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From [e-mail] Fri May 03 12:17:22 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: LAMBDA
Date: 30 Apr 1996 23:42:47 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4m68hn$[e-mail]>
References: <4m413t$[e-mail]> <4m641c$[e-mail]>

[e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI) wrote:
>
>>   [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) writes:
>>  >In the LAMBDA group, you need to be careful when you bend over to
pick
>>  up >the soldering iron.
>>
>>  You also need to be careful when someone ELSE bends over and picks up
a
>>  soldering iron! <g>
>>
>>  Ditto for cucumbers, beer bottles, and gerbils.
>>
>>
>>  -Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
>>   KF4DDM
>
>
>speaking from experience DREW???


Hey, you were the one that told me, remember?  You also said that tire
irons produced a pleasing sensation.

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Fri May 03 12:17:23 1996
From: [e-mail]    (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Amateur Radio? I don't know anymore...
Date: 1 May 1996 04:09:06 GMT
Message-ID: <4m6o52$[e-mail]>
References: <4leqnk$[e-mail]> <4lip3a$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Bill Newkirk)

In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffma
n) writes:
>In the first place, less than 20% of the written exam requires any math
>skills, and of that remaining 20%, most require nothing more complex
>than simple arithmetic and simple formula manipulation.

indeed. you can be a ham and not even begin to understand integral calculus
and differential equations, modeling of circuit components, analysis of networ
ks,
etc. etc. ask many hams about something like H or S parameters and they have
no idea...

>Nonsense. Amateur radio's value lies in what it enables you to *do*,
>every day.

absolutely...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Fri May 03 12:17:24 1996
From: [e-mail] (Kris Kasalo)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: THINNING HAIR?....MINOXIDIL USERS?....
Date: 1 May 1996 05:26:16 GMT
Message-ID: <4m6slo$[e-mail]>

Now available in the U.S.  Pentadecanoic Acid Glyceride.  World's
leading treatments for thinning hair from Japan.  2.5X more
effective than minoxidil. Featured on CNN, NEWSWEEK,
New York Times.  Doctor recommended.  For free info,
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From [e-mail] Fri May 03 12:17:25 1996
From: Philips Telecom <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 40m CW Sked with MS Needed!
Date: Wed, 01 May 96 07:20:26 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Hi Guys

Anyone in MISSISSIPPI like to make a sked for a QSO on 40m CW

I would like this QSO complete 5B WAS, having completed all other
bands!

Any time the band may be open at your convenience, predictions look like 0100
to 0600 gmt is the best time.

TIA and 73 Fred G4BWP


From [e-mail] Fri May 03 12:17:26 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jon Kessel)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: (none)
Date: 1 May 96 07:51:54 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

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From [e-mail] Fri May 03 12:17:27 1996
From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Where is the Kenwood Reflector....
Date: Wed, 01 May 96 09:21:56 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4m5828$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

In article <4m5828$[e-mail]> [e-mail]  writes:

> The Kenwood reflector was broken so we sent it in for repair.  We
> haven't seen it since.

Is there a list or FAQ of all ham related listservers?  I'd be interested
in any for the gear that I use.  Right now I need some help with a JRC
amplifier and I also have a general interest in keeping up with
information on Icom all-mode sets and Sommer antennae.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Fri May 03 12:17:28 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jerry B. Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: LAMBDA:  An ARRL- Affiliated Club - Why?
Date: 1 May 1996 13:31:19 -0400
Message-ID: <4m8757$[e-mail]>
References: <4lavsb$[e-mail]> <4llm9l$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, James D. Cronin <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Rejecting deviant sexual or other practices isn't hate.  Just remember:
>       "Sodomy is not a family value"

What about female-superior?

>73..Jim  N2VNO

69,

//jbaltz
--
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]                KE3ML


From [e-mail] Fri May 03 12:17:29 1996
From: [e-mail] (Curtis D. Levin)
Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: g4jst-the future of amateur radio
Date: 2 May 1996 02:29:27 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

On Sat, 27 Apr 1996 14:44:05 GMT, [e-mail] <[e-mail]
on.co.uk> wrote:
>I hope to hear from radio amateurs
>prepared to experiment with direct digital
>synthesis, If band, DSP spread spectrum
>communications, high performance small
>signal and large signal RF systems,
>broad band design techniques and packet
>transmissions etc.
>If amateur radio finds itself incapable of
>of, or indifferent to accepting a new challenge,
>then it does not deserve to survive.
>
>Frank Ogden G4JST.
>
>Editor: Electronics World + Wireless World 1994

There are many new and different, and exiting prospects for amateur radio,
and let's not forget the amateurs themselves are constantly striving for
the best technologies themselves. We're probably the largest single gene
pool of beta testers ever assembled at one place on the face of this
planet. It's not just off the shelf hams either. Because radio technology
was in development at the beginning, that is what most hams were doing,
back in the golden age of ham radio. Suffice it to say that many hams have
moved away from designing radios, to designing modems, and ancillary
systems, for what most people consider to be the next technological wave.
Many people are arguing for different modes of data on HF, and with good
reason. They intend to improve their spectrum, by utilizing the same
amount of BW to pass more information. SS is another good example of
modulated transmissions. And digital voice might be just around the
corner, considering the new wave of voice technology in computers. To be
frank, the only thing really holding us back at this point is regulations,
and just like any new technology, we must both prove ourselves worthy of
allocation, and improve ourselves by using methods that are practical and
non interfering. SO amateur radio has a new mission. The most important
point of radio still is self sufficient independant communications.
Incorporating these new technologies into platforms usable by us should be
the top priority.

--
_______________________________________________________
| Curtis D. Levin   kd4zkw       |  Team Os/2 Member  |
|  [e-mail]            | Acft Elec Sys Spec |
| http://www.shadow.net/~cdlevin | Amateur Radio OP.  |
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From [e-mail] Fri May 03 12:17:30 1996
From: [e-mail] (Patrick Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: fwd: BEWARE TM-251 & TM-451 (9600bd)
Date: 2 May 96 02:37:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Hi Dave:

I have learned that the ARRL has moved all of its lists (such as W1AW
bulletins) over to the Netcom listserv site, however I have yet to see
my post sent to fieldorg-l go across the list.

Do either of you gentlemen (or anyone else for that matter) happen to know
if the ARRL lists have been moved to another site??  If so, could someone
please tell me where I can find the ARRL lists??

Many thanks in advance and 73's for now my friends!

DE  KB0OXD


From [e-mail] Fri May 03 12:17:31 1996
From: [e-mail] (Curtis D. Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: New Zealand forcing CW to be dropped international
Date: 2 May 1996 02:48:59 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4kudph$[e-mail]> <4l18p2$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

On Wed, 1 May 96 01:39:38 -0500, [e-mail] <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>Then how come the military no longer teaches Morse? And how come
>
>The military does indeed still teach CW, to the elite forces involved in
>special ops.

I believe it's still required by Pilots as well, for things like ADF and
VOR beacons. And I'm not quite sure, but I think the military also
requires morse for some of it's other skills, like night signalling of
vessels. Pretty sure the Pilot requirement is the same as novice too, like
5 wpm. I think that includes ship's pilots too, but I'm not sure.

--
_______________________________________________________
| Curtis D. Levin   kd4zkw       |  Team Os/2 Member  |
|  [e-mail]            | Acft Elec Sys Spec |
| http://www.shadow.net/~cdlevin | Amateur Radio OP.  |
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From [e-mail] Fri May 03 12:17:32 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Mental Block? (was: Selling out of ham radio)
Date: Thu, 02 May 96 07:04:24 GMT
Message-ID: <4m9qpq$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4l0o2u$[e-mail]> <4l2mcs$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4l9csk$[e-mail]> <4lajbq$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4lljr6$[e-mail]> <4lmi6f$[e-mail]> <4lnr0g$[e-mail]> <4lpav5$[e-mail]> <4lqgcv$[e-mail]> <4lu029$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

     [e-mail] (Curtis D. Levin) wrote:
  > WB3U <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>Taxation doesn't help my fellow man.  It fosters resentment and
>>mistrust in both the taxpayer and recipient, and it establishes a
>>debilitating dependence that is passed on from one generation to the
>>next.  Taxation also presumes that every person, by virtue of merely
>>being born, is legally indebted to all others for the remainder of
>>that person's life.  There is not an ounce of morality in any of
>>this.

>That's funny. I have a friend who says the same thing. Claims he
>never had a social security number, claims he has never filed a tax
>return or paid any taxes at all, and feels that he is justified.
>Funny thing is, he just recently filed a suit against the US Govt for
>malpractice in the use of an experimental drug used in the treatment
>of epilepsy. Epilepsy he acquired after falling down at a student
>worksite and hitting his head while he was drunk. Seems he wanted the
>Govt to come up with a lump sum payment, so that he could just get on
>with his life, and not have to worry about answering to the Govt. who
>is currently paying him disability in monthly payments. Weird,
>someone who doesn't believe he owes the system anything, can swear in
>the same breath that the system owes him everything, and he should
>not have to be responsible to them in the least.

Regardless of whether the government owes your friend the money,
he's not wrong to accept it.  A violation of rights only exists
when money that isn't due is taken without permission or through
the use of fraud or force.  Unless there's more to this story than
I know, the only party who's done that is the government.

Hmmm, seems like your friend has developed the dependence I
mentioned earlier.  Imagine that.  ;)

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Fri May 03 12:17:33 1996
From: Joe Polchlopek <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RTTY software for PC
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 08:30:12 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Larry,

Thanks for the reply and the offer.  I downloaded HamCom and tried it
last night with a demodulator a co-worker built for me.  Didn't work.  He
didn't have the correct op-amp and used a substitute and I think that may
be the problem.  We're going to try again with the right op-amp and see
what happens.  I'll keep your note and maybe get back to you if we
continue to have problems.  Thanks again,

--Joe

On Wed, 1 May 1996, BABB_LARRY wrote:

> I have a couple of older interfaces that I would sell cheap.. one is a
> Kantronices Interface II and I think I have the software for it..  I have
> a couple of software programs for the Commodore.  I have an mfj program
> that they market for about $25.00 that works OK..  it runs under dos..
> and would work with any terminal type interface..  $50.00 and it is
> yours.. 73 de larry
> --
> Larry R. Babb K7NHA
> [e-mail]
> 4859 Elizabeth Ave.
> Chubbuck,  ID  83202
> [phone]
>

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|  Joe Polchlopek                               [e-mail]  |
|  Network Systems Analyst                     phone [phone]  |
|  http://www.netcom.duke.edu/~joe               fax [phone]  |
|  Duke University     Rm 117A TelCom Building     Durham, NC 27708  |
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From [e-mail] Fri May 03 12:17:35 1996
From: [e-mail] (Douglas Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Vanity Calls Gate 1 May 31
Date: 2 May 1996 16:06:02 GMT
Message-ID: <4mamha$[e-mail]>

According to this morning's FCC Daily Digest, Gate 1 opens May 31.

Doug Nelson
K4JGW



From [e-mail] Fri May 03 12:17:36 1996
From: [e-mail] (Pat R. Brown)
Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: famous hams
Date: 2 May 1996 16:37:03 GMT
Message-ID: <4maobf$[e-mail]>
References: <$[e-mail]> <4m47pb$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>


John Kraus W8JK wrote "Antennas" in 1950, invented the Helical Antenna and was

associated with Radio Astronomy. To my mind this man is a near deity!

Pat Brown
N7KRG
HP Spokane Div
'I have to hait 4 more years before the QCWA will have me'




From [e-mail] Fri May 03 12:17:37 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] ("Stephen Walters")
Subject: Amateur radio equipment for sale.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 19:19:21 GMT

Amateur radio equipment for sale.
1. Drake R8e All Mode 150khz~30Mhz RX (Mint& Boxed)ú750ukp. ono (1295ukp
new)
2. Yaesu Ft101z Mk2 Hf TX/RX (100watt TX) ú275ukp. ono
3. Microwave modules 2m transverter (Allows you to use your HF multimode
on 2m. ú95 (200ukp new)
4. Yaesu FT10 2m FM handie 144-146, Purchased new at Pickets Lock. This
is the model with the a06 keypad. 185ukp. (225ukp new)

Replies to Steve, G7VFY Tel [phone]. Collect, for the big items from
NW-London.


From [e-mail] Sat May 04 15:49:10 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARLB025 Question pool news
Date: 2 May 1996 18:17:51 -0400
Message-ID: <$[e-mail]>


SB QST @ ARL $ARLB025
ARLB025 Question pool news

ZCZC AG05
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 25  ARLB025
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  May 2, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB025
ARLB025 Question pool news

A seven-month-old problem that had threatened to disrupt the Amateur
Radio volunteer examiner program has been resolved.

In September 1995, a newly formed corporation called NCVEC Inc
attempted to exert control over the Question Pool Committee (QPC)
that had been formed some years earlier by the organizations that
have entered into agreements with the FCC to serve as Volunteer
Examiner Coordinators (VECs). By unilateral action of the new
corporation and contrary to the FCC rules that require all VECs to
cooperate in the maintenance of question pools, ARRL Volunteer
Examiner Department Manager Bart Jahnke, KB9NM, was dismissed from
the committee. Efforts by the ARRL and the FCC to gain his
reinstatement were not successful until early April.

Ever since the reinstatement, QPC members have been working in good
faith to resolve issues concerning decisions taken by the QPC in the
seven-month period during which it was operating contrary to the
rules. Those issues have now been resolved to the satisfaction of
all participants. Some revisions to the previously released syllabi
for written examination elements 2 and 3A, for the Novice and
Technician licenses, will be announced shortly.

''We are pleased to have this matter resolved,'' said ARRL Executive
Vice President David Sumner, K1ZZ. ''The other members of the QPC
appear to understand that the committee is not a creature of NCVEC
Inc, and that no VEC can be excluded from committee participation.
It still is not clear that NCVEC Inc, acknowledges these facts.
However, that is no longer a matter of concern because the FCC has
affirmed that it has no relationship with NCVEC Inc, but only with
the individual VECs.''

Amateur Radio volunteers have been administering and coordinating
FCC examinations for more than 12 years. The ARRL/VEC coordinates
approximately two-thirds of the examinations.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Sat May 04 15:49:10 1996
From: [e-mail] (duffy1)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: LAMBDA - Is it true?
Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 15:41:46
Message-ID: <4mdr01$[e-mail]>

I heard that the Lambda group is offering an award called WAH.  If
you work a homosexual in each of the 50 states, you can submit QSL
cards for this award.



From [e-mail] Sat May 04 15:49:11 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: LAMBDA:  An ARRL- Affiliated Club - Why?
Date: 3 May 1996 01:55:05 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4mbp1p$[e-mail]>
References: <4llm9l$[e-mail]> <4madqr$[e-mail]> <4mav74$[e-mail]>

>Well, it may go on forever; then again maybe someday we will all learn
to
>live in peace and harmony, or maybe the bigots will find a "final
solution"
>who can tell.


Why is it that anyone who dares to resist having another's sexuality
flaunted and shoved in his face is immediately branded a bigot, homophobe,
 or similar such nonsense?

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM





From [e-mail] Sat May 04 15:49:12 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ed Schaefer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: LAMBDA:  An ARRL- Affiliated Club?!?!?
Date: 2 May 1996 21:37:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Message-ID: <4mb9u3$[e-mail]>
References: <4lavsb$[e-mail]> <4lkkdn$[e-mail]> <4llb4i$[e-mail]> <4mb0nj$[e-mail]>

In article <4mb0nj$[e-mail]>,
Dungeon Master <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Bob, don't worry wether it's politicaly correct or not.
>There is NO OTHER REASON for starting a 'gay' group other than
>soliciting participation and membership from others of the same
>orientation for purposes of a sexual nature. Otherwise, there would be
>no need. Plain and simple.

Your adherence to this belief in the face of the contrary material already
posted seems unreasonable. How could one be so certain about another person's
mind or thoughts - unless one is a telepath? Surely you aren't? Wow! why
would telepaths need radio? 8-)

Anyway, IMHO this newsgroup may not be the apropriate forum for the
discussion but it seems to me that misstatements should be challenged
where they are made - and your imputation of motive to others is at
least as offensive to me as the existence of gay and lesbian groups is
to you.

As you said:
>There is a difference between hatred and intolerance. What a person
>does behind closed doors is thier own business, but when it is out in
>the open, flaunted and shoved in our faces, and the faces of our
>children, we get sick of it REAL QUICK.

And you might realize that some others react to public defamation of
gays in the same way. And so, since neither of us has a superior right
to excluseve use of any public forum it appears that we will both be
sick of it until we can find a way to mutual respect and toleration.

73
--
This posting is purely the personal opinion of
Ed Schaefer  [e-mail]   ham radio: K9JMA


From [e-mail] Sat May 04 15:49:13 1996
From: [e-mail] (duffy1)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: LAMBDA:  Why the hysteria?
Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 15:37:10
Message-ID: <4mdqng$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4lavsb$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

I didn't know that Christianity, longevity groups, womens groups
were inherently lacking morals.  Homosexuality is a wrong choice,
forget all that stuff about it not being a choice and that
homosexual can't help the way they are.  Next thing you know we'll
have Pedo Ham groups, Skinhead ham groups and every other weirdo
lifestyle choice group "because they can't help it, they were born
that way."

Personally I don't care if the homosexuals have their own group,
I'm just tired of having it in my face all the time.

Can we have closet ham groups?

In article <[e-mail]> Doug Faunt N6TQS
[phone] wrote:
>   The hysteria is not about being homosexual, the hysteria is
about
>   groups that promote this lifestyle.
>
>When clubs that promote Christianity, women and longevity are
banned, maybe
>we could consider banning Lambda.
>73, doug
>QCWA, MDARC, Oakland ARES and Lambda member
>



From [e-mail] Sat May 04 15:49:14 1996
From: Kevin Alfred Strom <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: LAMBDA: An ARRL- Affiliated Club?!?!?
Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 02:14:38 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <"23-Apr-96.12:19:27".*[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4mb9ia$[e-mail]>

Chris Shustak wrote:
>

>
> Seeing how this discussion has taken a satirical bent, I set my
> mind to view the discussion in a different light.
>
> After a bit of thought, I concluded that Mr. Cook might have something here.
>
> Most of the members of most of the ham clubs in the US are heterosexuals.
> Based on Mr. Cook's analysis, it became obvious that heterosexuals are
> planning something.  Planning to take over the world.  Maybe they're
> trying to indoctrinate our children to adopt a whole host of perverse acts
> that heterosexuals practice with each other.
>
> It truly is sickening to think about.  After all, I have children
> to protect!  I say that after we ban homosexuals from ham radio, we need to
> immediately follow up this act by banning heterosexuals as well.
>
> Sorry.  I couldn't resist a bit of levity.

Chris, you are obviously confused. Normal sexual intercourse is not
perverse, by definition.

What homosexuals do to each other is not sexual intercourse; it is
perverse; and it is harmful to themselves and to all who are affected by
it. These acts are a primary vector for disease, and those who are
recruited into them are cut off forever from a normal family life; and
the descendants they might have had are lost to them and to us for all
time.

I object most strongly to giving any form of societal approval to this
sickness. The ARRL have made a serious mistake if they have indeed
approved this "club."

"Discrimination" means only "to choose between alternatives."
Pro-communists changed the meaning of the word several decades ago to
serve their purposes and the "liberal" change-agents and dupes ran with
it. I prefer the correct English meaning of the word. Anyone who is not
free to discriminate is not free.

Still free,

Kevin Alfred Strom, WB4AIO


From [e-mail] Sat May 04 15:49:16 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dick Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Selling out of ham radio
Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 18:36:21 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

>In article  [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:
>>"c: *.*" <[e-mail]> says:
>>>Right now, a good listen th 3, 7, 21 Mhz will reveal a bunch of really
>>>old men talking about their various physical ailments.
>>
>>Hmmmm, I hear the same conversations every morning at Ala Moana Beach
>>Park. Lots of the retired folks gather there to walk the beach and
>>swim. In fact, probably any place older folks gather they discuss
>>their health. Why should ham radio operators be any different?
>>Even my parents (non-hams) frequently discuss their health.
>>And I'm certain you and I will do the same in a few decades.
>>
>>73 from Hawaii,
>>Jeff KH2PZ (ex NH6IL)
>
>Ah, finally upgraded I see.
>
>For once, I must agree with something Jeff says. The majority of
>HF operators are almost certainly grey muzzled. In 1990, the average
>age of US amateurs was 59. Today it is 54, but I'd suggest that is
>mostly due to the generally younger code test free Techs pulling down
>the average, and that the average HF amateur is now even older than 59.
>So it is not at all unexpected that one of the topics of conversation
>would be health related.
>
>At HF, the amateur population is almost certainly 25 to 30 years
>older than the average age of the general population. This explains
>a lot about the attitude differences between these members of the
>"Old Guard" and members of the general population wishing to join
>amateur radio, or who have already joined amateur radio through
>the Tech route. The old HF operators are a generation out of step
>with society. Their social mores were set in the post-WWII era and
>not in the post-Vietnam era. (Whether that's good or bad is irrelevant,
>the Grim Reaper will see to it that their views pass away before those
>of the newer generations.)
>
>Gary
>--
>Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
>Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp addres
ses
>534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
>Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |

I would be careful about generalizations like that Gary.  Although I
am in the "grey muzzled" group you refer to, I am sure as hell not
part of the "old guard" as you put it.  I belong to a large radio club
here in Oregon that is comprised primarily of very active DXer's. They
even have their own SIG (special interest group) outside the club's
other activities.  They are almost all in their 30's and 40's.

Dick Hughes - W7LVA


From [e-mail] Sat May 04 15:49:16 1996
From: Pontus Falk <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: SM0RUX Ham Radio Homepage
Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 19:59:46 +0200
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Feel free to visit my homepage at http://www.algonet.se/~falk
--
Pontus Falk, SM0RUX
Public PGP Key found at http://www.algonet.se/~falk/falk.html


From [e-mail] Sat May 04 15:49:17 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Metcalf)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Still looking for 10 meter calling frequency
Date: 4 May 1996 06:21:03 GMT
Message-ID: <4met0f$[e-mail]>

I am still trying to find out what the current 10 meter calling
frequencys are.....any help.?.. WH6JP....  also for the current cycle
to be at the bottom... there has been strong  openings from Hawaii to
Japan, China and Indonesia the last several days from Hawaii   JIM


From [e-mail] Sat May 04 15:49:18 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Vanity Gate 1 Opens 5/31/96
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 23:07:32 EST
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

The following appeared in the FCC's Daily Digest today (5/2/96):

AMATEUR STATION VANITY CALL SIGN SYSTEM
FILING GATE 1 OPENS MAY 31, 1996 -- Contact:
Consumer Assistance Branch at 1-800-322-1117



From [e-mail] Sat May 04 15:49:19 1996
From: Software Engineering Department <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.ham-radio.packet,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: WANTED: FTP site for AX.25 standard...
Date: 3 May 1996 06:23:54 GMT
Message-ID: <4mc8pq$[e-mail]>


Much appreciated!



Benjamin Fan
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat May 04 15:49:21 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gary Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Wisconsin Hams Please Read !
Date: 3 May 1996 06:28:44 GMT
Message-ID: <4mc92s$[e-mail]>

To: ALL WISCONSIN AMATEUR RADIO OPERATORS
From: Gary Schwartz  K9GS

Subject: Wisconsin State Antenna Bill SB 544

This is an update to an earlier posting.  Several groups of Wisconsin
Amateur Radio Operators have been involved in the passage of legislation
designed to ease local and county government restrictions that currently
make it very difficult for Wisconsin Amateurs to erect antennas.

I am very happy to report that this legislation has passed a very
important milestone.  In March, this series of amendments passed the
Wisconsin State Senate!

I would like to take this time to thank everyone that took the time to
call or write their State Senators and Representatives.  Your support was
the key towards moving this important legislation forward.  I would also
like to thank the original co-sponsors of this bill, State Senator
Grobschmidt and State Representative Brancel as well as the other Senators
and Representatives that have shown their support by signing on as
additional sponsors.

The next step will be the passage in the State Assembly.  It is very
important that a vote be taken in the month of May, before the summer
recess.  As of today, this legislation is slated to be voted upon the week
of May 6th or 13th.  Due to the great amount of pending legislation, the
vote should most likely come the week of May 13th.

I would like to take this opportunity to again ask that you contact you
State Representatives as soon as possible and ask them to vote in favor of
SB 544.  Either a telephone call and/or a letter are taken very seriously
and do have a substantial impact.

If you do not know who your State Representative is, contact either your
local city/village/county clerk or call the toll-free Legislative Hot-Line
at 1-800-362-9472.  Either of these sources can supply you with the
correct address and/or phone number.

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THIS BE DONE IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS !!!!

If this important piece of legislation is successfully passed by the
Assembly, the next step will be the Governor's desk.  Arrangements are
currently being explored with the sponsors of this bill to ask that the
Governor sign this bill during National Ama teur Radio Week, June 16th -
23rd, pending a successful vote in the Assembly.

Once again, I'd like to thank everyone for their support and enthusiasm
and ask that everyone please take the time to write or phone their
Assembly Representative right away.

This is the paraphrased text of SB 544:

"SB 544 is modeled after current provisions which restrict local
governments from regulating certain satellite antennas.

Amendments would be made to Wisconsin State Statutes 59.97 (4d),
60.61 (3c) and 62.23 (7) to create 59.97 (4dm), 60.61 (3d) and 62.23 (7) (hf)
respectively.  The text of the amendment(s) follows:

AMATEUR RADIO ANTENNA FACILITIES. The (board/town board/ governing body of
a city) may not enact an ordinance or adopt a resolution on or after the
effective date of this subsection, or continue to enforce an ordinance or
resolution on or after the effective date of this subsection, that
involves the placement, screening or height of amateur radio antennas
unless the ordinance or resolution is reasonably crafted to address a
specific health or safety concern.  The (board/town board/governing body
of a city) may not enact an ordinance or adopt a resolution on or after
the effective date of this subsection, or continue to enforce an ordinance
or resolution on or after the effective date of this subsection, that
involves the placement, screening or height of amateur radio antennas if
the ordinance or resolution is based solely on aesthetic considerations."

73,
Gary K9GS
packet:  K9GS @ WA9KEC.WI.USA.NOAM
e-mail: [e-mail]
PacketCluster:  K9GS > NB9C



From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:38 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2x 1/4 wave = increased range?
Date: Sun, 05 May 96 20:00:47 GMT
Message-ID: <4mj5eg$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (Eugene Kang) wrote:

>Would doubling the length of a 1/4 wave whip (approx 18") to approx
>36" on a mag mount (radio shack, specifically) affect the performance
>in any way?

Among other things, it will raise the feedpoint impedance and cause
the antenna to accept less power.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:39 1996
From: [e-mail] (Eugene Kang)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 2x 1/4 wave = increased range?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 06 May 96 10:31:47 GMT

Would doubling the length of a 1/4 wave whip (approx 18") to approx
36" on a mag mount (radio shack, specifically) affect the performance
in any way?



thanks



From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:40 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gerard Foley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2x 1/4 wave = increased range?
Date: 6 May 1996 08:27:47 -0400
Message-ID: <4mkr83$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4miuj6$[e-mail]>

John R. Cunliffe ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Eugene Kang) wrote:

: >Would doubling the length of a 1/4 wave whip (approx 18") to approx
: >36" on a mag mount (radio shack, specifically) affect the performance
: >in any way?

<snip>

: Your better bet would be to replace it with a 5/8 wip.

  Without looking it up, it seems to me that 5/8 wave antennas are not
that close to 50 ohms either.  As I recall the one that worked well for
me, it had an inductance in the base, that is a loading coil between the
coax and the antenna.

K8EF

--
Gerry


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:41 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jerry Flanders)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: BA - BOATANCHORS Newsgroup naming
Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 03:10:08 GMT
Message-ID: <4mh669$[e-mail]>
References: <4mgdg0$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Richard E Stealey) wrote:

>...  I DID submit a proposal
>(called a request for discussion, RFD) and uunet referred it to a
>committee, called group-advice, for comment.  They recommended "antiques"
>instead of boatanchors, because they are concerned about the name having
>a clear understanding worldwide,...
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------
I am amazed that the committee did not realize that "boatanchors" is
the most appropriate, truly descriptive name. All BA enthusiasts call
them that! The committee members may be out of touch with this aspect
of the hobby.

 I think the word "Antiques" suggests very old commercially
manufactured receivers (essentially, the early broadcast receivers).

 I am not interested in antiques, only BAs.

Jerry   W4UKU   [e-mail]





From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:43 1996
From: [e-mail] (Richard E Stealey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: BA - BOATANCHORS Newsgroup status
Date: 4 May 1996 20:08:32 GMT
Message-ID: <4mgdg0$[e-mail]>


This is a boatanchor post -

I promise to keep you up-to-date on the status of our newsgroup
proposal here.  Not meaning to bore anyone, but for the benefit
of readers to this newsgroup who have not been following the action
over in rec.radio.swap I will recap:

About 3 weeks ago I volunteered to create a new newsgroup proposal and
started the long processes of getting it voted in.  I DID submit a proposal
(called a request for discussion, RFD) and uunet referred it to a
committee, called group-advice, for comment.  They recommended "antiques"
instead of boatanchors, because they are concerned about the name having
a clear understanding worldwide, and among readers who are not necessarily
hams.  I asked if they would condsider "classics" as a compromise
(now I'm sorry I did) and they said it was tolerable.  Then after
discussing with some folks who were interested in helping me, we
decided to go ahead with boatanchors and I resubmitted.  That is when
I got a VERY serious response from one of the group-advice members
saying they would allow the RFD to go through but would vote against
it and would encourage others to vote against it.

There was a release of RFDs 5/2/96 and ours was not included.  So right
now we are just waiting.  I have been told by someone who is quite
experienced that we should be patient.

Rick  KT2Q
Lover of boatanchors, and proponent of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors




From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:44 1996
From: [e-mail] (Richard E Stealey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: BA - Modulated Oscilaltor
Date: 4 May 1996 20:09:46 GMT
Message-ID: <4mgdia$[e-mail]>

This is a boatanchor posting -

There is a bunch of activity in the northeast (US) on QRP AM.
Several of the guys use modulated Hartley oscillators.  They are
always built with triodes, it seems. Tubes like 210s (?).
I checked my junkbox for triodes and all I can find are 12AX7-types.
Are there any modern (!) triodes in the 10 watt range that might
be easier to find?
Or, how about making a triode out of a tube such as a 2E26?  would
that work?  If I tied the screen to the plate .......

Rick  KT2Q



From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:45 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jerry Flanders)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BA - Modulated Oscillator
Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 03:10:26 GMT
Message-ID: <4mh66t$[e-mail]>
References: <4mgdia$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Richard E Stealey) wrote:

>This is a boatanchor posting -

>There is a bunch of activity in the northeast (US) on QRP AM.
>Several of the guys use modulated Hartley oscillators.  ...
>Rick  KT2Q
====================================================================
An AM modulated oscillator would probably show frequency modulation
and would probably also have considerable distortion. Are they really
using modulated oscillators? How do they sound?

Jerry  W4UKU   [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:46 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BA - Modulated Oscillator
Date: Sun, 05 May 96 17:17:36 GMT
Message-ID: <4mirsh$[e-mail]>
References: <4mgdia$[e-mail]> <4mh66t$[e-mail]> <4mi38m$[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (Richard E Stealey) wrote:

>: An AM modulated oscillator would probably show frequency modulation
>: and would probably also have considerable distortion. Are they
>: really using modulated oscillators? How do they sound?
>
>: Jerry  W4UKU   [e-mail]
>
>Glad you brought it up.  They sound almost as good as a DX100.  I bet
>you wouldn't have known the difference.  Listen Sunday afternoons
>at 4 pm EDT for the AWA net on 3838 (yes I said 3838, not 3883)
>They will be on there, usually running 10 watts or so.
>
>
>Sometimes WA1HLR refers to his (not a 10 watter) as an "SBE" rig.
>Sideband Eliminator !

Maybe he's referring to the fact that the bandwidth is 15 KHz and
a sideband station can't get anywhere near the frequency without
being splattered.  I've listened to those guys and their sigs are
nothing to brag about.  During modulation, the carrier FM's all over
the place. Between that and the bandwidth, it's a mess.

I think people have forgotten why AM was abandoned.  It should have
been banned years ago on all Amateur frequencies below 28 MHz.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:47 1996
From: [e-mail] (Richard E Stealey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BA - Modulated Oscillator
Date: 6 May 1996 10:46:18 GMT
Message-ID: <4mkl9q$[e-mail]>
References: <4mgdia$[e-mail]> <4mh66t$[e-mail]> <4mi38m$[e-mail]> <4mirsh$[e-mail]>

: >Sideband Eliminator !

: Maybe he's referring to the fact that the bandwidth is 15 KHz and
: a sideband station can't get anywhere near the frequency without
: being splattered.  I've listened to those guys and their sigs are
: nothing to brag about.  During modulation, the carrier FM's all over
: the place. Between that and the bandwidth, it's a mess.

Ed,
On the other hand, listen to W2ZM with his modulated Hartly osc.
It is stable, and with the bfo on you can JUST BARELY detect the
carrier wobbling.  The mode is probably NBFM, I am going to make a
wild guess and say it is 1 KHz deviation.  Probably legal NBFM.

Tims SBE is a joke.  The antenna blowing in the wind modulates the
carrier !  Its just for fun - very entertaining.  Fortunately there
aren't many of them on the air!

Rick


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:49 1996
From: [e-mail] (Joseph Feng)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BA - Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 00:27:08 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Joseph Feng)

In article <4mm121$[e-mail]>, on Mon, 06 May 96 23:13:02 GMT,
 Sean McCarthy <[e-mail]> writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joseph Fen
g) wrote:
>>It appears that the choice of the "boatanchors" name represents a certain
>>amount of childish mischief, deliberately intended to compete with an

  ( stuff deleted )
>
>Joe, I'm not sure how long you've been on the list, but a "boatanchors" news
>group has been a hot topic LONG before anyone ever dreamed boatanchors
>would go subscription.

I have been following the Infohams Digest and rec.radio.swap for years.
The subject has come up, but it never before seemed like a hot topic.
And there seems to be a lot of bitterness expressed by the ones who
said they refused to pay the subscription fee.

>>If this were a commercial business, then trade mark privileges would apply
>>and the proposed newsgroup would have to find another name.
>
>This is like saying Joe's Pizza would have to change its name to Joe's
>[whatever] because Tim's Pizza had the name fist.
>

No.  You misinterpret.  Perhaps deliberately.  If Tim's Pizza were there
first in the market, Joe could not use the name "Tim's Pizza."  If Tim
had a record store called "Licorice Pizza", Joe might have a hard time
if he tried to open a competing record store called "Licorice Platters."

>>As a matter of common courtesy, this proposed group should choose another
>>name.  There are a lot of obvious alternate candidates from the colorful
>>(such as "doorstops") to the descriptive(such as "tubes").
>>
>>The campaign for the "boatanchors" name only looks like sour grapes.
>
>Using this logic, the list should change its name since it no longer

Huh?  I think you got the logic backwards.  Deliberately?
Clearly, the Porch operation exists now.  Anything alternative
would be new.  Porch is not using any 'rec.radio.*' in its name.

>represents a free, unmoderated, easily accsessable exchange for
>boatanchor enthusiasts on the internet. With a reflector set up, the
>proposed newsgroup will more closely resemble the pre-porch list.
>
>Personally, I wouldn't mind r.r.a.vintage or something like that, but to say
>the list has a right to the name is crazy.
>
>Sean
>p.s. could the sour grapes be on your end?

I admit to being a lurker on BoatAnchors who has willingly paid the fee.
I would deny any interest other than being a satisfied subscriber.

I don't have any objections to a new, free list being started.  I do not
assert that Porch has a right to the exclusive use of the name.  I only
question the motives of those who would insist on using "boatanchors"
in the name.  As I pointed out, there are reasonable alternatives.


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:50 1996
From: [e-mail] (Sean McCarthy)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BA - Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: Tue, 07 May 96 03:38:36 GMT
Message-ID: <4mmgju$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joseph Feng
) wrote:

>I have been following the Infohams Digest and rec.radio.swap for years.
>The subject has come up, but it never before seemed like a hot topic.
>And there seems to be a lot of bitterness expressed by the ones who
>said they refused to pay the subscription fee.

It was discussed in the boatanchors list. I don't know about the others.

>No.  You misinterpret.  Perhaps deliberately.  If Tim's Pizza were there
>first in the market, Joe could not use the name "Tim's Pizza."  If Tim
>had a record store called "Licorice Pizza", Joe might have a hard time
>if he tried to open a competing record store called "Licorice Platters."

No, I got you loud and clear. I get the impression you think "boatanchor"
is a term coined by the list, when in fact its a fairly common term for
old/large/heavy electronics gear.
I guess we could argue this to death.
I see your point, but disagree.

>Huh?  I think you got the logic backwards.  Deliberately?
>Clearly, the Porch operation exists now.  Anything alternative
>would be new.  Porch is not using any 'rec.radio.*' in its name.

Yes, I deliberately stated it backwards and the arguement is just as lame.
The point is neither one is an infingement on the other, they are completely
seperate entities, and could co-exist fine.

[snipage]
>I don't have any objections to a new, free list being started.

Agreed

>I do not assert that Porch has a right to the exclusive use of the name.

Agreed again

>I only question the motives of those who would insist on using "boatanchors"
>in the name. As I pointed out, there are reasonable alternatives.

I just cant get past this part, what motive? And why would they want an
alternative name? What did Groucho say about walkin and quackin like a duck?

Ya know, its funny I'm spouting off about this, I actually would prefer
rec.radio.amateur.vintage or .tube. I think it would be much clearer to the
usenet community.

Sean


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:51 1996
From: [e-mail] (Richard E Stealey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: BA - Virtual Newsgroup
Date: 4 May 1996 20:06:43 GMT
Message-ID: <4mgdcj$[e-mail]>

This is a posting regarding ham boatanchors - "Rigs with, at most,
2 modes - CW and AM" - quote by kc2mf

I suggest that until we get our rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors list that
we begin posting in this newsgroup.  If postings begin with "BA"
they will be readily spotted within the newsgroup, and I am sure some
interesting threads will get underway.  This way we can have a "virtual
newsgroup" until the real one gets created.  Boatanchor postings are
within the charter of this newsgroup.


Rick   KT2Q


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:52 1996
From: [e-mail](michael silva)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: BA Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 7 May 1996 00:07:20 GMT
Message-ID: <4mm47o$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joseph Feng)
writes:

>It appears that the choice of the "boatanchors" name represents a
certain
>amount of childish mischief, deliberately intended to compete with an
>existing mail list and create a certain amount of confusion.  There
>already is a Boatanchors list covering exactly this same subject.

Huh?  The term "boatanchors" has been around long before the mailing
list of the same name.  It is -the- commonly-recognized term among
afficionados.  If a "vacuum-tube" mailing list had been created a few
years ago would you then insist that a newsgroup not use the term?
(r.r.a.audion, anybody?)

73,
Mike, KK6GM



From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:53 1996
From: [e-mail] (Richard E Stealey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: BA- Boatanchors in Dayton
Date: 6 May 1996 10:52:56 GMT
Message-ID: <4mklm8$[e-mail]>



All netters are welcome to stop by the "Friendliest spot in the Hamvention"
and have an eyeball QSO, and a cold drink with some boatanchor
enthusiasts.  Quite a few BAs will be on sale if you get there early
Friday, but be aware, we "blow them out" fast at our table.
We scour the flea market at 6 am then set up around 9.  CU there.

Spots # 1941 and 1942 (Pearl Harbor)

At this time I can promise you:
2 Ranger 1's
R392
HW100
TR4C parts rig
Other Drakes (possibly B Line)
Drake VHF converters
And (I hate to say it here, TONs of HTs, and newer rigs too)

Rick  KT2Q
George KC2MF
and a bunch of other great Guys



From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:54 1996
From: [e-mail] (David L. Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: BA: boatanchor knobs, PS, and manual
Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 01:26:39 GMT
Message-ID: <4mh342$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]


WTB:    I am looking for the following:

1.      2 small alum. knobs for the Heath SB-10 SSB adaptor.

2.      A power supply for two old AM/CW mobile transmitters with
        these
             voltages:
                        500 to 600VDC@225 to 250ma
                        6.3V ac @ 4 to 5A
        This could be ELMAC PSA500, M1070, Palco or the like.
        I have a desk universal but want a dedicated PS if possible

        No schematics please as I already have several if I want to roll my
        own

3.      A manual or copy for the B&W 51SB.  I have one for the
                 51SB-B/51SB-1.  I need one for the 51SB as it has its own PS.

Please reply by E-mail to me at:  [e-mail]

Dave K4JRB




From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:54 1996
From: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Check out this articl
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 04 May 96 20:57:00 -0400
Distribution: world
Reply-To: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)


To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Check out this article...

 >since they cannot see any possible reason for investing the time and
 >energy in learning an obsolete mode of communication like Morse code.
 >Just doesn't make any sense in the digital age.

Refer them to either CB or GMRS service.
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From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:55 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Check out this article...
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4ltu67$[e-mail]> <4m40gs$[e-mail]> <4m5u2p$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 06:49:31 GMT

Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
> <blah blah blah>... The
>granting of special privilege is an illegitimate abuse of State
>power under the doctrines on which our Republic was founded.

And all power to the state. Someone who loses the his/her driving
privilege due to numerous DUI arrests shows the state is exercising
proper powers.

>And BTW, you don't have to be literate in order to pass a driver's
>license exam. That's why safety related road signs have distinctive

Let's hope these illiterates never get on a freeway - they'll never
know which offramp to take in order to exit the highway.

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:56 1996
From: [e-mail] (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Check out this article...
Date: 6 MAY 96 11:58:14
Message-ID: <4ml81g$[e-mail]>
References: <4ltu67$[e-mail]> <4lukig$[e-mail]><4luqo5$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4m40gs$[e-mail]> <4m8056$[e-mail]> <4m8lq3$[e-mail]>


In article <4m8lq3$[e-mail]>, Cecil Moore <[e-mail].
com> writes...
>Hi Tom, what if you were required to pass a motorcycle riding test to get
>a license to drive a car even though you never intended to ride a motorcycle?
>Let's at least get the analogy correct.

It would be just as illogical as requiring a code test in order to use HF phon
e,
but it wouldn't be unfair discrimination. Requiring all HF operators to have
been born in Boston, Mass. would be unfair discrimination. Anyone can learn to
ride a motorcycle or do CW. No one gets to pick where they're born. I hope we
all can appreciate the difference...

==============================================================================
Tom Randolph  N1OOQ  NE-QRP 419  QRP-L 87  ARRL      [e-mail]
==============================================================================


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:57 1996
From: [e-mail](Kenneth Replogle)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Contact request
Date: 2 May 1996 16:15:49 GMT
Message-ID: <4man3l$[e-mail]>

I am interested in talking to a Ham that is a CPA with local government
accounting experience. Could lead to a short business project.  Please
reply to [e-mail]   Thanks, KC0VN


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:58 1996
From: [e-mail] (robert bowman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Dying off
Date: 6 May 1996 14:30:20 GMT
Message-ID: <4ml2ds$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4l0o2u$[e-mail]> <4l0oim$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4lmsrj$5dq@ <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says:
>you have heard.How many amateurs do you know or have seen that were hams sinc
e
>Marconi was a pup. Check Enclopedia for birthdate of Marconi.

check dictionary for 'hyperbole'


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:44:59 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: FCC Annouces Vanity Gate 1 Opening Date - May 31, 1996
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 00:27:02 GMT

>PUBLIC NOTICE
>FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION
...
>REQUEST BY CLOSE RELATIVE OF FORMER HOLDER NOW DECEASED (PRIMARY STATION)
>   You must be an Amateur Extra Class operator to request a Group A call
>sign.
>   You must be an Amateur Extra or Advanced Class operator to request a
>Group B call sign.
>   You must be an Amateur Extra, Advanced, General, Technician Plus, or
>Technician Class operator to request a Group C call sign.
>   You must be an Amateur Extra, Advanced, General, Technician Plus,
>Technician or Novice class operator to request a Group D call sign.

This is great news. I was afraid the FCC would give in to pressure and
delete this portion.

If one wants dad's Extra Class callsign, then first study study study to
become an extra.

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:00 1996
From: [e-mail] (JJ Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Annouces Vanity Gate 1 Opening Date - May 31, 1996
Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 17:45:43 GMT
Message-ID: <4ml3aq$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:

>If one wants dad's Extra Class callsign, then first study study study to
>become an extra.

Yeah, but you better study quickly and before the other gates open and
the callsign goes into the public arena...someone else will grab it
before you do....



From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:01 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS: TS-450SAT Plus Stuff
Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 02:03:41 GMT
Message-ID: <4mh2id$[e-mail]>

For Sale: Kenwood TS-450SAT - 160-10 Meter All Mode transceiver with
built in antenna tuner.  Absolute perfect shape.  Very little use!!!
Includes Astatic D-104 desk mic, and Timewave Tech. DSP9 digital
signal processor with latest ROM, and RS232 interface (home brew).
Asking $1200.00 for all or best offer.  Please email [e-mail]
or call Mike at 314-235-8012 days or 314-428-4849 evenings. 73 - WQ0N



From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:01 1996
From: [e-mail] (Tom Levendusky Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: HELP TEACHING CW CLASS
Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 18:12:50 GMT
Message-ID: <4mlbtc$[e-mail]>

My ham club will be teaching a Tech and Tech + class and I was
woundering what is the best way to teach CW in the classroom? (there
has to be more to it than just turning on a tape) If you have had any
experience with this I would appreciate any help. Thanks.

73 Tom N0MWY



From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:02 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HELP TEACHING CW CLASS
Date: 7 May 96 08:35:07 -0230
Message-ID: <1996May7.083507.1@leif>
References: <4mlbtc$[e-mail]>

In article <4mlbtc$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Tom Levendusky Jr.) w
rites:
> My ham club will be teaching a Tech and Tech + class and I was
> woundering what is the best way to teach CW in the classroom? (there
> has to be more to it than just turning on a tape) If you have had any
> experience with this I would appreciate any help. Thanks.
>
> 73 Tom N0MWY

Our club is going to start a class too.  Anyone with some helpful
advice could help by posting their wisdom here.

Thanks and 73
Joe VO1NA



From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:03 1996
From: [e-mail] (Greg)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help with Kenwood TR-7625 Radio.
Date: 5 May 1996 20:17:01 -0700
Message-ID: <4mjqvd$[e-mail]>

Hello all. I need some help with a Kenwood Radio that I purchased at a
ham fest this weekend. What I need to know is how to set the tones in
the radio. It has the tone board installed but the radio came without
a manual. What I need to know is how to set the tones up on this
radio. Any help will be appriciated.

73




From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:04 1996
From: [e-mail]    (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HTX-202
Date: 1 May 1996 04:17:19 GMT
Message-ID: <4m6okf$[e-mail]>
References: <4m1c67$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Bill Newkirk)

In <4m1c67$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Davidtork) writes:
>tell me how long a battery should last?  I haven't been doing much more
>then listening and it seems the battery light goes on after about 30

depends on your talk to listen ratio, volume setting (having to have lots of a
udio
drains the battery faster than low levels..), if the light is on, etc. can als
o be a
sensitive low battery flag (set too high...)

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:05 1996
From: [e-mail] (Davidtork)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HTX202
Date: 3 May 1996 18:42:10 -0400
Message-ID: <4me242$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Davidtork)

I just wanted to thank everyone who responded about my problem with the
HTX202.  The problem was the battery.  I took it back to Radio Shack and
they exchanged it for another one, without question!  They did say,
however, that those batteries are on back order until Sept.   There has
been a lot of bashing of Radio Shack on this group and others but the
service I have received in exchanging or getting items repaired has been
outstanding!

Thanks again for all the help.

David
KF6DGN


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:06 1996
From: don childress <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ICOM IC-W31A tech question
Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 13:09:43 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

When the IC-W31A is turned on the word "ICOM" is displayed
for 5 seconds. Is it possible to program my call in place of
ICOM? No mention the manual..ICOM will not accept tech
questions on the net..they refer you to dealers.
D. Childress


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:06 1996
From: [e-mail] (R. Dale PIedfort)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ICOM SPECIALS AT HRO
Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 05:24:51 GMT
Message-ID: <4mk2ds$[e-mail]>

Saturday May 11th all HRO stores will be offering special discounts
on Icom Products ..Store hours are 10am til 5:30pm



From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:07 1996
From: [e-mail] (Sean Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: kb5ujd yields ham license for life
Date: 4 May 1996 23:45:31 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4mgq6r$[e-mail]>

Hey Drew!  got any plastic explosives?  I'll meet you down there!



-
  SEAN HALL  [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:08 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Mental Block? (was: Selling out of ham radio)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4l9csk$[e-mail]> <4lljr6$[e-mail]> <4lmi6f$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 06:00:37 GMT

[e-mail] (WB3U) writes:
>The emptying of your pocket is illegitimate regardless of the use to
>which the money is put.  Neither you nor I have a contract with the
>government that grants them permission to do this.

If you use the services that the local or national governments provide,
directly or indirectly, then you have to pay for such services (every
April). Just by getting in your car you utilize city/county streets
and appropriate traffic control devices that you must help pay for.
Heck, the DOT spent lots of money to ensure your car is safe to drive.
Consider all the seimic studies conducted to make that federal highway
safe. The examples number in the tens of thousands. Pay up, Jack.

73 from Hawaii,
Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:09 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: More LAMBDA (a/k/a HAMFAGS) Stuff...
Date: 5 May 1996 02:58:52 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4mh5hc$[e-mail]>

From the classified ("Ham Shop") section of this month's "CQ VHF"
magazine:

Join the LAMBDA AMATEUR RADIO CLUB for gay, lesbian, bisexual and
transgendered hams and their friends.  Monthly newsletter, on-air
meetings, DXpeditions, and local chapters.  For more info write to LARC,
P.O. Box 24810, Philadelphia, PA 19130-2405, or send e-mail to:
[e-mail]


Why not drop them a line?  Tell them what you think of their little
"club" and their recent recruitment efforts.

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:10 1996
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
Date: 06 May 96 01:18:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NEW! Ham Radio CDROM
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>




>> NEW! - January 1996 Edition

Could've sworn this was MAY, 1996...so your data is, what - seven months
old? Maybe six months?


[e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:11 1996
From: [e-mail] (Joseph Feng)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 16:28:03 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Joseph Feng)

In article <[e-mail]>,
 on Sun, 05 May 1996 18:44:08 -0400,
 "Peter W. Meek" <[e-mail]> writes:
>Jeffrey Herman wrote:
>>
>> Subject: rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors
>>
>> Dear Readers,
>> I've been informed of the discussion regarding the creation of a
>> new newsgroup dedicated to amateur and military vacuum tube radio
>> technology, and radio history.
>>
>> It's been mentioned that those who approve a proposed new group's name
>> are not happy with the tale name in rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors.<cut>
>
>As both a boater and electronic hobbyist, I don't think I'd
>have any trouble figuring out what this group was about.
>The proposed new group rec.boats.electronics shouldn't be
>much of a problem either, although I suppose the same
>argument could be made against its name, too.
>
>Boatanchor is an unlikely word to find in the boating
>world, we usually just call them anchors, but as
>Jeffery says later in the msg, it's certainly the
>standard nomenclature in the electronics world for
>heavy, older electronics. Do you suppose the powers-
>that-be would like any of the other common names, like
>'doorstop' or "coppermine'? <grin>
>
>--
>  --Pete <[e-mail]> http://www.msen.com/~pwmeek/

It appears that the choice of the "boatanchors" name represents a certain
amount of childish mischief, deliberately intended to compete with an
existing mail list and create a certain amount of confusion.  There already
is a Boatanchors list covering exactly this same subject.  This proposal
was put forward by people who admit that they were unhappy that this
mailling list began charging a subscription fee.

If this were a commercial business, then trade mark privileges would apply
and the proposed newsgroup would have to find another name.

As a matter of common courtesy, this proposed group should choose another
name.  There are a lot of obvious alternate candidates from the colorful
(such as "doorstops") to the descriptive(such as "tubes").

The campaign for the "boatanchors" name only looks like sour grapes.


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:12 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (SARUMAN)
Subject: Re: Radio Shack- You've got broken stuff?  We cant fix it!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4mjqt3$[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 20:27:37 GMT

>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (charles copeland)
>writes:
>>I sent in my HTX-202 for repair. After sending back the second time,
>>They refunded my money and said they couldn't fix it due to parts
>>they could not obtain. They sell HTX-202 by the truckload and
>>they couldn't obtain parts?

>yep. all the parts are in the assembly line w/o spare stock. spare stock is a
> "bad thing" these days with just-in-time factories common throughout the
>electronics industry...

>Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
>Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
>Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
>Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.

I just ordered replacement screws for the back of the HTX-202. They said I
should have em in 5-10 days. Mutilated the heads with a Jewelers screwdriver
which is surprising.

<tsb>
                               Midgard Graphics
           3D Animation and Special FX for the hobbyist videographer
                          Email: [e-mail]

--
          Drop into #amigacafe on IRC's undernet for a chat sometime

--

<tsb>

                     A man of many hobby's master of none.




From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:14 1996
From: Joe Polchlopek <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RTTY software for PC
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:16:19 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4mb5l8$[e-mail]>

On 2 May 1996, Mick Ishmael wrote:

> D/l jvfax 7.1 and build THAT version. it has 2 caps at the input and DOES
> work. DO use a low noise op-amp.

Mick,

My friend rebuilt the demod with the correct op-amp and it's working fine
with HamCom now.  I'll download jvfax anyway and see what it's like.
Thanks for the reply.

--Joe

> : On Wed, 1 May 1996, BABB_LARRY wrote:
>
> : > I have a couple of older interfaces that I would sell cheap.. one is a
> : > Kantronices Interface II and I think I have the software for it..  I hav
e
> : > a couple of software programs for the Commodore.  I have an mfj program
> : > that they market for about $25.00 that works OK..  it runs under dos..
> : > and would work with any terminal type interface..  $50.00 and it is
> : > yours.. 73 de larry
> : > --
> : > Larry R. Babb K7NHA
> : > [e-mail]
> : > 4859 Elizabeth Ave.
> : > Chubbuck,  ID  83202
> : > [phone]
> : >
>
> :  --------------------------------------------------------------------
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> : |  http://www.netcom.duke.edu/~joe               fax [phone]  |

> : |  Duke University     Rm 117A TelCom Building     Durham, NC 27708  |
> :  --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

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From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:15 1996
From: [e-mail] (George)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,sci.electronics,rec.radio.pirates
Subject: Re: Seattle Quake Story At Ham Radio Online
Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 13:28:06 GMT
Message-ID: <4mia6i$[e-mail]>
References: <4mdd58$[e-mail]>


Why.They were not needed at that time.No one was killed.No phone lines
were down.Government radio was working just fine.
SO why?????

[e-mail] (Ed Mitchell) wrote:

>The 5.4 Seattle earthquake knocked out telephone and cellular communications
>systems, probably due to excessive call attempts. Amateur radio ARES and RACE
S
>nets went into operation immediately following the earthqauke.

>A complete story is now available at Ham Radio Online at
>http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm

>As are the start of May 1996 articles.

>Please come visit, its free and free of ads!
>
>------------------------
>Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
>personal email to [e-mail]
>Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
>http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm





From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:16 1996
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Sell out
Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 15:48:35 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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I am selling my entire station as one package. See it, test it, buy it.

Icom 751 with CW filters, RC-10 keypad $800

Icom 2KL Solid state 5OO watt amplifier $1300

Icom AT-500 automatic tuner $350

Cushcraft A3 Beam $300

Alliance Ham rotor $100

40 foot crank up tower $300

$3000 cash and I do mean cash. It all works and it is all connected.

I am bored with the hobby. The prices noted above are how I arrived at
the total, if you strongly disagee, tell me.



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Manhatten Bus mouse, to be used when you do not want to tie up a serial port.
Works with DOS and all versions of Windows, includes software and ALL
documentation. $20 PLUS shipping

Trident 8900 SVGA video card with 1 M memory. Includes software
and all documenation. $50


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From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:17 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Selling out of ham radio
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4lm3iu$[e-mail]> <4m8ero$[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 00:16:02 GMT

Roger Books, without reading the header sent the following to 6 newsgroups,
5 of which are non-amateur, wrote:

>Yeah and so?  Just as a data point.  I'm looking at getting a no-code tech
>license.  Of course, I have no interest what-so-ever in talking to anyone
>over radio.
>Do you really want to force me to learn
>code for this?

Huh? You don't have to know code to get the no-code tech license.

Okay, who left the back door open again - all the kooks are getting in.
Maybe we need to add a PL to this newsgroup.

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:18 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Selling out of ham radio
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 07:03:17 GMT

Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:

>>73 from Hawaii,
>>Jeff KH2PZ (ex NH6IL)

>Ah, finally upgraded I see.

Nope. Still a 20-year General (well, in August it will be 20 years).
Only the FCC mailing address changed. Remember, Pacific area Generals
are given KH#xx, NH#xx, and WH#xx calls.

>For once, I must agree with something Jeff says. The majority of
>HF operators are almost certainly grey muzzled. In 1990, the average
>age of US amateurs was 59.

Just a few articles ago someone said it was in the 40s. What's the
source of your stats?

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:19 1996
From: [e-mail](michael silva)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Selling out of ham radio
Date: 5 May 1996 16:30:18 GMT
Message-ID: <4mil2q$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4l0o2u$[e-mail]> <4l2mcs$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4l3 <4ll9h7$[e-mail]> <4lrrmv$[e-mail]>

In <4lrrmv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (robert bowman)
writes:

>...yes, if you can refer to a 50 khz slice of 80, 40, 15, and 10 as
>being on *most* of the HF bands.

Are you operating under special restrictions?  All other 5wpm hams get
600 kHz of HF on 4 bands.  By comparison the entire HF CB service gets
450 kHz on 1 band.

73,
Mike, KK6GM



From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:20 1996
From: [e-mail] (robert bowman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Selling out of ham radio
Date: 6 May 1996 14:39:14 GMT
Message-ID: <4ml2ui$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Curtis D. L
evin) says:
>there are still hams out there who cannot afford to buy a commercial rig,
>and still build HF rigs that talk to the world, out of tin cans, and
>scrounged up RS parts. How many guys do you know who can actually do that,
>and actually get a QSO ? Especially on morse code ?

well, i have wound coils on used shotgun shells, and went on the air
with a 102, 2222, 3053, and an ir510 straight from a very small RS. made
caps from glass and aluminum foil. designed and built a keyer from RS
parts. then built the key. worked 40 meter CW.

however, i did all the above because i enjoy that stuff. i don't think
homebrewing, or CW is necessary for the hobby. there is too much emphasis
on making someone's favorite aspect of the hobby a requirement for others
that have no interest in that area.


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:21 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Selling out of ham radio
Date: 7 May 1996 19:50:22 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4mo9hu$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mb75u$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4mbpb9$[e-mail]> <4mnddp$[e-mail]>

>Heck, we even have people in our club, in their TWENTIES who are die-
hard
>CW afficinados. Of course, they have been licensed since they were
>teenagers, and are not johnny-come-latelys who don't like the rules so
>they figure they'll whine and bitch to get things changed.

For every one of these folks, I can show you 10 more who don't care about
code, are turned off by code, and resent the fact that YE OLDE FAHRTZ
continue to require them to learn an outdated, obsolete method of
communication just because "I had to learn it so you do too."

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:22 1996
From: [e-mail] (Richard E Stealey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Status of r.r.swap.boatanchors???
Date: 4 May 1996 20:03:37 GMT
Message-ID: <4mgd6p$[e-mail]>
References: <4m63v6$[e-mail]>

Sean McCarthy ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Anyone know the status of the request for a boatanchors news group?

: Anxiously awaiting,
: Sean, wx8l

Check out postings in this newsgroup that begin with "BA"
I am posting all the details now.

And to participate in a virtual newsgroup until we get our own
preface any boatanchors-type post with the letters BA to catch
the attention of boatanchor enthusiasts - or to allow others with
killfile capability to put it to good use !

Rick  KT2Q
Lover of boatanchors and proponent of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors



From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:23 1996
From: [e-mail] (Leigh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Still looking for 10 meter calling frequency
Date: 5 May 1996 02:12:49 GMT
Message-ID: <4mh2r1$[e-mail]>
References: <4met0f$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

: Jim Metcalf wrote:
: >
: > I am still trying to find out what the current 10 meter calling
: > frequencys are.....any help.?.. WH6JP....  also for the current cycle
: > to be at the bottom... there has been strong  openings from Hawaii to
: > Japan, China and Indonesia the last several days from Hawaii   JIM

During the peak of the last cycle, around 1990, I noticed that 28.400
appeared to be an informal North American calling frequency, and that
28.495 appeared to be the Novice band DX calling frequency.

In the Novice CW band 28.150 appeared to be a calling freq for those
calling CW in CW; 28.060 is the recognized CQ QRP calling freq in the
General CW band.

Glad to hear that KH6-land is getting some 10 meter DX:  here in W6-land,
I've not heard much recently except for a sole ZL and a few weak South
American stations.

73.  --Leigh Marrin/KM6JE in Santa Barbara.



From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:24 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: pitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tektronic 492 Spetrum Analyzer
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:49:30 GMT

Works great, Presently using it w/ Police/FD Scanner for
finding new frequencies.
New $14000 Want- $1500 or OBO
Open for sale until May 14, 1996 - After that it's off to
the Pawn Shop.
Reply via E-Mail & Only if interested in buying.



From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:25 1996
From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: This Week in Amateur Radio #162 (for air through 5/10/96)
Date: Fri, 3 May 96 23:18:50 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Here is a summary of news items covered on edition #162 of
"This Week in Amateur Radio", North America's most up-to-the-minute
audio bulletin service, for the week ending 10-May:
-
1.   FCC to Open Gate 1 of Long-awaited Vanity Call Sign Program
2.   ARRL Re-seated on QPC, Differences Settled
3.   Part 15 High-speed Digital Devices to Use 350 MHz at 5 GHz
4.   Special Event Station Calendar with George Bowen, N2LQS
5.   League President Appoints New Hudson Division Vice Director
6.   New PC Standard Promises True "Plug'n'Play" Peripherals
7.   "Gateway 160 Meter Net Report" with Vern Jackson, WA0RCR
8.   NBC Moves to Bar Amateur and Other RF Devices from Olympics
9.   Motorola's "Iridium" System May QRM Radioastronomy
10.  "The RAIN Dial-up" from Chicago
11.  RAC Board Forms New Section, Seeks to Increase Membership
12.  "Amateur Radio Newsline" - Edition #977 from Los Angeles
13.  Weekly Propagation Forecast
-
"This Week in Amateur Radio" is a weekly amateur voice bulletin
service, produced by Community Video Associates, Inc., a New York
State not-for-profit corporation based in Albany, NY.  The program
is heard each Saturday at 8:00 PM (EDT) and carried on VHF/UHF
repeaters throughout North America and on 160 meters at 1860 kHz.
Contact your local amateur radio club or repeater operator if
"This Week in Amateur Radio" is not being heard in your area.
-
NOTICE:  Due to the dissolution of the "Tech Talk Network", the
service WILL NOT be carried on satellite.  Negotiations for the
donation or lease of satellite space continue in earnest.  When a
new agreement is reached, "This Week in Amateur Radio" will return
to satellite air.  Details will be posted as conditions warrant.
All affiliates are requested to contact the producers for further
information.
-
Production and transmission expenses are underwritten by donations
from repeater operators, amateur radio clubs, and individuals.
Further information is available from George Bowen, N2LQS, at
518/283-3665 (e-mail [e-mail]) or Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB,
at 518/664-6809 (e-mail [e-mail]).  You may also reach
them @ WA2UMX.FN32AW.ENY.NY.USA.NA via amateur packet.


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:26 1996
From: [e-mail] (PAT WILSON)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Trivia #1
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 02 May 96 17:49:00 -0400
Distribution: world
Reply-To: [e-mail] (PAT WILSON)
References: <[e-mail]>

->
-> When you fall asleep during a contact?
-> .-.                                                               .-.
-> /   \           .-.                                 .-.           /
-> \ /     \         /   \       .-.     _     .-.       /   \         /
->     \ /--Burt Fisher
-> K1OIK--------/---\---/-\---/---\-----/-----\[e-mail]\       \
->     /       \   /     `-'   `-'     \   /       \     /
->         \   /         `-'                     `-'         \   /
->          `-'                                               `-'

How would YOU know?


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:27 1996
From: Garth Wiscombe <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: TS-520
Date: 7 May 1996 02:20:47 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4mmc1v$7l7@NEWSnewsNeWsnEwS>
References: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]



[e-mail] wrote:
>Anyone tell me the pins that are normally jumpered on the little
>round dummy plug (7-pin subminiature tube type socket) ?  This plug
>must be in the socket if an external VFO is not being used.
>
>Thanks
>Paul
>wb2oyc
>
--
Hi Paul,

My manual shows that pins 8 and 9 are jumpered on the dummy plug for the
VFO.

Have fun and enjoy.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
                            *   *    *   *   *
Garth Wiscombe, KA7MHN /\  /\ *    *   /  /    /  Office     801 265-5057
Salt Lake City        /  \/  \ /\     ----/\---   Cellular   801 631-8675
Utah  84119-6032     /\   \   \  \   /  / || /    Home       801 967-3236
USA                 /  \   \   \  \       ||      FAX        [phone]
                   /    \   \   \  \      ||      E-mail  [e-mail]
                             73 de Garth KA7MHN

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++




From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:28 1996
From: [e-mail] (JJ Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Call Gate 1 Begins
Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 17:53:17 GMT
Message-ID: <4ml3p0$[e-mail]>
References: <4mga3v$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] wrote:

>To:  All

>Gate 1 of the Vanity Call Sign System begins May 31, 1996.
>Send your requests on FCC Form 610-V along with $30.00 to:

>FCC
>Amateur Vanity Call Sign Request
>P. O. Box 358924
>Pittsburgh, PA 15251-5924

Yeah, but don't  send them in until the AFTER the gate actually opens.
They will be disregarded if submitted before May 31, 1996.  Carerfully
read the information that comes with the 610-V if you want to avoid
any heartache, stomach ache, or what-have-you.



From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:29 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls -- What gate???
Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 21:07:08 GMT
Message-ID: <4mg9g3$[e-mail]>
References: <4kb91k$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Jim Weir) wrote:


>Anybody have a clue what gate the FCC is currently accepting for
>vanities?

>Jim

Jim, Gate one opens May 31, 1996. If you qualify for Gate one send
$30.00 with your 610-V to:
Federal Communications Commission
Amateur Vanity Call Sign Request
P. O. Box 358924
Pittsburgh, PA 15251-5924

As you may know Gate one is for former holders, relatives of deceased
operators, and  request for club calls. See Fact Sheet PR5000 Number
206-V for further information.

Jim




>Jim Weir VP Engineering | You bet your sweet patootie I speak for the
>RST Engineering         | company.  If I don't, ain't nobody gonna.
>Grass Valley CA 95945   |
>http://www.rst-engr.com | AR Adv WB6BHI--FCC 1/C phone--Cessna 182A N73CQ
>[e-mail]        | Commercial/CFI-Airplane/Glider-----A&P Mechanic





From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:30 1996
From: Software Engineering Department <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.ham-radio.packet,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: WANTED: Radio attachments for creating standlaone data networks...
Date: 3 May 1996 07:09:04 GMT
Message-ID: <4mcbeg$[e-mail]>


I'm looking for commercial off the shelf products that can be
attached to HF/VHF radios to turn them into network nodes on a
standalone RF data network.  Any suggestions/comments would be
greatly appreciated.  The protocol used by the attachments is
not critial, although I would prefer a standard one.  Crypto
support would be nice.



Benjamin Fan
Siemens Plessey Electronic Systems Australia
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:31 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Ricky Scott)
Subject: WB7EHK - Where are you
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 19:56:39 GMT

Anyone know the new callsign (not in database) or location of WB7EHK last
known to be at Whidbey Island NAS around 1985 or so.

Thanks

--
Ricky J. Scott

I dont speak for my company and they do not speak for me
We like it that way and so do their Lawyers.


From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:32 1996
From: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: What's new at QRZ.COM
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 04 May 96 23:03:00 -0400
Distribution: world
Reply-To: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)


To: [e-mail]
Subject: What's new at QRZ.COM

FL>QRZ V7 introduces an all-new Windows 95 interface with tons of new
features.  >The official release date is June 1st.

Does that mean that V7 will not work with 3.11 WFWG?  If so, that'll
take me out of the picture...

---
   OLX 1.53   -------------->    73, de NK2U    <----------------
 * Origin: CyberNet BBS   Lyndhurst, NJ (1:2604/151)

              .....oooooOOOOOo         http://www.intac.com/~cono
      __,-----. ---+_________#_     The Roy Hobbs BBS [e-mail]
     |________| |__|___________}          Node 1: 201-641-7307
      ooooo oo ~ ooO-O-O-O == oo\         Node 2: 201-641-3126



From [e-mail] Tue May 07 19:45:33 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jeremy Boot)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WWW Pages
Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 18:18:51 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

The local server programme which processes forms has thrown a wobbly
this weekend, so if I've missed anyone's messages, please be patient.

        http://www.innotts.co.uk/~asperges/

The pages are still functioning fine however and have been recently
updated. If you haven't visited yet, do please drop by.

73 de
Jeremy G4NJH
[e-mail]
[Am Radio, SWL pages: http://www.innotts.co.uk/~asperges/ ]



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:01 1996
From: [e-mail] (gudmundur)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: **help, need GPS info**
Date: 8 May 1996 04:17:44 GMT
Message-ID: <4mp798$[e-mail]>

I am searching for recommendations on make and model of GPS receiver
to buy. Unit must have digital interface port and be hand held or
at least very small for mobile and marine use. Also I need information
on pc compatible "mapping" and "where am I" software to use in tracking
my movements and displaying my position on a map with only GPS data
input as my referance. Looking for good VGA map display with my current
location indicated. Will also be using KPC-3 with GPS rom upgrade
to send position information back to camp.  Thanks and 73    KD3SH



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:01 1996
From: Edward Oros <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10 meter calling frenquency ??
Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 21:17:05 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4mccor$[e-mail]> <4mlrt9$[e-mail]>

Tim Taylor wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (Jim Metcalf) wrote:
>
> >Aloha, I forget, what is the 10 meter calling frequency, also
> >any web sites for 10 meters ?  I have been on 10 for over
> >20 years, but off the last 3, cant wait for the next cycle !!!
> >JIM  WH6JP,   was K6TUU for more years than I wish to remember.

To find activity on 10 meters check out the information posted at...

         http://www/4w.com/ham/antenna

It shows where to listen and when to listen for signals.


73 --- AC3L
Ed


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:02 1996
From: [e-mail] (Tim Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10 meter calling frenquency ??
Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 22:46:47 GMT
Message-ID: <4mlrt9$[e-mail]>
References: <4mccor$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Jim Metcalf) wrote:

>Aloha, I forget, what is the 10 meter calling frequency, also
>any web sites for 10 meters ?  I have been on 10 for over
>20 years, but off the last 3, cant wait for the next cycle !!!
>JIM  WH6JP,   was K6TUU for more years than I wish to remember.
I Spend all my mobile time on 48.450.  The only call freqs are up
higher in the 29.500 range.  Try 29.600 FM as a call freq too.

Tim KJ7AZ



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:04 1996
From: [e-mail] (Robin Birch)
Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 1154s and Aerials
Date: 10 May 1996 22:42:38 +0100
Message-ID: <4n0d8e$[e-mail]>

Dear All,
I am just finishing the rebuild of an 1154/55 combo.  This shuld be on
the air in a couple of weeks and I need some advice.  Has anybody
any experience of:

1)      Coupling an 1154 to a 50 ohm antenna?.
2)      Filters capable of keeping it just about legal from the
        harmonic point of view.

I would appreciate the circuits for either of the above.  I would rather
build the necessary matching and filtering circuits.  I'm a masochist
that way.

I would also like to take the opportunity to repeat my regular plea for bits.
If anybody has any 1154/55 parts, particuarly meters, please let me know.
I can give them a good home.

73
Robin Birch



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:05 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai)
Subject: Re: AD: Mods 4 Sales
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mqe4e$[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 17:57:15 GMT

In article <4mqe4e$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (BucherJ) writes
:
-The Mods I currently have for your equipment is:
[List deleted]

-       If you wish to order the mods please send $5 (check or money
-order) for each radio model (1 radio= $5, 2 radio's = $10, etc.) to:

Just to let everyone know that most of these mods are available free
from the BARC ftp site (ftp.barc.otg (aka. oak.oakland.edu) under
pub/hamradio/mods, on the QRZ CD and web site, and from many other
places.
/mike

PS. If you have any mods you want to add to the BARC site, send them to
Cheyenne at [e-mail].

--
\|/     Michael L. Ardai        N1IST       [e-mail]     \|/
-*- --- Boston Amateur Radio Club:  http://www.barc.org/barc --- -*-
/|\        or send "info barc-list" to [e-mail]        /|\


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:05 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Are telephone DTMF the same as our DTMF>
Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 14:12:27 GMT
Message-ID: <4mnlnf$[e-mail]>
References: <4kprr5$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:


>Huh? TouchTone (R) (which later became known as DTMF) is a US invention
>from back in the early 70s.


>Jeff KH2PZ

I was working on DTMF Touchtone circuitry in the 1968 time frame at
Motorola.

cdn


           C. Dean Norris
      Amateur Radio Station K7NO
      e-mail to [e-mail]
    http://www.syspac.com/~dnorris/



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:06 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BA - BOATANCHORS Newsgroup status
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 05 May 96 11:06:37 PDT
References: <4mgdg0$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Distribution: world

[e-mail] (Richard E Stealey) writes:

> About 3 weeks ago I volunteered to create a new newsgroup proposal and
> started the long processes of getting it voted in.  I DID submit a proposal
> (called a request for discussion, RFD) and uunet referred it to a
> committee, called group-advice, for comment.  They recommended "antiques"
> instead of boatanchors, because they are concerned about the name having
> a clear understanding worldwide, and among readers who are not necessarily
> hams.

Group advice may mean well but they are a bunch of insufferable idiots
who are bent on "organizing" newsgroup names to their notions of
"order". For example, they have "given" us the stupid set of
rec.autos.makers hierarcy, which adds a wholly unnecessary and
superfluos level, changing rec.autos.vw to rec.autos.makers.vw for one.

They don't necessarily know anything about the culture of the newsgroup
that want to impose their views on.

> I asked if they would condsider "classics" as a compromise
> (now I'm sorry I did) and they said it was tolerable.  Then after
> discussing with some folks who were interested in helping me, we
> decided to go ahead with boatanchors and I resubmitted.  That is when
> I got a VERY serious response from one of the group-advice members
> saying they would allow the RFD to go through but would vote against
> it and would encourage others to vote against it.
>

That's unfortunate, because while they are often anal-retentive, they
also may influence a lot of people who don't know any better. I do,
however support the choice of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchor as the best
choice for the newsgroup name. It's meaning is certainly clear to hams,
and anyone who finds the group in the rec.radio.amateur hierarcy ought
to expect the group to be about amateur radios.

> There was a release of RFDs 5/2/96 and ours was not included.  So right
> now we are just waiting.  I have been told by someone who is quite
> experienced that we should be patient.
>

Yes, but don't be bamboozled into accepting "group-advice" (advice,
hell, they try to enforce their damn "advice"!). You certainly have the
right to propose the newsgroup of your, not their, choice.

> Lover of boatanchors, and proponent of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors

Likewise.



[e-mail]                             __|
Robert Smits                                _/. |\
(VE7HS)                CQ CQ CQ !!!        <   (0)
                                       _   /__    |
                                      ( ) <_______/
                                       \ \/       \__


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:08 1996
From: William W Janssen <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BA - Modulated Oscilaltor
Date: 9 May 1996 09:39:52 GMT
Message-ID: <4mseh8$[e-mail]>
References: <4mgdia$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4mr0mm$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Bob Duckworth) wrote:

>
>I've since come up with a XTAL and a 100TH and a 6L6 and a
>microwave oven transformer. Should be able to get about 200W
>out of the two tubes.
>It's this weekends project....
>
> Bob

Let me (and maybe others) know how you make out with that
transformer. I THINK you will have problems and I want to
know how you solved them.

Been there - tried that - gave up.

Bill K7NOM



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:09 1996
From: [e-mail](michael silva)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BA - Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 7 May 1996 04:47:06 GMT
Message-ID: <4mmkka$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joseph Feng)
writes:

>...question the motives of those who would insist on using
>"boatanchors" in the name.  As I pointed out, there are reasonable
>alternatives.

The only motive I have is that it is without doubt the most understood
and meaningful name possible for the new group.  "Antiques" doesn't
cover it -- my 1975 HW-101 is a boatanchor but it's not an antique
according to any understanding I have of the word.  "Classics" has been
mentioned, but a BA doesn't have to have anything "classic" about it --
some ugly monstrosity whipped up in a garage can still be very much a
boatanchor.

As for the name not having universal meaning, I point to the
rec.radio.amateur.homebrew group as evidence that this is -not-
necessary.  I've never seen a "what is homebrewing" post there (though
they do get about one beer-brewing post a year, despite the word
"radio" in the group name).  I think the precedent of the
r.r.a.homebrew group is the strongest reason to stick to the
"boatanchor" name as the most meaningful one for the new group.

73,
Mike, KK6GM



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:10 1996
From: George Sereikas <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BA - Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 11 May 1996 00:12:36 GMT
Message-ID: <4n0m1k$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Well....each to their own, and each to their own opinion. I
respectfully disagree with the position that you take. I LOVE
boatanchors and they are definitely NOT obsolete. I use mine all
the time. I do agree that boatanchors is an affectionate term,
but stop your thought there.....Obsolete just doesn't fit here.

Now, as far as the porch and if they called their reflector
"doorstops" I would STILL vote that the name for the newsgroup
should be "boatanchors". I don't think this idea has anything to
do with the reflector....it just so happens that boatanchors is a
good name for what we are talking about...So, there you have
it....let's hear it: Go Boatanchors! May they live forever!!

George
KC2MF
"2 Modes Forever"....(who needs more?)




From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:11 1996
From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Beam Heading Info
Date: Mon, 06 May 96 13:19:45 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mi8fo$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

In article <4mi8fo$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Walt Davidson" writes:


>               There is also a list along these lines in the RSGB
> "Amateur Radio Operating Manual", with the origin at London, England.

Thanks for this pointer and I'll follow it up.  Maybe I'll also be told how
to operate. It's must be about time I learned :-)

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:12 1996
From: [e-mail]  (Jim Reisert AD1C)
Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Beam Heading Info
Date: 11 May 1996 15:30:42 GMT
Message-ID: <4n2br2$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mi8fo$[e-mail]> <4mn2gt$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Jim Reisert AD1C)

E-mail me your latitude and longitude and I'll send you a printout in return
E-mail.

73 - Jim AD1C

--
Jim Reisert <[e-mail]>
http://www.tiac.net/users/ad1c/



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:13 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jerry B. Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Check out this article...
Date: 6 May 1996 22:29:29 -0400
Message-ID: <4mmci9$[e-mail]>
References: <4ltu67$[e-mail]> <4mdv64$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4ml61n$[e-mail]>

In article <4ml61n$[e-mail]>,
Bob Duckworth <[e-mail]> wrote:
>If one agrees that a gate is required, what could be more unbiased than
>Morse (except maybe esperanto?).

v
Cu vi parlas esperanton?

How about, just having the current test elements without Morse, or making
the current ones a bit harder, or Len Winkler's idea of *all* of the
current elements but no Morse exam.

But, only if it's true you need a gate to HF (as opposed to
VHF/UHF/nosebleed).

This is a policy issue. Please respect the Followup-to: line.

>-bob

//jbaltz
--
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]                KE3ML


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:14 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Check out this article...
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4ltu67$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4mdv64$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 04:11:45 GMT

[e-mail] (Bob Duckworth) writes:
>HF is basically the horse lane when it comes to communications.

Really? I can't detect too much difference between the QSOs on
HF SSB and VHF FM, except that the conversations on HF tend to
be a bit more technical and cultural.

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:15 1996
From: [e-mail] (JJ Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Check out this article...
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 19:03:15 GMT
Message-ID: <4n5246$[e-mail]>
References: <4ltu67$[e-mail]> <4m8056$[e-mail]> <4m8lq3$[e-mail]> <4ml81g$[e-mail]> <4mnsm8$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Cecil,

With all due respect, let your father speak for himself please.  Some
of us may have phyical handicaps/limitations but we don't wear them on
our sleeves or display them for everyone else to see [intentionally or
otherwise].  I'm sure your father really appreciates you using his
limitation to make your  point.  Are you trying to get the
"normally-blessed" [whatever that is] to feel sorry for the others?

Let those others speak for themselves, I bet they have more pride than
to let someone who has little or no limitations to speak for them.  I
can certainly speak for me.  The limitation is in the mind of the
speaker.

If the shoes don't fit you, stay out of them...okay?
____________________________________________

[e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore~) wrote:

>In article <4ml81g$[e-mail]>,
>Tom Randolph <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>Anyone can learn to
>>ride a motorcycle or do CW. No one gets to pick where they're born. I hope w
e
>>all can appreciate the difference...

>Hi Tom, Methinks you do not appreciate the difference. My dad is 85 years
>old and drives a car in his small hometown in Texas. He has Parkenson's
>and certainly cannot learn to ride a motorcycle. Sounds to me like you
>don't acknowledge the existence of physical and mental handicaps. To the
>best of my knowledge, no one gets to pick whether they have Parkenson's
>or not.

>When are all you normally-blessed people going to stop repeating the lie
>that "Anyone can learn to ride a motorcycle or do CW"?

Okay... no one can learn to ride a motorcycle or do CW.   Feel better?
Woops!  Another lie.....DAMN!

>73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)




From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:16 1996
From: Kenneth Proffitt <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: correction
Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 21:05:10 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Can you tell when a homosexual lisps doing cw?  You can't the rest
should follow the previous message.  You may reply to my email address.

Thanks.  Ken :)


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:17 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Cursing on 2 meters
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4lp86p$[e-mail]> <4lqu8t$[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 03:28:52 GMT

In article <4lqu8t$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>The best course of action you can take is to operate *YOUR* station
>according to the law and in the best tradition of amateur radio...

...along with a 16 element beam backed up with a 100w amp operating
into the offending repeater. Then the criminals won't be able to
jam you and will *have* to sit and listen to a good operator. They
might even learn some good operating practices! But make sure you
have something interesting to say.

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:18 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bil Morrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,ti.rec.radio
Subject: Re: D/FW code practice?
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 15:38:14 +1000
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4meka1$[e-mail]>

In article <4meka1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (KC5GGV) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (KC5GGV)
>Subject: D/FW code practice?
>Date: 3 May 1996 23:52:33 -0400

>I am interested in finding someone in the D/FW area to do some code
>practice with.  We could use simplex 2m or novice HF bands.  An

/\/\/\/\/\/ chainsaw used here /\/\/\/\/\/\

>Coy  KV5GGV

Coy,

Works for me.  I want my Extra class ticket before Field Day.  How about
Friday evenings on 3.720 mHz +/_ 3 kHz @ 10 PM CDT?  Will work any op, any
speed, any Novice sub-band (don't have any 2M all mode gear).

Hey you TI'ers out there.... Troy, Mitchell, & cast of several, working on
General class - let's bag some QSO's!

73,
Bil Morrison, KK5AO            1979 Yamaha XS750SF (Vroom)
Texas Instruments               1976 Yamaha RD250 (Wing-ding)
Email: [e-mail]
"Everything I like is either illegal, immoral, or fattening".
Std. disclaimer: TI doesn't speak for me, I don't speak for them


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:19 1996
From: [e-mail] (Alan Jakub)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Dayton Hamvention (WHEN IS IT?)
Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 22:35:31 GMT
Message-ID: <4mluqu$[e-mail]>

HELP!!!
I am trying to find out when the HamVention is being held at Dayton.
Alan Jakub

Alan Jakub - Computer Consultant for JCS Computer Services
Call [phone] for more H E L P!!!



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:19 1996
From: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Do we have any young hams
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 08 May 96 21:32:00 -0400
Distribution: world
Reply-To: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)


To: [e-mail]
Subject: Do we have any young hams (was Re: Dying off)

J>Anybody care to speculate on this?  (As if an invite was needed...)
 >Just how do we pry young folks away from computer games and the web
 >to do HF, code and 1200 baud packet?

You can't!  Young people today have too short of an attention span to
be interested in anything that does not constantly flicker and make
exploding noises.
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 * Origin: CyberNet BBS   Lyndhurst, NJ (1:2604/151)

              .....oooooOOOOOo         http://www.intac.com/~cono
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     |________| |__|___________}          Node 1: 201-641-7307
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From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:21 1996
From: Christopher Dickens <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Do we have any young hams
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 23:36:08 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

ROLAND STINER wrote:
> J>Anybody care to speculate on this?  (As if an invite was needed...)
>  >Just how do we pry young folks away from computer games and the web
>  >to do HF, code and 1200 baud packet?
>
> You can't!  Young people today have too short of an attention span to
> be interested in anything that does not constantly flicker and make
> exploding noises.

I resemble that remark!  Being young is a vague indicator anyway, but I
will say this.  I became interested in HAM radio about 16 years of age.
It really is quite a task to practice for the Technician license which
is what I want to use the 2-meter band, etc.  I've held off until now,
and am very seriously reconsidering picking up the book and making
myself get these tests down and go nab my license.  I'm currently 18
years old to give you an idea of how long ago I am talking about. 8-)

I actually have quite a bit of material, but actually am worried that
they may have revisited the tests and I'll need new material.  Any ideas
on this?

Also, if anyone cares to shed light on just HOW can you come up with
your own Vanity Callsign?  Do you just slap a few letters on the
beginning and end of your region?  (Mine being 4)  Thanks for all
assistance!


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:21 1996
From: [e-mail] (JJ Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Do we have any young hams (was Re: Dying off)
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 19:06:39 GMT
Message-ID: <4n52ai$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mbpb9$[e-mail]> <4mc36p$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4mng8d$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

I've only been a ham for 15 years.  That make me a young "ham" doesn't
it?  I'd say all these new people are really, really young hams...

   de jim, wk1v
________________________________

[e-mail] (Matt Roberts) wrote:

>I just crossed the 20 year mark...does that qualify as "young?"
>----
>Matt Roberts, KK5JY,
>[e-mail]







From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:22 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Dying off
Date: Tue, 7 May 96 01:43:14 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4l0o2u$[e-mail]> <4l0oim$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4lmsrj$5dq@ <[e-mail]> <4ml2ds$[e-mail]>

robert bowman <[e-mail]> writes:

>check dictionary for 'hyperbole'

Check dictionary for "making silly statements".


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:23 1996
From: Ed Hare <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Annouces Vanity Gate 1 Opening Date - May 31, 1996
Date: 8 May 1996 16:07:16 GMT
Message-ID: <4mqgrk$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4ml3aq$[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:

>If one wants dad's Extra Class callsign, then first study study study to
>become an extra.

If Dad was an Extra, that is what Dad did. :-)

73, Ed Hare, KA1CV





From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:24 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Charles A. Hewson)
Subject: FM Repeaters Santa Barbara CA
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 03:11:43 GMT

        I will be in area on vacation. Is there an open repeater directory
posted on the internet?

Charles A. Hewson
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:24 1996
From: "Douglas P. Regulinski" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS: Icom IC-2SRA
Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 21:30:59 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

For Sale:

Icom IC-2SRA

* 2m and 25-950 Mhz continuous AM FM WFM scanner in one package
* Very good condition with very light use
* Original packaging and documentation

If you are intersted, please email or phone.

Doug
[e-mail]
[phone] 8AM-midnight EDT only please


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:25 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: HELP TEACHING CW CLASS
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <4mlbtc$[e-mail]> <1996May7.083507.1@leif> <4mr980$[e-mail]> <4ms0ka$[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 15:48:27 GMT

In article <4ms0ka$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (WB
3U) writes:
>   [e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore~) wrote:
>
>>Hi guys, an Instructograph worked for me. They advertised in the
>>1957 ARRL Handbook. :-) Seriously, SuperMorse should be a good
>>start.
>
>Just wondering if I'm the only person in the history of ham radio
>who learned code by memorizing the table in the ARRL Handbook?  At
>the time I took the test, I didn't have a computer, a receiver or
>even a code practice oscillator.
>
>73,
>Jack  WB3U

Gee, I memorized Morse from a table in the encyclopedia at the
local library when I was 10. I didn't find out for a year that
hams don't use Morse (they use the International Code instead)
and that I'd memorized the wrong code.

I even made a sounder and a key from descriptions in the
encyclopedia and practiced every day with them. A retired
railroad telegraph operator on the next farm helped me practice.
We even ran a wire between our houses and powered it with 'A'
batteries. He had a real sounder and key, mine were made
from cut up tin cans and nails wrapped with wire on a pine
board.

About a year later, I met a ham, and found out I was doing
it all wrong. I still sometimes write down 'C' when I hear
.. .  (though I prefer to think of it as cliclack cliclack
<pause> cliclack). I've never been comfortable with this
beeping stuff.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:27 1996
From: Gary Ross Hoffman <gary@carcs3>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HELP TEACHING CW CLASS
Date: 9 May 1996 13:37:36 GMT
Message-ID: <4mssf0$[e-mail]>
References: 4mlbtc$[e-mail]> <1996May7.083507.1@leif> <4mr980$[e-mail]>

I think a very good approach might be to introduce Wheeler's
"Code QuiK" technique. This associates CW sounds with English
phrases (L = "di-dah-di-dit" = "a LIGHT is lit", etcetera).
It got me past the 5 wpm barrier in a hurry. "Code Quik" is
advertised in several amateur magazines. You might phone Wheeler
and ask him for permission to use his technique in your class
(it might help to buy one of his packages).
- Gary


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:27 1996
From: [e-mail] (Greg)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help with Kenwood TR-7625 Radio.
Date: 7 May 1996 01:16:01 -0700
Message-ID: <4mn0s1$[e-mail]>
References: <4mjqvd$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Jacques Patry <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Greg wrote:
>>
>> Hello all. I need some help with a Kenwood Radio that I purchased at a
>> ham fest this weekend. What I need to know is how to set the tones in
>> the radio. It has the tone board installed but the radio came without
>> a manual. What I need to know is how to set the tones up on this
>> radio. Any help will be appriciated.
>>
>> 73
>Go to http://www.ultranet.com/~jacques/  they may be able to help. Give
>it a couple of days.

Well I am not looking for someone to repair my radio. It works fine. I
am looking for the procedure to set the pl tones in it.

73




From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:29 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Help with Morse Code
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <4mocl3$[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 16:47:43 GMT

In article <4mocl3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rory Edge) w
rites:
>I've decided to take a shot at learning Morse Code with the
>intention of applying for a license in a couple of months.  I
>don't know much about Morse Code or radio, except that I use
>an SSB marine radio sometimes.  I did read an article that said
>that Morse should be learned at a rapid character rate, which
>makes sense.  I have a software program that purports to
>teach Morse called NuMorse.  Is this program good or is there
>something better?  Should I get a keyer and oscillator?  What kind
>of keyer?  What make?  Any advice would be appreciated.  Thanks.

The code you describe is Farnsworth Code. The character elements
are similar to the International Morse Code at 18 WPM, but the
spacing elements are much longer than those required for Morse
so that the average time to send one minute's worth of text is
similar to 5 WPM (or 13 WPM) International Morse Code.

Now Farnsworth Code isn't Morse Code, but it is what the ARRL VEC
uses for its tests, so if you're going to test before an ARRL VE
team, you'd better learn it that way.

The computer program most people recomend is called SuperMorse.
It is available on many ftp sites. It understands Farnsworth
Code.

I'd *strongly* suggest that you resist the temptation to get a
keyer right away for two reasons. First, the test doesn't require
a demonstration of sending, so you needn't bother to learn to send
in order to be licensed. Sending is a mechanical process, and forces
you to think in terms of dots and dashes. You don't want to do that
while you are learning the Code. You want to learn characters as
distinct *sounds*, not as just combinations of dots and dashes.

Second, if you do want to learn to send, start with a manual hand key
(after you've learned to *copy* good machine sent code). Try to make
your sending as perfect as the computer's sending. Once you've mastered
this sense of timing, switching to a keyer will be easy. But if you
learn first on a keyer, you won't have that good sense of timing that
you need, and will have trouble sending good Code even with the aid of
the keyer.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:30 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Here To help each other?
Date: 9 May 1996 07:30:04 GMT
Message-ID: <4ms6ts$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4ml6ua$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Jake Brodsky ([e-mail]) wrote:

<snip.... read backwards if interested>

: Smile when you say that Jim.  He wrote that code of ethics you'll
: see in the first few pages of almost every ARRL Handbook ever printed.
: (Could this be part of the problem?)

: 73,

: Jake Brodsky, AB3A, <[e-mail]>
: "Beware of the massive impossible!"

Jake,

     I smile at everything. What good is life without a smile ?

73, Jim KH2D



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:31 1996
From: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How to tell if you are a
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 08 May 96 21:32:00 -0400
Distribution: world
Reply-To: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)


To: [e-mail]
Subject: How to tell if you are a loser

BF>9. You are a typical ham radio operator.

Burt, this does not fit.  You can do better than that.
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 * Origin: CyberNet BBS   Lyndhurst, NJ (1:2604/151)

              .....oooooOOOOOo         http://www.intac.com/~cono
      __,-----. ---+_________#_     The Roy Hobbs BBS [e-mail]
     |________| |__|___________}          Node 1: 201-641-7307
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From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:31 1996
From: [e-mail] (John R. Cunliffe)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to tell if you are a loser
Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 13:00:20 GMT
Message-ID: <4mq5qk$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>                    How can you tell if you are a loser

>1. You are divorced and think you are not at all at fault.

>2. You are fat and think it is not your fault.

>3. You think alcoholism is a disease.

>4. You hit your spouse.

>5. You hit your children.

>6. You are a child molester and think you ought not kill yourself.

>7. You ever drove drunk.

>8. You own a gun "for protection" but do not live in a dangerous area.

>9. You are a typical ham radio operator.

>10. You are proud of being a homosexual.

>11. You are a member of N.O.W.

>12. You smoke.

>13. You take illegal drugs.

>Please feel free to add your own.
>

Youre Burt Fisher

=====================================
John R. Cunliffe  N2NEP
[e-mail]
http://www.frontiernet.net/~cunliffe




From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:32 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to tell if you are a loser
Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 00:17:31 GMT
Message-ID: <4mrdhr$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>                    How can you tell if you are a loser

>1. You are divorced and think you are not at all at fault.

>2. You are fat and think it is not your fault.

>3. You think alcoholism is a disease.

>4. You hit your spouse.

>5. You hit your children.

>6. You are a child molester and think you ought not kill yourself.

>7. You ever drove drunk.

>8. You own a gun "for protection" but do not live in a dangerous area.

>9. You are a typical ham radio operator.

>10. You are proud of being a homosexual.

>11. You are a member of N.O.W.

>12. You smoke.

>13. You take illegal drugs.

>Please feel free to add your own.
>


1432.3   You create lists!
           C. Dean Norris
      Amateur Radio Station K7NO
      e-mail to [e-mail]
    http://www.syspac.com/~dnorris/



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:33 1996
From: Scott Mosher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ICOM Z1A expanded Tx mod
Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 09:13:23 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

I did the mod last night, so if anyone else is having trouble, feel free
to ask me!
--
************************************************************************ Scott
 Mosher                   |
 Technical Support              |       Peace through
 Cybersmith, Inc.               |           superior firepower!
 [e-mail]   KB2YUC     |
************************************************************************


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:34 1996
From: Scott Mosher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ICOM-Z1A mod
Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 11:41:48 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Has anyone done the extended Tx mod for the Z1A??  I've got a description of i
t with diagrams and
everything, but when I open the radio, I can't find anything that matches it o
n the boards.

Any help/response would be greatly appreciated!
--
************************************************************************
 Scott Mosher                   |
 Technical Support              |       Peace through
 Cybersmith, Inc.               |           superior firepower!
 [e-mail]   KB2YUC     |
************************************************************************


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:35 1996
From: [e-mail] (Patty Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: KA9Q Copyright Question
Date: 11 May 1996 20:14:42 -0700
Message-ID: <4n3l32$[e-mail]>
References: <4mqede$[e-mail]>
Keywords: KA9Q copyright

In article <4mqede$[e-mail]>,
Richard Matthias <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Can I use it in a commercial product as long as I
>give credit to Phil Karn?

Nope. You need a license from Phil.


>Is its use restricted to non-commercial use?

Its *free* use is. You can use it commercially if you license it.

As John Gilbert pointed out, you should contact Phil for details.


Patty


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From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:36 1996
From: [e-mail] (Robert Rockwell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Microlog AIR-ONE cw/rtty
Date: 7 May 1996 16:32:33 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4mntv1$[e-mail]>

Microlog Air-one interface plugged into a commodore computer. Just
connect your radio & go. Make offer under $100 including shipping.  73,
Bob, W3syt



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:36 1996
From: [e-mail] (Hans Brakob)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Military Morse
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 00:50:38 -0100

Gary KE4ZV asked:

>"Then how come the military no longer teaches Morse?"

They still do teach it. Not to all operators, as was
previous practice, but it still is taught to some
specialists such as intercept operators, submariners,
and others.

73, de Hans, K0HB, RMCM(USN)





From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:37 1996
From: Laird Solomon <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need buy scanner other than radio s. in toronto!
Date: 10 May 1996 00:39:15 GMT
Message-ID: <4mu37k$[e-mail]>
References: <4mt8qo$[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

Try Atlantic Ham at Bathurst and Wilson or Norham at 400 and Steeles.
Hope this helps.  Also, Durham Radio in Oshawa at Wentworth and Wilson.



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:38 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (James W. Lynch)
Subject: New calls?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Distribution: usa
Date: 8 May 96 07:36:28 CDT

I was listening to a 2 meter net the other day and a fella checked in
with a call with 2 numbers in it.  It was something like ke23abc.

No one seemed to comment so I guess he wasn't bootlegging.  Does anyone
know what this is all about?

73,
Jim.
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Lynch, Sales Analyst,  Cray Research, Inc. / ARS: K4GVO
Southeast District, Phone: [phone], Email: [e-mail]
Suite 270, 200 Westpark Drive, Peachtree City, GA 30269


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:39 1996
From: [e-mail] (Mark Eversoll)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: New calls?
Date: 8 May 1996 09:58:05 -0400
Distribution: usa
Message-ID: <4mq99d$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
James W. Lynch <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I was listening to a 2 meter net the other day and a fella checked in
>with a call with 2 numbers in it.  It was something like ke23abc.
>
>No one seemed to comment so I guess he wasn't bootlegging.  Does anyone
>know what this is all about?

You probably heard something like KE96ABC.  The FCC has authorized amateurs
in the "4" callsign district to sign "96" as their numeric in commemoration of
the 1996 Plympic games.  Outside this area another substitution is authorized.

This is covered in an ARRL bulletin less than a month old.  They can be found
at http://www.arrl.org.

Mark

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From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:40 1996
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
Date: 07 May 96 19:38:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: PAY OFF YOUR DEPTS FA
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>





>>PAY OFF YOUR DEPTS FAST!

STEPHAN>> And what does this have to do with amateur radio?!?

It's the origin of the term, HAM, Stephan.

Just before I got interested in Amateur Radio, I could boast,
"I Have A lot of Money."
   -    -        -

Of course, now it's:

Had A lot of Money.
-   -        -

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From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:40 1996
From: "George J. Molnar" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Plans for a 2M 1/4 wave
Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 06:11:06 -0600
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4mlqg7$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
To: Matthew Delaney <[e-mail]>

Matthew Delaney wrote:
>
> Are there any plans for 2M 1/4 wave antenna online? Specificly mobile
> ones (and how to attach/make a mag mount for them). My ARRL handbook has
> plans for one, but I think it's missing part of the article (no
> infomation on the needed capicitor)

No capacitor needed for a 1/4-wave antenna....
A quarter-wave whip for 2m is 19 inches long....that's about all there
is to it. Go forth and radiate!
73
--
George J. Molnar
Highlands Ranch, Colorado
Amateur Radio: KF2T@N0QCU.#NECO.CO.USA.NOAM
http://www.interealm.com/p/gmolnar/index.html


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:42 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Plans for a 2M 1/4 wave
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <4mlqg7$[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 15:24:36 GMT

In article <4mlqg7$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Matthew Delaney) write
s:
>Are there any plans for 2M 1/4 wave antenna online? Specificly mobile
>ones (and how to attach/make a mag mount for them). My ARRL handbook has
>plans for one, but I think it's missing part of the article (no
>infomation on the needed capicitor)

You don't need a capacitor for a 1/4-wave antenna. All you need is
a piece of wire about 19.5 inches tall. (You'll have to trim it to
length after it is mounted for best VSWR.) You could use a coathanger,
or a piece of #12 bare copper wire, but they'd get bent up pretty easy
in mobile operation, so you would normally use a piece of copper plated
spring steel (music wire) as the element.

Now you need to mount that element to a base. There are hundreds of
ways to do that. Most commercial antennas use a machined sleeve and
a set screw. You can just insert your element in a PL-259 connector
and solder it to the center pin. Fill the body of the plug with an
insulator (hot glue or epoxy) so that the element can't come in
contact with the outer shell of the connector.

Now all you need to do is mount a SO-239 connector on the vehicle,
solder your coax to this connector, and screw on the antenna. Normally,
you'd drill a hole through the center of the top of the vehicle to mount
the base connector. This will give best performance. If you insist on
using a magmount instead, you can make one from a large speaker magnet
(the kind with a big hole in the center) and two aluminum discs. Fasten
the aluminum disks to the top and bottom of the magnet with screws or
glue, drill a hole in the upper disk for the SO-239 connector, and rout
out a channel in the magnet to allow the coax to exit. Wire the coax
inner to the inner pin of the SO-239, and wire the outer to the aluminum
disks (both of them).

Or you could spend $14 with MFJ and get a pre-made magmount 2m antenna.
Or spend a little more and buy one from Radio Shack. Or spend yet a bit
more and get a good Larsen NMO mount system and whip. The latter is
the best. I don't want to discourage you from building an antenna,
but magmounts are really something best purchased rather than homemade.

Let me give you another use for that 1/4-wave you made above, however.
Take the SO-239 and mount it in a L bracket. Drill 4 holes around the
corners of the horizontal part of the bracket, and mount 4 radials
to it. Let them "droop" at about a 45 degree angle below the horizon.
Use a U-bolt to mount this assembly to a mast, and you have a base
antenna for the house. Goop up the soldered connection of the feedline
to the SO-239 to waterproof it. Alternatively, you can use a feedthru
barrel connector instead of a SO-239 and have a PL-259 on the lead in
cable and just screw it on the bottom of the barrel connector while
screwing the PL-259 antenna element on the top. Simple, neat, works.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:43 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 06 May 96 20:49:14 PDT
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Distribution: world

[e-mail] (Joseph Feng) writes:

>
> It appears that the choice of the "boatanchors" name represents a certain
> amount of childish mischief, deliberately intended to compete with an
> existing mail list and create a certain amount of confusion.  There already
> is a Boatanchors list covering exactly this same subject.  This proposal
> was put forward by people who admit that they were unhappy that this
> mailling list began charging a subscription fee.
>

This suggestion is ridiculous. The term "boatanchor" is a generic term,
and doesn't belong to the boatanchor mailing list any more than the
existence of a corvair mailing list would preclude anyone from starting
a rec.autos group with corvair in the name.

> If this were a commercial business, then trade mark privileges would apply
> and the proposed newsgroup would have to find another name.
>

It's not. And discussion of boatanchors isn't, nor should it be,
confined to the paid members of the boatanchor list. (Which includes me,
BTW)

> As a matter of common courtesy, this proposed group should choose another
> name.  There are a lot of obvious alternate candidates from the colorful
> (such as "doorstops") to the descriptive(such as "tubes").

Bull. A boatanchors newsgroup isn't likely to be confused with a paid
members only mailing list, even if they are both about the same subject.
>
> The campaign for the "boatanchors" name only looks like sour grapes.

Wrong. The campaign for a boatanchors newsgroup - which hasn't properly
started yet since there hasn't been an RFD posted yet - is the logical
outcome of having a subject matter - amateur radio boatanchors - that's
so popular the subject deserves it's own newsgroup.

The existing boatanchors list is a valuable and useful resource, and no
one would be forced to abandon it. Making an additional worldwide
resource for those of us interested in the subject is a good thing, not
bad.





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From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:44 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 8 May 1996 16:15:55 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4mqhbr$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4moi80$[e-mail]>

How about calling it          rec.radio.amateur.yeoldefahrtz


Hey, if the shoe fits...


-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:45 1996
From: "t.r.mcloughlin" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 14:44:02 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mp7de$[e-mail]>

michael silva wrote:
>
> Joseph Feng writes:
> >The campaign for the "boatanchors" name only looks like sour grapes.
>
> Nah, we just don't want to be told by outsiders that we shouldn't use
> the most appropriate name for the new group.

Ahh.

Not taking sides here, but if you want a discussion medium that
has "insiders" and "outsiders", a mailing list may be a better option.
An unmoderated newsgroup is open to everyone, so you'll have a hard
time enforcing a "members-only" policy.

(Have you considered rec.ham.boatanchors as an alternative?)

trm


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:46 1996
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 07:53:20 GMT

Joseph Feng <[e-mail]> wrote:

>It appears that the choice of the "boatanchors" name represents a certain
>amount of childish mischief, deliberately intended to compete with an
>existing mail list and create a certain amount of confusion.

The list might be gatewayed to the newsgroup, Joe.

>There already
>is a Boatanchors list covering exactly this same subject.  This proposal
>was put forward by people who admit that they were unhappy that this
>mailling list began charging a subscription fee.

Not so. I'm not unhappy with the subscription fee.

There was a DX mail list. Now there is a proposal for a DX newsgroup.
I bet that keep you awake at night, Joe.

>If this were a commercial business, then trade mark privileges would apply
>and the proposed newsgroup would have to find another name.

Did you just arrive on this planet, Joe? The term "boatanchors" has
been used in the magazines for many many years. the BA email list has only
been around for about 3 or 4 years now. Where do you think the mail list
got its name from?

>As a matter of common courtesy, this proposed group should choose another
>name.  There are a lot of obvious alternate candidates from the colorful
>(such as "doorstops") to the descriptive(such as "tubes").

No, "Boatanchors" has been the standard term for at least a decade. How
long have you been licensed?

>The campaign for the "boatanchors" name only looks like sour grapes.

No, prunes. You need to eat some prunes, Joe!

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:48 1996
From: [e-mail](michael silva)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 9 May 1996 13:49:32 GMT
Message-ID: <4mst5c$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mp7de$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Henry van
Cleef) writes:
<...>
>I also wonder how you are going to deal with the confusion between a
>radio discussed on rec.boats.electronics (for which an RFD is
>currently active) and a "boatanchor" amateur radio.

The "boatanchor" name will not exist in a vacuum.  It will exist in the
rec.radio.amateur hierarchy.  Why should it be any more confusing than
the current rec.radio.amateur.homebrew, or the proposed
rec.radio.amateur.dx?

>Much as I disagree with David Lawrence and his "group advice"
operation
>a lot of the time, in this case we're dealing with a very real
conflict
>with a newsgroup proposal addressing electronics used on boats.  You
can
>pretty well count on a whole group of "no" votes from outsiders on the
>namespace issue, and I don't think you can count on enough "insider"
>votes to carry the proposal through a vote.

Well, I just hope this isn't the case.  Hierarchies exist for a reason,
and we shouldn't assume that users are too dumb to understand them.
Support for a boatanchors group is nearly unanimous in the
rec.radio.amateur group (including the owner of the popular boatanchors
mailing list), as is support for the term itself.  It is a term that
has been used for decades, and I know of no equivalent.

73,
Mike, KK6GM



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:49 1996
From: [e-mail](michael silva)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 11 May 1996 23:53:30 GMT
Message-ID: <4n399q$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mrdvi$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Steve Bonine)
writes:

>Is the use of the exact name "boatanchor" so important that you would
put at
>risk forming any group at all just to use it?  Why not accept the fact
that
>group-advice understands the Usenet issue better than you do, take
their
>advice, and increase the chance that your group will pass?  I'm sure
that if
>you insist, tale will allow the group to go to a vote with the
boatanchor name,
>and I'm pretty sure it will fail if that happens.

I am the author of the innocent and lighthearted "outsider" post, and I
apparently touched a nerve when I used it in my reply (to an article
posted in rec.radio.amateur.misc -- I didn't notice it was also going
to news.groups).  I don't know what advice group-advice has to offer --
have "they" (and I admit I don't know who "they" are, but I'm learning)
come out against the name, or did somebody just question it, or what?
All I have seen is scant second-hand information.

It seems to me that the real question is exactly what latitude *is*
allowed four names deep into a hierarchy?  I am a native english
speaker and in looking through a random sample of usenet names I found
plenty that I didn't understand.  I doubt one person reading this
message can claim to understand every group name.  Isn't that part of
the reason that new readers are expected to read FAQs (and there is a
FAQ for the entire rec.radio.amateur hierarchy), or at least peruse a
new group before blindly posting?  We already have the
less-than-obvious rec.radio.amateur.homebrew, and we may soon have
rec.radio.amateur.dx.  Must a name be redundantly clear this deep into
a hierarchy, even though it then becomes less accurate in describing
the purpose and discussions held in the group?

So, I take it back.  In this effort, of which I am a supporter but not
an instigator, I now realise that we are the outsiders.  I'm sure that
it never occurred to most of the supporters for the group that the
obvious choice for the group name would be considered by some to be
questionable, and our surprise is showing up in some of our postings.
I would support another name rather than have the group vote fail, but
I think that would be a real shame, and I'm not sure what would have
been "saved" should that happen.

73,
Mike, KK6GM



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:50 1996
From: [e-mail] (Phil Sikes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: QRP info
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 06:32:14 GMT
Message-ID: <4muo3h$[e-mail]>
References: <4mno3v$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (MAILLET D.) wrote:

>hello , I'm F5TSW
>please help me for recomendation for LAW QRP trafic.

>* power output:  max 10 Watts or 5 watts
5 Watts is considered to be QRP
>* antenna:       dipole or GP or YAGY -->  how many dB  zero ?(dipole)
Whatever you can get in the air
>* mode:          CW only or PHONE
Any and all modes available to you

>tnx ; 73 domy

>[e-mail]
Hope to hear you on the air QRP soon,
Phil, KJ7NS




From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:51 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.scanner
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Regency still alive?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 02:36:05 GMT

I'm getting an older Regency tone-alert monitor from some fire dept.
I'd like to re-crystal and re-tone it for the NWS on 162.55 MHz.
Anyone know if Regency is still in business? The xtal shouldn't
be a problem but I'm worried about getting the 1050 Hz tone
decoder for it.

Thanks in advance,
Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:52 1996
From: Andy Brinkley <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Regency still alive?
Date: 9 May 1996 00:15:50 GMT
Message-ID: <4mrdfm$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:
>I'm getting an older Regency tone-alert monitor from some fire dept.
>I'd like to re-crystal and re-tone it for the NWS on 162.55 MHz.
>Anyone know if Regency is still in business? The xtal shouldn't
>be a problem but I'm worried about getting the 1050 Hz tone
>decoder for it.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Jeff KH2PZ


Jeff -

Regency is now Regency Land Mobile Radio (RELM) and they are located in West
Melbourne Fl.  Tech Help is 800-422-6281 and the parts number is 800-422-6282.
They may not have much on the alert monitor - They probably stopped making the
m at
least 10 years ago.

If the unit has a decoder that uses "reeds" then you can probably get one from

BRAMCO and swap it out.  Another method might be to build a decoder circuit fr
om a
567 tone decoder chip for the NWS Alert tone.

Hope that this has helped.

E-mail me if you need more info.


Andy N4ROX  "[e-mail]"



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:53 1996
From: [e-mail](Peter Lansing )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Results of a CW Survey
Date: 9 May 1996 19:08:29 GMT
Message-ID: <4mtfrd$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> Bruce Burke
<[e-mail]> writes:
>
>Many of you may remember that I conducted a morse code survey
>last year as part of a class project.<snip>
>So, if you would like to see what I found out, surf on
>over to his homepage entitled "Telegraph Lore."
>
>
>The URL is:
>
>http://www.cris.com/~gsraven/
>
>73,
>       Bruce, WB4YUC
Bruce, this is a very well documented survey.  VERY WELL DONE!  Keep up
the good scientific research, it is what we need.

Peter Lansing AA8KT


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:54 1996
From: Bruce Burke <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Results of a CW Survey
Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 07:56:08 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Many of you may remember that I conducted a morse code survey
last year as part of a class project. Well, the ARRL
looked at it and decided they didn't want to publish it.

I have since converted it to HTML. My friend Greg, KF5N,
was kind enough to put it on his web page and give permission
to make this public announcement.

So, if you would like to see what I found out, surf on
over to his homepage entitled "Telegraph Lore."


The URL is:

http://www.cris.com/~gsraven/

73,
        Bruce, WB4YUC


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:55 1996
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Bosbach)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: SB221amp
Date: 9 May 1996 03:40:02 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4mrpei$[e-mail]>

Anyone have info on the performance specs for a SB221 linear Amp?  I am
looking at one ;now and would like to know what the original specs were.
Tnx.   KG5BR  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:56 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dan Morisseau)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,sci.electronics,rec.radio.pirates
Subject: Re: Seattle Quake Story At Ham Radio Online
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 21:09:18 PST
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4mdd58$[e-mail]> <4mia6i$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article Don Skidmore <[e-mail]> writes:



:>I was there.  There were a few isolated outages for a short period, and some
:>delayed dial tones (People calling each other to ask "What was that?!". I
:turned>on my monitor--it was actually relatively quiet.

:>I'm really glad hams are available to help.  They perform extremely valuable
:>services during emergencies.  This one was more in the nature of one hell
:>of a wake-up call rather than a catastrophe (except for a small number of
:>folks who did have serious damage).

:>I thought the account was a bit overblown under the circumstances.


    I was there too, Don and I agree. It was grossly overblown and the Ham
Radio Online story echoed the silliness with which the local media handled
the non-event. Hysteria and anxiety make some people seem much more imprtant
than boredom and business as usual.

>Just my $.02

>Don
>Bellevue, WA

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From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:57 1996
From: [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Sell out
Date: 7 May 1996 04:08:48 GMT
Message-ID: <4mmicg$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (ROLAND
STINER) writes:
>
>
>To: [e-mail]>
>Subject: Sell out
>
>BF>                         C O M P L E T E  S T A T I O N
>
>BF>I am selling my entire station as one package. See it, test it, buy
it.
>
>If you are unable to sell the whole station as a package, I would be
>interested in some of the parts.  Please advise.
>
>---
>   OLX 1.53   -------------->    73, de NK2U    <----------------
>
>
> * Origin: CyberNet BBS   Lyndhurst, NJ (1:2604/151)
>
>
>              .....oooooOOOOOo         http://www.intac.com/~cono
>
>      __,-----. ---+_________#_     The Roy Hobbs BBS [e-mail]
>
>     |________| |__|___________}          Node 1: 201-641-7307
>
>      ooooo oo ~ ooO-O-O-O == oo\         Node 2: 201-641-3126
>
>
>
Burt doesn't want to sell out he just wants some attention. He seems to
think that because his life is soooo boring that the lives of other
hams are also boring. You've done as much as you can for Burt by giving
him some attention.

                73 de Jerry


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:58 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Selling out of ham radio
Date: 8 May 1996 12:23:35 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4mq3o7$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mb75u$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4mbpb9$[e-mail]> <4mnddp$[e-mail]> <4mo9hu$[e-mail]>

Drew Durigan ([e-mail]) wrote:

: For every one of these folks, I can show you 10 more who don't care about
: code, are turned off by code, and resent the fact that YE OLDE FAHRTZ
: continue to require them to learn an outdated, obsolete method of
: communication just because "I had to learn it so you do too."

: -Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
:  KF4DDM

Drew,
   You need a new paragraph. You are starting to sound like a broken
record.

73, Jim KH2D



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:17:58 1996
From: [e-mail] (robert bowman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Selling out of ham radio
Date: 7 May 1996 19:17:13 GMT
Message-ID: <4mo7jp$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4l0o2u$[e-mail]> <4l0oim$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4lmsrj$5dq@ <4mb75u$[e-mail]>

In article <4mb75u$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Drew D
urigan) says:
>headed towards that Great Brass Key in the Sky.  With each one that
>passes, so does another advocate of the (outdated) code requirements.

sadly, some of the most vocal code supporters are young (relatively).


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:01 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Selling out of ham radio
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4lmsrj$[e-mail]> <4lucsg$[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 23:05:02 GMT

Gary Stollman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I AGREE with the people that say that Morse Code is less than useful...I
>took a class a few years ago, and one of the main reasons I didn't
>complete it, was the stupidity of having to learn code...

I have my doubts, Gary. There was some "stupidity" in you posting
your comments to the .scanner and .shortwave group, so I don't be-
lieve the code is what prevented you from completing the course.
Besides, you could have stuck with just the theory portion of the
course, then gone on to take the exam for the non-coded Tech license.

No, it wasn't the code - just your lack of motivation.

>The also agree
>with the guy who said that the ONLY people dumb or assinine enough to
>want to force you to learn code are old fartbusters who will be dead soon
>anyway, so why should we have to pay for their final years with our blood!

Well, I'm 42 and am 100% in favor of retaining the code. I don't believe
I'll be "dead soon" unless one of these crazy Honolulu drivers runs over
my bicycle (with me on it). Regardless, I see you didn't get much from
the course you half-heartedly sat through - no one is forcing you to
learn the code. Over 95% of the amateur spectrum is available to those
with a no-code Tech license.

73 from Hawaii (73 means Best Regards, Gary),
Jeff KH2PZ
>--
>BE GRATEFUL!!  At least you didn't re-incarnate as a tree!!!




From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:03 1996
From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Selling out of ham radio
Date: 11 May 1996 09:49:21 -0400
Message-ID: <4n25t1$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mbpb9$[e-mail]> <4mnddp$[e-mail]> <4mo9hu$[e-mail]>

In article <4mo9hu$[e-mail]>,
        Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:

>For every one of these folks, I can show you 10 more who don't care about
>code,

And your point is..... what? I can show you ten people who don't care
about SSB, or ten people who don't care about digital HF, or ten people
who don't care about 2 meter CB.


>are turned off by code, and resent the fact that YE OLDE FAHRTZ

If I'm a "YE OLDE FAHRTZ", and you're older than I am, what does
that make you?


>continue to require

Nobody is "required" to learn code anymore. The codeless license gives
access to a vast majority of amateur spectrum.


>them to learn an outdated, obsolete method of
>communication

I've always been amused by this comment. All the bitching and moaning
about needing to learn an "outdated, obsolete method" of communication
just so they can use another "outdated, obsolete method" of communication,
SSB. (You were aware that SSB is almost as old as CW operation, right?)


> just because "I had to learn it so you do too."

More like "Its the rules, so either shut up and do it, or go away".

MD
--
--
--  "I have more guns than I need, and less guns than I want." -- Phil Graam
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:04 1996
From: [e-mail] (J.K.E.Colditz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: SSTV
Date: Thu, 09 May 96 10:05:13 GMT
Message-ID: <4msg0p$[e-mail]>
Keywords: SSTV

L.s.

 Message for all SSTV radio amateurs:

 Are you interested how your images have been received by an amateur listener?
From time to time I set the nicest images on my homepage, have a look!

http://www.tip.nl/users/hannes.colditz , especially my page .../sstv.htm

Happy txing and surfing


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:04 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (JKE Colditz)
Subject: SSTV
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Keywords: SSTV
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 22:42:24 GMT

L.s.

 Message for all SSTV radio amateurs:

 Are you interested how your images have been received by an amateur
listener?
From time to time I set the nicest images on my homepage, have a look!

http://www.tip.nl/users/hannes.colditz , especially my page .../sstv.htm

Happy txing and surfing



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:05 1996
From: [e-mail] (William M. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Standart 1208DA Mods
Date: 7 May 1996 19:34:53 GMT
Message-ID: <4mo8kt$[e-mail]>

Does anyone have mods for the Standart 1208DA 2 meter mobile?

Bill Smith
N9MBB


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:06 1996
From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Tech+ license upgrade
Date: Fri, 10 May 96 13:11:06 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4mqbf2$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Bart's reply is excellent.  I recently change my station address and included,
with the FCC 610 form, a letter stating my case (for me, that I had held the
license and call sign since June 1970).  I found this to be adequate for my
situation.

73 de WA3RKB
Stephan Anderman
Stillwater, NY
[e-mail]
ARRL ENY Section Bulletin Manager/PIC
ARRL Hudson Division Assistant Director


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:07 1996
From: [e-mail]    (Roger J. Buffington; AB6WR)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Tech+ license upgrade
Date: 11 May 1996 15:37:08 GMT
Message-ID: <4n2c74$[e-mail]>
References: <4mqbf2$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Roger J. Buffington)

In <[e-mail]>, Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Bart's reply is excellent.  I recently change my station address and included
,
>with the FCC 610 form, a letter stating my case (for me, that I had held the
>license and call sign since June 1970).  I found this to be adequate for my
>situation.

Yes, thanks to both of you.  I think what I'm going to try first is to send
in a 610 renewal notice, together with a copy of the CSCE indicating that
she passed the 5 wpm test, and ask for a renewal of the license as Tech+.
If this doesn't work I'm gonna have to track down the VEC and do it exactly
the way Bart suggested.

Thanks again!

Roger J. Buffington
AB6WR
USC Law School Class of '97

[e-mail]





From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:08 1996
From: "Bart Jahnke, KB9NM ARRL/VEC" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Tech+ license upgrade
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:09:16 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4mqbf2$[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

Roger J. Buffington wrote:
>
> About 3 years ago my YL passed her Tech+ test.  (Boy, was I ever suprised
> that she had learned the code!)  However, in those days the FCC did not
> differentiate on her license whether she was a no-code or a Tech +.  Does
> anyone know if it would be possible for her to renew her license and get
> the "Tech +" designation now, without having to retake the whole thing?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Roger J. Buffington
> AB6WR
> USC Law School Class of '97
>
> [e-mail]

Roger:

From February 14, 1991 until March 12, 1994, people who qualified for
a Tech Plus license at VEC-coordinated exams were added to a Tech Plus's
data base maintained by the VECs.  Then, when FCC created the real
Technician Plus license class in early 1994, the FCC took a download of
that data from the VECs' data base and added it to their own.  Some
people did fall though the cracks, but by and large it was successful.

I see that Debora still appears as a "Technician" in the FCC's data base.
 May I suggest that she contact the VEC who coordinated her test and ask
that VEC to communicate the correction to the VEC.  If it was ARRL, then
just contact me.

The VEC will need the test date and location, and may need a copy of her
CSCE (from that time).

If the correction is communicated to the FCC by the coordinating VEC,
that VEC can ask FCC to send her written confirmation of the correction
(in the form of a corrected hardcopy license).

73

-- Bart KB9NM

===============================================================
=                              |            ARRL HQ           =
=  Bart J. Jahnke, KB9NM       |     Tel: [phone]        =
=  ARRL/VEC Manager            |     Fax: [phone]        =
=  225 Main St                 |     Internet: [e-mail]   =
=  Newington CT 06111 (USA)    |     MCI MAIL ID: 653-2312    =
=                              |                              =
===============================================================


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:09 1996
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian,rec.music.classical,rec.music.industrial,rec.music.progressive,rec.org.sca,rec.pets,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.skydiving,rec.sport.golf,rec.sport.pro-wrestling,rec.sport.skating.ice.figure,rec.sport.tennis,r
From: M. Hains <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Turn $5 into $5,000! Read and see how!
Message-ID: <01bb3d92.743a06a0$[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 10:28:42 GMT
Reply-To: [e-mail]
References: <4k6nog$[e-mail]> <4k7cdv$[e-mail]> <4kba89$[e-mail]> <4kda7r$[e-mail]>

What is this newsgroup about anyway?




From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:10 1996
From: [e-mail] (Eugene Kang)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: UHF/microwave penetration thru concrete
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 12 May 96 12:06:29 GMT

Which penetrates concrete better, a 900MHz transmission or a 1.8GHz
transmission, assuming same conditions and power are the same?

Why?

thanks




From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:11 1996
From: [e-mail] (Randolph Kielich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls -- What gate???
Date: 9 May 1996 07:54:04 GMT
Message-ID: <4ms8as$[e-mail]>
References: <4kb91k$[e-mail]> <4mg9g3$[e-mail]>

: Jim, Gate one opens May 31, 1996. If you qualify for Gate one send
: $30.00 with your 610-V to:
: Federal Communications Commission
: Amateur Vanity Call Sign Request
: P. O. Box 358924
: Pittsburgh, PA 15251-5924


        Any idea when the 'Gate Two' program will open up?  We have all been
waiting for so long now.  Does this also mean we will actually receive the
calls that we apply for or are they going to hold the paper work until all
of the legal issues were resolved?

        Randy Kielich  N6WDV



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:12 1996
From: "Bart Jahnke, KB9NM ARRL/VEC" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls -- What gate???
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:14:56 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4kb91k$[e-mail]> <4mg9g3$[e-mail]> <4ms8as$[e-mail]>
To: Randolph Kielich <[e-mail]>

Randolph Kielich wrote:
>
> : Jim, Gate one opens May 31, 1996. If you qualify for Gate one send
> : $30.00 with your 610-V to:
> : Federal Communications Commission
> : Amateur Vanity Call Sign Request
> : P. O. Box 358924
> : Pittsburgh, PA 15251-5924
>
>         Any idea when the 'Gate Two' program will open up?  We have all been
> waiting for so long now.  Does this also mean we will actually receive the
> calls that we apply for or are they going to hold the paper work until all
> of the legal issues were resolved?
>
>         Randy Kielich  N6WDV

FCC has not said.  Gate two will no-doubt open after FCC finishes Gate 1, and
after they
get a good feeling of how Gate 1A is progressing.  The number of Gate 1 and 1A

requests will also have an effect.

Expect the Gate 2 date to probably be known sometime in the summer--watch W1AW
 Bulletins
for up-to-the-minute details.

The petitions for reconsideration (legal issues) have at this time all be addr
essed--and
are not presently causing any further delay.

73,

-- Bart KB9NM

===============================================================
=                              |            ARRL HQ           =
=  Bart J. Jahnke, KB9NM       |     Tel: [phone]        =
=  ARRL/VEC Manager            |     Fax: [phone]        =
=  225 Main St                 |     Internet: [e-mail]   =
=  Newington CT 06111 (USA)    |     MCI MAIL ID: 653-2312    =
=                              |                              =
===============================================================


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:13 1996
From: [e-mail] (Skid Schermerhorn, W1TTY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls application timing
Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 21:09:22 GMT
Message-ID: <4mtn2b$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Penn McClatchey) wrote:

>I've heard the FCC won't be accepting any Vanity applications
>before the appropriate gate is open.  Lets suppose I'm applying for
>my ex-Uncle's call under Gate 1.  The gate opens May 31, 1996.
>Does this mean they'll return my application unless I time
>it to arrive on or after May 31?  I find that hard to believe.

Seeing is believing!

        The note I got with my my wife's 610-V said:

"If your Form 610-V should arrive at the FCC Bank Contractor before
the Gate you are applying for has opened, your Form 610-V may be
significantly delayed - or may be returned to you without action."

        Also, in th FCC instructions for ITEM 7, Boxes 7A-7C it says:
"DO NOT FILE FORM 610-V UNTIL GATE 1 IS OPEN" and this is in BOLD
caps.


>I would assume that if you wait until the appropriate gate is
>announced and then mail your application that it will be
>accepted.  The May 31 date must be the first date that they
>will assign calls.  Thus, if I sent my application for gate 2
>now, it would be refused, but they would accept a gate 1 application.

        Nope, see above.


>Anyone know to the contrary?

>73 de Penn

>Penn M. McClatchey (Southern Aluminum Finishing Co, Atlanta, GA, USA)
>         ** Value truth and the speaking of it. **
>   "The secret of being a bore is to tell all." - Voltaire
>[e-mail]   http://www.saf.com    Radio: WB4DPT  Voice:404-355-1560,ext231
>--
>Penn M. McClatchey (Southern Aluminum Finishing Co, Atlanta, GA, USA)
>         ** Value truth and the speaking of it. **
>   "The secret of being a bore is to tell all." - Voltaire
>[e-mail]   http://www.saf.com    Radio: WB4DPT  Voice:404-355-1560,ext231

73


Skid Schermerhorn - W1TTY   http://www.control.com/~skid/skid
East Sandwich               http://www.control.com/~skid/church
Massachusetts  02537        http://www.control.com/~skid/bookmark




From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:14 1996
From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: W9GR DSPII - Where to buy?
Date: 9 May 1996 09:43:26 GMT
Message-ID: <4msenu$[e-mail]>

Hello,

I read in a reviev of the DSP II by W9GR that it has been advertized in
QST recently. If you have the QST handy, can you give me the info on the
dealer? price?

73, Moritz DL5UH


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:15 1996
From: Gary Ross Hoffman <gary@carcs3>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Want to build Yagi
Date: 7 May 1996 18:09:35 GMT
Message-ID: <4mo3kv$[e-mail]>
References: <4md7om$[e-mail]>

My wife bought me the ARRL Handbook for Amateur Operators.
It had numerous Yagi designs, including a very simple
one for 2 meters. I cobbled one together from junk found
in my basement and was amazed to find that it actually
worked.
- Gary


From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:15 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gary Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WANTED:  IC-4AT Manual
Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 02:23:04 GMT
Message-ID: <4mp0i1$[e-mail]>

Need a copy of a ICOM IC-4AT 440Mhz HT manual.  Also, could use a copy
of the drop in charger.  Copy costs and postage gratefully repaid.
Thanks for your help.

73, gary

===================================================================
<<<<<<<<<<<<<< TOO many projects, NOT enough time! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Gary H. Harmon, Jr., K5JWK      [e-mail]
6302 Robin Forest               [e-mail]09TN.#SAT.TX.USA.NOAM
San Antonio, TX 78239           [phone]




From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:16 1996
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: What hams think is intelligent
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 19:15:24 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

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Burt
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From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:17 1996
From: Ronalee Fitch <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: What is a 900-1300 MHz. Ciculator?
Date: 7 May 1996 04:45:58 GMT
Message-ID: <4mmki6$[e-mail]>

And what is it used for.  I got one in a raffle and need to know
what it is, what it is used for, and what it is worth.



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:18 1996
From: [e-mail] (Alan Jakub)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: When Is Dayton HamVention
Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 22:36:41 GMT
Message-ID: <4mlut4$[e-mail]>

I am looking to find out when the HamVention is being Held this year.
I know it is soon. But How Soon.
Alan

Alan Jakub - Computer Consultant for JCS Computer Services
Call [phone] for more H E L P!!!



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:19 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Where do babies come from?
Date: 7 May 1996 09:52:20 GMT
Message-ID: <4mn6gk$[e-mail]>
References: <4lr9oh$[e-mail]> <4m4ql8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4mdhqh$[e-mail]> <4mfeqf$[e-mail]>

Scott Rosenfeld NF3I ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Will you suddenly shun your mom or dad, even though they're happy?

Shun 'em, no. Shoot 'em, maybe......

: Will you suddenly love your gay child any less, or make his or her
: life miserable trying to "cure" them of their "disease?"

Love 'em less, no. Drown 'em, maybe......

: Have fun thinking about that...back to CW...

73, Jim KH2D



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:20 1996
From: [e-mail] (Brian Pasternak)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WTB: Unbuilt Heathkit HW8 or HW9
Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 14:47:28 GMT
Message-ID: <4mnrp2$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Hello.  I am looking for an unbuilt Heathkit HW8 or HW9.  Kit must be
complete with docs.
Please send me $$$ info and condition via email [e-mail].
Thanks.
Brian Pasternak




From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:20 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Yes, we do have young hams
Date: 8 May 1996 07:01:55 GMT
Message-ID: <4mpgt3$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mc36p$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>  <[e-mail]>

Andy ([e-mail]) wrote:
: HAM RADIO IS DEAD.

: Those of us who support it are in the "denial"
: stage of dealing with this tragedy.

: The new technology killed ham radio, just as it has killed a lot of
: other sacred cows in the USA.

: Andrew Falcone
: Kansas City, MO

Andrew,

      What new technology do you feel has killed ham radio ?

73, Jim KH2D



From [e-mail] Sun May 12 18:18:22 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (SARUMAN)
Subject: Re: Yes, we do have young hams
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4mnsh1$[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:43:08 GMT

>--
>* Scott Rosenfeld NF3I Burtonsville, MD FM19  QRV 80-10/6/2/440 *
>*** VHF @ <25w, HF @ <5w *** Save a cake, pound BRASS instead ***
>* 138 cfd with dipoles * QRP-L #147 QRP ARCI #9054 DXCC/WAS/WAC *
>* 301-549-1022 h / 301-982-1015 w * 145.490-  147.225+ PL 156.7 *
Hi Scott do you still have that HTX-202 for sale? A buddy at work is looking
for one and asked me to look around for him so I figured I'd check if you stil
l
had one for sale.

<tsb>
                               Midgard Graphics
           3D Animation and Special FX for the hobbyist videographer
                          Email: [e-mail]

--
          Drop into #amigacafe on IRC's undernet for a chat sometime

--

<tsb>

                     A man of many hobby's master of none.




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:57:35 1996
From: [e-mail] (Curtis D. Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: 17 May 1996 19:49:53 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4nglp8$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

On 17 May 1996 01:46:16 GMT, Jonathan Helis <[e-mail]> wrot
e:
|There is a program that will call WWV through the modem and set your
|computer's clock by it.  I once saw it on a BBS that's no longer running.
| Does anyone know where I can download this file from, either from FTP or
|the WWW?  Any help is appreciated.

There are a couple of them for os/2. one called nistime, which does
the same thing over inet. check nic.funet.fi for files of this type
in the /pub/ham dir. Theres prolly one for dos too. Maybe one for
win.

--
_________________________________________________________________
| Curtis D. Levin    | Team Os/2 | kd4zkw.ampr.org [44.98.2.22] |
| [e-mail] ~~~~~~~~~~~~|       [e-mail]       |
| http://www.shadow.net/~cdlevin | kd4zkw@ae4ej.#MIAFL.USA.NOAM |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Warning!! This post may be inappropriate for .misc newsgroups.
            Suitable discretion is advised.





From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:57:36 1996
From: Jonathan Helis <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: (no subject)
Date: 17 May 1996 01:46:16 GMT
Message-ID: <4nglp8$[e-mail]>

There is a program that will call WWV through the modem and set your
computer's clock by it.  I once saw it on a BBS that's no longer running.
 Does anyone know where I can download this file from, either from FTP or
the WWW?  Any help is appreciated.

73,

Jon Helis, KB5IAV

Baton Rouge,Louisiana, USA

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:57:37 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steven L. Finberg)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.info,sci.electronics.misc,ne.forsale,ne.general,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
Subject: ** FLEA at MIT **     Sunday 19 May       Cambridge MA
Date: 14 May 1996 11:27:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Message-ID: <4n9qmn$[e-mail]>
Summary: Buy Sell SWAP Ham Radio  Electronics Computers 9AM - 2PM
Keywords: Hamfest Fleamarket SWAPFEST  Computers Ham Radio Electronics


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        MIT's  electronics and ham radio flea will take
        place on the third Sunday of each month this summer,
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        There is tailgate space for over 400 sellers and
        free, off-street buyers parking!

        Buyers admission is $4  (you get $1 off if
        you're lucky enough to have a copy of our ad)
        and sellers spaces are $10.00-each at the gate.

        The flea will be held at the corner of Pacific and
        Landsdowne streets in Cambridge; half a block off
        Albany St near Central Square from 9AM to 2PM,
        with sellers set-up time starting at 7AM.

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From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:57:38 1996
From: [e-mail] (gudmundur)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: **help, need GPS info**
Date: 8 May 1996 04:17:44 GMT
Message-ID: <4mp798$[e-mail]>

I am searching for recommendations on make and model of GPS receiver
to buy. Unit must have digital interface port and be hand held or
at least very small for mobile and marine use. Also I need information
on pc compatible "mapping" and "where am I" software to use in tracking
my movements and displaying my position on a map with only GPS data
input as my referance. Looking for good VGA map display with my current
location indicated. Will also be using KPC-3 with GPS rom upgrade
to send position information back to camp.  Thanks and 73    KD3SH



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:57:40 1996
From: [e-mail] (Robin Birch)
Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 1154s and Aerials
Date: 10 May 1996 22:42:38 +0100
Message-ID: <4n0d8e$[e-mail]>

Dear All,
I am just finishing the rebuild of an 1154/55 combo.  This shuld be on
the air in a couple of weeks and I need some advice.  Has anybody
any experience of:

1)      Coupling an 1154 to a 50 ohm antenna?.
2)      Filters capable of keeping it just about legal from the
        harmonic point of view.

I would appreciate the circuits for either of the above.  I would rather
build the necessary matching and filtering circuits.  I'm a masochist
that way.

I would also like to take the opportunity to repeat my regular plea for bits.
If anybody has any 1154/55 parts, particuarly meters, please let me know.
I can give them a good home.

73
Robin Birch



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:57:44 1996
From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: whidbey.general,seattle.forsale.computers,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 286, Old HD + DOS 6.22 ??
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:29:28 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4n5v3v$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

>DAVE M . SCHERTZER wrote:
>>
>> Have an old IBM true Blue, 286 board w/20mb HD.
>> Think'in of installing DOS 6.22 (presently DOS 3.0)
>> on the HD. WaNt to "Double-Space" to get a 40mb HD.
>> Since this is an "old HD", huge, wondering if this
>> wud be possible, without crashing the system????
>> Any comments or advice [e-mail]

Dave.

It will work fine, but you would loss about as much as you
good gain. DOS 3.0 is less than a meg, and 6.22 is just under
6 meg. I doubt you will get "full doubling" (ie; 40 meg), and
with the additional time it would slow down the drive, I just
dont see it working out well for you.

It also typically adds 50% to seek time, so if you have a screamer,
say 8ms, it will run at about 12ms. Not bad you say, but that curve
is not linear. As you go up, say an old 22ms MFM drive, you are now
up to a staggering slow 33ms!

But none the less, it will work. Drive/Double Space are software
compressors, and wont effect the "media" or mechanics of
the hard disk.

Take care, and good luck.




Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:57:45 1996
From: [e-mail] (Larry Rice)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 5-unit Telex/TWX slip
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 00:24:39 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Would someone be able to tell me what the letter J shows up on
5-unit tape/slip - that is used on the TWX system  in USA or the telex
service in other countries.

We used it on telegraph circuits for auto retransmission.

30 years ago, I used to read the holes in this slip as if I was
reading a newspaper, I've remembered all the hole combinations
except the darned letter "J".

Can anyone help please.

Cheers
Larry VK6CP



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:57:46 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai)
Subject: Re: AD: Mods 4 Sales
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mqe4e$[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 17:57:15 GMT

In article <4mqe4e$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (BucherJ) writes
:
-The Mods I currently have for your equipment is:
[List deleted]

-       If you wish to order the mods please send $5 (check or money
-order) for each radio model (1 radio= $5, 2 radio's = $10, etc.) to:

Just to let everyone know that most of these mods are available free
from the BARC ftp site (ftp.barc.otg (aka. oak.oakland.edu) under
pub/hamradio/mods, on the QRZ CD and web site, and from many other
places.
/mike

PS. If you have any mods you want to add to the BARC site, send them to
Cheyenne at [e-mail].

--
\|/     Michael L. Ardai        N1IST       [e-mail]     \|/
-*- --- Boston Amateur Radio Club:  http://www.barc.org/barc --- -*-
/|\        or send "info barc-list" to [e-mail]        /|\


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:57:47 1996
From: [e-mail]    (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Alternatives to the code test (was: ...)
Date: 13 May 1996 03:46:24 GMT
Message-ID: <4n6bag$[e-mail]>
References: <4ltu67$[e-mail]> <4mds1i$[e-mail]> <4n0ac3$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Bill Newkirk)

In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:
>Art Winterbauer <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>5.  Naming all the states of the U.S. in under 30 seconds
>5. On HF you'll need to know more that just the names of our states; there
>are around 170 countries in the world today (someone will correct that number
).

maybe, but if it was the names of the 50 states and their capitals, then all y
ou
have to do is learn the words to "Wakko's America" from Animainiacs.
("Baton Rouge, La, Indianapolis, IN, and Columbus is the capital of O-Hi-O...)

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:57:48 1996
From: Peter Coffee AC6EN <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Antennas Look Good When They're Needed
Date: 13 May 1996 23:52:21 GMT
Message-ID: <4n8hvm$9ks$[e-mail]>

Recently, my ARRL Section Manager asked me if I had any words to
offer on the subject of our antennas, and the value they can
offer to our neighbors in rescuing lives or property.  This is
what came to mind.  It may be used for any purpose, without
further permission, though I'd appreciate copies of any club
newsletters or other publications that choose to print these
thoughts.

 - Peter Coffee, AC6EN
   ARRL PIO/Tech Spec.
   Los Angeles Section


          The More You Need Them, The Better They Look

Your car would have more trunk space if you just got rid of that
ugly, bulky spare tire.  But drivers keep those things on hand,
even drivers who've never had a flat tire in twenty years behind
the wheel -- because some things have to be there when they're
needed.

That same point of view can change the way that a neighborhood
sees a radio ham's antennas.  To someone who doesn't relish the
miracle of radio, antennas might seem like a blot on a suburb's
rustic skyline -- especially now that utility lines and other
former ``decorations'' are often underground, and cable
television has eliminated rooftop TV antennas from many homes.

But that ham antenna isn't there to be pretty.  It's there to
provide a gateway that will someday be a neighborhood's only link
to the rest of its region, or even to distant parts of the state
or the country, when a natural disaster or catastrophic accident
cuts off normal telephone service; when even cellular telephones
are saturated, or restricted to use by public safety agencies as
often happens in serious emergencies.

No, a radio ham's antennas aren't pretty.  But neither is the
sight of a family with a medical crisis, a fire, or another
situation needing immediate assistance at a time when normal
communications aren't working.  A neighborhood gets the benefit
of its ham residents' investments in equipment and preparation,
all at no cost whatsoever: like the spare tires in all of our
car trunks, any inconvenience from those antennas looks pretty
small compared to the value they have when they're needed.




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:57:49 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Antennas Look Good When They're Needed
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:25:26 GMT
Message-ID: <4nfa3u$[e-mail]>
References: <4n8hvm$9ks$[e-mail]> <4najh2$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:

>   Peter Coffee AC6EN <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>A neighborhood gets the benefit of its ham residents' investments in
>>equipment and preparation, all at no cost whatsoever: like the spare
>>tires in all of our car trunks, any inconvenience from those antennas
>>looks pretty small compared to the value they have when they're
>>needed.

>I think this is a tough sell.

Unless you live in the right neigborhood. I was amazed when I
came to Guam that everyone seemed to know what amateur radio was
and appreciate it's value in extreme weather conditions (we have
lots of typhoons here). I approached the manager of the 8 story
condo I was living in and asked about antennas on the roof,
expecting a very negative response. I was asked "Ham antennas ?"
and when I replied "Yes" I was given the key to the roof and
permission to put anything up I wanted.  I doubt that is going to
happen too many places in the states, even with all the help that
hams offer after disasters.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:57:50 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BA - BOATANCHORS Newsgroup status
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 05 May 96 11:06:37 PDT
References: <4mgdg0$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Distribution: world

[e-mail] (Richard E Stealey) writes:

> About 3 weeks ago I volunteered to create a new newsgroup proposal and
> started the long processes of getting it voted in.  I DID submit a proposal
> (called a request for discussion, RFD) and uunet referred it to a
> committee, called group-advice, for comment.  They recommended "antiques"
> instead of boatanchors, because they are concerned about the name having
> a clear understanding worldwide, and among readers who are not necessarily
> hams.

Group advice may mean well but they are a bunch of insufferable idiots
who are bent on "organizing" newsgroup names to their notions of
"order". For example, they have "given" us the stupid set of
rec.autos.makers hierarcy, which adds a wholly unnecessary and
superfluos level, changing rec.autos.vw to rec.autos.makers.vw for one.

They don't necessarily know anything about the culture of the newsgroup
that want to impose their views on.

> I asked if they would condsider "classics" as a compromise
> (now I'm sorry I did) and they said it was tolerable.  Then after
> discussing with some folks who were interested in helping me, we
> decided to go ahead with boatanchors and I resubmitted.  That is when
> I got a VERY serious response from one of the group-advice members
> saying they would allow the RFD to go through but would vote against
> it and would encourage others to vote against it.
>

That's unfortunate, because while they are often anal-retentive, they
also may influence a lot of people who don't know any better. I do,
however support the choice of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchor as the best
choice for the newsgroup name. It's meaning is certainly clear to hams,
and anyone who finds the group in the rec.radio.amateur hierarcy ought
to expect the group to be about amateur radios.

> There was a release of RFDs 5/2/96 and ours was not included.  So right
> now we are just waiting.  I have been told by someone who is quite
> experienced that we should be patient.
>

Yes, but don't be bamboozled into accepting "group-advice" (advice,
hell, they try to enforce their damn "advice"!). You certainly have the
right to propose the newsgroup of your, not their, choice.

> Lover of boatanchors, and proponent of rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors

Likewise.



[e-mail]                             __|
Robert Smits                                _/. |\
(VE7HS)                CQ CQ CQ !!!        <   (0)
                                       _   /__    |
                                      ( ) <_______/
                                       \ \/       \__


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:57:51 1996
From: William W Janssen <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BA - Modulated Oscilaltor
Date: 9 May 1996 09:39:52 GMT
Message-ID: <4mseh8$[e-mail]>
References: <4mgdia$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4mr0mm$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Bob Duckworth) wrote:

>
>I've since come up with a XTAL and a 100TH and a 6L6 and a
>microwave oven transformer. Should be able to get about 200W
>out of the two tubes.
>It's this weekends project....
>
> Bob

Let me (and maybe others) know how you make out with that
transformer. I THINK you will have problems and I want to
know how you solved them.

Been there - tried that - gave up.

Bill K7NOM



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:57:52 1996
From: George Sereikas <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BA - Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 11 May 1996 00:12:36 GMT
Message-ID: <4n0m1k$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Well....each to their own, and each to their own opinion. I
respectfully disagree with the position that you take. I LOVE
boatanchors and they are definitely NOT obsolete. I use mine all
the time. I do agree that boatanchors is an affectionate term,
but stop your thought there.....Obsolete just doesn't fit here.

Now, as far as the porch and if they called their reflector
"doorstops" I would STILL vote that the name for the newsgroup
should be "boatanchors". I don't think this idea has anything to
do with the reflector....it just so happens that boatanchors is a
good name for what we are talking about...So, there you have
it....let's hear it: Go Boatanchors! May they live forever!!

George
KC2MF
"2 Modes Forever"....(who needs more?)




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:57:53 1996
From: [e-mail] (PAT WILSON)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: BA - Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 13 May 96 18:32:00 -0500
Distribution: world
Reply-To: [e-mail] (PAT WILSON)
References: <4n0m1k$[e-mail]>

I agree, the term boatanchors means something to those who use, own,
love, want them.

If the group is

rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors
or
rec.radio.boatanchors


who the hell will mistake it for something else?????????????????

if we called it

rec.boat.anchors  I doubt that many hams would visit expecting radios.

N0RDQ


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:57:54 1996
From: [e-mail] (Teacherjh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ban the dreaded >
Date: 14 May 1996 11:01:06 -0400
Message-ID: <4na77i$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Teacherjh)

>>
I am a totally blind Radio Amateur who 'reads' this Group and a few
others.

Unfortunately, the only way I can get my Speech Output to speak what is on

Screen is to define > as my Curser.
<<

Not all newsreaders can control what characters they use for quotes... not
all newsreaders can control the headers... some can't even control
crossposts!  The use of > and >> etc for quotes is longstanding, you won't
be able to change this.   However, if you run the newsgroups through a
text editor or word processor first, changing > to something else, before
your "speaker" program gets to it, may provide a workaround for you.

Hope this helps...

Jose   KD1SB


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:57:55 1996
From: [e-mail]  (Jim Reisert AD1C)
Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Beam Heading Info
Date: 11 May 1996 15:30:42 GMT
Message-ID: <4n2br2$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mi8fo$[e-mail]> <4mn2gt$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Jim Reisert AD1C)

E-mail me your latitude and longitude and I'll send you a printout in return
E-mail.

73 - Jim AD1C

--
Jim Reisert <[e-mail]>
http://www.tiac.net/users/ad1c/



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:57:57 1996
From: [e-mail]     (Roger J. Buffington; AB6WR)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CALLSIGNS
Date: 16 May 1996 15:10:18 GMT
Message-ID: <4nfggq$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Roger J. Buffington)

>Subject: CALLSIGNS
>
> >A "real Advanced call" would be K#xxx or W#xxx. What you've got is
> >an "Advanced Minus call" - it indicates you took your multiple choice
> >test from a some volunteer who provided you with questions that you'd
> >seen before rather than going to an FCC office to draw some schematics
> >for the old Advanced exam.
>
>12 years ago, when I first got into ham radio, (and the tests were given
>by the FCC) all 2 X 2s were Advanced and all 1 X 3s were either Tech or
>General.  The FCC rule book was crystal clear on this.

I took my Advanced in 1969 or thereabouts.  At the FCC.  There were no
schematics to draw, not one.  The test was so easy that I learned the material
the morning of the exam.  Having looked at today's Advanced test (widely
believed to be tougher than any of the others, including, IMO, the Extra) I
would say that it is tougher than the one I took.

Advanced callsigns were 1X3s because that is all the FCC issued to the 48
contiguous states, unless you were an Extra.  When the 2X2s were available,
lots of us changed our callsigns.  I became KD6IX, from my earlier WA6XXX
call.

Roger J. Buffington
AB6WR
USC Law School Class of '97

[e-mail]

"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my grandfather.
Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."





From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:57:58 1996
From: [e-mail]     (Roger J. Buffington; AB6WR)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CALLSIGNS
Date: 16 May 1996 15:12:51 GMT
Message-ID: <4nfglj$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4nf4m6$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Roger J. Buffington)

In <4nf4m6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Bennett) wri
tes:
>
>Twenty years ago Techs and Generals got 2 x 3's did they?  News to me.
>Dad has held a general 1 x 3 in region four longer than that.  I have a
>general region 4 1 x3 I initially got as a tech in 80-81.  Note the specific
on
>region 4.  Of course, there could have been a whole in there where they just
>issued 2 x 3's, or maybe it just happened to depend on call sign use by regio
n.
>Paul Bennett
>N4EGO

20 years ago, all the 1X3s were used up.  When I got my WA6 call in 1966,
I'm pretty sure most or all of the call districts were already not issuing
1X3s.  I know that was true for the 6 call district.  In the 6 district as of
1966, all the WB6 calls had been issued, and they were cycling back through
the WA6 calls, for whatever reason.


Roger J. Buffington
AB6WR
USC Law School Class of '97

[e-mail]

"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my grandfather.
Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."





From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:57:59 1996
From: [e-mail](Jim Lowman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CALLSIGNS
Date: 16 May 1996 20:43:48 GMT
Message-ID: <4ng424$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
writes:

>QST ran an article last year detailing the history of the US callsign
>assignments.

Jeff, do you remember which month it was run last year?  Someone
pointed this out to me earlier, but I lost the info.

I wonder what sort of call I would have received in "6" land when I
moved here in 1975, as an Advanced Class licensee.  When did the 2x2
callsign format start?  I changed over to a "6" call when I renewed in
1988, but always wondered what sort of call I would have received if I
made the change in 1975 or 1978.

Thanks in advance and 73 de Jim - KF6CR




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:00 1996
From: [e-mail] (R. Dale PIedfort)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CALLSIGNS
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 13:56:05 GMT
Message-ID: <4ni0g3$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4nf4m6$[e-mail]> <4nfglj$[e-mail]>


Not all 1 x3  callsigns issued in the early 50's and 60's were
advanced class calls, many of the w6xxx and k6xxx calls
were issued to General and Technician class licence holders
Check out these calls:
K6IHM       General
W6YSH     General
K6MHV     Tech

In 77/78  1 x 2 calls were reissued by to Extra Class license
holders.  Also in 78 the change was made to WD6XXX which
had a very short run of calls, I believe they ended with WD6H??
The FCC then began with KA6XXX for Novice calls and an upgrade
to Technician you could get a 1 x 3 starting with N6??? This held true
for General class upgrades you could request a N6XXX also.

Advanced Class upgrades could request a 2 x 2 begining with KB6??
Extra Class license holders could change to a 2 x 2 if they wished
that group of calls began with AA6AA and progressed to where there
are now with AC6??

In California in late 88 or early 89 the 1 x 3 for technician class
ran out of combinations and you were isssued a KA6XXX or a
KB6XXX and were stuck with it until you upgraded to Advanced
and requested a 2 x 2.

For exact dates for the changes there is a posting on either the
FCC  or ARRL Home Pages. I beleive it is under the heading of
History of Amatuer Radio Callsigns..

.













[e-mail]     (Roger J. Buffington; AB6WR) wrote:

>In <4nf4m6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Bennett) wr
ites:
>>
>>Twenty years ago Techs and Generals got 2 x 3's did they?  News to me.
>>Dad has held a general 1 x 3 in region four longer than that.  I have a
>>general region 4 1 x3 I initially got as a tech in 80-81.  Note the specific
 on
>>region 4.  Of course, there could have been a whole in there where they just
>>issued 2 x 3's, or maybe it just happened to depend on call sign use by regi
on.
>>Paul Bennett
>>N4EGO

>20 years ago, all the 1X3s were used up.  When I got my WA6 call in 1966,
>I'm pretty sure most or all of the call districts were already not issuing
>1X3s.  I know that was true for the 6 call district.  In the 6 district as of

>1966, all the WB6 calls had been issued, and they were cycling back through
>the WA6 calls, for whatever reason.


>Roger J. Buffington
>AB6WR
>USC Law School Class of '97

>[e-mail]

>"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my grandfather.
>Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."







From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:01 1996
From: [e-mail] (R. Dale PIedfort)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CALLSIGNS
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 10:33:50 GMT
Message-ID: <4nkoh8$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:

>ROLAND STINER <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>J>When I got my General 20 years ago, we were given 2x3's (I was WA6QIJ).
>> >There were no 1x3's for Generals.

>>What about the N2xxx series?

>There were no N calls 20 years ago that I remember. If someone can dig
>up a 1976 callbook maybe they could confirm this.
I dont think the N series call made it into the callbook until 1979
since they didnt start issueing them until late 1978   de KB7UB


>>J>Times change - blocks get used up. I wonder if we'll ever see a day
>> >when one of the call districts will have to use a 1x4 or 2x4 format?

>>Those two formats do not conform to ITU regulations.

>ITU has alloted the blocks AAA-ALZ, KAA-KZZ, NAA-NZZ, and WAA-WZZ to
>the U.S. How our FCC see fit to utilize those blocks (3 letters for
>maritime shore stations: NMO or KPH, 4 letters for ships for bcst
>stations: KHYF or WBCX, letters and numbers mixed: WNSL461 for
>Honolulu FD, or K27BD for a UHF TV translator) is of no concern to
>the ITU.

>Jeff KH2PZ




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:02 1996
From: [e-mail] (Landru 428)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CAN  YOU  IDENTIFY  THIS  MICROPHONE ?   <<  HELP  >>
Date: 8 May 1996 23:19:09 -0400
Message-ID: <4mro7d$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Landru 428)

looks just like a Telefunken U47 (with leather)


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:03 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Check out this article...
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4ltu67$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4mdv64$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 04:11:45 GMT

[e-mail] (Bob Duckworth) writes:
>HF is basically the horse lane when it comes to communications.

Really? I can't detect too much difference between the QSOs on
HF SSB and VHF FM, except that the conversations on HF tend to
be a bit more technical and cultural.

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:04 1996
From: [e-mail] (JJ Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Check out this article...
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 19:03:15 GMT
Message-ID: <4n5246$[e-mail]>
References: <4ltu67$[e-mail]> <4m8056$[e-mail]> <4m8lq3$[e-mail]> <4ml81g$[e-mail]> <4mnsm8$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Cecil,

With all due respect, let your father speak for himself please.  Some
of us may have phyical handicaps/limitations but we don't wear them on
our sleeves or display them for everyone else to see [intentionally or
otherwise].  I'm sure your father really appreciates you using his
limitation to make your  point.  Are you trying to get the
"normally-blessed" [whatever that is] to feel sorry for the others?

Let those others speak for themselves, I bet they have more pride than
to let someone who has little or no limitations to speak for them.  I
can certainly speak for me.  The limitation is in the mind of the
speaker.

If the shoes don't fit you, stay out of them...okay?
____________________________________________

[e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore~) wrote:

>In article <4ml81g$[e-mail]>,
>Tom Randolph <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>Anyone can learn to
>>ride a motorcycle or do CW. No one gets to pick where they're born. I hope w
e
>>all can appreciate the difference...

>Hi Tom, Methinks you do not appreciate the difference. My dad is 85 years
>old and drives a car in his small hometown in Texas. He has Parkenson's
>and certainly cannot learn to ride a motorcycle. Sounds to me like you
>don't acknowledge the existence of physical and mental handicaps. To the
>best of my knowledge, no one gets to pick whether they have Parkenson's
>or not.

>When are all you normally-blessed people going to stop repeating the lie
>that "Anyone can learn to ride a motorcycle or do CW"?

Okay... no one can learn to ride a motorcycle or do CW.   Feel better?
Woops!  Another lie.....DAMN!

>73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:05 1996
From: [e-mail] (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Check out this article...
Date: 14 MAY 96 12:03:55
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4nabm7$[e-mail]>
References: <4ltu67$[e-mail]> <4m8056$[e-mail]> <4m8lq3$[e-mail]> <4ml81g$[e-mail]> <4mnsm8$[e-mail]>


In article <4mnsm8$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Cecil
 A. Moore~) writes...
>In article <4ml81g$[e-mail]>,
>Hi Tom, Methinks you do not appreciate the difference. My dad is 85 years
>old and drives a car in his small hometown in Texas. He has Parkenson's
>and certainly cannot learn to ride a motorcycle. Sounds to me like you
>don't acknowledge the existence of physical and mental handicaps. To the
>best of my knowledge, no one gets to pick whether they have Parkenson's
>or not.

Your father's condition, while unfortunate, is still not a reason to elimnate
motorcycle driver's or CW tests. The fact that you'd think it is, is quite
frankly incredible!

If I was physically unable to pass the tests for a private pilot's license, I
certainly would not expect the FAA to loosen the restrictions until I could!
The tests exist for a reason, safety. If I can't fly safely, WHATEVER THE
REASON, I don't get a license. Nothing more to it than that.

CW tests existed for a reason, emergency communications. If I couldn't provide
those emergency communications, WHATEVER THE REASON, I didn't get a license.
This is no longer valid now that CW stations aren't required on board ships,
and THAT is why we should start thinking about no more CW tests.

>When are all you normally-blessed people going to stop repeating the lie
>that "Anyone can learn to ride a motorcycle or do CW"?

Maybe when people stop trying to drag us all down to the lowest common
denominator. Political correctniks would have no one better than anyone else,
and the only way they can do that is to make sure everyone is equally dumb,
equally incompetent, equally handicapped. Does that sound like a good,
progressive, world that will improve the human condition?

==============================================================================
Tom Randolph  N1OOQ  NE-QRP 419  QRP-L 87  ARRL      [e-mail]
==============================================================================


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:06 1996
From: [e-mail] (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Check out this article...
Date: 16 MAY 96 10:02:58
Message-ID: <4nfelh$[e-mail]>
References: <4ltu67$[e-mail]> <4m8056$[e-mail]> <4m8lq3$[e-mail]> <4ml81g$[e-mail]> <4mnsm8$[e-mail]> <4nabm7$[e-mail]> <4naj5h$[e-mail]>


In article <4naj5h$[e-mail]>, Vincent Biancomano <v.biancomano@ieee.o
rg> writes...
>In response to Tom Randolph:
>You miss the point entirely. The issue of Morse Code has absolutely
>nothing to do with its usefulness as a mode. And hasn't since at least
>1980.The issue is deregulation, an easing of requirements, both code and
>theory.

Nope. The issue is: What is Government's legitimate purpose in testing us for
Morse Code proficiency? No legitimate purpose, no tests. Gary is fond of
calling it "hazing". It used to be for emergency comms, but that purpose is
all but gone now. I fully agree that easing of requirements is a problem. The
legitimate purpose is knowledge of safe operation and RFI avoidance. The
current tests, which publish all the answers in advance, aren't tests at all.
Substituing CW tests for tests of genuine technical knowledge, in some sort of
effort to "keep out the riff-raff", not only gives Gary something to sink his
teeth into, but will be counter-productive in the long run. We'll become a
service of mush minds who can pound brass.

>In addition, simply because the Morse Code is being abandoned by
>the military is no reason for Amateurs to abandon it. That's because
>Morse Code serves in a far greater role for the Amateur Service.
>THAT'S the issue.

I never said we should abandon it. I agree that it serves an important purpose
in the amateur community. It's a very basic communications mode, well suited
for experimentation and use with inexpensive equipment, with about 1 to 2
S-unit's advantage over voice modes. This is siginificant for us, where it is
not for public service/military/industrial users, as part of our charter is
technical development. Even if we eliminate Morse Code tests, amateurs will do
themselves a disservice if they abandon the mode entirely.

==============================================================================
Tom Randolph  N1OOQ  NE-QRP 419  QRP-L 87  ARRL      [e-mail]
==============================================================================


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:09 1996
From: Vincent Biancomano <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Check out this article...
Date: 17 May 1996 20:48:22 GMT
Message-ID: <4niomm$[e-mail]>
References: <4ltu67$[e-mail]> <4m8056$[e-mail]> <4m8lq3$[e-mail]> <4ml81g$[e-mail]> <4mnsm8$[e-mail]> <4nabm7$[e-mail]> <4naj5h$[e-mail]> <4nfelh$[e-mail]>

 In response to Tom Randolph, who writes:

 >Nope. The issue is: What is Government's legitimate purpose in
 >testing us for Morse Code proficiency? No legitimate purpose, no
 >tests. Gary is fond of calling it "hazing". It used to be for
 >emergency comms, but that purpose is all but gone now. I fully
 >agree that easing of requirements is a problem. The legitimate
 >purpose is knowledge of safe operation and RFI avoidance.

 Incorrect. The "Constitutional Rights" type argument you advance
 is another issue all together, and it has yet to be discussed
 in court. It's awaiting a lawsuit so that it can be argued.
 For now, the subject is ham radio, and the legitimate purpose
 of testing in the Amateur Service is indicated by Part 97.1, of
 which "safe operation" and "rfi avoidance" is only a small part. The
 scope of what's included in Part 97.1 was once reflected in the rather
 challenging exams of the day. The issue now is de-facto easing
 of requirements, code and theory, and the amateur backlash
 that's come from it.

 >The current tests, which publish all the answers in advance,
 >aren't tests at all.

 That's what I've maintained all along. You haven't disagreed
 with me.

 >Substituing CW tests for tests of genuine technical knowledge, in
 >some sort of effort to "keep out the riff-raff", not only gives
 >Gary something to sink his teeth into...

 If learning cw didn't have some part in the learning of things
 technical, I'd agree with you. The relationship is subtle, but
 it's definitely there. Actually, you agree, as you indicate below:

 >I never said we should abandon it. I agree that it serves an
 >important purpose in the amateur community. It's a very basic
 >communications mode, well suited for EXPERIMENTATION and use with
 >inexpensive equipment, with about 1 to 2 S-unit's advantage over
 >voice modes. That is significant for us, where it is not for
 >public service/military/industrial users, as part of our charter
 >is TECHNICAL DEVELOPMENT...Even if we eliminate Morse Code tests,
 >amateurs will do themselves a disservice if they abandon the mode
 >entirely.

 Actually, MOST of our charter is based on technical learning.
 Unfortunately, eliminating the Morse Code tests may have the effect
 of eliminating the mode entirely, and the technical learning
 that partially derives from it. Testing ensures the mode will not
 be eliminated, simply because those who learn it will see its
 value. Otherwise, they can (and in many cases will) miss it.

 Regards,
 Vince, WB2EZG



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:10 1996
From: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Congratulations!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 11 May 96 12:16:00 -0400
Distribution: world
Reply-To: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)


To: [e-mail]
Subject: Congratulations!

M>Well, I'm 21 and I just passed my novice test last Saturday, and got my new
 >call today!

M>Matt KC8DSS

Congratulations Matt!  Keep up the good work and have lots of fun.

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From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:10 1996
From: [e-mail] (Nathaniel C. Hinkle)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Contest Logging Software( Field Day) !!!!!!!
Date: 18 May 1996 04:49:55 GMT
Message-ID: <4njktj$[e-mail]>

Hello Everyone,
        I am looking for information on contest logging
software for the PC. What are some easy to use logging
programs? I am particularly interrested in using it durring the
1996 Field Day. I would appreciate any help in this area, my
club is counting on me to come up with something good. Thank
you in advance for your help.
                                Sincerly,
                                N6CCR
                                [e-mail]
                                73's to all.



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:12 1996
From: [e-mail] (The Smartest Guy I Know)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Contest Logging Software( Field Day) !!!!!!!
Date: 17 May 1996 18:37:47 GMT
Message-ID: <4nih1r$[e-mail]>
References: <4njktj$[e-mail]>

Nathaniel C. Hinkle ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hello Everyone,
:       I am looking for information on contest logging
: software for the PC. What are some easy to use logging
: programs? I am particularly interrested in using it durring the
: 1996 Field Day. I would appreciate any help in this area, my
: club is counting on me to come up with something good. Thank
: you in advance for your help.
:                               Sincerly,
:                               N6CCR
:                               [e-mail]
:                               73's to all.
:

Check out Larry O'cull's (WR9R) Field Day logging software.  We've used
it and liked it.  Larry's home page is www.netride.com/locull/wr9r.

Joe San Filippo/WZ5R
Las Cruces, NM




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:12 1996
From: Kenneth Proffitt <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: correction
Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 21:05:10 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Can you tell when a homosexual lisps doing cw?  You can't the rest
should follow the previous message.  You may reply to my email address.

Thanks.  Ken :)


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:14 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Cursing on 2 meters
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4lp86p$[e-mail]> <4lqu8t$[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 03:28:52 GMT

In article <4lqu8t$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>The best course of action you can take is to operate *YOUR* station
>according to the law and in the best tradition of amateur radio...

...along with a 16 element beam backed up with a 100w amp operating
into the offending repeater. Then the criminals won't be able to
jam you and will *have* to sit and listen to a good operator. They
might even learn some good operating practices! But make sure you
have something interesting to say.

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:15 1996
From: [e-mail] (Figaredo Martin, Alberto Ignac)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW ALternative: Here it is :)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 14 May 96 16:11:59 +0100
References: <4n3u9b$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, Sie
gfried Rambaum <[e-mail]> writes:
> On Sun, 12 May 1996 [e-mail] wrote:
>
>>  I might propose a rule change that says ... "If you want to operate
>> CW on the HF bands you must first pass a code test to update your
>> license.  HOWEVER if you do NOT intend to operate CW then you do NOT
>> need to take or pass a code test."
>
> Lots of guys argue along the line, that CW is outdated in the age of the
> computer. However, international conventions require that HF operating
> privileges include the capability of understanding one digital mode of
> transmission. CW is such a digital mode (else computers wont understand
> it)... I wonder, if those who vouch for abolishing CW for HF
> privileges will really be capable to copy 300 baud RTTY or 1200 ASCII ...
> I dont mind, if those who want to skip CW get it skipped and get some
> RTTY oder ASCII signals fed to their headphones. And if your fingers are
> really trained, you even might master keying ASCII in a sensible way.
>
> Lets replace CW by straight keyed ASCII :)
>
Yes but you have to study 255 Charecters in morse roughly 50,
much less. And for ANY char in ASCII it takes eight ceros and
ones (eg. 01001110, di-da-di-di-da-da-da-di) where in morse it
would take less than five (numbes 3 ...-- di di di da da) for all
letters is lees than 5, even the e is just . di

So as you wish... :)

BUT Cw is the mode to play with minimum help. You just need a
font of RF and connecting and disconnecting it, comsuming much
little energy. Remember that even ASTRONAUTS HAVE to know it, the
last way to exchange info, IF EVERYTHING ELSE FAILS.

73s de EB1CFL (VHF/UHF) & EC1AJY (HF NOVICE, yeah! 5 WPM)
op. Alberto




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:15 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW ALternative: Here it is :)
Date: Tue, 14 May 96 15:48:51 GMT
Message-ID: <4nae4k$[e-mail]>
References: <4n3u9b$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (Figaredo Martin, Alberto Ignac)

>Remember that even ASTRONAUTS HAVE to know it, the last way to
>exchange info, IF EVERYTHING ELSE FAILS.

The value of Morse lies in its simplicity and effectiveness.  No one
can claim to be a competent radio operator without code proficiency.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:17 1996
Date: 17 May 1996 09:56:28 PST
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Big J)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4nae4k$[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: CW ALternative: Here it is :)


  I whole heartedly agree, I posted in a different forum on
that subject, called "ham radio discussions". I think it's in
a different group of "forums" .. This is USENET isnt it??
I am still not familiar with all of this.

 Please reply here, and also reply to Big-J @kincyb.com in case
I have trouble here..Dont forget the "-" in Big-J at the kincyb
address only..  Thanks and 73...also looking for a radio club
in the Albuquerque NM area...

    JIM - KE6YB - Studio City Ca.


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:19 1996
From: Madjid VE2GMI <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW ALternative: Here it is :)
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 19:38:53 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4n3u9b$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4nae4k$[e-mail]> <4nau93$[e-mail]>

Drew Durigan wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:
> >
> >   [e-mail] (Figaredo Martin, Alberto Ignac)
> >
> >>Remember that even ASTRONAUTS HAVE to know it, the last way to
> >>exchange info, IF EVERYTHING ELSE FAILS.
> >
> >The value of Morse lies in its simplicity and effectiveness.  No one
> >can claim to be a competent radio operator without code proficiency.
> >
> >73,
> >Jack  WB3U
>
> Better tell that to all the military radio operators who have recently
> abandoned the code.
>
> -Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
>  KF4DDM

Mr NoCode,

When your area will be hit by a disaster, you can forget about all you
fancy "digital" stuff. No more Internet (What a relief), finito le packet,
no more VHF/UHF. Cellular phone gone. All the fancy DIGITAL stuff will be
dead.

Check out what happened in Seatle. That was a small tremor only...

The only thing left is the HF Xver, mike and if there is no propagation...
... THE KEY.

BTW, I am not against digital stuff. I am an electronics eng. and a
system software designer.... So don't talk to me about digital stuff
I know all about it.

Sweet dreams, CW Nightmares ..._ ._


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:20 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW ALternative: Here it is :)
Date: 18 May 1996 05:14:39 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4njmbv$[e-mail]>
References: <4n3u9b$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4nae4k$[e-mail]> <4nau93$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

>The only thing left is the HF Xver, mike and if there is no propagation..


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:21 1996
From: Bruce Burke <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 07:58:23 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nblio$[e-mail]> <4ncms3$[e-mail]> <4nd65h$[e-mail]>

Jim Cummings wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (Marc Purdon) wrote:
> >
> >Jim Sheffield ([e-mail]) writes:
> >>
> >> NOT GOOD ENOUGH!  Morse is the oldest and proudest
> >> tradition in ham radio.  Some traditions are too precious to
> >> discard (e.g., the nuclear family).  Learning Morse should
> >> be the entry ticket into ham radio.  If you want to join the
> >> fraternity/sorority, pass the entrance exam.  73, KB7ET
> >
> >The point is that any amateur can operate without CW on VHF and UHF. So if
> >they really want to talk around the world and such without CW, they can do
> >so via packet or satellite on VHF/UHF. They want HF? Take a few months to
> >practice.
> >
> >
>
> But what is that characteristic about Morse code such that it is vital to
> know that mode of communications on the bands below 30 MHz, yet it is not
> necessary for operations above that frequency?
>
> 73 and live better digitally
> Jim, VE3XJ

There is no characteristic, just international law which requires it.

73,

Bruce WB4YUC


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:22 1996
From: Bruce Burke <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 08:01:21 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nblio$[e-mail]> <4ncms3$[e-mail]> <4nd65h$[e-mail]> <4ndgde$[e-mail]>

Vincent Biancomano wrote:
>
> In response to Jim Cummings:
> Actually, the typical amateur at VHF does find cw vital, if
> he or she is going to work some weak signal DX via tropo, sporadic
> E, or the like. And not a contest goes by where at least one ham
> doesn't apologize for his lack of skills when unable to completely
> copy the call sign of a ham trying to work him crossmode. From that
> standpoint, the phrase "it's not necessary to know cw at VHF"
> isn't true!
>
> Regards,
> Vince, WB2EZG
Vince,

For most circumstances, it isn't necessary. I'm afraid that
typical VHF work these days is either FM voice or packet.

In those special cases, such as the one you have
mentioned as well as EME work, it is very important.

73,

Bruce, WB4YUC


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:23 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gary Hosler - KN0Z)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 14:10:58 GMT
Message-ID: <4nfdam$[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nb9mb$[e-mail]> <4nc7vt$[e-mail]> <4nd67f$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:

>[e-mail] () wrote:
>>
>>
>>--  Is CW outdated?
>>
>>    What, exactly, does outdated mean?  My dictionary defines it as:
>>    "old-fashioned".
>>
>>    So What?  A 1975 Ford Pickup Truck (or earlier year and make) is
>>    old-fashioned.  With its breaker-point ignition, lack of computer-
>>    assisted engine controls, and carburetor-aspirated V8, it is merely
>>    extremely reliable, user-serviceable, tough, and long-lived.  Many
>>    of them continue to soldier on, oblivious to their jelly-bean
>>    shaped descendants.  Even older vehicles enjoyed longer service
>>    lives.  Today's tinfoil and plastic will never give this value.


>People who drive "old-fashioned" vehicles do so by choice.  Fine, I have
>no problem with that as it is their preferred mode of transportation.  In
>fact, my favorite vehicle of all time happens to be the 1977 Oldsmobile
>Cutlass Supreme.

>But there is no law, MANDATING that someone prove proficiency in driving
>a 1975 Ford Pickup Truck before they are given the privilege of driving a
>1996 Dodge Viper, now is there?

>And that is as it should be.


>-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
> KF4DDM

To use your analogy, it doesn't matter whether you are going to drive
a 1975 Ford Pickup, 1995 Dodge Viper, or a 1977 Olds Cutlass,...you
must pass a test and be proficient in any of them.  Doesn't matter
that one uses points and carb and the other EFI and CPU control, you
must still pass the same drivers test.  The bottom line is that the
ITU mandates the CW requirement.  Even if the ITU were to change the
rule, that doesn't mean that the FCC will!

Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of my employe
r.


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:24 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jerry B. Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: 16 May 1996 11:01:08 -0400
Message-ID: <4nffvk$[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4nf3ld$[e-mail]>

In article <4nf3ld$[e-mail]>,
Michael Van Meter <[e-mail]> wrote:
>That outdated technology [Morse] will still get through when none of the othe
r
>technologies will. That's the primary reason that it's still a
>requirement.

So *that's* why NASA hires throngs of CW ops to receive data from
deep-space probes! I was wondering about that. And the military wasted so
much money on EMP-resistant comms, when all they needed was more CW
stations! Of course!

Followups set to rec.radio.amateur.flam^H^H^H^Hpolicy. Please respect that.
(You too, Jeff.)

>        Michael Van Meter

//jbaltz
--
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]                KE3ML


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:26 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bob Gilbert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: Thu, 16 May 96 14:54:35 GMT
Message-ID: <4nff6j$[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nap3l$[e-mail]>

In article <4nap3l$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:
>   [e-mail] (Marc Purdon) wrote:
>
>>One big argument is that CW is an outdated mode.
>
>What does "outdated" mean, aside from the fact that it ascribes the
>characteristic of being a mature technology that has been superceded
>for some purpose(s) by newer methods?  This has no relevance to the
>usefulness of Morse in the Amateur Radio service.  To define Morse as
>"obsolete" (as opposed to "outdated") would require that some newer
>technology be available that would surpass *all* the advantages of
>Morse.  As yet, such technology does not exist.
>
>73,
>Jack WB3U

Well stated, Jack! There are advantages to CW that have yet to be buried by
the newer modes - and likely never will be! I am an avid packet user and see
many advantages to the ever growing body of digital technology. However, CW
has and, in my opinion, will long retain, an important place in amateur radio
communication.

Weigh this by the fact that I am yet among the no-code Techs who have yet to
master CW. The fact that I do not have access to the HF bands does not in any
way diminish the ongoing worth of an "outdated" mode. Instead of bemoa
ning the fact that CW is still Greek to me and demanding my "rights", I'll
choose to keep plugging away at the mysterious code untill I can finally whip
it! I do not doubt that CW will still be alive and well when I'm an SK! But I
plan to be able to pound out QRT on my casket lid while they cart me away!


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:27 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
From: Andrew Falcone <[e-mail]>
Date: 16 May 96 10:53:22 CDT
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nb9mb$[e-mail]>


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[e-mail] (Marc Purdon) wrote:
>Drew Durigan ([e-mail]) writes:
>>
>> But there is no law, MANDATING that someone prove proficiency in driving
>> a 1975 Ford Pickup Truck before they are given the privilege of driving a
>> 1996 Dodge Viper, now is there?
>>
>> And that is as it should be.
>
>You can't really compare in such a way. The difference between the 1975
>Pickup and the 1996 Viper, is like the difference between an old Drake
>analog HF rig and an ICOM 781. An appropriate comparison would be to
>compare planes, trains and automobiles. The key word here is MODE.
>Mode of transmission. Mode of transportation.
>
>When I was in High School, I had to take History, geography etc. I had to
>take those courses in order to get my High School certificate. At the time
>I wondered why, I had no intention to go into such fields and no interest in
>those subjects. Now I find some of what I learned in those classes quite
>useful. The same goes for CW. Those who learn it may never intend to use
>it, but learn it anyhow to get their HF license. Later they realize that
>it is quite useful.
>




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:28 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
From: Andrew Falcone <[e-mail]>
Date: 16 May 96 10:54:56 CDT
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:
>Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>But there is no law, MANDATING that someone prove proficiency in driving
>>a 1975 Ford Pickup Truck before they are given the privilege of driving a
>>1996 Dodge Viper, now is there?
>
>Drew, you can drive your Viper on over 97% of the radio highways without
>ever having sat in a 75 Ford Pickup.
>
>Our HF bands consists of a total of 3.75 Megacycles. Less than the 4 Mc
>width of 2M. You've got over 127 Mc available to you with your Tech+
>ticket. Why complain?
>
>Jeff KH2PZ




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:29 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: Fri, 17 May 96 06:42:48 GMT
Message-ID: <4nhb9f$[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nb9mb$[e-mail]> <4nc7vt$[e-mail]> <4nd67f$[e-mail]> <4nfu8i$[e-mail]> <4ngtop$[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:

>We should only be so fortunate as to have too many licensed amateurs
>on HF.  Instead, we have just the opposite problem...too few of us to
>insure our present allocations in the face of pressure from
>commercial interests.  Removing the CW initiation rite would go a
>long way towards increasing our numbers and assuring retention of our
>present frequency allocations.

Drew, I don't think you know the first thing about this subject.
First, the HF bands are already overcrowded.  Second, commercial
interests are looking at VHF and above.  If occupancy is the basis
of your position, we should do everything possible to keep more hams
from gaining HF privelages.  In fact, we should kick everone off HF
who can't copy Morse for a minute solid at 20-25 WPM and force them
onto the bands we're actually in danger of losing.

>>  The CW barrier helps ensure that only individuals who have the
>>  determination, patience, and committment . . .

>Translation: the CW barrier helps ensure that only individuals who
>are "one of us", "real hams", etc., who pass our little initiation
>rites will be allowed access to our private good 'ol boys club on HF.

That's not what he said at all.  I'm sure he meant that if you're
willing to develop the necessary operating skills, you would be
welcome on HF.

>Sorry, but the barriers are being knocked down.  Now that no-code
>Techs comprise the largest class of licensees, it's only a matter of
>time before the CW burden is lifted on HF as well.

If that happens, it will simply mean the demise of Amateur Radio.
A near-idiot could pass the current "technical" exams and CW is the
last requirement keeping us from becoming another CB.

>Either voluntarily, or by litigation.  My guess is that the good 'ol
>boys will continue to resist and the issue will eventually be settled
>in the courts.

Some of those good 'ol boys don't even have HF privelages yet,
but they're just as opposed to your position as I am.  Anyway,
the preceding statments show how little you know about the process.
Civil courts don't give a rat's behind about your HF privelages.
You apparently don't either, or you'd be practicing code instead
of wasting time complaining.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:31 1996
From: James Marshall <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 00:48:58 +0000
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nblio$[e-mail]> <4ncms3$[e-mail]> <4nd65h$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Andrew D. Lawlor wrote:
>
> Jim Cummings wrote:
> >
> > [e-mail] (Marc Purdon) wrote:
> > >
> > >Jim Sheffield ([e-mail]) writes:
> > >>
> > >> NOT GOOD ENOUGH!  Morse is the oldest and proudest
> > >> tradition in ham radio.  Some traditions are too precious to
> > >> discard (e.g., the nuclear family).  Learning Morse should
> > >> be the entry ticket into ham radio.  If you want to join the
> > >> fraternity/sorority, pass the entrance exam.  73, KB7ET
> > >
> > >The point is that any amateur can operate without CW on VHF and UHF. So i
f
> > >they really want to talk around the world and such without CW, they can d
o
> > >so via packet or satellite on VHF/UHF. They want HF? Take a few months to
> > >practice.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > But what is that characteristic about Morse code such that it is vital to
> > know that mode of communications on the bands below 30 MHz, yet it is not
> > necessary for operations above that frequency?
> >
>
> Jim et all...
>
> I think it's got something to do with the fact that you are working globally
> on HF and locally on VHF/UHF (generally speaking).  Besides the UK and Japan
, most
> HAMs in other countries don't have the luxury to be able to afford all the m
odern
> high tech wiz-bang rigs that you and I have access to here.  Overseas, CW st
ill maintains a
> strong hold with amatuers and proffessionals alike.  While "we" here in the
US have
> advanced beyond the need to rely on CW as a primary means of communications,
 other
> countries aren't that lucky.  Times are changing, though, and eventually CW
will be phased
> out for all but HAM's.  But that's still a long way down the road & in the m
ean time it
> still serves a valuable purpose.
>
> My favorite mode has always been CW, but I suppose I'm biased by the fact th
at
> it used to be my primary job in the military.  I still enjoy making CW conta
cts and
> hardly ever use SSB on HF and don't much enjoy 2M FM or packet.  I'm still w
ondering
> what advantages there are in packet, maybe you can fill me in.  My father an
d I tried
> sending packet messages between Nebraska and Michigan for a couple weeks but
 only a
> few ever got through.  Those that did were not timely at all.  We are curren
tly
> sending e-mail via the internet as a temporary fix until he can get his 80M
dipole back
> up and then we can chat on HF (using CW, of  course).  :)
>
> What is the challenge of picking up a mic and squaking out "VE3XJ monitoring
" over
> a local repeater and having someone 3 miles down the road come back to you?
 Is this
> activity worthy of a QSL exchange?  Maybe in the eyes of the new codeless ha
ms, perhaps.
>
> Where is the challenge in shouting CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ DE VE3XJ VE3XJ CQ CQ
 CQ...
> on HF?  I don't believe there is any, really.  Why not pick up a telephone a
nd randomly
> dial long distance numbers.  Someone will eventually pick up.  I'm sure you'
ll learn
> all you need to know about someones hemroids or gall bladder problems.  Enjo
y!
>
> And the least challenging of all (so far) is packet.  Jeepers, what's that a
ll about
> anyway?  Why not just jump online and send message via AOL?!  It takes most
of the
> personal touch out of HAM radio, don't you think?  Sure its useful, I'll giv
e you
> that. I can leave a message on someones TNC, but then again, I could do that
> on their answering machine, too.  Half the time, you're not even communicati
ng with
> another HAM, it's probably just his TNC.
>
> On the other hand, when I use CW (a signal which takes up less bandwidth tha
n FM or SSB) to
> make contacts, both myself and the operator at the distant end need to be sk
illed (to some
> degree) in copying and sending CW.  We both spent time searching the band, l
istening for
> a call or sending CQ until someone copied our callsign and responded.  Someo
ne that was
> skilled enough to know what the callsign was.
>
> Here's something else to consider: language barriers.  On SSB or FM, if you
are working a HAM
> from Russia or Argentina, they might know a few words of english -- do you k
now any words in
> their language?  I've worked a lot of foreign CW stations and using internat
ional Q-codes and
> common HAM abbreviations, I've always been able to have pretty excellent QSO
's.  CW is an
> international "language" that's been around for a long time.  Millions of pe
ople learned CW
> because they had to if they wanted to communicate.
>
> CW is undisputably the grandfather of radio communications.  It is an import
ant part of
> HAM radio today and tomorrow.  It certainly isn't the fastest nor the most g
lamorous
> mode of communications available, but it isn't used up and ready for retirem
ent either.
>
> After all the years people have been using CW, both proffessionally and for
pleasure, why
> is it that now it's "suddenly" out of date?  What is the problem with learni
ng CW?  Does
> it require too much effort?  Is it going to harm someone?  What is the basic
 malfunction
> with the new breed of would-be-hams?
>
> When I was told drivers educations was a mandatory requirement before gettin
g my drivers
> license, I took drivers ed.  When I was told a vision test was required befo
re I could
> get a drivers license, I took a vision test.  When I was told that I needed
a blood test
> to get married, I took a blood test.  What is the REAL problem with the code
 test requirement?
Ther is also an attraction of using cw and for instance I take great
pride in always attempting to continually improve. The other great asset
in being profficient in cw is the fact that English and the cw
appreviations are understood internationally....Jim


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:33 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: 17 May 1996 21:59:34 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4niss6$[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nb9mb$[e-mail]> <4nc7vt$[e-mail]> <4nd67f$[e-mail]> <4nebhq$[e-mail]>

>You can't really compare in such a way. The difference between the 1975
>Pickup and the 1996 Viper, is like the difference between an old Drake
>analog HF rig and an ICOM 781. An appropriate comparison would be to
>compare planes, trains and automobiles. The key word here is MODE.
>Mode of transmission. Mode of transportation.


Fine!  Let's do it your way...comparing mode of transmission to mode of
transportation...

A private automobile is the dominant means of transportation in this
country.  If someone chooses an automobile as their means of
transportation, they do not have to pass a test on proper operation of a
motorcycle, a school bus, or a semi-truck.  However, if someone CHOOSES
to use one of the above alternative modes of transportation, they have
the option of showing proficiency by means of special testing.  If they
show proficiency and pass the exams, they are then given the additional
privileges of using their preferred mode of alternative transportation.

Again, this is as it should be.


-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:34 1996
From: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Do we have any young hams
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 08 May 96 21:32:00 -0400
Distribution: world
Reply-To: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)


To: [e-mail]
Subject: Do we have any young hams (was Re: Dying off)

J>Anybody care to speculate on this?  (As if an invite was needed...)
 >Just how do we pry young folks away from computer games and the web
 >to do HF, code and 1200 baud packet?

You can't!  Young people today have too short of an attention span to
be interested in anything that does not constantly flicker and make
exploding noises.
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From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:36 1996
From: Christopher Dickens <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Do we have any young hams
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 23:36:08 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

ROLAND STINER wrote:
> J>Anybody care to speculate on this?  (As if an invite was needed...)
>  >Just how do we pry young folks away from computer games and the web
>  >to do HF, code and 1200 baud packet?
>
> You can't!  Young people today have too short of an attention span to
> be interested in anything that does not constantly flicker and make
> exploding noises.

I resemble that remark!  Being young is a vague indicator anyway, but I
will say this.  I became interested in HAM radio about 16 years of age.
It really is quite a task to practice for the Technician license which
is what I want to use the 2-meter band, etc.  I've held off until now,
and am very seriously reconsidering picking up the book and making
myself get these tests down and go nab my license.  I'm currently 18
years old to give you an idea of how long ago I am talking about. 8-)

I actually have quite a bit of material, but actually am worried that
they may have revisited the tests and I'll need new material.  Any ideas
on this?

Also, if anyone cares to shed light on just HOW can you come up with
your own Vanity Callsign?  Do you just slap a few letters on the
beginning and end of your region?  (Mine being 4)  Thanks for all
assistance!


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:37 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Do we have any young hams
Date: 11 May 1996 15:29:39 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4n2bp3$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

>I resemble that remark!  Being young is a vague indicator anyway, but I

>will say this.  I became interested in HAM radio about 16 years of age.

>It really is quite a task to practice for the Technician license which
>is what I want to use the 2-meter band, etc.

Beware of YE OLDE FAHRTZ who will continually attempt to demoralize you
by stating that the Technician tests are simply "guessing", "dumbed down",
 etc.  The fact that you do not have any interest in learning an outdated
communications technique like Morse code does not sit well with them, and
they will demean you and your license class whenever they have an
opportunity to do so.

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:38 1996
From: [e-mail] (JJ Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Do we have any young hams (was Re: Dying off)
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 19:06:39 GMT
Message-ID: <4n52ai$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mbpb9$[e-mail]> <4mc36p$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4mng8d$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

I've only been a ham for 15 years.  That make me a young "ham" doesn't
it?  I'd say all these new people are really, really young hams...

   de jim, wk1v
________________________________

[e-mail] (Matt Roberts) wrote:

>I just crossed the 20 year mark...does that qualify as "young?"
>----
>Matt Roberts, KK5JY,
>[e-mail]







From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:39 1996
From: [e-mail] (JJ Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Do we have any young hams (was Re: Dying off)
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 19:15:57 GMT
Message-ID: <4n52s0$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mc36p$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4mqv0k$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Uhhhh...sorry, but only PART of my antenna was supplied courtesy of
HRO.  I purchase my balun and ladder line (separately) at HRO.  The
ther materials came from my junk box of parts that I have accumulated
over the last 20 years or so.

Antennas is correct.  [I was never sure myself until now : )]
Antennae is plural for the sensory organs of bugs, etc.  Antenni does
not appear in any of my dictionaries.

Cheers!
   jim, wk1v
_______________________________________________

[e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>, James D. Cronin <[e-mail]> wrote
:

>>It would be great if we had an influx of new hams.  It looks like
>>most of what we got are 'old farts' and aging baby boomers.  Very
>>few who are obviously under 30 (or 20).

>Today's Amateur Radio Operator is an appliance operator, with 100% all
>commercial gear. Even their antennas(antenni?) are commercially
>supplied courtesy of HRO.

>As such, to afford all this gear, the Average Amateur Radio Operator must
>have a certain level of income to substantiate the buying power they
>need to own their gear. Not too many kids in college or high-school have
>that level of buying power on their own.

>MD




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:41 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Drew's Work Ethic (was: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4n52vt$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4n66jg$[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 09:31:53 GMT

Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>That's because they're in the way, taking up space and spending us dry
>with their entitlements from Social Security, Medicare, etc.  Down here
>in Florida, the "greedy old geezers" are everywhere.  It makes me sick to
>watch them drive their new Cadillacs from their new homes to the golf
>courses every day while I fork over 15.3% of my hard-earned pay in order
>to provide for their Social Security and Medicare.
>There is a generational war brewing in this country, make no mistake
>about it!

Hey Spew, my dad drives a new Cad - he gets a new one every two years.
He also has three homes: Palm Springs, Studio City, and Maui. And he
takes neither SS nor Medicare. Know why? He quit school at 15 and worked
18-hour days for half a century in a business he and his brothers built with
their hands and their sweat. Now he's enjoying the money he earned.
Their type of work ethic is what made this country prosper after WWII.

If you're an example of your generation's work ethic ("Gimme HF but don't
make me learn the code!") then God help this country's future.

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:42 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drew's Work Ethic (was: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
From: Andrew Falcone <[e-mail]>
Date: 16 May 96 10:50:17 CDT
References: <[e-mail]> <4n52vt$[e-mail]>


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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:
>Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>That's because they're in the way, taking up space and spending us dry
>>with their entitlements from Social Security, Medicare, etc.  Down here
>>in Florida, the "greedy old geezers" are everywhere.  It makes me sick to
>>watch them drive their new Cadillacs from their new homes to the golf
>>courses every day while I fork


               <<<<<<<  AD NAUSEUM  >>>>>>>



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:44 1996
From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drew's Work Ethic (was: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 17:22:23 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4n52vt$[e-mail]>  <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> Andrew Falcone <afalco
[e-mail]> writes:

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>[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:
>>Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>That's because they're in the way, taking up space and spending us dry
>>>with their entitlements from Social Security, Medicare, etc.  Down here
>>>in Florida, the "greedy old geezers" are everywhere.  It makes me sick to
>>>watch them drive their new Cadillacs from their new homes to the golf
>>>courses every day while I fork


>               <<<<<<<  AD NAUSEUM  >>>>>>>

Hi Andrew.

Try to ignore drew. He is a narrow minded bigot, who will attack you, call
names, make assumptions, make threats, condons criminal activity, and has
even admitted to breaking federal law.

He is truly a weak minded individual, who deserves no attention (even tho that
s
what he is after). A true disgrace to ham radio...and all this after he has
been licensed for 7 measly months.


Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:45 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drew's Work Ethic (was: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Date: 17 May 1996 04:07:52 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4ngu2o$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4n52vt$[e-mail]>  <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

>Try to ignore drew. He is a narrow minded bigot, who will attack you,
call
>names, make assumptions, make threats, condons criminal activity, and
>has even admitted to breaking federal law.

Ooh...big boy, Chris!!  here we go again with more of the same baseless
accusations, slanderous drivel, and non-truths.

Gee, Chris...it was just a few months ago that I challenged you to back
up your defamation of my character, and you were completely unable to do
so.  Do we really have to go through it all over again?

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:46 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Reisert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: DXCC via the Internet
Date: 13 May 1996 11:59:04 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4n7868$[e-mail]>

I gave a presentation at the New England DXCC dinner last October, the topic
of which was how the Internet applies to DXing.  At the time, I had collected
E-mail addresses from amateurs in about 80 DXCC countries.

Today, that list of E-mail addresses has surpassed 120 countries, so one could
conclude that is is possible to work DXCC via the Internet.  Remember, these
are hams who have Internet accounts in those countries.  I am aware that more
countries are reachable via the Internet, however, there must be a ham at the
other end!

You can visit the list on the World Wide Web:

        http://www.tiac.net/users/ad1c/internet-dxcc.html

--
Jim Reisert <[e-mail]>
http://www.tiac.net/users/ad1c/



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:47 1996
From: [e-mail] (JJ Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Dying off
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 19:16:54 GMT
Message-ID: <4n52tp$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4l0o2u$[e-mail]> <4l0oim$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4lmsrj$5dq@ <[e-mail]> <4ml2ds$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] wrote:

>robert bowman <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>check dictionary for 'hyperbole'
>
>Check dictionary for "making silly statements".

What page?



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:47 1996
From: [e-mail] (JJ Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Dying off
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 19:18:02 GMT
Message-ID: <4n52vt$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4l0o2u$[e-mail]> <4l0oim$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4lmsrj$[e-mail]> <4lucsg$[e-mail]> <4mb75u$[e-mail]> <31894577.94 <4md5tg$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] wrote:

>Jim Hollenback <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>to just about every one there has gray hair, and about half of them
>>look like they could barely walk in from the parking lot.
>
>Those hams with gray hair, who can barely walk in from the parking lot
>were at Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima, Battle of the Bulge, D-Day, etc. They saved
>this country!

Please don't forget that!!



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:48 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Charles A. Hewson)
Subject: FM Repeaters Santa Barbara CA
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 03:11:43 GMT

        I will be in area on vacation. Is there an open repeater directory
posted on the internet?

Charles A. Hewson
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:49 1996
From: Albert Lee Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.robotics.misc,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Future postings of L.O.S.A ?
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 15:29:26 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Christer Johansson wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> >Why are you posting this crap about stamps?  It costs me money
> >to download news and I can't pick and choose.  Who the Hell asked
> >you to do this?
> Deleted text....
> I understand that not everyone is using the STAMP but I think many
> people enjoy reading what could be done and maybe get som hints or
> inspiration for applications of their own or am I wrong ?
>
> Regards,

        I agree Christer, even those of us who don't use the Basic
Stamp are interested.  And congratulations on your self-control.  I
sometimes find it difficult to hold my tongue with the rude and
nasty whiners here.

        Please post more, not less!

-- Regards, Albert

----------------------------------------------------------------------
AM Research, the Embedded Control Experts.   http://www.amresearch.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:51 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jurkat)
Newsgroups: comp.robotics.misc,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Future postings of L.O.S.A ?
Date: 14 May 1996 13:44:45 GMT
Message-ID: <4na2od$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

The Stamp Faq is done very well and I like to see it here every month.
Perhaps Mr/Ms Anonymous should quit playing with the anonymous servers
and find a real ISP and get rid of that 300 baud modem. Netscape is
pretty slick these days. :-0
Alternatively LOSA can be reduced to a one page summary with just the
http or ftp pointers and maybe an automated email return mailer (like
archie).

The main reason I like to see this faq is because with a Stamp a
person new to electronics can actually be up and running in a couple
of hours and that includes putting all the parts together on a
breadboard.
My stamp I works fine with my 8-bit PC running Dos 3.x and I had
a simple test program running inside 10 minutes. Most of the commands
are rather simple to use and it's a great way to get into building robots.
(I think this applies to most of the other newsgroups listed in this
post's header.)

Also I would like to thank Christer and others like him for their
time and effort in providing these faqs for the rest of us.  It sure
helps us a great deal with our hobby or work projects. Thanks!

dj

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Hi,
>
>>Why are you posting this crap about stamps?  It costs me money
>>to download news and I can't pick and choose.  Who the Hell asked
>>you to do this?
>
>Received several of the above e-mail from a person who didn't like
>to give his name or e-mail address, he used an anonymous-remailer !
>
>However I would like to hear if others feel the same about L.O.S.A
>and if thats the case I will stop posting it.
>
>I understand that not everyone is using the STAMP but I think many
>people enjoy reading what could be done and maybe get som hints or
>inspiration for applications of their own or am I wrong ?
>
>Regards,
>
>/Christer
>
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> * High Tech Horizon  -  Christer Johansson  -  E-mail: [e-mail] *
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> * Vi saljer Parallax, Inc. BASIC Stamp's produkter i Skandinavien *
>     >>  World Wide Web On-Line Catalog - http://www.hth.com  <<
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:52 1996
From: [e-mail] (Wes Stewart)
Newsgroups: comp.robotics.misc,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Future postings of L.O.S.A ?
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 17:53:55 GMT
Message-ID: <4nahcs$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Christer Johansson) wrote:

>Hi,

>>Why are you posting this crap about stamps?  It costs me money
>>to download news and I can't pick and choose.  Who the Hell asked
>>you to do this?

>Received several of the above e-mail from a person who didn't like
>to give his name or e-mail address, he used an anonymous-remailer !

>However I would like to hear if others feel the same about L.O.S.A
>and if thats the case I will stop posting it.

>I understand that not everyone is using the STAMP but I think many
>people enjoy reading what could be done and maybe get som hints or
>inspiration for applications of their own or am I wrong ?

>Regards,

>/Christer

When I saw the article, I was able, without my mommy
helping me, figure out that it was a fairly large posting.

If this jerk would read, he could see the same and chose
not to load the article.

Keep posting, they are interesting, and something I
would like to try.



Have a wonderful day - I don't work for Internet America

Wes Stewart
E-Mail  :  [e-mail]
WWW site:  www.webcell.com/wstewart



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:53 1996
From: [e-mail] (Floyd Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.robotics.misc,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Future postings of L.O.S.A ?
Date: 12 May 1996 17:35:19 GMT
Message-ID: <4n57gn$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Hi,
>
>>Why are you posting this crap about stamps?  It costs me money
>>to download news and I can't pick and choose.  Who the Hell asked
>>you to do this?
>
>Received several of the above e-mail from a person who didn't like
>to give his name or e-mail address, he used an anonymous-remailer !
>
>However I would like to hear if others feel the same about L.O.S.A
>and if thats the case I will stop posting it.
>
>I understand that not everyone is using the STAMP but I think many
>people enjoy reading what could be done and maybe get som hints or
>inspiration for applications of their own or am I wrong ?
>
>Regards,
>
>/Christer
>
>
I don't mind as long as you don't post the same hints, i rather enjoy them
--
Floyd of Fort Brown
Procrastination is my game



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:54 1996
From: [e-mail] (Floyd Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.robotics.misc,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Future postings of L.O.S.A ?
Date: 13 May 1996 16:51:24 GMT
Message-ID: <4n7pac$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Hi,
>
>>Why are you posting this crap about stamps?  It costs me money
>>to download news and I can't pick and choose.  Who the Hell asked
>>you to do this?
>
>Received several of the above e-mail from a person who didn't like
>to give his name or e-mail address, he used an anonymous-remailer !
>
>However I would like to hear if others feel the same about L.O.S.A
>and if thats the case I will stop posting it.
>
>I understand that not everyone is using the STAMP but I think many
>people enjoy reading what could be done and maybe get som hints or
>inspiration for applications of their own or am I wrong ?
>
>Regards,
>
>/Christer
>
sounds like he needs to check at&t or some other provider if he is in the
US, no reason to pay by message in this day and age!!
--
Floyd of Fort Brown
Procrastination is my game



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:55 1996
From: [e-mail] (Scott Sidener)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: GE MPS PROGRAMMING WANTED
Date: 17 May 1996 01:58:15 GMT
Message-ID: <4ngmfn$[e-mail]>

Hi,

I am looking for either a cable, schematic, software, instructions
or all of the above in order to be able to program my GE MPS handheld
radio.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get the equipment to do this?

I would really appreciate any comments.

Thanks,

Scott Sidener    N0WFL

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:56 1996
From: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Getting your speed up
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 11 May 96 12:16:00 -0400
Distribution: world
Reply-To: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)


To: [e-mail]
Subject: Getting your speed up

  >it.  Now if I could only get up to 20 wpm!

You will, just keep working at it.  Best way to work your speed up is to
get on the air and make some contacts each night if possible.
---
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From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:57 1996
From: [e-mail] (RULLMANR)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: GR 1606A RF Impedance Bridge
Date: 14 May 1996 13:37:43 -0400
Message-ID: <4nagd7$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (RULLMANR)

Frequency Range:  400 KHz. - 60 MHz.
Resistance Range: 0 - 1000 ohms
Reactance Range:  +/- 5000 ohms @ 1 MHz.  Varies inversely with frequency.
                                  i.e. +/- 1000 ohms @ 5 MHz.
Includes adapter plate with BNC at unknown terminal and Xerox of instr.
book.
Price: $325
GR adapters to BNC, C, & N available at time of purchase for $15/ea.
Bob Rullman, [phone]
[e-mail]
\


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:58 1996
From: [e-mail] (Curtis D. Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Date: 13 May 1996 15:44:32 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>  <4l0o2u$[e-mail]> <4l0oim$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>  <4lmsrj$[e-mail]> <4lucsg$[e-mail]>  <4mb75u$[e-mail]> <31894577.94 <4md5tg$[e-mail]>  <[e-mail]> <4n52vt$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4n66jg$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

On 13 May 1996 02:25:52 GMT, Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
|That's because they're in the way, taking up space and spending us dry
|with their entitlements from Social Security, Medicare, etc.  Down here
|in Florida, the "greedy old geezers" are everywhere.  It makes me sick to
|watch them drive their new Cadillacs from their new homes to the golf
|courses every day while I fork over 15.3% of my hard-earned pay in order
|to provide for their Social Security and Medicare.

That's so lame it's pathetic. Suppose we take grandma out and shoot her.
Is there a certain age when this would be appropriate ? Aside from that,
when you fork over your hard earned pay, it goes under your social
security number. When you get ready to retire, you'll get a check. That's
what all those old geezers had to do too. It's their money that they are
spending, and they worked their asses off their whole lives for it. OTOH,
alot of refugees come to this country and qualify for assistance without
ever being a contributing member of society. If, you want to shoot them,
email me instead, and we'll talk.


--
_________________________________________________________________
| Curtis D. Levin    | Team Os/2 | kd4zkw.ampr.org [44.98.2.22] |
| [e-mail] ~~~~~~~~~~~~|       [e-mail]       |
| http://www.shadow.net/~cdlevin | kd4zkw@ae4ej.#MIAFL.USA.NOAM |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Warning!! This post may be inappropriate for .misc newsgroups.
            Suitable discretion is advised.





From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:58:59 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Date: 13 May 1996 18:56:17 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4n80kh$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>  <4l0o2u$[e-mail]> <4l0oim$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>  <4lmsrj$[e-mail]> <4lucsg$[e-mail]>  <4mb75u$[e-mail]> <31894577.94 <4md5tg$[e-mail]>  <[e-mail]> <4n52vt$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4n66jg$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Curtis D. Levin) wrote:
>
>On 13 May 1996 02:25:52 GMT, Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>|That's because they're in the way, taking up space and spending us dry

>|with their entitlements from Social Security, Medicare, etc.  Down here

>|in Florida, the "greedy old geezers" are everywhere.  It makes me sick
to
>|watch them drive their new Cadillacs from their new homes to the golf
>|courses every day while I fork over 15.3% of my hard-earned pay in
order
>|to provide for their Social Security and Medicare.
>
>That's so lame it's pathetic. Suppose we take grandma out and shoot her.

>Is there a certain age when this would be appropriate ?

I didn't advocate that we do away with Grandma; just that I'm tired of
working and paying an confiscatory level of taxes on my wages in order to
provide wealthy retirees with government entitlement benefits.


> Aside from that,
>when you fork over your hard earned pay, it goes under your social
>security number. When you get ready to retire, you'll get a check.

Ha!  I'm only 31 years old.  The system will be broke long before I am
able to collect.  If you believe that Social Security will still be
solvent when I hit retirement age, I have a beachfront condo in Kansas
that I'd like to sell you!


> That's
>what all those old geezers had to do too. It's their money that they are

>spending, and they worked their asses off their whole lives for it.

No, it's not.  It's MY money.  The old folks have received much more in
benefits than the relatively small amount that they contributed to the
system. For the younger generation, the reverse is true.  Social Security
is a giant pyramid scheme, and those of us who are currently footing the
bills are tired of doing so.


-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:00 1996
From: [e-mail] (prvalko)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Date: 13 May 1996 20:48:57 GMT
Message-ID: <4n877p$[e-mail]>

Distribution:

Why is this thread on REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.MISC???

Curtis D. Levin ([e-mail]) wrote:
: when you fork over your hard earned pay, it goes under your social
: security number. When you get ready to retire, you'll get a check.

Oh REALLY?  On our planet, everyone under the age of 40 or so knows that
Social Security is the greatest ponzi scheme ever created -- a HUGE
inverted pyramid with the point jamming us right in the rear.

: what all those old geezers had to do too. It's their money that they are
: spending, and they worked their asses off their whole lives for it.

Here on earth, the typical SS recipient gets evey dime plus interest
back in just about three years.  The remainder of the "money they're
spending," comes from US working OUR asses off.  You DO know that for
MANY of those years these folks put all of $40 or $50 A YEAR into the
SS?  How much do you put in, A WEEK???

How can the government get out of this mess?  Well, we do have to "take
care" of the folks that are in the system right now.  It's not their
fault they trusted the government to give them cradle to grave care.

We must have some sort of means test to SS benefits.  There is no reason a
millionaire needs SS benefits.  Sorry, but we have to wean some people
off the public teat slowly.

Of course, people my age and younger are completely screwed, what can be
done?  I suggest that at some point, Uncle Sam will have to say, "Sorry
PAL, nothin' for you."  To soften the blow, we should be granted
tax amnesty for our IRA and 401K/403B withdrawls.

I'd LOVE to tell the feds to KEEP every dime they've made off me if I
could be allowed to STOP making contributions to a fund I believe I'll
never see dime one of.

If I'm wrong... tough.  But let ME make the choice.

=paul=



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:01 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Date: 13 May 1996 06:23:47 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4n6khj$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>  <4l0o2u$[e-mail]> <4l0oim$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>  <4lmsrj$[e-mail]> <4lucsg$[e-mail]>  <4mb75u$[e-mail]> <31894577.94 <4md5tg$[e-mail]>  <[e-mail]> <4n52vt$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4n66jg$[e-mail]> <4n6cvi$[e-mail]>

>>That's because they're in the way, taking up space and spending us dry

>>with their entitlements from Social Security, Medicare, etc.  Down here

>>in Florida, the "greedy old geezers" are everywhere.  It makes me sick
to
>>watch them drive their new Cadillacs from their new homes to the golf
>>courses every day while I fork over 15.3% of my hard-earned pay in
order
>>to provide for their Social Security and Medicare.
>
>>There is a generational war brewing in this country, make no mistake
>>about it!
>
>
>>-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
>> KF4DDM
>
>Well if you feel that way then you will vote Republican for President
>and Congress this fall.


EXACTLY!!  Just as I have always done in the past!  We need to finish the
job we started in the '94 elections!

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM





From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:02 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Date: Mon, 13 May 96 02:08:33 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>  <4l0o2u$[e-mail]> <4l0oim$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>  <4lmsrj$[e-mail]> <4lucsg$[e-mail]>  <4mb75u$[e-mail]> <31894577 <4n6cvi$[e-mail]>

<[e-mail]> writes:

>>courses every day while I fork over 15.3% of my hard-earned pay in order

Well, let's see now, I started paying into SS in 1951....they took that money,
and if I am being paid compound interest all that time...Don't worry about
your hard earned pay coming may way in a few years.Don't start a generational
war becauyse the generation your are moaning about still remember how a M-1
and BAR work.


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:04 1996
From: "Paul L. Schmidt" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 07:19:17 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

In article <4n877p$[e-mail]> prvalko wrote:

: Why is this thread on REC.RADIO.AMATEUR.MISC???

I think it was something about grey hair at ham gatherings...

: Curtis D. Levin ([e-mail]) wrote:
: : when you fork over your hard earned pay, it goes under your social
: : security number. When you get ready to retire, you'll get a check.

: Oh REALLY?  On our planet, everyone under the age of 40 or so knows that
: Social Security is the greatest ponzi scheme ever created -- a HUGE
: inverted pyramid with the point jamming us right in the rear.

Oh REALLY?  Thanks for speaking for ALL OF US under 40 (don't let the
QCWA life member in the .sig fool you -- I am still under 40).

: We must have some sort of means test to SS benefits.  There is no reason a
: millionaire needs SS benefits.  Sorry, but we have to wean some people
: off the public teat slowly.

May be true from some standpoints, but years of telling people that
it's a mandatory, government-administered insurance policy seems to
make that a bit of a problem:  you want someone to tell your survivors
that your life insurance won't pay, just because the insurance company
thinks they don't need it?  Sure, let's apply a "means test" to your
family's benifits.  While we're at it, why not for salaries, too?

: Of course, people my age and younger are completely screwed, what can be
: done?  I suggest that at some point, Uncle Sam will have to say, "Sorry
: PAL, nothin' for you."  To soften the blow, we should be granted
: tax amnesty for our IRA and 401K/403B withdrawls.

Just how old are you (I'm trying to figure out if I'm completely screwed
or not)?  It may very well be true that there'll be nothing left for me
when I turn 65 (70, 75?), or that I'll have to rely on my own savings
to retire.  So what?

[snip snip]

: =paul=

... which gets back closer to the original postings:

You go to a gathering of hams, and see a lot of grey hair. So what?
Frankly, I'm more concerned that one can go into most churches and see
a lot of grey hair.  Or civic organizations.  Or a lot of other places.
The problem isn't one of insufficient number of youth in ham radio;
it's a problem of too many youth into non-productive and counter-
productive activities.  Ham radio used to be a place for young people
to get a start in doing something productive -- whether it be the
technical aspects of the hobby, or in developing communications and
interpersonal skills.  Maybe we should be more concerned with trying
to restore that (an everybody wins situation) than with starting
or fighting an intergenerational war.

Just my $.02

 -- Paul (kind-of between generations right now...)
--
Paul Schmidt <[e-mail]> Bloomfield, IN USA
Amateur Radio K9PS      Public PGP key available @ MIT server
ARRL Life Member        fingerprint:  24 9F D3 BD AE E3 50 72
QCWA Life Member 26711                23 AB A0 64 BB 9E 2B 8D


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:06 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dick Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:38:22 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>  <4l0o2u$[e-mail]> <4l0oim$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>  <4lmsrj$[e-mail]> <4lucsg$[e-mail]>  <4mb75u$[e-mail]> <31894577.94 <4md5tg$[e-mail]>  <[e-mail]> <4n52vt$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4n66jg$[e-mail]> <4n85ng$[e-mail]> <4n976n$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:


>
>But they're STILL collecting Social Security!!  That's the point!!  Even
>minimum-wage employees are being taxed at a rate of 15.3% so that Social
>Security checks and Medicare entitlements can go out to ALL the retirees..
>REGARDLESS of their income!!  Don't believe me?  Come down here to
>Florida...I will personally show you example after example!
>
>
>-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
> KF4DDM
>
1. If you are paying 15.3% you are self-employed.  There are damn few
minimum wage employees that are self -employed.  Otherwise you pay
7.65%.  If you are self-employed, and you apparently are, there are
special deductions you can take to offset your tax rate.  Get the
Social Security Pub. 05-10022.

2. Social Security checks do not go out to all retiree's.  Those who
have too much current income (from a job or self-employment) cannot
qualify for any benefits.  In addition, couples with a combined income
from all sources > $44,000 pay federal tax on 85% of any benefits
received.  So it goes right back to the government.  How would you
know who in Florida is on SS anyway?   Just because they seem to be
retired doesn't mean they are drawing any benefits.

Dick Hughes



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:08 1996
From: [e-mail] (prvalko)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Date: 14 May 1996 17:27:40 GMT
Message-ID: <4nafqc$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Paul L. Schmidt ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I think it was something about grey hair at ham gatherings...

: Oh REALLY?  Thanks for speaking for ALL OF US under 40 (don't let the
: QCWA life member in the .sig fool you -- I am still under 40).

My mistake I should have said, "MOST ALL of us..."  if I was really
snide I might have said, "anyone under the age of 40 who has a
clue..."  No offense.  I 'm glad you have faith in SS being there for
you.  I simply don't believe it.

: May be true from some standpoints, but years of telling people that
: it's a mandatory, government-administered insurance policy seems to
: make that a bit of a problem:

Hey I said, "we have to take care of the people in the system."  I
believe I also said it's not their fault the trusted the government to
provide cradle to grave care.

:  you want someone to tell your survivors
: that your life insurance won't pay, just because the insurance company
: thinks they don't need it?  Sure, let's apply a "means test" to your
: family's benifits.  While we're at it, why not for salaries, too?

That's also one of the problems the SSA caused is turning the program
into life insurance instead of old-age supplimental income.
I said I'd walk away from it if the government would let me.  And as far
as salaries go, if my employer were to give me a means test, I could
walk away from the job and find something else.  We don't have that
option with SS.

: Just how old are you (I'm trying to figure out if I'm completely screwed
: or not)?  It may very well be true that there'll be nothing left for me
: when I turn 65 (70, 75?), or that I'll have to rely on my own savings
: to retire.  So what?

I'm 38.  "SO WHAT???!!!"  So how about you mail some money to ME if you
don't care if you ever see it again?

This is an interesting discussion.  I don't see it as any arguement
either.  I'm one of the cynics that thinks SS is money down the drain
(to me).

=paul=


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:09 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dungeon Master)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Date: 13 May 1996 13:57:04 -0700
Message-ID: <4n87n0$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>  <4l0o2u$[e-mail]> <4l0oim$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>  <4lmsrj$[e-mail]> <4lucsg$[e-mail]>  <4mb75u$[e-mail]> <31894577.94 <4md5tg$[e-mail]>  <[e-mail]> <4n52vt$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4n66jg$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Curtis D. Levin) wrote:


>That's so lame it's pathetic. Suppose we take grandma out and shoot her.
>Is there a certain age when this would be appropriate ? Aside from that,
>when you fork over your hard earned pay, it goes under your social
>security number. When you get ready to retire, you'll get a check. That's
>what all those old geezers had to do too. It's their money that they are
>spending, and they worked their asses off their whole lives for it.

Yes and no. They have paid into the system for a very long time. But,
they will have spent everything they put into the system within the
first few years of being on it.

> OTOH,
>alot of refugees come to this country and qualify for assistance without
>ever being a contributing member of society. If, you want to shoot them,
>email me instead, and we'll talk.

>--
>_________________________________________________________________
>| Curtis D. Levin    | Team Os/2 | kd4zkw.ampr.org [44.98.2.22] |
>| [e-mail] ~~~~~~~~~~~~|       [e-mail]       |
>| http://www.shadow.net/~cdlevin | kd4zkw@ae4ej.#MIAFL.USA.NOAM |
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Warning!! This post may be inappropriate for .misc newsgroups.
>            Suitable discretion is advised.



Rob



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:10 1996
From: Ed Hare <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Date: 13 May 1996 20:23:12 GMT
Message-ID: <4n85ng$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>  <4l0o2u$[e-mail]> <4l0oim$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>  <4lmsrj$[e-mail]> <4lucsg$[e-mail]>  <4mb75u$[e-mail]> <31894577.94 <4md5tg$[e-mail]>  <[e-mail]> <4n52vt$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4n66jg$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:

>[e-mail] (Matt Roberts) wrote:

>>BTW -- the above does not apply just to hams...seems to be an attitude
>about the elderly in
>>general.

>That's because they're in the way, taking up space and spending us dry
>with their entitlements from Social Security, Medicare, etc.  Down here
>in Florida, the "greedy old geezers" are everywhere.  It makes me sick >to wa
tch them drive their new Cadillacs from their new homes to the golf
>courses every day while I fork over 15.3% of my hard-earned pay in order
>to provide for their Social Security and Medicare.

If you really believe that Social Security and Medicare provide enough to
let one live an extravagent life style, I will gladly sell you some
swampland in Connecticut.  If someone is driving their Cadillac to the
golf course, they are living mostly off the money they wisely saved from
their working years.

>There is a generational war brewing in this country, make no mistake
>about it!

I always had my doubts about your constant harping about us "old phartz,"
to use the endearing term you overuse so much.  I am starting to
understand more about where it all comes from.

Ed





From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:11 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
From: Andrew Falcone <[e-mail]>
Date: 16 May 96 10:40:38 CDT
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

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BTW, it should be "fewer" guns instead of "less" guns. Your parents
forget to teach you grammer?





>--
>--
>--  "I have more guns than I need, and less guns than I want." -- Phil Graam
>--
>--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:12 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
From: Andrew Falcone <[e-mail]>
Date: 16 May 96 10:37:31 CDT
References: <[e-mail]> <4n52vt$[e-mail]>

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[e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio) wrote:
>In article <4n66jg$[e-mail]>,
>From Drew Durigan's book "How to Win Friends and Influence People"
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>That's because they're in the way, taking up space and spending us dry
>>with their entitlements from Social Security, Medicare, etc.  Down here
>>in Florida, the "greedy old geezers" are everywhere.  It makes me sick to
>>watch them drive their new Cadillacs from their new homes to the golf
>>courses every day while I fork over 15.3% of my hard-earned pay in order
>>to provide for their Social Security and Medicare.
>>
>>There is a generational war brewing in this country, make no mistake
>>about it!
>>
>Gee Drew, is it my imagination or do you just hate everyone? All this
>from Sunny Florida. I'll make damned sure that the next vacation I plan
>doesn't include your neck of the woods.
>
>So tell me, are you financially secure enough to take care of yourself
>when you become an old geezer? If not - who do you expect to take up
>the slack? Just remember that as people get older their views of how
>things are and how they ought to be seem to change dramatically.
>
>Something tells me that you're just one of those people who lives for
>confrontation. I'm somewhat the same but at some point you just have to
>stop beating a dead horse and move on to something more intellectually
>stimulating.
>
>Tony
>
>>
>
>
>--
>== Tony Pelliccio, KD1NR
>== As offensive as I wanna be.
>== [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:13 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
From: Andrew Falcone <[e-mail]>
Date: 16 May 96 10:43:35 CDT
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4l0o2u$[e-mail]>

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<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[e-mail] wrote:
><[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>>courses every day while I fork over 15.3% of my hard-earned pay in order
>
>Well, let's see now, I started paying into SS in 1951....they took that money
,
>and if I am being paid compound interest all that time...Don't worry about
>your hard earned pay coming may way in a few years.Don't start a generational
>war becauyse the generation your are moaning about still remember how a M-1
>and BAR work.




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:14 1996
From: [e-mail] (Nick J Chiarchiaro, AET / N2QXF)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 04:15:05 GMT
Message-ID: <4njj6c$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (William Frey) wrote:

>>
>> [snip snip]
>>
>>
>> You go to a gathering of hams, and see a lot of grey hair. So what?

>   snip   snip

>Quit complaining about those old fogies. After all, they are the ones that
>keep the Morse code requirement alive with their technical logic about "I had

>to suffer to get it and you young shitheads better pay your dues by learning
>something useless that will give you access to some HF bands"

>So venerate those grey hair folks since they have the money to pay for the
>expensive HF toys. They also keep the image of exclusive snob hams alive. All

>the more reason to keep those CB minded filthy no code techs from their
>beloved HF bands. Of course the problem is that after they die, fewer people
>use the HF bands so we lose them to a sale by the gov't to some company that
>wants them badly.

>So the bottom line is: Pay your SS dues happily and keep the impediments to a

>renewed spirit in ham radio alive. I have never seen or heard such a divisive

>issue as the Morse code debate. A house divided cannot stand and ham radio as

>we know it today is surely to die off in the future.

>Enjoy folks.
>73s  Bill  KB8UNC     No code and proud of it
>Engineer with a Master's degree but too dumb to learn Morse code.
>Probably because I had to learn it in the Army (old draft days before your
>time) and now I have a hatred for it since it was forced on me.
>     :)


>--
>[e-mail] (William Frey)
>Railnet BBS + 1 216 786 0476

Not too dumb to learn Morse...just lazy..

BTW I would venture a guess the Micrwave bands are more interesting to
companies thn HF...you know with satellites and all.

I house can stand divided...but cannot stand without a weak
foundation.

73
nick.

BTW was no code...was fun...but ya know CW is REALLY fun !



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From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:16 1996
From: [e-mail] (Brian Prendergast)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: help needed
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:32:39 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Here the situation, I'm just starting in on this radio thing and I'm having
a problem figuring out what is best.  I started with a couple of 49 MHZ
radio shat in pocket communicators so I could play paintball and talk to
another member of my team at the same time.  I quickly found out that the
refs use the same frequency and that the rang and clearity wasn't that
good.  I nneded something that would work better since I didn't have time
to play around with things while I was playing paintball.  I also tryed to
use these in the car since we travel in multiple cars a lot and I thought
it would be nice to be able to talk to each other.  At any rate this didn't
work.  I returned them and figured I would give a CB a shot.  It started
out really good, then I realized that the CB (a hand held one) would be
great for paintball, but not very good for the car since it picked up every
little electronic devise in my car, since I have a stereo well over $1000
and an alarm to guard it along with a radar detector to watch for police oh
and I can't forget about the pager and cell phone.  Anyway you get the
point, I'm into electronics.  So now I hear all about these HAM radios, and
VHF.  How far can they reach and what kinds are the best, how much do they
cost, where can I get them, are there a lot of people using them?  You get
the idea, I have no clue about them.  I know I need a licencse and that's
about it.  Some one has been a great help to me so far, any more help would
be greatly appreciated.  I am extreamly interested in what the benefits are
off having the VHF as opposed to the CB.  Well please get back to me, one
of the more important things is cost and range.  I want to creat a docking
station for it for my home and for my pickup truck.  I am very interested
on how far people think they can go.  Please email me at
[e-mail] with any help.  I don't read these all the time
so I would probibly miss any resonse to this.  Thanks for any help at
all......


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:17 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: HELP TEACHING CW CLASS
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <4mlbtc$[e-mail]> <1996May7.083507.1@leif> <4mr980$[e-mail]> <4ms0ka$[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 15:48:27 GMT

In article <4ms0ka$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (WB
3U) writes:
>   [e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore~) wrote:
>
>>Hi guys, an Instructograph worked for me. They advertised in the
>>1957 ARRL Handbook. :-) Seriously, SuperMorse should be a good
>>start.
>
>Just wondering if I'm the only person in the history of ham radio
>who learned code by memorizing the table in the ARRL Handbook?  At
>the time I took the test, I didn't have a computer, a receiver or
>even a code practice oscillator.
>
>73,
>Jack  WB3U

Gee, I memorized Morse from a table in the encyclopedia at the
local library when I was 10. I didn't find out for a year that
hams don't use Morse (they use the International Code instead)
and that I'd memorized the wrong code.

I even made a sounder and a key from descriptions in the
encyclopedia and practiced every day with them. A retired
railroad telegraph operator on the next farm helped me practice.
We even ran a wire between our houses and powered it with 'A'
batteries. He had a real sounder and key, mine were made
from cut up tin cans and nails wrapped with wire on a pine
board.

About a year later, I met a ham, and found out I was doing
it all wrong. I still sometimes write down 'C' when I hear
.. .  (though I prefer to think of it as cliclack cliclack
<pause> cliclack). I've never been comfortable with this
beeping stuff.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:18 1996
From: Gary Ross Hoffman <gary@carcs3>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HELP TEACHING CW CLASS
Date: 9 May 1996 13:37:36 GMT
Message-ID: <4mssf0$[e-mail]>
References: 4mlbtc$[e-mail]> <1996May7.083507.1@leif> <4mr980$[e-mail]>

I think a very good approach might be to introduce Wheeler's
"Code QuiK" technique. This associates CW sounds with English
phrases (L = "di-dah-di-dit" = "a LIGHT is lit", etcetera).
It got me past the 5 wpm barrier in a hurry. "Code Quik" is
advertised in several amateur magazines. You might phone Wheeler
and ask him for permission to use his technique in your class
(it might help to buy one of his packages).
- Gary


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:20 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Help with Morse Code
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <4mocl3$[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 16:47:43 GMT

In article <4mocl3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rory Edge) w
rites:
>I've decided to take a shot at learning Morse Code with the
>intention of applying for a license in a couple of months.  I
>don't know much about Morse Code or radio, except that I use
>an SSB marine radio sometimes.  I did read an article that said
>that Morse should be learned at a rapid character rate, which
>makes sense.  I have a software program that purports to
>teach Morse called NuMorse.  Is this program good or is there
>something better?  Should I get a keyer and oscillator?  What kind
>of keyer?  What make?  Any advice would be appreciated.  Thanks.

The code you describe is Farnsworth Code. The character elements
are similar to the International Morse Code at 18 WPM, but the
spacing elements are much longer than those required for Morse
so that the average time to send one minute's worth of text is
similar to 5 WPM (or 13 WPM) International Morse Code.

Now Farnsworth Code isn't Morse Code, but it is what the ARRL VEC
uses for its tests, so if you're going to test before an ARRL VE
team, you'd better learn it that way.

The computer program most people recomend is called SuperMorse.
It is available on many ftp sites. It understands Farnsworth
Code.

I'd *strongly* suggest that you resist the temptation to get a
keyer right away for two reasons. First, the test doesn't require
a demonstration of sending, so you needn't bother to learn to send
in order to be licensed. Sending is a mechanical process, and forces
you to think in terms of dots and dashes. You don't want to do that
while you are learning the Code. You want to learn characters as
distinct *sounds*, not as just combinations of dots and dashes.

Second, if you do want to learn to send, start with a manual hand key
(after you've learned to *copy* good machine sent code). Try to make
your sending as perfect as the computer's sending. Once you've mastered
this sense of timing, switching to a keyer will be easy. But if you
learn first on a keyer, you won't have that good sense of timing that
you need, and will have trouble sending good Code even with the aid of
the keyer.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:21 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Here To help each other?
Date: 9 May 1996 07:30:04 GMT
Message-ID: <4ms6ts$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4ml6ua$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Jake Brodsky ([e-mail]) wrote:

<snip.... read backwards if interested>

: Smile when you say that Jim.  He wrote that code of ethics you'll
: see in the first few pages of almost every ARRL Handbook ever printed.
: (Could this be part of the problem?)

: 73,

: Jake Brodsky, AB3A, <[e-mail]>
: "Beware of the massive impossible!"

Jake,

     I smile at everything. What good is life without a smile ?

73, Jim KH2D



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:22 1996
From: Gary Watts <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How about high speed packet (was Re: Yes, we do have young hams)
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 12:01:25 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4mpgt3$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

James,
You asked whay one is to do..
Well for starters you might want to put up a 9600 baud port for others to use



On Mon, 13 May 1996, James D. Cronin wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Andy  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >...
> >
> >     (3)  THE COMPUTER -- we do an awful lot of "hamming" here!  Why 1200
> >          Packet when you can have 28.8?
> >
> >
>
> My pet peeve.  Around here 9600 baud packet user ports almost don't
> exist.  What is one to do?
> 73..Jim  N2VNO
>
>


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:23 1996
From: [e-mail] (Kyle Cassidy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: how to set offset on midland-oo5
Date: 13 May 1996 17:05:53 GMT
Message-ID: <4n7q5h$[e-mail]>

i've recently purchased a midland 73-005 2 meter HT, but it came without
a manual. does anybody know how to set the repeater offset on it?

thanks, i'm a-going nuts here.

kb2rvy

kc

--
this is my sig


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:23 1996
From: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How to tell if you are a
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 08 May 96 21:32:00 -0400
Distribution: world
Reply-To: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)


To: [e-mail]
Subject: How to tell if you are a loser

BF>9. You are a typical ham radio operator.

Burt, this does not fit.  You can do better than that.
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From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:24 1996
From: [e-mail] (John R. Cunliffe)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to tell if you are a loser
Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 13:00:20 GMT
Message-ID: <4mq5qk$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>                    How can you tell if you are a loser

>1. You are divorced and think you are not at all at fault.

>2. You are fat and think it is not your fault.

>3. You think alcoholism is a disease.

>4. You hit your spouse.

>5. You hit your children.

>6. You are a child molester and think you ought not kill yourself.

>7. You ever drove drunk.

>8. You own a gun "for protection" but do not live in a dangerous area.

>9. You are a typical ham radio operator.

>10. You are proud of being a homosexual.

>11. You are a member of N.O.W.

>12. You smoke.

>13. You take illegal drugs.

>Please feel free to add your own.
>

Youre Burt Fisher

=====================================
John R. Cunliffe  N2NEP
[e-mail]
http://www.frontiernet.net/~cunliffe




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:26 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to tell if you are a loser
Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 00:17:31 GMT
Message-ID: <4mrdhr$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>                    How can you tell if you are a loser

>1. You are divorced and think you are not at all at fault.

>2. You are fat and think it is not your fault.

>3. You think alcoholism is a disease.

>4. You hit your spouse.

>5. You hit your children.

>6. You are a child molester and think you ought not kill yourself.

>7. You ever drove drunk.

>8. You own a gun "for protection" but do not live in a dangerous area.

>9. You are a typical ham radio operator.

>10. You are proud of being a homosexual.

>11. You are a member of N.O.W.

>12. You smoke.

>13. You take illegal drugs.

>Please feel free to add your own.
>


1432.3   You create lists!
           C. Dean Norris
      Amateur Radio Station K7NO
      e-mail to [e-mail]
    http://www.syspac.com/~dnorris/



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:27 1996
From: [e-mail] (Graham C Cebulskie )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: http://129.137.102.71/index.html
Date: 13 May 1996 18:39:13 GMT
Message-ID: <4n7vkh$[e-mail]>


OMI-College of Applied Science Amateur Radio Association server

After moving around for a year and a half, we finally have our own IP.  The
name has not appeared in the DNS yet.  Check out our web site at:
        http://129.137.102.71/index.html
We also maintain an FTP site.  There is not much there yet (we are waiting
on a larger hard drive).

--
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
/ Graham Cebulskie    KB8RDM         Internet:  [e-mail] /
/ President                            Packet:  KB8RDM@K8SCH.#CIN.OH.USA.NA/
/ OCAS Amateur Radio Association        Voice:  145.450- MHz               /
/ Editor:  The Repeater                                                    /
/ Electrical Engineering Technology    Creating a high public visibility   /
/ OMI College of Applied Science       of Amateur Radio and having a great /
/ University of Cincinnati             time with the hobby!                /
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:28 1996
From: Scott Mosher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ICOM Z1A expanded Tx mod
Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 09:13:23 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

I did the mod last night, so if anyone else is having trouble, feel free
to ask me!
--
************************************************************************ Scott
 Mosher                   |
 Technical Support              |       Peace through
 Cybersmith, Inc.               |           superior firepower!
 [e-mail]   KB2YUC     |
************************************************************************


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:29 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Chris Hinkle )
Subject: Re: Jerry Learns The Difference Between A Mail and Res. Address
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4n525a$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4n69jb$[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 07:07:47 GMT

Gerald Schmitt ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
: writes:
: >
: >Gerald Schmitt  <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >>At least I told the truth
: >>on my 610 form about my address that't more than some people can say.
: >
: >Drop me a note at my Guam *mailing* address - it will get to me. But
: >make sure it's not a love note - I detest gay advances.

: You have your mail sent to Guam!! How many enemies have you made? Wow!!
: And why the homophobic remark this issue never came up, you have a
: problem or something?
: >
: >>Living in Hawaii with a phoney Guam call a study in ethics.
: >
: >Phoney? My residential address is in Hawaii. My FCC mailing address
: >is in Guam.

: You live in Hawaii and your mailing address is in Guam!! Give it a rest
: it is an insult to this newsgroup that you expect anyone to buy this
: crap.

: >You're just sore to learn that your 2x2 Advanced call
: >has the same format as a Pacific Area General call. Now, like I said
: >before, go find yourself a girlfriend and get over this personal
: >interest you have in me!

: Give it a rest Jeff my call is advanced and yours is not I don't care
: about the number of letters. You tried to run a con a few people
: thought you had upgraded you got found out and you're pissed. Tough

: Your attitude brings out way too much nastyness in me so I think I will
: give it a rest besides showing you to be a fool is much to easy.

:                     Jerry



Why don't you two do this through e-mail and spare us the steamy details.


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:31 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Jerry Learns The Difference Between A Mail and Res. Address
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
From: Andrew Falcone <[e-mail]>
Date: 16 May 96 11:05:33 CDT
References: <[e-mail]> <4n525a$[e-mail]>

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+                                                            +
+     WITHOUT A DOUBT, A NEWSGROUP IN DESPERATE NEED OF      +
+                         AN ENEMA!                          +
+                                                            +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I've got the warm water if anyone can supply the rest of the
needed supplies.


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh) wrote:
>In article <4n69jb$[e-mail]> [e-mail](Gerald
 Schmitt ) writes:
>
>[snip]
>
>>Your attitude brings out way too much nastyness in me so I think I will
>>give it a rest besides showing you to be a fool is much to easy.
>
>>                    Jerry
>
>Well Jerry...all the posts I have been reading from you (including our little

>QSO) have been either flames and/or mis-information. I will agree that you
>"give it a rest" because that would in fact, give US a rest too from your
>drivel.
>
>Take care.
>
>
>Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
>Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
>E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
>AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:32 1996
From: [e-mail] (Patty Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: KA9Q Copyright Question
Date: 11 May 1996 20:14:42 -0700
Message-ID: <4n3l32$[e-mail]>
References: <4mqede$[e-mail]>
Keywords: KA9Q copyright

In article <4mqede$[e-mail]>,
Richard Matthias <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Can I use it in a commercial product as long as I
>give credit to Phil Karn?

Nope. You need a license from Phil.


>Is its use restricted to non-commercial use?

Its *free* use is. You can use it commercially if you license it.

As John Gilbert pointed out, you should contact Phil for details.


Patty


========================= [e-mail] =========================
        Support "Due South"! If you're a fan, let CBS know ASAP!
=========================== Sunnyvale, Calif. ==========================



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:33 1996
From: PAUL WARD <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Kam Plus TNC & KaGOLD Software.
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 12:52:11 +0100
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

From: [e-mail]
Hello There,
        Thanks for reading this message. I wonder if anyone can help or
explain why the following happens....

I have a Kam Plus TNC and run KaGOLD software. I am very pleased with
both and have no problems so to speak of. However every so often say
after a few weeks I have to re-enter my callsign & some of the details
back in to the programme before I can continue to operate again. These
settings include CWID. BTEXT. PTEXT. NUMNODES. MYNODE. NTEXT. PBFORWRD.
HTEXT. Also the green bargraph on the front panel of the Kamplus is lit
up on one side only when this occures. Normally it is only the centre
LED which lights under normal VHF operation. My friend also has the same
problems as well. We both use Plug in timers to switch on and off our
PSU which poweres the Kam & tranceiver at preset times. Do you think
that this may have something to do with this problem ?
If not I wondered if all KAM & KaGOLD owners have to re-enter these
settings ocassionaly and if so WHY ? Any replies or coments would be
would be welcome.
Many thanks 73 de
--
PAUL W.


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:34 1996
From: [e-mail] (Hans Brakob)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Kb5ujd
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 00:06:34 -0100


Somebody said:

>>
 Okay; so the guy gives up a technician license,
pays a $500 fine and cooperates with authorities.   That means he'll be
back on CB as long as it takes to get to Radio Shack!
>>

Not so.  Part of his "agreement" with FCC was that he
"shall refrain for the remainder of his life from engaging
in any transmissions in the Citizens Band Radio Service."

Further, the FCC has put the following "teeth" in the order,
just in case Foret violates the agreement.

"12. Foret agrees that any violation of the Order or of this
Settlement Agreement shall constitute a separate violation of
a Commission order, entitling the Commission to exercise any
rights and remedies available for enforcement of a Commission
order."

"17. Foret acknowledges, understands, and unconditionally
accepts that any transmission by him, however brief, in the
Amateur Radio Service or Citzens Band Radio Service..(snip)
may subject him to severe adminsitrative sanctions (including
...<snip>... the imposition of substantial monetary forfeitures)
and/or criminal prosecution by the United States Department of
Justice."

In other words he's been warned "don't screw up!".

73, de Hans, K0HB




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:35 1996
From: Dave Borchard <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Linking repeater Via Internet Phone software
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 00:26:05 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I would like to hear comments from anyone who has tried linking repeaters usin
g
Internet Phone software.

Dave KY0L


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:36 1996
From: [e-mail] (David Dodell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Linking repeaters via the internet
Date: 16 May 1996 16:07:46 GMT
Message-ID: <4nfjsi$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

In message <[e-mail]> - Dave Borchard
<[e-mail]>Thu, 16 May 1996 04:29:06 -0700 writes:
:>
:>I would like to hear some feedback from anyone that has tried linking repeat
ers
:>with the internet.


There seems to be a bunch of repeaters doing this using Internet Phone from
Vocaltech.  There is an add on program to verify the connections.  David

---
Internet: [e-mail]       FAX: [phone]
WWW:  http://www.stat.com



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:37 1996
From: Dave Borchard <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Linking repeaters via the internet
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 04:29:06 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I would like to hear some feedback from anyone that has tried linking repeater
s
with the internet.

Dave KY0L


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:38 1996
From: Bill Meara <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Linking repeaters via the internet
Date: 18 May 1996 11:42:54 GMT
Message-ID: <4nkd3u$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

David:  We are using Internet Phone, a software package developed by the
Israeli company Vocaltec.  You can find their home page by doing a net
search (I lost the URL).  You can download a demo version for free.  this
allows you to make limited (time limited) calls on the system.  You can
then register the software (via e-mail) and the limitations are lifted.

With Internet phone you can enter into real time half duplex or (with the
appropriate hardware) full duplex conversations with people world wide.
The participants are divided into "topics"  (like IRC channels) based on
areas of interest.  There are many ham radio topic groups.  You simply
place your call on the list of participants and soon you'll be getting
I-phone calls from other hams. Or you can initiate calls.  It is all very
friendly and all of our good ham traditions (73, call signs etc.) seems
to have carried over from the ham bands.  But no QRM! No bad band
conditions!

As for linking the repeaters, all you do is rig up a little VOX circuit.
 Take the audio out from a VHF transceiver and put it into the MIC in on
your computer's soundblaster card.  Take the audio out from the
soundblaster card and run it into the MIC/Push to talk connections on the
radio (via the VOX circuit) and you are ready to link I-phone with the
VHF or UHF ham bands (or repeaters).  In my case I carry my HT around
with me and leave I phone running back in the shack. in this way I can
work Australia Japan etc. with my 2 meter HT. I've also put my rig on a
local repeater frequency and allowed distant stations to participate in
local 2 meter chatter.

There is a program called repeater link that serves as a filter to
prevent non-hams from accessing the bands:

http://www.onramp.net/swta/rptrlnk

This page contains more info on the whole system.

My VOX circuit is built around a 7 dollar kit from Ramsey electronics!

Good Luck!  73   Bill N2CQR/HI8



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:39 1996
From: [e-mail]    (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Looking for old Radio Shack catalogs
Date: 13 May 1996 04:11:35 GMT
Message-ID: <4n6cpn$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mn2k1$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Bill Newkirk)

In <[e-mail]>, "Oliver P. Timme" <[e-mail]> writes:
>Anonymous wrote:
>
>>> In article <[e-mail]>,
>>> [e-mail] (Randy Padawer) wrote:
>> Why?
>
>Why not?

Why ask why?

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:40 1996
From: [e-mail] (Mark L9)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Looking for old Radio Shack catalogs
Date: 16 May 1996 01:36:07 -0400
Message-ID: <4nees8$[e-mail]>
References: <4n7k1d$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Mark L9)

I have, hidden away somewhere, a Radio Shack catalogue from... 1973!

Believe it or not, it has a number of items that are STILL carried by the
company TODAY!


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:41 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ted Kell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for plans for a small QRP tuner
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 08:48:56 -0600
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4nek5v$[e-mail]>

In article <4nek5v$[e-mail]>, Ron Giuntini <rong@204.160.88.10> wrot
e:

> Does anybody know where I can find a set of plans for a QRP tuner? I have
> QST back to 1978. It would be a help if anyone has built something and
> can tell me where to find the plans,,,,[e-mail]

Checkout SPRAT 72, it has schematics & etc for the Super Tee.  Also the
latest QRPp has the SLT and another based upon a home brew rotary
inductor.  Really.

In general either or both of these are great places for finding QRP stuff.

72

Ted  KC5CUW


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:41 1996
From: [e-mail] (Hans Brakob)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Military Morse
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 00:50:38 -0100

Gary KE4ZV asked:

>"Then how come the military no longer teaches Morse?"

They still do teach it. Not to all operators, as was
previous practice, but it still is taught to some
specialists such as intercept operators, submariners,
and others.

73, de Hans, K0HB, RMCM(USN)





From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:42 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: Mirror mount 2m/440: Recommendations?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4n5ucj$[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 02:55:46 GMT

[e-mail] (Scott W. Binder) writes:

>I would like to mount a 2m/440 antenna on the mirror opposite the CB
>antenna on my work truck....I know a 5/8 wave wouldn't work too well, so
>would someone recommend to me something that would do it for me?
>Thanks!!!!

>                               73 from Humboldt County, CA
>                                       Scott - AB6TR

Borrow a GOOD thruline wattmeter, and set your radio to 445.0, then
trim a 2m antenna for min VSWR.  You will then have an antenna
that works as a 1/4 wave on 2m or a 3/4 on 440.

--
Mike Morris                              [e-mail]
#include <disclaimer.std.h>      I have others, but this works the best.
  Looking for CDA-banned material?  Try the bible: Genesis 19:30-38,
  or Ezeikel 23:20.


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:43 1996
From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: More LAMBDA (a/k/a HAMFAGS) Stuff...
Date: 8 May 1996 11:13:42 GMT
Message-ID: <4mpvl6$[e-mail]>
References: <4moh8m$[e-mail]>

>   [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) writes:

>  Uh, I don't think so.  What I posted was copied verbatim from the ad that
>  Lambda put in CQ VHF.  In other words, they PAID for the privilege of
>  asking others to contact them, and voluntarily gave their address and E-
>  Mail ID.  I'm just helping out by reposting their request in cyberspace
                     /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
>  for all to see.
>
>  Pretty nice of me, don't you think?
>
>  -Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
>   KF4DDM

a side of you i never thought of there Drew.. since imitation is the best form
 of flattery..........




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:44 1996
From: [e-mail] (duffy1)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: More LAMBDA (a/k/a HAMFAGS) Stuff...
Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 11:52:31
Message-ID: <4mqje7$[e-mail]>
References: <4mh5gd$[e-mail]> <4mntuo$[e-mail]>


In article <4mntuo$[e-mail]> Ed Schaefer wrote:
>I suppose this might be considered to be just another form of
"speech"
>but it seems to me to be right up there with getting the gang
together
>to burn a cross in front of someone's house - that is, it incites
action
>for the purpose of intimidation. Pretty reprehensible.

I am not sure what you mean with the free speech comment but if you
are referring to homosexuality being a form of free speech then I
guess that is what they mean when they say a person is talking out
their ass.



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:46 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ed Schaefer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: More LAMBDA (a/k/a HAMFAGS) Stuff...
Date: 8 May 1996 18:27:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Message-ID: <4mqp1q$[e-mail]>
References: <4mh5gd$[e-mail]> <4mntuo$[e-mail]> <4mp1cj$[e-mail]>

In article <4mp1cj$[e-mail]>,
Tim Hynde ka8ddz qrp/Rochester, MI <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>I suppose this might be considered to be just another form of "speech"
>>but it seems to me to be right up there with getting the gang together
>>to burn a cross in front of someone's house - that is, it incites action
>>for the purpose of intimidation. Pretty reprehensible.
>
>Yea, I thought it was pretty reprehensible when the gays in Boston
>demanded to march in the St.Pattys Day parade as a recognized gay
>group. They threatened to sue if they were not allowed, what was that
>you said about intimidation??

Seems a pretty basic part of our system - something about all of us being
created equal.... and having equal rights. IMHO the fact that courts
sometimes prevent impermissible behavior isn't intimidation in its
pejorative sense. Surely there is some difference between due process in
the courts and mob action. You find it reprehensible that our system
protects minorities from the tyranny of the majority - or just that it
protects those that you want to persecute?
>
>P.S They cancelled the parade

Good. If they won't play by the rules they can't play at all.

PS. We have a St. Patrick's Day parade in Chicago, sometimes called
St. Paddy's day  - is St. Patty a transgendered St. Paddy? 8-)

73
--
This posting is purely the personal opinion of
Ed Schaefer  [e-mail]   ham radio: K9JMA


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:48 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bruce Baugh)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Namespace Purity Considered Harmful (re: boatanchors)
Date: Sat, 18 May 96 02:47:30 GMT
Message-ID: <4njdo2$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4nio7m$[e-mail]>

In article <4nio7m$[e-mail]>, [e-mail](Jim
Lowman) wrote:

>>There already is a place where people can (try to) create newsgroups
>>without worrying about namespace considerations:  the 'alt' hierarchy.
>
>True, there's less bureaucracy involved, but a lot of sites refuse to
>carry the alt.* hierarchy altogether.  Thus, there wouldn't be the
>desired propagation of the newsgroup(s).

This should provide a clue. Based on years of experience actually
administering sites, sysadmins have found that the inevitable correlary
of much greater freedom in namespace is more or less useless namespace.
Sysadmins aren't control freaks, or at least not many of them are - the
existing attitudes exist because of demonstrated realities.

Bruce Baugh <*> [e-mail] <*> http://www.aracnet.com/~bruce
See my Web pages for
    New science fiction by Steve Stirling and George Alec Effing er
    Christlib, the mailing list for Christian and libertarian concerns
    Daedalus Games, makers of Shadowfist and Feng Shui


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:48 1996
From: Laird Solomon <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need buy scanner other than radio s. in toronto!
Date: 10 May 1996 00:39:15 GMT
Message-ID: <4mu37k$[e-mail]>
References: <4mt8qo$[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

Try Atlantic Ham at Bathurst and Wilson or Norham at 400 and Steeles.
Hope this helps.  Also, Durham Radio in Oshawa at Wentworth and Wilson.



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:50 1996
From: [e-mail] (Mark Eversoll)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: New calls?
Date: 8 May 1996 09:58:05 -0400
Distribution: usa
Message-ID: <4mq99d$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
James W. Lynch <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I was listening to a 2 meter net the other day and a fella checked in
>with a call with 2 numbers in it.  It was something like ke23abc.
>
>No one seemed to comment so I guess he wasn't bootlegging.  Does anyone
>know what this is all about?

You probably heard something like KE96ABC.  The FCC has authorized amateurs
in the "4" callsign district to sign "96" as their numeric in commemoration of
the 1996 Plympic games.  Outside this area another substitution is authorized.

This is covered in an ARRL bulletin less than a month old.  They can be found
at http://www.arrl.org.

Mark

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From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:51 1996
From: [e-mail]    (Roger J. Buffington; AB6WR)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: No CODE No CW on HF
Date: 12 May 1996 13:11:59 GMT
Message-ID: <4n4o2v$[e-mail]>
References: <4n3u9b$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Roger J. Buffington)

In <4n3u9b$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> I might propose a rule change that says ... "If you want to operate
>CW on the HF bands you must first pass a code test to update your
>license.  HOWEVER if you do NOT intend to operate CW then you do NOT
>need to take or pass a code test."
>
>[e-mail]

I don't have any strong feelings either way about CW.  However, it is
a requirement of **international law** (not merely FCC regs) that
any ham operator with HF privileges passes a code test.  Think about
how long it will take to change that requirement.  International laws
such as this invariably take decades to change.  From what I've read
about the WARC, there is little interest at present in changing this
requirement.  The emphasis is elsewhere.  Consequently, I'm guessing
that for better or for worse, the CW requirement, in more or less its
present form, will outlive most of us.  Doesn't matter what you think.
Doesn't matter what *I* think.


Roger J. Buffington
AB6WR
USC Law School Class of '97

[e-mail]

"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my grandfather.
Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."





From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:52 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NY -> VA -> GA
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 08:59:04 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Scott Mosher wrote:
>
> I'm going to be driving between Westchester, NY and Norfolk, VA, and
> between NY and the Atlanta area.  What I'm looking for are suggestions
> on repeaters on either 2m or 70cm to use/listen on along that route.
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Scott:
In Gwinnett County Georgia (Northeast County boarding Atlanta) we would
be honored to have you hang out on 147.075 +, PL 82.5.  We have two
voting rx sites plus the main repeater receiver.  In order to take
advantage of the voting rx sites you need the PL.  You can hit the main
site without a PL.  BTW the main site in located in Lawrenceville, GA.

73 de KS4LS (Jack)


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:52 1996
From: Hugh Pearson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NY -> VA -> GA
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 13:25:53 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Scott Mosher wrote:
>
> I'm going to be driving between Westchester, NY and Norfolk, VA, and
> between NY and the Atlanta area.  What I'm looking for are suggestions
> on repeaters on either 2m or 70cm to use/listen on along that route.
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
> --

Scott:

        Our group operates 145.370 and 444.375 repeaters in the North
Metro Atlanta area.  Travelers are always welcomed so give a call if you
are in the area.  Coverage begins about Chattanooga and extends South
of Atlanta.  For more info, see the web page below.

73's,
Hugh, KB4IZF
--
mailto:[e-mail]
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/6694



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:54 1996
From: [e-mail] (Graham C Cebulskie )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Oldtimers please help !!
Date: 13 May 1996 18:48:23 GMT
Message-ID: <4n805n$[e-mail]>

I am writing an essay on how amateur radio has had an impact on society.
I would like to hear how it has affected your life and those around you.
Have you helped someone using radio?  Have you been involved with disaster
relief using ham radio?  How has it changed over the years?  etc...   I
would greatly appreciate your input.

73 de
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/ President                            Packet:  KB8RDM@W8YX.#CIN.OH.USA.NA /
/ OCAS Amateur Radio Association        Voice:  145.450- MHz               /
/ Editor:  The Repeater                                                    /
/ Electrical Engineering Technology    Creating a high public visibility   /
/ OMI College of Applied Science       of Amateur Radio and having a great /
/ University of Cincinnati             time with the hobby!                /
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:54 1996
From: Piers Rochford <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: PACKET RECEIVE
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 12:05:55 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]


--
I have a second computer don't laugh 8086!

Is there any packet receive software I can download from somewhere
which will run on this machine.   I do not want to go and buy an
expense TNC so is there any sort of interface able to be build by
the homebrew user - such as that available for the HAMCOMM package.


Thanks.
Piers

     __________________________________________________________________

                          [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:55 1996
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
Date: 07 May 96 19:38:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: PAY OFF YOUR DEPTS FA
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>





>>PAY OFF YOUR DEPTS FAST!

STEPHAN>> And what does this have to do with amateur radio?!?

It's the origin of the term, HAM, Stephan.

Just before I got interested in Amateur Radio, I could boast,
"I Have A lot of Money."
   -    -        -

Of course, now it's:

Had A lot of Money.
-   -        -

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From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:56 1996
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
Date: 11 May 96 02:01:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: PAY OFF YOUR DEPTS FA
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>





>>PAY OFF YOUR DEPTS FAST!

STEPHAN>> And what does this have to do with amateur radio?!?

It's the origin of the term, HAM, Stephan.

Just before I got interested in Amateur Radio, I could boast,
"I Have A lot of Money."
   -    -        -

Of course, now it's:

Had A lot of Money.
-   -        -

[e-mail]
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|Internet: [e-mail]
|
| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:57 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Plans for a 2M 1/4 wave
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
References: <4mlqg7$[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 15:24:36 GMT

In article <4mlqg7$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Matthew Delaney) write
s:
>Are there any plans for 2M 1/4 wave antenna online? Specificly mobile
>ones (and how to attach/make a mag mount for them). My ARRL handbook has
>plans for one, but I think it's missing part of the article (no
>infomation on the needed capicitor)

You don't need a capacitor for a 1/4-wave antenna. All you need is
a piece of wire about 19.5 inches tall. (You'll have to trim it to
length after it is mounted for best VSWR.) You could use a coathanger,
or a piece of #12 bare copper wire, but they'd get bent up pretty easy
in mobile operation, so you would normally use a piece of copper plated
spring steel (music wire) as the element.

Now you need to mount that element to a base. There are hundreds of
ways to do that. Most commercial antennas use a machined sleeve and
a set screw. You can just insert your element in a PL-259 connector
and solder it to the center pin. Fill the body of the plug with an
insulator (hot glue or epoxy) so that the element can't come in
contact with the outer shell of the connector.

Now all you need to do is mount a SO-239 connector on the vehicle,
solder your coax to this connector, and screw on the antenna. Normally,
you'd drill a hole through the center of the top of the vehicle to mount
the base connector. This will give best performance. If you insist on
using a magmount instead, you can make one from a large speaker magnet
(the kind with a big hole in the center) and two aluminum discs. Fasten
the aluminum disks to the top and bottom of the magnet with screws or
glue, drill a hole in the upper disk for the SO-239 connector, and rout
out a channel in the magnet to allow the coax to exit. Wire the coax
inner to the inner pin of the SO-239, and wire the outer to the aluminum
disks (both of them).

Or you could spend $14 with MFJ and get a pre-made magmount 2m antenna.
Or spend a little more and buy one from Radio Shack. Or spend yet a bit
more and get a good Larsen NMO mount system and whip. The latter is
the best. I don't want to discourage you from building an antenna,
but magmounts are really something best purchased rather than homemade.

Let me give you another use for that 1/4-wave you made above, however.
Take the SO-239 and mount it in a L bracket. Drill 4 holes around the
corners of the horizontal part of the bracket, and mount 4 radials
to it. Let them "droop" at about a 45 degree angle below the horizon.
Use a U-bolt to mount this assembly to a mast, and you have a base
antenna for the house. Goop up the soldered connection of the feedline
to the SO-239 to waterproof it. Alternatively, you can use a feedthru
barrel connector instead of a SO-239 and have a PL-259 on the lead in
cable and just screw it on the bottom of the barrel connector while
screwing the PL-259 antenna element on the top. Simple, neat, works.

Gary
--
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
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Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:58 1996
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Problem with tail name "boatanchors"?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4n599v$[e-mail]> <4n7u5b$[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 20:40:36 GMT

Bruce Baugh <[e-mail]> wrote:
>There's an old (and too-often neglected) alt.config comment that "Jokes
>should be in the newsgroup, not the name of the newsgroup". Well, it's
>true for the Big 8. As nearly as I can tell, "boatanchor" is a bit of
>humor. As such, it's not really appropriate for a newsgroup name.

Maybe at one time BA was coined as a bit of humor. But because of its
wide usage in all the radio journals for decades it has established
itself as standard nomenclature.

Let me give you some advice, Bruce: In the future, prior to commenting
on the tail name of a proposed newsgroup, take the time to learn about
the area that that group will serve (in this case, the Amateur Radio
Service, consisting of around 700,000+ folks licensed by the federal
government; one of the reasons we're allowed to operate our own radio
stations is to provide emergency communications during widespread
disasters - we're not just hobbiests out to screw up your television
reception).

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 13:59:59 1996
From: [e-mail] (George Herbert)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tail name "boatanchors"?
Date: 13 May 1996 15:02:19 -0700
Message-ID: <4n8bhb$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4n599v$[e-mail]> <4n7u5b$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Jeffrey Herman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Bruce Baugh <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>There's an old (and too-often neglected) alt.config comment that "Jokes
>>should be in the newsgroup, not the name of the newsgroup". Well, it's
>>true for the Big 8. As nearly as I can tell, "boatanchor" is a bit of
>>humor. As such, it's not really appropriate for a newsgroup name.
>
>Maybe at one time BA was coined as a bit of humor. But because of its
>wide usage in all the radio journals for decades it has established
>itself as standard nomenclature.
>
>Let me give you some advice, Bruce: In the future, prior to commenting
>on the tail name of a proposed newsgroup, take the time to learn about
>the area that that group will serve (in this case, the Amateur Radio
>Service, consisting of around 700,000+ folks licensed by the federal
>government; one of the reasons we're allowed to operate our own radio
>stations is to provide emergency communications during widespread
>disasters - we're not just hobbiests out to screw up your television
>reception).

Jeffrey, you should apply your own advice in reverse.

There is resistance to "boatanchor" from several fronts.
The one about potential confusion with boating is sufficiently
countered by the placement under the ham heirarchy.  However, there
is a completely different objection, that the name is simply not
as clear to an uninformed observer as those interested in Usenet prefer
in new group names.

If a relatively educated stranger can't tell from the group name
what the contents are about, then it's a problem.  Boatanchor is
only in use in the amateur radio community in this sense, outsiders
don't understand.  And that's the problem.

This is by no means the worst problem a group name can have,
and it's likely that you could garner enough support to pass
it even against the objections of the news.groups crowd.
However, keep in mind that many amateurs who are conversant
in both radio and Usenet are objecting.  This should tell you
something about what the problem is and why.

-george william herbert
[e-mail]  KD6WUQ


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:01 1996
From: "t.r.mcloughlin" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tail name "boatanchors"?
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:16:38 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4n599v$[e-mail]> <4n7u5b$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Jeffrey Herman wrote:
>
> Bruce Baugh <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >There's an old (and too-often neglected) alt.config comment that "Jokes
> >should be in the newsgroup, not the name of the newsgroup". Well, it's

  [snip]

>
> Let me give you some advice, Bruce: In the future, prior to commenting
> on the tail name of a proposed newsgroup, take the time to learn about
> the area that that group will serve (in this case, the Amateur Radio
> Service, consisting of around 700,000+ folks licensed by the federal

 [snip]

Let me give you some advice, Jeff: In the future...^H^H^H^H^H^H...

No. Wait. Let me start again with a different tone.

Your advice to do research on the 700,000+ is good for someone trying
to enter and affect the existing world and culture of amateur radio
enthusiasts. Can you see how that bit of advice can be easily tweaked
and apply to someone trying the enter anad affect the world and culture
of newsgroups? How far would I get in the ham community if I
came in and said "don't give me that KD3JZ-style handle. I want to be
tom.net.my.radio because that's how the 7,000,000+ internet folks
do it."?

That comment notwithstanding, I still think y'all might make a convincing
case for "boatanchors", given how deep in the hierarchy it is and
how commonplace it is in the ham world. Convince people it's not a joke,
that it is a better name than "tube" or "old" or "classic". Show
examples. Negotiate to get what you want.

Or not. It's only usenet.

trm


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:02 1996
From: [e-mail] (Edward Kravitz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale (sic) name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 12 May 1996 15:03:45 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4n4ukh$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mrdvi$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4n4mva$[e-mail]>

Greetings Fellow hams and Usenet suscribers:
Excuse me if my text format or other technical skills are strange, but
this is a new arena for me.

I just got back into ham radio 4 years ago after a 25 year absence and
have  gotten a lot of enjoyment buying, repairing, swapping, and aiding
others, with what are commonly known as " boatanchors " .

I've just started following this thread, and really don't understand what
all the commotion is about, unless it's all politics .

I didn't know about this " Boatanchor List " until now, and would like
some info on it, because $12.00 a year seems a pittance, if useful
information or contacts are available there.

Secondly, why are people opposed to the use of a term thats been in
common use for ages.  This seems as bizarre as The Harley " sound "
fiasco.

What can I do to help get a " boatanchor newsgroup " started, and How do
I  find out more about this "maillist" and is there a " trial period "

Thanks,
-
  ED K. KB2NSP [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:03 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ross Alexander)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale (sic) name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 14 May 1996 13:19:05 GMT
Message-ID: <4na189$[e-mail]>
References: <4mrdvi$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Henry van Cleef) writes:

>You may rest assured that anyone who operates a Usenet setup, provides
>spool space, newsreader access, etc., is affected by creation of
>newsgroups and their charters, no matter what the topic.

While that's technically true, I can't get very excited about one more
fourth-level group considering the eight thousand other groups I'm
carrying - and that's a fairly small feed by current standards.  Face
it, the world is *not* sitting on the edge of its seat WRT newsgroup
names any more.

Maybe people admining sites that carry only the rec.radio.amateur
hierarchy or some similarly small feed feel differently (not a poke at
Henry, I don't know what site he admins) but anyone who's anything
like a full-spectrum carrier just doesn't have time to worry about
anything as trivial as a single group in a well established hierarchy
like rec.radio.amateur.

Lighten up folks, this isn't real life, it's just Usenet.

regards,
Ross ve6pdq
(news admin for athabascau.ca)
--
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From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:04 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 8 May 1996 16:15:55 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4mqhbr$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4moi80$[e-mail]>

How about calling it          rec.radio.amateur.yeoldefahrtz


Hey, if the shoe fits...


-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:05 1996
From: "t.r.mcloughlin" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 14:44:02 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mp7de$[e-mail]>

michael silva wrote:
>
> Joseph Feng writes:
> >The campaign for the "boatanchors" name only looks like sour grapes.
>
> Nah, we just don't want to be told by outsiders that we shouldn't use
> the most appropriate name for the new group.

Ahh.

Not taking sides here, but if you want a discussion medium that
has "insiders" and "outsiders", a mailing list may be a better option.
An unmoderated newsgroup is open to everyone, so you'll have a hard
time enforcing a "members-only" policy.

(Have you considered rec.ham.boatanchors as an alternative?)

trm


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:06 1996
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 07:53:20 GMT

Joseph Feng <[e-mail]> wrote:

>It appears that the choice of the "boatanchors" name represents a certain
>amount of childish mischief, deliberately intended to compete with an
>existing mail list and create a certain amount of confusion.

The list might be gatewayed to the newsgroup, Joe.

>There already
>is a Boatanchors list covering exactly this same subject.  This proposal
>was put forward by people who admit that they were unhappy that this
>mailling list began charging a subscription fee.

Not so. I'm not unhappy with the subscription fee.

There was a DX mail list. Now there is a proposal for a DX newsgroup.
I bet that keep you awake at night, Joe.

>If this were a commercial business, then trade mark privileges would apply
>and the proposed newsgroup would have to find another name.

Did you just arrive on this planet, Joe? The term "boatanchors" has
been used in the magazines for many many years. the BA email list has only
been around for about 3 or 4 years now. Where do you think the mail list
got its name from?

>As a matter of common courtesy, this proposed group should choose another
>name.  There are a lot of obvious alternate candidates from the colorful
>(such as "doorstops") to the descriptive(such as "tubes").

No, "Boatanchors" has been the standard term for at least a decade. How
long have you been licensed?

>The campaign for the "boatanchors" name only looks like sour grapes.

No, prunes. You need to eat some prunes, Joe!

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:08 1996
From: [e-mail](michael silva)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 9 May 1996 13:49:32 GMT
Message-ID: <4mst5c$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mp7de$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Henry van
Cleef) writes:
<...>
>I also wonder how you are going to deal with the confusion between a
>radio discussed on rec.boats.electronics (for which an RFD is
>currently active) and a "boatanchor" amateur radio.

The "boatanchor" name will not exist in a vacuum.  It will exist in the
rec.radio.amateur hierarchy.  Why should it be any more confusing than
the current rec.radio.amateur.homebrew, or the proposed
rec.radio.amateur.dx?

>Much as I disagree with David Lawrence and his "group advice"
operation
>a lot of the time, in this case we're dealing with a very real
conflict
>with a newsgroup proposal addressing electronics used on boats.  You
can
>pretty well count on a whole group of "no" votes from outsiders on the
>namespace issue, and I don't think you can count on enough "insider"
>votes to carry the proposal through a vote.

Well, I just hope this isn't the case.  Hierarchies exist for a reason,
and we shouldn't assume that users are too dumb to understand them.
Support for a boatanchors group is nearly unanimous in the
rec.radio.amateur group (including the owner of the popular boatanchors
mailing list), as is support for the term itself.  It is a term that
has been used for decades, and I know of no equivalent.

73,
Mike, KK6GM



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:09 1996
From: [e-mail](michael silva)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 11 May 1996 23:53:30 GMT
Message-ID: <4n399q$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mrdvi$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Steve Bonine)
writes:

>Is the use of the exact name "boatanchor" so important that you would
put at
>risk forming any group at all just to use it?  Why not accept the fact
that
>group-advice understands the Usenet issue better than you do, take
their
>advice, and increase the chance that your group will pass?  I'm sure
that if
>you insist, tale will allow the group to go to a vote with the
boatanchor name,
>and I'm pretty sure it will fail if that happens.

I am the author of the innocent and lighthearted "outsider" post, and I
apparently touched a nerve when I used it in my reply (to an article
posted in rec.radio.amateur.misc -- I didn't notice it was also going
to news.groups).  I don't know what advice group-advice has to offer --
have "they" (and I admit I don't know who "they" are, but I'm learning)
come out against the name, or did somebody just question it, or what?
All I have seen is scant second-hand information.

It seems to me that the real question is exactly what latitude *is*
allowed four names deep into a hierarchy?  I am a native english
speaker and in looking through a random sample of usenet names I found
plenty that I didn't understand.  I doubt one person reading this
message can claim to understand every group name.  Isn't that part of
the reason that new readers are expected to read FAQs (and there is a
FAQ for the entire rec.radio.amateur hierarchy), or at least peruse a
new group before blindly posting?  We already have the
less-than-obvious rec.radio.amateur.homebrew, and we may soon have
rec.radio.amateur.dx.  Must a name be redundantly clear this deep into
a hierarchy, even though it then becomes less accurate in describing
the purpose and discussions held in the group?

So, I take it back.  In this effort, of which I am a supporter but not
an instigator, I now realise that we are the outsiders.  I'm sure that
it never occurred to most of the supporters for the group that the
obvious choice for the group name would be considered by some to be
questionable, and our surprise is showing up in some of our postings.
I would support another name rather than have the group vote fail, but
I think that would be a real shame, and I'm not sure what would have
been "saved" should that happen.

73,
Mike, KK6GM



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:11 1996
From: [e-mail] (Richard E Stealey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 12 May 1996 11:21:43 GMT
Message-ID: <4n4hk7$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mrdvi$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4n399q$[e-mail]>

michael silva ([e-mail]) wrote:
: to news.groups).  I don't know what advice group-advice has to offer --
: have "they" (and I admit I don't know who "they" are, but I'm learning)
: come out against the name, or did somebody just question it, or what?
: All I have seen is scant second-hand information.

Ok, Michael heres the staight dope from the Guy who made the proposal
and who got the advice from group-advice to not use boatanchors.
The e-mail was from David Wright and he specifically said that
boatanchors was unacceptable, and that he would vote against it and
urge others to do as well.

: It seems to me that the real question is exactly what latitude *is*
: allowed four names deep into a hierarchy?  I am a native english

Precisely.
All I have to do is TRY TO THINK of what other name possibly could
a newsgroup devoted to DX be called to realize how we have to stick
to our guns here.  Also say we were going to form a newsgroup
devoted to "operating with low power".   I bet 999 out of 1000
hams would say QRP.  Now, how many out of 1000 non hams would guess the
meaning?  Who cares?   Who cares if they understand or not?  They
will never read or post a message there?  WHO CARES? WHO CARES?
What would group advice have us call it?  rec.radio.amateur.low-power?
How absurd.  NO - I want it to a vote.  I want it decided in an open
forum.  I do not want it decided in private, behind-the-scenes
e-mail.  If we lose, we lose.  So what?  We'll worry about what to
do later.  But I'll tell you this.  If we lose it won't be because
we hams voted it down.  From all the response I've seen so far
the hams are behind it 95%, the rest are just willing to give in
without a vote - but not me.

RIck   KT2Q
Proponent of the rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors newsgroup - and still
waiting for uunet to post it, so we can get going.


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:12 1996
From: [e-mail](michael silva)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 12 May 1996 18:05:51 GMT
Message-ID: <4n599v$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mrdvi$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4n399q$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jon Bell) writes:
>
> michael silva <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>It seems to me that the real question is exactly what latitude *is*
>>allowed four names deep into a hierarchy?  I am a native english
>>speaker and in looking through a random sample of usenet names I
>>found plenty that I didn't understand.
>
>It's true that precedents count for a lot in Usenet, and we have to
>take them into account.  Nevertheless, I don't think we should use
>precedent as an excuse for perpetuating questionable practices....If
>there are N obscure newsgroups out there already, how does
>having N+1 of them improve things?  It just takes us a step in the
>opposite direction.

I don't agree that just because a tail name might not be understandable
to everyone (especially those -not- interested in the subject) that is
is a "questionable practice" to use that name.  I find more
questionable the notion that those not familiar with the subject at
hand (see how carefully I now avoid the "O" word ;) can make informed
judgements about the most appropriate tail name (which would exist at
the end of a perfectly descriptive hierarchical prefix, no less).  In
fact, I find a touch of hubris in the notion that somebody, somewhere,
must be defended against a long-standing and perfectly understood name
supported by the community in question.
>
>It's just like in the "real" world... when one group needs the
cooperation
>of other groups in order to achieve its goals, it needs to be able to
>compromise when necessary.  Setting up a newsgroup requires the
>cooperation of a *lot* more people than setting up a mailing list
does.

But what does such a compromise achieve?  How is Usenet better for
forcing the adoption of a group name that is less meaningful to those
who are interested in the subject matter.  I have the sense that this
alleged confusion which may result is just a chimera, in opposition to
the very real and clear desires of the amateur radio community.

73,
Mike, KK6GM



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:13 1996
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jon Bell)
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:38:37 GMT
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4n8nat$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

 Bruce Baugh <[e-mail]> wrote:
>It appears, to judge from e-mail I've gotten from two sources now,
>that the "boatanchor" name has a decades-long history and is widely
>recognized in the journals of the field. If anyone who knows could
>take a break from the one-upmanship games to document this, it'd go a
>_long_ way toward settling the question.

And if someone can show that "boatanchor" is widely recognized among radio
amateurs who are not native speakers of English, that would help with
me.

How about rec.radio.amateur.equipment.obsolete?  There are probably other
kinds of obsolete equipment besides boatanchors, but if this discussion
is any indication, I suspect that such a group would be de-facto
dominated by boatanchor traffic.

--
Jon Bell <[e-mail]>                        Presbyterian College
Dept. of Physics and Computer Science        Clinton, South Carolina USA


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:15 1996
From: [e-mail] (piranha)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 16 May 1996 12:34:09 -0400
Message-ID: <4nfle1$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mp7de$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>,
Henry van Cleef <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I also wonder how you are going to deal with the confusion between a
>radio discussed on rec.boats.electronics (for which an RFD is currently
>active) and a "boatanchor" amateur radio.

        what confusion?  i'm a boater, not a ham, and i wouldn't look
        for advice on boating electronics in a group called rec.radio.
        amateur.boatanchors.  i'd look in rec.boats.  there is some
        crossover when you get into bluewater cruising and SSB equip-
        ment, but i am sure i would still not look in r.r.a.boatanchors
        for that.

        by the way, i am familiar with the term "boatanchor" for old
        computer equipment -- i'd suspect that r.r.a.b would be for
        old ham equipment.  the descriptive line could say "for talk
        about vacuum tube radio equipment", and that would be fine for
        my purposes.  if i want to know more, i can read the FAQ, and
        from the sounds of it, an explanation is available there.

>I think that you have to recognize that **most** of the Usenet world is
>what you are terming "outsiders."  Your position is like that of someone
>who insists on "misc.haircuts.whiffle" because that is a term used in a
>relatively small region, without realizing that Usenet includes 50
>states in the US, all of the Canadian provinces, Great Britain,
>Australia, and New Zealand just in the English-speaking realm, and that
>one of the side benefits of having a well-named newsgroup is that it
>will attract people from countries where English is very much a second
>language, with posters working from translating dictionaries.

        you don't really want me to go thru the active file and pick
        out all the groups that have names which i, as a non-native
        speaker of english, don't understand, do you?  the dominance
        of english is acceptable to me, but not to the point where
        a population of 700,000 people is refused a term they use
        as a matter of fact because somebody in southeastern turkes-
        tan might not have an up-to-date dictionary.

        somebody else asked what i would think rec.collecting.stamps.
        cinderellas would be for -- simple:  stamps.  *snicker*.  if
        i was interested further (and i'd hope the descriptive line
        would tell me whether this had anything to do with disney,
        *grin*), i would acquire the FAQ and find out.

        i am all in favour of keeping the top 3 hierarchies clean
        and easily understandable, but i don't get all bent out of
        shape if i don't upon first sight understand a fourth level
        name -- it does happen at times, and you'll admit that
        my grasp of english isn't too bad.  things get rather spe-
        cialized at that level, and even a good grasp of english
        isn't necessarily enough to understand the specialization.
        i don't see that as a problem.

        i agree that namespace issues are important, but i wonder
        whether in this case there isn't a bit of overreaction --
        the name of a group itself is never, ever enough to convey
        the true spirit of the group anyway, and i consistly advise
        newbies to not rely on _their_ interpretation of a name,
        but to read the FAQ, read the group, and see what the at-
        mosphere is like.  (by the way, soc.singles is neither a
        meat market, a personal ad repository, nor does it discuss
        modern methods of cheese packaging.  there.  i needed to
        get that off my chest, thank you.)

>Much as I disagree with David Lawrence and his "group advice" operation
>a lot of the time, in this case we're dealing with a very real conflict
>with a newsgroup proposal addressing electronics used on boats.  You can
>pretty well count on a whole group of "no" votes from outsiders on the
>namespace issue, and I don't think you can count on enough "insider"
>votes to carry the proposal through a vote.

        well, i wouldn't vote 'no' on it.  usually i don't vote on
        groups i am not planning to read at all, but i really do
        not like the tone of this, which crops up now and then --
        this isn't a political issue, the name isn't offensive to
        anyone, a large population around the world understands
        the name, and i wish people wouldn't be so ornery.  it's
        sad advice; i'd prefer to see advice that tells the ham
        folks how to present their case better.

        so here's some of that:  show us that there is traffic
        justifying the new group, show us that there really are
        hundreds of thousands of people out there who understand
        the name (i suspect that is true merely based on my own
        feeble understanding of the term).  most people in news.
        groups seem to me eminently reasonable, albeit a bit
        frayed around the nerves from a lot of recent bullshit.
        let's see a proper RFD, and we can go from there.

        -alix



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:16 1996
From: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Proposed Code Speed Chang
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 11 May 96 12:16:00 -0400
Distribution: world
Reply-To: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)


To: [e-mail]
Subject: Proposed Code Speed Change - codechg (0/1)

S>I need help to do this CODE speed change to 5 wpm for ALL classes of
 >U.S. Hams.

Why?  So that you can pass the Extra WITHOUT DOING ANY WORK?
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From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:18 1996
From: [e-mail] (Carl Everson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: QCWA Convention
Date: 10 May 1996 04:15:42 GMT
Message-ID: <4mufte$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Carl Everson)

---------------------------------------------------------------------

                     'A   C A P I T A L   I D E A'

                The National Capital Chapter #70, QCWA
                (Quarter Century Wireless Association)
                    INVITES ALL AMATEURS TO ATTEND
                the 1996 QCWA International Convention
                          to be held at the
     Citadel Inn in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada on 4/5 October 1996

A tentative, subject to change, outline of activities follows:

  - Banquet speaker - John Gilbert, VE3CXL, former Director-General
    of the Canadian Government Telecommunications Agency, will speak
    on Canadian and U.S.A. involvement in early Arctic communications.
  - George Roach, VE3BNO, will speak on the moving of the AM
    broadcast transmitters of CFRA
  - Barry Mclarnon, VE3JF, will speak on Packet Radio as it has
    developed in the Ottawa area.
  - Graham Lightfoot will speak on local and other UFO activity
  - Bill Westbrook, VE3EKA, will speak on the new Ottawa ATV repeater
  - Jack Belrose, VE2CV, will speak on Fessenden and Marconi
  - Gerry King, VE3GK, 'The Golden Kilowatt' will speak on high-
    powered transmitters and large-scale antenna systems
  - Dennis Mungham, VE3ASO, will speak on VE3ONT and Moonbounce at
    the Algonquin Observatory
  - a Forum will be held either on the IARU(International Amateur
    Radio Union) and upcoming conferences and changes to expect, or
    on some other topic of current interest to Amateurs
  - there will be a display by the Vintage Radio Group of Ottawa
  - a City Bus Tour will include afternoon tea served at the Green
    Valley Restaurant, also a Steam Train Tour to Wakefield, Quebec
  - a Formal Banquet(Saturday) will be held with a speaker as noted
    above, also a Saturday Breakfast, and a Sunday Brunch
  - there will be a 'Meet & Greet' opportunity to chat with amateurs
    from across North America and possibly from overseas
  - there will be informal shopping, museum visits, and sight-seeing
    available in our Nation's Capital

If scheduling or other problems prevent some activities, they will be
replaced by other activities of similar interest and appeal.

ALL Amateurs are welcome and are encouraged to attend.  Basic Amateur
registration is $13.00Cdn($10.00US) and Spouse/Non-Amateur Guest
registration is $2.50Cdn($2.00US).  There are additional charges to
attend the meals and the tours.

Further information on prices, hotel reservations, finalized agenda,
etc. may be obtained from:

 - Chairman    : George Roach, VE3BNO, [phone]
 - Registration: Carl Everson, VE3BYX, [phone], or
                               [e-mail]
 - Treasurer   : Keith Bedal,  VE3GFI, [phone],
                 [e-mail]  or  VE3GFI@VE3FD.#eon.on.can.noam
---------------------------------------------------------------------


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:18 1996
From: [e-mail] (Phil Sikes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: QRP info
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 06:32:14 GMT
Message-ID: <4muo3h$[e-mail]>
References: <4mno3v$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (MAILLET D.) wrote:

>hello , I'm F5TSW
>please help me for recomendation for LAW QRP trafic.

>* power output:  max 10 Watts or 5 watts
5 Watts is considered to be QRP
>* antenna:       dipole or GP or YAGY -->  how many dB  zero ?(dipole)
Whatever you can get in the air
>* mode:          CW only or PHONE
Any and all modes available to you

>tnx ; 73 domy

>[e-mail]
Hope to hear you on the air QRP soon,
Phil, KJ7NS




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:19 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: QRP info
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4mno3v$[e-mail]> <4muo3h$[e-mail]> <4mvf2l$[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 21:24:09 GMT

MAILLET D. <[e-mail]> wrote:
>my question is: * if used the antenna with 6bB gain and 5 watts ouput
>the power is abt 20 watts ---> is not QPR !
>for respect the power the antenna ave 0 dB (dipole)
>is a FAIR PLAY ...

This was the source of much debate a couple years ago on the QRP email
list. What if my 20M dipole is on a cliff overlooking the ocean,
and someone else's is in a forest (high RF absorption)? Once that
5W leaves the back of the radio it's nearly impossible to demand that
other conditions be equal.

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:20 1996
From: daniel wilson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Really confused :-\
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 19:32:42 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I am very confused about what equipment is needed to partcipate in
packet radio networking, etc. I often come across pages that say you
need an FM radio, is that just an everyday FM radio that sits in your
HIFI ? or is it more complicated. What about antenae ? How big do they
need to be ? do you need them at all if you are using an FM radio ???

Thanks

******
daniel




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:21 1996
Date: 10 May 96 14:08:49 GMT
Message-ID: <pschleck.831737329@gonix>
From: [e-mail] (Paul W Schleck KD3FU)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: rec.radio.amateur.equipment.tube+antique? (was Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?)
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4moi80$[e-mail]>

In <4moi80$[e-mail]> [e-mail](Rob Peebles)
writes:

>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Henry van
>Cleef) writes:
>
>>I have said, publicly, several times, that if a Usenet newsgroup were
>>proposed to parallel the mail list, I would expect it to have a name
>>recognizable to the vast majority of Usenet readers, who can't be
>>presumed to understand amateur radio slang.
>>
>>I would strongly suggest that you consider"rec.radio.amateur.antique,"
>>which, it seems to me, is fairly descriptive, and also matches, to
>>some extent, the name of a closely-related Usenet newsgroup.

>I don't know about that.  Speaking as a radio amateur,
>rec.radio.amateur.antique sounds more like a discussion of antique
>hams and codgers than vintage equipment.

>If one wanted to nit pick, rec.radio.amateur.equipment.antique would be
>the most descriptive and fit the current hierarchy.

I've been thinking much along the same lines, and Rob seems to have
stated it the most succinctly for me.

If we make it a breakout from rec.radio.amateur.equipment.*, then we
should also have a rec.radio.amateur.equipment.misc.  The existence of
.misc groups is well-established, and leaves room for future growth.

Since others have pointed out that boatanchors are not necessarily
antiques (and vice-versa), we may also wish to consider the alternative
name of rec.radio.amateur.equipment.tube+antique.  The use of a + in a
name is already well-established in rec.antiques.radio+phono.  It's also
under the 14-character limit.  This is a long name, but since most
readers of news almost never type in the newsgroup name (relying on
.newsrc files), this isn't a significant user-interface issue (this came
up during the 1991 reorg changing rec.ham-radio to rec.radio.amateur.*,
and was dismissed with the same argument).

>We have .homebrew,  we may soon have .dx.  I've seen postings on
>rec.radio.scanner asking about flatbeds, so you'll always have somebody
>posting to the wrong group.

>If it is determined that slang doesn't have a place in the
>rec.radio.amateur.* (or any Usenet) hierarchy, then it should be made
>consistent across the board.

>If we are going to dumb things down for those who can't function
>without a search engine,  I suggest groups like the following:

>rec.radio.amateur.homebrew -> rec.radio.amateur.equipment.i.built
>rec.radio.amateur.dx -> rec.radio.amateur.communicate.far.away


>or how about:

>rec.radio.amateur.misc -> rec.radio.amateur.argue.bash.flame

How about these?:

rec.radio.amateur.sk - Memorials for Deceased Amateurs (Silent Keys)
rec.radio.amateur.qsl - Exchange of Confirmation (QSL) Cards

Some slang is clearly more meaningful than others (dx and homebrew are
somewhat more meaningful than qsl, sk, or boatanchors).  Rather than obsess
over a foolish consistency (i.e., allow all slang or allow no slang),
perhaps we should decide these on a case-by-case basis through on-line
discussion and voting.  That's what the RFD/CFV process is designed for,
is it not?

--
73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU
[e-mail]
http://www.gonix.com/pschleck/
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From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:22 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.scanner
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Regency still alive?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 02:36:05 GMT

I'm getting an older Regency tone-alert monitor from some fire dept.
I'd like to re-crystal and re-tone it for the NWS on 162.55 MHz.
Anyone know if Regency is still in business? The xtal shouldn't
be a problem but I'm worried about getting the 1050 Hz tone
decoder for it.

Thanks in advance,
Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:23 1996
From: Andy Brinkley <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Regency still alive?
Date: 9 May 1996 00:15:50 GMT
Message-ID: <4mrdfm$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:
>I'm getting an older Regency tone-alert monitor from some fire dept.
>I'd like to re-crystal and re-tone it for the NWS on 162.55 MHz.
>Anyone know if Regency is still in business? The xtal shouldn't
>be a problem but I'm worried about getting the 1050 Hz tone
>decoder for it.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Jeff KH2PZ


Jeff -

Regency is now Regency Land Mobile Radio (RELM) and they are located in West
Melbourne Fl.  Tech Help is 800-422-6281 and the parts number is 800-422-6282.
They may not have much on the alert monitor - They probably stopped making the
m at
least 10 years ago.

If the unit has a decoder that uses "reeds" then you can probably get one from

BRAMCO and swap it out.  Another method might be to build a decoder circuit fr
om a
567 tone decoder chip for the NWS Alert tone.

Hope that this has helped.

E-mail me if you need more info.


Andy N4ROX  "[e-mail]"



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:24 1996
From: Rich Fortnum <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Repeater Equipment Needed
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 13:31:29 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

I need the following for repeater equipment:

Cavities/Duplexer
Feed Line
Multi-Node Controller, VHF (perhaps with UHF links)
Antenna (onmidirectional)

Any ideas, please e-mail me.  This repeater is for emergency use with the R=
ed Cross.
Please help us help people.

Cheers!

-- =


Rich Fortnum (aka BeeRich) [e-mail] VA3 RFZ
F&M Breweries, Guelph, Ontario, Canada
Renaissance Brewers of Fine Ales and Lagers=99 =

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From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:26 1996
From: [e-mail] (anb)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: REQ:Looking for E-mail address of the US/Int`l Callbook
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 00:24:07 -0700
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Keywords: callbook, UK, England, callsign

Reply to article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

-Please, could anyone prompt an E-mail address of the Callbook
-Editorial Staff.

I'm the admin at http://users.lanminds.com/~anb/hamlinx.html

Although I don't have the e-mail address, one good US callbook server is
located at the URL below:

http://www.ualr.edu/doc/hamualr/callsign.html

You can use telnet to access the callbook at this address:

callsign.cs.buffalo.edu:2000

The e-mail-file-server is the <grafex.sbay.org> site.
   Technically, this is not a "ftp" site, it's more of a "mail-back ftp"
site.  There are a multitude of ham-related articles and programs for
several different types of systems, including Macs.  This is how you use
it:  First, send an e-mail to <[e-mail]> and in the text
of the message, place:

   HELP [enter]
   GET /hamradio/INDEX.TXT [enter]
   QUIT [enter]

The index is automatically sent; it lists the commands you can use, and
how to get a list of all the files they have and their directories.  There
is a hard limit of 3 Megs/day download.  They ask that you do it this way
to maintain a manageably-low load on their server.

A whole list of callsign servers is available on the web at places like:

http://www.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Radio/Amateur_Radio/Callsign_Servers/

ÇÇ Does anybody know of anywhere at all the UK Ham Callbook is accessible
off the net?  Could anybody with an international callbook look up a call
for me?

Thanks!
___________________
Andy Brandt, KE6SKH
E-mail:  [e-mail], [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:27 1996
From: [e-mail](Peter Lansing )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Results of a CW Survey
Date: 9 May 1996 19:08:29 GMT
Message-ID: <4mtfrd$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> Bruce Burke
<[e-mail]> writes:
>
>Many of you may remember that I conducted a morse code survey
>last year as part of a class project.<snip>
>So, if you would like to see what I found out, surf on
>over to his homepage entitled "Telegraph Lore."
>
>
>The URL is:
>
>http://www.cris.com/~gsraven/
>
>73,
>       Bruce, WB4YUC
Bruce, this is a very well documented survey.  VERY WELL DONE!  Keep up
the good scientific research, it is what we need.

Peter Lansing AA8KT


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:27 1996
From: Bruce Burke <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Results of a CW Survey
Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 07:56:08 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Many of you may remember that I conducted a morse code survey
last year as part of a class project. Well, the ARRL
looked at it and decided they didn't want to publish it.

I have since converted it to HTML. My friend Greg, KF5N,
was kind enough to put it on his web page and give permission
to make this public announcement.

So, if you would like to see what I found out, surf on
over to his homepage entitled "Telegraph Lore."


The URL is:

http://www.cris.com/~gsraven/

73,
        Bruce, WB4YUC


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:30 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gerard Foley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Results of a CW Survey
Date: 14 May 1996 09:02:53 -0400
Message-ID: <4na09t$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mtfrd$[e-mail]> <4n7gng$[e-mail]>

Jim Cummings ([e-mail]) wrote:

<snip>

:   He is still labouring under that
: notion that "morse code gets through when all others don't..."  I believe
: that Coffman has demonstrated a number of times in these newsgroups that
: mathematically this is no longer true.

I cannot imagine how a mathematical demonstration could be relevant to
the question of whether "morse" code gets through where others don't.
There can be no question that very complicated methods can produce
improvements in readability over code.  Likewise there is no question
that morse code could be used to key an idling PSK channel to communicate
then the keyboard was broken or missing and produce reliable communication
to a trained recipient whose CRT monitor had just quite working but who
did have a regenerative receiver with headphones.

In addition, those of us who use
: these modes would tend to agree that Morse code is no longer the most
: robust mode of communciations.

What I have described above is robust.  It may be slow, but its robust!

<snip>

  I agree with the comments about sampling and statistics and so on.

K8EF



--
Gerry


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:31 1996
From: Jim Cummings <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Results of a CW Survey
Date: 14 May 1996 17:36:52 GMT
Message-ID: <4nagbk$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mtfrd$[e-mail]> <4n7gng$[e-mail]> <4na09t$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Gerard Foley) wrote:
>Jim Cummings ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>:   He is still labouring under that
>: notion that "morse code gets through when all others don't..."  I believe
>: that Coffman has demonstrated a number of times in these newsgroups that
>: mathematically this is no longer true.
>
>I cannot imagine how a mathematical demonstration could be relevant to
>the question of whether "morse" code gets through where others don't.
>There can be no question that very complicated methods can produce
>improvements in readability over code.  Likewise there is no question
>that morse code could be used to key an idling PSK channel to communicate
>then the keyboard was broken or missing and produce reliable communication
>to a trained recipient whose CRT monitor had just quite working but who
>did have a regenerative receiver with headphones.
>

But I draw your attention to the bias of the individual who wrote the
results of the survey.  Quoting from the published survey:

"Modal Efficiency

This argument is based on a technical point of view and correctly so.
Mathematically, it can be proven that a station operating Morse Code at,
10 - 20wpm (words per minute), and designed around this requirement, will
indeed have the highest system gain of any other mode available."

This is a patently false statement.  Although he subsequently states that
in practise this is not true, Coffman has on a number of occaisions
demonstrated mathematically that Morse code does not have the highest
system gain of any other mode available.  This individual made a
representation of facts that are untrue - both theoretically and
practically that Morse code gets through when all other modes fail.

It was the author of the survey who claimed the mathematical robustness
of Morse code.  My response is that he is ignorant.  If you don't believe
there is a relevancy, and I agree with you that there is none, then take
it up with the originator, not me.  My point was that he failed to engage
his brain before publishing this drivel.


>In addition, those of us who use
>: these modes would tend to agree that Morse code is no longer the most
>: robust mode of communciations.
>
>What I have described above is robust.  It may be slow, but its robust!
>

No doubt that it is slow, but robust?  I suppose that depends on one's
opinion.  (What is the measure of rosbustness anyways?)  Primitive, I
will grant you, just at semaphone and heliotrope based communications are
also primitive, but primitive communications doesn't necessarily equate
to robustness.  Otherwise, Morse code would not be experiencing its
noticable decline.

><snip>
>
>  I agree with the comments about sampling and statistics and so on.
>
>K8EF
>
>
>
>--
>Gerry

73 and live better digitally
Jim, VE3XJ





From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:32 1996
From: Bruce Burke <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Results of a CW Survey
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 07:40:47 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mtfrd$[e-mail]> <4n7gng$[e-mail]> <4na09t$[e-mail]> <4nagbk$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Andrew D. Lawlor wrote:
>
> Bruce Burke wrote:
> >
> <<SNIP>>
>
> > being ignorant.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bruce, WB4YUC
>
> Jeepers, Bruce, I thougth it was kinda neat. (seriously)
>
> 73, Andy KC6NMD
These folks are taking things way too seriously, they are
reading things into the report that aren't there.

As for the Big issue being made out of the
system gain issue. Mathematically, OOK morse will win.

As I previously stated, a cw station with a 250Hz BW
has a 5.1dB greater system gain than does the PK232 with
it's 450 Hz BW. My support of that argument was then indeed correct.
Especially since the argument was limited to current modes
available.

So far, no one has demonstrated that this is not correct other
than to say it is incorrect.

Regards,

Bruce


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:33 1996
From: Bruce Burke <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Results of a CW Survey
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 07:55:06 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mtfrd$[e-mail]> <4n7gng$[e-mail]> <4na09t$[e-mail]> <4nagbk$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Andrew D. Lawlor wrote:
>
> Bruce Burke wrote:
> >
> <<SNIP>>
>
> > being ignorant.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bruce, WB4YUC
>
> Jeepers, Bruce, I thougth it was kinda neat. (seriously)
>
> 73, Andy KC6NMD

It's too bad that a reasonable discussion wasn't brought forth on this.

I would have been more than happy to have embarked on one. However,
the first thing out of everybody's was generalized attacks.

So far, no one has mathematically proven the system gain
argument wrong, whereas I have already proven it as being correct.
Further, no one has actually cited anything on which to base a
discussion. It appears that the only interest here is
to insult and run people into the ground.

If someone wishes a logical discussion, they can email me.

73,
Bruce


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:34 1996
From: Peter Coffee AC6EN <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Results of a CW Survey
Date: 16 May 1996 15:20:00 GMT
Message-ID: <4nfh30$epq$[e-mail]>

Bruce, WB4YUC, wrote:

 > As for those who think these were 54 self-selected replies??
 > Self-selected?  How the hell do you draw that conclusion?  What
 > makes YOU qualified to draw such conclusions?  That was all the
 > response I got.

Bruce, the term "self-selected" does not mean that you ignored some
fraction of the replies.  It means that the respondents were people
who chose to respond, not a random sample or a constructed representative
sample of the ham population.  This means that the sample is likely to
be drawn, disproportionately, from the tails of the bell curve -- that is,
from the small fraction of hams with strong opinions on one side of the
issue or the other, in addition to the bias introduced by the means by
which the survey was administered.  "Bias" in the technical sense of the
term, not meant to suggest any deliberate slanting of the results.

You did qualify your report of your results.  Anyone who flames you for
the conclusions, ignoring your own qualification of their value, just
proves that most people won't read.


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:35 1996
From: Bruce Burke <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Results of a CW Survey
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 07:56:25 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4nfh30$epq$[e-mail]>

Peter Coffee AC6EN wrote:
>
> Bruce, WB4YUC, wrote:
>
>  > As for those who think these were 54 self-selected replies??
>  > Self-selected?  How the hell do you draw that conclusion?  What
>  > makes YOU qualified to draw such conclusions?  That was all the
>  > response I got.
>
> Bruce, the term "self-selected" does not mean that you ignored some
> fraction of the replies.  It means that the respondents were people
> who chose to respond, not a random sample or a constructed representative
> sample of the ham population.  This means that the sample is likely to
> be drawn, disproportionately, from the tails of the bell curve -- that is,
> from the small fraction of hams with strong opinions on one side of the
> issue or the other, in addition to the bias introduced by the means by
> which the survey was administered.  "Bias" in the technical sense of the
> term, not meant to suggest any deliberate slanting of the results.
>
> You did qualify your report of your results.  Anyone who flames you for
> the conclusions, ignoring your own qualification of their value, just
> proves that most people won't read.


Thanks Peter,

I think most folks either skipped the intro or misread it.

All the demographic data is just window dressing and actually could have
been left out without affecting the purpose of the paper in any way.

In truth all methods of polling are self-selected. No one is
forced to take part in any survey. As for mine, the target audience
was missed. I was seeking ALL U.S. amateurs. In that regard, I couldn't
help but have a random sampling.

It did not matter their age, class of license, length of licensure,
whether or not they designed radios or drove a bus. It didn't
even matter if they were FOR or AGAINST having a morse testing
requirement. That information was not the focus of the paper.

73,

Bruce, WB4YUC


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:36 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Results of a CW Survey
Date: Fri, 17 May 96 01:11:21 GMT
Message-ID: <4ngnrv$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mtfrd$[e-mail]> <4n7gng$[e-mail]> <4na09t$[e-mail]> <4nagbk$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4ng530$[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (Todd Little) wrote:

>Again, please provide the numbers.  I can't see how you've managed
>a nearly 8 dB gain for a 2.5 factor in bandwidth reduction.   Why
>isn't the additional gain roughly 4 dB?

Todd,

The gain in signal-to-noise occurs on both transmit and receive.  The
transmit signal is more effective because its energy isn't dispersed
over as large a bandwidth, and the receiver effectiveness improves
because its noise bandwidth can also be reduced.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:40 1996
From: Jim Cummings <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Results of a CW Survey
Date: 17 May 1996 20:51:45 GMT
Message-ID: <4niot1$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mtfrd$[e-mail]> <4n7gng$[e-mail]> <4na09t$[e-mail]> <4nagbk$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Bruce Burke <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Jim Cummings wrote:

>I see some people just don't get it. Obviously Jim, YOU are the one who is bi
ased
>and don't understand the issue. Mainly because you are quoting someone elses
work
>without yourself showing any technical capability.
>

The fact that I defer to someone else who has already posted extensively
only indicates that I have no intention on re-inventing the wheel.
Furthermore, as Coffman has rarely if at all been contradicted in his
postings on this topic, I defer to those whose expertise and ability to
expound on these topics is much greater than mine.

>Do you even understand what system gain is?
>Let's take an example in the real world. A cw rig with a 250Hz BW has a syste
m
>gain advantage of 5.1 dB over the 450 Hz BW in the PK-232, all else being equ
al.
>Now, are you able to calculate this yourself, or do you need to go running of
f
>to someone else?
>

In fact, Burke discussed but one factor of system gain.  That comparison
of the relative merits of the necessary bandwidth of a channel over
another that is wider.  I doubt that a comparison of just one factor out
of many would qualify as being a definitive measure of Morse code over
the capability of a PK232.

>And system gain is only one small measure of a system, but this was the argum
ent
>presented and this is what I stuck with.

But to ignore any other factors would lead the uninitiated down the
garden path that Morse code was indeed more efficient.  This no longer
true, and hasn't been for years.  See Ford's product review on the P38
board in August 95 QST where he was able to demodulate Baudot signals
when indeed he could not even hear them.

>Further, to optimize the bandwidth,
>we could get down to 100Hz - and still be able to copy 20wpm,
>yielding another 7.95 dB of system gain, for a total of 13.05 dB.
>Remember, the argument also stated "mode available."
>

Of course - at the cost of sending the Morse code at a slower signalling
rate in order to overcome filter ringing.

>You have also incorrectly stated this is MY argument.
>This was the argument of the respondants! Where is my bias,
>I supported it where appropriate, and refuted it where appropriate.
>

No, that is not true.  Some of the respondents claimed that Morse code
was superior to all other modes.  Not only did Burke agree with that
claim, he further emphasized that this was true mathematically.  When
challenged, he claims that Morse code is superior mathematically
because is uses a smaller bandwidth than a commercial mult-mode
controller.  The problem is that gain-bandwidth product for a system is
but one figuire to determine over-all efficiency.  To use but one factor
is misleading.

>Efficiency is relative anyway. I can prove several ways in which
>cw is more efficient than any other digital mode currently
>available, some non-mathmatical. Now these will be MY arguments:
>
>1) The cost of a computer, used - $500.00. Muti-mode TNC, used - $150
>Let's make the software FREE! - Total $650.00 The cost of a straight
>key from Radio Shack - about $6.00 - $7.00. Which system is more
>economically efficient?
>

The relative economies compared to the two systems was not even discussed
in the paper.  In any case, in order to give a reasonable comparison
between the two modes, one would also have to include the resource
expenditure in order to train an individual to be able to be a competent
operator at 20 words per minute.  In terms of man-hours alone in training
time, Morse code doesn't even come close.  Besides, if one were to
scrounge a bit, one could get a dumb terminal at no cost, and probably an
older generation computer for nothing as well.  Software?  There are a
number of Baudot/Amtor programs at the ftp sites of the IDRS and ARRL.  A
terminal unit to interface the computer/terminal to the rig would cost
just a few dollars - something simple like a couple of opto-iolators to
convert the RS232 pulses to FSK switching.  If the rig is not FSK ready,
one just need to add a varactor in the VFO and this will shift the signal
the required 170 Hz.  Cost?  Probably about 20 bucks.


>2) Under adverse conditions, the message being sent is:
>The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
>
>A digital system, such as AMTOR is going to grind away until
>the output is:
>The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
>
>The cw op may get:
>
>Th_ qu_ck brown fo_ jump_d ov_r th_ l_zy dog.
>
>The cw op has no problem in understanding this message and will
>quickly fill in the blanks without asking for a resend.
>Which system is more robust in the area of fault tolerance?
>

This true only under two conditions - the receiving operator is aware of
the QBF string, or speaks English.  If the message was in a language
other than English, the CW operator would be out of luck.  As an example:

Le **steme de detre**e et de se**rite radio actu*l fond* *ur le code
mor** et les gar*es d'ecoute* sera rem*lace pa* le **steme mon*ial de
detre**e et de se**rite en mer (SMDSM), de *er fevrier, 19**.

(My apologies for the lack of accents).

An English speaking operator would be at a disadvantage because he would
not be able to fill-in the missing letters.  No such concern when a
digital mode is used.


>3) Hurricane Andrew has just blasted through. You manage to
>save most of your equipment, but only have one storage battery
>and a small solar panel to charge it.
>
>Do you operate cw with a straight key or bug, or run
>your computer, tnc, and a printer??
>
>Which system is more energy efficient?
>

More to the point, which, under these circumstances is more likely to
get through?  Since the digital systems are capabable of communicating
during propagation conditions that would be impossible for Morse code,
use of digital systems is beyond question.  Not only will digital modes
get through when Morse code will not, there is a network of
Clover/Pactor/Amtor BBS's that are constantly scanning the amateur bands
listening for other stations to call them.  No such networks exist for
CW.  Furthermore, these networks have also VHF packet/e-mail gateways,
further enhancing the emergency capabilities of digital communications.
What can CW offer?  Often times, it is limited to just random chance
communications.  It is for this reason that Morse code rarely plays a
insignificant role during emergency communciations.

>4) Not difficult enough yet.
>Let's go back to the hurricane, this time, only your tranceiver and
>emergency power are available. Your mic is in a puddle, ruined,
>as is your computer. Your TNC powers up, but you can't tell anything
>else. Your cw key is also missing. So now what. Do you sit on your
>duff complaining that you can't communicate, or do you fashion a key
>out of scrap metal and get on the air?
>
>Which system is more robust now??

Fair enough.  You've been able to dry out your computer and find that it
works just fine and the multi-mode controller is operaable.  But because
you sustained a head injury, you are deaf.  Which system is more robust
now?

We can go on and on with these silly little scenarios until we go blue in
the face, it still doesn't make it any the less true that Morse code
communciations is not as efficient as digital communciations.
>
>5) Add to that the fact that cw is the ONLY digital mode that can be
>copied both by machine and by hand makes it pretty damned versitile.
>Let's see you copy CLOVER by hand....
>

or let's see if Burke can send his picture on CW...


>Jim, you obviously don't understand all the complexities and goals in
>designing communications systems.

Oh really?  Considering Burke's inept survey, I doubt that his opinion on
my technical competency would be of much value.

>Indeed, if I wanted to design
>a digital system that could operate in a 100Hz bandwidth, yup,
>it would work great from a system gain standpoint. But, who the hell
>would buy it??

I know I wouldn't because I also know that basing system performance on
one parameter is foolish to the extreme.

>Would the resultant throughput justify the
>huge increase in cost. Besides, once again, I'll point out,
>the argument was "MODE AVAILABLE." And of those mentioned, I specifically
>pointed out CLOVER as being the best avaiable.

Oh yes...  clover is the best available.  Quoting from the survey:

"Those who argue the efficiency of Morse Code are indeed correct -
theoretically. However, seldom are propagation conditions ever so bad
that another mode would not work. Some of the newer digital modes, such
as "CLOVER" which adapts on the fly, come about as close as one can to
beating Morse Code out entirely under unfavorable conditions. Add to
that, the fact that most receivers are manufactured to cover operational
requirements as generally as possible, and the argument dims. However,
for its simplicity and independence of special equipment beyond the
operator/radio, Morse is indeed the most efficient of modes."

Faint praise indeed.  I would be pleased if Burke is able to support the
statement that Clover alone approaches the capabilities of Morse code,
considering the number of articles that refute this claim.  As an
example, Ford, in his review of the HAL P-38 board, Aug 95 QST stated
that he could even demodulate Baudot signals while he could not hear
them.  As I have stated before, Burke has inadequately researched this
topic because the literature in the public domain doesn't support his
view.

>But, it has two
>serious drawbacks. It is expensive and propriatary to HAL. How
>does that factor into efficiency?

This is a new factor which was not even discussed in the publication.
None the less, in order to have compare the true costs, one would also
have to include the costs of training and individual to be competent at
20 words per minute.  Under those circumstances, the HAL board is a
better buy.

But, just because one cannot afford a piece of equipment, that doesn't
make it any the less efficient.  It only makes it unobtainable.  As an
example, I would love to have a Kenwood 870.  It's a great rig, but due
to my financial circumstances, I cannot afford it.  The fact that I
cannot afford one of these fine boxes doesn't detract from the fact that
it is a great radio.

In like manner, I do indeed have a P-38 board, a PK-232 and a KAM.  I
also have an amateur certificate for which I had to copy, at that time,
15 words per minute Morse code for three minutes with no errors.  Not
only that, but I also hold a 2nd Class certificate, where the Morse code
was 20 wpm for five minutes plain language, and 16 wpm cipher groups.  I
stand to be corrected, but I suspect that Burke is arguing from a
disadvantage.  I suspect that he has never operated clover on a continual
basis.  Therefore, since he has never operated at all with Clover, what
is his technical competence to claim that Morse code is superior to
Clover?


>What are the odds of communicating
>with someone else using CLOVER vs cw.

They are about the same now.

Can CLOVER operate in a
>net or roundtable mode??

Better still, Clover, amtor, and pactor BBSs are installed and
scanning and listening throughout the amateur allocations.  This means
that the chances of contacting a board are increased because they are
continually scanning a number of frequencies in different bands.
Furthermore, there is no need to wait for a net in order to pass the
traffic, it can be passed immediately upon linking with with a BBS.
Moreover, increasing number of the the BBSs have VHF Packet/e-mail
gateways, further enhancing their capabilities.

>Can this be a measure of efficiency??
>

More to the point, it is much more effective.


>BTW - if you would have CAREFULLY read my posting you would
>have understood this was a class project.

Then both Burke and his collegues are equally inept.


>Further, if you would have
>bothered to read the attached survey, it was made quite clear that this was N
OT
>a technical survey, but rather one of observation. It would have
>served absolutely no purpose to run on for pages about symbol rate,
>encoding/decoding techniques, link margins, etc.
>

It was Burke who made the technical claims of the superiority of Morse
code, not I.  My contention is that he doesn't know what he is talking
about and there is no documentation to support his assumptions.

>The survey itself also pointed out that this was
>NOT a funded research project, but a class project.
>
>That's another point I wish to clear up. CLASS PROJECT, time and
>resources were scarce. It was clearly addressed in the fourth
>paragraph of introduction that there were severe limitations.
>I am well aware that this was not a truely random sample.
>So what would that take??

A clear and honest statement that this survey was not representative.
Quote:

"One of the problems with this study will be total accuracy. The number
of questionnaires returned totaled 54, this represents less than 0.01% of
the total amateur population in the United States."

As a replacement for the first sentence I would recommend the following:

One of the problems with this study is that it has no accuracy.  The
sample size was not large enough nor was it random.  Therefore, it is not
representative of the amateur population in the United States nor does it
pruport to do so.



>1.2 million envelopes* 39 cents each = $468,000 OUCH! - even at half of that.
..
>Yes, 1.2 million is correct, a return envelope is necessary.
>
>So, who is going to put their money where their mouth is???
>

As I stated earlier, a sample of 1500 to 2000 amateurs would have been
more than sufficient.


>I had one semester to do this whole thing and little resources.
>Therefore, I used the resources I had. Internet and packet access as well as
my
>local clubs. For whatever reason, I did fail to mention that.
>
>As for those who think these were 54 self-selected replies?? Self-selected?
>How the hell do you draw that conclusion? What makes YOU qualified to draw
>such conclusions? That was all the response I got.

Although I did not make the statement that it was self-selected, I agree
with it none the less.  It was self-selected because the respondents
selected themsleves, not the individual(s) conducting the survey.

>This is a really sad statement about the hobby in and of itself.
>

I agree.  Already there have been a number of congratulatory messages to
Burke, commending him on the marvellous piece of science.  It has been
shameful to read them.

>As for methodology, I followed standard practices the best I could within
>the restraints given.
>

No, Burke did not use acceptable practises.  Burke made a survey and then
had the audacity to claim that the report was not "totally accurate".  In
contradiction, Burke's report is drivel.

>BTW - I made no claims that this was a definative survey, certainly not a
>statistical survey. This was strictly a survey of observation, sociology,
>specifically, anthropology.

Balls.  Burke put out a call for respondents, got his results and then
turned around and wrote a report on his findings which don't stand up to
scrutiny.

>It was much smaller than I would have liked and obviously you are
>seeking something more, sorry folks. I took advantage of a situation presente
d to
>me.
>
>As it is, a friend donated space on his homepage so I could fullfill the prom
ise
>to those participants who asked to see the results. I did not choose the link
 wording
>on his page. If that is what has you so damned worked up; At my request,
>he is changing it - there, your spleen feel better now?
>

No I am not.  The published results in no way reflect the amateur
community.  I would be more please if Burke would include such a
statement and that his contention that Morse code is superior to all
other available modes is seemingly based on so narrow a parameter, it is
misleading in the extreme.


>At least I DID something, you can't as yet say that.

Oh I agree, Burke did indeed do something, but has no value what so ever.

>Was it perfect, hell no,
>I know that. But the results are what they are, whether you agree with them o
r not.

I would agree that the report was imperfect.  In fact, it is useless.

>But don't ever think you'll get away with unfounded statements such as my
>being ignorant.
>

I just did and will continue to do so.

>Regards,
>
>Bruce, WB4YUC


73 and live better digitally
Jim, VE3XJ




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:43 1996
From: cc wynn <wyn>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Results of a CW Survey
Date: 18 May 1996 01:39:40 GMT
Message-ID: <4nj9os$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mtfrd$[e-mail]> <4n7gng$[e-mail]> <4na09t$[e-mail]> <4nagbk$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Bruce Burke <[e-mail]> wrote:

>It's too bad that a reasonable discussion wasn't brought forth on this.
>
>I would have been more than happy to have embarked on one. However,
>the first thing out of everybody's was generalized attacks.
>

Sorry about the attacks Bruce.  There is an old saying "When you start
getting the flak you know you are near the target".

I hope Jerry gets his wife on here to explain how one can obtain opinions
from those who chose not to give it.  How about wire-tapping or bugging?
Spanish inquisition?

Another poll ran on the internet about a year ago showed the same results
as your 56 person survey.  This was one of those neat home page tallying
setups, so everyone who participated could see the results.  I think there
were several hundred responses.  The fact that a large majority of amateurs
favor keeping the code test was again demonstrated.

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From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:46 1996
From: Bruce Burke <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Results of a CW Survey
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 08:48:57 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mtfrd$[e-mail]> <4n7gng$[e-mail]> <4na09t$[e-mail]> <4nagbk$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4niot1$[e-mail]>

Jim Cummings wrote:
>
> Bruce Burke <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >Jim Cummings wrote:
>
> >I see some people just don't get it. Obviously Jim, YOU are the one who is
biased
> >and don't understand the issue. Mainly because you are quoting someone else
s work
> >without yourself showing any technical capability.
> >
>
> The fact that I defer to someone else who has already posted extensively
> only indicates that I have no intention on re-inventing the wheel.
> Furthermore, as Coffman has rarely if at all been contradicted in his
> postings on this topic, I defer to those whose expertise and ability to
> expound on these topics is much greater than mine.

>
> In fact, Burke discussed but one factor of system gain.  That comparison
> of the relative merits of the necessary bandwidth of a channel over
> another that is wider.  I doubt that a comparison of just one factor out
> of many would qualify as being a definitive measure of Morse code over
> the capability of a PK232.
>
> >And system gain is only one small measure of a system, but this was the arg
ument
> >presented and this is what I stuck with.
>
> But to ignore any other factors would lead the uninitiated down the
> garden path that Morse code was indeed more efficient.

In the larger picture, absolutely.

But, have you missed the boat. These were not my arguments. You also missed th
e
entire point of the argument that was represented by the respondants.

The argument carefully crafted in such a way as to FORCE a given result.

>
> >Further, to optimize the bandwidth,
> >we could get down to 100Hz - and still be able to copy 20wpm,
> >yielding another 7.95 dB of system gain, for a total of 13.05 dB.
> >Remember, the argument also stated "mode available."
> >
>
> Of course - at the cost of sending the Morse code at a slower signalling
> rate in order to overcome filter ringing.
>
> >You have also incorrectly stated this is MY argument.
> >This was the argument of the respondants! Where is my bias,
> >I supported it where appropriate, and refuted it where appropriate.
> >
>
> No, that is not true.  Some of the respondents claimed that Morse code
> was superior to all other modes.

Now your outside the bounds of the original discussion, which is on
a technical point and has NOTHING to do with the rest of the argument.

Not only did Burke agree with that
> claim, he further emphasized that this was true mathematically.  When
> challenged, he claims that Morse code is superior mathematically
> because is uses a smaller bandwidth than a commercial mult-mode
> controller.  The problem is that gain-bandwidth product for a system is
> but one figuire to determine over-all efficiency.  To use but one factor
> is misleading.

Again, the argument was carefuully crafted to force a specific answer.
Indeed, to present one small technical aspect skews things, but this is
exactly what happened.
>
> >Efficiency is relative anyway. I can prove several ways in which
> >cw is more efficient than any other digital mode currently
> >available, some non-mathmatical. Now these will be MY arguments:
> >
> >1) The cost of a computer, used - $500.00. Muti-mode TNC, used - $150
> >Let's make the software FREE! - Total $650.00 The cost of a straight
> >key from Radio Shack - about $6.00 - $7.00. Which system is more
> >economically efficient?
> >
>
> The relative economies compared to the two systems was not even discussed
> in the paper.

No, it wasn't, but you apparently didn't understand that I was making a point.
In this case, I crafted an argument in such a way as to FORCE a given result.


>
> >2) Under adverse conditions, the message being sent is:
> >The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
> >
> >A digital system, such as AMTOR is going to grind away until
> >the output is:
> >The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
> >
> >The cw op may get:
> >
> >Th_ qu_ck brown fo_ jump_d ov_r th_ l_zy dog.
> >
> >The cw op has no problem in understanding this message and will
> >quickly fill in the blanks without asking for a resend.
> >Which system is more robust in the area of fault tolerance?
> >
>
> This true only under two conditions - the receiving operator is aware of
> the QBF string, or speaks English.  If the message was in a language
> other than English, the CW operator would be out of luck.  As an example:
>
> Le **steme de detre**e et de se**rite radio actu*l fond* *ur le code
> mor** et les gar*es d'ecoute* sera rem*lace pa* le **steme mon*ial de
> detre**e et de se**rite en mer (SMDSM), de *er fevrier, 19**.

Yup, but now you are using a different coding scheme. French vs English.
A french cw op would probably have no problem with that, no disageement there.
>
> (My apologies for the lack of accents).
>
> An English speaking operator would be at a disadvantage because he would
> not be able to fill-in the missing letters.  No such concern when a
> digital mode is used.

Wrong, If that were sent using rtty, or AMTOR, I still wouldn't understand Fre
nch.....
But, the decoders would have correctly recover the information that was inputt
ed on the
transmitting end, I don't argue that at all.
>
> >3) Hurricane Andrew has just blasted through. You manage to
> >save most of your equipment, but only have one storage battery
> >and a small solar panel to charge it.
> >
> >Do you operate cw with a straight key or bug, or run
> >your computer, tnc, and a printer??
> >
> >Which system is more energy efficient?
> >
>
> More to the point, which, under these circumstances is more likely to
> get through?

Not the point of argument presented......

> >4) Not difficult enough yet.
> >Let's go back to the hurricane, this time, only your tranceiver and
> >emergency power are available. Your mic is in a puddle, ruined,
> >as is your computer. Your TNC powers up, but you can't tell anything
> >else. Your cw key is also missing. So now what. Do you sit on your
> >duff complaining that you can't communicate, or do you fashion a key
> >out of scrap metal and get on the air?
> >
> >Which system is more robust now??
>
> Fair enough.  You've been able to dry out your computer and find that it
> works just fine and the multi-mode controller is operaable.  But because
> you sustained a head injury, you are deaf.  Which system is more robust
> now?


AHA, see, now YOU have crafted an argument that FORCES a specific result!
>
> We can go on and on with these silly little scenarios until we go blue in
> the face, it still doesn't make it any the less true that Morse code
> communciations is not as efficient as digital communciations.

They are not silly at all, all of them were carefully crafted to FORCE a speci
fic result.
Just as the repondants did with the tehnical point they made!

> >
> >5) Add to that the fact that cw is the ONLY digital mode that can be
> >copied both by machine and by hand makes it pretty damned versitile.
> >Let's see you copy CLOVER by hand....
> >
>
> or let's see if Burke can send his picture on CW...

Not the point of the argument.......


> They are about the same now.
>
> Can CLOVER operate in a
> >net or roundtable mode??
>
> Better still, Clover, amtor, and pactor BBSs are installed and
> scanning and listening throughout the amateur allocations.  This means
> that the chances of contacting a board are increased because they are
> continually scanning a number of frequencies in different bands.

But that is not inherant in the format of the mode. That capability id being d
erived
from another source.

> Furthermore, there is no need to wait for a net in order to pass the
> traffic, it can be passed immediately upon linking with with a BBS.
> Moreover, increasing number of the the BBSs have VHF Packet/e-mail
> gateways, further enhancing their capabilities.
>
> >Can this be a measure of efficiency??
> >
> More to the point, it is much more effective.

Again, that wasn't the point of the argument.
To answer you question, sure.
>
>
>
> >Further, if you would have
> >bothered to read the attached survey, it was made quite clear that this was
 NOT
> >a technical survey, but rather one of observation. It would have
> >served absolutely no purpose to run on for pages about symbol rate,
> >encoding/decoding techniques, link margins, etc.
> >
>
> It was Burke who made the technical claims of the superiority of Morse
> code, not I.  My contention is that he doesn't know what he is talking
> about and there is no documentation to support his assumptions.

I DID NOT MAKE THE TECHNICAL CALIMS, I REPORTED THEM AND THEY WERE CORRECT
IN METHOD USED TO CONSTRAIN THEM!
>
>
> No I am not.  The published results in no way reflect the amateur
> community.  I would be more please if Burke would include such a
> statement and that his contention that Morse code is superior to all
> other available modes is seemingly based on so narrow a parameter, it is
> misleading in the extreme.

If you would go back and actually READ the purpose of the paper, yes, it was.
All of the other demograpic data was window dressing, it could have all been l
eft out
and NOT affected the purpose of the paper.
>

>
> I just did and will continue to do so.

And you continue to make incorrect statements. You have continuously reported
that
the technical comments in the paper are mine, THEY ARE NOT.

You failed to see that the technical argument was clearly structured in such a
 way as to
FORCE a given result.

You are making arguments about statistics without understanding the
purpose of the paper.

You are making comments about the randomness of the survey with criteria
other than those which fit the purpose of the paper.

You are also assuming that I am in favor of keeping the morse code
testing requirement, when in fact, you have absolutely no idea what my
position is on that. You continue to base that assumption on the
repondants arguments.

You have so far not demonstrated any technical capability of your own, whereas
I have already mathmatecally proven the repondants argument based on
THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT ARGUMENT. Therefore, you arguments on technical terms h
as no
merit.

> Regards,

Bruce, WB4YUC
Please ignore the garbage below, it is to overcome the assinine requirement
that someone put on our system that there be more new text than
quoted before the system will post......
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From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:49 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Results of a CW Survey
Date: 17 May 1996 15:24:09 GMT
Message-ID: <4ni5mp$[e-mail]>
References: <4nfh30$epq$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
Bruce Burke  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Peter Coffee AC6EN wrote:
>>
>> Bruce, WB4YUC, wrote:
>>
>>  > As for those who think these were 54 self-selected replies??
>>  > Self-selected?  How the hell do you draw that conclusion?  What
>>  > makes YOU qualified to draw such conclusions?  That was all the
>>  > response I got.
>>
>> Bruce, the term "self-selected" does not mean that you ignored some
>> fraction of the replies.  It means that the respondents were people
>> who chose to respond, not a random sample or a constructed representative
>> sample of the ham population.  This means that the sample is likely to
>> be drawn, disproportionately, from the tails of the bell curve -- that is,
>> from the small fraction of hams with strong opinions on one side of the
>> issue or the other, in addition to the bias introduced by the means by
>> which the survey was administered.  "Bias" in the technical sense of the
>> term, not meant to suggest any deliberate slanting of the results.
>>
>> You did qualify your report of your results.  Anyone who flames you for
>> the conclusions, ignoring your own qualification of their value, just
>> proves that most people won't read.
>
>
>Thanks Peter,
>
>I think most folks either skipped the intro or misread it.

I read it, and I still had a problem with the "conclusions" in the
survey.  The problem with the conclusions is that they relate the
various arguments with the author's notion of what is correct.

>All the demographic data is just window dressing and actually could have
>been left out without affecting the purpose of the paper in any way.

Actually, all the demographic data *could* have been used to relate
the respondents to the general population.

>In truth all methods of polling are self-selected. No one is
>forced to take part in any survey. As for mine, the target audience
>was missed. I was seeking ALL U.S. amateurs. In that regard, I couldn't
>help but have a random sampling.

One more time - you don't have a random sampling.  You have responses
from people that elected to respond.  You didn't compare the characteristics
of your respondents with the general amateur population, so you can
have no idea if your respondents represent even a random sampling of
people based on age and license class, much less gender, income
bracket, etc.

The idea of selecting respondents for a survey is to make sure your
responses represent a truly random sampling of the desired target
group.

--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are mine and should *
 * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as     *
 * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.          *



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:50 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RUMOR ABOUT IARU POSITION NOT TRUE
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:39:24 EST
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

There is a rumor that was apparently accepted as fact by at least one
newsletter publisher that the International Amateur Radio Union (IARU) has
adopted a position that supports eliminating the S25 international Morse Code
requirement.  THIS IS NOT TRUE!!!

In his e-mail message to me on Monday, May 13, 1996, IARU President Richard
L. Baldwin, W1RU, stated:

"The IARU has not taken any position with regard to changes that
might be made at WRC-99.  I formed an ad-hoc committee to
study S25 and to eventually come up with a recommendation as
to what the IARU position at WRC-99 might be.  That committee
has circulated a discussion paper, a paper which has gone to IARU
member societies, to the IARU regional organizations, and to a few
individuals.  We are still in the discussion stage, and will be for at least a

year, perhaps longer.    We have to allow time for input from all three
regional organizations.  The IARU Administrative Council awaits a
recommendation from that committee, the Future of the Amateur Service
Committee (FASC) before adopting a policy.  What you have heard is precisely
as youhave identified it -- a rumor."

Tony Stalls, K4KYO


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:51 1996
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Bosbach)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: SB221amp
Date: 9 May 1996 03:40:02 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4mrpei$[e-mail]>

Anyone have info on the performance specs for a SB221 linear Amp?  I am
looking at one ;now and would like to know what the original specs were.
Tnx.   KG5BR  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:51 1996
From: [e-mail] (jerry wang)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Shareware: Learn/Practice CW
Date: 17 May 1996 10:04:05 GMT
Message-ID: <4nhiul$[e-mail]>

When I was learning CW, I had a hard time practicing by listening on my
radio.  So what I did is, I wrote a program on my computer that will
generate random CW sequences.  This program will run on any IBM compatible.
You can change the speed from 5 WPM to 40 WPM, and you practice alphabets,
numbers, punctuations.
This software is free for all to try out, but as with all Shareware, you
are encouraged to register if you continue to use it.
You can download it from http://www.csun.edu/~hbcsc274 and go to the
software link.  The program name is One-CW.

Thanks for reading.
Jerry Wang (KE6UUX)


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:52 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SOMETHING FOR NOTHING
Date: Tue, 14 May 96 15:48:22 GMT
Message-ID: <4nae3n$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

     [e-mail] wrote:

>My question is:   Do we want to change the code speed so more
>of us can use the HF bands?

No.  We only want trained operators on the HF bands.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:53 1996
From: Heather Goodwin <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: source for HW7 part
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 08:56:31 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I need to find a replacement audio amp chip (CA3035V1) for my HW7.  I
would prefer to find an original part (or suitable substitute) rather
than to build an additional board.  Does anyone know where I can find
such a part?  I have not had any luck tracking one down. Respond via
e-mail to: [e-mail]

tnx es 73


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:54 1996
From: [e-mail] (J.K.E.Colditz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: SSTV
Date: Thu, 09 May 96 10:05:13 GMT
Message-ID: <4msg0p$[e-mail]>
Keywords: SSTV

L.s.

 Message for all SSTV radio amateurs:

 Are you interested how your images have been received by an amateur listener?
From time to time I set the nicest images on my homepage, have a look!

http://www.tip.nl/users/hannes.colditz , especially my page .../sstv.htm

Happy txing and surfing


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:55 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (JKE Colditz)
Subject: SSTV
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Keywords: SSTV
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 22:42:24 GMT

L.s.

 Message for all SSTV radio amateurs:

 Are you interested how your images have been received by an amateur
listener?
From time to time I set the nicest images on my homepage, have a look!

http://www.tip.nl/users/hannes.colditz , especially my page .../sstv.htm

Happy txing and surfing



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:56 1996
From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Tech+ license upgrade
Date: Fri, 10 May 96 13:11:06 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4mqbf2$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Bart's reply is excellent.  I recently change my station address and included,
with the FCC 610 form, a letter stating my case (for me, that I had held the
license and call sign since June 1970).  I found this to be adequate for my
situation.

73 de WA3RKB
Stephan Anderman
Stillwater, NY
[e-mail]
ARRL ENY Section Bulletin Manager/PIC
ARRL Hudson Division Assistant Director


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:57 1996
From: [e-mail]    (Roger J. Buffington; AB6WR)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Tech+ license upgrade
Date: 11 May 1996 15:37:08 GMT
Message-ID: <4n2c74$[e-mail]>
References: <4mqbf2$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Roger J. Buffington)

In <[e-mail]>, Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Bart's reply is excellent.  I recently change my station address and included
,
>with the FCC 610 form, a letter stating my case (for me, that I had held the
>license and call sign since June 1970).  I found this to be adequate for my
>situation.

Yes, thanks to both of you.  I think what I'm going to try first is to send
in a 610 renewal notice, together with a copy of the CSCE indicating that
she passed the 5 wpm test, and ask for a renewal of the license as Tech+.
If this doesn't work I'm gonna have to track down the VEC and do it exactly
the way Bart suggested.

Thanks again!

Roger J. Buffington
AB6WR
USC Law School Class of '97

[e-mail]





From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:58 1996
From: "Bart Jahnke, KB9NM ARRL/VEC" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Tech+ license upgrade
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:09:16 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4mqbf2$[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

Roger J. Buffington wrote:
>
> About 3 years ago my YL passed her Tech+ test.  (Boy, was I ever suprised
> that she had learned the code!)  However, in those days the FCC did not
> differentiate on her license whether she was a no-code or a Tech +.  Does
> anyone know if it would be possible for her to renew her license and get
> the "Tech +" designation now, without having to retake the whole thing?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Roger J. Buffington
> AB6WR
> USC Law School Class of '97
>
> [e-mail]

Roger:

From February 14, 1991 until March 12, 1994, people who qualified for
a Tech Plus license at VEC-coordinated exams were added to a Tech Plus's
data base maintained by the VECs.  Then, when FCC created the real
Technician Plus license class in early 1994, the FCC took a download of
that data from the VECs' data base and added it to their own.  Some
people did fall though the cracks, but by and large it was successful.

I see that Debora still appears as a "Technician" in the FCC's data base.
 May I suggest that she contact the VEC who coordinated her test and ask
that VEC to communicate the correction to the VEC.  If it was ARRL, then
just contact me.

The VEC will need the test date and location, and may need a copy of her
CSCE (from that time).

If the correction is communicated to the FCC by the coordinating VEC,
that VEC can ask FCC to send her written confirmation of the correction
(in the form of a corrected hardcopy license).

73

-- Bart KB9NM

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From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:00:59 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: telepathy related editorial
Date: 14 May 1996 09:27:43 GMT
Message-ID: <4n9jmf$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Richard Nacamuli ([e-mail]) wrote:
:         Please pardon me if I, in the interest of world peace,
: trouble you one more time. I am writing in the hope, however
: small, that I might open a dialogue. It is abundantly clear to
: me that we are telepathic. It is equally clear that we are
: going to fight another world war. If we do, it will not be
: because nobody said what needed to be said.
:         Being telepathic, there must obviously be electromagnetic
: emissions of some sort from our brains. In an advanced a society
: as ours it would be a simple matter to detect them, be they radio
: frequency, microwave, millimeter, submillimeter, or whatever.
: Simple to detect, and impossible to avoid for, unless it is our
: intent to destroy half of our world in a nuclear war, it is
: impossible for us to progress very much beyond this point without
: doing so. In fact, we are likely to see continued regression as
: long as we continue to avoid doing so.
:         For stubborn people; some of the highlights of
:         World War III:
:         Mother Russia will elect herself a communist government
: with influence well into Europe. China will become quite the
: industrialized nation and will also become quite agressive.
: A sharp rise in fuel prices will cause a major economic collapse
: as we will not have developed a substitute for petroleum. The world
: will suddenly have 2 billion too-many people in it (including the
: billion too-many it already has). Russia will ally with China.
: Russia will invade Europe. China will invade Taiwan, S. Korea,
: Japan, and will either invade or attack Malaysia. Moslem Pakistan,
: with China's help, will be engaged in a nuclear conflict with
: Hindu India and will find both of their populations considerably
: reduced.
:         It also appears that the Hebrew race could quite possibly
: be annihilated. After being murdered in Europe, the Jews have
: concentrated in Israel. One thing that can be said for having a
: people in one place is that it makes it easy to kill them all.
: It is similar in the United States where Jews, blacks, hispanics,
: and gays are concentrated in cities eagerly awaiting Russian and
: Chinese warheads. It is unlikely that the United States could
: do much to help the Israelis as the entire Arab world falls
: upon her. The U.S. will be fending off Russian submarine-
: launched missiles in the east and Chinese ICBM's in the west.
: It is not likely that she'll stop them all.
:         In what I feel is, frankly, quite likely an excersise
: in futility, I am attempting through some rather open talk to
: open a dialogue, a window if you will, and let some fresh air
: into an otherwise stagnant atmosphere. At the same time, I
: want to put a few things on the level on which they belong.
:         The Russians used to be into telepathy. What happened?
: Give up? I suggest that we turn our antennas from the sky for
: a moment and point them at our heads. We may be surprised by
: what we find. Then again, maybe we won't.


: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
: Richard L. Nacamuli                             "E per si muove"
: [e-mail]                                Galileo
: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

Richard, I just got back from a trip to Florida, where we held a
frequency counter up to Drew's head for over an hour. Nothing,
Nada, Zip..........

The Russians used to be into a lot of things. They ran out of
money.

Don't watch so much television, it's bad for your outlook on
life.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:00 1996
From: [e-mail] (ken.thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: telepathy related editorial
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 08:25:11
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

>Subject: telepathy related editorial

>Richard L. Nacamuli                             "E per si muove"
>[e-mail]                                Galileo

More like headcase@access


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:02 1996
From: Richard Nacamuli <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: telepathy related editorial
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 20:59:26 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4n9jmf$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: Richard Nacamuli <[e-mail]>

On 14 May 1996, Curtis D. Levin wrote:

> You cannot read someone elses mind. Period.

        *Three* periods ...

> Even the prophesies of biblical connotations include the standard
> disclaimer. One must work to ensure that these things are true. It's not
> only impossible to believe that they would have our fate predestinined,
> but that such a large assembly of humanity would work at it with such
> blind prejudice. Should we choose the route you have suggested, or accept
> what you are saying as fact, will we then be guilty of the perpetration of
> the incident ? Even in the book, it does say, "Young Men shall see
> visions.", however true or untrue they may be for the circumstance. If you
> haven't seen anything but this, then I don't think for a second that you
> are totally convinced yourself that this is an absolute. Dissenting
> opinions are always welcome.

        "You have grasped the kernel of the matter, Herr K."
                                        Kafka, The Trial

        Let me see if I can simplify the matter. I assert that our
brains or, more specifically, our brain cells emit electromagnetic
waves. The obvious reason for this assertion is to provide a basis
for neural radio communication; telepathy. Assuming no social bias
against it, the natural inclination would be to conduct a careful
search of the applicable spectrum for any signals of neural origin
and either prove it or disprove it; which is what I am attempting
to do.
        However, in the case of social antipathy, which would only
occur if the assertion was true, what position would the world
find itself in if not the one I described? You *must* realize that
the world could progress but so far without revealing such a fact.
It could not expect to "get around it" and leave it behind like
a cyst in the body of humanity, a "black-hole" in the body of
science, or cordon it off like the "Forbidden Zone" on the
Planet of the Apes. Any attempt to do so would result in a
gradual debilitation of civlization until, ultimately, the truth
manifests itself, the degree of violence proportional to that of
which it is resisted.
        And if our society should actively, willingly, and with
malice aforethought, thwart, conceal, or discourage any such
revelation, where would we be then? More importantly, who would
we be then? So, to answer your question, if it is true, your world
be guilty *regardless* of whether or not it is revealed.


>
> I should dare to suggest, "Perhaps something in a spread spectrum ?".
>

        Uncanny. May I even dare say, "line spectra".

> --
> _________________________________________________________________
> | Curtis D. Levin    | Team Os/2 | kd4zkw.ampr.org [44.98.2.22] |
> | [e-mail] ~~~~~~~~~~~~|       [e-mail]       |
> | http://www.shadow.net/~cdlevin | kd4zkw@ae4ej.#MIAFL.USA.NOAM |
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Warning!! This post may be inappropriate for .misc newsgroups.
>             Suitable discretion is advised.
>

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Richard L. Nacamuli                             "Eppur si muove"
[e-mail]                                Galileo
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From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:03 1996
From: [e-mail](Neil Hartman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: TOWER FOR SALE
Date: 16 May 1996 16:08:12 GMT
Message-ID: <4nfjtc$[e-mail]>

                                      FOR SALE


Long Island Area

HyGain-Telex HG-37, 37 foot tower with 10 foot galvanized mast and coax
arms. Perfect Condition.

Moving to Florida.....will unload tower for very reasonable price.

Please E-Mail direct to [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:03 1996
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian,rec.music.classical,rec.music.industrial,rec.music.progressive,rec.org.sca,rec.pets,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.skydiving,rec.sport.golf,rec.sport.pro-wrestling,rec.sport.skating.ice.figure,rec.sport.tennis,r
From: M. Hains <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Turn $5 into $5,000! Read and see how!
Message-ID: <01bb3d92.743a06a0$[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 10:28:42 GMT
Reply-To: [e-mail]
References: <4k6nog$[e-mail]> <4k7cdv$[e-mail]> <4kba89$[e-mail]> <4kda7r$[e-mail]>

What is this newsgroup about anyway?




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:04 1996
From: [e-mail] (Eugene Kang)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: UHF/microwave penetration thru concrete
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 12 May 96 12:06:29 GMT

Which penetrates concrete better, a 900MHz transmission or a 1.8GHz
transmission, assuming same conditions and power are the same?

Why?

thanks




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:05 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Chris Hinkle )
Subject: Re: UHF/microwave penetration thru concrete
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 07:03:08 GMT

Eugene Kang ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Which penetrates concrete better, a 900MHz transmission or a 1.8GHz
: transmission, assuming same conditions and power are the same?

: Why?

: thanks


You're not giving us much to go on here.  There are many factors that may
affect the propagation, such as... is this steel re-inforced (likely)? are
there hallways? what kind of material are the doors made of? are you in a
building trying to get a signal out? are there a lot of windows?

I'm not real familliar w/ cell phones, is this the point?

Ask yourself some questions, then try asking the question again.

At those frequencies, the characteristics are very similar.





From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:06 1996
From: [e-mail] (SnPCross)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: UHF/microwave penetration thru concrete
Date: 12 May 1996 16:46:13 -0400
Message-ID: <4n5iml$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (SnPCross)

Wow, good question.  The reason I'm replying to the group rather than to
the author is: I really don't know for sure.  I would *guess* the 900MHz
because of less atmospheric absorbtion.  As a general rule, concrete is an
execellent RF attenuator.  I wonder if the rebar spacing would be a
factor.


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:07 1996
From: William W Janssen <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: UHF/microwave penetration thru concrete
Date: 14 May 1996 07:03:30 GMT
Message-ID: <4n9b82$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Chris Hinkle ) wrote:
>Eugene Kang ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Which penetrates concrete better, a 900MHz transmission or a 1.8GHz
>: transmission, assuming same conditions and power are the same?
>
>: Why?
>
>: thanks
>
>
>You're not giving us much to go on here.  There are many factors that may
>affect the propagation, such as... is this steel re-inforced (likely)? are
>there hallways? what kind of material are the doors made of? are you in a
>building trying to get a signal out? are there a lot of windows?
>
>I'm not real familliar w/ cell phones, is this the point?
>
>Ask yourself some questions, then try asking the question again.
>
>At those frequencies, the characteristics are very similar.
>
>
>
I remember an article in a publication that I think was from
the IEEE. I remember a test of transmission from one floor to
another. As I remember the conclusion was that the signal went
down the hall, out the window, down the building. in the window,
down the hall and to the receiver. I wish I knew where that
article was.

Bill K7NOM



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:08 1996
From: [e-mail] (Randolph Kielich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls -- What gate???
Date: 9 May 1996 07:54:04 GMT
Message-ID: <4ms8as$[e-mail]>
References: <4kb91k$[e-mail]> <4mg9g3$[e-mail]>

: Jim, Gate one opens May 31, 1996. If you qualify for Gate one send
: $30.00 with your 610-V to:
: Federal Communications Commission
: Amateur Vanity Call Sign Request
: P. O. Box 358924
: Pittsburgh, PA 15251-5924


        Any idea when the 'Gate Two' program will open up?  We have all been
waiting for so long now.  Does this also mean we will actually receive the
calls that we apply for or are they going to hold the paper work until all
of the legal issues were resolved?

        Randy Kielich  N6WDV



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:09 1996
From: "Bart Jahnke, KB9NM ARRL/VEC" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls -- What gate???
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:14:56 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4kb91k$[e-mail]> <4mg9g3$[e-mail]> <4ms8as$[e-mail]>
To: Randolph Kielich <[e-mail]>

Randolph Kielich wrote:
>
> : Jim, Gate one opens May 31, 1996. If you qualify for Gate one send
> : $30.00 with your 610-V to:
> : Federal Communications Commission
> : Amateur Vanity Call Sign Request
> : P. O. Box 358924
> : Pittsburgh, PA 15251-5924
>
>         Any idea when the 'Gate Two' program will open up?  We have all been
> waiting for so long now.  Does this also mean we will actually receive the
> calls that we apply for or are they going to hold the paper work until all
> of the legal issues were resolved?
>
>         Randy Kielich  N6WDV

FCC has not said.  Gate two will no-doubt open after FCC finishes Gate 1, and
after they
get a good feeling of how Gate 1A is progressing.  The number of Gate 1 and 1A

requests will also have an effect.

Expect the Gate 2 date to probably be known sometime in the summer--watch W1AW
 Bulletins
for up-to-the-minute details.

The petitions for reconsideration (legal issues) have at this time all be addr
essed--and
are not presently causing any further delay.

73,

-- Bart KB9NM

===============================================================
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=  Bart J. Jahnke, KB9NM       |     Tel: [phone]        =
=  ARRL/VEC Manager            |     Fax: [phone]        =
=  225 Main St                 |     Internet: [e-mail]   =
=  Newington CT 06111 (USA)    |     MCI MAIL ID: 653-2312    =
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From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:10 1996
From: [e-mail] (Skid Schermerhorn, W1TTY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls application timing
Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 21:09:22 GMT
Message-ID: <4mtn2b$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Penn McClatchey) wrote:

>I've heard the FCC won't be accepting any Vanity applications
>before the appropriate gate is open.  Lets suppose I'm applying for
>my ex-Uncle's call under Gate 1.  The gate opens May 31, 1996.
>Does this mean they'll return my application unless I time
>it to arrive on or after May 31?  I find that hard to believe.

Seeing is believing!

        The note I got with my my wife's 610-V said:

"If your Form 610-V should arrive at the FCC Bank Contractor before
the Gate you are applying for has opened, your Form 610-V may be
significantly delayed - or may be returned to you without action."

        Also, in th FCC instructions for ITEM 7, Boxes 7A-7C it says:
"DO NOT FILE FORM 610-V UNTIL GATE 1 IS OPEN" and this is in BOLD
caps.


>I would assume that if you wait until the appropriate gate is
>announced and then mail your application that it will be
>accepted.  The May 31 date must be the first date that they
>will assign calls.  Thus, if I sent my application for gate 2
>now, it would be refused, but they would accept a gate 1 application.

        Nope, see above.


>Anyone know to the contrary?

>73 de Penn

>Penn M. McClatchey (Southern Aluminum Finishing Co, Atlanta, GA, USA)
>         ** Value truth and the speaking of it. **
>   "The secret of being a bore is to tell all." - Voltaire
>[e-mail]   http://www.saf.com    Radio: WB4DPT  Voice:404-355-1560,ext231
>--
>Penn M. McClatchey (Southern Aluminum Finishing Co, Atlanta, GA, USA)
>         ** Value truth and the speaking of it. **
>   "The secret of being a bore is to tell all." - Voltaire
>[e-mail]   http://www.saf.com    Radio: WB4DPT  Voice:404-355-1560,ext231

73


Skid Schermerhorn - W1TTY   http://www.control.com/~skid/skid
East Sandwich               http://www.control.com/~skid/church
Massachusetts  02537        http://www.control.com/~skid/bookmark




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:11 1996
From: [e-mail] (Burch Akin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls application timing
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:12:54 GMT
Message-ID: <4na7um$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Penn McClatchey) wrote:

>I've heard the FCC won't be accepting any Vanity applications
>before the appropriate gate is open.  Lets suppose I'm applying for
>my ex-Uncle's call under Gate 1.  The gate opens May 31, 1996.
>Does this mean they'll return my application unless I time
>it to arrive on or after May 31?  I find that hard to believe.

Why not just wait until May 31 to mail your application?  If the call
is your Uncle's old callsign, unless you have other relatives that are
hams, you are the only one who can get the callsign in Gate 1.  So if
you don't send it until June 10th I don't think it would make any
difference.

KE4ZQV



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:12 1996
From: "Bart Jahnke, KB9NM ARRL/VEC" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calls application timing
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 10:56:11 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4na7um$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Penn McClatchey wrote:
>
> Burch Akin ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : [e-mail] (Penn McClatchey) wrote:
>
> : >I've heard the FCC won't be accepting any Vanity applications
> : >before the appropriate gate is open.  Lets suppose I'm applying for
> : >my ex-Uncle's call under Gate 1.  The gate opens May 31, 1996.
> : >Does this mean they'll return my application unless I time
> : >it to arrive on or after May 31?  I find that hard to believe.
>
> : Why not just wait until May 31 to mail your application?  If the call
> : is your Uncle's old callsign, unless you have other relatives that are
> : hams, you are the only one who can get the callsign in Gate 1.
>
> Because they old ex-uncle was hypothetical.  My wish for a 4
> character call-sign is not.  I was trying to figure
> the timing for gate 2 (which I know isn't open yet.)
> Despite the reponses, I still find it hard to believe the FCC will
> return applications for a gate _once that gate is announced._
>
> 73 de Penn
> --
> Penn M. McClatchey (Southern Aluminum Finishing Co, Atlanta, GA, USA)
>          ** Value truth and the speaking of it. **
>    "The secret of being a bore is to tell all." - Voltaire
> [e-mail]   http://www.saf.com    Radio: WB4DPT  Voice:404-355-1560,ext231

Think of it as a FCC-hunting license.  FCC says you can't hunt until
opening day.

Besides, this avoids the problem of preferential treatment to those who
mailed too soon (to arrive before opening day) so that they could be the
crowd.

73,

===============================================================
=                              |            ARRL HQ           =
=  Bart J. Jahnke, KB9NM       |     Tel: [phone]        =
=  ARRL/VEC Manager            |     Fax: [phone]        =
=  225 Main St                 |     Internet: [e-mail]   =
=  Newington CT 06111 (USA)    |     MCI MAIL ID: 653-2312    =
=                              |                              =
===============================================================


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:13 1996
From: [e-mail] (Darrell kimball)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: variable capacitor
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 14:28:00 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

anyone know where I can buy a 3 section , 100pf variable capacitor?
Don't need high voltage rating.Thanks
E-mail. [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:14 1996
From: Gary Ross Hoffman <gary@carcs3>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Want to build Yagi
Date: 7 May 1996 18:09:35 GMT
Message-ID: <4mo3kv$[e-mail]>
References: <4md7om$[e-mail]>

My wife bought me the ARRL Handbook for Amateur Operators.
It had numerous Yagi designs, including a very simple
one for 2 meters. I cobbled one together from junk found
in my basement and was amazed to find that it actually
worked.
- Gary


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:15 1996
From: "Prof. Kenneth M. Sobel" <eekms>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: want tower
Date: 14 May 1996 13:13:52 GMT
Message-ID: <4na0ug$[e-mail]>

Does anyone know of a town in the New York City metro area where it is easy to
get a tower permit? Or does anyone know of a house for sale with a legal tower
in the New York City metro area?

Ken [e-mail] (email address contains number zero not
                                      letter oh)



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:16 1996
From: [e-mail] (Skid Schermerhorn, W1TTY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: WB2OTK, Scum Bag and Gutter Snipe
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 14:40:51 GMT
Message-ID: <4ni36h$[e-mail]>
References: <4nfokv$[e-mail]> <4ng5jb$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Dungeon Master) wrote:

>[e-mail] (Jim Overfelt) wrote:

>>What can be done to get Rich Whiten WB2OTK off the air. Every night he goes
up
>>and down the 75 meter band jamming.  Of course during the day he is on 14.31
3
>>stiring up trouble, cussing, jamming and in general making life miserable fo
r
>>everyone.

>You ought to see his email address on QRZ.

QRZ Callsign Database Search Results for "wb2otk"



  Callsign: WB2OTK
      Name: RICHARD L WHITEN
     Addr1: 343 TWO NOTCH TRL
     Addr2: EASLEY SC   29642
   Country: USA
     Class: General
 Effective: 27 Sep 1994
   Expires: 15 Oct 2001
      Born: 15 Feb 1946
     Email: [e-mail]

73






Skid Schermerhorn - W1TTY   http://www.control.com/~skid/skid
East Sandwich               http://www.control.com/~skid/church
Massachusetts  02537        http://www.control.com/~skid/bookmark




From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:17 1996
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: What hams think is intelligent
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 19:15:24 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

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From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:18 1996
From: [e-mail](michael silva)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: What hams think is intelligent
Date: 12 May 1996 06:18:18 GMT
Message-ID: <4n3vra$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> jabbers:

>HI HI HI
<and so on, and so on, and...>

Burt, you're such a card!

73 (well, no, never mind)
Mike, KK6GM



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:19 1996
From: Zack Lau <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What is a 900-1300 MHz. Ciculator?
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 10:08:21 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4mmki6$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

Anthony R. Gold wrote:
>
> In article <4mmki6$[e-mail]>
>            [e-mail] "Ronalee Fitch" writes:
>
> > And what is it used for.  I got one in a raffle and need to know
> > what it is, what it is used for, and what it is worth.
>
> It's a multi (usually 3) port device which transfers output from one port
> to the next port.  The direction is dependant on the orientation of the
> internal magnet, so look for some arrows marked on the top.  Often one of
> the three ports is terminated in dummy load and this makes it an isolator
> with good coupling one way and high attenuation in the reverse direction
> between the two remaining port connectors. These are often used to couple
> receivers and transmitters to the same antenna and protect the receiver.

How do you protect the receiver?  An isolator either allows
the receiver to be damaged with normal power flow or isolates
the receiver from the antenna, something no more effective than
putting in a resistive pad.

Now, you might think that if you hook up the receiver, transmitter,
and antenna to the proper terminals you can protect the receiver.
Except that the isolation is dependent on the third terminal
termination.  In other words, if your antenna breaks you fry the
receiver.  I discovered this while trying to build a high power
gunn transceiver with a circulator.

Zack KH6CP/1 [e-mail]

I'm still working on the "SOTA" 3 watt, .8 dB NF 10 GHz WBFM setup...
Need to design that image reject receiver...


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:20 1996
From: Jeff Firman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: What is CTCSS subaudible tones?
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:05:41 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>


Hi,

        I hope this is the right group to ask this question.  I came
across a subaudible tone encoder/decoder kit in the Ramsey catalog based
on the Motorola PL tone generator.  Apparently this is also known as
CTCSS and is used in amateur radio.

        I have an application for audio tone control that needs to be
used along with normal sound without the tone control signals being heard
by the listener.  Could someone tell me what CTCSS is or point me to a
FAQ, etc.

        I prefer a direct email response if possible since I am not a
regular reader of this newsgroup.

Thanks,

Jeff ([e-mail])


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:21 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Where do babies come from?
Date: 7 May 1996 09:52:20 GMT
Message-ID: <4mn6gk$[e-mail]>
References: <4lr9oh$[e-mail]> <4m4ql8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4mdhqh$[e-mail]> <4mfeqf$[e-mail]>

Scott Rosenfeld NF3I ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Will you suddenly shun your mom or dad, even though they're happy?

Shun 'em, no. Shoot 'em, maybe......

: Will you suddenly love your gay child any less, or make his or her
: life miserable trying to "cure" them of their "disease?"

Love 'em less, no. Drown 'em, maybe......

: Have fun thinking about that...back to CW...

73, Jim KH2D



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:22 1996
From: William W Janssen <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Re: WWV via modem (was No subject)
Date: 17 May 1996 06:58:37 GMT
Message-ID: <4nh82t$[e-mail]>
References: <4nglp8$[e-mail]> <4nhefr$[e-mail]>

For the program to set your clock by dialing NIST (WWV) get
in touch with the frequency and time division of NIST in
Boulder Colorado. I have used the program and it works very well.
The program is accurate to about 1/10 second but the computer
only sets to 1 second.

Bill K7NOM



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:22 1996
From: "Judson L. Ahern" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Re: WWV via modem (was No subject)
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:07:59 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4nglp8$[e-mail]> <4nhefr$[e-mail]>

Joel Rubin wrote:
>
> There is a kind of program called a "tardis" program which automatically
> adjusts your computer clock by contacting a time server through the 'net. Th
at
> should be available through www.tucows.net or www.cswapps.com.

I've been using Tardis for a few months, and it is slicker than snot on
a doorknob!

--
Jud Ahern  [e-mail]  Amateur Radio: KC5RI
Geology & Geophysics, U. of Oklahoma, Norman, OK 73019
"Opinions expressed here reflect the entire
 University, in one convenient location."


From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:24 1996
From: William W Janssen <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Re: WWV via modem (was No subject)
Date: 18 May 1996 09:13:14 GMT
Message-ID: <4nk4ba$[e-mail]>
References: <4nglp8$[e-mail]> <4nhefr$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

"Judson L. Ahern" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Joel Rubin wrote:
>>
>> There is a kind of program called a "tardis" program which automatically
>> adjusts your computer clock by contacting a time server through the 'net. T
hat
>> should be available through www.tucows.net or www.cswapps.com.
>
>I've been using Tardis for a few months, and it is slicker than snot on
>a doorknob!
>
>--
>Jud Ahern  [e-mail]  Amateur Radio: KC5RI
>Geology & Geophysics, U. of Oklahoma, Norman, OK 73019
>"Opinions expressed here reflect the entire
> University, in one convenient location."

The NIST program is called (by NIST) Automated Computer Time Service
(ACTS). The NIST program measures the time delay between the user
and the receiver, it then adjusts the sent time info so that the
received time is accurate to about 1/10 second.

Has anyone checked the accuracy of the time received from Tardis
program? I would be interested in how the transit time through the
Internet is determined.

The NIST program is (or was) available from NIST. I have a phone
number of 301 975 6776

Bill K7NOM



From [e-mail] Sun May 19 14:01:25 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: yaesu ft50 any mods?
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 16:50:59 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

looking for mods to the new 5t50 dual band handheld, particularly
expanding tx into 450-462Mhz


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:57:42 1996
From: Scott  Lincoln <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: whidbey.general,seattle.forsale.computers,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RE: 286, Old HD + DOS 6.22 ??
Date: 20 May 1996 02:12:10 GMT
Message-ID: <01bb4602.94b09520$[e-mail]>
References: <4n5v3v$[e-mail]>

Hi Dave ...

DOS 6.22 should work just fine, and you may even get a perfomance increase
by double-spacing the drive.  Good luck, and backup any data first!

Thanx,

     Scott

On Sunday, May 12, 1996, DAVE M . SCHERTZER wrote...
> Have an old IBM true Blue, 286 board w/20mb HD.
> Think'in of installing DOS 6.22 (presently DOS 3.0)
> on the HD. WaNt to "Double-Space" to get a 40mb




From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:57:43 1996
From: Jed Barton <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 440 repeater
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:31:32 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Hey there guys, I was wondering if any of you could shed some light on a
440 machine.  I have a 440 frequency that I am going to put a machine on.
My question is do any of you have suggestions on types of machines.  I am
looking for one that is fairly easy to get up and running and is relyable.
I don't want to be visiting the repeater sight every week, forget that.  I
have heard good things about Icom and Yasu.  Any help would be
appreciated.  73 de n1jbc



+---------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Jed Barton <[e-mail]>       Emerson College                |
| Phone: [phone]                 Undergraduate School           |
| Amateur call: n1jbc (general class)  Boston, Ma 02116               |
| "I may be blind, but my resume tells the whole story."              |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------+




From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:57:44 1996
Date: 17 May 1996 14:35:14 PST
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Big J)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4najh2$[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Antennas Look Good When They're Needed


"I think this is a tough sell.  You would have to convince the
"neighborhood that there's a reasonable possibility that electricity
"and both wired and cellular phones will all be down at the same
"time,
    .......................................
 YB During the 1994 quake in LA the ENTIRE phone system was
seriously overloaded. It was a day before I could call
from North Hollywood to Van Nuys, 5 miles away, and It took
over 3 days to get a phone call out to the east. for a
couple of hours even the police channels were overloaded.

 During the 1989 quake in San Francisco my relatives in
Minnesota could not communicate with san Jose over ANY
phone systems. But they reached me in LA and I reached
a ham about 5 miles away from San Jose and he was able
to call locally for me.  Up till the last 5 years or so
the only Ham stations that could handle phone traffic
were fixed (base) stations. With only about one ham for
about every 200 citezens, we have too FEW antennas up.
     .......................................

" and that for some reason, they or a neighbor would be unable
"to go for help.
     .......................................

  YB That would take way too long and 2 or 3 cars for each
emergency vehicle on the road would be impossible here in LA
As it is I think traffic would be totally gridlocked here if
something is not done about the congestion.
    .............................................
"  You would also have to convince them that the ham
"next door has full emergency capability,
   ..........................................
   YB  Every ham should be and make it known to the neighbors
beforehand so it is less necessary to,,  ** See Below

 .............................................
"canvass the neighborhood for emergencies in the event of a disaster,
"that he has the equipment to communicate with the appropriate
"emergency communications centers, and that those centers won't also be
"off the air in the face of a disaster this severe.
  ............................................

  YB Through relays and on the scene handheld and packet
relays, virtually no centers will be cut off long.
  ............................................
"  In addition, you
"would have to convince the ham's immedate neighbors that his antenna
"will functionally survive such a disaster, rather than simply falling
"on their house.
   ............................................
   YB Of course you must have a safe installation, and
demonstrate that the mobile antenna and dipoles will
continue to function as a backup, but with less reliablity
in poor conditions or restricted power and that a fixed
antenna is necessary. You may have to dispatch your mobile
station into the field.

   ...........................................
"Considering that most people in metroploitan areas where the
"restrictions are the most severe have no memory of such a disaster
"ever taking place, I don't know how you would do any of this.
  ............................................
 Id love to hear and discuss more ideas for neighborhood
 publicity and emergency planning on a more local level.
 (like everybody has their local ham just like they have
 a school or polling place.

    73 - JIM KE6YB, Big J here or Big-J @kincyb.com


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:57:45 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital
Subject: Anyone gone to Dayton Hamvention?
Date: 19 May 1996 17:33:06 GMT
Message-ID: <4nnm0i$[e-mail]>

We'd love to put something on our web site about the happenings at the Dayton
Hamvention. Wish we could go to.

Please send email to [e-mail], or visit our web site, shown below.

Ed, KF7VY

------------------------
Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
personal email to [e-mail]
Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm



From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:57:46 1996
From: ken wood <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Bike Rally in North Texas Area May 25
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:51:32 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Passing along for those in the North TX/Southern OK
area who might be interested:

MADD Bike Rally

      The annual Mothers Against Drunk Drivers Bike Rally will be this
Saturday, May 25th.  Around 800 riders are expected.  The ride will
start from the Isle DuBois Park on Lake Ray Roberts.  DCARA has again
been asked to provide communications for this event and we will need all
the help we can get.  The riders should be back to the park by noon,
where the police department will be serving hamburgers.  This will be a
fun event, so come out and get involved.
      Be at the park by 7:30 am.  Hank (KB5THB)will be at the entrance
to hand out entrance passes.  Talk in will be on the 146.92 repeater.
Call Hank (KB5THB) at 817-382-6340 or George (WA5HKW) at 817-382-2198
for additional details.

I talked to Hank and George and they both said they would love to have
any one from this or other clubs to participate.  I worked this event
last year and if I can answer any questions feel free to call me.

Regards,
Danny Carman (LTARC)

(Posted by Ken Wood, N5YAT)


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:57:47 1996
From: [e-mail] (Stanley Schroeder)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Budget 2m Packet?
Date: 17 May 1996 16:36:09 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4ni9tp$[e-mail]>

Does anybody know a cheap way to set up a packet station on 2 meter? I
already have a 386 computer, a 12v power supply, and a shack to put the
equipment (I'm working on making an antenna). I figured that for packet I
will probably only be using 1 or 2 frequencies, and that I probably don't
need any features like T-squelch or anything. Does anybody know of any
cheap 2 meter rigs with minimal features (and what considerations I need
to watch for in getting a unit for packet operation), and any cheap but
dependable TNCs?

Thanks !
Stan Schroeder
de KF6CND
r f b g 6 7 a @ p r o d i g y . c o m




From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:57:48 1996
From: [e-mail] (prvalko)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CALLSIGNS
Date: 21 May 1996 03:20:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4nrcp0$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

ROLAND STINER ([e-mail]) wrote:

: The group 3 callsign block was N2xxx right?i

        Yes.

: The FCC rule book did not mention if you "wanted" to change though.

        Well, you had the option of getting an "N" call or a standard
2x3 call.  You had to "want" and then apply for a 1x3.

: With the vanity callsign program you'll be able to pick out something
: else.

        Perhaps.  I think most good (1x2's) will be snapped up in the
first hours of gate two.  Too bad the FCC didn't think to let us folks
that never got a call-of-the-month to go first.

73! =paul= wb8zjl


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:57:49 1996
From: [e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore~)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Check out this article...
Date: 19 May 1996 07:39:08 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4nmj6s$[e-mail]>
References: <4ltu67$[e-mail]> <4ml81g$[e-mail]> <4mnsm8$[e-mail]> <4nabm7$[e-mail]>

In article <4nabm7$[e-mail]>,
Tom Randolph <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Your father's condition, while unfortunate, is still not a reason to elimnate
>motorcycle driver's or CW tests. The fact that you'd think it is, is quite
>frankly incredible!

What is incredible is that if you were empowered by the Texas
Dept. of Public Safety, you would deny my father a driver's
license for an automobile because he is incapable of passing
a motorcycle test. He's glad you're not in charge.

>>When are all you normally-blessed people going to stop repeating the lie
>>that "Anyone can learn to ride a motorcycle or do CW"?

>Maybe when people stop trying to drag us all down to the lowest common
>denominator.

IMO, That's not a sufficient reason for continued lies and myths.

How do you like my idea of awarding amateur radio licenses only
to individuals with EE degrees who can pass the MENSA entrance
IQ exam? That's a higher common denominator so you should
like it.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:57:50 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: Sun, 19 May 96 18:45:22 GMT
Message-ID: <4nnud1$[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nb9mb$[e-mail]> <4nc7vt$[e-mail]> <4nd67f$[e-mail]> <4nebhq$[e-mail]> <4niss6$[e-mail]> <4njh2o$[e-mail]> <4njmfi$[e-mail]> <4nljpo$[e-mail]> <4nm1df$[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:
>[e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:

>>Are you kidding?  Anyone who can't walk also can't pass a driver's
>>test without special equipment (if at all).

>Are YOU kidding?  <snip>  Only difference is that their vehicles
>are specially-equipped ...

No wonder you can't learn Morse.  ;)

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:57:51 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nd67f$[e-mail]> <4nfu8i$[e-mail]> <4ngtop$[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 21:47:23 GMT

Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Doubtful.  We should only be so fortunate as to have too many licensed
>amateurs on HF.  Instead, we have just the opposite problem...too few of
>us to insure our present allocations in the face of pressure from
>commercial interests.  Removing the CW initiation rite would go a long
>way towards increasing our numbers and assuring retention of our present
>frequency allocations.

Holy smokes, Drew!! Now I'm convinced that you do not own an HF rcvr.
"Too few" amateurs on HF? I wish that were the case.

Also, there is no "pressure from commercial interests" with regard to
our HF spectrum. In fact, we've gained spectrum over the last decade (the
12, 17, and 30 meter bands), and there is a current proposal to give us
even more (one proposed segment is close to 5 MHz, another is the 1750M
band).

So no need to increase the number of folks on HF - rest assured we're
doing a wonderful job in regard to the retention of that spectrum without
you.

>Translation: the CW barrier helps ensure that only individuals who are
>"one of us", "real hams", etc., who pass our little initiation rites will
>be allowed access to our private good 'ol boys club on HF.

Private? Not much privacy - there is only 3.75 megacycles available. But
you've passed the 5wpm test - you're free to operate on there. (If it
really were a private club do you think we'd let you come aboard?)

>Sorry, but the barriers are being knocked down.  Now that no-code Techs
>comprise the largest class of licensees, it's only a matter of time
>before the CW burden is lifted on HF as well.  Either voluntarily, or by
>litigation.  My guess is that the good 'ol boys will continue to resist
>and the issue will eventually be settled in the courts.

Well, I'll be there pointing out that the no-codes have over 97% of the
US amateur spectrum already available to them, which leaves under 3%
reserved for the coded licensees.

73 from the Central Pacific,
Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:57:55 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: 19 May 1996 23:27:22 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4noaoq$[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nb9mb$[e-mail]> <4nc7vt$[e-mail]> <4nd67f$[e-mail]> <4nebhq$[e-mail]> <4niss6$[e-mail]> <4njh2o$[e-mail]> <4njmfi$[e-mail]> <4nljpo$[e-mail]> <4nm1df$[e-mail]> <4nnud1$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:
>
>   [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:
>>[e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:
>
>>>Are you kidding?  Anyone who can't walk also can't pass a driver's
>>>test without special equipment (if at all).
>
>>Are YOU kidding?  <snip>  Only difference is that their vehicles
>>are specially-equipped ...
>
>No wonder you can't learn Morse.  ;)
>
>73,
>Jack  WB3U


Are YOU kidding?  Better check your callsign database before jumping to
such rash conclusions...believe it or not, I actually do hold a "coded"
license.

Of course, that totally flys in the face of the erroneous assumptions of
you old folks that anyone who DARES to oppose mandatory CW testing and is
in favor of abolishing the tests has simply GOT to be one of those awful,
horrible, lazy, responsible-for-everything-that's-wrong-with-ham-radio-
today no-coders, right?

Reality check: It simply ain't so.


-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM





From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:57:56 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 07:57:06 GMT
Message-ID: <4nk351$[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nb9mb$[e-mail]> <4nc7vt$[e-mail]> <4nd67f$[e-mail]> <4nebhq$[e-mail]> <4niss6$[e-mail]> <4njh2o$[e-mail]> <4njmfi$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:

>Unlike CW, however, there are no mandatory exams which cover walking
>proficiency.

>-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
> KF4DDM

Drew, Drew, Drew, what *are* we gonna do with you ??
If dead brain cells were dollar bills, you'd be a millionare.
The are no *mandatory* test for ham tickets.  The radio
police *are not* going to come and drag you away from
the computer keyboard some nite and take you to a
VE exam. I'm starting to worry about you, your tape recorder
is stuck on continuous replay and your mom can't get
you out of the basement away from the computer long
enuff to get you any fresh air anymore.

So, before you get too far gone, I thought I'd do you
a favor. Other countries have different systems for
passing out ham tickets - some countries don't have
*any* tests, you just apply for a license and they give
you one. I have a friend over in France, and it just
so happens that he works for the Telecommunications
Bureau. I called him the other nite and told him about
you, explained your burning desire to get on HF but
since you've been in the basement typing so long
you were incapable of passing a U.S. test.  He is
a very compasionate fellow, and he really felt sorry
for you, so he decided he would issue you a French
callsign so that you can get on HF with the rest of
the boys you idolize so much.  Get out your pencil
and paper and write this down. Congratulations,
Drew, your new callsign is:

Foxtrot Zero Oscar Lima

and since the U.S. has a reciprocal agreement
with France, you can start using it right away.  From
now on just sign your call as:

F0OL/W4

Have fun on HF Drew, you really earned it.  Please
be careful not to fall off the roof while you are putting
up your new HF antennas.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:57:57 1996
From: [e-mail] (robert bowman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: 20 May 1996 15:37:01 GMT
Message-ID: <4nq3it$[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) s
ays:
>
>How much RF theory could you learn in 15 minutes per day over a couple
>of weeks?

this discussion wouldn't be occupying so much bandwidth if this was all
the work it takes. for some people, i am sure its true. for the rest of
us, getting up to 13 wpm is more like an hour a day for months.

73 de kj7xu


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:57:58 1996
From: [e-mail](Glenn Sparks)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: 20 May 1996 16:37:08 GMT
Message-ID: <4nq73k$[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4nq3it$[e-mail]>

Can you honestly state that you have tried 15 minutes twice a day for 3
weeks and failed the code test?

In <4nq3it$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (robert bowman)
writes:
>
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey
Herman) says:
>>
>>How much RF theory could you learn in 15 minutes per day over a
couple
>>of weeks?
>
>this discussion wouldn't be occupying so much bandwidth if this was
all
>the work it takes. for some people, i am sure its true. for the rest
of
>us, getting up to 13 wpm is more like an hour a day for months.
>
>73 de kj7xu



From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:57:59 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: 19 May 1996 02:35:27 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4nm1df$[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nb9mb$[e-mail]> <4nc7vt$[e-mail]> <4nd67f$[e-mail]> <4nebhq$[e-mail]> <4niss6$[e-mail]> <4njh2o$[e-mail]> <4njmfi$[e-mail]> <4nljpo$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:
>
>   [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:
>
>>Unlike CW, however, there are no mandatory exams which cover walking
>>proficiency.
>
>Are you kidding?  Anyone who can't walk also can't pass a driver's
>test without special equipment (if at all).

Are YOU kidding?  Tell that to the thousands of disabled individuals in
this country who have lost one or more of their legs, and yet hold valid
driver's licenses which allow them to operate a motor vehicle like
everybody else.  Only difference is that their vehicles are specially-
equipped with hand controls and, most often, with wheelchair lifts as
well.

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM




From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:00 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nm1df$[e-mail]> <4nnud1$[e-mail]> <4noaoq$[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 01:52:10 GMT

Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Are YOU kidding?  Better check your callsign database before jumping to
>such rash conclusions...believe it or not, I actually do hold a "coded"
>license.

Hi Drew, did you really provide one minute solid copy, or did you take
the multiple choice version of the code test? If the former, then
you can honestly say that your code speed meets the requirements of the
license you hold (which just verifies my belief that anyone with normal
faculties can learn the code). If the latter, then consider your license a
gift from this era of weakened requirements.

>Of course, that totally flys in the face of the erroneous assumptions of
>you old folks that anyone who DARES to oppose mandatory CW testing and is
>in favor of abolishing the tests has simply GOT to be one of those awful,
>horrible, lazy, responsible-for-everything-that's-wrong-with-ham-radio-
>today no-coders, right?

Nope. Gary, Dana, and others who are coded are in favor of further reduction
of licensing requirements.

73 from balmy Hawaii,
Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:03 1996
From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: 20 May 1996 10:33:13 GMT
Message-ID: <4nphp9$[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nb9mb$[e-mail]> <4nc7vt$[e-mail]> <4ng2gh$[e-mail]> <4nisij$[e-mail]> <4nk5jr$[e-mail]> <4nljlv$[e-mail]>

WB3U ([e-mail]) wrote:
:    [e-mail] () wrote:

: >The "enemy" is the change in our society in North America which
: >prevents even well-educated people from getting decent-paying jobs,
: >which will ensure the ability to buy a home, raise a family, and live
: >the dream.  It's a whole other topic, but it isn't the fault of the
: >old geezers and farts.  It's automation, foreign importation,
: >corporate greed ....

: Shane, what you've written above has much in common with the beliefs
: that ushered in the Communist Revolution.  I agree with you on the
: subject of Morse, but claiming that free enterprise and capitalism
: are to blame for our deepening economic woes is demonstrably untrue.

: 73,
: Jack  WB3U

--Well, if you're going to blame it on the proliferation of welfare,
  unwed mothers, declining nuclear family, Republican Manifesto...
  that is crap.

  People do want to work, and to spend money to oil the sprockets of
  capitalism and free enterprise.  The jobs just are not there.  In
  Canada, REAL estimates place unemployment at +20%.

  It really isn't any wonder that the youth of North America are so
  seething with repressed anger.  With a bleak future for many, it
  also explains the increase in juvenile violence.

  Automation, foreign imports, and corporate greed are influencing and
  increasing unemployment to record levels.  All of these have increased
  dramatically in the last 15 years or so.  Automation is inevitable,
  importation is debatable, but corporate greed with government complicity
  in both of our nations is an evil, destructive choice being made, to
  the intense detriment of the standard of living of ordinary people.

  You're wrong about these things reflecting "Pinko" sympathies, but you
  could very well be right about a revolution. (No sedition being
  implied here.  Just an observation based on present events.)

  (Maybe that's why the Canadian Government just imposed draconian gun laws
   guaranteed to end private ownership here by century end.)

  (way off topic, I know, but important, I believe....

  shane












From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:06 1996
From: [e-mail] (Curtis D. Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: 17 May 1996 19:55:49 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nb9mb$[e-mail]> <4nc7vt$[e-mail]> <4nd67f$[e-mail]> <4nfu8i$[e-mail]> <4ngtop$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

On 17 May 1996 04:02:33 GMT, Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
|Sorry, but the barriers are being knocked down.  Now that no-code Techs
|comprise the largest class of licensees, it's only a matter of time
|before the CW burden is lifted on HF as well.  Either voluntarily, or by
|litigation.  My guess is that the good 'ol boys will continue to resist
|and the issue will eventually be settled in the courts.

Do you think the popularity of 2 meters and 440 has anything to do with
the swelling of the no-code tech licenses right now? How about the fact
that propagation is pretty low ? Maybe why noone is knocking down doors to
try and get on HF. Alot of the problem is, the lower you go, the more room
you require for an antenna. Could be one of the reasons, since alot of
younger hams are living in apts right now, too.

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From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:07 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bruce Kingsbeer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 20 May 96 11:36:41 -1200
References: <[e-mail]> <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4ne2cv$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

In <4ne2cv$[e-mail]> [e-mail](michael silva)
 writes:
>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (charles
>copeland) writes:

>>I just got my general three days ago (KC5LWF/AG) and think it
>>was a big waste of my time. I would much rather spent the time
>>learning electronic RF theory than learning an obselete technology.

I agree its a totally outdated technology but then Ham radio has
become an outdated hobby itself.

Ask yourselves why there are no young people interested in ham radio.

Who wants to spend hours learning CW so you can talk to a bunch of
old farts who's conversation skills end at the weather. Most young
people would rather use the Internet which offers new technology
and challenges and is progressive - something ham radio has not been
since about 1920. (with the exception of the goodwork done by a
minority of Hams in digital modes - AX25 etc).

Its a sad reality that ham radio is controlled by its ageing membership
who are clinging on to their past and are paranoid about change.
In 10 years ham radio will be of historic interest only with no
spectrum as this will be taken over by more pressing commercial
needs.

And yes I am a ham and I have no intention of wasting valuable
brain space with CW, I would rather learn another programming
langauge.


Just my views....

Regards...



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From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:08 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: Tue, 21 May 96 20:01:03 GMT
Message-ID: <4ntbjf$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4ne2cv$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4nsq94$[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:

>Oh, but they DO talk about more than the weather, Bruce.  Their
>subject matter also consists of such interesting topics as their
>health problems (geriatrics, colostomy bags, etc.), ...

Posts like this continue to show how little you know about HF.

>Certainly makes all the young would-be hams want to throw away
>their keyboards and modems and run right out to get a ham
>license.

You should either learn the subject you're discussing or find
another one.  On a scale of 1 to 10, your credibility is -1.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:11 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: Tue, 21 May 96 18:13:58 GMT
Message-ID: <4nt5an$[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nb9mb$[e-mail]> <4nc7vt$[e-mail]> <4nd67f$[e-mail]> <4nebhq$[e-mail]> <4niss6$[e-mail]> <4njh2o$[e-mail]> <4njmfi$[e-mail]> <4nljpo$[e-mail]> <4nm1df$[e-mail]> <4nnud1$[e-mail]> <4noaoq$[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:

>Are YOU kidding?  Better check your callsign database before
>jumping to such rash conclusions...believe it or not, I actually
>do hold a "coded" license.

You have no idea what conclusions I've reached.  One thing is
evident though; you want more than you've earned.

>Of course, that totally flys in the face of the erroneous
>assumptions of you old folks that anyone who DARES to oppose
>mandatory CW testing and is in favor of abolishing the tests has
>simply GOT to be one of those awful, horrible, lazy, responsible-
>for-everything-that's-wrong-with-ham-radio-today no-coders, right?

The only person making erroneous assumptions is you.  You should
spend more time listening and less time talking.  There are a
number of no-code proponents here who have full privelages.

>Reality check: It simply ain't so.

Nearly everything you've posted here has been wrong.  The above is
no exception.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:12 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: Tue, 21 May 96 20:01:19 GMT
Message-ID: <4ntbk0$[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4nq3it$[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (robert bowman) wrote:

>this discussion wouldn't be occupying so much bandwidth if this
>was all the work it takes. for some people, i am sure its true.
>for the rest of us, getting up to 13 wpm is more like an hour a
>day for months.

Assuming this is true, it has nothing to do with the validity
of the Morse requirement.  Your statement could be applied to
*anything* that has to be learned in order to acquire privelages.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:13 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: 21 May 1996 16:16:36 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4nsq94$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4ne2cv$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Bruce Kingsbeer) wrote:

>Who wants to spend hours learning CW so you can talk to a bunch of
>old farts who's conversation skills end at the weather.

Oh, but they DO talk about more than the weather, Bruce.  Their subject
matter also consists of such interesting topics as their health problems
(geriatrics, colostomy bags, etc.), and usually a fair amount of whining
and moaning about the no-code license and how the FCC took away "their"
11-meter band to give to those scum CB'ers 38 years ago, etc.  Thrilling
stuff, no doubt!  Certainly makes all the young would-be hams want to
throw away their keyboards and modems and run right out to get a ham
license.


-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM




From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:14 1996
From: fiz <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 15:04:23 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nb9mb$[e-mail]> <4nc7vt$[e-mail]> <4ng2gh$[e-mail]>

Shawn Rutledge wrote:
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
> : --  Is CW outdated?
> :
> :     What, exactly, does outdated mean?  My dictionary defines it as:
> :     "old-fashioned".
> :
> :     So What?  A 1975 Ford Pickup Truck (or earlier year and make) is
> :     old-fashioned.  With its breaker-point ignition, lack of computer-
> : ...
> :     Canoes, sailboats, and bicycles are old-fashioned.  Yet, we use
> :     these things, and many other old-tech things in vast numbers.
> :
> :     Why?  Because these simpler inventions serve us, for specific
> :     purposes, BETTER than any new-tech device can.  True, some of these
> :     purposes are purely recreational, but some are not.  You can bike
> :     to work, save money, and decrease your risk of coronary, as many do.
> :     You can canoe in wild, unspoiled places and increase your enjoyment.
> :     A canoe is less costly, so your recreational dollar goes further.
> :
> :     CW is the bicycle, canoe, sailboat, motorcycle, and old reliable
> :     pickup truck of amateur radio communication.  Old-fashioned?
> :     Maybe... but, for specific purposes, indispensable.
>
> All this is true but irrelevant.  What we're talking about is your right
> as an American to use whatever means of transportation you find most
> convenient.  As opposed to being required to pilot a canoe successfully to
> get your driver's license.
>

My younger brother discovered his "right" to choose the most convenient form
of transportation was in reality only a "privilege".  About the only thing he
can choose from now is a canoe, a bike or foot :(

ttfn fiz (KG0YG)


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:15 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: 17 May 1996 21:54:27 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4nisij$[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nb9mb$[e-mail]> <4nc7vt$[e-mail]> <4ng2gh$[e-mail]>

>I expect this sort of bickering
>will never end until 1.) the FCC finally comes to its senses and 2.)
all
>of those of you who both remember these times and are too set in your
>ways to change DIE OFF.

And it's happening, even as we speak.  Every day, a few more of the most
adamant pro-coders, the ones that refuse to allow others into their "good
'ol boys" private club on HF, the ones who say "I had to learn it so you
do too", pass on to that great brass key in the sky.  As they go silent
key, more and more new, young, hams take their place...most of which have
no interest nor desire to bother with an antiquated mode of communication
like Morse.

It's just a matter of time.


-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:16 1996
From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: 22 May 1996 20:52:52 GMT
Message-ID: <4nvur4$[e-mail]>
References: <4nv5t0$[e-mail]>

>   [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) writes:
>
>  You want me to send you TAPES?  75m, 40m, 20m, 2m...take your pick!
>
>  -Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
>   KF4DDM

you have a point drew..except..when did 2m become part of what's considered th
e HF bands???


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:17 1996
From: [e-mail] (Mitchell Carson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,ti.rec.radio
Subject: Re: D/FW code practice?
Date: 21 May 1996 21:46:04 GMT
Message-ID: <4ntdis$[e-mail]>
References: <4meka1$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

<snippity-do-dah>

Ok, alright.  You've talked me into it Bil.  Now I wish I had bought that
TS-520 from Troy.  Oh well, hindsight is always 20:20 isn't it?  I'll
eventually erect that tower (thanks a mil Troy) and acquire a rig.

73,
Mitchell Carson, KC5MKW         1985 Ford Escort Diesel (AKA: The Camel).
Texas Instruments               280k on the odometer and still running (a new
                                record for Ford Escorts<IMHO>).  It looks awful
                                but hey, it averages 45 MPG and is useful in
                                warding off tail-gaiters!
                                <big smell-a-gram inserted here>.

Std. disclaimer:  I speak only for myself.

>
>Hey you TI'ers out there.... Troy, Mitchell, & cast of several, working on
>General class - let's bag some QSO's!
>
>73,
>Bil Morrison, KK5AO            1979 Yamaha XS750SF (Vroom)
>Texas Instruments               1976 Yamaha RD250 (Wing-ding)
>Email: [e-mail]
>"Everything I like is either illegal, immoral, or fattening".
>Std. disclaimer: TI doesn't speak for me, I don't speak for them



From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:18 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ben Klausner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Does anyone answer e-mail at the ARRL?
Date: 18 May 1996 17:29:32 -0500
Distribution: usa
Message-ID: <4nlj0c$[e-mail]>

 Does anyone answer the e-mail at ARRL HQ? I was looking on their web page
 for info on a US ham operating overseas, and couldn't find any. So I sent
 e-mail to two different addresses listed on the page, and after a week have
 gotten no responses. Are they all out to lunch?

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From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:19 1996
From: [e-mail](Jim Lowman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Does anyone answer e-mail at the ARRL?
Date: 21 May 1996 16:25:38 GMT
Message-ID: <4nsqq2$[e-mail]>
References: <4nlj0c$[e-mail]> <4nqnnc$[e-mail]>

Not to put a negative spin on this thread, but my experience was
otherwise, when I e-mailed HQ to ask why our Field Day results from
last year were not included in QST.

Ed Hare was kind enough to forward my request to the contest manager
(I had replied to one of Ed's interesting posts to usenet) but I never
received any acknowledgement to my original request, or two follow-ups.

It wasn't until my Division Director raised hell with HQ that I
received any reply, and then it was the very next day.

Never did get much of an answer, so I can only assume that the
paperwork was lost in the mail.  Lesson to be learned, since I'm FD
chairman for our club this year - no more USPS!

73 de Jim - KF6CR



From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:20 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Drew's Work Ethic (was: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4n52vt$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 21:18:17 GMT

>In article <[e-mail]>, Andrew Falcone <afal
[e-mail]> writes:
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> +                                                      +
>> +    THIS NEWSGROUP IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF AN ENEMA   +
>> +                                                      +
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Let's see - are you posting from ukans.edu or grfn.org? Or are you trying
to hide the ukans.edu address by manually inserting the grnf.org address?



From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:21 1996
From: [e-mail] (Scott Rosenfeld NF3I)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Drew, Chris, and Burt together in one place!
Date: 20 May 1996 17:06:27 GMT
Message-ID: <4nq8qj$[e-mail]>

Could you imagine it?  Drew, Chris, and Burt together in one
place, allowed to just battle it out in a grudge match to
the death?  Chris and Drew fighting with one another, Burt
telling them all the while why they're so unbeliavably boring
amateurs...

To all of you who see fit to have your fights in public,
thanks for being so considerate of everyone else in the world.
Your spiteful and usualy meanigless posts are an embarassment
to the amateur community.  May the rest of your psyches not
be so terribly troubled.


How ugly or beautiful would this be to watch?  OH YEAH, we can
watch it now...
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From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:22 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Drew, Chris, and Burt together in one place!
Date: 20 May 1996 17:36:59 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4nqajr$[e-mail]>
References: <4nq8qj$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Scott Rosenfeld NF3I) wrote:
>
>Could you imagine it?  Drew, Chris, and Burt together in one
>place, allowed to just battle it out in a grudge match to
>the death?  Chris and Drew fighting with one another, Burt
>telling them all the while why they're so unbeliavably boring
>amateurs...


What a great idea!  Let's put it on Pay-Per-View and make some money!


>To all of you who see fit to have your fights in public,
>thanks for being so considerate of everyone else in the world.

You're quite welcome.  Glad you're enjoying the show.


>Your spiteful and usualy meanigless posts are an embarassment
>to the amateur community.  May the rest of your psyches not
>be so terribly troubled.

Uh, gee...thanks (I think)


>How ugly or beautiful would this be to watch?  OH YEAH, we can
>watch it now...

Consider yourself fortunate!  In fact, look at it as free entertainment.
If we were on Pay-Per-View, you'd be paying $29.95!


-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM





From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:23 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Enough already (was Re: No CODE No CW on HF)
Date: 20 May 1996 00:15:55 GMT
Message-ID: <4nodjr$[e-mail]>
References: <4n3u9b$[e-mail]> <4nncfu$[e-mail]> <4nnudb$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
Ken Bessler (KG0WX) <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Drew Durigan wrote:
>>
>> [e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:
>> >
>> >   Gareth Crispell <[e-mail]> wrote:

[inflammatory crap deleted]

[more inflammatory crap deleted]

[yet more inflammatory crap deleted]

I don't care if Drew and Chris and Jack and Ken and Steve and Jim and
so on want to act like 9 year old kids tossing inane insults around
so on... hey, that's your right.  But it isn't amateur radio (at least
I pray it isn't) and it tends to stir up more crap and, sooner or later,
it has a negative effect on the newsgroup that even a killfile won't
fix.


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 * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as     *
 * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.          *



From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:24 1996
From: [e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore~)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Enough already (was Re: No CODE No CW on HF)
Date: 21 May 1996 20:17:47 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4nt8db$[e-mail]>
References: <4n3u9b$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4nodjr$[e-mail]> <4nsjsk$[e-mail]>

In article <4nsjsk$[e-mail]>, Edward Lawrence  <eal> wrote:

>Until you do, why don't you just email
>each other?  The rest of us really don't want to hear your whining.

An improvement would be to take all these CW/Morse discussions over to
r.r.a.policy which was created to offload r.r.a.misc from such.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:25 1996
From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Enough already (was Re: No CODE No CW on HF)
Date: 21 May 1996 21:29:15 GMT
Message-ID: <4ntcjb$[e-mail]>
References: <4nt5jp$[e-mail]>

>   [e-mail] (WB3U) writes:
>     Edward Lawrence <eal> wrote:
>
>  >Add my name to the list of those who agree with Dana H. Myers.
>  >Until the rules are changed, why don't you cry-babies knuckle down
>  >and use your energy learning the code?  It really isn't that hard.
>  >Until you do, why don't you just email each other?  The rest of us
>  >really don't want to hear your whining.
>  >
>  >    Just my opinion, of course.    WA5SWD
>
>  Seconded.
>
>  73,
>  Jack  WB3U
>
>>>>
thirded

i still can't figure out how hf spectrum will be lost to commercial interests
unless cw is eliminated from testing???

i thought no code licenses were suppose to protect vhf/uhf spectrum???  wa hap
pen????

gess anyone over 30 is no an old phart??  funny i saw lots of code keys moving
 thru dayton with youngsters
attached...must be using them as paperweights.

speaking of dayton..saw many burt and drew types  funny, they all look, walk,
sound and act alike.  must be
sumthin genetic

73

...  _  .  ..._  .


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:26 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Creates New CB Service (FRS) on 462 MHz Band
Date: 19 May 1996 19:53:34 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4nnu7u$[e-mail]>
References: <4njh0g$[e-mail]> <4nk21p$[e-mail]> <4nncgp$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:
>
>   [e-mail] (Greg) wrote:
>
>>Oh great. Another CB Band. That is all we need. If it wasn't enough
>>that cb is near 10m now they gotta be near 70cm.
>
>It doesn't matter that CB is near 10M.  The injustice is that 11M
>was taken from the Amateur service and turned into a wasteland.
>

It's been what...38 years now, and you're STILL whining about 11-meters
being "taken" from amateurs?

WAAAH!!!


-Drew in Sunny Central Floirda-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:28 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Creates New CB Service (FRS) on 462 MHz Band
Date: 20 May 1996 05:35:57 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4np0bt$[e-mail]>
References: <4njh0g$[e-mail]> <4nk21p$[e-mail]> <4nncgp$[e-mail]> <4nnu7u$[e-mail]> <4nobt8$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:
>
>   [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:
>
>>It's been what...38 years now, and you're STILL whining about
>>11-meters being "taken" from amateurs?
>>
>>WAAAH!!!
>>
>>-Drew in Sunny Central Floirda-
>> KF4DDM
>
>Wrong target again, Drew.  I've never complained about not being
>able to use 11 meters; it was reallocated before I was even a ham.
>It's just a good reminder of the waste that results when government
>gives people something for nothing.


In your previous post, you lamented about how 11-meters was given to the
CB'ers all those years ago.  Sounds like whining to me.


>>Speaking of something for nothing, you're obviously in that category.

Really?  How so?



>How do you reconcile the similarity between your position and the
>people on Socialist Security that you're always complaining about?
>They're certainly entitled to more than you are.


Socialist Security (hey, I like that one!) is redistribution of wealth,
pure and simple.  As ridiculous as the code requirements are in this day
and age, at least they don't take money out of my pocket.  I fail to see
the similarity.


-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM




From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:29 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Creates New CB Service (FRS) on 462 MHz Band
Date: Tue, 21 May 96 18:13:33 GMT
Message-ID: <4nt59t$[e-mail]>
References: <4njh0g$[e-mail]> <4nk21p$[e-mail]> <4nncgp$[e-mail]> <4no3r8$[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (Gerard Foley) wrote:

>Before 11 meters, CB was a (licensed) service at 460-470 MHz.
>I spent some time putting a superregen receiver in a race car
>on this band.  After just one race the driver threw it out -- too
>much talk!

I never knew that.  Perhaps commercial interests were partly
responsible for the move to 27 MHz?  The F.C.C. does allocate
spectrum on the basis of commercially-available equipment.

>In case people don't remember, CB was licensed for many years
>on 11M.

That, I do remember.  Some people now want to do the same thing
to the Amateur service.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:30 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Ben Chambers)
Subject: FT-530 and 800 RX
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 16:49:19 -0500

Hi,

I recently got an FT-530 and successfully performed the mod. However, I
have been unable to receive some 800 material. Specifically, for the hell
of it I made a call on my cellphone and tried to hear it. I was unable to
receive the transmission. My friend has one and has no trouble receiving
anything in the 800 range, cellphones included. Any thoughts from
experienced FT-530 owners? Thanks.

-Ben Chambers

________________________________________________

<Ben Chambers> <[e-mail]>

PGP block, Info, Random thoguhts and much more available at:
http://www.conknet.com/~b_chambers



From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:31 1996
From: [e-mail] (Fredric J. Einstein)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FT-530 and 800 RX
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:40:49 GMT
Message-ID: <4nvjjp$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>


The first several series of 530's were able to receive 800 MHz.
However, when the FCC banned sales of radios that were able to receive
800 MHz, Yaesu changed either the E-Prom programming or removed some
components from the circuit board and effectively disabled 800 MHz.

FredE


[e-mail] (Ben Chambers) wrote:

>Hi,

>I recently got an FT-530 and successfully performed the mod. However, I
>have been unable to receive some 800 material. Specifically, for the hell
>of it I made a call on my cellphone and tried to hear it. I was unable to
>receive the transmission. My friend has one and has no trouble receiving
>anything in the 800 range, cellphones included. Any thoughts from
>experienced FT-530 owners? Thanks.

>-Ben Chambers

>________________________________________________

><Ben Chambers> <[e-mail]>

>PGP block, Info, Random thoguhts and much more available at:
>http://www.conknet.com/~b_chambers





From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:32 1996
From: "K. Bailey" <"kbailey "@ riverstyx.com>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 00:40:33 -0500
Message-ID: <4nmchm$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

WB3U wrote:
>    Andrew Falcone <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >BTW, it should be "fewer" guns instead of "less" guns. Your parents
> >forget to teach you grammer?
>
> Maybe you two are related. The word is "grammar".  ;)
> 73, Jack  WB3U


Perhaps his parents taught him grammar, but failed to teach spelling.






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From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:35 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (William Frey)
Subject: Re: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:21:55 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Distribution: na
References: <[e-mail]>

>
> [snip snip]
>
>
> You go to a gathering of hams, and see a lot of grey hair. So what?

   snip   snip

Quit complaining about those old fogies. After all, they are the ones that
keep the Morse code requirement alive with their technical logic about "I had
to suffer to get it and you young shitheads better pay your dues by learning
something useless that will give you access to some HF bands"

So venerate those grey hair folks since they have the money to pay for the
expensive HF toys. They also keep the image of exclusive snob hams alive. All
the more reason to keep those CB minded filthy no code techs from their
beloved HF bands. Of course the problem is that after they die, fewer people
use the HF bands so we lose them to a sale by the gov't to some company that
wants them badly.

So the bottom line is: Pay your SS dues happily and keep the impediments to a
renewed spirit in ham radio alive. I have never seen or heard such a divisive
issue as the Morse code debate. A house divided cannot stand and ham radio as
we know it today is surely to die off in the future.

Enjoy folks.
73s  Bill  KB8UNC     No code and proud of it
Engineer with a Master's degree but too dumb to learn Morse code.
Probably because I had to learn it in the Army (old draft days before your
time) and now I have a hatred for it since it was forced on me.
     :)


--
[e-mail] (William Frey)
Railnet BBS + 1 216 786 0476


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:36 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (William Frey)
Subject: Re: Greedy Geezers (was "Dying Off")
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:33:36 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Distribution: na
References: <4n9e6l$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] () writes:

> 7 <4n6cvi$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
> Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
> Distribution:
>
> :  [e-mail] wrote:
> : <[e-mail]> writes:
> :
> : >>courses every day while I fork over 15.3% of my hard-earned pay in order

> :
> : Well, let's see now, I started paying into SS in 1951....they took that mo
n
> : and if I am being paid compound interest all that time...Don't worry about
> : your hard earned pay coming may way in a few years.Don't start a generatio
n
> : war becauyse the generation your are moaning about still remember how a M-
1
> : and BAR work.
>
> --Let's not forget the M1-A1 T-Gun.  (Lot's of them in basements too.)
>
>

Not when the BATF or the FBI finds them for you with a raid on your home.
Never mind such silly thing as a second amendment.

>
>
>
>

>
>


--
[e-mail] (William Frey)
Railnet BBS + 1 216 786 0476


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:36 1996
From: [e-mail] (Stanley Schroeder)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham testing Pomona CA?
Date: 17 May 1996 16:38:49 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4nia2p$[e-mail]>

I convinced my friend to go for a no-code tech license, and was wondering
if anybody knew where there is a place where he can take his test. Is
there any testing group in the La Verne / Pomona / Claremont California
area?  (He lives close to the L.A. county fairgrounds / Cal. Poly Pomona.
)

Thanks !
Stan Schroeder
de KF6CND
r f b g 6 7 a @ p r o d i g y . c o m



From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:37 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Ben Chambers)
Subject: Re: Help! How do I do the FT-530 extend TX&RX mod??
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 16:45:45 -0500
References: <4ndjjp$[e-mail]>

In article <4ndjjp$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (KC8DML) wrote:

> I own a FT-530 and have heard many things about the modifications for it.
> I read numerous files that said to unsolder Jumper 13 for extended TX and
> RX. Or Jumper 15 for just extended RX. Is this correct??? One spot said I
> had to unsolder them both..... Is it true that it will have 800 RX
> capabilities???
>
> Any help would be appreciated..... Just email me or if you live in the
> Cleveland Area, give me a call.
>
> THX de KC8DML
> Rob McKrill
> Chardon, Ohio
> [phone]

Hey,

I recently got an FT-530 myself, and was able to do the mod easily. As it
turns out, if you purchased the radio recently, there will be a green wire
on the board, I don't remember which jumper it is but it doesn't matter,
it's the only wire on there and it's just a small loop. Cut it. Reset your
CPU, and you should be golden. And yes, 800 RX does work.

Enjoy,

Ben Chambers

________________________________________________

<Ben Chambers> <[e-mail]>

PGP block, Info, Random thoguhts and much more available at:
http://www.conknet.com/~b_chambers



From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:38 1996
From: Gary Ross Hoffman <gary@carcs3>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help! How do I do the FT-530 extend TX&RX mod??
Date: 21 May 1996 13:12:06 GMT
Message-ID: <4nsff6$[e-mail]>
References: 4ndjjp$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Re: The "green wire". You do not have to completely disassemble your FT-530.
Remove the battery. On the bottom of the unit there are four tiny screws.
Remove the screws and then the bottom plate. The "green wire" will be
plainly visible (it will be the ONLY wire visible).


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:39 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: HR&M LIVE on the Internet
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
From: Len Winkler <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 19:02:55 -0700

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RealAudio on the Internet, courtesy of radio station and show affiliate,
KBNP 1410AM, in Portland, Oregon. Check the signature below for all the
details. Click on the listen button on the page and wait about 1-2
minutes for the live feed to come on!

Also, this Sunday, 5/26/96, Dewayne Hendricks will be discussing the hot
new topic of spread spectrum use on the Ham Bands....Don't miss this
show.
--
Len Winkler, KB7LPW                           [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                                   [e-mail]
Phoenix, Az. 85068-9219
Ham Radio & More Show info at:
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From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:40 1996
From: [e-mail] (Carlos Orio Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: I need help about MS1000 scanner, please!!
Date: 21 May 1996 11:57:53 GMT
Message-ID: <4nsb41$[e-mail]>

        Hello folks, I need a copy of the User's Manual of the
        MS-1000 scanner by Nevada. I would be very pleased to receive
        this to my e-mail address ([e-mail]) if it's possible.
        In the case U don't have it in digital format, I will pay you
        the costs of the shipping whithout any problem.
        You can find me in your Call-Book: 96, EA4BDO.
                Thanks in advance. 73'
                        Carlos.


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:41 1996
From: John Thomas <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,uk.radio.amateur
Subject: Re: Info on IC-706
Date: 19 May 1996 11:36:57 GMT
Message-ID: <4nn14p$858$[e-mail]>
References: <4nbj8t$[e-mail]>

It's great - buy one

"A shack in a box"

Audio is a bit iffy but its a savage 100w o/p on 6 and gives a
good account with 10 on 2.  I'm only VHF approved so haven't used
the HF side in anger but its a damn good Rx apart from tinny
audio but an extensipn speaker does help.

All i use is a 2/70 colinear, 6m vertical 1/4 wave and G5RV for
HF Rx


Buy one!!

Jim G7NKS UK


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:42 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: KA9Q Copyright Question
Date: 19 May 1996 17:29:23 GMT
Message-ID: <4nnlpj$[e-mail]>
References: <4mqede$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>[e-mail] (Richard Matthias) wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>
>>I recently downloaded to source-code for the KA9Q package from the simtel
>>mirror. I want to use the protcol stacks from it in a package of my own sinc
e
>>the KA9Q code seems to me to be much easier to understand that other TCP/IP
>>code that I've read.
>
>>The question I want to know is, would I be allowed to lift the code for use
in
>>my own package? I know KA9Q is free and so is the source for it. The only
>>labelling I can find on the source is a short "Copyright (c) 1992 Phil Karn"
.
>>Most source-code tends to come with an additional file describing what you
can
>>and can't do with the code. Can I use it in a commercial product as long as
I
>>give credit to Phil Karn? Is its use restricted to non-commercial use? Is it
s
>>use forbade in all other packages???
>
>>If anyone knows the answer to this I'd appreciate knowing. I mean I'd hate t
o
>>step on anyones toes and if the code is not available for the use I want the
n
>>I know I can use the BSD code instead.
>
>Some of Phil's code has been licensed under the GPL license - grab a
>recent linux kernel and grep it.  Probably the AX.25 code, rather than
>the stack.
>
>I think Phil can be reached at '[e-mail]'
>
>>Thanks
>
>Good luck
>
>Bob

Hi Bob,
Actually, it's probably [e-mail] without the double 'LL'. From long
ago, I think his copyright was intended to prohibit the use of his source in
commercial software packages, although it may be used in applications that are

given away. But I'd sure check with him before proceding. If its got a
copyright notice, then he claims ownership to control the right of copying and

he deserves it for all the work he did.

73, Ed, KF7VY
>

--
------------------------
Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
personal email to [e-mail]
Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm



From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:43 1996
From: [e-mail] (prvalko)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ladies Home Journal slams HAMs
Date: 21 May 1996 04:09:34 GMT
Message-ID: <4nrflu$[e-mail]>


From the June 1996 Ladies' Home Journal, page 86 - Consumer News.

"Cordless Telephones -
 There is little you can do about static, except to report those who
 cause it--illegal airwave users, such as amateur radio stations--to the
 FCC."

My wife was kind enough to point out my, "illegal use of the airwaves." :-)

Perhaps a few letters KINDLY suggesting some form of retraction to the
LHJ email address:
                         [e-mail]

may enlighten them.  I'm sure a few words from YL subscribers to the
Journal would be helpful.

73! =paul= wb8zjl




From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:44 1996
From: Kevin Alfred Strom <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: LAMBDA:  Why the hysteria?
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:55:00 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4mt8hh$[e-mail]> <4n04ol$[e-mail]> <4n7cot$[e-mail]> <4nadg4$[e-mail]>

Brian Kantor wrote:
>
> In an earlier posting, one "Drew in Florida" suggested that he would
> derive pleasure from a tire iron, but seemed to lack the imagination
> as to how best to use it for maximum effect.
>
> Said tire iron would perhaps be best applied by him inserting it in his
> left ear, and driving it with a large mallet until it emerges from his
> right ear and pins his head to the ground.  The driving should continue
> until the driven end is flush with the scalp.
>
> His loss of brain function ensuing from this presumably pleasurable
> experience will in all likelyhood not be noticed (certainly not by
> those who know him from his postings on Usenet), but the resulting
> immobility will, one hopes, prevent him from reaching his keyboard
> to further spew his hatred and bigotry worldwide on this newsgroup.
>
> I believe this could be considered the Florida version of seppuku.
> And he will put himself out of our misery.  Honorably.
>
>         - Brian


Brian has given us a perfect example of tolerance, love, and liberalism
at work. He wants his adversary in a Usenet debate to be dead. Of course,
it's for our own good. He loves us all so much! Doesn't he?

73,


Kevin WB4AIO
--


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
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                  I speak only for myself:

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      http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/

     Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
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                The Finest in European Art:
      http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html

                   Patriotic Resistance:
                  http://www.natvan.com/
                  http://www.natall.com/


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:45 1996
From: [e-mail] (Abby Franquemont-Guillory)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Namespace Purity Considered Harmful (re: boatanchors)
Date: 21 May 1996 10:16:47 -0500
Message-ID: <4nsmov$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4nio7m$[e-mail]>

In article <4nio7m$[e-mail]>,
Jim Lowman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jon Bell) writes:
>>
>>There already is a place where people can (try to) create newsgroups
>>without worrying about namespace considerations:  the 'alt' hierarchy.
>
>True, there's less bureaucracy involved, but a lot of sites refuse to
>carry the alt.* hierarchy altogether.  Thus, there wouldn't be the
>desired propagation of the newsgroup(s).

So you don't worry that would happen to the Big 8 if it were to
become utterly unmanageable?  Much of the reason the Big 8 gets
the kind of propagation it does is because it is relatively
orderly, because concern is there for technical issues and stuff.
--
_________________________________________________________________________
Abby Franquemont-Guillory         "You're the Lord of Darkness? Big deal.
[e-mail]          What was your username again?"<clickety-click>
[e-mail]                            --Gary "Wolf" Barnes in a.s.r.
Administrative Staff, Tezcatlipoca Inc.            http://www.tezcat.com/


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:46 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steve MacGregor)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Namespace Purity Considered Harmful (re: boatanchors)
Date: 21 May 1996 15:47:01 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4nsohl$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Jene tajpis lastatempe Mark Hood:
| The whole namespace purity argument is becoming obsolete.  Newsgroup
| proponents should be allowed to name their groups whatever their
| constituents feel would best describe their identity.  If there is then a
| real need to aid users in figuring out what newsgroups would be interesting
| for them to visit, some enterprising business or industrious group of
| volunteers will undoubtably publish guides or develop search engines tuned
| to the current state of Usenet.

  True, true, true.  And in the case at hand, if the term "boatanchors"
is meaningful to radio amateurs and is a topic that has enough discussion
to warrent its own newsgroup, then it =belongs= in the newsgroup name.
The fact that someone disinterested in amateur radio doesn't know the
meaning of the term is irrelevant, since he can tell by the first few
parts of the name that he is not interested.

  Take, for example, <rec.games.board.ce>; if you're not interested in
board games, the fact that you don't know what "ce" refers to is not
important.  If you =are= interested, but don't know what it means, then
you are allowed to tune in for a while to find out that it's an
abbreviation for "Cosmic Encounter", the name of a particular board game,
or you can simply =guess= that it's a code for a particular game.

--
          ---------------------------------------------------------
               Whom are you going to call?  GRAMMAR BUSTERS!!!
          ---------------------------------------------------------



From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:47 1996
From: [e-mail](Jim Lowman)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Namespace Purity Considered Harmful (re: boatanchors)
Date: 17 May 1996 20:40:22 GMT
Message-ID: <4nio7m$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jon Bell) writes:
>
>There already is a place where people can (try to) create newsgroups
>without worrying about namespace considerations:  the 'alt' hierarchy.

True, there's less bureaucracy involved, but a lot of sites refuse to
carry the alt.* hierarchy altogether.  Thus, there wouldn't be the
desired propagation of the newsgroup(s).

73 de Jim - KF6CR



From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:48 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gateway)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NDN: Info-Hams Digest V96 #492
Date: 13 May 96 16:37:26 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Gateway)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NDN: Info-Hams Digest V96 #493
Date: 14 May 96 00:46:51 GMT
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NDN: Info-Hams Digest V96 #495
Date: 14 May 96 10:46:59 GMT
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NDN: Info-Hams Digest V96 #496
Date: 14 May 96 16:37:02 GMT
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NDN: Info-Hams Digest V96 #501
Date: 15 May 96 15:46:56 GMT
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NDN: Info-Hams Digest V96 #505
Date: 16 May 96 12:26:57 GMT
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NDN: Info-Hams Digest V96 #506
Date: 16 May 96 15:47:01 GMT
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NDN: Info-Hams Digest V96 #507
Date: 16 May 96 21:37:04 GMT
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NDN: Info-Hams Digest V96 #513
Date: 17 May 96 21:37:13 GMT
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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Date: 18 May 96 06:42:18 GMT
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NDN: Info-Hams Digest V96 #515
Date: 18 May 96 06:52:20 GMT
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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Date: 20 May 96 17:22:35 GMT
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NDN: Info-Hams Digest V96 #521
Date: 20 May 96 17:27:20 GMT
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From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:58 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gateway)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NDN: Info-Hams Digest V96 #524
Date: 20 May 96 18:17:10 GMT
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From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:58:59 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gateway)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NDN: Info-Hams Digest V96 #525
Date: 20 May 96 18:17:26 GMT
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From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:00 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gateway)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NDN: Info-Hams Digest V96 #527
Date: 20 May 96 18:22:38 GMT
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From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:01 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: No CODE No CW on HF
Date: 20 May 1996 05:40:53 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4np0l5$[e-mail]>
References: <4n3u9b$[e-mail]> <4nbldl$[e-mail]> <4nc6ck$[e-mail]> <4nl8v7$[e-mail]> <4nncfu$[e-mail]> <4nnudb$[e-mail]> <4nobtv$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:
>
>   [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:
>
>>Fortunately, FCC rules, and not your personal preferences on
>>what constitutes the "right kind of operator", determine
>>elligibility for an amateur radio license.
>
>Those F.C.C. rules are the reason you're not allowed on
>HF 'phone.  Fortunately.
>
>73,
>Jack  WB3U

Better get out that 'ol bandplan sheet again, Jack.  Last time I checked,
10-meters from 28.3-28.5 was most definitely an "HF 'phone" band.

Or don't us Tech-Plus guys count either, 'cause we only have 5WPM?  Are
we also not "real hams", like the no-coders?


-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM




From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:01 1996
From: ME <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NY -> VA -> GA
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:32:52 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

In Atlanta, try theese 145.47 146.67 145.29 442.675 146.76
Hope it helps


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:02 1996
From: [e-mail] (Darrell kimball)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: old call sign.
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 21:43:35 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Anyone know how to locate an old call sign of a deceased ham? FCC no
help, ARRL no help. The ham was Roderick Perry and he lived on Friend
St in Hingham Ma. around 1949,50. If anyone knew Rod or knows how to
find out what his call was, please let me know via E-Mail
([e-mail]) His nephew wants to get his call when gate
1 opens later this month.. Tnx.(N1AOY) I hope to get my old call
(W1TXX) back soon.


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:03 1996
From: [e-mail] (jeff griffin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: packet win95 program wanted
Date: Mon, 20 May 96 16:46:21 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Does anyone know of a shareware win95 packet program that works with a KPC-3
tnc. Thanks for reading this message.
Jeff KB2WQM


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:04 1996
From: [e-mail] (Victor V Voronkov)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: packet win95 program wanted
Date: 21 May 1996 11:57:51 GMT
Message-ID: <4nsb3v$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

jeff griffin ([e-mail]) wrote:
> Does anyone know of a shareware win95 packet program that works with a KPC-3

> tnc. Thanks for reading this message.
> Jeff KB2WQM

I'll be thankful for short report about using next Windows Packet
software.

Visual PacketPeT Lite - Terminal Software For All hardware TNCs!
Shareware - Download ftp://qrz.com./incoming/vpaket30.zip
---

Winax25 (TNC or Baycom modem under WIN95)
Latest Versions Of TNC Driver Softare Available From :           |
http://users.aol.com/g7jjf/
---

WinPack by G4IDE
ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming/
ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/ham/packet/terminal/winpack/
---

UPack by G4WFT
ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/ham/packet/terminal/upak401.zip
---

Some special soft for Kantronics TNC
kawin638.zip    Terminal software for a Kantronics TNC and MS Windows - KF0IA
kawinhlp.exe    Help file for KaWin
kmtrm130.zip    KAMTerm software for Kantronics controllers - N5IAL
---

check out ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/ham/packet/terminal/
pr4w16.exe      Packet for Windows 3.x v2.02(47)- OE8DJK
pr4w32.exe      Packet for Windows 95 v2.02(47)- OE8DJK
and other

---
73! de RX3DIN  Victor   http://www.stack.serpukhov.su/~victor/


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:05 1996
From: [e-mail] (Lyndon Nerenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Pending ve7tcp.ampr.org network outage
Date: 19 May 1996 18:15:23 -0700
Message-ID: <4noh3b$[e-mail]>


[ This is a copy of a message sent to all ve7tcp.ampr.org mailing
  list subscribers. ]

Our new T1 link has arrived -- a week earlier than we expected!

That was the *good* news ... :-)

Moving to the new link will require us to make some major changes to
our network. (Our == my ISP. I handle their network engineering.) The
T1 link is provided by a different network carrier, therefore switching
over requires that we renumber all the existing networks (and everything
connected to them). While we just went through this process with the
ve7tcp.ampr.org server a couple of weeks ago fairly painlessly, I don't
expect this one to go quite as smoothly, and it's quite possible that
the server will be unreachable for a couple of days.

Our current schedule has the cutover taking place this coming Wednesday.
This is not a firm date since the move is predicated on our new carrier
getting the network routing configured properly. We might bump it to
Thursday.

Once the server disappears it will be gone for at least four hours, and
possibly longer. During this time, please do NOT send "test" messages
to any of the mailing lists. I will send out an announcement when
everything is once again up and running.

When the system comes back you might find that you cannot connect to
it (via telnet, FTP, or the Web). This is due to an artifact of the
way the Internet domain name servers work. It will take up to a week
for the old nameserver information to expire. During that time your
system might not see the server's new Internet IP address, and instead
try connecting to the old address (which will no longer work). If that
happens you should contact your *local* system administrator and ask
them to reload the nameserver cache. This should flush the old data
out.

Incoming e-mail will not be effected by this change. While the server
is down it's incoming mail will be forwarded automatically to one of
several alternate hosts that will know how to reach the server at it's
new address. Again: don't send "test" messages to the lists.

If, after Wednesday, you want to check your Internet connectivity to
the new address, you can use the "ping" and "traceroute" utilities
provided on most UNIX systems. (If you run Windows, you're on your own :-)
The "finger" service will also be running almost immediately (most PeeCees
have a finger client). If you find that you cannot connect, check the
IP address you are trying to connect to. If it reports 206.12.240.9
you're trying to get to the old address, and should flush your nameserver
cache as described above. (I don't know yet what the new IP address will
be. If your system supports the 'nslookup', 'dig', or 'host' commands,
you can use those to query the nameservers for the new address.)

Finally, if we run into any *major* problems that will keep the server
down for more than a day, I will post an announcement to the
rec.radio.amateur.misc newsgroup.

--lyndon (looking forward to a QRO Internet connection!)


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:07 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tail name "boatanchors"?
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 20:06:17 -0700
Message-ID: <dragonsl-2105962006170001@192.0.2.1>
References: <[e-mail]> <dragonsl-1605960610310001@192.0.2.1> <[e-mail]> <dragonsl-2005961756320001@192.0.2.1> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey
Herman) wrote:

>
>I just wish someone would post the RFD so we can finally get to the CFV!
  Oh do you mean your -NOT- the group proponent then?  Or if you are do
you simply not understand how these things work?

--
Ralph Lindberg N7BSN           e-mail to [e-mail] (read daily)
RV and Camping FAQ <http://kendaco.telebyte.net/rlindber/rv/
They call it "Surf'n the Net" 'cause you can wipe out so easy


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:08 1996
From: [e-mail](Jim Lowman)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 19 May 1996 01:31:41 GMT
Message-ID: <4nltlt$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4njp9r$[e-mail]>

In <4njp9r$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Lrware) writes:

>Why would a newsgroup devoted to the restoring and
>collection of old radios (mainly mil surplus) belong in with
>the rest of the "ham" (amateur) groups at all?
>
>I love these old radios; own a bunch, but I'm not a ham,
>never have been.
>
>Whats wrong with rec.radio.boatanchors ?
>or rec.radio.milsurplus.tubes? Or rec.radio.firebottle.stuff?
>Inquiring minds want to know why so many people are so set
>on having both "boatanchors" and "amateur" in the newsgroup name.

Well, for rec.radio.boatanchors, probably nothing, as collecting
old radios is not necessarily limited to hams.  However, the original
proposal has it as rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors.  The *larger* issue
seems to be contention over the "boatanchors" term, as opposed to
"antique" or other generic terms.

There has been a similar argument over the need to create rec.radio.
amateur.swap, as hams don't always look outside of the
rec.radio.amateur.* hierarchy for rec.radio.swap, and continue to post
"for sale" ads in .misc and other groups in rec.radio.amateur.*.

73 de Jim - KF6CR



From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:09 1996
From: [e-mail](Jim Lowman)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 19 May 1996 01:47:17 GMT
Message-ID: <4nluj5$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4n8nat$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Henry van
Cleef) writes:

>I think that this notion that "only hams will used this proposed
>newsgroup" is far-fetched unless the charter specifically excludes
>non-hams from participation.  This would be a major change from the
>present mail list, which welcomes non-hams who have something to
>contribute or an interest in the topics discussed.
>
>I think if there is any "dog in the manger" attitude here it is coming
>across loud and clear as "non-hams get lost," even for those of us who
>are active participants in the existing structures.
>
>It is more than high time that a draft charter for this group be
posted,
>even if it has be be an informal posting to news.groups,
>rec.radio.amateur.misc, and not news.announce.newgroups----this debate
>has gone on for some time over a newsgroup whose basic purpose on
Usenet
>is an unknown.
>
>If I had to make an estimate from what I've seen over the name, I'd
>guess that the draft charter is going to make non-hams unwelcome in
the
>group.

Hank, I agree that it's time that the draft charter be put forward.  I
keep looking for it daily in news.groups, and am not sure what the
delay may be.

I disagree, however, that this group would exclude non-hams.  Part of
the problem with the newsgroup creation process is that you have those
out there who would vote against the new group, and encourage others to
do so, yet they probably have no intention of ever using the proposed
newsgroup.  When creating a new group, there's usually enough internal
strife and votes against from within the group itself, without having
those with no vested interest in the group doing so.

73 de Jim - KF6CR




From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:10 1996
From: [e-mail] (Michael Crestohl)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 21 May 1996 06:40:22 -0400
Message-ID: <4ns6im$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4njp9r$[e-mail]>

<[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Why would a newsgroup devoted to the restoring and
>collection of old radios (mainly mil surplus) belong in with
>the rest of the "ham" (amateur) groups at all?

Larry:

Only a small percentage of Boatanchors are military and government surplus
pieces, most popular are the R-390/390-A receivers and a few WW-II pieces
such as the BC-347 receiver.  Most Boatanchor equipment of interest today
include American-mane commercial ham gear circa 1950 - mid 1970s.
Manufacturers like Collins, Hallicrafters, National, Drake, Hammarlund,
etc.

>Whats wrong with rec.radio.boatanchors ?
>or rec.radio.milsurplus.tubes? Or rec.radio.firebottle.stuff?
>Inquiring minds want to know why so many people are so set
>on having both "boatanchors" and "amateur" in the newsgroup name.

rec.radio.boatanchors is not descriptive enough.  Most of the boatanchors
enthusiasts are amateur radio operators who use this equipment on the
amateur bands.  That's why 'amateur' belongs in the newsgroup name.

Hope this helps.

73,

Michael Crestohl, KH6KD/W1
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:11 1996
From: [e-mail] (Michael White)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Really confused :-\
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 14:17:54 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

daniel wilson wrote:

> I am very confused about what equipment is needed to partcipate in
> packet radio networking, etc. I often come across pages that say you
> need an FM radio, is that just an everyday FM radio that sits in your
> HIFI ?

The "FM radio" someone told you about is not an ordinary FM broadcast
receiver.  You need a two-way, narrow-band FM communictions transceiver
(that is, a transmitter and receiver) of the sort commonly used by
amateurs on the 144, and 450 MHz frequency bands.  You also need a device
called a "terminal node controller (TNC)", and a computer terminal or a PC
that can emulate a terminal. The TNC couples your computer (or terminal)
to the radio transceiver; it works a bit like a modem.

Used transceivers can be had for around $150 and up (depending on age,
condition and features), and TNCs from around $60.  New transceivers start
around $300, and TNCs around $130.  This station will allow you to
exchange digital messages with other hams world wide, and even in space
(shuttle, Mir space station, and some satellites).

Packet radio is one of the many communications modes available to amateur
radio operaters.  To operate an amateur radio station, you must earn a
license from the Federal Communications Commission by passing a test in
radio theory, regulations, and operating practices.  Most classes of
license also require reception of morse code at varying speeds.  Your
license grants you privledges that vary according to license class, but
most give you those you need to operate packet.

You can get a book on becomming a ham that describes all this, and other
ham activities as well, at any Radio Shack store.  It's called "Now You're
Talking".  You can also get information from the American Radio Relay
League (ARRL), the national organization of hams. They're on the web at
www.arrl.org

Best of luck...

Mike, N4PDY

--
[e-mail]

My opinions are my own, not my employer's.


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:12 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jerry B. Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Results of a CW Survey
Date: 18 May 1996 22:28:04 -0400
Message-ID: <4nm0vk$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4nj9os$[e-mail]>

In article <4nj9os$[e-mail]>,
cc wynn  <wyn> wrote:

CC: fix your news-poster.

>I hope Jerry gets his wife on here to explain how one can obtain opinions
>from those who chose not to give it.  How about wire-tapping or bugging?
>Spanish inquisition?

To which Jerry are you referring?

//jbaltz
--
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]                KE3ML


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:13 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jerry B. Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Results of a CW Survey
Date: 18 May 1996 23:04:01 -0400
Message-ID: <4nm331$[e-mail]>
References: <4nfh30$epq$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4ni5mp$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
Bruce Burke  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>The only, let me stess that ONLY requirement was that you be a
>US amateur.(PERIOD) Therefore, I have a random sample. Everyone
>who responded fit the requirement EXACTLY!

You do not have a random sample of US amateurs. You have a sample which
selected itself.

>Bruce, WB4YUC

//jbaltz
--
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]                KE3ML


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:14 1996
From: Bruce Burke <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Results of a CW Survey
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 14:05:50 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4ngudk$[e-mail]>

Dana Myers wrote:

> >As I previously stated, a cw station with a 250Hz BW
> >has a 5.1dB greater system gain than does the PK232 with
> >it's 450 Hz BW. My support of that argument was then indeed correct.
> >Especially since the argument was limited to current modes
> >available.
>
> Wait, wait, wait.  This example has nothing to do with OOK
> morse.  In fact, this example is misleading in that you're
> apparently comparing a CW station to a packet station.

I wasn't, the people who responded were. Now you're getting it!

> The only thing your argument supports is that overall
> system gain is improved when the bandwidth of the modulation
> is decreased along with the bandwidth of the receiver.  That's
> nothing special.

But that was the argument!
>
> I'd like to see you compare G-TOR or even PACTOR to
> CW under noisy conditions.  You'd probably be surprised.

The argument was NOT about the ability to decode under noisy conditions.
>
> Of course, you can also improve system gain by using
> a coherent modulation mode, too.  Again, OOK Morse is
> nothing special.

No you can't, you may improve the signal to noise ratio at
which you can get acceptable decode, but that is NOT the same
argument as system gain.
>
> >So far, no one has demonstrated that this is not correct other
> >than to say it is incorrect.
>
> Actually, since all you're saying is that narrow-band modulation
> and receivers with matching bandwidth improve system gain, no
> one can prove you wrong.  However, OOK Morse code has nothing
> to do with this.

Yes, it does, that was the very point of the argument.

OOK Morse at 20WPM, requires less BW than packet, rtty, and amtor,
so it is quite relavent. Your right, using those parameters, that can't be pro
ven
wrong and that is no doubt why the folks who used those very parameters.

You have now won the brass ring!

73,

Bruce, WB4YUC
=====================================================


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:15 1996
From: Bruce Burke <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Results of a CW Survey
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 14:06:23 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4ngudk$[e-mail]>

Dana Myers wrote:

> >As I previously stated, a cw station with a 250Hz BW
> >has a 5.1dB greater system gain than does the PK232 with
> >it's 450 Hz BW. My support of that argument was then indeed correct.
> >Especially since the argument was limited to current modes
> >available.
>
> Wait, wait, wait.  This example has nothing to do with OOK
> morse.  In fact, this example is misleading in that you're
> apparently comparing a CW station to a packet station.

I wasn't, the people who responded were. Now you're getting it!

> The only thing your argument supports is that overall
> system gain is improved when the bandwidth of the modulation
> is decreased along with the bandwidth of the receiver.  That's
> nothing special.

But that was the argument!
>
> I'd like to see you compare G-TOR or even PACTOR to
> CW under noisy conditions.  You'd probably be surprised.

The argument was NOT about the ability to decode under noisy conditions.
>
> Of course, you can also improve system gain by using
> a coherent modulation mode, too.  Again, OOK Morse is
> nothing special.

No you can't, you may improve the signal to noise ratio at
which you can get acceptable decode, but that is NOT the same
argument as system gain.
>
> >So far, no one has demonstrated that this is not correct other
> >than to say it is incorrect.
>
> Actually, since all you're saying is that narrow-band modulation
> and receivers with matching bandwidth improve system gain, no
> one can prove you wrong.  However, OOK Morse code has nothing
> to do with this.

Yes, it does, that was the very point of the argument.

OOK Morse at 20WPM, requires less BW than packet, rtty, and amtor,
so it is quite relavent. Your right, using those parameters, that can't be pro
ven
wrong and that is no doubt why the folks who used those very parameters.

You have now won the brass ring!

73,

Bruce, WB4YUC
=====================================================


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:16 1996
From: ME <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Satellite
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:34:20 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Could somebody please E-MAIL me some frequencies for ham satellites and
the MIR orbital complex.
                              Thanks Alot


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:17 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Some Weirdo on 3950 Khz???
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4mumt3$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 21:10:28 GMT

Bill Macpherson  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Jeffrey Herman wrote:

>> >       Further proof for the geezers that Morris Code keeps the
>> >riff-raff out the HF bands.

>> Again, it must be pointed out that the small percentage of HF riff-raff
>> conduct their bad behavior on SSB and not code. That we even have riff-raff
>> means anyone can pass the code tests.
>> Jeff KH2PZ

>Not to be picky guys ... but I thought it was called the MORSE Code ...
>named after Samuel F B Morse :-)

Be careful with the attribution lines, Bill. I didn't write the first
sentence. Code is my favorite mode - I surely know the spelling of its
inventor. But the spelling "Morris" first appeared on here as a little
prank - something about Morris The Cat.

Jeff KH2PZ



From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:18 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ton Muller)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: SP/Superpacket/eSkay packet 7.02?
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 22:07:32 GMT
Message-ID: <319b89b5.2069464@news>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Pasquale L Scaramuzza) wrote:

>A person here at work had SP 7.02.079 running for a short time...until
>he tried another packet program, which he subsequently decided that
>he hated.  :/  Now he wants his old program back.  <sigh>
>
>As sysop, I'm just trying to placate this user and get him back to where
>he was.  Can anyone tell me where to find SP version 7.02, or any SP version
>7.x?  I appreciate any help you can give...thanks.
SP9.60 also good ?

Ton Muller

Forte Free Agent .99e
Life long and prosper dude's!


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:18 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ed Schaefer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Tootie-Fruitie Ham Operators (LAMBDA)
Date: 17 May 1996 21:07:56 GMT
Message-ID: <4niprc$[e-mail]>
References: <4n669v$[e-mail]> <habi.832078868@bauv111> <[e-mail]> <4ngubm$[e-mail]>

In article <4ngubm$[e-mail]>,
Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>What does LAMBDA mean?  I'm sure it's an acronym for something.  But
>>what?
>
>How about:
>
>And the acronym for GAY:
>
         Drew's libels deleted to avoid propagating filth.
>
>-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
> KF4DDM

Good grief! He's got stamina if nothing else.

How about: Durigan remains entirely witless
        or Disgraceful reprehensible extremist wretch

                             8-)  8-)
--
This posting is purely the personal opinion of
Ed Schaefer  [e-mail]   ham radio: K9JMA


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:19 1996
From: [e-mail] (Anthony Gold)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity call signs: Gate 2?
Date: 20 May 1996 10:05:11 -0400
Message-ID: <4npu6n$[e-mail]>
References: <4nnb18$[e-mail]>

Arden Eby ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Does anyone know when the vanity call sign Gate 2 opens?

No-one knows, but be aware that it is not the next gate.  There is a Gate
1A to open before gate 2 is announced.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:20 1996
From: [e-mail] (Karl Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity call signs: Gate 2?
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:27:40 -0400
Message-ID: <CSLE87-2105961327400001@145.39.1.10>
References: <4nnb18$[e-mail]> <4npu6n$[e-mail]> <4nqtsu$[e-mail]>

In article <4nqtsu$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Arden
Eby) wrote:

> [e-mail] (Anthony Gold) wrote:
>
> >Arden Eby ([e-mail]) wrote:
> >: Does anyone know when the vanity call sign Gate 2 opens?
>
> >No-one knows, but be aware that it is not the next gate.  There is a Gate
> >1A to open before gate 2 is announced.
>
> OK So what is Gate 1A?
>
> Arde KI7FG
>
>
> ****************************************************************************
**
>                                  Arden Eby
>                       Internet:  [e-mail]
>                   Packet Radio:  [e-mail]
>      Homepage (Eby's Cyberscroll)  http://www.teleport.com/~arden/
> ****************************************************************************
**

Those who read the ARRL bulletin know that gate 1A pertains to holders of
CLUB callsigns as of March 1995 (last year!).

--
Karl Beckman, P.E.                <      If our English language is so   >
Motorola Pvt Data Systems         <   precise, why do you drive on the   >
Schaumburg, IL  /  Parma, OH      <   parkway and park on the driveway?  >
[phone] / [phone]
**  Opinions expressed here do NOT represent the views of Motorola Inc. **
--
Amateur radio WA8NVW                        NavyMARS NNN0VBH @ NOGBN.NOASI


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:21 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gerard Foley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity calls: is there a list of available area 5 call signs for Gate 2???
Date: 20 May 1996 09:16:21 -0400
Message-ID: <4nprb5$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4na7um$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Sam Alfano ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Does any know of a place on the Net for a list of available EXTRA CLASS
: calls for area 5?

: Thanks

  The only thing I can think of is to inquire of one of the several callbook
services on Internet for the call you want, or try all that would be
acceptable.  As I understand it, though, the present vanity call
arrangements only cover specific calls you or your relatives have held in
the past.  For instance, I could presumably pay $30 to get any of W8UKI,
W3LXS, W3UKI or K3EL!

K8EF
--
Gerry


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:22 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity calls: is there a list of available area 5 call signs for Gate 2???
Date: 20 May 1996 15:41:42 GMT
Message-ID: <4nq3rm$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4na7um$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4nprb5$[e-mail]>

>Sam Alfano ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Does any know of a place on the Net for a list of available EXTRA CLASS
>: calls for area 5?

I think W5YI provides this service (for a price, of course).
--
Dick Flanagan, W6OLD - ([e-mail]) - Minden, NV


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:24 1996
From: Kevin Alfred Strom <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: WB2OTK, Scum Bag and Gutter Snipe
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 12:09:25 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4nfokv$[e-mail]>

Jim Overfelt wrote:
>
> What can be done to get Rich Whiten WB2OTK off the air. Every night he goes
up


Probably nothing will be done. The FCC mean well, but their resources are
tied up with higher priorities. Another egregious 75 meter jammer,
WA9KJI, who announces freely to the world the fact that he is jamming,
along with laboriously elucidated reasons for it, has been operating like
that for years with no FCC action yet.


> and down the 75 meter band jamming.  Of course during the day he is on 14.31
3
> stiring up trouble, cussing, jamming and in general making life miserable fo
r
> everyone.

In fairness to Rich, though I disagree with him on just about everything,
he is intelligent and interesting to talk to when his mean streak isn't
showing.

With all good wishes,

Kevin WB4AIO

--


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
                  I speak only for myself:

                 Occupied America Homepage:
      http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/

     Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
            http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/

                The Finest in European Art:
      http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html

                   Patriotic Resistance:
                  http://www.natvan.com/
                  http://www.natall.com/


From [e-mail] Wed May 22 18:59:25 1996
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Yes, we do have young hams
Date: 19 May 1996 23:32:10 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4nob1q$[e-mail]>
References: <4mnsh1$[e-mail]> <4ngnie$[e-mail]> <4njmsa$[e-mail]> <4nnubi$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:
>
>   [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:
>
>>Who wants to waste a bunch of time and be forced to learn an
>>antiquated form of communication like Morse Code when it's much
>>easier and cheaper to talk around the world on the Internet?
>
>Sounds as though you're not actually interested in radio.  Why did
>you bother to get a beginner's license?

What I'm not interested in is stuffy old folks like you who believe that
nobody should have access to their little "private club" called "amateur
radio" unless they demonstrate knowledge of an outdated, ancient mode of
communications known as Morse Code.  I'm not interested in radio?  Uh,
okay....I guess that's why I have chosen commercial radio as a career and
been in the business for the past 12+ years.  Whatever.


-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:07 1996
From: gooch <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ft 51r mods wanted
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 19:37:59 -0600
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

if anyone knows about any mods for this radio please contact me


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:08 1996
From: [e-mail] (bob rx)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RE. 12-24 HR LED Clock display
Date: 22 May 1996 22:03:29 GMT
Message-ID: <4o02vh$[e-mail]>

hi name is bob -- wb2flx -- have heard that there is a way to change
12 hr LED clocks to 24 hr display -- any help would be appreciated --thanks an
d
73 -- bob n wb2flx


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:09 1996
From: Tim Robertson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WTB ARRL book "Reflections"
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:31:09 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

WTB the ARRL book "Reflections". It is out of print so any help will be
appreciated. Please respond by email.
73,Tim,KC7QOM
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:10 1996
From: [e-mail] (SDU)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need mods for C528!!
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 18:14:41 GMT
Message-ID: <4o4gbr$[e-mail]>

Hi  !  am looking for mods of Standard C528a ! Does anyone can tell
me, please? Thank you!!
SDU



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:10 1996
From: [e-mail] (Anonymous)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: REC.RADIO.SWAP.BOATANCHORS ??
Date: 25 May 1996 11:06:15 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Suggest changing the name.  Think about it.

Ham Burger



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:11 1996
From: [e-mail] (Anonymous)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: _   REC.RADIO.SWAP.BOATANCHORS ??   _
Date: 25 May 1996 18:27:44 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Think about it.

Ham Burger



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:12 1996
From: [e-mail] (Cyberguy90)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: th-22at
Date: 27 May 1996 12:52:16 -0400
Message-ID: <4ocmk0$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Cyberguy90)

Does anyone have the mods for the Kenwood TH-22at?  I just got a new one
and would like to see the mods for it.

KC8CBY, Ryan Fowler, [e-mail] or [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:13 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (charles copeland)
Subject: SURVEY: How long did it take you to pass 13wpm code test?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:50:40 GMT

This is a survey to determine the average time it takes one
to learn 13wpm CW. I've heard people claim 2 weeks to 2 years.

Took me one year.



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:13 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: "Charles A. Hewson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Reg: FM Repraters & online directory
To: [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 21:36:57 GMT

Thx for your help. It turned out that I was in Santa Maria not
Santa Barbara. I used the central coast machine 146.940 no tone.
Online "http://home.earthlink.net/~artsci/repmain.html" covers all of
USA well.



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:14 1996
From: "Andrew D. Lawlor" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Code/No Code
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:28:23 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4nv9h8$[e-mail]> <4nvj83$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Drew,

If the internet is your kick, then what's your beef with ham
radio?  Why do you care?  Go chat with some horney pre-teens
and enjoy yourself.  I'm sure you'll have plenty to talk
about.  You are a piece of work.


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:15 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gary McDuffie, Sr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Anyone remember/know K7LPZ?
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 08:44:31 GMT
Message-ID: <31ac0deb.5596418@164.119.101.2>

A recent post reminded me of an old CW friend, Donna, K7LPZ.  She moved to
Canada and had a VE7 call the last time I talked to her, about 10 years
ago.  Does anyone know where she might be hanging her key these days?
Wouldn't mind hearing from the Little Pink Zipper again!

73, Gary


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:16 1996
From: Paul O'Connor <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Needs Mods for Kwood TS870
Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 01:16:06 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Looking for mods for 870. All info appreciated.
N3OYB
--
If the news is bad......SHOOT the messenger!
Paul O'Connor A.R.S. N3OYB
1405 Smokehouse Lane
Harrisburg, Pa. 17110


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:17 1996
From: Kyle Crane <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.robotics.misc,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Future postings of L.O.S.A ?
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 23:24:09 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4n7pac$[e-mail]> <4o2k5n$[e-mail]> <4o2lug$[e-mail]> <4o45fb$[e-mail]>

Just Wondering, how long is this thread going to keep going? I've seen
it for close to a month now. Just curious. And yes I do know that I
added one more to it.

Kyle Crane
http://webusers.anet-stl.com/~kvc980s
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:18 1996
From: [e-mail] (eugene nick)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Code Quick
Date: 26 May 1996 12:08:24 GMT
Message-ID: <4o9hjo$[e-mail]>

I was just wondering how good id "CodeQuick" for a beginner or is it
mainly to increase your speed?
--
       HERE'S TO A LONG LIFE AND MERRY ONE!
          A QUICK DEATH AND A EASY ONE
             A GOOD LOVER AND A TRUE ONE
               A COLD BEER AND ANOTHER ONE!!!


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:19 1996
From: Pontus Falk <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WWV Information?
Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 16:00:56 +0200
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Hi OM's!

Can anyone tell me where I can find WWV information - like I can find via
the DX Cluster - via Internet?
--
Pontus Falk/SM0RUX
WWW-page at            : http://www.algonet.se/~falk
Public PGP Key found at: http://www.algonet.se/~falk/falk.html


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:19 1996
From: [e-mail] (duffy1)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Selling Prices of FT-50 HT
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 08:40:33
Message-ID: <4oevmc$[e-mail]>

For those of you that have bought the FT-50 dual band HT or those
that are looking at buying one, what is the average retail price?
Who has the best price?

Thanks,

Duffy - WB8NUT



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:20 1996
From: [e-mail](Jim Sheffield)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: TS-870S QSK
Date: 29 May 1996 00:39:19 GMT
Message-ID: <4og6bn$[e-mail]>

Does anyone know how to turn off the faint clicking
sound when using the TS-870S in the QSK mode for
CW?  I'm aware of menu item #51 (Linear) and it is set
to "off".  Is there no way to get silent QSK switching
with the rig?

Thanks for any help.  73, Jim KB7ET
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:21 1996
From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW is Cool!
Date: 24 May 1996 09:51:01 -0700
Message-ID: <4o4pdl$[e-mail]>
References: <sgoller-2405960913500001@198.175.8.3>

Sam Goller <[e-mail]> wrote:
: I've been reading a lot of threads here that pan or promote CW.  Well, let
: me add to the chaos and share my opinion.

Please don't - at least not here. Rec.radio.amateur.policy was originated
to get postings like yours off this newsgroup. Ever read the r.r.a.*
guidelines?

73, Cecil, KG7BK (W6RCA soon), OOTC


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:22 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Dan Mouer)
Subject: Anyone heard of or tried Ten-Tec kits?
Message-ID: <5197cc$10102e.103@NEWS>
Date: Sat, 25 May 96 21:15:31 GMT

I used to like the Heathkit concept of building your own electronics, but they

dropped all their ham stuff in the 80's.  I recently found out about Ten-Tec
and would like to know if anyone has had any experiences with them. Are they a

reliable company? Are their kits any good? etc.
Any info is appreicated.
Thanks.

-Dan (N3XJN).



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:23 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Don't be tricked!!!!...code is it !!!!!
Message-ID: <51c7cc$[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 14:37:24 GMT
References: <4oavc9$[e-mail]>

>            It's part of our past,present and future existence...
>            anti-coders prepare for "beaucoup de resistence"

....  .  ._  ._.       ....  .  ._  ._.  !

KA1VRR





From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:24 1996
From: N2TTA <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Special Event 5/26-27/95
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 19:48:54 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Special Event - Sumter SC Annual Iris Festival
Date & time 1600 UTC (Noon EDT) 5/26/96 til 1900 UTC (3:00PM) 5/27/96
Call Sign  AC4HU
Sponsored by the Sumter Amateur Radio Association
Freqs. General portion of 80, 40 & 20 meter bands,
novice 10 m phone band, 147.015+ and 444.150+ repeaters
and ATV Repeater 439.250 input/ 421.250 output

Stations contacted may request a Certificate by sending SASE to:
Sumter ARA, P.O. Box 193, Sumter, SC 29151


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:25 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Term: DX
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 20:50:49 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>, Angus John Mcleod <[e-mail]> wrote:
> the term "DX" originally meant "Weak Signal" and not "Long Distance" or
>even "Foreign Country".  The present-day meaning of the term is apparently

Hi Gus, Could you please provide reference for your definition? I've got a
pretty good radio history library and find it difficult concure with your
definition.

73 from Hawaii,
Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:25 1996
From: Per Borjesson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Contest-log-program
Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 19:13:10 +0200
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Hallo!

Thanks for reading this. Do you know where there is a log program on
internet that can help me with keying my transmitter and do the log
job??
Pse info to e-mail: [e-mail]

Best 73

Per/SM4SX


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:26 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gary McDuffie, Sr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kenwood TS-450S Modification
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 08:40:46 GMT
Message-ID: <31ac0d43.5428182@164.119.101.2>
References: <4och5s$[e-mail]>

On Mon, 27 May 1996 15:13:40 GMT, [e-mail] (George Pichelli)
wrote:

> I am looking for the TX mod for the Kenwood TS-450S.

Hmm...  The ones I've come across transmitted just fine without a mod!  :)

Sorry, couldn't resist that one!

Gary


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:27 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity calls: is there a list of available area 5 call signs for Gate 2???
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 10:01:44 GMT
Message-ID: <4o1602$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4na7um$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Sam Alfano <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Does any know of a place on the Net for a list of available EXTRA CLASS
>calls for area 5?

>Thanks
You can get a floppy from W5YI-VEC by
calling 1-800-669-9594 that contains all
available calls. There is a small fee.
Jim



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:28 1996
From: Mark Pettigrew <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: beep after tx
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 10:51:26 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4nu635$[e-mail]>

Antonio R. Bruno da Cunha wrote:
>
> Please, can anyone tell me how can I transmit a "beep" after my
> speech. I have a Yaesu FT-530 HT. Thanks

There was a construction article in one of the British Ham mags a couple
or three of months ago for something like this. I'll look it out if I
can, but it may take some time. Anyone else remember it?

Mark
G0WLR


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:28 1996
From: Ed Ellers <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Creates New CB Service (FRS) on 462 MHz Band
Date: Fri, 24 May 96 13:28:58 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4njh0g$[e-mail]> <4nk21p$[e-mail]> <4nncgp$[e-mail]>

WB3U <[e-mail]> writes:

>There's not much incentive to violate the rules governing ERP given
>the propagation characteristics on those frequencies.  This is
>where CB should have been all along.

And where the Citizens Radio Service originally *was.*  The problem was that
UHF gear was just too expensive for wide acceptance; the FCC wanted to break
that barrier by allowing the use of cheap gear on 11m, but that let all the
idiots in as well.



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:29 1996
Newsgroups: comp.robotics.misc,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Future postings of L.O.S.A ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4o2k5n$[e-mail]> <4o2lug$[e-mail]> <4o45fb$[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 22:42:24 GMT

Richard Steven Walz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>philately!! The BASIC STAMP is a Microchip PIC-based Microcontroller,
>and is appropriate for ALL the groups in HIS newsgroup line we keep
>seeing! They are used by roboticists, amateur radio enthusiasts, and

Not ALL as you say. Are you familiar with the difference between the
two groups rec.radio.amateur.misc and r.r.a.homebrew? After you've
read the r.r.a charter then you'll understand why this topic and its
dozens of followups have no place on r.r.a.misc.

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:30 1996
From: Jeff Firman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Source for subaudible tone encoder/decoder
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 14:01:21 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>


        Does anyone know of a source, preferably in the Baltimore/Washington
area, for CTCSS or PL subaudible tone encoders/decoders and filters to
remove the low tones from regular audio?

        I prefer an email response since I am not a regular reader of
this newsgroup.

Thanks,

Jeff ([e-mail])


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:31 1996
From: [e-mail] (Roy Lewallen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Subject: Re: Anyone know how to contact K9AY?
Date: Wed, 29 May 96 18:00:45 GMT
Message-ID: <4oi3as$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
   Martin Davies <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi, I'm trying to find a way to contact K9AY, Gary A. Breed, who
>is (or was in 1994) the Editor and Associate Publisher of the
>journal "RF Design" . . .

Gary's no longer with RF Design. He's now with Noble Publishing. You might
try their office in Georgia, telephone [phone], fax [phone].

Roy Lewallen, W7EL



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:32 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: HF Band Plan Listing?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4ntl9i$[e-mail]> <4o1vod$[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 23:38:13 GMT

Jim Kehler <[e-mail]> wrote:
>For the most part the digital stuff stays in the upper region of
>the CW part of most of the HF bands.

I'm curious how well the digital modes are able to work in that region
of 40M where the foreign broadcasters live. Any problems at all?

As young-pup novices rockbound on 40M, we'd use the broadcasters in place
of a BFO. Our novice net met about 1 kc from Radio Moscow. News, music,
and code all at the same time!

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:32 1996
From: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FASC position: Drop CW from ITU Treat;y
Date: 25 May 1996 16:16:41 GMT
Message-ID: <4o7bp9$[e-mail]>


In response to Jim Reid:
Contrary to your statement, the FASC position as of this second is not to
drop cw from the ITU treaty. The FASC paper is a "what if" document that
addresses all scenarios, of which dropping cw is one. While your unrelenting j
oy
as to your erroneous conclusion is noted, as well as your spamming of
the net, clearly note that your conclusion is incorrect. In fact, the
conclusion that you have drawn from reading an admittedly confusing
document is very closely analogous to the "War of the Worlds"
broadcast by Orson Welles in 1938.

Vince, WB2EZG


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:33 1996
From: [e-mail] (Kevin  AstirCS "1U"   KO0B)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Lat-Long Conversion
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 15:35:12 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <4oifsf$[e-mail]>
References: <4of52h$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Eugene L. Olson - KC0RL) wrote:

>I am looking for DOS or Windows software that will convert degrees,
>minutes and seconds to decimal degrees of latitude and longitude.

Sounds like a good job for a spread-sheet.  Take your pick.

Me, I use a programable calculator....actually HP-41  has this
function built in.

-KF-



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:34 1996
From: Ed Ellers <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Fool speaks!!
Date: Fri, 24 May 96 13:47:54 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4nqm6o$[e-mail]> <Pine.SUN.3.93.960520112851.3514C-100000@co <[e-mail]>

Ronald Bouthillier <[e-mail]> writes:

>I think he may know more then you think and I beleave more then you
>about the operation of repeaters and the way to conduct your self
>without making SLANDEREST REMARKS AND DEFAMATION OF CHARCATER witch is
>unlawful. I would also like to know how you can legally band him from
>a repeater, I may be wrong but you and the 146.700 group don't own the
>freq. If I am wrong Mike I would like to know how you can do that
>because I know someone that I would like to have this so called letter
>to stop a Ham from useing the freq..

You definitely can't stop someone from using a given frequency, but a repeater
's
licensee darn well CAN stop anyone he wants from using the repeater.


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:35 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: Dennis Mobey <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: SURVEY: How long did it take you to pass 13wpm code test?
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 02:03:26 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

charles copeland wrote:
>
> This is a survey to determine the average time it takes one
> to learn 13wpm CW. I've heard people claim 2 weeks to 2 years.
>
> Took me one year.

--
I passed the 5wpm in 2 months. I studied 11 months
for 5 to 13 wpm.
--
73 de Dennis H Mobley KT4FI
Sunrise, Fl


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:36 1996
From: [e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore~)
Newsgroups: comp.robotics.misc,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Future postings of L.O.S.A ?
Date: 26 May 1996 19:21:06 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4oaav2$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4o45fb$[e-mail]> <4o4pbo$[e-mail]> <4o6bgu$[e-mail]>

In article <4o6bgu$[e-mail]>,
Richard Steven Walz <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I am simply puzzled why people are not
>availing themselves of all the local ISP's who almost invariably offer
>unlimited untimed access for under $20.00 a month! Many are only $15 !!

Oh Yeah? Please find just a single one for me in Madisonville, Texas.
A lot of the people getting soaked by some providers have only
one choice and even that one requires a long-distance phone call.
Seems you can't see the forest for for the skyscrapers.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:37 1996
From: MOTALA SΘbastien <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: HELP Small VHF Xmitter for telemetry
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:29:50 +0100
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Can someone help me by mailing me some schematics or plans of a small
VHF transmitter ? It is to be used for tracking a small animal.

Frequency :      144 Mhz XTAL controlled
Range :          0.5 - 1 km
Supply :         9-12 VDC

Size and weight should be as low as possible.

I would very much appreciate any help in this matter.
        mailto:[e-mail]
My thanks to all those who reply !

Sebastien MOTALA.


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:37 1996
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Namespace Purity Considered Harmful (re: boatanchors)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
From: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 21 May 96 22:10:08 PDT
Reply-To: [e-mail]
References: <4nt1ii$[e-mail]>
Distribution: world

[e-mail](Jim Lowman) writes:

> Of course, all of this is moot unless the proponent gets around to
> putting up a RFD - seems like we've already had the discussion.

I understand it was forwarded to David Lawrence weeks ago....


[e-mail]                             __|
Robert Smits                                _/. |\
(VE7HS)                CQ CQ CQ !!!        <   (0)
                                       _   /__    |
                                      ( ) <_______/
                                       \ \/       \__


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:38 1996
From: "Ken Bessler (KG0WX)" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SURVEY: How long did it take you to pass 13wpm code test?
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:36:21 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
To: charles copeland <[e-mail]>

charles copeland wrote:
>
> This is a survey to determine the average time it takes one
> to learn 13wpm CW. I've heard people claim 2 weeks to 2 years.
>
> Took me one year.

6 weeks.
--

                                Ken Bessler KG0WX
                                Design Services Company
                                http://www2.southwind.net/~kg0wx
                                Model railroad designing


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:39 1996
From: [e-mail] (Richard E Stealey)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 28 May 1996 10:54:45 GMT
Message-ID: <4oem1l$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mrdvi$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4n399q$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4n599v$[e-mail]> <4n7u5b$[e-mail]> <4nu905$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Jay Maynard ([e-mail]) wrote:

: If Jeffrey Herman is correct and it was submitted to Dave Lawrence, then
: there was an attempt to do so. I'm not sure I agree with the proponents'
: response to his initial rejection, but I don't see it as an unreasonable
: one.

Jeffrey is correct - it was submitted to David Lawrence.  No response as
yet. I submitted it.  Therefore I am the proponent, but I HAVE NOT participate
d
in flaming of any knd.  I'm trying to keep things as professional as
posible and I'd like to get it to a vote asap.  Right now I
don't know why things are held up, but I will try to find out.

Rick  KT2Q


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:40 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gerard Foley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Really confused :-\
Date: 17 May 1996 19:27:58 -0400
Message-ID: <4nj21u$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

daniel wilson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I am very confused about what equipment is needed to partcipate in
: packet radio networking, etc. I often come across pages that say you
: need an FM radio, is that just an everyday FM radio that sits in your
: HIFI ? or is it more complicated. What about antenae ? How big do they
: need to be ? do you need them at all if you are using an FM radio ???

   In the UK licensing is not through the U.S.F.C.C.  Try the
Radio Society of Great Britain for info.  Maybe some member will
supply an address, and so on.  Good Luck and cheerio

K8EF

--
Gerry


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:41 1996
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Namespace Purity Considered Harmful (re: boatanchors)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4nt1ii$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 08:49:45 GMT

Steve Bonine <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> [e-mail](Jim Lowman) writes:

>>> Of course, all of this is moot unless the proponent gets around to
>>> putting up a RFD - seems like we've already had the discussion.

>> I understand it was forwarded to David Lawrence weeks ago....

>And I understand that it was not.
>Steve Bonine

Well Steve, why would he have voiced his displeasure with the group's
name if he hadn't received the RDF?

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:42 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bruce Baugh)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: Thu, 23 May 96 17:28:08 GMT
Message-ID: <4o2778$[e-mail]>
References: <4n599v$[e-mail]> <4n7u5b$[e-mail]> <4nu905$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Henry van Cle
ef) wrote:

>It's not a "technical term," but ham radio jargon.  I doubt that any
>ham can give a clear definition of "boatanchor," what it includes and
>what it does not.

A certain fuzziness is by no means unprecedented, though - from computer
languages to roleplaying games, there are lots of subjects where there's
substantial argument about the boundaries.

Bruce Baugh <*> [e-mail] <*> http://www.aracnet.com/~bruce
See my Web pages for
    New science fiction by Steve Stirling and George Alec Effing er
    Christlib, the mailing list for Christian and libertarian concerns
    Daedalus Games, makers of Shadowfist and Feng Shui


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:43 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steve Greenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 2m/440 Mobile
Date: 21 May 1996 20:40:55 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I am interested in any operator's comments on the latest dual band
(2m/440mhz)  mobile rigs on the market today, particularly the following:

Icom 2700 or 2350 series
Alinco DR-610
Yaesu 5100 or 5200
Kenwood TM 733A

Good and bad comments appreciated.

You can e-mail me responses or post them here.

Thanks for the info & 73s

Steve, WA6TAF
e-mail: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:44 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dean)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SURVEY: How long did it take you to pass 13wpm code test?
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 01:17:22 GMT
Message-ID: <4o32lc$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (charles copeland) wrote:

>This is a survey to determine the average time it takes one
>to learn 13wpm CW. I've heard people claim 2 weeks to 2 years.

>Took me one year.

Took me abt 2 weeks but I was 13 years old.  Still use the mode over
SSB.


           C. Dean Norris
      Amateur Radio Station K7NO
      e-mail to [e-mail]
    http://www.syspac.com/~dnorris/



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:45 1996
From: [e-mail] (Matthew Burnham)
Newsgroups: comp.robotics.misc,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Future postings of L.O.S.A ?
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 21:01:55 GMT
Message-ID: <4o2k5n$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4n7pac$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Floyd Brown) scribbled:
>>>Why are you posting this crap about stamps?  It costs me money
>>>to download news and I can't pick and choose.  Who the Hell asked
>>>you to do this?
>sounds like he needs to check at&t or some other provider if he is in the
>US, no reason to pay by message in this day and age!!
Don't you have phone call charges to consider???


--
Matthew Burnham
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
http://homepages.enterprise.net/danew
http://ftp.enterprise.net/danew



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:46 1996
From: [e-mail] (Eugene L. Olson - KC0RL)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Lat-Long Conversion
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 15:11:12 GMT
Message-ID: <4of52h$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

I am looking for DOS or Windows software that will convert degrees,
minutes and seconds to decimal degrees of latitude and longitude.
Also to convert from decimal degrees of latitude and longitude back to
degrees minutes and seconds.
I sure would appreciate it if someone could point me to a good
program.  I know how to do it on a calculator but it is just a little
bit cumbersome to do it that way if you have a lot of conversions to
do.  Thanks for listning.


====================================================
Eugene L. Olson, ("Ole") - Amateur Radio Call: KC0RL
Packet Home BBS: KC0RL @ W0LKD.#SECO.CO.USA.NA
Internet EMAIL: [e-mail]
====================================================



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:46 1996
From: [e-mail] (KD4GIK)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RE: 440 Repeaters
Date: 22 May 96 16:57:27 GMT
Message-ID: <199605221657.MAA16745@grtk>

The East Pasco Amateur Radio Society (EPARS) group in Dade City has been
running a Yaesu repeater on 146.28/88 since late last year.  The performance
of the machine has been excellant with the exception of problems with the
duplexers.  (lightning)  The rated sensitivity is somewhat less that the
GE/Motorola rigs used in the past, but I can't tell any difference.  Anyone
in the Tampa Bay area can work this machine mobile on 5 to 10 watts full
quieting.

The controller card is 3rd party from N9EE in New Port Richey.  A very nice
product as well.

If you are traveling in Pinellas, Pasco, Polk, Hillsboro, Sumter, or
Hernando counties,  punch us up!

73..John
Just shutup and learn the code!



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:47 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How was Dayton? Info wanted!!!
Date: 22 May 1996 04:04:43 GMT
Message-ID: <4nu3or$[e-mail]>

If you went to Dayton, could you share your stories with the rest of us. We ar
e
collecting bits and pieces from those you who've gone and putting them togethe
r
for our Ham Radio Online web site. If you saw something of interest, please
pass it along and we will edit into a compendium. Any new equipment?
Interesting tech talks? Digital? ATV? SSTV? Microwave?

We thank you and the zillions of us who didn't make it, will thank you!

73, Ed, KF7VY

--
------------------------
Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
personal email to [e-mail]
Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:48 1996
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Henry van Cleef)
Subject: Re: Namespace Purity Considered Harmful (re: boatanchors)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4nt1ii$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:36:40 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>[e-mail](Jim Lowman) writes:
>
>> Of course, all of this is moot unless the proponent gets around to
>> putting up a RFD - seems like we've already had the discussion.
>
>I understand it was forwarded to David Lawrence weeks ago....
>
The text of the RFD needs to be available, given the amount of
discussion on the topic.  It should be posted as a "pre-RFD" so that
we can see what is being proposed.
--
===================================================================
Hank van Cleef                                The Union Institute
        E-mail [e-mail] or [e-mail]
===================================================================



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:49 1996
From: [e-mail] (Paul Cameron)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Free CAD software
Date: Thu, 23 May 96 06:10:46 GMT
Message-ID: <4o0vu1$[e-mail]>

An announcement for RF/microwave engineers and hobbyist:

There is a new Windows CAD program available for transmission line
calculations.  Supported models include microstrip, coplanar
waveguide, stripline, and slot line.

The software is distributed as freeware provided the user registers the
program after an evalution period.

The software can be downloaded at:
http://users.deltanet.com/~pekarek/index.html

Registration is supported (and encouraged) via e-mail.

Thanks for your time,
Paul



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:50 1996
From: [e-mail] (Tom Bodoh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Wanted:  Alinco 1200 service manual or help
Date: 27 May 1996 12:39:01 GMT
Message-ID: <4oc7p5$[e-mail]>

Hello,

    Yesterday when I turned on my Alinco 1200, it seemed to be dead but
on closer inspection the radio worked OK but all of the panel lights are
out.  Actually when I first turned it on, one of the lights seemed to be
on, but very dim and later all were out.

    I would be willing to buy a service manual if anyone has one.  If
anyone would be willing to share their knowledge/experience or look up
what I need that would be good too.  Is there a micro-fuse inline with
the panel LED's?  Are they connected in series so that if one is out,
they all go out?  Has this happened to anyone else?  I took it apart but
could not spot any problems.  Everything else seems to work. Please Email
rather than post responses.  Thanks...

Tom, N0YGT



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:51 1996
From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 21st Century Ham Licenses
Date: 29 May 1996 07:39:59 -0400
Message-ID: <4ohd2f$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
        Hugh Duff <[e-mail]> wrote:

>And once CW is abolished from HF testing, it will be something else that
>holds back another crowd of wannabees who can't face the newer hurdle.
>
>Am I right or what ?

Absolutely. Next they'll want the theory testing abolished, because
"IT's TOO HARD! WAAAAAAA"

MD
--
--
--  "I have more guns than I need, and less guns than I want." -- Phil Graam
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:52 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: No CODE No CW on HF
Date: Fri, 24 May 96 15:39:02 GMT
Message-ID: <4o4pd2$[e-mail]>
References: <4n3u9b$[e-mail]> <4nbldl$[e-mail]> <4nc6ck$[e-mail]> <4nl8v7$[e-mail]> <4nncfu$[e-mail]> <4nnudb$[e-mail]> <4nobtv$[e-mail]> <4np0l5$[e-mail]> <4nsiem$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4o1rig$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4o3601$[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] wrote:

>What it does leave is the IARU, International Amateur Radio Union,
>which prescribes the rules for International membership.  It is the
>IARU that requires CW for HF.  The FCC is just following the rules
>the U.S. has agreed to abide by.

F.C.C. rules go well beyond the requirements of the IARU regarding
Morse proficiency.  IARU could be satisfied with a 5 WPM requirement
for all privelages.

Even if IARU eventually drops this requirement, that doesn't mean it
will be in our best interests.  Not all countries share the goals set
forth by the F.C.C., nor do many of them care if these frequencies
degenerate into another Citizens Band.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:52 1996
From: [e-mail] (DWH)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 6 METER WEBSITE W/ADS AND SEARCH ENGINES
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 20:13:36 GMT
Message-ID: <4o55cr$[e-mail]>

Hello Everyone,

  Just a note to let everyone there is a New Website for 6 Meter
Operators. Be sure to check it out.

http://cust.iamerica.net/dwhowell


or via Webcrawler, type in the keyword:

6 Meter



Have fun es 73's
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:53 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steve Hideg)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Mission Control (was: beep after tx)
Date: 28 May 1996 14:42:46 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4nu635$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4ob34n$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, Dave Hand <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I  agree, Nasa was the originator of the over Beep, Not our favorite
> Good buddys on 11m. It can be a helpfull end of transmission indicator,
> too bad its gotten such a bad wrap from the association with CBers.

I observed that a beep was heard before and after each transmission from
Mission Control. The astronauts had no beeps on their transmissions. This
apparently served to differentiate the Mission Control transmissions from
those of the crew.

Also, they operate full duplex. I often heard astronauts interrupting each
other. What kind of system did they use? Was Mission Control's channel
also full duplex? Did each astronaut have multiple receivers to facilitate
this?

--Steve, N8HSC
  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:54 1996
From: (KF9CM) [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Dagwood Bumstead was a Bootlegger!
Date: 27 May 1996 11:13:38 GMT
Message-ID: <4oc2p2$[e-mail]>
References: <4nvuu8$[e-mail]>

>   [e-mail] (Don Montgomery) writes:
>
>  Does anyone recall the movie title where the FCC catches Dagwood
>  Bumstead bootlegging with his homebrew transmitter?  I believe it
>  was made in the late 40's - early 50's.
>
>  Don K6LTS
>  [e-mail]
>     ~
>
>>>>
I rember the movie, but I don't think he got busted by the FFC.  I think he wa
s taking
a correspondence course for radio & TV repair.......somthing about blondie's
cookies and cutting into a corporate shortwave conference with a army surplus
transmitter.

                                             "73" Gary KF9CM



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:55 1996
From: Mike Fay <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: HR 2510 Antenna on Plasitc Car
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 06:02:25 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Help!!!!!!

I have a Pontiac Transport that I would like to place an antenna to work
with an HR-2510 27 mHz range.  The only antenna's that I have tried so
far are the "Radio Shack - through the window type" and a small highly
loaded window clip on.  Both have a very low bandwidth and short 2-3
mile range.

I know that all magnetic mounts are off because the only exposed metal
are the lug nuts.  " I could get 4 Wilson 1000's and mount them on the
flat side on each wheel and look like a Roman Chariot Racer"

Anyway, does anyone out there have any Ideas or Experience with this
plastic problem.


Mike Fay
" Ground is Ground the world around - Unless your in a Pontiac
Transport"


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:56 1996
From: [e-mail] (Martin T. Vinson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 440 Mhz repeater
Date: 25 May 1996 08:10:12 GMT
Message-ID: <4o6f94$[e-mail]>
References: <4nt9qj$[e-mail]>
Keywords: repeater reliability 440

In article <4nt9qj$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>
>> Hey there guys, I was wondering if any of you could shed some light on
a
>>440 machine. .....

Real hams don't buy repeaters at a store or via mail order....

They build them....

Making them work and keeping them running is half the fun...

If you just want to talk and not actively involve yourself in the
operation and maintenance of a repeater, join a club and use theirs...

UG.



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:57 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: SURVEY: How long did it take you to pass 13wpm code test?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 02:17:01 GMT

charles copeland <[e-mail]> wrote:
>This is a survey to determine the average time it takes one
>to learn 13wpm CW. I've heard people claim 2 weeks to 2 years.
>Took me one year.

Took me one week to get to 5wpm. Then got on the air as a Novice and
had a ball with my DX-60 xmtr, working CW stations all over the country.
My code speed went up real fast while having loads of fun - didn't
consider it any work at all. So list my entry in your survey as 1 week
of a little work, and about 4 weeks of pure fun to get up to 13.

The whole point of the Novice license is to build your code speed *on
the air* while having a great time - no one should think of building
one's code speed as work. If you do then you're attempting to circumvent
the purpose of the Novice license.

73 from warm and humid Hawaii,
Jeff KH2PZ
(Looking for a cheap source of 6LB6 tubes)


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:58 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <CSLE87-2405961629500001@145.39.1.10> <4o5h9j$[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 22:53:41 GMT

<[e-mail]> wrote:
>(Karl Beckman) writes:
>>[e-mail] (Jeffrey H.) writes:

>>> (Keep in mind that voice is just about as old a mode as CW. Hence, if
>>> CW is archaic, then so is voice.)

>>Actually I think you'll find that people were talking to each other long
>>before Morse code was devised in the late 19th century.

>Interesting.... I think we should kill Latin too.... :) BTW didn't this threa
d
>started with someone saying that over 50% of whatever people's abilities
>is below whatever (forgot which one was it.... the thread is getting long..)

Okay boys, you know I meant "voice as a radio communications mode"!!!
The fact still stands that voice (as a radio mode) is just about as old
as Continue Wave (CW) transmissions; both came along in the early 20s.

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:59 1996
From: [e-mail] (David L. Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone heard of or tried Ten-Tec kits?
Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 04:34:51 GMT
Message-ID: <4obec7$[e-mail]>
References: <5197cc$10102e.103@NEWS>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Dan Mouer) wrote:

>I used to like the Heathkit concept of building your own electronics, but the
y
>dropped all their ham stuff in the 80's.  I recently found out about Ten-Tec
>and would like to know if anyone has had any experiences with them. Are they
a
>reliable company? Are their kits any good? etc.
>Any info is appreicated.
>Thanks.

>-Dan (N3XJN).

Dan,

I know several people that have built the 6 meter transverter and
think its good.  Only negative is that instructions still need some
work to equal Heathkit.

Dave K4JRB



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:45:59 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jens Goerke)
Subject: Re: Terminology question
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4n3u9b$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4nodjr$[e-mail]> <4nsjsk$[e-mail]> <4nt8db$[e-mail]> <4ntmqn$[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 18:23:32 GMT

Thomas E. Hughes ([e-mail]) wrote:
> I have a problem that's giving me fits.  I need to translate the German
> word "Grenzwellensender".  The dictionary says "minimum-wave
> transmitter", but that sounds odd to me.  Is it correct?
> The transmitter in question is used for local voice transmission at sea
> using frequencies in the 100 to 300 meter range (between HF and VHF).
> The literal translation of the German word "Grenzwelle" is "border
> wave"  or "boundary wave".
> I would be most grateful for any clues,  posted here or email.

"Grenzwelle" is the frequency range between medium wave ("Mittelwelle")
and short wave ("Kurzwelle"), named IMHO because it's on the border
between these two. The German word "Grenze" means border, boundary,
barrier or limit, depending on context. I would translate
"Grenzwellensender" as "maritime transmitter, 120m band".

Hope that helps,
        Jens, DB9LL
--
Do _YOU_ know where your towel is?


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:00 1996
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: German hams
Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 11:03:39 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4o3gpo$[e-mail]>

Roy Lewallen wrote:
>
> You mean the German hams on the air now are the same ones that were on in

Many are.
And the psyche of the newer ones is the same as those referred
to in the book.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                            MAC is 5% of the market  |
#======================================================================#

Why is it that if you disagree with what I have to say, you feel
compelled to call my employer? Do it if you must but you better be good
at it. If you do not kill the king, the king will kill you.


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:01 1996
From: Martin Davies <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Subject: Anyone know how to contact K9AY?
Date: Tue, 28 May 96 21:37:13 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Hi, I'm trying to find a way to contact K9AY, Gary A. Breed, who
is (or was in 1994) the Editor and Associate Publisher of the
journal "RF Design", the address for which is 6300 S Syracuse
Way, Suite 650, Englewood, CO 80111.

I'm very interested in Gary's patent-pending design for
closely-coupled-resonator antennas which was published in the
Nov 1994 issue of the journal and would like to discuss several
points with him; however so far I've been unable to find any
email or packet radio addresses for him.  Does anyone know how
to get in touch with him (apart from snail-mail)?

By the by, has anyone else tried the c-c-r type of antenna?  I
would be interested in hearing from anyone who has.

73 es TIA,
--
Martin Davies, G0HDB
BBS @ GB7GLO.#46.GBR.EU
DXCluster > GB7DXC


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:02 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steve Kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.swap
Subject: Re: HR 2600 Service Manual needed.
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 18:09:02 GMT
Message-ID: <4oi7cj$[e-mail]>
References: <4od24g$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Vince Fiscus,  KB7ADL) wrote:


>I need the service manual for the Uniden(President) HR 2600.

>I'll Pay Copy costs and postage for mailing.

>73 de KB7ADL

>[e-mail]

You should be able to order it from Uniden.  Go to their web page at:

www.uniden.com

and get the number for ordering parts.

Steve
WB7PSD



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:03 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Creates New CB Service (FRS) on 462 MHz Band
Date: Tue, 21 May 96 18:11:03 GMT
Message-ID: <4nt557$[e-mail]>
References: <4njh0g$[e-mail]> <4nk21p$[e-mail]> <4nncgp$[e-mail]> <4nnu7u$[e-mail]> <4nobt8$[e-mail]> <4np0bt$[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:

>In your previous post, you lamented about how 11-meters was given
>to the CB'ers all those years ago.  Sounds like whining to me.

You should be very good at recognizing whining.

Anyway, I've already told you that 11 meters was just an example
of what happens when people get something for nothing.

>Socialist Security (hey, I like that one!) is redistribution of
>wealth, pure and simple.  As ridiculous as the code requirements
>are in this day and age, at least they don't take money out of my
>pocket.  I fail to see the similarity.

Spectrum is wealth too, and you're demanding that the government
redistribute it to you.  That can't happen unless it's at someone
else's expense.  The principle is the same.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:04 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dean)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Code/No Code
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 01:37:57 GMT
Message-ID: <4o33ru$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

(hal) wrote:

>I got started in Amateur Radio with the help of an Elmer. I have been
>studying the code for a couple of weeks now.
>After reading all the posts on this issue. I think I will toss my
>practice key and tapes and forget about the hobby as I can see no
>reason to communicate with such a crowd!


Hey Hal,

Fortunately these guys don't get on the air.  Their main purpose in
life is to complain about the accomplishments of others while
accomplishing nothing themselves.


           C. Dean Norris
      Amateur Radio Station K7NO
      e-mail to [e-mail]
    http://www.syspac.com/~dnorris/



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:05 1996
From: "Ken Bessler (KG0WX)" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Popular repeaters
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 16:51:11 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

My wife (KB0PWD) and I will be traveling to PA in 4 weeks. The repeater guide
tell us about all the repeaters along our route but what we really need to
know is which ones are the most popular and/or have the best range? We will
be on 2 meters.

To all those out there near these routes:

        I-70 from Kansas City, MO to Columbus, OH and on to Youngtown, OH.
        Youngstown, OH on I-80 into central PA.

Please e-mail me any relevant repeater info you may have. I seem to remember
a nice multi band linked system in the St. Louis area on 147.21 and a wide
area linked system in Ohio on 145.19?

        73's To all and we'll listen for ya!
--

                                Ken Bessler KG0WX
                                Design Services Company
                                http://www2.southwind.net/~kg0wx
                                Model railroad designing


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:06 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steve Bonine)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Namespace Purity Considered Harmful (re: boatanchors)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 23 May 96 22:34:44 -0600
References: <4nt1ii$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) w
rites:
>
> Yes, the proponent sent tale a copy of the RFD. David sent back an email
> (which was forwarded to me) saying he was not pleased with the name.

OK.  So either change the name and resubmit the RFD, or submit the RFD with
a note that you wish to stick with the original name.  Continuing to beat
this dead horse with no RFD is pointless.  If tale refuses to approve the
RFD with "boatanchor" in the name, that's a different issue, and we're not
there yet.  ("I am not pleased with the name." is not the same as "I will
not accept your RFD.".)

While I'm using bandwidth on this issue, I want to add my voice to several
others and point out that calm statements of fact are likely to be more
effective in getting the group passed than ranting.  The people who are
offering you advice are not out to get you; they are trying to help.  If you
explain why you believe that your chosen name is better than alternatives,
people will listen; if you insult people they'll just get mad.

--
Steve Bonine
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:07 1996
Date: 27 May 1996 07:23:48 EDT
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Hugh Duff)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4oavc9$[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Don't be tricked!!!!...code is it !!!!!


>       "CK's Ode to Dah Code"
>       (by Gary Spence -VA2CK- Aylmer,Qc  [e-mail])
>
____________________________CLIP________________________________-
>
>             So I say to you now don't get fooled when some say...
>             "Codes an' old dinosaur fadin' away!"
>             It's part of our past,present and future existence...
>             anti-coders prepare for "beaucoup de resistence"
>
>


Excellent !!!

Hugh Duff  VA3TO  Toronto



---
 ■ NFX v1.3 [000]


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:08 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VW Rabbit spark noise
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 12:48:16 GMT
Message-ID: <4nv5nk$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Howard Cohen <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Hello All,

>I have a friend with a 1982 VW rabbit (gas) with a seroius spark plug
>noise problem.  He has changed to Bosch Plat. plugs.  That helped some
>but its still a problem.  Do any of you have any suggestions.  He will
>be visiting here on Thursday (5/23) and I will give his your replies.
>Thanks

>Howie Cohen
>WA2TVE
>Utica, NY


Try covering the entire ignition system (spark plug wires, coil
wire, etc) with some braid and ground it. If that doesn't work,
he could always buy a real car or pull of the side of the road
and turn off the motor when he wants to use the radio.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:09 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steve Bonine)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Namespace Purity Considered Harmful (re: boatanchors)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 23 May 96 16:52:17 -0600
References: <4nt1ii$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wr
ites:
> Steve Bonine <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> [e-mail](Jim Lowman) writes:
>
>>>> Of course, all of this is moot unless the proponent gets around to
>>>> putting up a RFD - seems like we've already had the discussion.
>
>>> I understand it was forwarded to David Lawrence weeks ago....
>
>>And I understand that it was not.
>>Steve Bonine
>
> Well Steve, why would he have voiced his displeasure with the group's
> name if he hadn't received the RDF?

Someone asked him?

Until there's an RFD or the proponent says that tale refuses to approve it,
there's nothing more to discuss.  The horse is bloody.

--
Steve Bonine
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:10 1996
From: [e-mail] (Leigh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SURVEY: How long did it take you to pass 13wpm code test?
Date: 25 May 1996 03:16:20 GMT
Message-ID: <4o5u24$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4o32lc$[e-mail]> <4o47so$[e-mail]>

I spent about two months of listening to 5wpm tapes before taking the
Novice test.  (I passed in one try.)

To pass the 13wpm, I first started out listening to tapes, but kept
memorizing them, so I started doing on-air CW, mostly in the 15 meter
Novice band.  For me, listening to the variety of "fists" on the air, and
trying to copy them under somtimes noisy band conditions, was much better
practice than listening to the same old tapes.  Also, as not being able to
copy the other station is downright embarrasing, there is more incentive
to copy correctly.

While I flunked my first 13wpm test, I did pass the second one, about 6
months after I started doing on-air CW several times a week.  And I still
love the 15 meter Novice band: when it is open, it has a very low noise
and QRM level, plus many good "fists" sending in the 12 to 18 wpm range,
as well as many DX stations.

One of these years I'm gonna go for the 20wpm/Extra test, but I'm in no
hurry.  I still try to make a few short CW contacts a month, to keep my
13wpm skill alive.

73.  --Leigh Marrin/KM6JE in Santa Barbara.



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:11 1996
From: [e-mail] (Kc7iay)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ladies Home Journal slams HAMs
Date: 23 May 1996 10:36:41 -0400
Message-ID: <4o1t5p$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Kc7iay)

Following provided for your info. I disagree with a previous
person who said no more letters should be written.  This is plain
misleading and a disgusting slam against legal, licensed, ham radio
operators.

Just so happens there is an article about interference in the June
1996 issue of QST, page 75.

From the June 1996 Ladies' Home Journal, page 86 - Consumer
News--How Long Should It Last?  Cordless phone was one of five
products.  Article in total on cordless phone:

"Cordless Telephone:
This type of phone lasts about five years.  If you keep the
batteries charged, and don't damage the antenna or punch the the
buttons too hard, you can get more mileage from your phone, says
[Lisa] Fasold of CEMA [Consumer Electronics Manufacturers
Association]. There is little you can do about static, except to
report those who cause it--illegal airwave users, such as amateur
radio stations--to
the  FCC."

LHJ's email address is:  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:12 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Christain County Ham Busted (fwd)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <Pine.SV4.3.91.960521194930.11577B-100000@uhunix3> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 23:25:34 GMT

Regarding what appears below, it again looks as if someone is a little
paranoid. Got something to hide?

>WARNING:         WARNING:         WARNING:         WARNING:
>WARNING:
>This computer account contains private messages in transmission and in
>storage.
>No government agency may search or seize this equiptment without meeting
>ALL
>of the special warrant and subpoena requirements of:
>18 USC 2510 and 2701 et seq. (Electronic Communications Pricvacy Act),
>42 USC 2000aa et seq. (Privacy Protection Act),
>The 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th Amendments to the Constitution of the
>     United States of America, as they apply to press, speech, and
>     public assembly.

>I THINK THAT'S A GREAT .sig FILE!!

I think it's silly. Any authorities who suspect you're up to no good
will already know the lawful means of gathering evidence against you.
Just be a good law-abiding citizen and you won't have any sleepless
nights worrying that someone is perusing your home directory.

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:13 1996
From: [e-mail] (Floyd Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.robotics.misc,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Future postings of L.O.S.A ?
Date: 27 May 1996 16:54:50 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4ocmoq$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4o45fb$[e-mail]> <4o4pbo$[e-mail]> <4o6bgu$[e-mail]> <4oaav2$[e-mail]>

In article <4oaav2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>
>In article <4o6bgu$[e-mail]>,
>Richard Steven Walz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>I am simply puzzled why people are not
>>availing themselves of all the local ISP's who almost invariably offer
>>unlimited untimed access for under $20.00 a month! Many are only $15 !!
>
>Oh Yeah? Please find just a single one for me in Madisonville, Texas.
>A lot of the people getting soaked by some providers have only
>one choice and even that one requires a long-distance phone call.
>Seems you can't see the forest for for the skyscrapers.
>
>73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)
>
>
try AT&T or MCI, $19.95 per month unliminted time!!!!!
73's
--
Floyd of Fort Brown
Procrastination is my game



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:15 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: Wed, 22 May 96 15:11:33 GMT
Message-ID: <4nvf0t$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4ne2cv$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4nsq94$[e-mail]> <4ntbjf$[e-mail]> <4nv5t0$[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:
>[e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:

>>Posts like this continue to show how little you know about HF.

>You want me to send you TAPES?  75m, 40m, 20m, 2m...take your pick!

No, I want you to listen to all the QSO's about antennas, politics,
packet, economics, computers, home improvement, speakers, space
missions, animal care, soil conductivity, software, government,
gardening, life in Italy, meteorology, microphones, cars, office
supplies, high-power amplifiers, pesticides, fishing, hunting,
bicycles, wood working, motorcycles, electronics troubleshooting,
vacation areas, the Internet, occupational hazards, test equipment,
geometry, sea life, contact lenses, directional couplers, etc., etc.

>>You should either learn the subject you're discussing or find
>>another one.  On a scale of 1 to 10, your credibility is -1.

>The truth hurts, doesn't it?

You would have to be able to recognize it first.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:16 1996
From: "Andrew D. Lawlor" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 19:58:50 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nb9mb$[e-mail]> <4nc7vt$[e-mail]> <4ng2gh$[e-mail]> <4nisij$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Drew Durigan wrote:
>
> >I expect this sort of bickering
> >will never end until 1.) the FCC finally comes to its senses and 2.)
> all
> >of those of you who both remember these times and are too set in your
> >ways to change DIE OFF.
>
> And it's happening, even as we speak.  Every day, a few more of the most
> adamant pro-coders, the ones that refuse to allow others into their "good
> 'ol boys" private club on HF, the ones who say "I had to learn it so you
> do too", pass on to that great brass key in the sky.  As they go silent
> key, more and more new, young, hams take their place...most of which have
> no interest nor desire to bother with an antiquated mode of communication
> like Morse.
>
> It's just a matter of time.
>
Is it the hams that "refuse to allow others into their '"good 'ol boys"' priva
te  club"
or is it the FCC and the ITU?

Oh, and BTW, those new, young hams will not really be taking the place of the
oldtimers until they pass their code tests.  :)

73  Andy KC6NMD


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:16 1996
From: Edward Oros <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HR 2510 Antenna on Plasitc Car
Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 20:12:19 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Mike Fay wrote:
>
> Help!!!!!!
>
> I have a Pontiac Transport that I would like to place an antenna to work
> with an HR-2510 27 mHz range.  The only antenna's that I have tried so
> far are the "Radio Shack - through the window type" and a small highly
> loaded window clip on.  Both have a very low bandwidth and short 2-3
> mile range.
>
> I know that all magnetic mounts are off because the only exposed metal
> are the lug nuts.  " I could get 4 Wilson 1000's and mount them on the
> flat side on each wheel and look like a Roman Chariot Racer"
>
> Anyway, does anyone out there have any Ideas or Experience with this
> plastic problem.
>
> Mike Fay
> " Ground is Ground the world around - Unless your in a Pontiac
> Transport"

Can you use a 1/4 wave whip out the back of the car? Make a mounting
plate that extends in under the car and attaches to the frame there.

AC3L


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:18 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gary Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Lat-Long Conversion
Date: 29 May 1996 05:26:37 GMT
Message-ID: <4ogn6d$[e-mail]>
References: <4of52h$[e-mail]>

Eugene L. Olson - KC0RL ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I am looking for DOS or Windows software that will convert degrees,
: minutes and seconds to decimal degrees of latitude and longitude.
: Also to convert from decimal degrees of latitude and longitude back to
: degrees minutes and seconds.
: I sure would appreciate it if someone could point me to a good
: program.  I know how to do it on a calculator but it is just a little
: bit cumbersome to do it that way if you have a lot of conversions to
: do.  Thanks for listning.

If you are using Windows 3.1 , you already have one built in.  Take a look
at the windows calculator....it does the conversions automatically.

--
73,
Gary K9GS
   __________________
  /       K9GS       |______________________________
 /   FP/K9GS, TO5M   |Society of Midwest Contesters |____________________
(                    |   [e-mail]   |Secretary/Treasurer/
 \   Gary Schwartz   |   [e-mail]    | Greater Milwaukee/
  \__________________|     PacketCluster: NB9C      |  DX Association (
                   (________________________________|       GMDXA      \
                                                  (_____________________\



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:19 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: No CODE No CW on HF
Date: 21 May 1996 07:03:02 -0700
Message-ID: <4nsiem$[e-mail]>
References: <4n3u9b$[e-mail]> <4nbldl$[e-mail]> <4nc6ck$[e-mail]> <4nl8v7$[e-mail]> <4nncfu$[e-mail]> <4nnudb$[e-mail]> <4nobtv$[e-mail]> <4np0l5$[e-mail]>

>
>Or don't us Tech-Plus guys count either, 'cause we only have 5WPM?  Are
>we also not "real hams", like the no-coders?
>
>
>-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
> KF4DDM

  Hello Drew,
             Still beating the drums for the lowest common denominator,
eh? Still want hf privileges for all? Still want to make hf phone operation
a right for all non/semi achievers? Still whining about about those that
have a little more talent, skill, brains, knowledge, initiative, etc. than
you? If you spent as much time applying yourself to the task of upgrading,
and less time snivelling about the unfairness of life, you could probably
have it all, with the pride and moral righteousness of earning it. I and
others owe you squat! Laziness/incompetence is owed nothing, and has no
claim in my world. I, and a bunch of others, wanna free lunch. You wanna
feed me? You think you have enough to go around?

   I think you have forgotten the last lesson about big dogs, Drew.

   Have a nice day.

                                     Pete/wa4hei




From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:20 1996
From: Steve Butler <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: beep after tx
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:06:17 -0700
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960522110359.21048B-100000@seatimes>
References: <4nu635$[e-mail]>


Why do you want to transmit a beep after your speech?  Easiest way is to
get a repeater to listen in on your frequency and have everybody else
listen in on the repeater's output frequency.  The repeater should
provide the beep shortly after you stop transmitting.  Of course, not all
repeaters are set up to do that so you might have to shop around for an
appropriate repeater.  That way you don't have to modify your rig.

On Wed, 22 May 1996, Antonio R. Bruno da Cunha wrote:

> Please, can anyone tell me how can I transmit a "beep" after my
> speech. I have a Yaesu FT-530 HT. Thanks
> PU2YAQ email : [e-mail]
>
>
>

+----------------------------------------------------+
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From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:21 1996
From: [e-mail] (Tony Pelliccio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Moron speaks!!
Date: 24 May 1996 20:27:14 -0400
Message-ID: <4o5k52$[e-mail]>
References: <4o2j3t$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
Ronald Bouthillier <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Well I don't believe I am right about everything but you and Mike are
>not right also. I think we would like to get the same thing out of the
>hobby but it will not come from what Mike and others are putting out
>over the world.
>The bad thing is that the only person that is getting hurt by this is
>someone that isn't even bothering with the 70 repeater and don't wish to
>so all the persons talking about him should stop and let it go and find
>others that are doing the jamming now and stop blaming JBC for
>everything that happens on 70 that they don't like.
>
>I hope you can see my point of view.

Are you a complete nitwit? It's not just the 146.700 repeater that
N1JBC was caught on, there were a few others. You've just fallen
into the "Poor Little Blind Boy" trap and can't get up.

Tony



--
== Tony Pelliccio, KD1NR
== As offensive as I wanna be.
== [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:22 1996
From: [e-mail] (James W. KELLEY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: 28 May 1996 19:58:24 GMT
Message-ID: <4oflt0$[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
Mike B  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>At the first EMP during the next global fracas, there 'aint gonna be any
>"no-code" communication then it'll be back to hill top beacon fires and
>Aldis Lamps...the second coming of Samuel Morse's code plus the return of
>Semaphore.

Might also put this code argument a little more into focus, and shed some
daylight on the relative importance of amateur radio licensing in the grand
scheme of things.

Though in the scenario you describe, in which survivors would
be struggling to find food and shelter, I expect there would still be
a ham sitting at a radio somewhere, worrying about whether the other
fellow knows his code and has worked hard enough to share the airwaves
with him.

>
>Cheers....Mike
>

Cheers, and 73

Jim



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:23 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Erik K.Sorgatz)
Subject: Re: FCC Approves the Family Radio Service
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4nm1sl$[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 19:02:37 GMT

In article <4nm1sl$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Drew D
urigan) writes:
>Wait 'til "YE OLDE FAHRTZ" get wind of this and realize that the FCC has
>given final approval for creation of the Family Radio Service on 460Mhz.
>I can hear it now...WAH! "They didn't have to pass any tests", WAH! "They
>didn't have to learn Morse Code", etc.  "Back when I got my ham ticket,
>right after the war ended, why I had to walk 200 miles in 10' snowdrifts
>to the FCC office to get my ticket..." yada, yada, yada... "It's gonna be
>another CB mess", etc.
>
>Let the whining begin!
>
>
>-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
> KF4DDM
>

 Oh sigh. Drew, as silly as you sometimes are, I have to admit this *did*
make me smile! thanks! (Wanna know WHY the FCC approved the FRS?? Look for
my next follow-up...)

73!


[e-mail] (or:[e-mail]) KB6LUY (private email:eks@westwo
rld.com)
TTI 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. Santa Monica, CA  90405
"ANY COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS MADE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF CITICORP, ITS SU
BSIDIARIES
OR AFFILIATES." (Copyright 1995, ARR-permission to store/archive hereby grante
d)


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:24 1996
From: [e-mail] (Teacherjh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What is CTCSS subaudible tones?
Date: 17 May 1996 21:06:39 -0400
Message-ID: <4nj7qv$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Teacherjh)

>>
Could someone tell me what CTCSS is or point me to a FAQ, etc.
<<
CTCSS (COntinuous Tone Coded Squelch System, or somethign like that)
sometimes called PL, (which is the Motorola trademark... "Private Line")
is a "subaudible" tone that is transmitted along with the regular audio.
It is in
the frequency range of 60 - 200 Hz or so, and is definately audible if you
listen
for it.  A radio so equipped and set, listens for the tone when it
recieves a transmission,
and only opens the squelch if it hears the proper tone... it closes the
squelch when
that tone disappears.

It allows multple (though not simultaneous) users of the same frequency to

not have to hear each other... the radio stays squelched until YOUR tone
comes up.  It is also used to prevent repeaters from retransmitting audio
without the tone, so interference is reduced.  IF a repeater retransmits
that
tone, then you can set YOUR radio on PL and turn the regular squelch
way down.... you will be able to listen to weaker signals with less
annoyance
that way.

hope this helps.    Jose    KD1SB


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:25 1996
From: [e-mail] (Andy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Really confused :-\
Date: 23 May 1996 20:27:03 +0100
Message-ID: <4o2e67$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4nj21u$[e-mail]>

Gerard Foley ([e-mail]) wrote:
: daniel wilson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: : I am very confused about what equipment is needed to partcipate in
: : packet radio networking, etc. I often come across pages that say you
: : need an FM radio, is that just an everyday FM radio that sits in your
: : HIFI ? or is it more complicated. What about antenae ? How big do they
: : need to be ? do you need them at all if you are using an FM radio ???

:    In the UK licensing is not through the U.S.F.C.C.  Try the
: Radio Society of Great Britain for info.  Maybe some member will
: supply an address, and so on.  Good Luck and cheerio

I think the address is :-

RSGB
Lambda House
Cranborne Road
Potters Bar
Herts
EN6 3JE

Andy, G7UEH

--

Brook's Law:
        Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:26 1996
From: [e-mail] (Nick England)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone heard of or tried Ten-Tec kits?
Date: 28 May 1996 11:37:44 -0400
Distribution: usa
Message-ID: <4of6k8$[e-mail]>
References: <5197cc$10102e.103@NEWS> <4obec7$[e-mail]>

I just finished building the Ten-Tec 2m FM transceiver kit. I had a lot
of fun (reminded me of the old days building Heath, Knight, and Eico
kits). The manual was clearly written and *informative*. Ten-Tec
honestly seems to want to make sure you understand what you are doing
and how your gear works. Bravo for them! The assembly is accomplished in
sections and testing takes place after each phase - you get a working
control panel first, VCO second, rcvr next, and then xmtr.

The completed transceiver works well, is good value for money, and
taught me something about modern equipment design. Oh yeah, I had
fun building it and (obviously) feel good about having built something
that works well.

I also have a Ten-Tec OMNI VI (top of the line HF xcvr)
 and have been extremely pleased with it
and with Ten-tec's attitude toward customer satisfaction - they are
really great people with whom to do business .

I've got no connection to Ten-Tec other than being a happy customer.
There aren't any more Heathkits, but Ten-Tec is a very worth modern
equivalent.
Nick KD4CPL
--
-----------
Nick England  [e-mail]   KD4CPL
http://www.cs.unc.edu/~nick



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:27 1996
From: [e-mail] (Kevin Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur
Subject: New News Group - rec.radio.amateur.repeater
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 21:18:29 GMT
Message-ID: <4o5cdb$[e-mail]>


I would to get interest in opening a new news group and listing it
under the name of

"rec.radio.amateur.repeater"

I feel that there is enough inforation that floats around in the other
news group that could be put into a repeater news group of it's own.

What is everyone thoughts on this.

If you like the idea, let me know with a vote for it. The more
responce I get the more chance I will have in getting the news group
added.

Thanks

Kevin ZL1UDD

[e-mail]


E-mail: [e-mail]
Packet: ZL1UDD@ZL1AB.#11.NZL.OC
:Amateur Radio helped Pioneer
 the way the World Communicates
 Today.:



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:28 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: Tim Nagle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: CW is Cool!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:52:21 GMT
References: <sgoller-2405960913500001@198.175.8.3>

Sam Goller wrote:
>
> First off, I am 36.  I own a CB (2 in fact) and I am _not_ a Ham.
> However, I spend about 4 hours a day monitoring operators on my scanner or
> shortwave and I'm studying for the Tech Class-No Code license.

Congradulations on your start.  I wish you good luck.

> ... But mostly, I love to learn."

An excellent motivation.  It is also refreshing to hear.

> Once I get my No Code license, I look forward to "learning" more and
> studying code.

Good luck here as well.  I'm sure you will get lots of good advice
here if you ask for it.  I took the same approach you did.  I had
been interested in Amature Radio since High School but couldn't get
past the code.  The NC-Tech got me into the hobby and I was able to
meet several good Elmers.  With their instruction I got my Tech +
and am now working on getting past the 10 wpm plateau.


Again, good luck,
73
Tim Nagle
KB0QOM
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:29 1996
From: [e-mail] (Vince Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FT-530 and 800 RX
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 21:08:57 GMT
Message-ID: <4offg2$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4nvjjp$[e-mail]> <4o21n6$[e-mail]> <4obd7u$[e-mail]> <4ochds$[e-mail]>

Well, I did the mod but with no result. I really don't have any use
for 800 mHz, but I was curious. Possibly the mod directions were in
error. One of these days I'll open it up, when I get all of the other
broken radios around here fixed :) TNX and 73

[e-mail] (JJ Martin) wrote:

>[e-mail] (Vince Roberts) wrote:

>>[e-mail] (JJ Martin) wrote:

>>>My FT-530 is after the Lot 33 vintage (you can tell by looking at the
>>>serial number).

>>Whivh part of the SN tells the lot? Mine is 4J30020C. Any idea?

>It appears your radio is from Lot 30 Vince.  If that is so, your
>FT-530 is one of the older ones and has the 800 RX capability.

>Cheers...and all that.    jim, wk1v


--------------------------------------------------------------
 Vince Roberts         e-mail - [e-mail]
 Rochester, NY         packet - N2XMT@WB2WXQ.#WNY.NY.USA.NOAM
 [phone]         Fido   - 1:2613/313
--------------------------------------------------------------



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:30 1996
From: Dave Hand <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: beep after tx
Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 11:52:30 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4nu635$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4ob34n$[e-mail]>

JJ Martin wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (Walter R Francis) wrote:
>
> >On 21-May-96 22:40:20, Antonio R. Bruno da Cunha articulated:
>
> >>Please, can anyone tell me how can I transmit a "beep" after my
> >>speech. I have a Yaesu FT-530 HT. Thanks
>
> >I got a copy on you, fo' roga'!  *BEEP*
>
> >I have my DJ580 send out "YEAH BUDDY" when I unkey.
>
> >10-4?
>
> Isn't this rather a rude way to speak to someone from another
> country where things are very different from where they are
> in this country?
>
> Talk about international good will...And you have HF privileges?
>
>  jim, wk1v

I  agree, Nasa was the originator of the over Beep, Not our favorite
Good buddys on 11m. It can be a helpfull end of transmission indicator,
too bad its gotten such a bad wrap from the association with CBers.

Dave Hand Wb4hyp


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:32 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: HF Band Plan Listing?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4ntl9i$[e-mail]> <4o1vod$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4o3t1a$[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 22:55:04 GMT

Jim Kehler <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:
>>Jim Kehler <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>>For the most part the digital stuff stays in the upper region of
>>>the CW part of most of the HF bands.

>>I'm curious how well the digital modes are able to work in that region
>>of 40M where the foreign broadcasters live. Any problems at all?
>>As young-pup novices rockbound on 40M, we'd use the broadcasters in place
>>of a BFO. Our novice net met about 1 kc from Radio Moscow. News, music,
>>and code all at the same time!

>Jeff,  Nothing works well on 40 meters under a broadcast
>carrier.  There are some Indonesian stations out here running
>packet on 40 but I have no idea how successful they are.
>Our 40 meter band is a bit smaller than yours - we can't
>go above 7.100, and our phone band is 7.075 to 7.100.

My goodness, Jim! Does this actually mean "CW can get through when
nothing else can"? I know for a fact that CW QSOs can take place
on the skirt of those SWBC stations (that's where we held our Novice
net).

This is a wonderful revelation. Okay, the code debate can now officially
end. Thank-you all for participating for the last several years.

Live better through Morse,
Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:33 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Lat-Long Conversion
Date: 29 May 1996 14:12:37 GMT
Message-ID: <4ohm0l$[e-mail]>
References: <4of52h$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Jim Harvey)


In a previous article, [e-mail] (Eugene L. Olson - KC0RL) says:

>I am looking for DOS or Windows software that will convert degrees,
>minutes and seconds to decimal degrees of latitude and longitude.
>Also to convert from decimal degrees of latitude and longitude back to
>degrees minutes and seconds.
>I sure would appreciate it if someone could point me to a good
>program.  I know how to do it on a calculator but it is just a little
>bit cumbersome to do it that way if you have a lot of conversions to
>do.  Thanks for listning.
>

I have a Casio calculator that makes this easy to do.  It has a degrees-
minutes-seconds key, you enter degrees, hit the key, enter minutes, hit
the key, enter seconds, hit  the key.  The display converts to decimal
fraction.  The calculator is an Fx-115M and was only about $15.  I
bought it because it does hex to decimal conversions as  well.

I have used the degrees-minutes-seconds key to add up times too, like
to see if the blank tape I have is long enough to  copy a record.

Using a calculator to do this will be just as fast as using a computer.
The time is in the data entry.
P

--
Jim Harvey - WB8NBS - 18538 Inkster - Redford, Mich.  48240    Amiga Person
    [e-mail]   |   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:35 1996
From: "Andrew D. Lawlor" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 19:54:50 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <4nb9mb$[e-mail]> <4nc7vt$[e-mail]> <4nd67f$[e-mail]> <4nfu8i$[e-mail]> <4ngtop$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Curtis D. Levin wrote:
>

>
> Do you think the popularity of 2 meters and 440 has anything to do with
> the swelling of the no-code tech licenses right now?

Yes, I'm sure it does.  Considering the remaining VHF/UHF bands are already
sparsely populated, why would a codeless tech want to invest his hard earned
money on equipment that wouldn't allow him/her to talk to anyone?

> How about the fact
> that propagation is pretty low ? Maybe why noone is knocking down doors to
> try and get on HF.

From what I can see, no-code hams are trying just that by whining about
having to copy 5wpm CW in order to get on HF.  Reduce the alledgedly difficult

requirements and there would be more hams on hf than you could shake a straigh
t
key at.

> Alot of the problem is, the lower you go, the more room
> you require for an antenna. Could be one of the reasons, since alot of
> younger hams are living in apts right now, too.

You must be right on this one.  No hams lived in apartment buildings before
the nocode license became available.  That must be the reason.  Are you trying
to say that if tomorrow the FCC said, "all no-code techs can now operate SSB
on 80 meters," there wouldn't be a tremendous rush of codeless techs on 80M?

73 Andy KC6NMD


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:36 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steve KA4IQD)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kentucky Ham Busted
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 08:46:45 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4nseus$[e-mail]> <4o1m9o$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

On Thu, 23 May 1996 10:01:04 -0400, Ted F <[e-mail]>
wrote:

<snip>
>The HTX-202 can NOT recieve or transmit out of band.  I'm not even sure it is
 MARS/CAP
>compatable!  Check for back issues of CQ VHF.  They printed an article about
scanner
>laws.  In the article, it said that the FCC issued a ruling that exempted HAM
 radios
>from scanner laws across the US.  I have a copy of the reprinted statement fr
om the FCC
>somewhere in my truck just in case.( of course, I'd have to FIND it first )
>Ted F.
>N3SQY

One aspect of all of this is that Ky. exempted hams from our scanner
laws a couple of years back.  Even without an FCC exemption it would
still be legal for a ham to have a scanner in Ky.  I have never been
hassled about ANY of my radios in my car.  I do storm spotting for the
NWS here in Louisville and even have a pro-2035 in the car a lot of
the time.

The other big discrepancy is that it was stated that the radio in
question WAS the htx 202.  It looks like we are going to have to get
more information on this.  I'm trying, but so far no go.


73,
Steve KA4IQD
[e-mail]
Greetings from the Bluegrass State.  Home of the
1996 NCAA champion University of Kentucky Wildcat
basketball team.


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:37 1996
From: [e-mail] (Vince Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Code Quick
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 02:56:10 GMT
Message-ID: <4odffn$[e-mail]>
References: <4o9hjo$[e-mail]>

I can't say enough about Code Quick, but it's really for the beginner.
I received my package on a Friday and passed the 5 wpm the next
Thursday with 100% perfect copy. It's just foolproof using mnemonic
devices to memorize the alphabet. And I knew "A" and "T" before I
started :)

But I didn't find it of any great use in increasing speed. For that I
reccomend Morse Academy. I used it to pass the 20 wpm 30 days after
the 5 wpm test. Of course I spent 20 min three times a day for a month
at it. Whatever route you go it does require a small amount of effort.


Hey: if it was difficult I certainly wouldn't have done it :)

[e-mail] (eugene nick) wrote:

>I was just wondering how good id "CodeQuick" for a beginner or is it
>mainly to increase your speed?
>--
>       HERE'S TO A LONG LIFE AND MERRY ONE!
>          A QUICK DEATH AND A EASY ONE
>             A GOOD LOVER AND A TRUE ONE
>               A COLD BEER AND ANOTHER ONE!!!

--------------------------------------------------------------
 Vince Roberts         e-mail - [e-mail]
 Rochester, NY         packet - N2XMT@WB2WXQ.#WNY.NY.USA.NOAM
 [phone]         Fido   - 1:2613/313
--------------------------------------------------------------



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:39 1996
From: "Ken Bessler (KG0WX)" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Antenna for Van w/ compass in overhead console
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 23:27:36 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4og6dr$[e-mail]>
To: Wayne Ridley <[e-mail]>

Wayne Ridley wrote:
>
> Anyone have any recommendations for a suitable
> 2m antenna mount for a Chrysler van with the
> compass in the overhead console. Clearly a
> magnet mount will confuse the compass.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Wayne Ridley VE3 LFB

Hey Wayne, don't sweat it. I have 2 mag mounts on my roof (Hustler 2 meter
and Motorola 10 meter). They are mounted side by side right above the
headrest areas for the driver/front passenger.

Once I re-calibrated the compass, it worked just fine. I do suggest that you
put the antennas as far away from the compass as possible and use 2 if you
can (magnets will cancel each other out near the compass area). I think the
magic trick is to make a perfect triangle between all three points.

BTW: 87 Voyager LE


                                73!
--

                                Ken Bessler KG0WX
                                Design Services Company
                                http://www2.southwind.net/~kg0wx
                                Model railroad designing


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:41 1996
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Henry van Cleef)
Subject: Re: Namespace Purity Considered Harmful (re: boatanchors)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 17:46:28 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wri
tes:
>Steve Bonine <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> [e-mail](Jim Lowman) writes:
>
>>>> Of course, all of this is moot unless the proponent gets around to
>>>> putting up a RFD - seems like we've already had the discussion.
>
>>> I understand it was forwarded to David Lawrence weeks ago....
>
>>And I understand that it was not.
>
>Well Steve, why would he have voiced his displeasure with the group's
>name if he hadn't received the RDF?
>
If he's expressed his displeasure, it certainly has not been where I
could see it.

We are working with 0% facts and 100% opinions here.  It's up to the
proponents to get the facts in front of the interested people.  Get a
draft of the charter, etc. out here where we can see it and discuss
it.  If the news.announce.newsgroups moderator is simply sitting on
this proposal---and I see some indication that there is a long queue
of stuff that is waiting for him to post it----then post the draft
material sent to him giving the date it was sent so we can at least
see what we've been talking about the past three weeks.
--
===================================================================
Hank van Cleef                                The Union Institute
        E-mail [e-mail] or [e-mail]
===================================================================



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:42 1996
From: [e-mail] (David Seal)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 24 May 1996 19:51:00 GMT
Message-ID: <4o53v4$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4njpc0$[e-mail]> <4nlu31$[e-mail]> <4nsus6$[e-mail]> <4ntsin$[e-mail]> <4o1msu$[e-mail]> <dragonsl-2305961953290001@192.0.2.1> <4o3frf$[e-mail]>

[e-mail](michael silva) writes:

[This third level quote is from a posting of mine:]
>>>If just 0.1% of Usenet
>>>readers misunderstand something and react inappropriately, you've got
>>>thousands of people causing problems, and probably hundreds more
>>>coming on-line every month...)
>
>If the standard is better than 99.9% understanding than I don't see how
>any name can ever be chosen for any group.

Fortunately, it isn't. The words "and react inappropriately" are
important in what I said. It's more like 99.9% doing one of the
following:

* Understanding.

* Not understanding, and reacting appropriately - e.g. by reading the
  group for a while or deciding that they won't bother anyway.

* Misunderstanding, and still managing to react appropriately -
  e.g. by realising that there is a possibility that they have
  misunderstood and double-checking by reading the group.

Given the large number of lurkers around, it is highly likely that
most people who misunderstand or don't understand won't cause
problems. So in practice, I would reckon that a name that achieved 90%
understanding would certainly be fine, while one which got less than
50% understanding would probably not be. Where the boundary lies in
between is anyone's guess...

David Seal
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:44 1996
From: eugene@ loop.com
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SURVEY: How long did it take you to pass 13wpm code test?
Date: 26 May 1996 05:30:28 GMT
Message-ID: <4o8q9l$[e-mail]>
References: <4o3hv0$[e-mail]>

>   [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt ) writes:
>  In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (charles
>  copeland) writes:
>  >
>  >This is a survey to determine the average time it takes one
>  >to learn 13wpm CW. I've heard people claim 2 weeks to 2 years.
>  >
>  >Took me one year.
>  >
>
>  From 0 to 5 WPM 18 months found I had an interesting learning
>  disability.
>
>  From 5 to 13 WPM 14 months.
>
>  All in all it was the biggest waste of time in my life. I wouldn't wish
>  this nonsense on anyone. Based on interactions with pro code people
>  here on the net I will most likely never use it on HF. VHF/UHF weak
>  signal now that is another matter, gentlemen are to be found on those
>  bands and working them on any mode is a pleasure.
>
>  Didn't take a waiver just did it so I could have the pleasure of
>  telling the Code Nazis to kiss my ass. That is satisfaction enough.
>
>                  73 Jerry KK5YY
>
>>>>
Well it took me about  2 months to get from 5 to 13, and that was 15 years ago
. Recently it took me 2 - 3 months to get to 20 wpm, I
operate on CW about once every two years!  I suspect that I will use my extra
privilages as must as I have used the Advanced,
(3 times in 15 years). Why did I do it ? Just to have the personal satisfactio
n that I did it!!!

de E. Joe Orrico WB6HRO



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:45 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ron Atkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: 22 May 1996 00:46:38 GMT
Message-ID: <4nto5e$[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4nf3ld$[e-mail]>

Michael Van Meter ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (charles copeland) wrote:
:
: >I just got my general three days ago (KC5LWF/AG) and think it
: >was a big waste of my time. I would much rather spent the time
: >learning electronic RF theory than learning an obselete technology.
:
: That outdated technology will still get through when none of the other
: technologies will. That's the primary reason that it's still a
: requirement.

Of course the military is the exception. For high command level (commander
in chiefs) they dumped the outdated technology years ago and went to
spread spectrum with computers running it. It's more reliable and is
capable of transmitting extremely high speed when the other modes just
can't get through. What do you think they'd run if there was ever a
nuclear war, CW?  CW doesn't get through, spread spectrum does.

I've been licensed over 17 years and do have CW. Even took my 20 wpm at
the FCC office back in 79'. Today though I look at CW as a 'mode from
the past'. It has it's place in this hobby, it's fun to do, but I lost
interest in it entirely and havn't sent/received code in about 3
years or so, and I have no plans on using it again unless I get in the
mood to 'step into the past' and try an ancient mode of communications.
Then I'll enjoy it for nostalgic reasons, much the same way people
operate AM, 160m, or some other mode of band. They certainly aren't
efficient, it's more for enjoyment now.


--

Ron Atkinson           |   Internet: [e-mail]
Amateur Radio: N8FOW   |   http://www.n8fow.ampr.org/~n8fow



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:47 1996
From: Ed Hare <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ladies Home Journal slams HAMs
Date: 22 May 1996 19:47:46 GMT
Message-ID: <4nvr12$[e-mail]>
References: <4nrflu$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4nsk5g$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (prvalko) wrote:

>Andrew D. Lawlor ([e-mail]) wrote:

>: The interesting thing to point out here is that cordless phones are
>: not"protected" from interference from licensed radio services (that's
>: us) and the user of the cordless phone is the one who must cease &
>: desist if the phone interferes with amateur radio stations.

>I don't think finger pointing helps anyone.  I believe the point to make
>is that "static" can be cause by any spark, such as lightning, lamp
>dimmers, and motors.  If ANYTHING, a HAM is more likely to assist a
>homeowner in FINDING and helping eliminate the cause of interference,
>than in creating it.

ARRL HQ has also contacted them, primarily to offer some helpful
information how what SHOULD appropriately be done to cure interference to
telephones.

BTW -- we have a great non-technical pamphlet on interference that is
designed to be given to the neighbor of a ham.  Send an SASE to the ARRL
Tech Dept Secretary, 225 Main St, Newington, CT  06111 and ask for the
"RFI Pamphlet."

>p.s. I emailed LHJ last night.

I bet they are quite surprised at the large response to a small item!
:-)

Ed Hare, KA1CV,
ARRL Laboratory Supervisor





From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:48 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kentucky Ham Busted
Date: Sun, 26 May 96 16:33:40 GMT
Message-ID: <4oa5c2$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4nseus$[e-mail]> <4o1m9o$[e-mail]> <4o4ph8$[e-mail]> <4o5v0o$[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (Bill Sohl) wrote:
>[e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:

>>Doesn't it bother anyone that the right of an individual to listen
>>to whatever he chooses has been rescinded?  This used to be one of
>>the things our government claimed set us apart from the now-defunct
>>Soviet Union.  First it was microwave transmissions, now police
>>communications.  What's next, the SW bands?

>The prohibtion against listening to police is a state issue.
>This case in Kentucky doesn't make sense to me because the KY law
>was amended several years ago and exempts licensed amateurs
>from the prohibition.

When did it become acceptable in the U.S. for individual states to
require a license to *listen*?  Even a ham license only grants
permission to transmit.  Isn't the right to listen presumed to be
inherent to each individual?

>Here in NJ we had the 50 year old law chnaged so anyone can
>mobile scan except when commiting a crime.

Then it's just another useless law that needlessly violates
individual rights.  It wouldn't even come into play unless a crime
could be evidenced, in which case, the penalties attached to the
crime itself are all that's relevant.

It's too bad all laws aren't required to pass a test for
Constitutionality *before* they're placed on the books, or that
politicians who introduce this garbage can't be held personally
liable for victims' damages.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:49 1996
From: [e-mail] (Floyd Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.robotics.misc,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Future postings of L.O.S.A ?
Date: 24 May 1996 16:45:36 GMT
Message-ID: <4o4p3h$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4n7pac$[e-mail]> <4o2k5n$[e-mail]>

In article <4o2k5n$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>[e-mail] (Floyd Brown) scribbled:
>>>>Why are you posting this crap about stamps?  It costs me money
>>>>to download news and I can't pick and choose.  Who the Hell asked
>>>>you to do this?
>>sounds like he needs to check at&t or some other provider if he is in the
>>US, no reason to pay by message in this day and age!!
>Don't you have phone call charges to consider???
>
>
>--
>Matthew Burnham
>[e-mail]
>[e-mail]
>http://homepages.enterprise.net/danew
>http://ftp.enterprise.net/danew
>
>
NO, i pay a local IPS $21.95 a month for a 100 hours, and that's all i
pay,AT&t or MCI will give you unlimited time for $19.95 a month if they are
your long distance provider-- they say your local company may charge you,
but i don't see a local telephone company charging for use of an 800
number, However some people have a limit on the number of message units per
month they can use and this involes time as well, so they could run into
extra charges on their bill. so far i have not seen any on mine.i had AOL
when i started out and dumped them when i found the local IPS, Some people
in the L.A. area get it for a low as $14.00 per month.this is for the USA
and your setup would be different, but you would need to look at all the
ways you can buy the service from your telephone company( i know you only
have one)and no choice!.
--
Floyd of Fort Brown
Procrastination is my game



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:50 1996
From: [e-mail] (Robin Gandevia)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham Log 3 - Internet Sites
Date: 26 May 1996 18:25:11 +1000
Message-ID: <4o94h7$7sh$[e-mail]>
Keywords: logging IBM

Hi,

 Ham Log 3, the Ultimate Ham Radio Logging program, is currently
 available at the following FTP sites on the Internet. This is the
 latest functioning demonstration version of Ham Log, in its fifth
 year. The sites directory names have changed since the last
 upload, so please take note.

   oak.oakland.edu   - /pub3/hamradio/dos/logging
                       ham_log3.zip is the only file available

    ftp.funet.fi     - in directory /pub/ham/hf-log
                       ham_log3.zip and ham_log3.txt

 If you haven't seen Ham Log 3, then do yourself a big favour and
 get your copy.

 Ham Log is a professional program that has a enormous facilities
 and functions, yet very simple to use. Reviewed in The Canadian
 Amateur magazine:

  "This is the first computer program I have used in years that I
  really cannot find anything to improve on. With so many
  features, it is beyond this reviewer's ability to do it full
  justice.  I rank it [Ham Log] as one of the 'breakthroughs' in
  computer technology applied to this fine hobby, ranking with
  Baycom, JVFax and Hamcom."

 The new version is also available in a "CB" version.

 Robin Gandevia VK2VN
 [e-mail]  OR  [e-mail]





From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:51 1996
From: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 440 Mhz repeater
Date: 21 May 1996 20:41:55 GMT
Message-ID: <4nt9qj$[e-mail]>
Keywords: repeater reliability 440


> Hey there guys, I was wondering if any of you could shed some light on a
>440 machine.  I have a 440 frequency that I am going to put a machine on.
>My question is do any of you have suggestions on types of machines.  I am
>looking for one that is fairly easy to get up and running and is relyable.
>I don't want to be visiting the repeater sight every week, forget that.  I
>have heard good things about Icom and Yasu.  Any help would be
>appreciated.  73 de n1jbc


  I have been running a Maggiore Hi-Pro repeater on 440 Mhz since 1986
with only one breakdown. The site was hit by lightening and the
COR/identifier board was the only casuality in the system. After slipping
in a substitute board, the machine was back to normal. I don't even
count this problem as the fault of the equipment, because no brand of
equipment is safe from a lightening strike.

   Before all of you commercial equipment fans get all "uppity" about
how good Mastr-pros and Micors are, and that they will out-last any
amateur grade repeater, let me tell you that my repeater is, and has been
one of the busiest repeaters in the Philadelphia area and has seen many,
many hours of use. Some days the machine never stops transmitting
from 8 a.m. until 8 p.m. My friends who have used retired commercial
equipment throughout the same period of time have suffered dozens of
breakdowns and hundreds of hours of downtime. I can still count
the number of hours, not days, of downtime on my machine with one hand!

     I don't know about the Yaesu brand, but some friends have used an
Icom repeater which has proved itself well over the last 10 years too!
They have been down more times than my machine, but not much more.
The thing that I did not like about the Icom repeater was the EPROM
controller chip that was not easily modified. My friend had to go through
a lot of trouble to put an ACC RC-850 controller on the Icom. Keep
in mind that I am talking about a machine that was sold ten years ago.
They may be different now!

73 de WA3RVT, Steve



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:53 1996
Newsgroups: comp.robotics.misc,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Future postings of L.O.S.A ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4o45fb$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4o6b0c$[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 03:38:05 GMT

Richard Steven Walz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Jeffrey Herman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Richard Steven Walz <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>> The BASIC STAMP is a Microchip PIC-based Microcontroller,
>>>and is appropriate for ALL the groups in HIS newsgroup line we keep
>>>seeing! They are used by roboticists, amateur radio enthusiasts, and

>>Not ALL as you say. Are you familiar with the difference between the
>>two groups rec.radio.amateur.misc and r.r.a.homebrew? After you've
>>read the r.r.a charter then you'll understand why this topic and its
>>dozens of followups have no place on r.r.a.misc.

>While some or even many radio amateurs are still in the analog dark
>ages sending postcards to each other, packet radio and other digital
>advances have arrived, and I know of two radio buffs myself, and THEY
>use microcontrollers for their own equipment, so then, what in the
>world do YOU mean by saying that a PIC STAMP list of applications is
>non-relevant to amateur radio??? THEY seem to think it is QUITE
>apropos, and even though I only KNOW these TWO amateurs well enough to
>know, I somehow doubt that THEY wouldn't have a sense for the breadth
>of that endeavor and the attitudes of OTHER folks involved in it!
>So either explain your position now, or else come off of it and admit
>that whoever is SPAMING the L.O.S.A posts is just a backwards
>head-up-the ass son of a bitch technologically, and some kind of
>vacuum loving analog throwback!! ;-) Of course I doubt you will, but
>people telling the honest truth on the Net seems a bit rare anyway,
>and I think you can agree about that!! ;->
>-Steve FUKYU86  (I couldn't resist! )

Steve, Steve, Steve. What are we going to do with you? You obviously
didn't read what I wrote above nor have you read the rec.radio.amatuer
charter yet. When you finally do get arond to reading the charter then
you realize that this topic doesn't belong on r.r.a.misc; it might be
fine for r.r.a.homebrew but not .misc.

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:54 1996
From: [e-mail] (Richard Steven Walz)
Newsgroups: comp.robotics.misc,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Future postings of L.O.S.A ?
Date: 25 May 1996 06:57:16 GMT
Message-ID: <4o6b0c$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4o2lug$[e-mail]> <4o45fb$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
Jeffrey Herman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Richard Steven Walz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>philately!! The BASIC STAMP is a Microchip PIC-based Microcontroller,
>>and is appropriate for ALL the groups in HIS newsgroup line we keep
>>seeing! They are used by roboticists, amateur radio enthusiasts, and
>
>Not ALL as you say. Are you familiar with the difference between the
>two groups rec.radio.amateur.misc and r.r.a.homebrew? After you've
>read the r.r.a charter then you'll understand why this topic and its
>dozens of followups have no place on r.r.a.misc.
>
>Jeff KH2PZ
----------------------------------------
Well, anyway it seems I may have mis-attributed my post in this
regard, though I had thought I looked carefully, but in any case:

While some or even many radio amateurs are still in the analog dark
ages sending postcards to each other, packet radio and other digital
advances have arrived, and I know of two radio buffs myself, and THEY
use microcontrollers for their own equipment, so then, what in the
world do YOU mean by saying that a PIC STAMP list of applications is
non-relevant to amateur radio??? THEY seem to think it is QUITE
apropos, and even though I only KNOW these TWO amateurs well enough to
know, I somehow doubt that THEY wouldn't have a sense for the breadth
of that endeavor and the attitudes of OTHER folks involved in it!

So either explain your position now, or else come off of it and admit
that whoever is SPAMING the L.O.S.A posts is just a backwards
head-up-the ass son of a bitch technologically, and some kind of
vacuum loving analog throwback!! ;-) Of course I doubt you will, but
people telling the honest truth on the Net seems a bit rare anyway,
and I think you can agree about that!! ;->

-Steve FUKYU86  (I couldn't resist! )
--
-Steve Walz  [e-mail]  ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
mirrored: ftp://ieee.cas.uc.edu/pub/electronics/faqs/ftp.armory.com
and Europe: ftp://ftp.cised.unina.it/pub/electronics/ftp.armory.com
and Oz: ftp://ftp.peninsula.apana.org.au/pub/electronics/ftp.armory.com


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:56 1996
From: K R Jeffcoat <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Frequency of marine VHF Channels ???
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:48:22 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4o1q0r$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
To: Jean-Pierre Heulin <[e-mail]>

VHF Marine Freq's

Channel Ship Tx Ship Rx         Channel Ship Tx Ship Rx
01A     156.050 156.050         68      156.425 156.425
63A     156.175 156.175         69      156.475 156.475
05A     156.250 156.250         70      156.525 156.525
06      156.300 156.300         71      156.575 156.575
07      156.350 156.950         72      156.625 156.625
07A     156.350 156.350         73      156.675 156.675
08      156.400 156.400         74      156.725 156.725
09      156.450 156.450         77      156.875 156.875
10      156.500 156.500         78      156.925 161.525
11      156.550 156.550         78A     156.925 156.925
12      156.600 156.600         79      156.975 161.575
13      156.650 156.650         79A     156.975 156.975
14      156.700 156.700         80      157.025 161.625
15      **      156.700         80A     157.025 157.025
16      156.800 156.800         81      157.075 161.675
17      156.850 156.850         81A     157.075 157.075
18      156.900 161.500         82      157.125 161.725
18A     156.900 156.900         82A     157.125 157.125
19      156.950 151.550         83      157.175 161.775
19A     156.950 156.950         83A     157.175 157.175
20      157.000 161.600         84      157.225 161.825
21      157.050 161.650         85      157.275 161.875
21A     157.050 157.050         86      157.325 161.925
22      157.100 161.700         87      157.375 161.975
22A     157.100 157.100         88      157.425 162.025
23      157.150 161.750         88A     157.425 157.425
23A     157.150 157.150         WX1     **      162.550
24      157.200 161.800         WX2     **      162.400
25      157.250 161.850         WX3     **      162.475
26      157.300 161.900         WX4     **      162.425
27      157.350 161.950         WX5     **      162.450
28      157.400 162.000         WX6     **      162.500
65      156.275 160.875         WX7     **      162.525
65A     156.275 156.275
66      156.325 160.925         **      SHIP RECEIVE ONLY
66A     156.325 156.325
67      156.375 156.375


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:58 1996
From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Newsgroups: whidbey.general,seattle.forsale.computers,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 286, Old HD + DOS 6.22 ??
Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 08:44:23 GMT
Message-ID: <4o6h66$[e-mail]>
References: <4n5v3v$[e-mail]> <4n63tm$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Reid Schwartz) wrote:

>[e-mail] (DAVE M . SCHERTZER) wrote:

>>Have an old IBM true Blue, 286 board w/20mb HD.
>>Think'in of installing DOS 6.22 (presently DOS 3.0)
>>on the HD. WaNt to "Double-Space" to get a 40mb HD.
>>Since this is an "old HD", huge, wondering if this
>>wud be possible, without crashing the system????
>>Any comments or advice [e-mail]

>It should work.
>I have a Tandy 286 laptop with 20MB HD. I did it and it works fine,
>even installed windoze 3.1 slow but works.

>Good luck

>Reid
>Majestic Productions
>Whidbey Island, Washington
>-------------------------------------------
>    *  *  *  [e-mail]  *  *  *
>http://www.whidbey.net/~reids/majestic.html
>--------------------------------------------
>FAST NorthWest User's Group
>http://www.whidbey.net/~reids/fast.htm
>--------------------------------------------

Years since I lived in/around Seattle, but anyway, hello.

I'm no computer guru by any means, but to be sure, why are
you hanging on to some old relic like that?  I've seen 170Meg
hdd's in the scrap yard.  Personally ran thru a 40meg when I
had a 286, (used stacker) then the time came I got a 540M,
speak of luck, the 40Meg gave up the ghost only two months
later on.

Uncle Brian  (VK6BQN)




From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:46:59 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Sam Goller)
Subject: CW is Cool!
Message-ID: <sgoller-2405960913500001@198.175.8.3>
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:07:33 GMT

I've been reading a lot of threads here that pan or promote CW.  Well, let
me add to the chaos and share my opinion.

First off, I am 36.  I own a CB (2 in fact) and I am _not_ a Ham.
However, I spend about 4 hours a day monitoring operators on my scanner or
shortwave and I'm studying for the Tech Class-No Code license.

My wife asked me, "Why do you want a license?"  I told her,"I love radio.
I love electronics.  But mostly, I love to learn."

And that's what being a Ham is all about, learning. For goodness sake,
it's a hobby!  It's something we do for fun and it's something we do
because we choose to do it.

Once I get my No Code license, I look forward to "learning" more and
studying code.  Some may argue that code is outdated or why learn it when
we can buy a computer to do it?  My response ... so what.  I'm in the
hobby because I love radio.  I love electronics and I love to learn.  I
will probably use a computer to help me "learn" CW.  And, once I "learn"
it, I may even use a computer to help me transmit and receive ... who
cares.  At least I made the effort to explore my hobby and "learn" more
about it.  I also look forward to the rewards that come with the education
... greater band access.

If you don't want to "learn" CW ... don't.  Perhaps I'm naive and I'm
getting into this hobby for all the wrong reasons, but I enjoy a
challenge.  I enjoy self-improvement.  I enjoy being able to do things
that other people only wish they could do.

As for the CBs.  I use them when I travel and I occasionally chat with
some "good buddies" in town.  Afterall, it's radio, it's available to
everyone and until I get my license, it's the only option I have to get
"on air".  I'm not going to complain about the Hams who have greater
options and more band choices.  They've studied and they've earned it.
Hopefully, some day soon, after I study, I'll earn the same honors.

73s (or as we say in 11 meters - Catch ya later),
sam
[e-mail]

These opinions are my own and I proudly stand by them.


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:47:00 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: 24 May 1996 23:38:27 GMT
Message-ID: <4o5h9j$[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4nf3ld$[e-mail]> <4nto5e$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <CSLE87-2405961629500001@145.39.1.10>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

In <CSLE87-2405961629500001@145.39.1.10>, [e-mail] (Karl Beckman)
writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey
>Herman) wrote:
>>
>> (Keep in mind that voice is just about as old a mode as CW. Hence, if
>> CW is archaic, then so is voice.)
>>
>> Jeff KH2PZ
>
>Actually I think you'll find that people were talking to each other long
>before Morse code was devised in the late 19th century.

Interesting.... I think we should kill Latin too.... :) BTW didn't this thread
started with someone saying that over 50% of whatever people's abilities
is below whatever (forgot which one was it.... the thread is getting long..)

From a car nut's point of view, we should ban man from buying convertables
since over 50% of the convertables are sold to women, why not ban the
sale of the convertable altogether, since it don't have such huge portion
of the market as other hard-top model..... :)

Well I guess all the above says all, kill everything that's below 50%,
and when you need to use something that's been killed because of this,
don't cry.... :)

===========================================================
David Wei              E-Mail Address: [e-mail]
                                       [e-mail]

DO NOT E-Mail me at [e-mail], I just killed that
account because of their crappy support and dialup setup!

Running under am486DX4-120 with the power of OS/2 Warp.
And AMD InterWAVE, THE BEST for MIDI AND DIGITAL SOUND!
No Intel CPU and No MajorSuck Wimp 95'...... :)
Refuse to use any program that require Windows.
========================Team  OS/2=========================
F-22's note to fighters on the "other" side:
You can hide, but you can't run.... :)
===========================================================



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:47:01 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 26 May 1996 11:02:02 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4mrdvi$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4n399q$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4n599v$[e-mail]> <4n7u5b$[e-mail]> <4nu905$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

On 24 May 96 06:07:45 , Joel Ehrlich <[e-mail]> wrote:
>That isn't the question. The question is its relevance in the context of
>newsgroups.

However, the context of the newsgroup name is set by the "rec.radio.amateur"
prefix, which _does_ place it firmly in the context of amateur radio.

>We aren't talking about the radios, we're talking about the name for a
>newsgroup.

...about one facet of amateur radio.

>However, far more important than the above is the point that there isn't
>yet a proposed newsgroup for the name you are all fighting over with
>such vigor. There isn't even a pre-RFD for the newsgroup over which
>you're arguing.

If Jeffrey Herman is correct and it was submitted to Dave Lawrence, then
there was an attempt to do so. I'm not sure I agree with the proponents'
response to his initial rejection, but I don't see it as an unreasonable
one.

>Worse yet, you're generating hostile reactions from the very people
>whose support you wish to gain. That's tactically unsound.

This much I agree with, and have repeatedly stated.

To the proponents: Please stop flaming. The people who object to the name
are doing so out of neither malice nor stupidity (which is not the same as
ignorance - they're uninformed about the use of the term "boatanchor" in ham
radio), but out of a genuine desire (which I share) to keep the Usenet
namespace useful to people who are uninterested in a particular group as
well as those who are interested in it. Flaming them as "outsiders" and
painting them as meddling busybodies, as you have been doing, is completely
inappropriate and will generate nothing but more opposition now and NO votes
when the group comes up for a vote. The more you do it, the harder it will
be to get the group passed.
--
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
http://k5zc.hsc.uth.tmc.edu       | adequately be explained by stupidity.
            "Just because I'm a superhero doesn't mean
              I have to smell poo gas." -- Freakazoid



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:47:02 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Christain County Ham Busted - NEW INFORMATION!!!!(fwd)
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 03:40:37 GMT
Message-ID: <4odsgu$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

"Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] "K.Bailey" wri
tes:

>>  I'm not too sure you guys have the facts straight yet. How would this
>> challange the law if the radio does NOT receive police frequncies?
>>  If this IS true, how could the judge NOT dismiss the case? Sounds like
>> their is NO evidence to indicate Godsey WOULD have been in violation of
>> the statute, even IF their wasn't an exception for hams.
>>  IF this is correct, please post the names and mailing addresses of the
>>  judge and the Chief of Police. An arrest for an act which is so clearly
>> NOT illegal would be a criminal violation of federal civil rights laws
>> on the part of all of the people acting under color of law.

>No, we don't want facts.  This is a first-amendment issue where anyone has
>the right to post his half-baked and badly spelled ramblings on r.r.a.m
>and be in the company of all the other similar postings.  Facts just
>restrict one's scope for pompous hysterics.

>But two inconveniences: 1) in the case mentioned, it is my understanding
>that the arresting officer reported that when he transmitted on his radio
>that he had observed that this action opened the squelch of the
>defendant's radio.

The cops radio (mobile rig) is probably putting out 100 watts.
In close proximity to the HT, there's certainly a liklihod
that the HT simply was overloaded in the HTs front end.

>And 2) it is not the duty of the judge to make the
>motions and legal arguments to dismiss this matter.

True, but a good judge, if he/she is aware of that will
let the prosecutor know and that should end it.

>Let's all quickly rush to judgment and hang both the cop and the judge
>before any facts appear which might spoil a really good yarn.

From the recent additional info posted,
they should hang the cop for sure (and his superiors) and
maybe the judge.

Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:47:03 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ken Gunton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How was Dayton? Info wanted!!!
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 14:27:32 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4nu3or$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Ed Mitchell) wrote:

>>If you went to Dayton, could you share your stories with the rest of us. We
are
>>collecting bits and pieces from those you who've gone and putting them toget
her
>>for our Ham Radio Online web site. If you saw something of interest, please
>>pass it along and we will edit into a compendium. Any new equipment?
>>Interesting tech talks? Digital? ATV? SSTV? Microwave?
>>
>>We thank you and the zillions of us who didn't make it, will thank you!
>>
>>73, Ed, KF7VY
>>
>>--
>>------------------------
>>Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
>>personal email to [e-mail]
>>Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
>>http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm
>>
Microwave at Dayton - definitely on the rise, and I don't mean the DSS
cheater cards, I mean real hardware. For example, one surplus dealer
had pulled an entire set of Narda directional couplers, and was
selling them for only $25.00 each! These were pulled out of almost new
equipment. He had a complete set - 1-2, 2-4, 4-8, 8-18 GHz, and had
10, 20, and 30 dB couplers in each range. These couplers looked brand
new! I sell microwave components for a living, and almost bought the
entire set from him for resale, but didn't because I only sell new
components.

In the old days, we use to speak of 1296 EME with hushed tones, as it
was some sort of black magic and was very expensive to get into. Lots
of experimentation at 10GHz and up these days. Gunnplexers were
selling like hotcakes.

in a nutshell...

Regards,






Ken Gunton WB6QWF TL Distributing - Microwave and RF Components
CAGE Code 01DH7 http://www.erinet.com/kenny/microwave.html


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:47:04 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gary Fiber)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kentucky Ham Busted
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:29:28 GMT
Message-ID: <4o1m9o$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4nseus$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:

>Tim Wright <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>I checked into an ARES net on Sunday Evening and was informed a
>Christain
>>County Kentucky Ham (call or name unknown) had been busted by the local
>>police for possession of a radio capable of transmitting on police
>>frequencies.  According to the report, the ham was in Possession of a
>>Radio Shack 2 meter HT the 202.
>>
>>The report also stated that Radio Shack people, ARRL people and a bunch
>of
>>others are going to testify on behalf of the Ham.  His court date is
>>June 4th at 08:30 hrs Eastern time.
>>
>>Has anyone else heard this and/or can verify this?  If you can Please
>>reply.  If this ham is convicted it will void the scanner law that
>>Kentucky passed several years ago that added Ham Radio operators to the
>>law that could have devices in their vehicle that could receive police
>>broadcasts.


>If the radio in question was an HTX-202, the "scanner law" doesn't even
>apply here.  An HTX-202 is not a scanner, nor can it even be modified to
>receive police frequencies.  An HTX-202 is an amateur radio transceiver,
>and as such, it's possession is legal in all 50 states as per Federal law.


>The ham should be suing for false arrest, illegal confiscation of his
>equipment, etc!

>-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
> KF4DDM

Drew,

All amateur radiuos that operate above 30 Mhz are Type Approved as
scanning receivers only Under FCC Part 15.  The transmitter is not
checked as it only must comply with part 97 rules.  . If a radio can
scan into piloce frequencies even though its not what you or I might
call a " scanner ' the law still applies.  new jersey did just the
same thing for several years.





From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:47:06 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Creates New CB Service (FRS) on 462 MHz Band
Date: 24 May 1996 04:09:20 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4o3cpg$[e-mail]>
References: <4njh0g$[e-mail]> <4nk21p$[e-mail]> <4nncgp$[e-mail]> <4nnu7u$[e-mail]>

In article <4nnu7u$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says..
.
>
>[e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:
>>
>>   [e-mail] (Greg) wrote:
>>
>>>Oh great. Another CB Band. That is all we need. If it wasn't enough
>>>that cb is near 10m now they gotta be near 70cm.
>>
>>It doesn't matter that CB is near 10M.  The injustice is that 11M
>>was taken from the Amateur service and turned into a wasteland.
>>
>
>It's been what...38 years now, and you're STILL whining about 11-meters
>being "taken" from amateurs?
>
>WAAAH!!!
>
>
>-Drew in Sunny Central Floirda-
> KF4DDM
>

Some people don't get it - from 1980 to 1989, the U.S. Amateur Radio Service
LOST about 90 MHz of spectrum with reallocations away from ham use in our
UHF bands. We average a LOSS of 9 MHz per year during the period. In the last
period, 1989, we only lost 2 MHz at 220-222 MHz!

Radio frequencies are now for sale to the highest bidder. There is much hope
that the government will continue to view our work as in the public service
category (and there are indications that this is the case) and not auction the

frequencies we use for such. On the other hand, many in government right now
think radio frequencies are measured in dollarhertz, symbol $Hz. Why, you must

operate in the 2.4 G$Hz (Giga $ Hz) band!

I just saw a reference in a commercial wireless newsletter today with a quote
from a named FCC staffer who suggested that the FCC might be considering how t
o
auction parts of the 5.7  GHz frequencies that hams now share. Whoa!

Ed, KF7VY
--
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personal email to [e-mail]
Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:47:07 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kentucky Ham Busted
Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 03:34:09 GMT
Message-ID: <4o5v0q$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4nseus$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Steve King) wrote:

>[e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:

>>Tim Wright <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>
>>>I checked into an ARES net on Sunday Evening and was informed a
>>Christain
>>>County Kentucky Ham (call or name unknown) had been busted by the local
>>>police for possession of a radio capable of transmitting on police
>>>frequencies.  According to the report, the ham was in Possession of a
>>>Radio Shack 2 meter HT the 202.
>>>
>>>The report also stated that Radio Shack people, ARRL people and a bunch
>>of
>>>others are going to testify on behalf of the Ham.  His court date is
>>>June 4th at 08:30 hrs Eastern time.
>>>
>>>Has anyone else heard this and/or can verify this?  If you can Please
>>>reply.  If this ham is convicted it will void the scanner law that
>>>Kentucky passed several years ago that added Ham Radio operators to the
>>>law that could have devices in their vehicle that could receive police
>>>broadcasts.
>>
>>
>>If the radio in question was an HTX-202, the "scanner law" doesn't even
>>apply here.  An HTX-202 is not a scanner, nor can it even be modified to
>>receive police frequencies.  An HTX-202 is an amateur radio transceiver,
>>and as such, it's possession is legal in all 50 states as per Federal law.

>Actually, the "scanner law" only really effects amateur radio
>operators, not their radios.  A non ham with a ham HT or a scanner is
>not offered the same protection -- THEORETICALLY -- as a licenced ham
>with an HT.  As I understand it, the object of the "scanner law" is to
>protect hams who have HTs that "JUST HAPPEN" to be able to receive
>police freqs.  I don't know if that is extended to recieve-only
>scanners, but the cops should not be able to take away my IC-24AT just
>because I can listen to their traffic.
>Steve

The federal preemption, however, should cover the KY case if
the individual is a licensed ham and the radio in question is
a transciever such as the HTX-202.

Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:47:08 1996
From: [e-mail](W.A.E.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: German hams
Date: 26 May 1996 02:23:18 GMT
Message-ID: <4o8fam$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4o3gpo$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>


Mr. Fisher,

Maybe if we foreward your post to the Civil Rights Commission they can
contact your employer and get some action.

How about we all foreward a copy of his post to Senatory Kennedy's
office.  Things tend to happen during an election year.

How about sending a copy to the Boston Glode news paper.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^




In <[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>Roy Lewallen wrote:
>>
>> You mean the German hams on the air now are the same ones that were
on in
>
>Many are.
>And the psyche of the newer ones is the same as those referred
>to in the book.
>
>
>#================#====================================================
#
>|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics
|
>| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)
|
>|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt
|
>#================#====================================================
#
>| [e-mail]                            MAC is 5% of the market
|
>#=====================================================================
#
>
>Why is it that if you disagree with what I have to say, you feel
>compelled to call my employer? Do it if you must but you better be
good
>at it. If you do not kill the king, the king will kill you.



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:47:10 1996
From: [e-mail] (Patrick Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Christain County Ham Busted - NEW INFORMATION!!!!(fwd)
Date: 25 May 96 02:03:56 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Hi gang:

Here's the latest on that case in Kentucky......

Patrick

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:55:16 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Christain County Ham Busted (fwd)

Patrick,
     It took four days, but I descovered the case and what actually happened.
 It was buried on the Kentucky State Wire and not available in California.  A
friend got it for me.
     A 16 year old named Greg Godsey - no call sign provided -- has been
charged by a police officer with posessing a radio capable of receiving
police frequencies.  The officer admitted that he was aware of a state law
that exempts ham radio operators from a state ban on scanners but the
Christain County Police and judges want to challange the exemption and are
making Godsey a test case.
     The radio in question has been certified as not having been tampered
with and incapable of receiving police frequencies, but the judge has denied
a motion to dismiss and set trial for June 4th.
     I tried to speak by phone with the arresting officer or a spokesperson
for the police and was treated rather abruptly.  They simply refuse to talk
and hung up.
     As of this moment, my contacts at Tandy say they know nothing about the
case nor has the company been approached to testify in Godsey's defense.  The
ARRL still refuses any comment albiet the ARRL Letter editor is aware of the
situation and plans to report on it.  I do know from past pronouncements that
ARRL policy is not to provide direct legal assistance EXCEPT in precedent
setting cases.  As most of the leaders of the ARRL -- including its President
and a number of BoD members are atorneys or judges -- I suspect that this wll
be an exception to the rule.
     One other side-bar.  I hace no talkd directly to any of the principals
in the case but I hear through others that hams in the area are now showing
their negative feelings on this by openly carrying radios omn their belts --
waving them at police -- and chiding them about arrresting a kid who is a
volunteer public servant. Many plan to be at the next hearing -- radio
equipped -- as a protest. If this is true, hen others may wind up in the same
position as this Godsey if the police decide to do a power play as they now
must to save face.
     That now answers the "who, what,why, were and how" -- and also tells me
that the "rotten stuff" is with the police.  At least it smells that way out
here.

                                                                    de Bill
P.



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:47:11 1996
From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Term: DX
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 07:20:30 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
To: Jeffrey Herman <[e-mail]>

Jeffrey Herman wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>, Angus John Mcleod <[e-mail]> wrote
:
> > the term "DX" originally meant "Weak Signal" and not "Long Distance" or
> >even "Foreign Country".  The present-day meaning of the term is apparently
>
> Hi Gus, Could you please provide reference for your definition? I've got a
> pretty good radio history library and find it difficult concure with your
> definition.
>
> 73 from Hawaii,
> Jeff KH2PZ

Yo Jeff and Gus, a different perspective

Although my Funk and Wagnalls defines DX as "Distance", Hugh Cassidy
WA6AUD in his West Coast DX Bulletins proclaimed:

DX IS!
For True Blue Believers
Among the enigmas of the ages
------------------------------------------------
From a poll of DX Club Members:
To some its having the Best Big Gun Station
To the Hunter, its the stalk
To the amiable, it is world wide QSOs
To others it is working Mozambique QRP
To the underdogs, it cracking a pileup with an R5 vertical
To most it is working Conway Reef
To the global, its DXCC and WAZ
To the contester, its winning
To all, it is in the ear of the beholder
To me it is:
Hark! For I Have Hurled My Words To The Far Reaches Of The Earth!
What King Of Old Could Do Thus?
..... AC6V

73
Good DX
Rod


--
_______________________________________________________________

A Man May Know Of The Whole World Without Leaving The Shelter Of His Own
Home.
..... Loa Tsze


_______________________________________________________________


From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:47:12 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARLP020 Propagation de KT7H
Date: 17 May 1996 18:16:11 -0400
Message-ID: <$[e-mail]>


SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP020
ARLP020 Propagation de KT7H

ZCZC AP41
QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 20  ARLP020
From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA  May 17, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB PROP ARL ARLP020
ARLP020 Propagation de KT7H

Solar activity was up a bit last week, with the average sunspot
number about 20 points higher than the week previous, and solar flux
up less than three points.  The most disturbed days were May 13 and
14, when the A index was 13 and 15.  Otherwise, conditions were
stable.

Last Fall we were excited to report sightings of the first sunspots
from the upcoming Solar Cycle 23.  Now the NOAA Space Environment
Service Center has changed its report and is not expecting the new
cycle to begin until later this year.

Watch for the solar flux to dip below 70 after May 19, then above 70
after June 2, peaking in the mid seventies around June 9.
Conditions should be very stable from May 21 to 27, then an active
geomagnetic field is expected around June 7 and 10.

Sunspot Numbers for May 9 through 15 were 17, 33, 53, 35, 38, 30 and
26, with a mean of 33.1.  10.7 cm flux was 76, 77.5, 76.5, 73.6,
72.7, 71.8 and 70.9, with a mean of 74.1.

This week we have a path prediction to Midway Island from the East
Coast, middle, and West Coast of the United States.

From the East Coast, 80 meters should be good from 0630 to 1030z, 40
meters from 0530 to 1100, 30 meters from 0430 to 1230, 20 meters
from 0130 to 0630 and again around 1200.

From the middle of the continental United States check 80 meters
from 0630 to 1130z, 40 meters from 0530 to 1230, 30 meters from 0400
to 1400 and 20 meters from 0200 to 0700.

From the West Coast check 80 meters from 0600 to 1400z, 40 meters
from 0500 to 1500, and 30 meters from 0230 to 1730.  20 meters
should be open except from 1100 to 1400, with the best propagation
around 0600 to 0830 and around 1600.  17 meters looks good around
1900 to 0730, with best signals around 0500.
NNNN
/EX



From [e-mail] Wed May 29 23:47:13 1996
From: [e-mail] (BILL SHYMANSKI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Results of a CW Survey
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 22 May 96 10:03:00 -0600
Distribution: world
Reply-To: [e-mail] (BILL SHYMANSKI)
References: <4nms0r$[e-mail]>

-> From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
-> Subject: Re: Results of a CW Survey
-> Date: 19 May 1996 10:09:31 GMT
-> Message-ID: <4nms0r$[e-mail]>
->
-> In article <[e-mail]>,
-> Bruce Burke  <[e-mail]> wrote:
->
-> >You have so far not demonstrated any technical capability of your
-> own, whereas >I have already mathmatecally proven the repondants
-> argument based on >THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT ARGUMENT. Therefore, you
-> arguments on technical terms h as no
-> >merit.
->
-> Well, I *think* you're still referring to the "Morse code gives
-> minimum bandwidth" argument, and you're claiming that this argument
-> is compelling given some arbitrary boundaries (in fact, you're
-> starting to become a little insulting to people that refuse to simply
-> agree).  Well, imagine this - the minimum bandwidth any signal can
-> occupy is none at all, which is achieved by not modulating a carrier.
-> So, the really compelling argument here is that *no modulation at
-> all* is the best modulation mode because it reduces the bandwidth to
-> 0, giving infinite system gain in comparison to anything else at all.
->
-> Can't you see that this argument is simply ridiculous, proves nothing
-> useful, and isn't worth supporting?  Your continued efforts to drive
-> home the "truth" of the argument doesn't change the fact that the
-> argument is useless.
->
-> --
-> * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are mine and
-> should * * [phone]               | not be interpreted or
-> represented as     *

The problem as I see it is not in the "efficiency" of Morse code but
rather in what is meant by "efficiency" - the two arguements are based
on almost entirely non-overlapping definitions.   While the resulting
sparks and flames are pretty to watch, they aren't really productive of
any new understanding of the issues.

This shouldn't be an argument, its barely a discussion. The pragmatic,
engineering approach would be to define a measure of efficiency first.
Then compare ICW, and another mode.  Pick the better numbers, and
that mode wins <for that measure of efficiency>.  No emotional process
at all. There, I've just put an end to the last few year's worth of
Internet CW flamewars....you may all thank me.

 73,
   Bill [e-mail] <packet>
        [e-mail]   <Internet>

( who's happy that the ham radio hobbies are more diverse than the
eternal CW flamewar would make you think )


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:28:45 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: FCC Public Notice
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4o4c19$[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 23:35:39 GMT

Gary Fiber <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Every Time I have seen a notice like this come forth it usualy signals some
>impending action.  This notice makes for interesting speculation, the FCC doe
s
>not bother to send reminders unless they are about to do something.  better g
et
>your HF radios for MARS and CAP now as you might just lose the ability to ope
n
>them in the future.  This I think is leading up to cental monitoring in
>Maryland, they remove troubles before they start.  Enforcement before the cri
me
>so to speak.

The crime has already been committed, Gary. A couple years ago I read (on
rec.radio.cb) of "freebanders" using the HF air-to-ground frequencies to
chase DX (other freebanders). That crime makes them playing CB on 10M
seem trivial.

>                               May 13, 1996
>               Extended Coverage High Frequency Transceivers
>       The Commission has noted that a number of transceivers imported as ARS
>equipment are also capable of transmitting and are being operated in nearby
>frequency bands allocated to other radio services such as the Private Land
>Mobile Radio Services, Maritime Services, Auxiliary Broadcast Services,
>International Broadcasting Services, the Citizens Band Radio Service, and the
>U.S. Government.  Operation of this equipment causes interference to the

We've even had folks come up on here asking how they can "open" their
amateur HF rig so as to xmit on the maritime channels. Not good. I for
one am glad the FCC is taking this action.

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:28:46 1996
From: [e-mail] (Eric S. Johansson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SURVEY: How long did it take you to pass 13wpm code test?
Date: 26 May 1996 12:24:41 GMT
Message-ID: <4o9ii9$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4o3hv0$[e-mail]>

Gerald Schmitt ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (charles
: copeland) writes:
: >
: >This is a survey to determine the average time it takes one
: >to learn 13wpm CW. I've heard people claim 2 weeks to 2 years.
: >
: >Took me one year.
: >

: From 0 to 5 WPM 18 months found I had an interesting learning
: disability.

: From 5 to 13 WPM 14 months.

interesting.  I'm in a similar position.  It took me about 4 months to
get to 5 words per minute.  I then wasted 6 months of daily practice
and three failed 13 word per minute tests before I gave up trying for
13 about 10 years ago.  Last year I to discovered that I have a common
neurological condition that affects the same short term memory that CW
exercises.

maybe I could learn higher speed code if I spent years at it but it's
not worth it.

--
Eric S. Johansson       ka1eec          [e-mail]
This message was composed almost entirely by DragonDictate.
It's spelled H-A-L-E--B-O-P-P but it's pronounced "Kohouteck"


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:28:47 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SURVEY: How long did it take you to pass 13wpm code test?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 26 May 96 13:07:47 PDT
References: <4oa6l2$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Distribution: world

[e-mail] (WB3U) writes:

>    [e-mail] ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
> >Bugger CW.  Biggest waste of time in the world, stubborn
> >insistence on it has kept all the youg blood out of the hobby,
> >and now it's as obvious as the nuts on a bulldog, it has killed
> >the hobby.
>
> The ony thing that's obvious about CW is that it was instrumental
> in preventing the Amateur service from becoming another Citizens
> Band.  It takes more than blood to maintain the quality of the
> service.
>

Listening to 80 metres, or two metres, for that matter largely dispels
the myth that knowing CW equals quality. We've had a digital ticket here
for almost twenty years, and don't see any corresponding decline in the
service that can be traced to digital operators.

There is a declining standard of civility, and in the manners
observed on the air, but those with higher classes of licenses are just
as likely to be jerks as those without code.

Whether one does, or does not, know Morse Code, has nothing to do with
the quality of the operator. Or the service.

You're entitled to your view that CW ought to be maintained as a
necessary entrance barrier - although I disagree with it - but I really
do take issue with the idea that it takes CW to be a quality radio
service.







[e-mail]                             __|
Robert Smits                                _/. |\
(VE7HS)                CQ CQ CQ !!!        <   (0)
                                       _   /__    |
                                      ( ) <_______/
                                       \ \/       \__


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:28:48 1996
From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ky Ham Bust Info From ARRL Letter
Date: 26 May 1996 16:45:27 -0400
Message-ID: <4oaft7$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, someone wrote:

>This information is from the ARRL letter
...
>
>According to reports, Greg, the ARES EC for Christian County, Kentucky, and
>a ham since last summer, was detained by Hopkinsville Police. The officer
>indicated that when he arrived, Greg "was talking on a radio that is capable
>of receiving police frequencies. I verified this by keying my radio, which
>broke the squelch on [Greg's] radio."

Sigh. And people wonder why us Gun Owners are so paranoid about "the
government".

Can you say "facism is coming" folks?

MD
--
--
--  "I have more guns than I need, and less guns than I want." -- Phil Graam
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:28:49 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: No CODE No CW on HF (with corrections - mixed my 1s and 2s)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 01:17:13 GMT

Ed Ellers  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>  The body you're thinking of is the ITU, but the fact is that any
>country can decide to ignore the ITU Radio Regulations.  There are many
>examples of this -- Japan's no-code HF license is one

Hi Ed, Don't those Japanese with the no-code HF ticket have *very* severe
restrictions which are quite similar to the limitation we supposedly
impose on our 11M operators? (Low poer, limited distance contacts)

> as was the decades-old
>practice of the BBC of using fixed service HF frequencies (such as 7325,
>9410 and 15070 kHz) for broadcasting.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the BBC maintains
transmitters in Region 2; their sites are located in Regions 1 and 3.
Now 7300-8195 and 9040-9500 are alloted to Fixed Services and 15010-15100
is alloted to Off Route Aeronautical Mobile in Region 2. Do Regions
1 and 3 also have these same allocations for those services?

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:28:50 1996
From: [e-mail](D/S/Losty)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone heard of or tried Ten-Tec kits?
Date: 27 May 1996 01:54:28 GMT
Message-ID: <4ob20k$[e-mail]>
References: <4oau8i$[e-mail]>


Hi,
I haven't tried any of their kits, but in terms of their complete
transceivers, I've found them to be the most reliable/helpful
company in ham radio today.

I have a 1977 vintage Ten-Tec Triton IV, 100 watt 10-80
meter hf transceiver. It has a better receiver than my Yaesu
FT747GX and works great at high speed QSK.

I recently needed parts, called Ten-Tec. They sold me some
parts on a billing basis (kind of if you like them, pay for them).
Several parts they considered obsolete inventory and sent them
for free. I hear that on their new HF rigs, they ship spare boards
out under warranty, no questions asked.

I'll contrast that with the Japanese companies: Icom and Yaesu.
I recently called ICOM about my IC-202S 2mtr transceiver.
They have no parts for it because "it was over ten years
old". I had purchased it from a dealer as new 8 years ago, but it
apparently had been discontinued before that.  I had a problem with my
Yaesu FT747GX  - Yaesu refused to ship any parts under warranty. The only
way I could use the warranty was to ship the rig to them prepaid and wait 6
to 8 weeks for their repair.  I ended up paying for parts on a new rig
because I didn't want it to be out of service that long.

73
Doug/WA1TUT


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:28:51 1996
From: [e-mail] (Swami Kumaresan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Looking for Quarter Cen. Wiress Assoc. Members!!!!!!
Date: 27 May 1996 16:14:56 GMT
Message-ID: <4ocke0$[e-mail]>



Hi
        I am looking for members of the Quarter Century Wirless Association.
        Please reply to [e-mail]. Thanks!

                                                        Swami K.
                                                        KD1QV/AE



From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:28:52 1996
From: [e-mail] (Claude Frantz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: German hams
Date: 28 May 96 12:20:09 GMT
Message-ID: <claude.833286009@bauv111>
References: <[e-mail]> <4o4pqc$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] () writes:

>In article <[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>There is a book on the best seller list about German hams
>>from WWII.
>>
>>If you read the book you will know why I avoid German hams.

>Dear OM Burt,

>On behalf of all German hams I thank you for avoiding us.

There is a very interesting book about the history of amateur radio
in Germany, by Felix Koerner. Now it is out of print, if I remember
well. In this book you will find extensive information about the
complex history of amateur radio during the nazi time. It is probably
more complex as you think. Perhaps you can find a copy in the library
of an university.
--
Claude
([e-mail])
The opinions expressed above represent those of the writer
and not necessarily those of her employer.


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:28:53 1996
From: [e-mail] (Sean Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A love story
Date: 28 May 1996 12:31:26 GMT
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <4oermu$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>



You can always tell who has way too much free time...



From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:28:56 1996
From: [e-mail] (Kevin  AstirCS "1U"   KO0B)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SURVEY: How long did it take you to pass 13wpm code test?
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 13:24:13 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <4ofjru$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4ob34r$[e-mail]>


>[e-mail] (charles copeland) wrote:

>>This is a survey to determine the average time it takes one
>>to learn 13wpm CW. I've heard people claim 2 weeks to 2 years.

5 WPM:
One Afternnon  (3-4 hours) of study, using W2NSD tape.

~8 months as Novice, speed got close to 10 WPM by on-air practice.

13 WPM:
About 12 hours of  actual study, spread over  3 days , again using
W2NSD tape..

~6 Months as General, ~15 WPM acheived by on air practice.

20 WPM
About  20 Hours more study, over about 5 days..

But what possible use could such information be put to?  It is like
asking "How long did you know your spouse before getting engaged?".
The numbers will vary so much from one to the next, that someone
thinking about getting married will find little meaning in the
avereage,  deviation, or other statistics. The fact is, both things
depend far more on the person involved, than on the task at hand.

Looking at the average, a fast learner may be discouraged from even
starting out, and a slow learner quit too soon, just because they hit
the average time without "getting it".  Either way, no good can come
of it.

That you ask the question suggests impatience, and desire for quick
gratification,  so you are doomed to have a hard time.   Asking the
question indicates you consider this hard work, so it will be.
-73-
KO0B






From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:28:58 1996
From: Larry Shilkoff <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Lat-Long Conversion
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 16:17:19 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4of52h$[e-mail]>

Eugene L. Olson - KC0RL wrote:
>
> I am looking for DOS or Windows software that will convert degrees,
> minutes and seconds to decimal degrees of latitude and longitude.
> Also to convert from decimal degrees of latitude and longitude back to
> degrees minutes and seconds.
> I sure would appreciate it if someone could point me to a good
> program.  I know how to do it on a calculator but it is just a little
> bit cumbersome to do it that way if you have a lot of conversions to
> do.  Thanks for listning.
>
> ====================================================
> Eugene L. Olson, ("Ole") - Amateur Radio Call: KC0RL
> Packet Home BBS: KC0RL @ W0LKD.#SECO.CO.USA.NA
> Internet EMAIL: [e-mail]
> ====================================================

Try this:

/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */
/*                  DDMMSS to Decimal Coordinate Conversion                */
/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */

double coord_convert(double input_ddmmss)

{
        double result;
        double ddmmss;
        double dd;
        double mmss;
        double mmss_x_100;

        ddmmss = fabs(input_ddmmss);
        dd = fix(ddmmss);
        mmss = ddmmss-dd;
        mmss_x_100 = mmss * 100.0;

        result = mmss_x_100/60.0+dd+(mmss_x_100-fix(mmss_x_100))*.01667;

        if (input_ddmmss < 0.0) result = result * -1.0;

        return(result);
}
--
Larry Shilkoff
Internet: [e-mail]
AX25 packet: kj6nv@wb6wfh.#socal.ca.usa.noam
UHF: 446.000
VHF: 147.555
HF: 7.209
VLF: "Hey Larry!"


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:28:58 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 21st Century Ham Licenses
Date: Wed, 29 May 96 01:36:23 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Madjid VE2GMI <[e-mail]> writes:

>passing the theory test, all Hams are proud of passing the CW test. Do you

BRAVO!!!........................................N6WR


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:28:59 1996
From: [e-mail] (CBreaux367)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A love story
Date: 29 May 1996 02:05:26 -0400
Message-ID: <4ogpf6$[e-mail]>
References: <4oceh0$[e-mail]>

actually i thought it was pretty good.

HamRadio


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:00 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: code outdated.
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Keywords: didigetthrough?
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 02:18:39 GMT

Ron Atkinson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Jeff H. wrote:
>: Ron Atkinson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>: >Of course the military is the exception. For high command level (commander
>: >in chiefs) they dumped the outdated technology years ago and went to
>: >spread spectrum with computers running it. It's more reliable and is
>: >capable of transmitting extremely high speed when the other modes just
>: >can't get through. What do you think they'd run if there was ever a
>: >nuclear war, CW?  CW doesn't get through, spread spectrum does.

>: Hi Ron, if you want to be like the military, why not join up for a
>: 4-year stint. I bet you're one of those guys who wears camos and
>: has assult weapons!
>
>Hmmm... I didn't expect an insult from someone. For your information I
>am in the military and I have 6 years in exactly what I stated,
>communications in a nuclear war environment. I'm currently a computer
>programmer though since about 92. And I don't wear military uniforms
>unless I need to and I don't own a gun and have no plans on owning one.
>You're just too much of an idiot to understand the current state of
>technology and would rather just flame someone. I'll just add you to my
>kill list and filter to avoid seeing your reply, I suggest you do the
>same for me too.

Heehee - it's interesting that he didn't comment about the core of
my rebuttal to him: To compare the military to the amateur service
is utterly ridiculous - they have billions of dollars to create
a virtually impenetrable communication system immune to practically
anything. Their mission is 180 degrees from ours. To compare our use
of CW to military comms is an apples to pineapples item.

jh


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:01 1996
From: John Lloyd KE4UTX <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: aus.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: IPS Daily Report - 28 May 96
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 12:27:43 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4og132$[e-mail]>

Can anyone remember the last time the SSN was > 0? :-)

--
John Lloyd
Email  * [e-mail]
Phone  * 919-254-8021
Packet * ke4utx@ac4et.#nefl.fl.usa.noam
CW     * --... ...--    -.. .   -.- . ....- ..- - -..-


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:02 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: Paul Adler <[e-mail]>
Subject: Vanity calls:
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 13:20:13 GMT

Is there a list of available area 1 call signs?

Thanks Paul   KW1L

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:03 1996
From: [e-mail] (Skid Schermerhorn, W1TTY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Call Question
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 14:26:13 GMT
Message-ID: <4ohmun$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Dave Leduc) wrote:

>If I use gate 1 to get my original callsign (K1EPJ) am I allowed to use
>gate 2 to try for a 1X2 or 2X1 extra class callsign? Do I pay another $30?

                Since each application needs a fee, there is not much question that
you will pay another fee.

>If I wait until gate 2 to make any change then K1EPJ would be my 25th choice.

                Think if you read the instructions and the application carefully, you
will find that if none of the calls you choose are available, you will
get your current call assigned.  Ergo, don't waste that 25th choice.

>I've have the application and instruction sheet and can't find anything that
>says that I can't do it.
>
>Dave AA1HJ



Skid Schermerhorn - W1TTY   http://www.capecod.net/~sscherme/index.htm
East Sandwich               http://www.capecod.net/~sscherme/church.htm
Massachusetts  02537        http://www.capecod.net/~sscherme/bookmark.htm




From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:04 1996
From: [e-mail] (Raymond Sarrio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Buy & sell ham gear (FREE listings)-->http://www.sarrio.com
Date: 29 May 1996 14:56:29 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

A large, FREE, and searchable Ham Radio Classified page. All posts only
concern the buying and selling of Ham Radio equipment.Posts are put online
within the hour. Here is what one Ham said about the service.

"I had some ham radio stuff for sale on your web page, got several responses
and sold my HAM-M rotor...I have also tried to sell my rotor before, on
and off for a few years, and it only took a week to sell it through your
page thanks for your service."

Bob, WM1X
Bob Scott
[e-mail]
--
The Raymond Sarrio Co. a full feature Ham Radio Storefront and web site develo
per. Located at http://www.sarrio.com.

In association with Brillar Enterprises http://win-win.com/brillar provider of
 discount CD-Roms!



From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:05 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jack Giehl)
Subject: CB bootleggers on 10 meters
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: Jack Giehl <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 14:58:48 GMT

Hi,

Ten was really open Tuesday night.  As I was moving from the FM
segment (29.4 to 29.7) down to the AM segment (29.0), I heard some
unbelievable filthy language on 29.225 LSB.  Apparently, some
CB types have decided to make 10 meters their home.  I believe the
signals may be coming from New York state.

Any one else heard this garbage?

Jack, WB8BFS, Cincinnati...






From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:05 1996
From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Moron speaks!!
Date: 29 May 1996 15:27:39 GMT
Message-ID: <4ohqdb$[e-mail]>
References: <4o2j3t$[e-mail]> <960523 <[e-mail]>

>Well lets play kid's name games that good..
     ^- missing comma           ----------- ungrammatical
                   ^no apostrophe here
>
>What are the other repeaters then??? make sure your right because he was
                             ^missing comma     ----- "you're"
                                      ^UC
>blamed for doing it to mine and I know it wasn't him I was with him that
                                                     ^missing period
                                                      or semicolon
>day giving him a ride to HRO. Now that one was a good one, but yet your
                                                                    ---- "you'
re"
>so smart and I'm a nitwit he may have had a HT under my seat doing this.
             ^missing word, "since"
                          ^missing comma
>
>If you want to reply drop the baby games.
                     ^missing comma
>
>Ron


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:07 1996
From: Paul Adler <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: (no subject)
Date: 29 May 1996 15:49:58 GMT
Message-ID: <4ohrn6$[e-mail]>

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From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:07 1996
From: Siegfried Rambaum <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: German hams
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:26:17 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4o8g0v$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

> >If we all send a message to Mr Burt Fishers internet provider, maybe
> >that would help.  You should address you e-mail to
> >[e-mail]
> >Just foreware one of his messages with you comments.

Nonsense ... With Stupidity even the gods fought in vain ... and you are
not even an idol ("half a god")...


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:08 1996
From: Siegfried Rambaum <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: German hams
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:31:11 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4o3gpo$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

On Sat, 25 May 1996, Burt Fisher wrote:

> > You mean the German hams on the air now are the same ones that were on in
>
> Many are.
> And the psyche of the newer ones is the same as those referred
> to in the book.

Burt, you might not be aware of it. Your psyche is exactly, what that book
talks about.... Uninformed prejudice as a foundation for insensible,
though arrogantly righteous behaviour. Before you react to this, think a
single moment, maybe you might see the truth of this statement. But then,
I doubt that you would ...



From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:12 1996
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Erik K.Sorgatz)
Subject: THERE ISNT ANY PROBLEM!( was Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4nsus6$[e-mail]> <4ntsin$[e-mail]> <4o1msu$[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:38:54 GMT

In article <4o1msu$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David Seal) write
s:
>[e-mail] writes:
>
>>[e-mail] (David Seal) wrote:
>>
>>>No, rec.radio.boatanchors is *not* a better name.

 Oh yes it is! There are some news-software packages out there that wont
handle 4 layer newsgroup name extensions!
>
>
>For the "rec.radio.boatanchors" name, such people are going to be
>confronted with "boatanchors", with no further context. Most of them
>are not going to understand it.
>
>For "rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors", the problem goes away. This time,
>the next thing that people interested in radio in general will see is
>"amateur", which most of them will understand. And then the people
>left over are those who are interested in amateur radio, and most of
>*them* are going to understand what "boatanchors" means.
>
 Your argument holds no water. Inasmuch as a significant number of the
boatanchor people are not amateurs! You seem to forget, this group is
designed to augment and increase the discussion level regarding vintage
radio equipment - not all of which is amateur gear! How many times do
we have to keep reminding you of this??

 > >Unfortunately, the real world fact is that not everybody on Usenet >behave
s this way. Even well-named groups get the occasional "What's >this group abou
t?" posting; put difficulties in the way of someone >understanding it and you'
ll get a lot more of them, plus all sorts of >misunderstandings.  >

Isnt this what the news.groups lists are for? Each entry with a copy of the ne
wsgroups charter etcetra? Why do you assume this name will cause any more prob
lems?
 >>... Must everything be handed to you on a silver
>>platter?
>
>Again, this sort of comment is uncalled-for. But to answer it in its
>own terms: there are enough people on Usenet who *do* need things
>handed to them on a silver platter that it is worthwhile at least
>using a platter. (Note that this is *not* an insult to any individual,
>or even to the vast majority of Usenet readers. If just 0.1% of Usenet
>readers misunderstand something and react inappropriately, you've got
>thousands of people causing problems, and probably hundreds more
>coming on-line every month...)
>
>David Seal
>[e-mail]

 I think the chap's barb at you was well deserved! You're being a total
boor on this subject and my overall recommendation to the readership is to
simply IGNORE your pathetic, unfounded wailings!


 LIKE I SAID A WEEK AGO..SCREW THE NAYSAYERS! LET'S GET ON WITH THE VOTE!
[e-mail] (or:[e-mail]) KB6LUY (private email:eks@westwo
rld.com)
TTI 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. Santa Monica, CA  90405
"ANY COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS MADE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF CITICORP, ITS SU
BSIDIARIES
OR AFFILIATES." (Copyright 1995, ARR-permission to store/archive hereby grante
d)


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:13 1996
From: Siegfried Rambaum <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: German hams - THE END
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:44:36 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4o3gpo$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4o8fam$[e-mail]>

> Mr. Fisher,
>
> Maybe if we foreward your post to the Civil Rights Commission they can
> contact your employer and get some action.
>
> How about we all foreward a copy of his post to Senatory Kennedy's
> office.  Things tend to happen during an election year.

Come on, Burt drew enough fire. And I think, with his simplicistic view
of things he by all chances has enough problems in life to cope with.
Leave him alone. Enough is enough...


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:14 1996
From: [e-mail] (Mark Walsh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Public Notice
Date: 29 May 1996 20:20:12 GMT
Message-ID: <4oibhs$[e-mail]>
References: <4o4c19$[e-mail]> <4o791s$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] wrote:
: In <4o4c19$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Fiber) writes:

: >PUBLIC NOTICE
: >FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION

: >               Extended Coverage High Frequency Transceivers

: >       The purpose of this Public Notice is to clarify...

: It ranks right up there with blocking cellular...
: The problem of unauthorized out of band transmission will not go away
: that easily...

: I would support building 10M rigs and CB's so they cannot be modified
: to go into the CB band or 10M band respectively...

This ranks right up there with blocking cellular!

: Again, this won't eliminate the problem, but make a very small dent...

Then why bother?  No law is worse than a bad law.
There are many uses for a DC to 30 MHz signal generator,
er, uh, ham radio, and many radio amateurs use them in a
responsible manner.  Why punish them?  Ditto for 30 MHz
to daylight in the commercial world.

: Why not Type-Accept VHF/UHF+ ham tranceivers??  Have you every compared
: some of the specs from HAM vs Commercial gear??  On a particuar ICOM
: 2M HT, frequency drift is stated not to exceed 5 Khz...

: If that's what type acceptance will bring, then I am willing to pay for it!

5 KHz?!?  What a piece of junk.  The best way to deal with
this problem is the free enterprise system; don't buy it!
If you want quality equipment, you must pay for it.  If you
want a type accepted VHF or UHF transceivers, you can do
that today.  Just go and lay down your money for an MT-1000
or something like that, but don't force others to do the same.

If there is a demand for something, the manufacturers will
build it, so long as we aren't stupid enough to create laws
banning it.  Rather than doing that, how about calling your
congresscritter and demanding more money for FCC enforcement?
Their budget cuts have resulted in a downsizing from 2600
people to 2200.  Therein lies a problem as the number of
services that they manage grows daily, thus, enforcement is
becoming virtually non-existant.

Cheers -- Mark
--
***** Mark Walsh ***** [e-mail] *****


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:15 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Dr Pepper)
Subject: Re: Lat-Long Conversion
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
References: <4of52h$[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 20:27:10 GMT

[e-mail] (Eugene L. Olson - KC0RL) wrote:

>I am looking for DOS or Windows software that will convert degrees,
>minutes and seconds to decimal degrees of latitude and longitude.
>Also to convert from decimal degrees of latitude and longitude back to
>degrees minutes and seconds.
>I sure would appreciate it if someone could point me to a good
>program.  I know how to do it on a calculator but it is just a little
>bit cumbersome to do it that way if you have a lot of conversions to
>do.  Thanks for listning.


>====================================================
>Eugene L. Olson, ("Ole") - Amateur Radio Call: KC0RL
>Packet Home BBS: KC0RL @ W0LKD.#SECO.CO.USA.NA
>Internet EMAIL: [e-mail]
>====================================================

Gee, Eugene. . . . .    If you know how to do it on a calculator, then
why don't you just write the algorythm into a spread sheet??  Or even
write a gwbasic program to do it??   I would like to have such a
program.  I don't know the steps, but they should be fairly simple.
Why not give it a try??

Please contact me by e-mail, and I'll even write one for you.  Just
tell me the steps.
Dr Pepper
10 - 2 - 4




From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:16 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 23:34:29 GMT
Message-ID: <4oiq8k$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4og132$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Ron Atkinson) wrote:

>Sounds like you've never heard of mitigated spread spectrum before. It
>gets through just fine. Our tests are in conditions almost twice as bad
>as a nuclear war would cause. The problem was solved back in the 70's
>as to how to get through.

>Ron Atkinson           |   Internet: [e-mail]
>Amateur Radio: N8FOW   |   http://www.n8fow.ampr.org/~n8fow

Hi Ron, that's sounds like an interesting test. How do you simulate
'conditions almost twice as bad as what a nuclear war would
cause', do you set up the transmitters in a garbage dump in New
Jersey, or what ? Just curious.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:17 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Icom IC-200 2m manual/schematics Needed
Date: 30 May 1996 06:21:07 GMT
Message-ID: <4ojeoj$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

I am looking for a manual(or at least schematics) for the Icom IC-200 2 Meter
mobile radio. At the very least, could someone tell me what the purpose is
for the "tube type" socket on the side of it is for.  Any info would be greatl
y
appreciated.

Please respond via E-mail to [e-mail].

Many Thanks,
Richard Hasty
KB0UOV


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:20 1996
From: [e-mail] (Karl Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Term: DX
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 08:36:43 -0400
Message-ID: <CSLE87-3005960836440001@145.39.1.10>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey
Herman) wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]>, Angus John Mcleod <[e-mail]> wrote
:
> > the term "DX" originally meant "Weak Signal" and not "Long Distance" or
> >even "Foreign Country".  The present-day meaning of the term is apparently
>
> Hi Gus, Could you please provide reference for your definition? I've got a
> pretty good radio history library and find it difficult to concure with your
> definition.
>
> 73 from Hawaii,
> Jeff KH2PZ

At this point I rely on an old family friend Jim W8BU, who copied messages
from the sinking Titanic and participated in the Transatlantic tests.  He
says the term "DX" came from _D_istant _X_mtr or _X_mission.  There was
nothing in there at all about weak or foreign signals.  Jim also reminds
me that 1 watt into a good antenna will far outperform a full gallon into
a dummy load - antennas are still the key to good signal strength.
--
Karl Beckman, P.E.                <      If our English language is so   >
Motorola Private Data Systems     <   precise, why do you drive on the   >
Schaumburg, IL  /  Parma, OH      <   parkway and park on the driveway?  >
[phone] / [phone]
**  Opinions expressed here do NOT represent the views of Motorola Inc. **
--
Amateur radio WA8NVW                        NavyMARS NNN0VBH @ NOGBN.NOASI


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:21 1996
From: Jason <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs.ads,alt.bbs.lists,alt.bbs.wildcat,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.shortwave,alt.bbs,alt.bbs.doors,
Subject: Re: HAM-INFO-LINK-SOURCE-BBS
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 11:02:25 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4o5hmm$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4okdma$[e-mail]>

joseph a. cira wrote:
>
> jason
>
> THIS PERSON DOES NOT QUALIFY AS A HUMAN !?
> PAY IT NO MIND !
> YOUR JUST ANOTHER LUNITIC FROM THE ASYLUM !
> BYE FOREVER.
>
> JOE,KB6AXK
>


YES I TOO CAN TYPE IN ALL CAPS.  But I don't because people with a positive
IQ have figured out what the CAPS LOCK key is for :)

Jason


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:22 1996
From: [e-mail] (Kevin  AstirCS "1U"   KO0B)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SURVEY: How long did it take you to pass 13wpm code test?
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 11:15:22 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <4okl0f$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4ofjru$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4oi4sn$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (charles copeland) wrote
a bunch of stuff which I replyed to in new posting (Subject: CW Ego)
in r.r.a..policy,  as this branch of thead had strayed into territory
more appropriate for that group.

Appologies to those who will think this was a breach of nettiquete,

Further apolgies to the( probably larger number) others who think it
was overdue.

ko0b



From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:24 1996
From: [e-mail] (Kevin  AstirCS "1U"   KO0B)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Mobile Noise Help
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:15:11 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <4okogi$[e-mail]>
References: <4oic8d$[e-mail]>


I don't have an answer, but maybe if I "think out loud" I might  get
you thinking of something which will make things fit into place.

[e-mail] (Chris Smith, NR3O) wrote:
>I get a rushing hash (like white noise) only when the engine is under load.
Hmm.  "Only under load"  makes me think spark leakage (Higher voltage
under low vacuum)  But that sould be a tick-tick-tick...or a low buzz
if on all cylinders at high RPM.  Ignition noise is often dependant on
manifold vacuum (worse when low) and low vacuum is hard to get without
a load on engine. (meaning that racing engine with clutch in doesn't
cause ignition voltage increase)

Rushing hash makes me think computer noise, EFI or even a electric
fuel pump.

I guess fuel pump noise _ might_  be flow dependant??

>It is enough to wipe-out weaker stations, but not those louder ones.
>I throw in the clutch and it goes away, even if I then race the engine
>(leads me to think it's not ignition, but some sender unit--perhaps
>fuel injection electronics radiate only under load?).

Fuel injectors _might_ be it.  Maybe your EFI pulses the enjectors
more times (not ususl setup, usually it's longer pulse) under load.

I have seen injector drive circuits which give large "open" current
pulse followed by smaller holding current.  I suppose "progress" may
have given us regulation of the hold current by switching setup....In
that case, you'd get the switching hash only when fuel flow was
higher, and required injectors to open for longer than initial pulse
width.

Some high performance EFI setups use a second set of injectors under
high load, so maybe primary injectors are OK, and secondarys are
noisy.

>What device or other cause might do this?  I'd like some help before
>trial and error decoupling whatever I find under the hood <g>)

Ideas I'd try:

First  Make sure your barking up the correct tree: Put a short (or
dummy load) on antenna jack,  Ground the rig solidly, and make sure
noise stops.  If not, then noise is conducted, not radiated.

If it is radiated, Get some 100% (or as close as you can get...not
RS!) shielded RG-58, (actually anything is OK) and make a sniffer on
the end....maybe 1" diameter loop, or a 1/2" long whip.  Duct tape
sniffer in various places and see where you get the strongest noise.
Unless you have access to a dynamometer, you will still have to do
some trial and error, but at  least no soldering/splicing.   Try
various places under hood, and also near anything electronic which is
mounted elsewhere.   Make a sketch outline of car, and write S meter
readings at each point where probe was...follow any "slope" of
increasing readings to it's peak.

EFI computer is normally inside passenger compartment, and well hidden
under dash or behind trim panel...make sure you don't overlook it!

If the short whip seems to detect RF everywhere, then try the little
loop instead.

Finally, do what very few mechanics I have paid do: If you suspect  a
cause, go down the list of symtoms and see if you can find a likely
mechanism by which the suspect part could cause each symptom (load
dependant, constant rushing noise, etc.).  Write these down. Then
consider somthing else that might cause it., and do the same exercise.
When you run out of all ideas, then look at 3 or 4 most likely
candiates, and see if you can think of a test  or measurement which
will narrow the chase.  Only then should you start "fixing" it.

Too often, only the "main" symtom is considered, and parts "fixed" ,
when there is clear evidence that the trouble lies elsewhere.

GL, & 73,
ko0b



From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:24 1996
From: Siegfried Rambaum <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Technician
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 13:19:13 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

On Mon, 27 May 1996, ME wrote:

> Does the technician no-code class include operation on any HF bands(voice
> or CW)

NO

> Also this class includes ALL vhf bands right??

Full operating privileges on 50 MHz and up. Hey, fifty (aka six meter) is
something !!!


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:27 1996
From: [e-mail] (Richard Steven Walz)
Newsgroups: comp.robotics.misc,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Future postings of L.O.S.A ?
Date: 30 May 1996 13:23:33 GMT
Message-ID: <4ok7gl$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4o2lug$[e-mail]> <4o45fb$[e-mail]> <4oje7k$[e-mail]>

In article <4oje7k$[e-mail]>,
Bob Wilkins ~ n6fri <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Richard Steven Walz ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: P.S. L.O.S.A. is a mail list for stamp application technical notes,
>: and it is considered quite kosher to post in this neighborhood of the
>: UseNet.
>
>While most folks use a damp sponge to apply stamps, it might be more
--------------------------------------------
The Parallax BASIC Stamp is a microcontroller, you insipid Loser!
The L.O.S.A is the mailing list for their applications. It is posted
to electronics related groups once in a while. It is a Mailing List,
as in it HAS No ftp site or web site. It needs to be posted
periodically as does places where to find FAQ files need to be
posted!
-Steve

>kosher to just have a pointer to your ftp sites or learn the html code
>and put up a web page. Try to send your foul language to the hams to
>e-mail, or better yet put it in an audio file on your web server.
>In this neighborhood there are those who want to lick stamps...
>--
>       Bob Wilkins                   home    [e-mail]
> Berkeley Hills, California          work    [e-mail]
>         CM87uv                      play    n6fri@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.noam
--------------------------------------------------
It was you clowns who started trolling over here on sci.electronics.*
looking for trouble! These *GROUPS* don't post the LOSA notices! Get
your damned attribution skills honed a little better! If you want to
come looking for trouble, I'll tell you to go fuck yourself, and lick
your ass while you're at the stamps, eh! If you don't know these
words, look 'em up. They're in the OED!!
-Steve Walz   [e-mail]
P.S., I don't know why these whiners come here looking for trouble with
their X-Posting line identical to the Newsgroup: line! I just delete
'em! Serves them right! He wasn't from around here! If you lot want to
see nastiness, let that idiot live. If not, email your crap to him,
not me. Mine now goes to the Justice Department if you've been warned
before, and you'll be barred from further email to me if you TRY to take
this public issue to private email!! Respond in the public light of
day, or keep your mouth shut! Cheezeball anon-remailers have been
blocked.
-Steve
--
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mirrored: ftp://ieee.cas.uc.edu/pub/electronics/faqs/ftp.armory.com
and Europe: ftp://ftp.cised.unina.it/pub/electronics/ftp.armory.com
and Oz: ftp://ftp.peninsula.apana.org.au/pub/electronics/ftp.armory.com


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:29 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bob Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: TenTec 6M Kit Issue
Date: 30 May 1996 14:28:20 GMT
Message-ID: <4okba4$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

While at Dayton, I visited the TenTec booth and checked out their
6m kit.  This kit provides 8 (I think, maybe 5?) watts FM and they
claim it is illegal for them to sell a higher power version like
the 2m kit.  The 2m kit has an optional final stage to provide 35W.
They quoted me some FCC law prohibiting amplifiers for low power
6 meter gear.  Even their literature mentions this "law".

MFJ sells a 10w 6m ssb/cw rig that provides 10w and in their ad for
this piece, they specifically reccomend usin the Mirage 10W-->150W
amp (A-1015-G) or the Mirage 10W-->350W amp (A-1035-G) if you want
more power.

The folks at the TenTec booth told me that they don't know how Mirage
can get away with violating this law.  The TenTec folks told me that
since amps in this freq range (50mhz) can be used on 11m it was illegal
to sell.

I must admit having no experience with 6m but am now thinking of trying
this band becuase of the challenge.  Can anyone shed some light on this
issue?

Bob


--
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 *                KD1GG/KB1BRM/VK2GYN/7J1AIS                       *
 *                Manager of Application Engineering               *
 *                Mercury Computer Systems                         *
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 * Opinions expressed in this message are my own personal opinions *
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From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:30 1996
From: "joseph a. cira" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs.ads,alt.bbs.lists,alt.bbs.wildcat,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.shortwave,alt.bbs,alt.bbs.doors,
Subject: Re: HAM-INFO-LINK-SOURCE-BBS
Date: 30 May 1996 15:08:58 GMT
Message-ID: <4okdma$[e-mail]>
References: <4o5hmm$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

jason

THIS PERSON DOES NOT QUALIFY AS A HUMAN !?
PAY IT NO MIND !
YOUR JUST ANOTHER LUNITIC FROM THE ASYLUM !
BYE FOREVER.

JOE,KB6AXK






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From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:31 1996
From: Peter Bealo <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Letter to 73 Magazine Cancelling Subscription
Date: 30 May 1996 15:17:51 GMT
Message-ID: <4oke70$[e-mail]>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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Attached is a letter I sent today explaining why I am cancelling my
subscription to 73 Magazine. Its just food-for-thought and are just my
reasoning/opinions they are not the opinions of my employer (they
don't pay me to have opinions, especially those I send out over
Internet!) nor am I particularly encouraging them to be yours.

Peter Bealo  WB2MJG/1

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May 30, 1996

Wayne Green W2NSD/1
El Supremo and Founder
73 Magazine
70 N202
Peterborough, NH  03458-1107

I am writing to cancel the remainder of my subscription. With 6 months left on
 it, I really don't care too much whether you refund t=
he remainder or not. My only requests are:

1. I never get sent another of your magazines again - starting today

2. I be taken off your mailing list and whatever list you sell/rent to other c
ompanies

I've only been a ham for about 18 years, but I've read 73 for about 25 years.
Over the years I've generally found the magazine much =
more informative than QST and others and I've gotten a lot out of the editoria
ls.

Recently however I have noted a degradation in the quality of the magazine. Fe
wer good articles, a lot of pretty low level overviews=
, very subjective cursory equipment reviews, and a lot of pseudoscience. I fou
nd it easy to ignore the cold fusion stuff, but the re=
cent "bioelectrifier" garbage and "NASA faked the moonlanding" strangeness has
 pushed me over the edge.

I do not need 73 coming in my door again. I do not want to be put in a positio
n where I need to explain to my children why I read 73=
 when I won't read the National Inquirer or similar publications. I believe th
at treating pseudoscience in the same way we treat rea=
l science and engineering is a bad thing that has generally helped steer many
people (especially children!) away from the sciences a=
nd technology and towards such garbage as astrology, palm reading, nostradamus
 and UFOs. I perceive Wayne Green losing the ability t=
o think critically and differentiate between reality and fiction, and do not w
ish to see the further results of this loss nor suppor=
t it in any way.

Attached is a 73 address label that has my subscription information. Please ma
ke sure I do receive any more of these.




Peter Bealo
WB2MJG/1
82 Sweet Hill Rd.
Plaistow, NH  03865-2342

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From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:32 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Selling Prices of FT-50 HT
Date: Thu, 30 May 96 15:45:49 GMT
Message-ID: <4okk3d$[e-mail]>
References: <4oevmc$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (Chip) wrote:

> I paid 329.95 for mine there. All there prices are at least 10
>dollars cheaper than AES.

They're the best because you saved *Ten Bucks* ??  That won't even
cover the shipping costs you'll lose if you have a problem with an
uncooperative or incompetent dealer after the sale.

Geez, I don't even buy tires on this basis.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:33 1996
From: Gary Steckly <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Looking for CRT info for Heathkit 10 meg dual trace scope
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 16:24:19 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I recently acquired a Heathkit 10 meg oscilloscope - however the
CRT had been removed.  I don't have a manual either, so I have no
idea what type of tube was in it.

Would anyone have a Heathkit model IO-4210 scope out there who
would be willing to give me that info?  I would really like to get
a schematic for this thing too, and am willing to send a SASE with
a few bucks for the copying.

If you can help, please reply via email to [e-mail]

thanks

Gary


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:35 1996
From: Neil Soane <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Numbers stations.....what are they?
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 16:53:48 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Does anyone have any thoughts on what are known as 'Numbers stations'?
No-one seems to know where they are transmitted from and the fact that
they are sent on unscrambled voice channels and in areas of the HF
spectrum that are easily listened to, leads me to believe that they are
not intended for subversive operations. What are they used for? Who would
need such a simple code such as "Sierra Yankee Oscar two" or such like?

I can hear loads of these stations in the UK and most of them are
transmitted on the standard AM bands with some on USB.

They come and go, they may transmit for an hour or so and then are gone,
also they definitly pre-recorded or computer generated and are mostly in
English, although I have heard some in German and Slovak languages.

The other anomaly is the single letter CW stations, these are the
stations that continually send just a single letter of morse day in day
out. The frequency never changes and nor does the letter. Any thoughts?

I am sure that many people have asked this question and I would like to
hear the thoughts from some of the knowlegable people on here.

Please either mail directly to me or onto the newsgroup, I think it would
be interesting to see what people think.

Regards,

Neil




From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:36 1996
From: [e-mail] (Ed Arnold)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kentucky Ham Busted
Date: 30 May 1996 17:02:21 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Robert Casey)
wrote:

> Lets see if I got this straight:  A cop in Kentucky decides to bust
> someone he finds has a VHF transciever with him in his car.  The
> cop knows about the ham exemption in the state's scanner law, and
> realized that the person in question is a ham.  But the cop decides
> to ignore that law and bust the ham anyway.
> The radio, a Radio Shack HTX202, is examined, and is certified as
> not being able to transmit OR recieve on any police freqs.  But the
> judge decides to press the matter anyway.  Dispite the ham having
> two valid "outs" here: the ham exemption in the scanner law for
> radios that can recieve police freqs, and 2nd: the radio in question
> doesn't even have the ability to recieve police freqs anyway.
>
> What did I miss here?  I must have one or more facts wrong....

It must have happened in some small Kentucky town (perhaps like an Eastern
Kentucky town I used to live in) where one would be pulled over if you had
an out-of-county license plate and a CB antenna on your car. (You must
have been up to something illegal... bootlegging... etc.) Sometimes our
little town cops get so hungry for action they're overzealous.

Having been a news reporter in Kentucky (exempted by law from prosecution
in such matters) I carried with me at all times a copy of the attorney
general's opinion exempting news reporters, so that I could argue the law
right then and there if stopped. Never had to use it.

Ed

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               [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:37 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARLB036 Addition to ARLB035
Date: 30 May 1996 18:00:11 -0400
Message-ID: <$[e-mail]>


SB QST @ ARL $ARLB036
ARLB036 Addition to ARLB035

ZCZC AG16
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 36  ARLB036
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  May 30, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB036
ARLB036 Addition to ARLB035

The following name and address information was inadvertently omitted
from ARLB035.  Leslie Taylor, President, LTA, 6800 Carlynn Court,
Bethesda, MD 20817.  Email to [e-mail] or FAX
1-301-229-3148.
NNNN
/EX


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:38 1996
From: "Andrew D. Lawlor" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Letter to 73 Magazine Cancelling Subscription
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 18:31:14 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4oke70$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Peter,

The last 73 I purchased was, I believe, the February 1996 edition.
I had noticed a rapid decrease in the general quality of
content and production of the magazine, starting some time in mid-95
(atleast that's when I started to take notice).

Besides the quality issue, I honestly think I've read all I can
about how Wayne was hand picked by someone in New Hampshire to fix
everything that was wrong with state, about cold fusion, about
selling ragtime cd's, about how lazy and stupid I am, yada yada yada.

I USED to enjoy the magazine (about 5 years ago) and have been
buying fewer and fewer copies each year.  I find that more space
is being used to discuss more and more non-Ham related topics
in Wayne's "Never say die" editorials.  I'm sure the guy is smart &
obviously wealthy; however, I personally think he's losing his
tenuous grip on reality.  He even talks about this in one of his
columns when he's telling us about wacky stuff that shoudn't work
but does...

I guess I finally decided that 73 & Wayne weren't what I thought they were
sometime during the summer of 1994, when I logged onto the 73 BBS
to browse.  I was somewhat dissapointed that such a cutting edge
fellow was running a measly 2400 baud modem on his board.  I left
a message asking why the "company" couldn't invest 150 bucks and get
a faster modem and was told that it was too great an expense.  Ouch.
Can anyone spell cheapskate?  Over the last 10 years I've read where
Wanye has said he'd willingly lose money on 73/Radio Fun/whatever
if he thought it was helping the ham community (even a tiny portion
of the ham community).  Well, he blew that when he said he
couldn't afford to by a 14.4 modem for his 73 BBS. It showed me
that he was just too cheap & unconcerned about his "readers."

I was also a dissapointed with his whole attitude towards on-line
activities and his general disdain for the INTERNET & E-Mail.  I think
that in 1996, if you haven't established a "web page" for your
magazine/company, you are doing yourself a great disservice.  I wonder
if Wayne even knows what one is?  He used to be such a great technological
pioneer... as long as there is a profit involved, I'd guess.  Just imagine
the number of hams that have access to the Internet...

I also took the time to write Wayne a letter in February/March describing why
I wasn't purchasing 73 anymore and I'm sure it found its way right
into the round file where it belonged.  On that happy note...

73  Andy KC6NMD


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:39 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: Chris Broadbent <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Letter to 73 Magazine Cancelling Subscription
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4oke70$[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 18:39:32 GMT

Peter Bealo wrote:
>
> <Letter to 73 Mag explaining cancellation of subscription in part due to pse
udoscience and other weirdness deleted>

I too subscribe to 73 Magazine.  But this latest issue has what must be the
strangest editorial yet.  I cannot understand why Wayne Green believes so
strongly that the manned Moon landings were faked after reading that one book.

Some/all the Manned moon landings left two types of instrument on the surface
that can possibly invalidate this belief:

- the ALSEPS packages.  These were shut down from the ground in 1978, but
surely there are many Hams who intercepted signals from these packages before
the shutdown.

- the retroreflectors.  These are in use today, from McDonald Observatory in
Texas, among other places, to measure the distance of the Moon from the Earth
using lasers.  Without the retroreflectors, this would not be possible (do the

math - it's pretty clear that it wouldn't work without them).

In addition, I believe that some Hams from the Apollo era actually intercepted

communications from the spacecraft themselves.  Such transmissions from
spacecraft traversing cis-lunar space would be very hard to fake.  Surely
someone on Usenet actually picked up signals from an Apollo spacecraft or
ALSEPS package - please speak up if so!

I suppose it is possible to say the aforementioned packages were left on the
moon by unmanned missions and spacecraft communications were merely from
unmanned vehicles, or that anyone claiming to have picked up signals or
bounced a laser beam off the reflectors is part of a great conspiracy.
However, if Occam's Razor is applied, it becomes apparent that the simplest
explanation is not the one postulated by Mr. Green.

Besides, how often is the  government that successful in keeping any secrets,
let alone such a secret in which so many people would have to have been
involved?

Cheers,

Chris.


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:41 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Rochester, NY Hamfest / New York State Atlantic Division / ARRL Convention
Date: 30 May 96 18:41:03 GMT
Message-ID: <"30-May-96.14:40:41".*[e-mail]>

Say folks,
 I just wanted to let you know, or remind you in case you forgot, about the
Rochester, NY Hamfest, so I can see you there.
73
Tony N2TRV


 Rochester, NY Hamfest / New York State Atlantic Division / ARRL Convention

Addmission: $8.00 at the gate

When :  May 31, June 1-2

Where:  Monroe County Fairgrounds  Rt. 15A Rochester, NY

Time: 6:00 am May 31 -  Outdoor Flea Market open, 6:30 pm Annual Banquet

Time: 8:30 am - 5:30pm  June 1 -  Exhibit Hall Open

Time: 8:30am - 1:30pm  June 2 - Exhibit Hall Open

Time : 1:00 pm  June 2 - GRAND AWARD

DIRECTIONS:The Rochester Hamfest is at the Monroe County fairgrounds, Route 15
A
and calkins Road, in the town of Henrietta, NY.  Headquaters Hotel is the
Rochester Marriott Thruway, Route 15, one mile Southe of Route 253.  Handicap
parking is available
  OFFICAL TALK-IN REPEATER 146.28/88

For more info -
Internet :  http://www.vivanet.com/-rochfst/hf/main96.html
Email:  [e-mail]

ALL ARE WELCOME


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:41 1996
From: [e-mail](Jim Lowman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: New News Group - rec.radio.amateur.repeater
Date: 30 May 1996 18:45:22 GMT
Message-ID: <4okqc2$[e-mail]>
References: <4o5cdb$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> Richard Cohen <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>Kevin Mitchell wrote:
>>
>> I would to get interest in opening a new news group and listing it
>> under the name of
>>
>> "rec.radio.amateur.repeater"
[snip]

I would be for it.  Now, I suppose we'll have to explain the concept of
a repeater, the way the proponents of rec.radio.amateur.dx had to.

73 de Jim - KF6CR



From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:42 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Richard Lubash)
Subject: Re: TS-870S QSK
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 19:11:51 GMT
References:  <4og6bn$[e-mail]>

While your at it has anyone experienced a speaker popping when using
QSK. The popping was accompanied with sticking in transmit which was
solved when Kenwood sent me new eproms but the popping remains. Any
input would be welcome.

73
Richard N1VXW

-------------------------------------------------

Richard Lubash

email [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:43 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CB bootleggers on 10 meters
Date: Thu, 30 May 96 19:13:58 GMT
Message-ID: <4ol09n$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

   [e-mail] (Jack Giehl) wrote:

>Apparently, some CB types have decided to make 10 meters their home.
>I believe the signals may be coming from New York state.

If you think it's bad now, wait till the propagation cycle improves.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:44 1996
From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Letter to 73 Magazine Cancelling Subscription
Date: Thu, 30 May 96 19:19:17 GMT
Message-ID: <4ol0jm$[e-mail]>
References: <4oke70$[e-mail]>

Many years ago, W.G. published an editorial in one of his rags
proposing that C.B.'ers be allowed to run a KW.  It was obviously
aimed at improving circulation sales among his CB audience.  I've
refused to purchase anything with his name on it ever since.

73,
Jack  WB3U


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:45 1996
From: [e-mail] (Steve Thomason)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 19:22:09 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <4oodqg$[e-mail]>
References: <4o3j7t$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Robert Luursema <[e-mail]> wrote:

>After reading the recent postings about the subject, I still don't know
>for sure what the term "boatanchors" means.

>My association with this word  I think of out dated, not properly working
>equipment, that are only good enough to be used as ballast or dead weight
>or withg a rope on it as a boat anchor.

A "boatanchor" in this instance is a rig manufactured from the 1930' s
through, say, the 1960's.  An example would be a Johnson Valiant, a
Collins 32V-1, a Hammurland HQ150, etc.

>But if that is true, why spend a news group on it?

Many hams (and non-hams) are very much interested in the acquisition,
restoration, and operation of this vintage equipment.   Radios that
"Glow in the Dark" , weigh about a 100 lbs. or so, and that very well
could be used as a "boatanchor," are the passion of many of us.

Sort of like 1957 Chevrolets, MacIntosh stereos, and vintage Leica
cameras are to some.

>I don't like to see again those posts about my rig is better than yours;
>yours is dog s??t; toss it overboard ("boatanchor"). Whit this kind of
>postings we all can do without.

I don't see how this relates to the discussion.  Maybe I missed some
postings.

I am personally in favor of the name for the group being
"rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors."  I don't understand what the problem
is; of course, I am well versed with the usage of the term
"boatanchors" since I have many of them myself and am a contributor to
Electric Radio.  However, I also have modern "state-of-the-art"
equipment and am not interested in getting into a big fight over the
name to be used for the group.

Let's just vote on it and get on with it.  I am looking forward to the
group, irregardless of its name.



From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:46 1996
From: [e-mail] (Matthew Delaney)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.skywarn,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ham Bands threat & Recent WX disasters..
Date: 30 May 1996 20:20:45 GMT
Message-ID: <4okvut$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

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Jeremy Charles ([e-mail]) in article ve <Pine.SOL.3.91.960530101943
[e-mail]> on Thu, 30 May 1996 10:26:31 -0500 wrote:
: Just for everyone's info..  a local ham here in Madison contacted David
: Sumner via E-mail.  David's only response was to say that it was not a
: hoax.  This still doesn't explain why mentions of the two bands are
: absent from the source material, but perhaps this will be explained later
: on.
: Do the research yourself and come to your own conclusion on this (and any
<CUT>

Well, I just called the ARRL (800-243-7767) and asked them. According the
guy I was transfered to, this is NOT a hoax. He admitted it was kind of
unbelivable, but the David Sumner information appears to be correct, and
there is a petition underway. He then encouraged me to take action to try
to help protect the 2M and 70cm bands.

Matt, N2MDB
PGP key by fingering [e-mail] or from your favorate key server.
- --
Matthew Delaney  N2MDB    [e-mail]   ax.25: n2mdb@k2sk.#eny.ny.usa.na
Technical Engineer - @North.    Head IMP - Quasar MUD (delaney.j51.com:4000)
Personal - http://www.j51.com/~delaney    @North Group - http://www.chsn.org
New York City Metro Skywarn Observer

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From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:47 1996
From: [e-mail](Jim Lowman)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: THERE ISNT ANY PROBLEM!( was Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 30 May 1996 21:25:12 GMT
Message-ID: <4ol3no$[e-mail]>
References: <4nsus6$[e-mail]> <4ntsin$[e-mail]> <4o1msu$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Erik K.Sorgatz)
writes:

> Oh yes it is! There are some news-software packages out there that
wont
>handle 4 layer newsgroup name extensions!

There are also lots of news-software packages out there that have no
problem with four or more layers - sounds like you need a better
newsreader.

Jim



From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:48 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai)
Subject: Re: Another Ramsey kit to avoid
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4oksc5$[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 22:12:29 GMT

In article <4oksc5$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Carl Steck
ler) writes:
-In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
->I picked up the FM-6 "Crystal Control Micro Size FM Transmitter Kit",
->hoping to use it as a Fox transmitter.
->
->This is a surface-mount kit with a varactor-tuned crystal oscillator around
->12 MHz followed by a quadrupler and a tripler to get to 2M.  What it doesn't
->have is ANY filtering.
-Mike, I also looked at this kit in the catalog, you know what? there is no
-mention of filters. So what's the bitch? It is not as if they promised you
-filters and you didn't get them.

The ad doesn't mention any other part of the circuit either...  What I
expected was a kit that, when built according to their instructions,
would be legal to use.  This kit does NOT meet FCC harmonics requirements,
and transmits on frequencies that ARE NOT licensed for this purpose (FM
broadcast band, aircraft band, etc.) while also transmitting on the intended
frequency.  The filter should have been included as part of a decent (or
just legal) design.

-They offer suggestions to try as in modifing the kits I have purchased.

Why should I have to modify a kit to get it to perform as described?

-Another thing, just what did you expect for what they were charging for this
-kit. Sounds like you want top of the line for little or nothing.

No, I just wanted a 2M transmitter without the hassle of designing one
myself.  There is no reason that they couldn't have added filtering at
that price...

->On the other hand, I am just finishing up the Ten Tec 2M kit;
-How much more was the TenTec kit? Might there be a correlation?

Apples and oranges here...  The Ten Tec kit is a full 2M transceiver,
and is priced comparably to the Ramsey FTX-146 (which, according to the
QST review, is also a kit of questionable performance and legality...)
On features, the Ten Tec 1220 beats the FTX-146 hands-down; it has a
full front panel, CTCSS, mike and mobile bracket, and place for an
internal 35W amp for about $20 more than the Ramsey.

/mike

--
\|/     Michael L. Ardai        N1IST       [e-mail]     \|/
-*- --- Boston Amateur Radio Club:  http://www.barc.org/barc --- -*-
/|\        or send "info barc-list" to [e-mail]        /|\


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:49 1996
From: Magnus S÷derlund <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: EME - Expeditions ?
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 00:09:45 +0200
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Hello !

 Thanxs for reading this news.

 I'm woundering if there is a Mailing list or a WEB-Site where i can
 find a list over 2m EME expeditions.

 Please Mail me at:

  [e-mail]

 73 de SM3VTS / Magnus


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:51 1996
From: [e-mail] (A.G. von Luternow)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Letter to 73 Magazine Cancelling Subscription
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 01:08:23 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4oke70$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

        73 Magazine used to impress me. It was a viable alternative to
CQ's contest and award oriented view and offered something different
from QST. At one time I was a subscriber but took offense to a
"contract" that was offered on the table of contents page and
cancelled my subscription (late '80's).
        Since that time I have bought less than a dozen copies at the
news stand and saw no reason to purchase the following issue. It seems
that Wayne no longer has the intensity of his earlier days and his
publication is not worth spending the occasional $3.95(?) for. His
editorials (the few that I have read recently) seem to glorify his
experiences and abilities of the past and bear no relevance to today.
The tech and construction articles leave a lot to be desired. Why is
an annual antenna issue required when it merely rehashes the same old
old? Two transistor crystal-controlled transmitters and regenerative
receivers for HF are not the construction articles I look for.
        The N2NSD/1 I used to feel I knew has passed on leaving an
empty shell. I regret this apparent fact and can only thank God he
doesn't spend his time posting his editorial comments to
rec.radio.amateur.misc.
        Wayne, I am sincerely sorry it has come this.

73 de N4JVP
Fritz


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:52 1996
From: Robert Spangle <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Wire for sale:  THE BEST AROUND!!!
Date: 31 May 1996 01:20:42 GMT
Message-ID: <4olhha$[e-mail]>

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9 Colonial Dr.
Wichita Falls, TX 76306



From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:54 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Rooster)
Subject: beginner info
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 02:09:50 GMT

hi,

i am 36 years old, i live near Louisville, Ky (Greenville, IN, zip
47122).  i have worked with electronic equipment including radio,
aircraft nav, computers, and sats for about 16 years.  i am a college
grad and have about 8 hrs in classes from the EE dept.  as a kid i knew
code.

i have never had an amateur license, but i would like to get one now.  i
have 2 very young boys and they may be interested in radio some day.

i am new to this area and don't know anyone here.  how do i go about
taking a test for a license?  which test should i study for?  i
don't think i'll be erecting any 160 m antennas.  tests on
electronic stuff don't scare me.  i would have to relearn morse
code.

thanks a bunch for any help or links to someone else who can.

---
 ■ OLX 2.1 TD ■ When the going gets wierd, the wierd turn pro-  HST

--
rooster



From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:55 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bill Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ky Ham Bust Info From ARRL Letter
Date: 31 May 1996 03:49:51 GMT
Message-ID: <4olq8v$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Steve King ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Sounds like the cops radio may have overloaded the front-end of the
: HTX-202 and caused it to break squelch.  I noticed that the cop never

Exactly.

: said anything about hearing the kid on police frequencies or hearing
: his transmission on the HTX-202.  IMHO, it sounds like purely
: coincedental and circumstantial evidence.  If the cop heard the kid on
: his freq or heard his voice from his cop radio on the HTX-202, then he
: would have a case.  But as it is, I hope the kid sues the state and

Not necessarily. With front end overload, a strong signal can get through.
The cop being able to hear his own transmissions on the 202 would be as
meaningless as breaking squelch.

: gets enough money to go to college and then retire. :-)

I would hope so, as well.  And, if it is the judge who is the roadblock,
there should be a move to remove him from the bench - for incompetance.

Bill


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:57 1996
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: German hams
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 05:40:35 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4o3gpo$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Siegfried Rambaum wrote:

> Burt, you might not be aware of it. Your psyche is exactly, what that book
> talks about.... Uninformed prejudice as a foundation for insensible,
> though arrogantly righteous behaviour. Before you react to this, think a
> single moment, maybe you might see the truth of this statement. But then,
> I doubt that you would ...

How an I uninformed. Germans killed Jews, Germans sent poison gas to Iraq,
Germans started both World Wars. This activity is not restricted to Germans
but they are pretty good at it.

Of course mant Germans are caring decent people but there is a trait
that causes them to think they are the superior race.

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]   [e-mail]     MAC is 5% of the market  |
#======================================================================#

There are those that the following applies:
Why is it that if you disagree with what I have to say, you feel
compelled to call my employer? Do it if you must but you better be good
at it. If you do not kill the king, the king will kill you.


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:58 1996
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: I support the LEO and the loss of ham frequencies.
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 05:47:17 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Clearly almost anyone can better use ham frequencies than hams can.
Have you listened to the important conversations plus contests
and useless traffic on ham bands. If the FCC wiped out ham radio
today 99% of the public would be unaffected. Even most hams
would be unaffected as they are either dead, should be dead, or
inactive.

I think I will write my congressIT.


#================#=====================================================#|  Bur
t Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#| k1oi
[e-mail]   [e-mail]     MAC is 5% of the market  |
#======================================================================#


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:29:59 1996
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: German hams
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 06:23:35 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4ojqo7$[e-mail]>

Kebsch wrote:

> since the day when I was born, 6 years after the WWII, approx. every week,
> I am hearing or reading that I am a bad guy because I am born in Germany.

There is a reason for that.


> Anyway, I have learned to deal with it. Because I have been in many countrie
s
> all over this world on all continents for many times I have learned that it
> is very important to meet people and to see the human behind a person and
> not his nationality or his race!

True but there is a tendency for people of similar backgrounds to act in the
same way. You look like a decent guy.

> Today we are living in the year 1996 and the WWII is about more than 50 year
s
> history. Since 1945 many things have changed here in Germany. Do you have
> been in Germany during the last past 20 years? What do you realy know about
> Germany and The Germans?

Germany still sold materials to make poision gas to Iraq, in the 90s.
Some things do not change.
Kohl keeps talking about the "fatherland", as did Hitler.



> I am not in the position to give you any advice, but maybe you should open
> your mind .. just a little bit ..?
You are right.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]   [e-mail]     MAC is 5% of the market  |
#======================================================================#


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:00 1996
From: [e-mail] (Guy Teague)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: I support the LEO and the loss of ham frequencies.
Date: 31 May 1996 06:49:09 -0400
Message-ID: <4omir5$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

I support putting Mr. Fisher in Low Earth Orbit.
--
Cheers  73 de  [e-mail]  "They're out there"              K Kesey
Guy     KG5VT  [e-mail]  "Hey don't eat that yellow snow" F Zappa


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:01 1996
From: Len Winkler <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Band Threat:Discussed on National Show
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 09:49:59 -0700
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

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--
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From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:03 1996
From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: No-coders!  VHF is enough!
Date: 31 May 1996 09:56:52 GMT
Message-ID: <4omfp4$[e-mail]>
References: <4oiaqi$[e-mail]>

Scott Rosenfeld NF3I ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I dunno what all of the stink is about.  A No-Code Tech
: license gets you access, FULL access to over 98% of the
: Amateur Spectrum!  You can only do 300 baud below 30 MHz
: anyway, and can hardly talk to someone across town!

: HF requires large antennas.  HF Radios are expensive.
: Propagation is spotty at best.  Sure, 20m may be the
: backbone of communications, but to predictably
: work into Europe on HF?  Use the phone - it's much
: cheaper anyway (10 cents/minute).  Use the Internet
: (cheaper still!).  Use moonbounce :-)

: I guess what I'm saying is that the code/no-code debate
: isn't a debate at all!  No-coders have 6m and up!
: Satellites!  High-speed packet!  ATV!  SSTV!  Clover!
: High-speed microwave links!  It's EVERYTHING you want!
: There's TONS of room for everyone up there!

: So NO WHINING about not having access to HF.  It's
: a challenge to operate HF, as is learning CW.  In other
: words, if you don't see the challenge in learning CW
: as a challenge, you likely wouldn't like HF anyway.

: Use those V/U/microwave bands before the commercial
: interests come along and decide they want it instead,
: and are willing to pay megabucks for it.
: --
: * Scott Rosenfeld NF3I Burtonsville, MD FM19  QRV 80-10/6/2/440 *
: *** VHF @ <25w, HF @ <5w *** Save a cake, pound BRASS instead ***
: * 138 cfd with dipoles * QRP-L #147 QRP ARCI #9054 DXCC/WAS/WAC *
: * 301-549-1022 h / 301-982-1015 w * 145.490-  147.225+ PL 156.7 *

--Well, you can enjoy world-wide, independant communication on HF with
  simple, inexpensive, low-powered, and even homebuilt equipment.

  Frankly, I would get more satisfaction working a station 1000 miles
  distant on 40 meters, with 25 watts CW and a long wire antenna, with
  a transmitter I built myself.

  VHF and UHF seem so pre-packaged and unchallenging.

  shane













From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:04 1996
From: CrACKeD <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: I support the LEO and the loss of ham frequencies.
Date: 31 May 1996 12:06:01 -0700
Message-ID: <4onfup$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4omir5$[e-mail]>

Guy Teague <[e-mail]> wrote:
: I support putting Mr. Fisher in Low Earth Orbit.

I second the motion.  Apparently Mr. Fisher has not been involved in the
public service side of amateur radio.



From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:05 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: "T. Ronald Davis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: repeater question
Message-ID: <01bb4f26.381d0c80$384060cc@dell100>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:20:25 -0700

I'm new (actually reborn) into the amateur radio hobby.  Just upgraded my
15 year old Novice license so I can play on VHF.  I've read a lot and
listened a lot but heard a comment on the radio last night I can't find
any reference to.   A fellow was having a problem keying up a repeater
(and was quickly talking on the tails of another user).  The successful
user told the other fellow that he need to enter a "PL of 1414".  What the
heck is a PL???  I understand CTCSS and DTMF but have never seen or heard
reference to a PL.

Thanks

WB7VSG (old newbie)



From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:07 1996
From: [e-mail] (William L. Fuqua III)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CW Outdated
Date: 31 May 96 12:39:10 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>



>
>: Ron Atkinson writes:

>Sounds like you've never heard of mitigated spread spectrum before. It
>gets through just fine. Our tests are in conditions almost twice as bad
>as a nuclear war would cause. The problem was solved back in the 70's
>as to how to get through.
>
   Let's see the data and references.
73 Bill ko4ww

  William L. Fuqua III  P.E.  E-mail [e-mail]  Phone [phone]
5
  Department of Physics and Astronomy      CP-177 Chem. Phys. Bldg.
  University of Kentucky ,                 Lexington, Ky 40506-0055





From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:08 1996
From: Ray Wilson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Feedback on MFJ HF tuners please.
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:50:32 -0400
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4olsol$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Gerald:

Here is a quirk of the MFJ tuners:

The dummy load ain't so dumb.  If I select the dummy load with an
antenna attached to the tuner, then key up, enough RF will find it's way
to the antenna to get S-7 reports within a mile or so.

Ray




Gerald Phillips wrote:
>
> I am thinking about buying an MFJ HF tuner (specifically the 300w one
> with dummy load, etc.)  Looking on some feedback about them and any
> expereiences (good or bad) folks have had.  Also reccomendations on
> other tuners is fine also.  Thanks.
>
> KE4MBD
> Gerald


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:09 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SURVEY: How long did it take you to pass 13wpm code test?
Date: 31 May 1996 13:16:55 GMT
Message-ID: <4omrg7$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4ofjru$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4oi4sn$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4okl0f$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

In <4okl0f$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Kevin  Asti
rCS "1U"   KO0B) writes:
>[e-mail] (charles copeland) wrote
>a bunch of stuff which I replyed to in new posting (Subject: CW Ego)
>in r.r.a..policy,  as this branch of thead had strayed into territory
>more appropriate for that group.
>
>Appologies to those who will think this was a breach of nettiquete,
>
>Further apolgies to the( probably larger number) others who think it
>was overdue.
>
>ko0b
>


Hi,
 It took me about 200 hrs of listening to code tapes. It took my son who was 1
1
at that time, 5 (five) hours. He never listened to a code tape. He 'did code'
an
hour a week at the class that our local club puts on.  He had a much tougher
time with the theory because he had little to equate the analogies to.
 It took me about 50 hrs to get to 20 WPM. I was 30 years older than when I di
d
the 13 WPM but, I didn't feel any pressure to do it. I just thought it might b
e fun
to try, and it turned out to be just that. I can take or leave code. Whatever
works,
however cw will get through a heck of a lot of QRM.  Thinking of QRM, we need
a Q signal for net made noise. QRW? W for whining.

                                                                  Jim


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:10 1996
From: "Dwight Osen" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 13:58:56 -0500
Message-ID: <01bb4f23.c5e9bca0$[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4o1q2d$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

One of my theories about CW is, it  keeps the wantabees from buying a
radio and just jumping on the bands that are crouded enough.



From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:10 1996
From: "William E. Sabin" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Letter to 73 Magazine Cancelling Subscription
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:30:06 -0700
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4oke70$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4olrri$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Chris Broadbent wrote:

>
> Thus, the power of the collected energy is:
>
> 4)      5 x 10^4 * 3.5 x 10^-18 ~= 1.8 x 10^-13 Watts
>

At a fairly low sky temperature, a low noise receiver will detect several
orders of magnitude weaker signal than this.

Bill Sabin W0IYH


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:12 1996
From: [e-mail] (Robert Morgenstein)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Outdated.
Date: 31 May 1996 14:47:35 GMT
Message-ID: <4on0q7$[e-mail]>
References: <4najt8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

charles copeland ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>,
: Andrew D. Lawlor <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >charles copeland wrote:
: >
: >> English is the international language. Most Europeans know English.
: >> Maybe someday I will learn Cantonese, much more useful than CW.
: >
: >And what use would that be?  I was in Hong Kong a few years ago with a fell
a that

: LEARN TO USE WORD WRAP!

: >> >It's not so much "whiners" as "whingers" who can't get their own way as
: >> >minority group.
: >>
: >> What is a whinger? Not in my webster dictionary.
: >> I got my way, got my general in spite of distate for CW.
: >
: >Are you being serious here?  You mean that you couldn't figure out
: >he meant whiner vice whinger?  A simple typo, don't be so critical.

: Very serious. Turns out the fellow mentions "whinger" means something
: in Aussie land, if you read other posts, but he didn't elaborate.

: >> Whose the minority group? No Code Techs are growing by leaps and bounds,
: >> while HF Hams are dropping like flies. My guess is the average age
: >> of hams on HF is 70, and rising yearly. No Code Techs will rule all
: >> the airways in a very few short years. CW will be dropped without a doubt
.
: >
: >That would be a great trick.  With all the new, supposedly young, hams join
ing
: >the ranks in "leaps and bounds" how could the average age rise yearly?  I'm


: The new hams are no-code. If you look above I was refering to HF hams.
: HF ham ages are rising, no-code average age is irrelavant.

: >> Don't like what? I paid my dues. I earned the right to complain about CW.
: >> I was forced to learn CW if I wanted to get my HF voice priveledges.
: >
: >This is a comon complaint, being "forced" to learn CW.  Since you're a fan
: >of Webster's perhaps you could look up the definition of forced.  When were
 you
: >"compelled by force" to learn CW? [snip due to wrap]

: You conveniently skipped "if". If one wants HF voice priveledges,
: one is forced to learn CW. Thats the requirement ... for now.

: >Perhaps you meant required?  Here again, you didn't earn the right to compl
ain, you
: >were born with that constitutional right to do so.

: The code-nazis seem to thing the whining no-coders don't have
: a right to complain until they have "gone thru the pain I did".

: >73 KC6NMD Andy
: >PS I hope you enjoy your new, increased HF privledges.

: Thanks. We all have opinions, likes and dislikes.

: 73 KB0WOB Charles
HELLO TO ALL;
If you have gotten this far with all the threads regarding CW, I am going
to present a differant view point.
A while ago I had throat surgery. Conversation ( talking ) was not possible,
for a number of days. During those days I had many hours of enjoyment
with CW and was able to " talk " to my hearts content. No one is
guaranted tomorrow. You never know what is around the corner in your life.
My ability to " talk " CW was a saving grace during my post operative days.
73's to all;
Bob WA2EAW


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:14 1996
From: [e-mail](Jim Lowman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Public Notice
Date: 31 May 1996 15:42:32 GMT
Message-ID: <4on418$[e-mail]>
References: <4o4c19$[e-mail]> <4o791s$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4okvvq$[e-mail]>

In <4okvvq$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(WB3U) writes:

>Type acceptance of commercially-manufactured VHF/UHF gear would
>only raise the price.  What the F.C.C. should have done years ago
>was to A) require that it be impossible to expand the frequency
>coverage of such equipment without replacement of permanently-
>installed components, and B) prohibit the sale of transmitting
>equipment to any person who doesn't possess a license for which
>the equipment is applicable.

1)  Naturally.

A)  True, if it were built in at the design stage, like the Radio Shack
    HTX-202 HT.  Probably the most FAQ about that transceiver is how to
    modify it for out-of-band *receive* which I understand is not
    possible.  But, since the Japanese manufacturers design for a world
    market, would it be as simple as the various models of VHF/UHF
    transceivers, depending on the country of import?  I'm no engineer,
    but I would theorize that opening up a 2-meter rig for 144-148 MHz
    operation, when it was intended for a 2-MHz segment of that band,
    may be as simple as including/snipping a diode.

B)  This is a good argument on paper but, followed to an extreme, my
    wife would not have been able to have bought the HTX-202 for my
    birthday last year.

Good thoughts, though.

73 de Jim - KF6CR



From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:15 1996
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4o3j7t$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:54:14 GMT

Robert Luursema  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>My association with this word  I think of out dated, not properly working
>equipment, that are only good enough to be used as ballast or dead weight
>or withg a rope on it as a boat anchor.
>But if that is true, why spend a news group on it?

Hi Robert, Why not subscribe to the Boatanchors newsgroup for a few
days to see exactly why such a list should be turned into a newsgroup?
All your questions will be answered and you'll walk away from the
experience with a new understanding.

To sub, send an email to [e-mail] and only write:
subscribe boatanchors <your name here>
and you'll be hooked up. The list owner requires a subscription fee
of $12/yr but I believe there is a free trial period.

73 from Hawaii,
Jeff KH2PZ/KH6

P.S. Make sure you keep the FAQ that will be sent to you so you'll know
how to unsubscribe.


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:16 1996
From: [e-mail](Jim Lowman)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with tale name of "boatanchors"?
Date: 31 May 1996 16:05:46 GMT
Message-ID: <4on5cq$[e-mail]>
References: <4o3j7t$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]> Robert Luursema
<[e-mail]> writes:
>
>After reading the recent postings about the subject, I still don't
know
>for sure what the term "boatanchors" means.
>
>My association with this word  I think of out dated, not properly
working
>equipment, that are only good enough to be used as ballast or dead
weight
>or withg a rope on it as a boat anchor.
>
>But if that is true, why spend a news group on it?

For one thing, a lot of hams collect this older equipment, and take
pride in maintaining/restoring it to operating condition, and actually
using it on the air.

>I don't like to see again those posts about my rig is better than
yours;
>yours is dog s??t; toss it overboard ("boatanchor"). Whit this kind of

>postings we all can do without.

I agree, and I doubt that you would see such postings in the proposed
newsgroup; at least, not from the dedicated collectors.

Perhaps you don't quite understand the concept of a "boatanchor?"

73 de Jim - KF6CR



From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:17 1996
From: [e-mail] (Maurice Andries)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kentucky Ham Busted
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 16:34:02 GMT
Message-ID: <4on6tv$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <4nseus$[e-mail]> <4o1m9o$[e-mail]> <4o4ph8$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:

Hi Jack,

>Doesn't it bother anyone that the right of an individual to listen
>to whatever he chooses has been rescinded?  This used to be one of
>the things our government claimed set us apart from the now-defunct
>Soviet Union.  First it was microwave transmissions, now police
>communications.  What's next, the SW bands?

In Belgium (not part of the former USSR) we are NOT allowed to listen to
police, fire dept..... We can't even own a radio capable of receiving these
frequencies. The law here states clearly that we can only listen to
broadcaststations and amateurbands. If you take this very strictly then it's
even illegal to listen (or monitor) pressagency RTTY, weathersatellites...
The last few years scanners came into the belgian market thatr were type
approved because their coverage was modified from 25-1200 Mhz to 88-108,
144-146 and 430-440 Mhz (just BC and Ham).
The funny part is that a Belgian citizen living just meters inside the Belgian
border cannot listen to the police but his Dutch neighbour living a few meters
accross the border can do so completely legal! Now that what I call European
unity.... :-)
BTW, I think that Belgium will not be able to restict reception of radiosignal
much longer because of the 'free movement of people and services' within the
European Union.....



Just my 2 cents, Your mileage may vary
Opinions are my own (most of the time).

73 de Maurice, [e-mail] (internet)
               ON4BAM@ON6AR.#AN.BEL.EU
               http://user.glo.be/~mauricea (Ham links and station info)





From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:18 1996
From: "William E. Sabin" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Letter to 73 Magazine Cancelling Subscription
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:02:22 -0700
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4oke70$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4olrri$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

Chris Broadbent wrote:
>
> William E. Sabin wrote:

> > At a fairly low sky temperature, a low noise receiver will detect several
> > orders of magnitude weaker signal than this.
> >
> > Bill Sabin W0IYH
>
> The discussion is about detection at OPTICAL wavelengths.  If you do
> indeed mean this (thus confusing me about the reference to sky
> temperature), then what type of receiver would detect such low level
> visible light energy?
> A previous post gave this comment about radio moonnbounce:

"I suggest you try doing the calculations again. It would be easier than
Amateur VHF/UHF moonbounce communication - for a variety of reasons."

The comparison betweeen optical and RF moonbounce might be interesting if
someone has the numbers (I don't).

Bill


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:19 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: Chris Broadbent <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Letter to 73 Magazine Cancelling Subscription
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4oke70$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4olrri$[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:17:36 GMT

Bill Nelson wrote:
>
> Chris Broadbent ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
> : - the retroreflectors.  These are in use today, from McDonald Observatory
in
> : Texas, among other places, to measure the distance of the Moon from the Ea
rth
> : using lasers.  Without the retroreflectors, this would not be possible (do
 the
> : math - it's pretty clear that it wouldn't work without them).
>
> I suggest you try doing the calculations again. It would be easier than
> Amateur VHF/UHF moonbounce communication - for a variety of reasons.
>
> Bill

Assumptions:

-       Distance of Moon                       = 3.6 x 10^8 Meters
-       Laser Pulse Power                      = 10^6 Watts
-       Diameter of Laser Spot on Moon         = 10 Kilometers
-       Albedo of Moon Surface                 = 0.05
-       Collecting Area of Receiving Telescope = 3 Square Meters (ie, a pretty big
                                                 telescope with a 2 meter diam
eter
                                                 mirror)

The laser pulse illuminates a spot on the moon without a retroreflector.  The
light
emerging from the illuminated spot has lost coherence and collimation.  A spot
 10KM
in diameter on the Moon is small when viewed from the Earth.  Thus, for practi
cal
purposes, it is a point source of light, shining equally in all directions pos
sible
from the Moon's surface (ie, a half sphere of illumation).


Calculations:

Given the Albedo of the Moon, the power of the reflected light is:

1)      10^6 Watts * 0.05 = 5 x 10^4 Watts

The area of the shell of illumation reaching the Earth's distance is:

2)      2 * Pi * (3.6 x 10^8)^2 ~= 8.5 x 10^17 Square Meters (a half sphere)

The collecting area of the receiving telescope is 3 Square Meters.  Thus, the
ratio
of collected light to total light is:

3)      3 / 8.5 x 10^17 ~= 3.5 x 10^-18

Thus, the power of the collected energy is:

4)      5 x 10^4 * 3.5 x 10^-18 ~= 1.8 x 10^-13 Watts


Summary:

Without retroreflectors, using a one megawatt illuminating laser and a two met
er
diameter collecting telescope, the power received from the Moon is 0.18 Picowa
tts.


Unlike for radio frequencies, there are no tuned resonant antenna/receiver sys
tems
with detectors that I know of for light frequencies.  Thus, this energy must b
e
detected directly.  Even with the retroreflectors (which essentially preserve
collimation and coherence), one counts the returning photons (that's not reall
y an
exaggeration!).

Bill, where have I erred in my assumptions/calculations?  How is this easier t
han
VHF/UHF moonbounce?  Please list your variety of reasons?

Cheers,

Chris


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:20 1996
From: [e-mail] (Karl Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: TenTec 6M Kit Issue
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:18:02 -0400
Message-ID: <CSLE87-3105961718020001@145.39.1.10>
References: <4okba4$[e-mail]>

In article <4okba4$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

> While at Dayton, I visited the TenTec booth and checked out their
> 6m kit.  This kit provides 8 (I think, maybe 5?) watts FM and they
> claim it is illegal for them to sell a higher power version like
> the 2m kit.  The 2m kit has an optional final stage to provide 35W.
> They quoted me some FCC law prohibiting amplifiers for low power
> 6 meter gear.  Even their literature mentions this "law".
>
> MFJ sells a 10w 6m ssb/cw rig that provides 10w and in their ad for
> this piece, they specifically reccomend using the Mirage 10W-->150W
> amp (A-1015-G) or the Mirage 10W-->350W amp (A-1035-G) if you want
> more power.
>
> The folks at the TenTec booth told me that they don't know how Mirage
> can get away with violating this law.  The TenTec folks told me that
> since amps in this freq range (50mhz) can be used on 11m it was illegal
> to sell.
>
> I must admit having no experience with 6m but am now thinking of trying
> this band because of the challenge.  Can anyone shed some light on this
> issue?
>
> Bob
>
> --

Digging out and dusting off my copy of Part 97, I find the discussion and
standards for type acceptance of external amplifiers in paragraphs 97.315
and 97.317.  The folks at TenTec are definitely working from a
misunderstanding of what the FCC rules actually say and require.  Nothing
in these sections would prohibit TenTec from providing a type-accepted
amplifier (or kit) as you requested, just as Mirage and TPL do today.

The amplifier must be basically incapable of operation from 24 to 35 MHz,
as defined in 97.317b, and the filter components will increase the
production cost.  TenTec may feel that this places them at an economic
disadvantage, but if the input and output striplines are designed
correctly, they could have a completely acceptable unit suitable for
commercial sales (in assembled form only).  Realize too that the TPL units
are actually type-accepted as a Part 90 product, carry a commercial price
tag.  They JUST HAPPEN to work in the adjacent 6M amateur band quite well,
but they work not at all below 35 MHz, exactly as the FCC requires!!
--
Karl Beckman, P.E.                <      If our English language is so   >
Motorola Private Data Systems     <   precise, why do you drive on the   >
Schaumburg, IL  /  Parma, OH      <   parkway and park on the driveway?  >
[phone] / [phone]
**  Opinions expressed here do NOT represent the views of Motorola Inc. **
--
Amateur radio WA8NVW                        NavyMARS NNN0VBH @ NOGBN.NOASI


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:21 1996
From: [e-mail] (Mike Stansberry)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur,policy,rec.radio.amateur.packet,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: I support the LEO and the loss of ham frequencies.
Date: 31 May 1996 17:20:01 GMT
Message-ID: <4on9o1$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Clearly almost anyone can better use ham frequencies than hams can.
: Have you listened to the important conversations plus contests
: and useless traffic on ham bands. If the FCC wiped out ham radio
: today 99% of the public would be unaffected. Even most hams
: would be unaffected as they are either dead, should be dead, or
: inactive.

Don't buy into Burt's flame.  He lives to do this sort of thing.

Mike



From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:22 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity calls:
Date: 31 May 1996 17:43:58 GMT
Message-ID: <4onb4u$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Paul Adler <[e-mail]> writes:

>Is there a list of available area 1 call signs?

I believe the W5YI group will be happy to sell you such a list.
--
Dick Flanagan, W6OLD - ([e-mail]) - Minden, NV


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:22 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Erik K.Sorgatz)
Subject: Re: Buy my equipment, I am sick of most of you
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:45:27 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
{Burt's pathetic list deleted}

 Too bad he's not selling his computer and modem...%^(



[e-mail] (or:[e-mail]) KB6LUY (private email:eks@westwo
rld.com)
TTI 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. Santa Monica, CA  90405
"ANY COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS MADE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF CITICORP, ITS SU
BSIDIARIES
OR AFFILIATES." (Copyright 1995, ARR-permission to store/archive hereby grante
d)


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:24 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Erik K.Sorgatz)
Subject: Re: Kentucky Ham Busted
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:55:08 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Robert Casey) writ
es:
>Lets see if I got this straight:  A cop in Kentucky decides to bust
>someone he finds has a VHF transciever with him in his car.  The
>cop knows about the ham exemption in the state's scanner law, and
>realized that the person in question is a ham.  But the cop decides
>to ignore that law and bust the ham anyway.
>The radio, a Radio Shack HTX202, is examined, and is certified as
>not being able to transmit OR recieve on any police freqs.  But the
>judge decides to press the matter anyway.  Dispite the ham having
>two valid "outs" here: the ham exemption in the scanner law for
>radios that can recieve police freqs, and 2nd: the radio in question
>doesn't even have the ability to recieve police freqs anyway.
>
>What did I miss here?  I must have one or more facts wrong....


 Only the fact that some of the Police in Kentucky are about as intelligent
as transmission fluid! Usually this has a great deal to do with the fact
that they can't attract and keep good cops on the small salaries that most
of the towns can afford to pay.

 Not to worry, EVENTUALLY this matter will escalate to a State Court level,
and then heads will roll! The Kentucky State Court system has developed a
very short fuse regarding the 'good-ole-boys' local police systems and have
been working overtime to help their state shed it's former image regarding
these sorts of problems. Yep...Boss Hogg is on the run!

 In places where the lawman's salary was determined to be a percentage of the
fines collected, Kentucky and 4 other states have outlawed the practice, in
light of the abuses, especially against out of state tourists! Good to know.

73!


[e-mail] (or:[e-mail]) KB6LUY (private email:eks@westwo
rld.com)
TTI 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. Santa Monica, CA  90405
"ANY COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS MADE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF CITICORP, ITS SU
BSIDIARIES
OR AFFILIATES." (Copyright 1995, ARR-permission to store/archive hereby grante
d)


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:25 1996
From: "Charles P. Hobbs" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Letter to 73 Magazine Cancelling Subscription
Date: 31 May 1996 18:42:02 -0700
Message-ID: <4oo75a$[e-mail]>
References: <4oke70$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Richard MacDonald) wrote:
>On Thu, 30 May 1996 18:39:32 GMT, Chris Broadbent <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>Peter Bealo wrote:
>>>
>>> <Letter to 73 Mag explaining cancellation of subscription in part
due to pseudoscience and other weirdness deleted>
>>
>>I too subscribe to 73 Magazine.  But this latest issue has what must be the
>>strangest editorial yet.  I cannot understand why Wayne Green believes so
>>strongly that the manned Moon landings were faked after reading that one boo
k.
>>
>He's just plain gullible. He believes that everything he reads is true.
>

Maybe he's been hanging around Art Bell too much. A few weeks ago, WG
was a guest on the Art Bell show, talking about both ham radio and
other wierdstuff . . .





From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:26 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bob Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Free: Available 2x1 & 1x2 Callsigns
Date: 31 May 1996 19:17:43 GMT
Message-ID: <4ongkn$[e-mail]>
References: <4oms8t$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

Go to the bottom of my personal www page to get all the available
2x1 and 1x2 calls in your area.  After clicking on the area, use
FILE: SAVE-->AS from your browser to save them to a file.  Tested
with Netscape 2.02, but probably ok with most browsers.

http://www.ultranet.com/~bob/

Data from QRZ CDROM V5, Jan 96.
--
/*******************************************************************
 *                Bob Levine                                       *
 *                KD1GG/KB1BRM/VK2GYN/7J1AIS                       *
 *                Manager of Application Engineering               *
 *                Mercury Computer Systems                         *
 * ----------------------------------------------------------------*
 * Opinions expressed in this message are my own personal opinions *
 * ----------------------------------------------------------------*
 *          Personal Web Page http://www.ultranet.com/~bob/        *
 *******************************************************************/




From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:28 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Erik K.Sorgatz)
Subject: Re: SURVEY: How long did it take you to pass 13wpm code test?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 20:13:27 GMT

 About 10 minutes...actually it took me almost 9 years to get motivated
to upgrade from OLD-TECH to ADVANCED, and I did it in one evening's time
at a VE session. 10 minutes for the Element 1b, almost didnt make it..I
had just 6/10 on the questions (all fill-in, not multiple choice!) BUT
I did have close to 3 minutes of PERFECT copy. So..I passed. Then the
VE said:"Psst! Wanna take your 4a tonite too? No extra charge." Passed
it with a 100%!

 Actual time spent studying for the 13WPM? About 5 weeks, using the W5YI
Morse Academy program on my PC and some on the air practice and QSOs.

 The ADVANCED written was much easier!


73!


[e-mail] (or:[e-mail]) KB6LUY (private email:eks@westwo
rld.com)
TTI 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. Santa Monica, CA  90405
"ANY COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS MADE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF CITICORP, ITS SU
BSIDIARIES
OR AFFILIATES." (Copyright 1995, ARR-permission to store/archive hereby grante
d)


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:30 1996
From: [e-mail] (Bob Applegate)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: No-coders!  VHF is enough!
Date: 31 May 1996 20:37:17 GMT
Message-ID: <4onl9t$[e-mail]>
References: <4oiaqi$[e-mail]> <4omfp4$[e-mail]>

In article <4omfp4$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] () says
:

<<lots o' stuff deleted>>

>--Well, you can enjoy world-wide, independant communication on HF with
>  simple, inexpensive, low-powered, and even homebuilt equipment.
>
>  Frankly, I would get more satisfaction working a station 1000 miles
>  distant on 40 meters, with 25 watts CW and a long wire antenna, with
>  a transmitter I built myself.
>
>  VHF and UHF seem so pre-packaged and unchallenging.

If you simply buy an HT and sit on a local repeater, then there
is little/no challenge.  Guess what... there isn't much challenge
in buying a pre-built HF rig, coax with connectors already soldered
on, and a pre-made dipole either.

You can homebrew on the VHF/UHF/uwave bands too, although it takes
a bit more skill to get started.  I can build a 40 meter CW QRP
rig with stuff in my closet, but getting a 10 GHz transverter
working is a challenge!

BTW, I've got a lousy antenna on 1296, but even I managed to work
a few hundred miles on 3 watts, SSB.  1000 miles with 25 watts
on 40 is VERY disappointing.  You should be working DX with less
than 1 watt, HI!  There are MANY challenges in ham radio if you're
willing to look for them.

73
Bob - WA2ZZX


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:31 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: Chris Broadbent <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Letter to 73 Magazine Cancelling Subscription
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <4oke70$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <4olrri$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 20:52:51 GMT

William E. Sabin wrote:
>
> Chris Broadbent wrote:
>
> >
> > Thus, the power of the collected energy is:
> >
> > 4)      5 x 10^4 * 3.5 x 10^-18 ~= 1.8 x 10^-13 Watts
> >
>
> At a fairly low sky temperature, a low noise receiver will detect several
> orders of magnitude weaker signal than this.
>
> Bill Sabin W0IYH

The discussion is about detection at OPTICAL wavelengths.  If you do
indeed mean this (thus confusing me about the reference to sky
temperature), then what type of receiver would detect such low level
visible light energy?

Cheers,

Chris


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:32 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Patrick Croft)
Subject: Balloon Launch w/ATV,Repeater, GPS
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 21:07:46 GMT

WINDTRAX VII FLIGHT IS SATURDAY!!!

June 1, 1996 at approximately 1200 UTC (start checking about 6am Indiana time)
,

Launch site: 2.5miles east of Whiteland, Indiana (south of Indy about 10 miles
)

Prelaunch Freqs:  Check-ins: 3.871MHz, & 146.835/R locals
                       Nets begin at 1130UTC

Balloon Type: Kaymont 1200 Gr.

Parachute Size: 5 foot diameter custom made by KB9BSV

Flight packages;
Crossband repeater (by Paul /W9DUU)
                       2m rcvr to 6m & 70cm xmtrs, with voice ID & nicad pwr p
ack, dual half wave antennas
GPS/Packet(By Chuck/WB9IHS)
                        Garmin rcvr, Paccom controlled (HandiPacket) & down-li
nked on TEKK 446MHz xmtr.
                        Self contained, nicad & lithum powered, 1/4 wave xmtr
antenna, Ball Corp stripline rcvr.
           Stripline antenna on top of box.   Audio beeper for ground retrival of pac
kages.
ATV(by Terry/KT9V)
                         Two (2) B&W CCD cams, WB8ELK color video graphics dow
nlinked on Wyman ATV xmtr
            with 1/4 wave antenna.  Self contained, lithum powered.  CCD cams are mou
nted one
            shooting horz., and one up,  solid state switching controlled.

Flight Package Freqs;
                 Crossband rptr; Dn  52.525 & 444.85 MHz (VP)     50 & 100mW o
utput   Up @ 144.3MHz (VP)

                  GPS/PAcket:  Dn  446.0 MHZ @1200 Baud packet (VP)  250mW out
put.

                   ATV:   Dn 439.25 MHz   (VP)    1.5 WATTS OUT!!!

All amateurs are welcome to participate, checkin, monitor feeds, etc.  Pix wil
l be posted on the following WEBSITE:

   www.surf-ici.com/marc                 Stop by and get a birds eye view from
 95,000 feet up!

For details on the WindTrax Group and the WindTrax program, contact Chuck Cris
t/WB9IHS via email, [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:33 1996
From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Letter to 73 Magazine Cancelling Subscription
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 21:28:34 GMT
Message-ID: <4ono75$[e-mail]>
References: <4oke70$[e-mail]> <4ol0jm$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (WB3U) wrote:

>Many years ago, W.G. published an editorial in one of his rags
>proposing that C.B.'ers be allowed to run a KW.  It was obviously
>aimed at improving circulation sales among his CB audience.  I've
>refused to purchase anything with his name on it ever since.

>73,
>Jack  WB3U


I let my sub lapse some time ago, not out of animosity,
but when the number of editorial pages (with that flamin'
5 point type) became more than the construction articles.

'Nother dirty old man rambling and rambling.... Well, it's
his rag, he can run it any way he sees fit.

But credit where it's due:  In one of those editorials he
raled on about "what are you going to leave your
wife and kids", like a garage full of "Dad's radio shit"
and the DXCC honor certificate to the XYL?

He's bloody right on that one, one of the many reasons
I got out of h.f. 3 years ago, now don't even fiddle with
vhf very much  (became an internet junkie, heh heh).

Uncle Brian  VK6BQN




From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:34 1996
From: "Stanley Cole, III" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: yaesu ft-50 mods
Date: 31 May 1996 21:55:05 GMT
Message-ID: <4onprp$[e-mail]>
To: newsgroup:rec.radio.amateur.misc

I am considering the purchase of the new Yaesu FT-50r handheld.  Are there
any mods for this radio?  Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You, Stan Cole, NX3P  Washington, PA




From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:35 1996
From: "Stanley Cole, III" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: yaesu ft-50 mods
Date: 31 May 1996 21:55:30 GMT
Message-ID: <4onpsi$[e-mail]>

I am considering the purchase of the new Yaesu FT-50r handheld.  Are there
any mods for this radio?  Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You, Stan Cole, NX3P  Washington, PA




From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:36 1996
From: [e-mail] (Richard E Stealey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HF AM operations
Date: 31 May 1996 22:33:48 GMT
Message-ID: <4ons4c$[e-mail]>
References: <4oms5v$[e-mail]>

DavidAE4LH wrote:
: Hi.  Does anyone know some AM frequencies that are popular?  I haven't used
: that button on the rig in a while.  TNX es 73 de David AE4LH

david,
Turn off that BFO, and spin that dial till you hear some of that beautiful
audio, thats all there is to it.

Check around 3880 on 80 meters.

Rick    KT2Q


From [e-mail] Mon Jun 03 17:30:37 1996
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Free: Available 2x1 & 1x2 Calls
Date: 31 May 1996 22:49:04 GMT
Message-ID: <4ont10$[e-mail]>
References: <4ol6dr$[e-mail]>

>   [e-mail] (Bob Levine) writes:
>  I have written a simple Basic program to extract all available 2x1 and
>  1x2 callsigns from the QRZ! cdrom.  You can find them at the bottom of
>  my personal WWW page http://www.ultranet.com/~bob/
>
>  Click on the area you want and they will displayed on your screen.
>  Choose SAVE-->AS from the FILE menu item to save them to your hard
>  drive.  Tested with Netscape 2.02 only.  Probably work with most
>  browsers or send me an email and I'll send the area you want to you as
>  an email attachment.
>
>  Bob KD1GG
>
>>>>

That is a pretty good way to do it. However, there is another way. Send e-mail
 to [e-mail]
and the gateway will send you a complete list of unused 1X2 and 2X1 calls as a
n e-mail message.

Richard Kendrick CET WA7TWI           |
Amateur Radio Extra Class             |  Do not adjust your mind, there
QRP #4129/G-QRP #8591/MI-QRP #M-1412  |  is a fault in reality.
Phoenix, AZ  email: [e-mail]  |