggers on 10 meters
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 15:36:09 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> steve <[e-mail]> writes:
>Gary Coffman wrote:
>> If someone walks across your yard without permission and you shoot
>> them, then shoot them *again* when they run, you can't claim you
>> were just target practicing and they happened to get between you
>> and the target. The second shot shows *intent*.
>
>one can't jam a bootlegger as they are illegal and we are not!
>steve

When you generate malicious interference, for whatever reason or
aimed at whatever target, you are no longer legal. It is a matter
of intent. If you try to communicate with another legitimate station
through noise (and you can treat a bootlegger as noise for this
purpose since he is not an authorized signal and thus not engaged
in legitimate communications), you aren't jamming. But when you
*chase* the bootlegger across the band, you've demonstrated that
your intent is no longer that of legitimately trying to communicate
with an authorized station. You've demonstrated an intent to jam.
It is the intent which makes it malicious, and thus illegal, whatever
its target.

That's why you can continue a QSO by transmiting over a bootlegger
on a repeater and not be jamming. Your *intent* is to communicate
with another authorized station. But if you chased the bootlegger
from repeater to repeater and just keyed over him *because he was
there*, your intent would then be demonstrated to be that of malicious
interference and it no longer matters that your quarry is himself
illegitimate. Violations by others don't excuse your own violations.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:25 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: CB bootleggers on 10 meters
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:45:23 GMT

Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>When you generate malicious interference, for whatever reason or
>aimed at whatever target, you are no longer legal. It is a matter
>of intent. If you try to communicate with another legitimate station
>through noise (and you can treat a bootlegger as noise for this
>purpose since he is not an authorized signal and thus not engaged
>in legitimate communications), you aren't jamming. But when you
>*chase* the bootlegger across the band, you've demonstrated that
>your intent is no longer that of legitimately trying to communicate
>with an authorized station. You've demonstrated an intent to jam.
>It is the intent which makes it malicious, and thus illegal, whatever
>its target.

This comes from the same person who advocates speeding because the
highway speed limits are set far lower than their designed speed.
It's easy to understand your position now with regard to the bootleggers.
You side with them because you see a bit of yourself in them.

Here's a little item to chew on:

97.101d:

  (d) No amateur operator shall willfully or maliciously interfere with
      or cause interference to any radio communication or signal.

Okay, let's take this a piece at a time.  Are bootleggers transmitting
"any radio communication or signal?"  Yes.  So is overrunning their
transmissions causing interference?  See 97.3a(22) definitions:

  (22) Harmful interference. Interference which endangers the
       functioning of a radionavigation service or of other safety
       services or seriously degrades, obstructs or repeatedly
       interrupts a radiocommunication service operating in
       accordance with the Radio Regulations.

Are bootleggers operating "in accordance with the Radio Regulations?"
No.  So is it actually possible to cause "harmful interference" to
their transmission?  I think the answer is obvious. And I believe
this was what the FCC official was thinking when he retorted with
"Interfering with whom? They're not making an authorized transmission
so you're not causing interference."

Here's the scenario one more time, then I will not reply to any more
of Gary's whining for criminals' rights: Bootleggers pop up on 10M.
The ham sends a 3x3 CQ and listens for another ham. If no answer
he continues to send a 3x3. If the bootleggers move up 20 kc, he
moves too, and sends another 3x3. He's making it sound as if the
band it active. It's a very docile method of gently letting the
bootleggers think that no matter what freq they choose there will
be someone on it. They eventually go back down to the "lower 40".
He's not "throwing a brick on the key" and walking away.

The FCC has no problem with this. Accept it Coffman.

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:26 1996
From: [e-mail] (FRED MCKENZIE)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Cell Phone Number Reprograming
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 96 13:55:00 -0500
Distribution: world
Reply-To: [e-mail] (FRED MCKENZIE)
References: <[e-mail]>

Jeff-
     Perhaps you talked to the wrong person, or maybe to the wrong
service provider.  If what I've heard is true, then it may be possible
to have two phones with the same number.  The fact that they have the
same serial number seems irrelevant.  In fact, it would allow the
provider to know which phone made or received a call.
     In my ignorance, I have a feeling that you are not likely to
succeed in programming your own phone.  Whatever you want to accomplish,
it must be with the "blessing" of the provider.  When they detect
anything irregular, they may assume it is the result of fraud, and
disable the phone's account.
     No, this isn't the right news group, but it is an interesting
subject!
     73, Fred, K4DII


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:27 1996
From: Drew Maddison <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Chatham-Kent ARC Field Day
Date: 22 Jun 1996 03:26:08 GMT
Message-ID: <4qfp4g$[e-mail]>

The Chatham Kent ARC will be running its annual field day on 22 June - 23
June starting at 2 pm eastern daylight savings time. The field site is
located at (911 address - 5101 Techumse Line) about 25 min west of Chatham
ON. Operation will be in all bands all modes. If you are in the area stop
by and say hi or try out the guest chair!!!



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:28 1996
From: Norm <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CW
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 05:59:31 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Just a question regarding CW...
Has anybody listened to CB Channels?   Is that what we want Amateur Radio
to become.
I use both CW & SSB.  But admit I use mostly SSB.
Norm, WA3RTY
USA-CA Custodian


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:29 1996
From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: CW can not die...
Date: 25 Jun 1996 14:51:01 -0700
Message-ID: <4qpn05$[e-mail]>
References: <4qmdbp$[e-mail]> <4qmtsa$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:

: That OOK Morse can get through where SSB can't isn't exactly hot news.
: We've known that for decades. Of course when SSB can get through,
: it has higher throughput than OOK Morse. But both are bottom of
: the barrel methods compared to Clover, PACTOR, etc.

Hi Gary, when anybody says, "CW gets through when nothing else does",
they obviously mean, "Of the modes I have chosen to equip myself with,
CW gets through when nothing else does." Course, someone else might
truthfully say "Of the modes I have chosen to equip myself with, smoke
signals get through when nothing else does." :-)

73, Cecil, W6RCA, OOTC



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:30 1996
From: [e-mail] (CBreaux367)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW is radio
Date: 17 Jun 1996 18:58:26 -0400
Message-ID: <4q4nui$[e-mail]>
References: <4pn21s$[e-mail]>

the problem is in the wording of the rules and regs 97 and the logistics
behind it.  eg, if cw goes farther in noise and bad situations then why is
it outlawed in "emergency" situations?

HamRadio


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:31 1996
From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW over the internet
Date: 19 Jun 1996 14:24:09 GMT
Message-ID: <4q92i9$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)


Marc Davis ([e-mail]) writes:
> Does anyone know of a program to send CW over the internet?  This could
> be realtime or over mail or news.  I'm currently a nocode and would like
> to use a progran like this to practice with others trying to learn code.
>
> Marc Davis (N7SNO)
> Please E-Mail me as I don't follow this group.
> [e-mail]


Get ready to be FLAMMED Marc......
--
    Talk with you soon ...
                --------------   FRANK SVED ---------------
                             Amateur: VE3GID
                               Email: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:33 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Dealing with Threats to Ham Radio
Date: 21 Jun 1996 02:25:08 GMT
Message-ID: <4qd164$[e-mail]>
References: <4ptv9s$[e-mail]>

In article <4ptv9s$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>
>   I just got a Complementary Copy of WorldRadio Magazine in the mail. I
turned
>
>   to the FCC section, and lookee what I read:
>
>   "...According to reports in several communications industry publications,
the
>   Secretary of Commerce identified 235 MHz of Federal Government spectrum
>   for private-sector use. Hams will have to fight to protect 2300-2310 MHz
from
>   being reallocated and auctioned off..."
>
>   First thought that struck me: we're like a man standing with a shotgun
>   on his porch to protect his wife from the bear, while the wolf is sneaking

in
>
>   the back door and grabbing the baby...
>
>   Lisa  KC7PSZ
>   (Wondering why more hasn't been said about these other band threats)
>

There are serious threats to a variety of UHF Amateur Radio allocations. They
do need to be taken seriously by all Amateurs. I've written an editorial for
Ham Radio Online addressing these issues - inspired by the number of Amateurs
who don't seem to understand that these threats are very real - and started to

suggest ideas for dealing with them. I've got more ideas too and when I have a

chance, I'll write them down.

Visit Ham Radio Online, probably the #1 web site for Ham Radio in the world,
at http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm


------------------------
Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
personal email to [e-mail]
Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:34 1996
From: Louis Drzewiecki <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: DENTRON CLIPPERTON
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:39:51 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

LOOKING FOR ANYONE WHO KNOWS WHERE
I CAN FIND OUT INFORMATION OR LOCATION OF
DENTRON CLIPPERTON AMPLIFIER'
HOPE TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE SOON
THANK YOU LOU
SEBRING FL.


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:35 1996
From: Thomas Foster <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drawing diagrams on FCC tests
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 01:41:25 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4qfuho$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Several months ago I asked on the net when the FCC stopped requiring
> drawing of schematic diagrams on the written exams. Everyone who
> responded who took his test in the 1950s and before said he drew
> diagrams and only 1 or 2 people claimed to draw them in the 1960s and
> later, while many, who took their exams in the 1960s, including me,
> remembered not drawing diagrams.
>
> I was looking through some older QSTs, and I came across an article in
> the July 1960 QST pages 54 and 55, "FCC written Exam Procedure
> Changing" which answers the question.
>...
> So it is clear that diagram drawing was phased out at the end of 1960,
> and the result of my little survey was correct.
>
> 73 Kevin [e-mail]

Kevin,

That sounds about right. When I took my Extra class test back in 1967
there were 12 diagrams to draw out of 100 questions. The other 88
questions were multiple-choice.

Also, the code test consisted of 5 minutes of code of which 1 minute had
to be copied without mistake. Once that segment was completed
successfully, the Ham then had to send some code with a code oscillator
until the FCC examiner was satisfied.

73,
Lindsay
WA4ISZ


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:36 1996
From: Geoff Brown <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: DX Challenge
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 23:45:45 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

The 50MHz ES DX Challenge so far.

RESULTS.
The Winners so far!!! DL7AV-N4HSM/VP5 JN58TD-FL31MM 7846km


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:37 1996
From: Claude PIOT <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Extract *.zip pprograms.
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 18:32:00 +0200
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I charged a compressed ZIP file.
I have PKUNZIP.
How can ido to extract my file from *.ZIP ???
Many thanks for help.
F 3 PZ.


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:37 1996
From: [e-mail] (Michael White)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Extract *.zip pprograms.
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:12:28 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Claude PIOT wrote:

> I charged a compressed ZIP file.

I don't know what this means. How do you "charge" a ZIP file?

> I have PKUNZIP.
> How can ido to extract my file from *.ZIP ???

This I can help you with:

Put the .ZIP file in a new subdirectory.  Make sure there's a path to
PKUNZIP.EXE, or put it in the same subdirectory as the .ZIP file.  Then,
enter the following command:

PKUNZIP *.ZIP

The upzip utility will uncompress all files in the zipped archive.

Mike, N4PDY

--
[e-mail]

My opinions are my own, not my employer's.


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:39 1996
From: [e-mail] (Fuat C. Baran)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC VANITY CALLS
Date: 21 Jun 1996 22:18:32 GMT
Message-ID: <4qf73o$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
Siegfried Rambaum  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>They only list NEW calls, not recycled ones...

At the risk of confusing things with facts, the UALR server does
list "recycled" ones:

LOOKUP> k1jnn

K1JNN              PETERS, ROBERT W                         LIC ISU 18-JUN-199
6
EXTRA              833 DENMARK DR                           LIC EXP 18-JUN-200
6
DOB 11-FEB-1943    MESQUITE             TX  75149           LST UPD 18-JUN-199
6
                   (PREVIOUSLY KK5FJ, ADVANCED)

Can't check QRZ, since their server is down at the moment while they
reload the master database.  It certainly is in the FCC's daily dump,
so I suspect any of the servers that get the daily files will have it.

                                        --Fuat

Columbia University                             [e-mail]
703 Watson Labs                                 212-854-4804
612 W115th Street                               212-662-6442 (Fax)
New York, NY 10025      Amateur Radio: N2YGN    http://www.columbia.edu/~fuat/


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:39 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jonathan Helis)
Subject: Re: FCC VANITY CALLS
Message-ID: <6157cc$17222.233@NEWS>
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 06:00:32 GMT
References: <[e-mail]>

sound impressions <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I just received my old call back from the FCC and guess what it does not
>appear on the Data Base!!! I have checked out QRZ...and U of A  anyone
>know the reason????What happens to these!!!  Bob K1JNN

Last night on a local 2 meter net, there was a ham who got his hold
call back, it was a KL7 call, and he's in Gonzales, Louisiana.  Nice
to see the FCC finally got this off the ground I guess.


73,

Jon Helis, KB5IAV
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA




From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:40 1996
From: [e-mail] (Sandra Pardue)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC VANITY CALLS
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 16:00:52 GMT
Message-ID: <4qegvk$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4qebfm$[e-mail]>

In article <4qebfm$[e-mail]>,
   Cecil Moore <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>What's the address of the U of A site?
>
>73, Cecil, KG7BK (W6RCA soon), OOTC
>

Cecil, it is:

http://www.ualr.edu/doc/hamualr/callsign.html/

73, JoeP, K5HLR

[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:41 1996
From: [e-mail] (David Averill - Pence)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FOR SALE: Icom IC-T22A & Astron RS-4A
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 03:57:33 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

For Sale

1:      An Icom IC-T22A FM Transceiver in mint shape. It should be in
mint shape because I bought it about 3 weeks ago for a purpose that is
no longer needed. Still has it's box and manual and Icom's warranty.

2:      An Astron RS4A Power Supply also 3 weeks old and in just as
great shape.

Both for $250.00

If interested please e-mail [e-mail]

Thanks


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:42 1996
From: Alexis Trannoy <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Give me names of US / UK Ham Radio magazines
Date: 18 Jun 1996 00:34:00 GMT
Message-ID: <4q4tho$[e-mail]>



I am considering applying for the French Ham Radio Class E Licence, and
I am currently searching for documentation on HF Transceivers.

Could anyone give me some names of US, UK magazines specialized in Ham
Radio ?
Thank you for your cooperation

;+))

Alex




From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:43 1996
From: [e-mail] (Terry Simonds)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: GROUNDING AND LIGHTNING PROTECTION
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 96 14:10:51 GMT
Message-ID: <4q92l4$[e-mail]>

Here are two sites that contain quite a lot of good information on grounding
and lightning protection.

    http://www.powerclinic.com/examlist.htm     (mostly grounding)

    http://www.polyphaser.com   (grounding and protection. Read the
                                 newsletter issues that pertain to ham
                                 antenna/station protection)

Good stuff--73  Terry/WB4FXD


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:44 1996
From: [e-mail](Drew Steitz)
Newsgroups: rec.ham.radio,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio,amateur,rec.radio.amateur.swap
Subject: HAM License Plates?
Date: 20 Jun 1996 10:12:09 GMT
Message-ID: <4qb85p$[e-mail]>

Hello Hams and AmRadio Buffs!

I'm a license plate collector, and as always, I'm looking to add some
plates to my collection.  If you have a plate (or plates) that are just
lying around, drop me a line!  I'll probably buy it!

I have a pretty good collection going, and some can be seen on my
license plate collectors site -
http://users.aol.com/PL8Seditor/queen-b.htm

Hope I hear from you!

(by the way, all butt-kissing aside, many thanks to all the ham
operators who have helped me out with my hobby in the past - you guys
(and girls) have been really decent and helpful, and it IS appreciated.
- Drewski)


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:45 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Robert Casey)
Subject: Re: Hello + A CB Problem In My Town!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4pmvbm$[e-mail]> <4ppqs6$[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:11:25 GMT

What was the nature of your town's CB "problem"?  TVI?  Dirty words?

One could build a "stealth" antenna anyway.  Wire dipole in the trees.
Wire verticals.  Load up a rain gutter downspout.  Using a transmatch
(legal) that should be no problem.  Someone could make some side money
installing "stealth" antennas for the CB community.  AFAIK, there is
no FCC reg on CB antennas other than it can't be higher than 60 feet
above the house (or somesuch).


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:46 1996
From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Homebrew Microwave Equipment
Date: 22 Jun 1996 11:49:38 GMT
Message-ID: <4qgmki$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
Nathan Odle  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'd like to start out with a simple wideband voice
>link using a horn and dish, and progress to maybe a 10GHz data link.

As a matter of curiosity, Is there a hope to find a QSO-partner
on 10GHz WBFM? When I finished my WBFM TRX 10 years
ago, it turned out that everyone else here had moved to SSB.

73, Moritz DL5UH



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:47 1996
From: Steve Roberts <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Homebrew Microwave Equipment
Date: 22 Jun 1996 21:31:07 GMT
Message-ID: <4qhomr$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Nathan Odle <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of any kits/plans/directions for the construction of
> microwave gear?  I'd like to start out with a simple wideband voice
> link using a horn and dish, and progress to maybe a 10GHz data link.  I
> have seen the project in the 1994 ARRL Handbook, and think it might be a
> little too complicated to start with.  Any help along these lines will
> be GREATLY appreciated.


  Try the RSGB (radio society of Great Brittain)  UHF/VHF handbooks,
usually available from ARRL or in a really good university library,
also check out back issues of 73 magazines micro column by CL Houghton
as he likes to work on a budget as well.
hope this helps.


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:48 1996
From: William W Janssen <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Homebrew Microwave Equipment
Date: 22 Jun 1996 17:12:29 GMT
Message-ID: <4qh9ht$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

To measure the 10 GHz frequency, Set up the Gunnplexer to transmit
and measure the receive diode current. Put a sheet metal reflector
in front and move it towards and away from the Gunnplexer. You
should see the diode current go through minimum and maximum values.
The distance between minimum's is a half wave. If you move
the plate through many halfwaves you can average the measurements
and easily get into the 10GHz band.

I hope that description is clear.

Bill K7NOM



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:49 1996
From: Roger Barker <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,uk.radio.amateur,uwarwick.societies.amateur-radio,alt.radio.scanner,alt.radio.scanner.uk
Subject: Re: Horncastle Rally..30 june 1996...
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:37:41 +0100
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4qm2e3$ot2$[e-mail]>

In article <4qm2e3$ot2$[e-mail]>, Shane-Antony
D'ARCY <[e-mail]> writes
>Hi All,
>This years Horncastle Rally will be on Sunday June 30 at the
>Youth Centre, Horncastle, Lincolnshire.
>The start is at 10.30.
>Admission is the princely sum of 50p.
>For Table bookings contact Tony G6CZV@GB7IDE or me via email at
>[e-mail].

Definitely the best small rally in the country. Well worth a visit, and
you can take the wife and kids to the Lincolnshire coast on the way
home!

--
Roger Barker, G4IDE  [e-mail]
Boston, UK           "Be tolerant of everything, except for intolerance!"


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:49 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How many times have you heard a bootlegger running CW?
Date: 21 Jun 1996 15:32:41 GMT
Message-ID: <4qefap$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Just a simple question.

                         Jim WD9AHF




From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:51 1996
From: [e-mail] (Karl Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How would removing the CW test help amateur radio? (was Re:
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:09:47 -0400
Message-ID: <CSLE87-2406960909480001@145.39.1.10>
References: <[e-mail]> <1996May31.094014.1@leif> <[e-mail]> <4p5eff$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pnpq8$[e-mail]> <Pine.BSI.3.93.960613084215.14431B-100 <4pv7qq$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q6ndm$[e-mail]>

In article <4q6ndm$[e-mail]>, Cecil Moore
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
> >Also, not all the military has abandoned CW. The "elite" forces have not. I
> >guess the really tough guys like what others find too hard to do. In more
> >things than one.
> By all means, let's make ham radio so difficult and elite that our
numbers are
> too few to support the hobby. Hey, maybe you can even make history by being
> the very last ham, so elite that you have no one to talk to which is good
> because you will have no frequencies left. Armond, this is not a paramilitar
y
> hobby! If that's what you want, go join a militia and be as elite as you
> choose.
>
> 73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)

Begging to differ with Armond, but the directive to drop CW came directly
from the office of the Secretary of Defense.  It requires ALL DoD agencies
to terminate ALL use of Morse Code in all DoD operations (including
training) by the end of this fiscal year, aka Sept 30, 1996.  This order
includes ALL military and defense forces, period.  I guess the new
definition of being elite in Armond's eyes will be that they defied a
direct order from the Secretary of Defense.
--
Karl Beckman, P.E.                <      If our English language is so   >
Motorola Private Data Systems     <   precise, why do you drive on the   >
Schaumburg, IL  /  Parma, OH      <   parkway and park on the driveway?  >
[phone] / [phone]
**  Opinions expressed here do NOT represent the views of Motorola Inc. **
--
Amateur radio WA8NVW                        NavyMARS NNN0VBH @ NOGBN.NOASI


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:53 1996
From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HT Inventor on Talk Show
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 02:07:16 GMT
Message-ID: <4qnhlr$[e-mail]>
References: <4qmd1l$[e-mail]> <4qmd51$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:

>>[e-mail] (Len Winkler) wrote:
>>
>>>Al Gross, W8PAL, will be the special guest this Sunday, 6/30/96, on
>>>the Ham Radio & More Show. Mr. Gross invented the first hand held, the

>Didn't the military have handhelds during WWII? I believe they used
>small nuvistor tubes or acorn tubes. I'll ask the experts over on the
>boatanchors list to confirm this.

>Jeff KH2PZ / KH6
Yes, they did. The Joan/Eleanor Project used them in Germany and Gross
Electronics in Ohio made them with the OSS. Al is the guy behind it
and he still has some of the original models.
Len

Len Winkler, KB7LPW                        [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                                         [e-mail]
Phoenix, AZ. 85068-9219

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The Ham Radio & More Show airs LIVE each Sunday at 6:00pm ET,
(2200utc), on many local commercial stations throughout the country.
ALSO: LIVE on WWCR Shortwave, 7.435mhz and 12.160mhz, 100,000 watts.(Thanks WW
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ALSO: LIVE on RealAudio at: http://ww2.audionet.com/pub/kbnp/kbnp.htm (Thanks
KBNP)

Also available tape delayed via WWCR Shortwave on Mondays, at 0900utc on 7.435
mhz; Saturdays, at 1600utc on 12.160mhz; and on Sundays, at 0400utc on 5.065mh
z.

Support "WOG", the Written Only General!



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:54 1996
From: [e-mail] (N8VNA)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I support the LEO and the loss of ham frequencies. - signatur.pce (0/1)
Date: 23 Jun 1996 02:31:49 -0400
Message-ID: <4qiocl$[e-mail]>
References: <4pieab$[e-mail]>

This is not an appropriate use of this usenet group.

Burt, you are intitled to your opinions, but not here. Choose another
forum.



               73's Jeff         AMPRnet:   [e-mail]
            Headland AL     Packet:       N8VNA@K4RY.#CENAL.AL.USA.NOAM
        "workin' the birds"  Internet:      [e-mail]


                     73's Jeff          AMPRNet:
[e-mail]
                 Headland AL       AX.25:
n8vna@k4ry.#cenal.al.usa.noam
            "working the birds"   Internet:           [e-mail] -or-
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:55 1996
From: [e-mail] (Walter Howse)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Indian Ocean interest in 144 Mhz
Date: 21 Jun 1996 01:39:08 GMT
Message-ID: <4qcufs$[e-mail]>

Wanted - keen 2 metre enthusiasts in southern Indian Ocean region!!!

Reception of the West Australian VHF Group beacon on 144.560 Mhz at
Bunbury OF76 has been reported by Yvon FR1GZ on Reunion Island on 30 May
at 13.04 UTC and 4 June 1996 at 13.31 UTC.

This beacon has an effective radiated power of about 100 watts
horizontally polarised at a bearing of 260 degrees.  It is co-located
with a 6 metre beacon on 50.306 Mhz with similar erp and bearing with
on-off keying on 50 Mhz and FSK on 144 Mhz.

A study of the relevant weather maps and satellite pictures suggests that
this propagation over the 6 000 Km path was not only possible but
repeatable!

Any further reports of reception would be most welcome - better still a
phone call to endeavour to make two way contacts!!

73
Wal


=========================================================================
Dr Walter J Howse                        | [e-mail]
4 Renton St                              | Phone + 61 9 317 2967
Melville                                 | Fax   + 61 9 317 3113
WA Australia  6156                       |
Amateur Radio Station VK6KZ  located OF77vw  Local time UTC + 8
=========================================================================
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From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:56 1996
From: [e-mail] (gudmundur)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: INFO: Dentron GLA-1000 Amp
Date: 21 Jun 1996 23:20:36 GMT
Message-ID: <4qfao4$[e-mail]>
References: <4q97ql$[e-mail]>

In article <4q97ql$[e-mail]>, <Unknown> says...
>
>I need any information on the Dentron GLA-1000 amplifier, such as
>tubes, power output, etc.
>
>Any informtation is welcome,
>
>73's Felipe - pu1wlf - [e-mail]
>
It uses 4 6JE6C television sweep tubes in parallel. Typical operation
is about 1000vdc at 750-800ma. on the plates with 100 watts of drive.
If you see about 650 watts of CW output, it is working about normal.
BE AWARE of the following,
don't key down for more than about three seconds at a time while
tuning, it will surely damage the tubes!
The amp should draw no more than about 90ma. at idle with no rf input,
if it draws more, the tube life will be short and it will be prone to
melt downs. You may need to add some normal diodes to the bias zener
to throttle the idle current down.
Sweep tubes are easily destroyed at these voltages and currents, and
I never classed the gla-1000 as more than a poor boy's amp.
If you can, buy a real amp with 811A's or PL172 or 3-500Z's or
something along the line of a real amp.
After you melt a few quads of 6JE6 tubes and pay about $100 for a set
of replacements, you will wish you had bought a better amp.
Just my opinions.    73  WN3SOH/WB3BIO/KD3SH-TF temp




From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:57 1996
From: Rob Swider <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is RS extended  warenty  worth while???
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:18:35 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4pha0d$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Andrew Lawlor wrote:
>
> Rob Swider wrote:
> >
> > Andrew Lawlor wrote:
> > > I bought an HTX-202 in Oct 93, after moving from Hawaii to Nebraska, the
> > > finals quit working... I sent it in and repairs would have been $180 (fo
r
> > > a radio I bought on sale for about the same price).
> >
> > Interesting, the same repair only cost me $80, including tax.
> >
> > 73
> > Rob
> > KB3BFM
>
> Well, I ain't making it up... here's the charges (didn't have to pay them,
> of course):
>
> Part Number: XB3974, Description: PCB ASSY,RF  129.38 + labor 49.00 = 178.38
>
> (Of note, it had to go back about two days later for the same problem.  It
> makes me wonder if it was all actually replaced the first time.)
>
> 73 AGN  Andy KC6NMD

I wasn't implying that you were making it up, sorry if it was taken as such.
I do find it interesting that the RS tech that repaired your rig replaced the
RF board assembly and mine was repaired by replacing several components.  I
don't have the invoice in front of me, but it was about $15.00 worth of
parts.  Granted, there may be good reason for the difference, but... I wonder
if the experience level of their repair techs varies so greatly that some are
simply "board swappers"?  Reminds me of the field service that most computer
companies supply.  These guys just swap boards in our system as instructed.
They used to call them "Field Engineer" or the like, now they are called
"Field Service".  Notice the lack of "Engineer" in the job description.

My main point is that you, "Mr Customer", pay for their lack of experience in
the form of higher repair costs.  This isn't just Radio Shack that operates
this way.  I can tell you some interesting things about our experience with
former Malcolm Baldridge Award winner, Motorola and their service group.

In defense of Radio Shack, I own two HTX-202s, HTX-100 and HTX-212.  All have
performed well, except for the finals on one of the 202s.

73,
Rob
KB3BFM


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:58 1996
From: [e-mail] (Chris.L.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Kenwood fast charger for TH-78A (bc 15a) WANTED
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 05:44:07 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I am looking for the BC 15A fast charger for my Kenwood TH 78A

Please reply via Email

Chris Lunstroth
[e-mail]
VA3 CJL


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:31:59 1996
From: KD1YV <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Little LEOs: Gates and McCaw apparently not involved.
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:26:14 -0300
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>,<4qg7v6$[e-mail]> <4qlck9$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In article <4qg7v6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (SeymourwD)
 writes:
> >Don't we have enough emf in our bodies?
>
> No, we don't. Mssrs. Gates and McCaw want to corner the market on RF
> radiation and co-opt the PCS systems coming soon. This is your brain
> on drugs, this is your brain on RF, any questions?  :){deletia}
> Mike   N0JAS   Des Moines

Apparently Gates and McCaw are not involved in the bid for the amateur frequen
cies.  In
a note from ARRL, I noticed that Gates and McCaws company, Teledesic, was cons
picuous in
its absence, so I sent a note to Dave Summner questioning this.  His reply:

"Jim, Teledesic is one of the "big LEOs." Their interest is in much higher
frequencies; VHF/UHF won't provide the bandwidth they need."

But keep those cards and letters going to the IWG and FCC et al.  We are still
 being
threatened.

73 de Jim, KD1YV


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:00 1996
From: "B. Danielson" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: MFJ 1278 TNC for sale
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 08:59:48 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

MFJ 1278 TNC for sale complete w/manual, works
and looks good, $150.00

Bruce, N7RFM
541-389-6496


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:01 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: mod
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <4qa0ag$[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:16:00 GMT

In article <4qa0ag$[e-mail]> student <student@duck_one.siast.sk.ca
> writes:
>
>hi I'm looking for a mod for the ict22a, any mod will do.

1) Take a large brick, place the radio on it

2) Take another large brick, and slam it as hard as you can on the other

This mod will stop illegal out of band transmissions from your radio,
and as a side benefit, will reduce the annoyance of others on the amateur
bands who would otherwise have to suffer your scratchie signal on their
repeaters. Just say no to handi-scratchies. Real radios need 800 cold
cranking amps from their batteries.

Gary







For the humor impaired...  :-)
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:02 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: mod
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 23:04:53 GMT

student <student@duck_one.siast.sk.ca> writes:
>hi I'm looking for a mod for the ict22a, any mod will do.

1. Reverse the polarity of the battery pack.
2. Short the antenna to ground.

These will certainly modify it's operation.


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:02 1996
From: [e-mail] (David Gold)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Mods for IC-Z1A
Date: 23 Jun 1996 21:17:28 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I am looking for any and all mods for the IC-Z1A. Mainly 800 and MARS/CAP.




From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:03 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bill Northup)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: My 736R causes power line interference
Date: 20 Jun 1996 21:22:49 GMT
Message-ID: <4qcff9$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Like a number of other people I have had problems with the power supply in my
736r. In my case the noise was getting into my TNC. The solution was pull the
plug on the switching power supply and run the rig from the battery that I run
the rest of the station on.



--
--

    Bill Northup, N1QPR         EMAIL [e-mail]
                                QRP-NE #307
                                NorCal #1027
                                QRP-L  #356



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:04 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: need emergency generator recommendations
Date: 15 Jun 1996 22:32:41 GMT
Message-ID: <4pvdm9$[e-mail]>

I need a generator to run electronics for emergency use.  I am
looking for something in the 350 to 500 watt range.  I know honda
makes a good one but it is expensive.  I'd like to know what else
is out there to consider at a better price.

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:05 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bob Gray)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need parts list to build a FM detector...
Date: 19 Jun 1996 10:15:41 -0400
Message-ID: <4q922d$[e-mail]>

Hello, I would like to build a FM detector using common parts found
at my local radio shack store.  I do not want to buy a kit, instead
I want to buy individual parts and connect them on a "breadboard".

Can anyone help?  Once built, (and hopefully it works), I would
like to change circuit parameters and see how the phase deviation,
modulation index, etc changes.

Please email me direct at [e-mail]

Thanks in advance!

Bob Gray




From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:06 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steve Andrew)
Newsgroups: alt.engineering.electrical,aus.electronics,aus.radio.amateur.misc,de.sci.electronics,in.ham-radio,rec.ham-radio,rec.radio.amateur.misc,sci.electronics,sci.electronics.cad,sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.misc,uk.radio.amateur
Subject: New electronics WWW page and free RF and electronics CAD software
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:37:22 GMT
Message-ID: <4q949n$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]


A beta version of RafCad-Lite is now available for free
downloading from:

        http://www.ozemail.com.au/~sjandrew/

RadCad-Lite is an RF and Electronics CAD package with a
difference. Full details may be obtain from the above web
site.

In addition to RadCad-Lite, the above web site contains many
interesting and useful links to manufacturers WWW and FTP
sites as well as Amateur Radio WWW and FTP sites.

Why not drop in and take a look.


Regards... Steve Andrew




From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:07 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steve Andrew)
Newsgroups: alt.engineering.electrical,aus.electronics,aus.radio.amateur.misc,de.sci.electronics,in.ham-radio,rec.ham-radio,rec.radio.amateur.misc,sci.electronics,sci.electronics.cad,sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.misc,uk.radio.amateur
Subject: RadCad-Lit - Problems with Setup and VBRUN300.DLL
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:15:53 GMT
Message-ID: <4qbuek$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

         V 0.5 Beta - Release Notes
         ==========================


              21 June, 1996


Problems installing RadCad-Lite
-------------------------------

Some users have reported problems with Setup.exe.

On running Setup.exe, a message is displayed say
'Cannot copy VBRUN300.DLL'. This occurs when there
is already a copy of VBRUN300.DLL in the
WINDOW\SYSTEM directory. The fault would appear to
lie with Setup.exe, supplied by MicroSoft as part
of the Visual Basic 3.0 setup kit. Setup.exe is
supposed to install VBRUN300.DLL included with
RadCad-Lite, provided the copy of VBRUN300.DLL on
the target system is older than the version about
to be installed. This is not happening.

If you are experiencing the above problem then we
suggest you rename your current version of VBRUN300.DLL
 and then run Setup.exe again. Check that any other
applications that require VBRUN300 run correctly.

We are working on this problem and will post an
advisory note to usenet.

The version data for the version of VBRUN300.DLL
included with RadCad-Lite is:

    Size: 394,384 bytes
    Date: 28 March, 1993



Contacting us
-------------

E-mail:  [e-mail]

   WWW:  http://www.ozemail.com.au/~sjandrew/

 Phone:  [phone]
   Fax:  [phone]

  Mail:  Mad Cow Systems
         92 Boykambil Esplanade
         Hope Island
         Gold Coast
         Queensland
         Q 4212
         Australia




From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:08 1996
From: Pete van den Broek <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Radio Hams in Curacao
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 22:59:03 +0000
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Does anyone know of an active radio amateur in the Netherlands Antilles,
specifically Curacao?

My father in law has just moved out there and he is a radio amateur and
I would like to start working to Curacao from the UK.  He doesnt have
his kit set up yet so I would like to try to work to some one else on
the island.

Thanks for any info


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:09 1996
From: [e-mail] (duffy1)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack-You've got questions?-We've got BLANK STARES!
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:08:37
Message-ID: <4qbpfg$[e-mail]>
References: <4pha63$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pn7gv$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q9cuv$[e-mail]>

Inflated prices?

I have seen nice, new, small HTs from Alinco selling for $179.
Seems they are a better value than the RS HTs.  They also seem to
be less problematic.  Plus, they have more features than just the
basics.  You can also get a load of accessories.  RS offers almost
nothing in the way of accessories.  How about a rapid changer?

In article <4q9cuv$[e-mail]> Steve Roberts wrote:
>I would have never gotten on the air due to the inflated prices of
basic
>Janpanese HTs on my college student budget.
>
> just my 2 cents,
>
>  Steve N8vkd



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:10 1996
From: Barry O'Grady <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack-You've got questions?-We've got BLANK STARES!
Date: 23 Jun 1996 16:19:01 GMT
Message-ID: <4qjqpl$[e-mail]>
References: <4pha63$[e-mail]> <4phgiv$[e-mail]> <4pi6vg$[e-mail]> <4ptv9v$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Lisa M. Keeton) wrote:
:>[e-mail](Jim Lowman) just cast this into the Electronic
Void:
:>
:>>>One of the only reasons I would go into any of the area's RS stores -
:>>>and only that one - was that the manager was a ham, and a member of
our
:>>>local club.  He got demoted back to salesman and reassigned to a
store
:>>>with probably fewer customers, then was dismissed.
:>
:>   This is, unfortunately, quite typical.
:>
:>>>This leads me to believe that RS could care less about the technical
:>>>background of its employees.  Being a retail outlet, sales is the
:>>>bottom line.

I would far rather have an RS that could care less than one that
couldn't care less.





From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:11 1996
From: Peter Lemken <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Special Prefixes - 100 years since Yukon Gold Discovery
Date: 18 Jun 1996 10:46:31 GMT
Message-ID: <4q61e7$[e-mail]>
References: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960613054705.29092A-100000@dec>

"Stuart R. Crawford VE6SRC" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>THis is hot off the presses from VE2PIJ
>
>Regular Prefixes      Special Prefixes
>PrEfixes rEguliers    PrEfixes spEciaux
>
>VA2                           VD2
>

Damn, another Canadian special prefix. What are you doing this for
anyway? This gets annoying more and more. The Canadians and their special
prefixes, of which there must be millions, are worse than the
Ex-Soviet-Union. Is it an ego-thing?



Peter "No-special-prefix" Lemken
DF5JT/KE4UNQ



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:12 1996
From: [e-mail] (Stanley Schroeder)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Standard Mod.C867L Crystals?
Date: 15 Jun 1996 21:25:18 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4pv9nu$[e-mail]>


Does anybody know where I can get crystals for a Standard Moble radio
Model C867L
(2 channel VHF) I got it at a swapmeet, it has crystals for 157.xxx, and
I want to use it for packet on 145.630 mhz and 146.512 mhz. Is there
anywhere in the L.A./ San Bdo. CA area I can get them. And does the radio
need to be retuned, or can I just plug in the different crystals?
Thanks in advance!
Stan
de KF6CND
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:14 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Ken McCoy)
Subject: Stats needed in band-threat defense
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 03:29:34 GMT

I recently sent the following email to the ARRL. I thought I'd share
it here as well, in the event that anyone has the kind of information
that I'm looking for. I'd be glad to collect and re-post. If you send
me some information, please be sure it is accurate, and please send it
directly to my email address below (rather than doing a follow-up
post).

73
Ken KF4BQF

---------------------------------
In my own efforts to build a decent argument for the preservation
of the 2m and 70cm bands, I have been unable to locate a good
source for hard data concerning the use of the bands. It should
be within the ability of the ARRL to easily locate statistics on
such matters as

- the number of 2m repeaters and amateur clubs in the USA
- the percentage and number count of new licensees who are
  no-code technicians
- sales of 2m rigs in recent months: HT, mobile, and base
- the number and frequency of ARES/RACES, SKYWARN, and NTS nets
  and other regular training excercises
- the number of times amateurs were actually deployed in
  disaster situations last year
- a comprehensive list of other public-service activities
  serviced by the 2m and 70cm bands.

Posting this information would help all hams by giving us
ammunition for our arguments, and also help make it clear
what the public stands to lose (not to mention those who own
all that 2m equipment).

Let me know if you have any ideas. I've sent my letter to the
FCC; I'd like to send more to Congress and the Vice-President
with some solid information.

Thanks and 73,

Ken McCoy
KF4BQF
[e-mail]





From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:15 1996
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: They do not come any phoneyer
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 17:29:19 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qgvrf$[e-mail]>

Jim Kehler wrote:

> Come back and tell us when YOU are dying Burt, that's
> something we'd all like to hear.
>
> 73, Jim KH2D

So typical of a phoney ham, wish someone death and best regards
in the same message.
You speak for all?
What is dying is hihi ham radio.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
|                            [e-mail]                          |
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From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:16 1996
From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: This Week in Amateur Radio #169 (for air through 6/28/96)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 96 05:08:40 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Here is a summary of news items covered on edition #169 of
"This Week in Amateur Radio", North America's most up-to-the-minute
audio bulletin service, for the week ending 28-Jun:
-
1.   FCC Announces Opening of Next Vanity Call Sign Program Gate
2.   Ham Astronauts Aboard Columbia Will be Calling "CQ Field Day"
3.   ARRL Reviews Request for Medical Use of 1296 MHz Band
4.   Special Event Station Calendar with George Bowen, N2LQS
5.   Kenwood Defends Plan to Sell Ham Gear in CB Stores, Truck Stops
6.   Wayne Green Incorporated Files for Bankruptcy, "73" Spared
7.   Weekly Propagation Forecast with Cheryl Bowen, N2SBB
8.   "Gateway 160 Meter Net Report" with Vern Jackson, WA0RCR
9.   "The RAIN Dial-up" from Chicago
10.  Mobile 5 Meter Pioneer, Dutch Microwave Contester - Both SK
-
"This Week in Amateur Radio" is a weekly amateur voice bulletin
service, produced by Community Video Associates, Inc., a New York
State not-for-profit corporation based in Albany, NY.  The program
is heard each Saturday at 9:00 PM (EDT) and carried on VHF/UHF
repeaters throughout North America and on 160 meters at 1860 kHz.
Contact your local amateur radio club or repeater operator if
"This Week in Amateur Radio" is not being heard in your area.
-
NOTICE:  The service returns to satellite air this week through
facilities provided by the W0KIE Satellite Network.  It will be
carried on Hughes Communications SBS-6 ("Ku" band), transponder 13B
upper.  The transponder center frequency is 12.019 GHz.  Affiliates
will need to tune up in frequency to 12.031 GHz.  Program audio will
be on a 6.2 MHz analog subcarrier.  SBS-6 is co-located with Galaxy
VI at 74 degrees west longitude.  The move to "Ku" band (12 GHz)
will force some affiliates to retrofit their receiving systems.
Negotiations with a new "C" band (4 GHz) satellite carrier are still
in progress.  Efforts are also being made to "simulcast" the service
on the Internet, but plans are incomplete at this time.  All
affiliates are being notified by email, packet, or landline.
-
Production and transmission expenses are underwritten by donations
from repeater operators, amateur radio clubs, and individuals.
Further information is available from George Bowen, N2LQS, at
518/283-3665 (email [e-mail]) or Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB,
at 518/664-6809 (email [e-mail]).  You may also reach
them @ WA2UMX.FN32AW.ENY.NY.USA.NA via amateur packet.


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:17 1996
From: [e-mail] (Sandra Pardue)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Vanity Call Curiosity
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 15:54:04 GMT
Message-ID: <4qegis$[e-mail]>
To: All

I applied during Gate 1 to regain my original call sign. Application was made
by First Class Mail sent on May 30th (I didn't want it to arrive prior to the
gate opening).  According to the UALR web call sign server my call was
reinstated on June 19th.

Now, to the point of curiosity.  My check was processed by the FCC through the

Melon Bank on June 4th (which sets the arrival date of my application as
probably Monday or Tuesday, June 3rd or 4th).  In any case, the number 19 was
written on the face of the check in red ball-point pen.  Remember that my
application was processed on the 19th.  Is this a coincidence or is the FCC
assigning incoming 610Vs to be processed on specific dates?  Anyone else
notice a number on their fee check?  And, if so, does it coincide with the
processing date?

This is of course no big deal either way.  Just a curiosity!

73, Joe, K5HLR (Again, as it was in 1956)




From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:19 1996
From: [e-mail] (Skid Schermerhorn, W1TTY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Call Curiosity
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 18:20:04 GMT
Message-ID: <4qk26f$[e-mail]>
References: <4qegis$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Sandra Pardue) wrote:

>I applied during Gate 1 to regain my original call sign. Application was made

>by First Class Mail sent on May 30th (I didn't want it to arrive prior to the

>gate opening).  According to the UALR web call sign server my call was
>reinstated on June 19th.

>Now, to the point of curiosity.  My check was processed by the FCC through th
e
>Melon Bank on June 4th (which sets the arrival date of my application as
>probably Monday or Tuesday, June 3rd or 4th).  In any case, the number 19 was

>written on the face of the check in red ball-point pen.  Remember that my
>application was processed on the 19th.  Is this a coincidence or is the FCC
>assigning incoming 610Vs to be processed on specific dates?  Anyone else
>notice a number on their fee check?  And, if so, does it coincide with the
>processing date?

>This is of course no big deal either way.  Just a curiosity!

>73, Joe, K5HLR (Again, as it was in 1956)

        My wife's application was mailed on the 30th and the check was marked
in red as 08 and the effective date was the 18th.

73



Skid Schermerhorn - W1TTY   http://www.control.com/~skid/skid
East Sandwich               http://www.control.com/~skid/church
Massachusetts  02537        http://www.control.com/~skid/bookmark




From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:20 1996
From: [e-mail] (Burch Akin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Call Signs??
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:18:59 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4qbh82$[e-mail]> <4qbsaq$[e-mail]>

Cecil Moore <[e-mail]> wrote:

>[e-mail]     (Roger J. Buffington; AB6WR) wrote:
>

>Hi Roger, someone said the FCC got 350 applications the first day and
>they processed 5. Yours and mine are probably far behind those 350
>which, at the same rate, will be finished a little more than 2 months
>from now. Don't expect too much from an organization that took 2 years
>to release the application form?
>
>73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)

I mailed my application on May 31 and I checked the ualr database and
my new call was issued on Jun 18th.  I haven't recieved the ticket in
the mail yet.

K4QXX (previously KE4ZQV)
Burch Akin



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:21 1996
From: Peter Lemken <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VE6RAC Field Day
Date: 18 Jun 1996 10:56:58 GMT
Message-ID: <4q621q$[e-mail]>
References: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960617164527.14955D-100000@dec>

"Stuart R. Crawford VE6SRC" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>VE6RAC FIELD DAY SITE
>=====================
>

What????? No special prefix??


<Slap> Sorry, I'll be a good boy in the future.


Peter Lemken
DF5JT/KE4UNQ




From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:22 1996
From: Steve Preston <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.dx
Subject: Re: VE7TCP ???
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:00:21 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4pc9oq$[e-mail]> <4pf3p6$[e-mail]> <4pif1k$[e-mail]>

Test


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:23 1996
From: Michael J Wooding <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: VHF Communications Magazine
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 17:21:48 +0100
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Hi All,

For those of you who already subscribe to VHF Communications and to
anyone who may be interested, issue 2/1996 of the magazine will be
shipped Monday June 24th,

For information on the contents of this issue or for any other info
regarding the magazine please take a look at our WWW sites.

UK:  http://www.eolas.co.uk/ag/vhfcomm.htm
USA: http://www.clearlight.com/~vhfcomm

Regards ... Mike

--
Michael J Wooding G6IQM     email: [e-mail]
http://www.eolas.co.uk/ag/vhfcomm.htm & http://www.clearlight.co./~vhfcomm
KM Publications, 5 Ware Orchard, Barby, Nr.Rugby, CV23 8UF, UK
Tel: [phone]     Fax: [phone]
VHF Communications Magazine - Especially covering VHF, UHF and Microwaves


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:24 1996
From: [e-mail] (Eric Summers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: VHF Operation Question...
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:08:54 GMT
Message-ID: <4qovb6$[e-mail]>


This question is more for clarification than lack of knowledge,

I have a Radio Shack HTX-202 2M FM transceiver, can I communicate with
someone who is using a non-FM transceiver? I would think that he could
receive me fine, but would sound garbled on my end.

The reason I ask is that I want to get into VHF non-repeater contacts,
particularly DX. I have called CQ on the national calling frequency
(144.200) a few times, but the responses have been garbled.

Is there much activity as far as FM non-repeater communications go?
Once I get this antenna up, will I have any trouble making contacts on
the simplex range of the band?

Thanks,
KE4RCA




From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:25 1996
From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.amateur.dx,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur
Subject: Re: Wanted HF QSO
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 02:28:31 GMT
Message-ID: <4qd1cf$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
   Fukuyama YMCA <[e-mail]> wrote:
>This is FUKUYAMA YMCA Amateur Radio Club, fukuyama city, Hiroshima
Prefecture,
>Western Japan. We would like to have friends or club station to keep a
schedule
>QSO once a week. QRV 14 and 28 MHz. Please give us a mail. Thank you.
>e-mail [e-mail]  Kiyotaka Karashima

  Just thought I'd move this post to some more appropriate newsgroups.
In the USA, the CB band is 27 MHz (11 meters).  The requested freqs are
in the USA amateur band.

73, Curt KD4YU (ex-WB4LHI)


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:27 1996
From: [e-mail] (cc wynn)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What do the LEOs want to put on MS
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 16:19:21 LOCAL
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4qg7v6$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qhfht$[e-mail]>

In article <4qhfht$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim
 Kehler) writes:


>[e-mail] (cc wynn) wrote:

>>From what I have read, the amateur radio service is up against some of the
>>most skillful, crafty, rich, and powerful people in the U.S. on this issue.

>Who are these people, Clay ?  Little green men from Mars ?  Please
>show us some documentation to prove they are after us.   SHARE
>what 'you have read' that says the sky is falling with the rest of us.

>>It would behoove us to better understand the technology that is being
>>proposed to be dropped in our midst, the strength, weakness, agenda (both
>>apparent and hidden), etc.  In that regard I have found a good webb page
>>that gives the history, background, and description of satellite constellati
on
>>communication systems in general and l'leos specifically.  The source is:
>
>>http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/constellations/

>I think what you have 'found' is a personal soap box for a whacko at
>UOS.  Speaking of 'hidden agendas', did't you think it rather strange
>that someone who would put together a web page about satellites would
>throw a 'F__K YOU' message in your face automatically every 60 seconds
>while you were reading his web page? If you want anyone else to find
>it, get the address right.  I think it would behoove you to read the
>story about Chicken Little. And it would also behoove you to
>understand that if UPS, or Motorola, or Microsoft, or any other
>megabucks company in the U.S. wants the ham bands, the ham bands are
>as good as gone.  That's how the world works, Clay, money talks and
>hams walk.....

>Please explain to us how hams, who can't put together enuff money to
>fly one satellite, are going to fight a company that can put together
>enuff money to fly 850 of them ?   And please don't tell us we are
>gonna go blow up satellite dishes, some moron already suggest that....

>73, Jim KH2D

Sorry Jim,

   I suppose I found his ranting a little more informative than yours.

73,
Clay N4AOX
[e-mail]







From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:29 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What do the LEOs want to put on MS
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:01:53 GMT
Message-ID: <4qlovm$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4qg7v6$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qhfht$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (cc wynn) wrote:

>In article <4qhfht$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ji
m Kehler) writes:


>>[e-mail] (cc wynn) wrote:

>>>From what I have read, the amateur radio service is up against some of the
>>>most skillful, crafty, rich, and powerful people in the U.S. on this issue.

>>Who are these people, Clay ?  Little green men from Mars ?  Please
>>show us some documentation to prove they are after us.   SHARE
>>what 'you have read' that says the sky is falling with the rest of us.

>Sorry Jim,

>   I suppose I found his ranting a little more informative than yours.

>73,
>Clay N4AOX
>[e-mail]

That's fine, Clay, to each his own. But you, just like everyone else I
asked, failed to answer the question.  One liners are cute, but if you
want the rest of us to jump on the band wagon and help you save
ham radio, we need to be informed.  I'd love to help. But so far I
have seen nothing tangible from anyone, just a lot of the sky is
falling hype.

So, I repeat:

Please show us some documentation to prove they are after us.   SHARE
what 'you have read' that says the sky is falling with the rest of us.

73, Jim KH2D







From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:29 1996
From: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WHAT DOES THE FCC CARE AB
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 96 17:30:00 -0400
Distribution: world
Reply-To: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)


To: [e-mail]
Subject: WHAT DOES THE FCC CARE ABOUT?

 >Besides, the FCC really won't care if you interfere with illigal
transmitions > I'm not
 >saying it is right or wrong, it is the facts!

At this point, I do not know what the FCC cares about except the
auctioning off of frequencies to the highest bidder.
---
   OLX 1.53   -------------->    73, de NK2U    <----------------


 * Origin: CyberNet BBS   Lyndhurst, NJ (1:2604/151)

             ......oooooOOOOOo         http://www.intac.com/~cono
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     |________| |__|___________}          Node 1: 201-641-7307
      ooooo oo ~ ooO-O-O-O == oo\         Node 2: 201-641-3126



From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:31 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Why are we here ? (Was Something Else, no longer appropriate)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:38:19 GMT
Message-ID: <4qm24v$[e-mail]>
References: <4qc569$[e-mail]> <4qdvd0$[e-mail]> <4qec90$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qeklr$[e-mail]> <4qhfho$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

>Well Burt, err Jim, then what the hell are *you* doing here? With
>that atitude, *you* should be the one getting off the chair.

>Gary

Well, Gary, there's a litte Burp in all of us I guess, you too huh ?
You lash out before you comprehend.  Franks suggests that internet
is 'the world', I don't.  I've seen more of the world by accident then
I ever intended to see on purpose.  What am I doing here ?

I find it amusing.  And I can't play golf at night cuz it's dark.

I don't have to get up in the morning (except for tee times, and we
usually schedule them after noon), I stay up very late most nights,
I don't watch TV, and internet, like ham radio, is a great way to burn
up free time.  You might say it's a hobby, like ham radio.  People who
can't find things to do in their free time are usually very unhappy
people, Gary, and I try my best to keep smiling.  I was forced to use
internet because of business reasons, so I didn't come here looking
for any ways to improve my world.

I find a few intelligent things to read, but not many. So I again, I
guess, internet is like ham radio, where I find a few interesting
conversations to listen to, but not many.

I've met a few people I enjoy typing to, but not many, just like I
have met a few hams in different countries that I have become
good friends with, but not many.

It's kinda like RADIO FUN with no radio, Gary. Surely you're
not so busy with breaking things that you don't have time for
a little RADIO FUN ????

So that's why I'm here. But I'm just visiting, it's Frank's
world, not mine.

What are you doing here, Gary ?

73, Jim KH2D






From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:32 1996
From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Why are we here ? (Was Something Else, no longer appropriate)
Date: 25 Jun 1996 14:44:46 GMT
Message-ID: <4qou0u$[e-mail]>
References: <4qc569$[e-mail]> <4qdvd0$[e-mail]> <4qec90$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qeklr$[e-mail]> <4qhfho$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qm24v$[e-mail]> <4qme1v$[e-mail]> <4qorer$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)


Jim Kehler ([e-mail]) writes:
> [e-mail] (Frank Sved) wrote:
>
>
>>Jim, it amazes me that you keep so well misinformed.
>
> Thanks, Frank. In this part of the world we pride ourselves on being
> at the cutting edge of technology.
>
> 73, Jim KH2D
>
>
Congratulations on the cut & paste, Jim!  I'm glad to see Wordstar 1.0
working so well.

Next step: Spell check.

                                       XX
> I've met a few people I enjoy typing to, but not many, just
> like I have met a few hams in different countries that I have become
> good friends with, but not many.



A friendly reminder, Jim, the little red pills are to help you sleep, the
big yellow ones are for the voices at night, and the black ones are for
the funny colours you see when you close your eyes. :-)



--
    Talk with you soon ...
                      Frank Sved
                             Amateur: VE3GID
                               Email: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Tue Jun 25 20:32:32 1996
From: Piers <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WT : MARK IN US WITH BAD BACK
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 10:17:19 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]


-- After a hard drive crash and the loss of all my e-mails I need to
contact Mark in the US who was recently off work with a bad back.  He
lives close to a radio shack store and I was corres. regarding parts
for a pro-39 scanner.

Regards

Piers
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:33:59 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Charles R. Hohenstein)
Subject: Field Day
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 13:47:20 GMT

Could someone post proper field day exchanges for station category?




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:00 1996
From: [e-mail] (Joe Pardue)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Call Curiosity
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 15:25:48 GMT
Message-ID: <4qmc1s$[e-mail]>
References: <4qegis$[e-mail]> <4qk26f$[e-mail]>

In article <4qk26f$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Skid Schermerhorn, W1TTY) wrote:
>       My wife's application was mailed on the 30th and the check was marked
>in red as 08 and the effective date was the 18th.
>
>73
>
Skid, I've had several responses via CompuServe's hamnet forum.  Several
supported the processing date vs check notation evidence and several were
exceptions to it!  It was, I guess, curious for a short time anyway!

Thanks for the response & 73
Joe, K5HLR




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:01 1996
From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: HT Inventor on Talk Show
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:43:46 GMT
Message-ID: <4qmd1l$[e-mail]>

Al Gross, W8PAL, will be the special guest this Sunday, 6/30/96, on
the Ham Radio & More Show. Mr. Gross invented the first hand held, the
1st beeper, and was the genesis for the wristwatch radio used by Dick
Tracy, in Chester Gould's comic strip. Mr. Gross was heavily involved
in rocket technology during World War 2 as well as the man behind the
Joan/Eleanor Project. In addition, Mr. Gross was the 1st CB'er in the
US, (not on 11m), and had the 1st CB contact in England between 2
mobiles. Don't miss this live call-in show.



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:03 1996
From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Re: HT Inventor on Talk Show
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 15:45:33 GMT
Message-ID: <4qmd51$[e-mail]>
References: <4qmd1l$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Len Winkler) wrote:

>Al Gross, W8PAL, will be the special guest this Sunday, 6/30/96, on
>the Ham Radio & More Show. Mr. Gross invented the first hand held, the
>1st beeper, and was the genesis for the wristwatch radio used by Dick
>Tracy, in Chester Gould's comic strip. Mr. Gross was heavily involved
>in rocket technology during World War 2 as well as the man behind the
>Joan/Eleanor Project. In addition, Mr. Gross was the 1st CB'er in the
>US, (not on 11m), and had the 1st CB contact in England between 2
>mobiles. Don't miss this live call-in show.


Len Winkler, KB7LPW                        [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                                         [e-mail]
Phoenix, AZ. 85068-9219

Ham Radio & More Show (host); info at:
http://www.barc.org/barc/ham-more.html  (Home Page) (Thanks BARC)
http://www.tapr.org/hrm  (RealAudio site to hear past shows) (Thanks TAPR)

The Ham Radio & More Show airs LIVE each Sunday at 6:00pm ET,
(2200utc), on many local commercial stations throughout the country.
ALSO: LIVE on WWCR Shortwave, 7.435mhz and 12.160mhz, 100,000 watts.(Thanks WW
CR)
ALSO: LIVE on RealAudio at: http://ww2.audionet.com/pub/kbnp/kbnp.htm (Thanks
KBNP)

Also available tape delayed via WWCR Shortwave on Mondays, at 0900utc on 7.435
mhz; Saturdays, at 1600utc on 12.160mhz; and on Sundays, at 0400utc on 5.065mh
z.

Support "WOG", the Written Only General!



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:04 1996
From: [e-mail] (R Baginski)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How long 'til I get my ticket!?
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:40:51 GMT
Message-ID: <4qog0a$[e-mail]>
References: <01bb6023.b573af00$115c09ce@cdavis>

Chris Davis <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I'm taking my Tech+ exam on Tuesday night (the written test will be a
>breeze, not so sure about code, tho.)  A few of my friends said it took
>around 8 weeks to get their ticket.  I've read that you can now start
>using your privileges as soon as you find your call sign (on the
>Internet).  Does anyone know about how long that takes?  Thanks.

>Impatiently,
>Chris
>--
><><--------------------------------------------------------------<><
>                          Chris Davis
>                     [e-mail]
>                        Asst. Engineer
>                  KJLY - Christian Radio
>                       Blue Earth, MN
><><--------------------------------------------------------------<><

Chris -

Good luck on the tests!!

The time it takes to get your call assigned depends on the VE group.
IF they do electronic filing, you could have your call by the end of
the week.  If the mail is used it will be longer.  Ask the VEs how
long it has been taking them.  You can then check the site:

http://athena.ualr.edu/doc/hamualr/callsign.html

to see if you are in the database.  I understand the database is
automagically refreshed each evening.

--  Ray  N3USS  --



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:04 1996
From: Ted F <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A New License Class
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:00:00 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4qhq6g$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Ken Kuzenski <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> >me, though, that it's not a bad thing to have more and more people
> >joining the hobby.  FWIW.  73!
>
> I'm advocating the end of ground school and flight training for private
> pilots....this way a lot more people will fly airplanes.
I don't think a no-code HF license will cause death or physical harn to
anyone.  I can't say the same for private pilots!
Ted F.
N3SQY


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:05 1996
From: [e-mail] (ALaska2053)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I can't even give it away.
Date: 25 Jun 1996 11:05:25 -0400
Message-ID: <4qov7l$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
writes:

>I agree with you.
>How does that make you feel?
>Hams serve their own fat butts.
>

With an attitude like this its no wonder you hate ham radio. NO ONE WANTS
TO TALK TO YOU.  Any hobby is what you make of it. the fact that your
teenage off spring don't like it comes as no great surprise. They will
most likely find very few people their own age to talk to and  have little
diser to try and hold aconversation with someone their parents age or
older. If all you can do is whine and complain about everything hams do
why bother turning on the rig or reading this news group.

This past field day I must have qso at least a dozen young hams working
club stations.

andy


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:06 1996
From: Jake Brodsky <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 186,000 Miles Per Second?
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:56:50 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4pq3e4$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q0s9u$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q5pes$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Gary Coffman wrote:
>
> I'm no longer sure that the toy radiometers work on this principle,
> but photon momentum transfer doesn't depend on photon mass (megative
> or positive) since photons don't have any.

The toy radiometers do not use light pressure. I suppose if one built
such a thing in complete vacuum with extremely low mass, it might be
able to work.  But the scale is entirely wrong.  What actually happens
with the toy ones you see is the argon gas heats up on the black sides
of the vanes, pushing it forward.  The light sides do not radiate much
heat, so the gas is cooler.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:07 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ken Meinken)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Feedback on MFJ HF tu
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:02:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Distribution: world
References: <[e-mail]> <4olsol$[e-mail]> <4p08

MC>From: [e-mail] (Mike Capone)
MC>Subject: Re: Feedback on MFJ HF tuners please.
MC>
MC>On 5 Jun 1996 15:52:18 GMT, [e-mail] (Jeff Kilgore)
MC>
MC>:In article <4p088q$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jay Kolin
MC>:|> In article <4olsol$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
MC>erald Phillips) says:
MC>:|> >
MC>:|> >I am thinking about buying an MFJ HF tuner (specifically the 300w
MC>:|> >with dummy load, etc.)  Looking on some feedback about them and a
MC>:|> >expereiences (good or bad) folks have had.  Also reccomendations
MC>:|> >other tuners is fine also.  Thanks.
MC>:|> >
MC>:|> >KE4MBD
MC>:|> >Gerald
MC>:
MC>:IMHO, everything made by MFJ that I have ever seen is junk. Poor
MC>:quality components, shoddy assembly, and non-existent quality
MC>:control. It might seem like a good deal, but it's actually kind
MC>:of expensive for junk. Spend a bit more and get something decent.
MC>:
MC>:73,
MC>:Jeff, KC1MK
MC>
MC>
MC>Most of it is Junk- hence the name- MFJ:
MC>Mighty Fine Junk
MC>
MC>I'd much prefer to spend a little time and make a homebuilt tuner.  If
MC>get MFJ, get the ham handbook out, and a lot of tools, because that MF
MC>is going to need a lot of work.
MC>

Gee, I don't know what YOUR problem is.  I've had a 300 watt MFJ tuner for
five years and it hasn't given me a single problem.  Nice compact little
box.  Great meter.

Oh yes, I've built many, many, many tuners over the past 30+ years
including some with solid silver wire roller inductors (yes kids, the
army actually used solid silver wire in WWII).  Some were probably a bit
more efficient than the MFJ, but none provided such all band coverage with
so much ease.

And I've had other MFJ products over the years, such as three TNCs (no,
not replacements, they were used for a 3 frequency BBS, without problems).

Oh their products might not be perfect, but then I don't think any
manufacturer's products are perfect and at least MFJ is more reasonably
priced.  (I never could afford that Johnson Matchbox I always wanted <g>).

73,
Ken WA8JXM

---
 * WinQwk 2.0 a#0 * Unregistered Evaluation Copy


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:09 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gary Hosler - KN0Z)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: CW cannot not die...
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:35:36 GMT
Message-ID: <4qp17p$[e-mail]>
References: <4qmdbp$[e-mail]> <4qmtsa$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Madjid VE2GMI <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Cecil Moore wrote:
>>
>> Maccabeus <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> : CW has a major advantage over phone.   It can get thru where voice can
>> : not. ESPECIALLY for emergency communications.
>>
>> Hi Phillip, maybe you could share this extremely enlightened knowledge
>> with the military who would love to have a mode with those characteristics.

>If the military are dumb, does mean we have to be. As for the truth of
>that, I hear that elite units are still using CW as the most reliable
>comms and that many units are REINTRODUCING CW training. :):)

>If you saw that movie on the guys who crashed in ALERT North Pole you
>saw that they had to ressort to CW type communication to talk to the
>search party because their battery was frozen (That was not fiction).

>-----------------------------------------------------------
>Madjid BOUKRI, VE2GMI     Internet: [e-mail]

The bottom line is that the military has VERY deep pockets that allow
them to use the latest in technology,......on BOTH ends of the QSO.
As Hams we have the Fella with a IC-775, computer, three or four
towers with monobanders, talking with a another Ham with a homebrew
rig who's VFO swings with the varying line voltage in his country
(listen to Cuba lately?).  To compare the ARS with the Coast Guard or
any other form of the military is comparing apples and oranges.  I
guess since Cecil got his Vanity call he lost his sense of humor.

                        73 de KN0Z  Gary in Wyoming, MN

Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of my employe
r.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:10 1996
From: Jose Miguel Fonte <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NPDXG Bulletin #20
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:06:29 +0100
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

On Sun, 23 Jun 1996, Jeffrey Herman wrote:

> Hello Jose! There is now a DX newsgroup called
> rec.radio.amateur.dx
>
> Could you please include that newsgroup in any future bulletins
> you post?
>
        Hi Jeffrey ,
        I voted to the rec.radio.amateur.dx newsgroup but I think we have
        problems with the newsgroup server !!! I cannot find it ...
        The loca admnistrator changed the UNIX OS version and now he is
        reconfiguring it , maybe thats the problem ...
        When I have the chance to subscribe it I will put it there , Hi :-)

> Thank you so much!
>
> 73 from Hawaii,
> Jeff KH2PZ / KH6
>


        73s & DX ,

                                Miguel (CT1ENQ)
--
[e-mail]
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:11 1996
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Fechner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: camera infos needed...
Date: 25 Jun 1996 16:22:27 GMT
Message-ID: <4qp3o3$[e-mail]>

hi,

I am searching for any description of the following camera model:

        - color CCD-Camera Modul
        - manufactured by AT&T
        - ID: Video Camera  PV Camera 200-NTSC /201 PAL

this model can be pluged to a computer-card. therfor there is a conector
with about 8 (i don't know it now) pins.
an other conector is for the vidoe output and the power surply.
it works all fine, execpt if there is to many light.
i think, as it is a computer camera, there must be an option to regulate the
chip or something in this way.

this info is needed for atv-tx-experiments...

any help is welcome, also the description of the other pins at the 2
conectors.


thanks for answering ;-)

ps: please send any infos as a PM to
    [e-mail]
    not to the newsgroup because it is normaly no ony of my favourit ones....

 +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
 !Torsten Fechner, Amateur-Radio:DG7RO  Mybbs:DB0ABH.#BAY.DEU.EU          !
 !  Novell-Administration Rechenzentrum Erlangen   Tel:[phone]   !
 !  Freeware/Virus-Betreuung                       Fax:[phone] !
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:12 1996
From: "C. Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A New License Class
Date: 25 Jun 1996 16:39:20 GMT
Message-ID: <4qp4no$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4qhq6g$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

It appears, however it is unconfirmed that...
>Ken Kuzenski <[e-mail]> writes:

>> I'm advocating the end of ground school and flight training for private
>> pilots....this way a lot more people will fly airplanes.

This has got to be one of the most lame-brained comments I have seen
posted here in a while.

Flight training has nothing to do with ham radio.  Trying to compare ham
radio testing requirements to flight training requirements is not even an
"apples and oranges" analogy - It's more like "apples and rocks".

Get a grip, folks!



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:12 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: Bakersfield,ca HAMFEST
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4po427$[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:45:14 GMT

ROBERT GERNER JR. ([e-mail]) wrote:
:                The Bakersfield Amateur Radio Association proudly
: presents the THIRD annual   HAMFEST held at Costerisan Lake just south
: of Bakersfield, ca. OCTOBER 10-13 1996  , RV parking up to 1000 no
: hookups, $10.00 all 3 nights, Many dealers and Manufactures, including
: ICOM. Even booths for the entire family.  THE GRAND PRIZE IS THE
: ICOM-706 2-6-HF   More info e-mail or call me Rob KB6JFL   805-588-7065
: FREE SWAP MEET  Bring own tables.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:13 1996
From: "Thor Wiegman" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: CW cannot not die...
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:10:50 -0700
Message-ID: <01bb6315.da722f80$[e-mail]>
References: <4qmdbp$[e-mail]> <4qmtsa$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qnfvp$[e-mail]>

> : ... I hear that elite units are still using CW as the most reliable
> : comms and that many units are REINTRODUCING CW training. :):)
>
> I hear it's a last resort in case of a life-and-death situation unlikely
> to occur except during combat. Last I heard, hams weren't in combat
except on
> internet.

Hahahahaha....close your eyes and imagine the army drafting hams for
communications because they need people who know CW.  Huffing and puffing
thru the jungle would be these overweight, balding, 50 year olds with
manpacks.  Oh boy!  I can't type any more, I'm laughing too hard!



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:15 1996
From: Robert Ramirez <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.swap,rec.audio.marketplace,rec.audio.tubes,rec.antiques.radio+phono
Subject: F.S.TUBES
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:44:20 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I have the following used tubes for sale for best offer:
    808..............8pcs.
    803..............3pcs.
    7094.............1pcs.
    4D32.............1pcs.
    4B31.............2pcs.
    811A.............1pcs.
    801A.............1pcs.
    100TH............1pcs.


                     Will sell one or all,

                           Thanks,


                           Robert Ramirez


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:15 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARLB043 Correction to ARLB042
Date: 25 Jun 1996 23:56:57 -0400
Message-ID: <$[e-mail]>


SB QST @ ARL $ARLB043
ARLB043 Correction to ARLB042

ZCZC AG23
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 43  ARLB043
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  June 26, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB043
ARLB043 Correction to ARLB042

Some data for Puerto Rico was inadvertently left off ARLB042 FCC
call sign update.  The missing data follows:

                         Group B        Group C
                         Advanced       Tech/Gen

Puerto Rico              KP3AA          NP3BP
NNNN
/EX


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:16 1996
From: [e-mail] (K1oik)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Fisher Thread
Date: 26 Jun 1996 00:09:24 -0400
Message-ID: <4qqd5k$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (K1oik)


>Actually, this is usenet. While more and more of usenet traffic is
>being carried over the internet, a good bit of it still travels by
>uucp (as all of it did only a few years ago), and a good bit of it
>is handled by email list distributions, it is not the internet, and
>it certainly isn't the web. Usenet is a cooperative of usenet sites,
>similar in concept to other bbs systems with distribution links.
>Today, many of those sites do their linking via internet services,
>but that definitely doesn't make usenet and internet synonyms.

Come on, Gary.  If you knew anything about the internet you wouldn't make
such a stupid statement.  Just your typical no-coder.

Burt

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|   K1OIK        |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:18 1996
From: [e-mail] (Raymond Sarrio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Letter writing material and e-mail links to FCC/State Dept!!
Date: 26 Jun 1996 04:09:51 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

To help hams with the letter writing campaign recommended by the ARRL.

I have taken the liberty to write down some information that anyone can
use in their FCC letter opposing any realocation of the 2 meter or 70 cm
bands. The material is available at my web site. The information is
provided to help those of you (including myself) who at times have some
difficulty getting throughts down on paper. Feel free to use what you
like, and if you would like to add some additional letter writing copy,
just e-mail it to me and I will add it to the web page.

I have also established e-mail links to allthe FCC commissioners that are
listed as the critical decision makers on this issue by the ARRL.

 My URL is http://www.sarrio.com 73's, Ray WB6SIV
--
The Raymond Sarrio Co. a full feature Ham Radio Storefront and web site develo
per. Located at http://www.sarrio.com.

In association with Brillar Enterprises http://win-win.com/brillar provider of
 discount CD-Roms!



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:19 1996
From: Boyd N6DMF <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WTB "Kenwood AT-130"
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:44:13 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

--------------422F463326BD
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi,
    I am looking for a Kenwood AT-130 Antenna Tunner for my
    Kenwood TS-130.

    If you have one please let me know the price and your
    Phone No.

     Thanks,

     Phone:  [phone]

--------------422F463326BD
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="Name.txt"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Name.txt"


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    .-.                             /   \             .-.                 /
   /   \               .-.         /     \           /   \               /
  /     \             /   \       /       \         /     \             /
 /  73,  Boyd *  N6DMF  *  \  [e-mail]    /  *    McKinleyville, Ca.
          \         /       \   /           \     /         \         /
           \       /         `-'             \   /           \       /
            \     /               \\||//      `-'             \     /
             \   /                 0  0                        \   /
              `-'          --ooo----()----ooo--                 `-'


--------------422F463326BD--



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:20 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kids _are_ interested in ham radio.
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:52:00 GMT
Message-ID: <4qr86i$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

KD1YV <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I can't remember who stated that kids weren't interested in ham radio
>anymore, but for the moment, let's ignore the subsequent flame-war.

>To prove that they are, please see the following web-page, from the
>Danbury (CT) News-Times.


>   http://www.newstimes.com/archive/jun1896/nec.htm

>73 de Jim, KD1YV

Hey Jim, my web browser keeps locking up my computer.
Could you explain it to us please ?

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:21 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kenwood 732A mod question
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:52:57 GMT
Message-ID: <4qr88b$[e-mail]>
References: <01bb630d.e1e92be0$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

"John Smith" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I received a mod for the Kenwood 732A that describes the 800MHz
>receive option. It states to solder a capacitor next to pin 1 on the foil
>side next to IC202. It does not say where the pad is and where the
>other end of the capacitor is to be attached? Anyone out there
>who has performed this mod and verifies it to work ?
>Please respond with where the other end of the cap is to be attached.

Ground.





From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:22 1996
From: "Valery Filin" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Radioheart
Date: 26 Jun 1996 11:13:32 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: "Valery V.Filin/Visotckogo 12 fl.24/Odessa/270025/Ukraine" <[e-mail]>

Hello!

Greetings for everybody who lives in this big and various World.
Greetings for all who likes music or radio.
I am writing my message from Odessa.
It's interesting town, intercity near Black Sea
and here i'm making the tiny musical radiostation.
Even a small station begin to live when she has a pulsing heart.
Yeah, it's a transmitter.
Step by step i save up means for the transmitter.
Anyway i need your help.
You can write me a letter:

  Valery V. Filin
  Visotckogo str. 12, fl.24
  Odessa, 270025
  Ukraine

I'll glad to read your advices, opinions and simply good words.
Peoples who want help me are interesting for myself.
Maybe you have a records which must be on a radio.
Please, send your ideas.
And at last you can support me by small sum:

  Commerzbank AG, Frankfurt/Main acc.no.4008869901USD
  in favour of Imexbank, Odessa in favour of
  Valery Victorovich Filin acc.no.001139619.44

Or the way trough the american bank:

  The Bank Of New York, N.Y. acc.no.890-0054-808 in favour of
  Dialogbank in favour of Imexbank acc.no.02000090088 in favour of
  Valery Victorovich Filin acc.no.001139619.44

Thank you.
Warmest regards,
                                        Valery


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:24 1996
From: Madjid <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Growth Rate is UP not down!
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:37:26 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Patrick Tatro wrote:
> Correct me if I am wrong BUT .....
>
>    Who said continued growth is a good thing?
> Sixty years ago the joy of the hobby was for two
> operators to make contact with rigs they built and
> antenna's they designed.
>
>    These days the bands are crowded with Ham
> want-to-be's, DJ want-to-be's and people who
> wouldn't know good manners if they jumped up
> and bit them.
>
>    I for one say its time for this hobby to
> down-size. Maybe those people who get their
> license and then spend all their time bad
> mouthing the hobby will find new things to bad
> mouth (like net surfing). The true joy of amateur
> radio will always be there no matter how much it's
> bad mouthed.
>
> Nuf Said
> Pat N0WCG

This whole growth think is plain BALOONEY. As an example in the
Canadian RAC magazine, the editors continuously complain about
the hobby going to die because no new hams, CW being a problem
etc etc...

In the March 96 issue of RAC there was a chart titled
HAM LICENCES PASS 46,000 mark (in Canada).

In 69/70 it was <12500
in 75/76 it was  15346
in 86/87         23063
now              46055

As you can see the number DOUBLED in 10 years. The growth rate is even
higher in the 90/96 range and if continues like that will TRIPLE or
QUADRUPLE by year 2006.

Who are these people trying to fool?

--
Madjid, VE2GMI


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:25 1996
From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I can't even give it away.
Date: 26 Jun 1996 13:53:04 GMT
Message-ID: <4qrfc0$[e-mail]>
References: <4q7dct$[e-mail]> <4qbibl$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qgvr9$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qm24r$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qr7gc$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)


Jim Kehler ([e-mail]) writes:
> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>Oh, then you are a typical ham.
>
> Thanks, Burt. I think so. But Gary doesn't. If you think so, I guess
> that makes the vote 2 to 1 so far. We'll have to wait until some more
> votes come in and see what the results are.
>
> 73, Jim KH2D
>
>
I don't think you are either, Jim.  I guess that makes the vote 2 to 2.


--
    Talk with you soon ...
                      Frank Sved
                             Amateur: VE3GID
                               Email: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:26 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: VHF Operation Question...
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <4qovb6$[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:55:42 GMT

In article <4qovb6$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Eric Summers) writes:
>
>This question is more for clarification than lack of knowledge,
>
>I have a Radio Shack HTX-202 2M FM transceiver, can I communicate with
>someone who is using a non-FM transceiver? I would think that he could
>receive me fine, but would sound garbled on my end.

Yeah, he can slope detect you, but your receiver won't make much out
of his signal.

>The reason I ask is that I want to get into VHF non-repeater contacts,
>particularly DX. I have called CQ on the national calling frequency
>(144.200) a few times, but the responses have been garbled.

That's the national *SSB* calling frequency. Avoid using FM below
144.3 MHz. You'll annoy a lot of people with your wide signal down
there. 146.52 MHz is where you want to call using FM.

>Is there much activity as far as FM non-repeater communications go?
>Once I get this antenna up, will I have any trouble making contacts on
>the simplex range of the band?

That depends on your area. In some places there is a lot, in others
it is an echoing emptiness. With a good antenna, 5 watts can go a
long way. For example, you can work MIR on 145.55 MHz, and that's
about 400 km (straight up).

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:27 1996
From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Why are we here ? (Was Something Else, no longer appropriate)
Date: 26 Jun 1996 14:04:42 GMT
Message-ID: <4qrg1q$[e-mail]>
References: <4qc569$[e-mail]> <4qdvd0$[e-mail]> <4qec90$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qeklr$[e-mail]> <4qhfho$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qm24v$[e-mail]> <4qme1v$[e-mail]> <4qorer$[e-mail]> <4qou0u$[e-mail]> <4qr7gh$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)


 But make it to Micronesian English standards,
> not Canadian English standards, we don't speak the Queens
> English over here....

Actually, I don't either.  I speak the King's French.  I have nothing to
do with England other than the fact that I learned English from people like
you, who didn'twant to fight the British, came over and settled along the
St Lawrence. Honestly Jim, when you believe in something you should fight
for it and not cower away.  But it is nice to see that after the war of
Independence, your family was allowed back.


--
    Talk with you soon ...
                      Frank Sved
                             Amateur: VE3GID
                               Email: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:29 1996
From: [e-mail] (Skid Schermerhorn, W1TTY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How long 'til I get my ticket!?
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:07:26 GMT
Message-ID: <4qrga6$[e-mail]>
References: <01bb6023.b573af00$115c09ce@cdavis>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Chris Davis <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I'm taking my Tech+ exam on Tuesday night (the written test will be a
>breeze, not so sure about code, tho.)  A few of my friends said it took
>around 8 weeks to get their ticket.  I've read that you can now start
>using your privileges as soon as you find your call sign (on the
>Internet).  Does anyone know about how long that takes?  Thanks.

>Impatiently,
>Chris
>--
><><--------------------------------------------------------------<><
>                          Chris Davis
>                     [e-mail]
>                        Asst. Engineer
>                  KJLY - Christian Radio
>                       Blue Earth, MN
><><--------------------------------------------------------------<><

Chris,  If your VE team sends in the results by E-mail,  your call can
well be issued in about a week.   Just last week as I was watch ing
for my wife's vanity call to com through, I noticed a call which I
then heard on the local repeater.  I congratulated the gentleman on
his new call but he had it for a couple of months but said he had
upgraded "last Saturday" and his info apperaed in the FCC files on
FRI.ZIP.   On a vanity call where the application was sent on May
30th, the license was dated June 6th.  Can't ask for much better than
that!   Yeah, FCC!


Skid Schermerhorn - W1TTY   http://www.control.com/~skid/skid
East Sandwich               http://www.control.com/~skid/church
Massachusetts  02537        http://www.control.com/~skid/bookmark




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:30 1996
From: Madjid <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: MACINTOSH, Packet and SSTV !
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:08:18 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4qn0rh$[e-mail]>

Francois BONNET wrote:
>
>         One or two months ago, I posted a similar message, but after an
> enormous error, I loose all the answers I received !
> I want to use my apple powerbook 5300 for my ham activity:
>
> - Is there any softwares for SSTV and hamcomm on Mac systems ?
>
> - Same question for mac and Packet radio, may be with baycom, or with a
> real TNC ?
>
> Thank you for your help
>
> 73 de Francois   F1ITT
> --
> Francois Bonnet   <F1ITT>   [e-mail]     Lyon
> Attention ! Dieu est une hypothese, consommez avec moderation

Wrong computer! :)

Vous devriez regarder
 http://oak.oakland.edu:8080/pub/hamradio/mac/

Je ne sais pas ce qu'il y a la dedans n'etant pas un Mac user.

73 et Bonne peche Hi
--
Madjid, VE2GMI     Internet: [e-mail]
Antenna simulation program NEC4WIN :
http://www.coast.net/SimTel/SimTel/win3/hamradio/nec4w15.zip


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:31 1996
From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Jim Can't Give it Away either.
Date: 26 Jun 1996 14:55:59 GMT
Message-ID: <4qrj1v$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)


Every wonder why these people can't give it (opinions) away?  Is it maybe
because it isn't worth anything?

Actually, you're right Jim.  I shouldn't be a "spell checker" I should be a
tripe checker, I'd get more business from your postings.  Seems there's
more tripe than typos.

And now onto "face up" issues,  Your use of "to" was used correctly.
  So that should make you happy.


--
    Talk with you soon ...
                      Frank Sved
                             Amateur: VE3GID
                               Email: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:32 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: Bob Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Q] Need Morse Code Learning Tips
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:50:59 -0400
References: <[e-mail]>
To: Dave Sparks <[e-mail]>

Dave Sparks wrote:
>
> I'm currently a "no-code tech" looking to upgrade, hopefully to
> extra.  Since I've studied electronics in college for my BSEE,
> learning Morse code will be my biggest obstacle.
>
> I've got Morse Tutor on my PC and have started to learn CW today.
> I'm a little confused about what's the best speed to start at.  I'm
> told that, using the "Farnsworth method", the character rate should
> be be set at 18 WPM for speeds below 20 WPM, and at 26 WPM for
> speeds above 20 WPM.  Since my final goal is 20 WPM, should I just
> set the character speed at 20 to begin with?  Or should I start out
> with it at 18 and raise it later?  I just started today with the
> character speed set to 20 and the send speed to 5, and I've been
> copying my first group of characters just fine.  However, I'm not
> sure how that will work out when I add more characters each day.
>
> I haven't registered Morse Tutor yet, and I have Super Morse
> available that I could use instead, if it has any advantages over
> Morse Tutor.
>
> I'd appreciate any comments or opinions on the subject.  Thanks. 73.
>
> ---
> Dave Sparks -- [e-mail]

I'd start with 20 wpm.  The idea is to make the character formation fast
enough that you are forced to learn the "musical" sound of the
characters an NOT count dits and dahs.



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:33 1996
From: [e-mail](Jim Lowman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hams on Keesler AFB?
Date: 26 Jun 1996 15:59:28 GMT
Message-ID: <4qrmp0$[e-mail]>
References: <4q4hl6$[e-mail]> <4qrgn3$[e-mail]>

>[e-mail] (John N0ISL) wrote:
>
>>I'm looking for someone who can get information on the ham activity
on
>>Keesler. I'd like to put Ship Island on the air (Its a good IOTA
island
>>and fairly rare now). Does KAFB still have access to ship Island, and
can
>>a civilian get access? If you have any info, or are interested in
being
>>part of a mini-DX-oedition let me know..

I wasn't aware that Keesler AFB had anything to do with Ship Island.
When we were there in 1970-71, there was a commercial ship that made
the voyage.  I remember the place well.  My wife and late sister-in-law
got sunburned quite badly.

Oh, well...times change.

73 de Jim - KF6CR



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:34 1996
From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Re: HT Inventor on Talk Show
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:14:33 GMT
Message-ID: <4qrnke$[e-mail]>
References: <4qmd1l$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:

>Len Winkler <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Al Gross, W8PAL, will be the special guest this Sunday, 6/30/96, on
>>the Ham Radio & More Show. Mr. Gross invented the first hand held,

>One of the first handhelds was the BC-611 used by the military during
>WWII. It used 5 miniature 7-pin tubes. It operated around 2-4 Mc.
Check and you'll find out that Gross Electronics in Ohio was producing
for the OSS, a covert operation in Germany, a very secret HT that was
used in the planes and on the ground. Joan/Eleanor code name, with
unusual antennas.

>>the 1st beeper

>Selective-calling (i.e., paging) was being used at least as early as the
>50s. I've got a couple Motorola tone encoders from that era given to me
>by the Los Angeles Fire County Fire Dept. They each have 14 tubes.
Al was there before and yes, Al and Motorola did some work together.
By all means, Jeff, call in and ask Al on Sunday. I'll have him for 2
full hours.
>Jeff KH2PZ (former Orange County fireman)


Len Winkler, KB7LPW                        [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                                         [e-mail]
Phoenix, AZ. 85068-9219

Ham Radio & More Show (host); info at:
http://www.barc.org/barc/ham-more.html  (Home Page) (Thanks BARC)
http://www.tapr.org/hrm  (RealAudio site to hear past shows) (Thanks TAPR)

The Ham Radio & More Show airs LIVE each Sunday at 6:00pm ET,
(2200utc), on many local commercial stations throughout the country.
ALSO: LIVE on WWCR Shortwave, 7.435mhz and 12.160mhz, 100,000 watts.(Thanks WW
CR)
ALSO: LIVE on RealAudio at: http://ww2.audionet.com/pub/kbnp/kbnp.htm (Thanks
KBNP)

Also available tape delayed via WWCR Shortwave on Mondays, at 0900utc on 7.435
mhz; Saturdays, at 1600utc on 12.160mhz; and on Sundays, at 0400utc on 5.065mh
z.

Support "WOG", the Written Only General!



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:35 1996
From: [e-mail](Jim Lowman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VHF Operation Question...
Date: 26 Jun 1996 16:20:55 GMT
Message-ID: <4qro17$[e-mail]>
References: <4qovb6$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary
Coffman) writes:
<snip>
>That's the national *SSB* calling frequency. Avoid using FM below
>144.3 MHz. You'll annoy a lot of people with your wide signal down
>there. 146.52 MHz is where you want to call using FM.
>
>>Is there much activity as far as FM non-repeater communications go?
>>Once I get this antenna up, will I have any trouble making contacts
on
>>the simplex range of the band?
>
>That depends on your area. In some places there is a lot, in others
>it is an echoing emptiness. With a good antenna, 5 watts can go a
>long way. For example, you can work MIR on 145.55 MHz, and that's
>about 400 km (straight up).

While we're on the subject of VHF opeations...

For the first time that anyone can recall, our club had a 6/2m station
on the air for FD.  I set up my Icom IC-706 and Cubex 6m and 2m quads
so that my wife, a new ham this FD, could try it under contest
conditions.

While relieving her a couple of times, I noticed that the activity on
6m seemed to be centered around 50.125-50.140 MHz.  There were SSB
signals on top of each other, even though the SSB portion of 6m is 500
kHz wide.  Any particular reason for this?

Bottom line, other than that, is that this station attracted a lot of
attention.  Lots of questions when other members saw the quads.  Plus,
my wife and a couple of high-school guys worked quite a few contacts on
the two bands.  I have been trying to promote VHF/UHF weak-signal work
at the club, to show the Tech-class licensees that there's more to
their allocated frequencies than packet or repeaters.

We plan to be on for the September ARRL VHF contest, and I just noticed
that CQ Magazine is promoting a VHF contest next month.  Hope to work
some of you from here in metro LA.

73 de Jim - KF6CR



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:37 1996
From: "C. Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A New License Class
Date: 26 Jun 1996 16:21:24 GMT
Message-ID: <4qro24$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4qhq6g$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qp4no$[e-mail]> <4qp7rq$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Mark Taurence) wrote:
>If you're going to create a no code class, name it something other than
>technician.  I'm a technician plus, and i'm tired of having to add "plus"
>or "with HF" to my class to state my rank.  Also my ticket became 2
>classes lower with this addition.  I have to have my csc for my 5-wpm
>test along with my station and operating liscenses to prove myself worthy
>of 10,15,40, and 80 meters.

Rank huh?  Hahaha....  How about if all amateurs wear a certain number of
bars on their shirt collar indicateing operator class? ..... Oh better
yet - an insignia on their callsign baseball cap!  Don't forget to
salute!  ;)  Bwhahahaha!

"CQ, what?!...you no-code plebe."

"CQ....SIR!"

"That's better..."



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:38 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ken Kuzenski)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Feedback on MFJ HF tu
Date: 26 Jun 1996 16:26:14 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4qrob6$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4olsol$[e-mail]> <4p08 <[e-mail]>

Ken Meinken ([e-mail]) wrote:
: MC>:|> >I am thinking about buying an MFJ HF tuner (specifically the 300w
: MC>:
: MC>:IMHO, everything made by MFJ that I have ever seen is junk. Poor
: MC>Most of it is Junk- hence the name- MFJ:
: MC>Mighty Fine Junk

: Gee, I don't know what YOUR problem is.  I've had a 300 watt MFJ tuner for
: five years and it hasn't given me a single problem.  Nice compact little
: box.  Great meter.

My MFJ tuner was surprisingly inexpensive, works fine, and has
never given me any problems.  But flaming MFJ seems to be REAL
popular on the virtual bands, for some reason.
        73 ...
                --Ken
 _______________________________________________
 Ken Kuzenski    AC4RD   [e-mail]
 [e-mail]   Fidonet: 1:3641/1.1
 _______________________________________________
All disclaimers apply; this is just MHO, not Duke's



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:38 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hams on Keesler AFB?
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:16:06 GMT
Message-ID: <4qrgn3$[e-mail]>
References: <4q4hl6$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (John N0ISL) wrote:

>I'm looking for someone who can get information on the ham activity on
>Keesler. I'd like to put Ship Island on the air (Its a good IOTA island
>and fairly rare now). Does KAFB still have access to ship Island, and can
>a civilian get access? If you have any info, or are interested in being
>part of a mini-DX-oedition let me know..

I guess they're not on the net John.  I've been waiting to see someone
come up.  Never heard about any Ship Island operations, that would be
something.

FLASH!  I did work K5TYP a couple of times during Field Day.  So, they
are still alive and well as the Keesler Amateur Radio Activity.

73 fer now...

Former President of Keesler ARC, K5TYP, 1983-1985
===========================================
cheers! jim martin, wk1v
lowell, mass
http://www.shore.net/~jjmartin/jjm.htm



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:40 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: I can't even give it away.
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:19:52 GMT
Message-ID: <4qrgu6$[e-mail]>
References: <4pk9ap$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q7dct$[e-mail]> <4qbibl$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qgvr9$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qlqfh$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>No no no, you got it all wrong I said I was the Atypical ham.
>The typical ham is what you describe.

Aytpical is a synonym or abnormal which is a synonym for deviant.  All
are typical of the behavior of K1OINK.
===========================================
cheers! jim martin, wk1v
lowell, mass
http://www.shore.net/~jjmartin/jjm.htm



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:41 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: CW
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4qd6a9$[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 22:17:32 GMT

Bill Newkirk <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Norm <[e-mail]> writes:

>>Has anybody listened to CB Channels?   Is that what we want Amateur Radio

><yawn> same old same old again. CB is the way it is for a number of reasons,
>the lack of a code test not really being relevant. after all, there are lots
>of services now with users that didn't pass a code test or even a test of any

>kind and they seem to get along operating radios just fine.

Hi Bill, Let's talk about those other services that don't require a code test.
They include the military, aeronautical, maritime, and commercial folks. Do
we want to be like any of them? If so, we'll lose our privilege of being
frequency-agile and band-agile, lose our privilege of building/modifying
our own gear, lose our privilege of using non-type accepted equipment,
lose our privilege of rag chewing, lose our privilege to choose any of a
dozen modes, lose our privilege to play in the contests, lose our privilege
to work DX for fun, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Still yawning? I always wonder why you anti-code test folks like to compare
the ARS to other services. We are very unique.

Jeff KH2PZ / KH6


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:42 1996
From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: De-sense query
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:13:14 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Hello all.

I have a a 50watt VHF rig, and a 40watt UHF rig both feed into a Diamond 500xn
a
about 55 feet up running packet.

I also have an 5watt HT on a 1/4 wave about 5 feet below, and 10 feet away fro
m
the Diamond, also running packet.

The big rigs are on 144.930 MHz and 443.725 MHz, and the HT is on 145.790 MHz.

My question is this...the HT de-senses (of course) when the big VHF keys up,
which I can live with, BUT, I dont want to damage the front end of the
HT...does anybody think it will be damaged, or otherwise have any comments or
suggestions?

Thanks much, & take care.


Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:43 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.dx,aus.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: News tidbit regarding KH1, KH3, KH4, and KH5 areas
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 02:48:37 GMT

WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. Senator Daniel Akaka wants the federal government
to give the state of Hawaii jurisdiction over seven U.S. possessions in
the Pacific region.
   Akaka's "Insular Areas Consolidation Act of 1996" would transfer
jurisdiction over Baker Island (KH1), Jarvis Island (KH5), Howland
Island (KH1), Johnston Atoll (KH3), Kingman Reef (KH5K), Midway
Island (KH4), and Palmyra Atoll (KH5) to Hawaii (KH6).
   The bill was prompted by the revelation that the new owners of
Palmyra Atoll - KVR Inc. of New York - want to create a nuclear
waste storage facility there. The Hawaii congressional delegation
and state officials oppose the proposal.
   "My legislation will give the state of Hawaii a stronger voice
in the fate of U.S. possessions in the Pacific that currently are not
part of any state or territory," Akaka said.
   Similar legislation was introduced in the House last year.

<remainder of article deleted>

I wonder if these will still be seperate DXCC "countries" if the
consolidation act passes Congress? If the act does pass, they'll
all belong to Hawaii, thus they might all be designated as just KH6.

Jeff KH2PZ / KH6


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:44 1996
From: [e-mail] (crzinck)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Flea markets
Date: 27 Jun 1996 03:21:28 GMT
Message-ID: <4qsuno$[e-mail]>

If any one has a listing of ham/electronic flea markets in the New
England area for July, Aug and Sept., I would very much appreciate a copy
of it via e-Mail.

Thanks

Rgds.....Bob



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:45 1996
From: [e-mail] (The Tie-Dyed Side of the Force)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: CW can not die...
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 05:58:54 GMT
Message-ID: <4qt7ti$[e-mail]>
References: <4qmdbp$[e-mail]> <4qmtsa$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qqoag$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

>You also have to be a pretty proficient typist to type 30 wpm, and most
>experienced morse code ops do that with ease, not counting retries, and
>errors. On the average, morse code is actually more efficient than
>keyboarding.

I can send CW at about 15 wpm
(though I rarely do, since my receiving speed is less than half that).
I can type at about 75 wpm.



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:46 1996
From: [e-mail] (Petrus van der Merwe)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help needed with telephone patch
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:29:54 GMT
Message-ID: <4qtkti$[e-mail]>

I'm posting this message for a friend.  If anybody can be of
assistance, could you please send a copy of your reply to my e-mail
address as well (as I don't normally monitor this newsgroup).

MESSAGE:

I have an SG2000 HF transceiver as a base station to which I have
connected an SGC Tel-two telephone patch.  The patch is manual, thus
requiring an operator to be present.

I would like to automate this system such that I can use it whilst I
am mobile on HF in remote locations.  I thus need to be able to pick
up the phone, dial a number, switch the patch on and off and put the
phone down from my mobile HF station.  Can anyone give me an idea of
how to do this??

Brendan

END MESSAGE

Thanks in advance

---------------------------------------------------------------
Petrus J. van der Merwe                Tel: [phone]
P.O. Box 1429                       e-mail: [e-mail]
Swakopmund
Republic of Namibia (Africa)



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:47 1996
From: [e-mail] (Clark Savage Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: TS440vsTS450
Date: 27 Jun 1996 09:44:39 -0700
Message-ID: <4qudpn$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4qu3pc$[e-mail]>

In <4qu3pc$[e-mail]> Carl Morgan <[e-mail]> writes:

>Harry Synovetz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Other than the output power, whats the big difference between these 2 rigs.
I
>>see both offered for sale(used) all the time; is there a problem with either
.
>>The used prices posted on the net and at hamfests are real giveaways.

>I cannot speak much about the `450 .... but the TS-440S is a
>super rig.  I've had one for about five years and had no problems

Echo the above comments.  I own a 440 for the last 3 years, and have
a 690 (a 450 with 6 meters) at our club station on campus.  Both
very good basic radios.  450 has a few advantages with new features,
but nothing real significant (switching CW sideband on receive is
pretty neat on the 450).  Filter selection is simpler with the 450,
but roughly the same overall.

My 440 does not lack sensitivity at all....maybe the writer needs
an alignment for his.  Not hard to do.  I put three IRCI filters
in mine (a pair for SSB and one for CW) and my 440 stacks up
very well against the FT 1000, the TS 940, the TS 850 and the Ten
Tec OMNI VI.  It hears as well as any of them on a clean band.
When heavy QRM appears very close by, I think my OMNI outhears
any of them, but it is not a big difference most of the time.

I heartily recommend the 440, especially if you can find one with
later serial number for, say, under $700.

Clark
WA3JPG


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:48 1996
From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: HELP: wiring harnes for GE phoenix
Date: 27 Jun 1996 13:07:51 GMT
Message-ID: <4qu137$[e-mail]>

Does anybody know the pin outputs for the 2 multi pin jack in the back of
the ge phoenix sx mobile radios?



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:49 1996
From: Carl Morgan <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: TS440vsTS450
Date: 27 Jun 1996 13:53:48 GMT
Message-ID: <4qu3pc$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Harry Synovetz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Other than the output power, whats the big difference between these 2 rigs. I
>see both offered for sale(used) all the time; is there a problem with either.
>The used prices posted on the net and at hamfests are real giveaways.
>
>73 de KA9YZB


I cannot speak much about the `450 .... but the TS-440S is a
super rig.  I've had one for about five years and had no problems
or disappointments with it.  It began as a fixed station, has
seen some use portable, and is now a mobile.

Output power is a little over 100W (PEP) on all modes.  Reports
received on CW, SSB, and FM (don't use AM) have all been good
(not necessarity signal strength but quality of the signal).  RX
sensitivity could be better but it's not bad enought that I'd
consider adding a preamp.  Noise blanker works great!  Antenna
tuner, although not the most efficient, is accurate and asy to
use.  Yup, I like it .... and wouldn't even consider selling mine
at the "bargin-basement" prices I've seen.

I have a `850 in the house.  Presuming it's much like the `450
but with a few more "goodies", the latter should be a good rig
too.  A little smaller (not much) than the `440 and maybe a
better RX; the TX, though, is rumored to be the same as the `440
with some (A-F) refinements for the digital modes.

I've also had a Yaesu (FT-747) and prefer the TS-440.  Never
owned an Icom HF radio.

Any questions?  Feel free to E-Mail.

    73 <>  Carl
       K8NHE



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:50 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: GPS Receivers
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <4qtnrl$[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:58:49 GMT

In article <4qtnrl$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James DeLoach) wr
ites:
>Which newsgroups carry info on the GPS receivers?
>
>What does anyone think of the ICOM GP-22?  I have noticed that it's price
>has dropped to about $300.  Is this a good buy?

No. Buy a Garmin 45. I have both units, and the GP-22 is not in the
same league, even if it has finally come down to the same price.
Battery life for the GP-22 is poor, it loses track very easily, and
the user interface sucks. The car kit is also outrageously priced,
more than the basic unit. It does speak NMEA, but so does the Garmin.
When it was the only under $1000 GPS receiver, the GP-22 was tolerable,
but you can buy a much better unit for $300 today.

Gary
--
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:51 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
From: [e-mail] (charles copeland)
Subject: Re: CW can not die...
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4qmdbp$[e-mail]> <4qmtsa$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:59:44 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Landis - Systems & Network Mgr <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <4qmtsa$[e-mail]>, Cecil Moore <kg7bk@primenet.
com> writes:
>> Maccabeus <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> : CW has a major advantage over phone.   It can get thru where voice can
>> : not. ESPECIALLY for emergency communications.
>>
>> Hi Phillip, maybe you could share this extremely enlightened knowledge
>> with the military who would love to have a mode with those characteristics.
>>
>> 73, Cecil, W6RCA, OOTC
>
>Some of us choose not to have the machines operate our stations for us. When
>absolute reliability and efficiency with no $ spared is called for (i.e.
>military) we will use it. In the mean time, have fun doing what you like.

Considering your modern radio has several microprocessors, what does it
matter if you have one more running clover?





From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:52 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bob Witte)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Oregon hams bust jammer (PARG)
Date: 27 Jun 1996 14:32:49 GMT
Message-ID: <4qu62h$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4poe1l$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Robby Rust ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Bill wrote:
: >
: >
: geez a little word wraping would us all to read this much better

  And while we're at it, how about some restraint on what
  newsgroups this gets posted to?

  rec.radio.equipment? give me a break




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:53 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ray Cotten)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: lkng 4 class in Indianapolis
Date: 27 Jun 1996 15:50:27 GMT
Message-ID: <4quak3$[e-mail]>

looking for a class or "Elmer" in indy to help me get into ham radio

appreciate any help.

[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:53 1996
From: [e-mail] (Joseph Huddleston)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: I want an Amateur Radio Operator's License
Date: 27 Jun 1996 16:10:12 GMT
Message-ID: <4qubp4$[e-mail]>

I would like to become a licensed radio operator. Where do I begin. I am in th
e Los
Angeles area and would like to take the exams toward the later part of August
1996.
Thanks
JH



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:55 1996
From: [e-mail](JOSEPH A CIRA)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,
Subject: CORRECTION to the latest ham web site list URL !!!
Date: 27 Jun 1996 16:21:27 GMT
Message-ID: <4quce7$[e-mail]>

fellow HAMS
    brain fart ?!?!

    the correct url for the web-ham.list
    is http://www.padl.ac.at/schule/chemie/bob.htm

    look on the page for websites by KB6AXK....
joe,kb6axk

--
*****************************************************************************
U.S.AMATEUR RADIO STATION " KB6AXK "| SYSOP OF HAM*INFO*LINK*SOURCE*BBS
PASADENA,CALIFORNIA 91107           |  at 818-584-1952 any speed 8-N-1
e-mail to [e-mail]      | dedicated to amateur radio !
                ARRL/LAX/ACC        | ARRL MIRROR SITE...........
*****************************************************************************
        researching the CIRA family genealogy
        in TERMINI IMERESE,PALERMO,SICILY,ITALY..........
_____________________________________________________________________________
IUOE/INTERNATIONAL UNION OF OPERATING & MAINTENANCE ENGINEERS LOCAL 501
        HVAC/R,IAQ,SYSTEMS,CONTROLS,AIR BALANCE,PERFORMANCE,PM's,PLUMBING,
        ELECTRICAL,MECH SYSTEMS,EMS/BMS,DDC,CODES,STANDARDS,REGS,QUIDELINES,
        PPE,HAZMAT,IPP,and more .............
        info call HALL 213-385-1561 or SCHOOL at 213-385-2889...........
*****************************************************************************
MY RESUME is on my web site at :) http://www.netcom.com/~kb6axk/resume.html
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:56 1996
From: "joseph a. cira" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Latest WEB-HAM.LIST amateur radio websites for jun/96 ,2405 sites
Date: 27 Jun 1996 16:27:37 GMT
Message-ID: <4qucpp$[e-mail]>
References: <4qmfot$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

hello folks
the correct URL is;



--
*************************************************************************
****
U.S.AMATEUR RADIO STATION " KB6AXK "| SYSOP OF HAM*INFO*LINK*SOURCE*BBS
PASADENA,CALIFORNIA 91107           |  at 818-584-1952 any speed 8-N-1
e-mail to [e-mail]      | dedicated to amateur radio !
                ARRL/LAX/ACC        | ARRL MIRROR SITE...........
*************************************************************************
****
        researching the CIRA family genealogy
        in TERMINI IMERESE,PALERMO,SICILY,ITALY..........
_________________________________________________________________________
____
IUOE/INTERNATIONAL UNION OF OPERATING & MAINTENANCE ENGINEERS LOCAL 501
        HVAC/R,IAQ,SYSTEMS,CONTROLS,AIR
BALANCE,PERFORMANCE,PM's,PLUMBING,
        ELECTRICAL,MECH
SYSTEMS,EMS/BMS,DDC,CODES,STANDARDS,REGS,QUIDELINES,
        PPE,HAZMAT,IPP,and more .............
        info call HALL 213-385-1561 or SCHOOL at 213-385-2889...........
*************************************************************************
****
MY RESUME is on my web site at :)
http://www.netcom.com/~kb6axk/resume.html
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
----




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:57 1996
From: "joseph a. cira" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Latest WEB-HAM.LIST amateur radio websites for jun/96 ,2405 sites
Date: 27 Jun 1996 16:27:39 GMT
Message-ID: <4qucpr$[e-mail]>
References: <4qmfot$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

hello folks
the correct URL is;



--
*************************************************************************
****
U.S.AMATEUR RADIO STATION " KB6AXK "| SYSOP OF HAM*INFO*LINK*SOURCE*BBS
PASADENA,CALIFORNIA 91107           |  at 818-584-1952 any speed 8-N-1
e-mail to [e-mail]      | dedicated to amateur radio !
                ARRL/LAX/ACC        | ARRL MIRROR SITE...........
*************************************************************************
****
        researching the CIRA family genealogy
        in TERMINI IMERESE,PALERMO,SICILY,ITALY..........
_________________________________________________________________________
____
IUOE/INTERNATIONAL UNION OF OPERATING & MAINTENANCE ENGINEERS LOCAL 501
        HVAC/R,IAQ,SYSTEMS,CONTROLS,AIR
BALANCE,PERFORMANCE,PM's,PLUMBING,
        ELECTRICAL,MECH
SYSTEMS,EMS/BMS,DDC,CODES,STANDARDS,REGS,QUIDELINES,
        PPE,HAZMAT,IPP,and more .............
        info call HALL 213-385-1561 or SCHOOL at 213-385-2889...........
*************************************************************************
****
MY RESUME is on my web site at :)
http://www.netcom.com/~kb6axk/resume.html
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
----




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:34:59 1996
From: "joseph a. cira" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Latest WEB-HAM.LIST amateur radio websites for jun/96 ,2405 sites
Date: 27 Jun 1996 16:30:50 GMT
Message-ID: <4qucvq$[e-mail]>
References: <4qmfot$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

hello
   the corrected URL is ;
    http://www.padl.ac.at/schule/chemie/bob.htm
brain fart
joe,kb6axk


--
*************************************************************************
****
U.S.AMATEUR RADIO STATION " KB6AXK "| SYSOP OF HAM*INFO*LINK*SOURCE*BBS
PASADENA,CALIFORNIA 91107           |  at 818-584-1952 any speed 8-N-1
e-mail to [e-mail]      | dedicated to amateur radio !
                ARRL/LAX/ACC        | ARRL MIRROR SITE...........
*************************************************************************
****
        researching the CIRA family genealogy
        in TERMINI IMERESE,PALERMO,SICILY,ITALY..........
_________________________________________________________________________
____
IUOE/INTERNATIONAL UNION OF OPERATING & MAINTENANCE ENGINEERS LOCAL 501
        HVAC/R,IAQ,SYSTEMS,CONTROLS,AIR
BALANCE,PERFORMANCE,PM's,PLUMBING,
        ELECTRICAL,MECH
SYSTEMS,EMS/BMS,DDC,CODES,STANDARDS,REGS,QUIDELINES,
        PPE,HAZMAT,IPP,and more .............
        info call HALL 213-385-1561 or SCHOOL at 213-385-2889...........
*************************************************************************
****
MY RESUME is on my web site at :)
http://www.netcom.com/~kb6axk/resume.html
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
----




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:01 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
From: [e-mail] (charles copeland)
Subject: Re: CW can not die...
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4qmdbp$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qqoag$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 18:20:10 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
Curtis D. Levin <[e-mail]> wrote:
>On 26 Jun 1996 07:19:44 GMT, [e-mail] <moritz
@ipers1.e-technik.uni-stuttgart.de> wrote:
>>But if I listen on the band, I always wonder why digital stations
>>are putting out extremely strong signals. OTOH, If someone set
>>aside 50 KHz for Pactor or clover, and this section got as busy
>>as a typical CW section, you can bet that the effective throughput
>>will be very low, because the stations will spend most of their
>>time sorting protocols, syncronizing et.c.
>>
>>73, Moritz DL5UH
>
>
>Very true... my 1200 baud packet station shows an average of about 30 baud
>throughput if queried. Of course, during a data transfer, that rate is
>higher, but that's prepackaged. You also have to be a pretty proficient
>typist to type 30 wpm, and most experienced morse code ops do that with
>ease, not counting retries, and errors. On the average, morse code is

30wpm for typing is lame, 30wpm for copying code is exceptional.
Bad comparison.

1200 baud packet facts:
1200/11 = 109 bytes per second potential
109/5 = 21 words per second potential
21*60 = 1260 wpm potential
        ^^^^^^^^
Facts:
World record typist - 120wpm
World record CW copy - 76wpm

My guestimation below:
Average typist  - 40wpm
Average CW copy - 15wpm



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:02 1996
From: [e-mail](Anthony Severdia)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Jammers caught in Oregon by PARG
Date: 27 Jun 1996 21:39:01 GMT
Message-ID: <4quv1l$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4qupvo$[e-mail]>

In <4qupvo$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim Garver)
writes:
>
>I take then that
>
> 'The Spammers caught the Jammers'?
>
>
>--
>[e-mail]          WA7LDV            I don't speak for
Intel

    Har de har-har!  Good thing you don't speak for Intel.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:03 1996
From: Jean-Pierre Gammelgaard <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: KENWOOD TM-251E
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 00:13:11 +0200
Distribution: inet
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Hi there.

I hope i'm doing this right.
I desperately need mods for my radio.
The EC has caused our government in Denmark to liberate
the rules for receiving radio.
Now all freq's are open to listen to.
Therefore i'd be thrilled to get some info.

73
oz1xyz
Jean-Pierre Gammelgaard


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:04 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steve King)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ADI: I need the phone number or address
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:18:47 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Bill Nadzam <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I am looking for the phone number or the address
>of the importer, or american rep for "ADI".

I believe the main importer of ADI is:

Premier Communications
20277 Valley Blvd, #1
Walnut, CA  91789
[phone]

OTOH, the lowest prices I've seen for ADI products (or at least they
have free shipping for orders >$100) is from:

Artcom
P.O. Box 231326
Montgomery, AL  36123-1326
[phone]

I am not an employee of either company.  This is just the results of
my own research into prices of ADI products.

Steve
--
http://www.afn.org/~afn35036  (EL89tq)| "I have never really understood the
http://www.afn.org/~gars              | rationale behind sports...which
http://www.afn.org/~quilters          | all seem like exhausting new ways of
PGP pub key: finger [e-mail]  | getting injured while sweating." -LGW



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:05 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gene W. Sochor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Rugged mobile ball-mount?
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:59:51
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Summary: Need info on HD antenna ball-mount
Keywords: 3/8-24 ball mount

Is any vendor producing a truly rugged stainless-steel ball-mount for 3/8-24
thread antennas?  I have need to side-mount an Outbacker antenna on a slightly

angular rear-quarter panel of an 4WD vehicle, and don't really like the
NewTronics "Hustler" mount construction all that much.  Years ago a mount was
made by somebody else, I think perhaps a "Mark Products", that not only was
very rugged and solidly built, but only required a single hole.  Comments?

73, Gene N9SW   ([e-mail])

Gene Sochor
[e-mail]
Work Phone:  [phone]
Home Phone:  [phone]
Date Phone:  [phone]
FAX Mailbox: 800-700-1986


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:06 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bob Duckworth)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: I can't even give it away.
Date: 28 Jun 1996 11:18:11 -0400
Message-ID: <4r0t3j$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <znr835901766k@Digex> <4r0qqk$[e-mail]>

Do I care what Burt thinks?
No.

Do I know a kid who'll use his gear?
Yes.
12 year old.
Sails, plays soccer, paints, plays piano and latin percussion,
has a successful small business, wants to visit FIJI, and is studying
French in preparation for a trip to France next summer.

Normal?
I can't understand anyones desire to be normal!

-bob
WB4MNF

If you have an HF rig for a kid who'll use it,
let me know and I'll send you her address.
(Must do CW, I haven't told her about no-code licensing :-)

--
Bob Duckworth Consulting, 960 Ralph McGill Blvd. Atlanta GA 30306-4447
bobs' address is [e-mail]    404-888-0389(V) 892-2301(FAX)
Buy Sell Trade Surplus Computer Electronics Datacom Telecom since 1981.
Fax or email your list for a fast cash offer. Watch for listserv catalog.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:07 1996
From: Ron Henderson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10/10# - where can I get one?
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:19:34 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4pmjs6$[e-mail]> <4pprks$[e-mail]> <4pq3vd$[e-mail]> <4ptm7h$[e-mail]> <4q6jtj$[e-mail]> <4qbigk$[e-mail]> <6147cc$b144.1df@NEWS> <4qe2cl$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <6187cc$171831.1c5@NEWS>

Russ wrote:
>
> Sam wrote:
> :>Is the 10-10 roster anywhere on the Net?  I got my number back in the
> :>70's, but I'm not sure I remember what it is.  I think it's 21826.  How
> :>can I find out for sure?
>
> :>Sam
> :>AD5C
>
> Hello Sam, as of yet, no the 10-10 roster is not on the Net. But a Web
> interface with a call sign/number lookup program might be forth coming
> in the future.
>
> It shows that you are correct on the guess Sam, it has you listed as
> 21826 which is a pretty low number compared to the 68,000
> range its up to now. Also shows your address as Behrman Hwy
> in N.O. I know that the address info is incorrect as your address has
> changed according to other sources. If you have any other questions
> just send an e-mail and I'll be happy to pass on additional info.
>
> 73 de N5EJS
> RussRuss, Would you please check my number also.  I have forgotten it.  I
received it in about 1979.  My current call is NC4F. Old calls were:
N4BPK and KA4EWA.  I look forward to some good 10 meter actvity when the
sunspots get right.
Thanks,  W. R. Henderson, [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:08 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bob Duckworth)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Unlicensed Buyers
Date: 28 Jun 1996 11:23:41 -0400
Message-ID: <4r0tdt$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

vessels under 65 feet.
-bob

--
Bob Duckworth Consulting, 960 Ralph McGill Blvd. Atlanta GA 30306-4447
bobs' address is [e-mail]    404-888-0389(V) 892-2301(FAX)
Buy Sell Trade Surplus Computer Electronics Datacom Telecom since 1981.
Fax or email your list for a fast cash offer. Watch for listserv catalog.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:09 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: alinco DJ580
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:40:39 GMT
Message-ID: <4r0nar$[e-mail]>
References: <4qv44h$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] wrote:

>Is ther a mod that will allow me to transmit on CAP frequencies.  I want to
>sell this rig and the buyer will only purchase it if can be used for CAP also
.

Cut diode D16 on the main board.




From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:10 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: I can't even give it away.
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 13:40:16 GMT
Message-ID: <4r0qqk$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <znr835901766k@Digex>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Francis A. Ney, Jr.) wrote:

>Then there are people like me who are a 'double asset,' with both a ham ticke
t
>and search and rescue certs...

Francis, what, prey tell, are 'search and rescue certs' ? Are those,
like, breath mints you eat while you're out in the woods looking for
lost people with your hound dawg, or what ? Do they keep the dawg
from loosing the sent because of your bad breath ?

Just curious. We have regular certs here, and the mint ones, but never
seen search and rescue certs in any of the stores.  Course, most of
our rescues here involve the ocean, and it would be hard to eat breath
mints while you were scuba diving, so maybe that's why the never
caught on over here.

Hafa Adai,
Jim KH2D








From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:11 1996
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Family RadioService-Another BIG FCC SCREWUP!
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:58:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Distribution: world
References: <4quor0$[e-mail]> <4qcv94$[e-mail]


: The problem is he didn't bother to get the facts before he bitched.
: Question are these units all hand held?

>>      Yep... all handheld units.

But continuous transmission is not outlawed in the FRS. Nor is the use
of repeaters.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:11 1996
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Family RadioService-Another BIG FCC SCREWUP!
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Distribution: world
References: <4quovp$[e-mail]> <4qcv94$[e-mail]


>>Bases?  There is no such configuration for FRS.  Unless you consider
>>taking through a handheld radio while sitting in your house a base
>>station.

Or a tall building. Retransmitting via a simple VOX setup ANY band's
transmissions...

The FRS R&O does not address MANY important issues.


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:13 1996
From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Rugged mobile ball-mount?
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:34:42 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Summary: Need info on HD antenna ball-mount
Keywords: 3/8-24 ball mount

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gene
W. Sochor) writes:

[snip]

>73, Gene N9SW   ([e-mail])

>Gene Sochor
>[e-mail]
>Work Phone:  [phone]
>Home Phone:  [phone]
>Date Phone:  [phone]
>FAX Mailbox: 800-700-1986

Hey...I called your "Date Phone" but never talked to a girl! All I kept
getting was these wierd tones.

Oh well, guess I will keep looking...

[smile]


Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:13 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARLP026 Propagation de KT7H
Date: 28 Jun 1996 16:37:46 -0400
Message-ID: <$[e-mail]>


SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP026
ARLP026 Propagation de KT7H

ZCZC AP47
QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 26  ARLP026
From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA  June 28, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB PROP ARL ARLP026
ARLP026 Propagation de KT7H

Solar activity is still very low, although there were visible spots
on the Sun's surface every day this past week.  Average solar flux
was up about 3 points, and the A index was in the single digits.
Solar flux peaked up just over 70, and it is expected to drop below
70 around July 7, reaching back up to 70 again around July 17.
Around July 16 is when we could see a slight recurring geomagnetic
instability, although some smaller disturbances could appear also
around July 2, 3 and 14.

Sunspot Numbers for June 20 through 26 were 22, 33, 23, 23, 25, 23
and 25, with a mean of 24.9.  10.7 cm flux was 69.7, 70, 69.7,
68.6, 72.3, 71.9, and 71.8, with a mean of 70.6.
NNNN
/EX


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:15 1996
From: Paul Schmidt <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Family RadioService-Another BIG FCC SCREWUP!
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 22:58:54 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

In article <4qeksp$[e-mail]> au wrote:
: The problem will be the available ham gear that can be modified to FRS
: frequencies.  UHF amps and noise makers are available for the
: fruitcakes that it will attract.
... as if making a low-power FRS available on splinter channels
makes this more likely than the higher-powered GMRS service makes it?
If someone shows up on my channel without proper ID, etc. I'll track
them down and turn them in if they don't comply with the regs.
I've done it before -- I'll do it again.  If someone's running
wider-than-legal deviation with stronger-than-legal signal strength
on an adjacent (i.e. FRS splinter) channel, I'll do the same.
--
Paul Schmidt <[e-mail]> Bloomfield, IN USA
Amateur Radio K9PS      Public PGP key available @ MIT server
ARRL Life Member        fingerprint:  24 9F D3 BD AE E3 50 72
QCWA Life Member 26711                23 AB A0 64 BB 9E 2B 8D
GMRS KAF-2547


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:15 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: SS Jeremiah O'Brien
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 00:25:39
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

SS Jeremiah O'Brien is the only unaltered Liberty Ship in existance.  It will
be sailing from San Francisce to Victoria B.C., Canada and then to Seattle,
Washington in the later part of June and early July.  There is an amateur
station abord the vessel.  Will someone please tell me what the operating
frequency(s) of the statation are.  Send directly to me if you wish -
[e-mail].

Tom Bowles, W7VA Mercer Island, WAshington


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:16 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: How would removing the CW test help amateur radio? (was Re:
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q6ndm$[e-mail]> <CSLE87-2406960909480001@145.39.1.10>
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 00:39:05 GMT

<[e-mail]> wrote:
> because you will have no frequencies left. Armond, this is not a paramilitar
y
> hobby! If that's what you want, go join a militia and be as elite as you
> choose.

I said something similar to someone who was comparing military comms to
amateur radio, and you said I was being nasty. You should abide by the
rules you espouse.
Jeff KH2PZ / KH6


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:18 1996
From: [e-mail] (Mr Fud)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How would removing the CW test help amateur radio? (was Re: code/no code survey)
Date: 29 Jun 1996 01:38:17 GMT
Message-ID: <4r21e9$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <1996May31.094014.1@leif> <[e-mail]> <4p5eff$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pnpq8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pv7qq$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q76tr$[e-mail]> <4qvf3d$[e-mail]> <4qvhbq$[e-mail]>


>>The future generation of hams might well not care if code is
>>required or not.
>
>Please provide a shred of evidence. Every ham radio poll on this
>subject contradicts your assertion.

Oh! I guess i didn't know about the poll.  It's depressing when you realize no

one care about your opinion.  As for me I learned to send code when i was in
Boy Scouts some years ago, only problem was that when I had to copy it I
couldnt tell a dot from a dash.  Yes, I know it sounds strange.  Fortunatly
no-code came along and one night I took my tests with perfect scores.  I guess

I will have to be content being incompetent with everything above HF, but I
don't think I will loose sleep over it.

As for keeping CW requirements or not, I currently don't care one way or the
other.  I still belive the future will be a lot higher up the spectrum.  If I
am wrong thei I guess it will be my loss.



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:19 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CB bootleggers on 10 meters
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 04:57:07 GMT
Message-ID: <4r22hj$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:

>What did you do a couple decades ago when the "Russian Woodpecker"
>invaded HF? Cease all transmission so as to not interfere with it?

I modified my noise blanker to get rid of the Russian Woodpecker...I
must have done a helluva job cuz I ain't heard it since....no one
has....hehehehehe
===========================================
cheers! jim martin, wk1v
lowell, mass
http://www.shore.net/~jjmartin/jjm.htm



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:19 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What is a flaked ham apology?
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 04:57:09 GMT
Message-ID: <4r22hl$[e-mail]>
References: <4quj6f$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Frank Sved) wrote:


>Does it come in a can?

Of course not. Don't be silly...it comes in a box with cellophane
wrapper...and stays crunchy....even in milk.

===========================================
cheers! jim martin, wk1v
lowell, mass
http://www.shore.net/~jjmartin/jjm.htm



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:21 1996
From: [e-mail] (Garry Hobart)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How would removing the CW test help amateur radio? (was Re: code/no code survey)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 09:37:31 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <1996May31.094014.1@leif> <[e-mail]> <4p5eff$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pnpq8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4pv7qq$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4q76tr$[e-mail]> <4qvf3d$[e-mail]> <4qvhbq$[e-mail]> <4r21e9$[e-mail]> <4r2akd$[e-mail]>

On Sat, 29 Jun 1996 04:11:48 GMT, [e-mail] (Dan Finn) wrote:

>[e-mail] (Mr Fud) wrote:
(snip)
>in HF because that is all we mayl be allowed to keep. And there will
>be enough hams, and the CW filter will likely be needed more than
>ever.
>
>73
>
>Dan
>
>
The reason for the morse requirement, is to allow Hams to communicate.
If it is acting as a filter, to keep people from communicating, that
is reason enough to abolish the requirement. Just because a few,
selfish little hams, want the whole spectrum to themselves, does not
mean the law should support them. CW is an archaic form of
communication, that should have been abolished with the Marconi
system.

Well, that should fill my mailbox, so flame away. Doesn't change the
facts, though. CW will never die. Certain parts of the HF spectrum
should be reserved for the practice of this ancient art. However, it
is an art that has lived past its day.

Hmmm...Maybe we should have people demonstrate thier proficency at
horse shoeing before they can get thier drivers licence.... I should
be able to get a free lane, then...
----------------------------------------------
Principles aren't of much account anyway, except at election time.
After that you hang them up to let them season.
Mark Twain (1835-1910)


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:22 1996
From: [e-mail](Rob Peebles)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: S-Com Controler Question ?
Date: 29 Jun 1996 12:48:59 GMT
Message-ID: <4r38nr$[e-mail]>
References: <4r1v99$[e-mail]>

In <4r1v99$[e-mail]> [e-mail](Bill
J. Moulton ) writes:
>
>I just picked up a 7K S-Com Rept. controler at a swap meet with only
>some Doc. Can anyone tell me how to unmute the DTMF during an autopath
>call ?

Are you trying to enable the 7K to send DTMF down the phone line during
a patch to say access a pager?  If that is what you want to do you need
to disable the Repeater-to-Phone Mute.
Password +:
63 08 0 * = Off (disabled)
63 08 1 * = On (enabled)

--
Rob Peebles, WD8LXX
Dublin, Ohio





From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:22 1996
From: Big Guy <"Big guy"@sharper.com>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,alt.radio.pirate,rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: These guys are GREAT was:Re: Jammers caught in Oregon by PARG
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 14:36:33 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

These guys deserve a round of applause

(PARG catching the jammer)


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:23 1996
From: [e-mail] (Axinar)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.tech
Subject: RFI to AM on 1994 Ford Taurus
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 14:57:36 GMT
Message-ID: <4r3g94$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

I posted this to the amateur radio packet network and I was told that
Ford knows the fix for this ... I was wondering if anyone else has
noticed this and has any details ...

I just started to notice after driving my 1994 Ford Taurus
for a while that any time that I go under bridges or anything of
the sort that there is a really loud whine on the AM band.

Something started to tell me part of it was engine and part
of it was A/C fan, so I tuned the radio to a frequency where
there was no station and I started moving the A/C fan to different
settings and turning the car off and on.

Sure enough most of the noise was coming from the A/C fan.

The fellow on packet says there is a fix for this.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

    KB8GYS



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:24 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Ham Radio Online - June and July 1996
Date: 29 Jun 1996 21:29:45 GMT
Message-ID: <4r4789$[e-mail]>

For June, we've run over a dozen articles and we already have at least that
many in the queue for July. Stop on by and enjoy some good clean ham radio fun
at Ham Radio Online. Always free at
http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm

(and if that is a mouthful of a URL, we will soon be introducing a much easier
URL to remember!)

Original articles, newsletters from throughout the world of amateur radio,
free unclassified ads, real-time radio propagation and auroral conditions,
real-time disaster communication information and so much more.

Have fun!

Tnx and 73,
Ed

------------------------
Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
personal email to [e-mail]
Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:26 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2001--The end of socialist radio
Date: 29 Jun 1996 21:37:24 GMT
Message-ID: <4r47mk$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Questions:
>
>A. Do you think that a minority of the people should have more rights
>   than the majority--simply because they were there first?
>
>B. Do you think that Gold (or any fixed/slowly increasing) type
>   treasure should be purchased by the majority and given to a
>   minority as a right?
>
>C. Are you against welfare programs that don't require work?
>
>D. Do you think radio spectrum should be socialist or capitalist?
>
>E. Do you think radio amateurs will be able to progress from morse
>   code to spread spectrum TDMA/CDMA in five years?
>
>F. If E is true, do you believe pigs can fly?
>
>The reason for this message is to prepare yourself for the coming
>WARC programs, in which radio spectrum will be removed from the
>non-progressive socialists, and sold to the highest bidder.  Instead
>of a license giving you hundreds of Megahertz spectrum, you will pay
>the same for a license giving you Hundreds of Megahertz in bandwidth
>in a much smaller spectrum.  The choice is yours--1200 baud
>stagnation, and 15 kHz channels, or infinity.
>
>Steve
>"Radio Relay is history, as is any organization built around it"

Interesting questions but we should accurately note that 100% of all Amateur
Radio allocations in the U.S. from 420 MHz and up are shared allocations with
numerous other radio services, including unlicensed devices, ISM, vehicle
location services, radar, doppler wind shear detection radar and more.

Hams have 50-54, 144-148 and 222-223 as exclusve use in the VHF and UHF
spectrum or a total of 11 MHz of spectrum. All the remainder is shared. So the

original thesis that hams have exclusive use of huge chunks of spectrum is
unfounded. A better term is we have "access" to several chunks of spectrum and

must share with other users. I have shared with USAF radar, doppler wind shear

radar, microwave ovens and others.

Amateurs existing and proven ability to share with other users offers
tremendous opportunity to continue having access to many of these bands.

Not with standing these comments, I am strong proponent that Amateurs need to
understand the new spectrum realities. So far, I don't think they have.

You might also read the opinion piece at Ham Radio Online at
http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm

------------------------
Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
personal email to [e-mail]
Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:27 1996
From: [e-mail] (Brian Mileshosky, N5ZGT)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The real mans real hams test.
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 02:01:39 GMT
Message-ID: <4r4qn0$[e-mail]>
References: <4q7dct$[e-mail]> <znr835215179k@Digex> <4qcv27$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4qr7g6$[e-mail]> <CSLE87-2706961014250001@145.39.1.10> <[e-mail]> <4r4lug$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]


>> The real mans ham test IMHO should be: build your own transmitter, antenna,
 power supply
>and reciever, make a QSO with it, then go back and improve it. I dont care wh
at mode, or what freq, though
> Only exemption to this test should be, buying a rig and doing something cons
istantly
> useful with it for your community. Like teaching children, providing
>communications for events, MARS patches, etc. Any thing else is just CB,

  I kinda agree with you.  It is too bad that Hams in today's age
can't build a thing for themselves.  True, there are a lot who do
build, but the majority find it easier to write a check than put any
effort into their equipment (building, testing, improving). Lack of
knowledge and laziness has killed some of Ham Radio.  Where has
Heathkit gone? And why have they gone away?
  I enjoy QRP a whole lot! There are a lot of opportunities to build
in QRP.  I built a 40 meter transceiver that fits in one of those
metal Altoids box - with its 9 volt battery.  It puts out 250 mW (More
than enough needed to have a QSO).  I made my first contact after 2
tries on it right away.
  That was a thrill...to actually have a QSO with something I built
from scratch a couple days earlier.  THAT is what it is all about, and
THAT is Amateur Radio at its best.
  Unfortunately that thrill is not felt by many people any more
because there is no desire to build.  There is no desire to put any
effort into their station except for just unpacking it, plugging it in
and calling CQ.
  I wish Heathkit was still in business.  I wish more people built
instead of signed checks.  Someday it might all change again...
Best of 73,
Brian, N5ZGT


 _________________________________________________________________________
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      JASM -Troop 41                  ARRL        QRP: NorCal# 1700
     Albuquerque, N.M.            Packet: N5ZGT @ KC5IZT.ALBQ.NM.USA.NA
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:28 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: CB bootleggers on 10 meters
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 07:38:37 GMT

In article  [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:
>
>What did you do a couple decades ago when the "Russian Woodpecker"
>invaded HF? Cease all transmission so as to not interfere with it?

No, but I didn't chase it around the band deliberately trying to jam
it either, which is the situation you described. Maliciousness is a
matter of intent.

>>If someone walks across your yard without permission and you shoot
>>them, then shoot them *again* when they run, you can't claim you
>>were just target practicing and they happened to get between you
>>and the target. The second shot shows *intent*.
>
>As usual, a ridiculous non-analogy.

It is an accurate analogy. In both cases we are dealing with
trespassers. In neither case is it proper to pursue and assault
the trespasser repreatedly. That's vigilantism, and is outside
the law.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:29 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Antennae proximity question
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <4quln3$[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 08:40:18 GMT

In article <4quln3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David Stites) writes
:
>I just sent for an Alinco DR-150T to put in my rig. I don't want to
>take the CB out as I use it for traffic info near large cities and to
>keep from getting run over by log trucks when I go into the mountains.
>I plan on putting in a combo antenna where the AM/FM one is now. I
>don't care about getting out because I mostly listen.
>
>If I put out 25-50 watts from the 2m antenna a couple of feet away
>will it hurt the CB or standard radio even though the freqs are a lot
>different. I am also wondering about putting a 2m and a hf antenna in
>my attic. How much separation is required between antennae on
>different bands?

That depends on how the front end circuits of the radios are designed,
David. There have been cases of the IC-706 blowing its 2m preamp because
of transmission on HF with the HF and 2m antennas mounted closely
together on a vehicle. If you look at the circuits, it should be
obvious why this is so. The 2m and HF sides both employ low pass
filters in their receive sections. Since HF is lower than 2m, it
will pass unimpeded to the 2m front end (not quite, there's a bandpass
filter in there too, but its skirts aren't very deep). The vice is
not versa, however. The low pass filter in the HF rig is sufficient
to keep the higher frequency 2m energy from reaching the HF active
devices.

What this means in your case is that the lowpass output filter of
the CB should be sufficient to reject the 2m energy, but there
could be a problem the other way. The CB probably doesn't run enough
power to cause harm, however. In the case of attic antennas and a
real HF rig, however, there could be a problem. A 100 watt HF rig
could blow the front end of your 2m rig without the additional
isolation of some antenna separation. Vertical separation gives
much more isolation than horizontal separation, so it is more
important to separate the antennas by height than by horizontal
distance (the two will typically be cross-polarized as well, and
that offers even more isolation). If that is impossible, then
additional filtering may be required for the 2m rig.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:30 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Help needed with telephone patch
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <4qtkti$[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 08:55:59 GMT

In article <4qtkti$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Petrus van der
 Merwe) writes:
>
>I have an SG2000 HF transceiver as a base station to which I have
>connected an SGC Tel-two telephone patch.  The patch is manual, thus
>requiring an operator to be present.
>
>I would like to automate this system such that I can use it whilst I
>am mobile on HF in remote locations.  I thus need to be able to pick
>up the phone, dial a number, switch the patch on and off and put the
>phone down from my mobile HF station.  Can anyone give me an idea of
>how to do this??

What you need is called a simpatch or simplex autopatch. Connect
Systems makes one. It allows you to control the patch remotely
by signals on the operating channel. It samples the operating
channel periodically when it is transmitting (for a few milliseconds
every second) looking for a carrier or control signals from your end.
When it hears a carrier, it turns the link around and allows you to
talk or control the patch.

The problem you'll face if you operate SSB is that you won't
be generating a carrier for the simpatch to detect, so it won't
know when to turn the link around. If you operate FM or AM this
problem will be moot, but SSB poses a real problem. One thing
you might be able to do is to transmit a pilot tone and build
a pilot tone detector for the receiver which will simulate a
COR signal for the simpatch.

Note well that this isn't a secure system, and anyone monitoring
will learn the patch access codes and will be able to access
the patch themselves after you finish. Also, this type of operation
would be illegal under US rules, check your national rules to see
if it is allowed there.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:31 1996
From: "John A. Palmer" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Schematic for an ACC RE-96 needed
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:55:58 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Dear list subscribers:

The McKinney Tx. amatuer radio club is in need of a schematic diagram for an:
ACC RE-96 repeater controller. I believe that the manufactuer has gone out of
business. All responses are welcomed.

Please respond to <A HREF="mailto:[e-mail]> or
<A HREF="mailto:[e-mail]> I hope that the "mailto"'s work.

73's de
John A. Palmer KA5VAN


From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:33 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai)
Subject: New server for w1aw-list
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 14:40:40 GMT

Since there appears to be no hope that Netcom will ever improve its
mailing list services, w1aw-list has been moved to a server down at
ARRL headquarters.

If you want to continue to receive the W1AW bulletins, please resubscribe
to that list as follows:  (note that the procedure is different from Netcom's)

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that myself.

Thanks again for your support and patience with my w1aw-list over the
years.  Note that this change will not affect any of the other ham-radio
related lists at Netcom.

W1AW-list is now maintained by Jeff Bauer, [e-mail], and the League
list server by Jon Bloom, [e-mail]

73,
/mike
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From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:34 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bill Hayhurst)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Can I use USA callsign in P. rico & v. Islds???
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 16:31:01 GMT
Message-ID: <4r6b43$[e-mail]>

Can anyone tell me if I can use my USA callsign, KE4IDU , while on vacation in
Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands.

Thanks,   Bill Hayhurst



From [e-mail] Mon Jul 01 12:35:35 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can I use USA callsign in P. rico & v. Islds???
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 21:39:00 GMT
Message-ID: <4r6vl6$[e-mail]>
References: <4r6b43$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Bill Hayhurst) wrote:

>Can anyone tell me if I can use my USA callsign, KE4IDU , while on vacation i
n
>Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands.

>Thanks,   Bill Hayhurst

Yes. And you can use it in Guam, too. But I wouldn't recommend Guam
for a vacation.  The Virgin Islands are a lot closer.

73, Jim KH2D