World of Ham Radio 1997/WOHR97_AmSoft_(1997-02-01).iso/usenets/1995_11/_miscela.txt

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From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:25:09 1995
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From: Greg Pool <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Isn't it about time to re-organise BBSs ?
Date: 1 Nov 1995 03:58:09 GMT
Organization: Pacificon '95
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Jon Bloom <[e-mail]> wrote:

>[e-mail] (Brian Kantor) wrote:
>>Greg Pool <[e-mail]> writes:
>>>>Hmmm.  Anybody read the July 1995 QST about building a packet radio
>>>>version of a World Wide Web?
>>
>>Oh yeah, sure.  At the current throughput of most packet channels, it
>>would take most of the morning to paint the ARRL logo on your screen.
>>I can just see people browsing around at that speed.

First off, don't get cheap on us and expect to do see the Web on packet.  Pay the money
for a real connection to the Internet, but build your _own_ packet radio Web instead!
Replace today's packet radio with HTML and hypertext.  Don't include the ARRL logo and
don't use the current throughput.  Put on your experimentor's cap and get back to work!
Just send ASCII text instead.

>>Jeez, it would be faster to chip it into a stone tablet and tape it
>>to a duck that waddles from one node to the next.  Get real.

Re-read the article, Brian; we don't want to go on the Internet.  And just think if it
were combined with spread spectrum...

>OTOH, the authors of that article were quite explicit in saying they
>were using 9600-bit/s links. And those fortunate enough to have a
>56 kbit/s network in their area would find HTTP over the network
>quite acceptable. Who knows, maybe this kind of technology will
>encourage the growth of faster packet networks.
>
>------
>Jon Bloom, KE3Z                   | [e-mail]
>American Radio Relay League       |
>225 Main St., Newington CT 06111  |
>
>

Thanks, Jon!  :-)  As he said, we wrote the article to emphasize that with the creation
of local packet webs (forget the Internet!) using high-speed digital links is only
limited by your inactivity, not technology.  We presented a recipe, now cook it.  The
question is not whether it _can_ be done, Brian, so please don't discourage anyone else
with your pessimism.  Why, I know someone doing this with 1200-baud and a Powerbook!

Aloha+73 de Greg WH6DT




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From: [e-mail] (James W. Barr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Looking for Windows Packet program
Date: 1 Nov 1995 11:07:16 -0600
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Hi!

Does anyone have any suggestions as to a complete, easy-to-use
Windows-based Packet terminal program?  Any information would be GREATLY
appreciated!

'73
--
-Jim

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From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:25:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Francois Bonnet)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: What about PacCom  PICOPACKET
Date: 1 Nov 1995 11:42:36 +0100
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     I would like to order a small TNC from France.
Is PicoPacket a convenient one ?

     Something else: which 9600 bds TNC can I choose
PacCom Spirit2, PK-96, ...

     Thank you and best 73
Francois F1ITT - Lyon / FRANCE

[e-mail]


From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:25:12 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: PK-900 & Lan-link 2.32
Date: 1 Nov 1995 12:36:48 GMT
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Hello PK-900 User's
I just get my new TNC the PK-900 and I am try to work with Lan-Link 2.32. I get all the time error
message. Did you work with PK900 and LL? Can you help me with SYS file of this program?
De Shlomo 4x6lm



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From: "Terrance L. Jennings" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: baycom software
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:49:17 -0600
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does anyone know if there is a more user friendly baypac
software around, maybe on the internet some where?
something that runs on windows maybe?

and can you run a baycom a dumb terminal?


thanks

terrance
n5vzu [not to be confused with dan-n5pzu]




From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:25:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brad Killebrew)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Internet & Packet radio
Date: 1 Nov 1995 19:59:03 GMT
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a (DirkJanssens) wrote:
: I'm looking for some FAQ's and other stuff for coupling internet (www,ftp,mail)
: to a packet radio station. I can have al the nessecary hardware but I don't know
: how to get it running...(This is all new to me!!). I use linux on the packet computer.
: What other software do I need? How to use it? How to make the packetradio reachable
: by internet...?

Dirk, try http://www.lantz.com/

--
Brad Killebrew N5LJV                   Unix Systems Administrator
[e-mail], [e-mail]              UH College of Technology
The Admin's prayer: "Our OS who art in CPU, UNIX be thy name.
  Thy programs run, thy syscalls done, in kernel as it is in version."



From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:25:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Selwyn-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for Windows Packet program
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 23:09:32 GMT
Organization: Landscape Services
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[e-mail] (James W. Barr) wrote:

>Does anyone have any suggestions as to a complete, easy-to-use
>Windows-based Packet terminal program?  Any information would be GREATLY
>appreciated!

Try Winpak it's pretty new and has numerous useful features
Chris Selwyn-Smith   Landscape Services
       [e-mail]
    G1RQZ                Hampton Court



From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:25:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Cira)
Subject: HAM*INFO*LINK*SOURCE BBS
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Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
Summary:
Keywords:
HELLO FELLOW HAMS:and FUTURE HAMS !!!!!!!

HAM BBS dedicated to amateur radio !!!!

There is a DEVOTED AMATEUR RADIO BBS in town ,from your
ARRL/LAX  affiliated club coordinator , JOE CIRA , KB6AXK ...........
Everything and anything about AMATEUR RADIO will be found here,
IF NOT ? Let me know and we will post it and file it !!!!!!!!


        HAM*INFO*LINK*SOURCE BBS at 1-818-584-1952....
        24 hrs,8-n-1,anyspeed.......
        running 486/66 with 2.1 gig of space !!!
        cd/rom's soon and TNC/PACKET DOOR IS UP & RUNNING !!!
        qsl route database,clubs,newsletters,bulletins,shareware,utility
        mods,programs,test ques,lists,and more....
        VEC/VE exam & class  list for all So.Cal.
        sample exam tests and answers for all class's..
        ARRL mirror of all there files !
        Using Wildcat v4.11 software..
        easy to log in and no FEE's it's FREE !
        5,475 FILES IN 115 FILE AREA'S..so far !
***GOOD NEWS THE LANDLINE TO HAM PACKET DOOR IS UP AND RUNNING**********
        ARE YOU ON THE HAM USERS LIST ???????


73's & 88's de kb6axk,joe cira,ARRL/LAX/ACC.
INTERNET E-MAIL ADDRESS:> [e-mail]

/EX
S










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US AMATEUR RADIO  |sysop of the HAM*INFO*LINK*SOURCE BBS|
KB6AXK            | at 1-818-584-1952,joe cira          |
PASADENA,CAL,91107|     [e-mail]               |


From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:25:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Wilson Small)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Hostmaster?
Date: 2 Nov 1995 03:00:04 GMT
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hi...

have a friend looking for a program called 'Hostmaster' ... supposed to
be some kind of program to allow him to interface his PC to his TNC...

Anybody got any information on this program?  Is it shareware or
something that can be ftp'd from someplace??  is it windows or dos?  etc
etc....

he's looking for a windows program... he's tried the ones on the latest
qrz cdrom but wasn't happy with them....

thankx

wilson-N3OVS

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From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:25:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Isn't it about time to re-organise BBSs ?
Date: 2 Nov 1995 04:44:59 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
David Kelly <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <46ofrs$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian
>Kantor) wrote:
>
>> After all, NNTP was developed (in part) and documented by a ham.
>>         - Brian
>
>Great! That solved the NIH problem. Any new excuses?  :-)

Not so fast!! That "ham" happens to get paid to do network stuff,
and we wouldn't want any professionals influencing amateur radio,
now would we?

;-)

--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are      *
 * [phone]               | mine and do not necessarily   *
 * [e-mail]      | reflect those of my employer  *


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From: Steve Martin <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I never met a ham I liked.
Date: 1 Nov 1995 00:40:38 GMT
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Would someone please explain to me what "the 'N' word", Quebecois
secession, or African-American genealogical issues have to do with ham
radio???




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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <470dsd$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (michael silva) writes:
>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary
>Coffman) writes:
>>Sure they demonstrate technical knowledge, not *much* technical
>>knowledge of course, but certainly *some*.
>
>Theoretically you would expect this to be true, but I know directly of
>many people who have passed the Tech written who have no detectable
>technical knowledge.  I think the reason for this is that there is a
>threshold effect involved in learning our (or any other) technical
>matter, and elements 2 and 3a are so simple that one can study all the
>material in them without ever reaching that threshold where the
>information "clicks" and becomes a unified whole in one's mind.  The
>gaps and simplifications in the Tech elements are so great that a
>person who studies that material and no other will have knowledge that
>is more anecdotal than comprehensive, and the latter is IMO a
>requirement for claiming technical knowledge, as opposed to a
>smattering of unconnected facts and rules tumbling around in one's
>mind.

Well, I suppose there are some people so dumb that they only look
at the question pool. But that's surely the hard way to pass the
tests. It's lots easier to read a book covering the theory and
then you can simply derive the answer to any test question that
may come along. The idea of memorizing the question pool seems
like a ghastly amount of wasted effort to me. And you're right,
if that's all you've done, you will have horrible gaps in your
knowledge. Still, most people surely don't memorize the question
pool as someone might a string of nonsense syllables. Surely
they think about the question and answer just a bit, if for
no other reason than to reduce the tedium. If they do, they're
bound to accquire *some* knowledge.

Gary
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Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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From: "James A. Storm" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Diamond Antennas - Still Around?  Who Distributes?
Date: 1 Nov 1995 02:04:39 GMT
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Amateur Electronic Supply carries Diamond Antennas. Their main number is
1-800-558-0411.

                      73, WB6LWS Jim in Pacifica, CA



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From: John Ragsdale <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: QSL info...
Date: 1 Nov 1995 02:15:32 GMT
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To: [e-mail]

Try

Lee R. Wical
45-601 Luluku Road
Kaneohe, HAWAII 96744



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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: R.S. policies and respect
Date: 1 Nov 1995 03:07:50 GMT
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In article <"30-Oct-95..8:21:09".*[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>To Drew and all the rest,
>
>       With all of this rambling on about Radio Shacks name policy on sales,
>it just ain't so!  The only thing you have to say when the sales person (Drew-
>have respect for them) asks is NO THANKS.   Thats all!   Now if you are doing a
>return, then they have to get your name.  The sales person will not be offended
>if you say no, but the most important thing is to treat the person as you would
>like to be treated!

You're missing the point, I'd say.  I have said "No thanks".  I've often
been met with "C'mon, it just takes a second" and "we need it for our
records", etc.

While I believe all people should treat others with respect, I tend
also to believe that sales people should go out of their way to
avoid any kind of disrespectful behavior of customers.  If I say
"no thank you" and that doesn't end the subject, the salesperson
is out of line.  End of story.

--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are      *
 * [phone]               | mine and do not necessarily   *
 * [e-mail]      | reflect those of my employer  *


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From: [e-mail] (Bill Turner)
Subject: Re: CQ on Repeaters.  Correct?
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In article <46ej3b$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark Browne) wrote:
-snip-
>What is the proper way to call CQ on a local repeater?  The way I recall,
>CQ is only for HF.  Please help.  Thanks a lot....
-snip-
----------------------------------------------------------------
Here in the Seattle area, I've never heard anyone call CQ on a repeater.  I do
hear people say "is anyone around?  W7XXX listening" or something like that.
Often I will hear "W7XXX monitoring", but I never know if that is really a
call for anyone to answer like a CQ is, or if they are just announcing that
they are now on frequency so a specific station can call them.

Personally I'd like to hear more CQing on repeaters, but I'm not one to buck
the local traditions...  :-)   I do operate 146.52 simplex a lot, and I DO
call CQ there and get a surprising number of responses, even mobile.


73, Bill W7LZP
[e-mail]


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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How accurate is GPS?
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 07:46:55 -0700
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Not to beat this subject to death, but there is a related article in the
September issue of SAIL magazine on p. 56.  I gives some pretty good
illustrations and a not too technical explanation.

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I never met a ham I liked.
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 09:13:22 -0600
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On 1 Nov 1995, Steve Martin wrote:

> Would someone please explain to me what "the 'N' word", Quebecois
> secession, or African-American genealogical issues have to do with ham
> radio???
>

Absolutely nothing !!! I should have ignored the original post, but I
let my personal feelings on the matter get out of hand. You are correct
in 'assuming' that we should ALL ignore those types of posts and not
react to them (just like when you have someone annoying on a repeater,
if you ignore them long enough, they will eventually go away).

My apologies to this news group.

Regards,

Mike
VE4KLM

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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is the Extra Class written really easer than the advanced
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 10:00:03 GMT
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In article <476f5s$[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Bob Scott" writes:

> I thought it was.  I found it to be a disappointment.  The advanced was
> much harder.  Why?  I have no idea.  I have always advocated that the
> Extra should be very heavy in theory and practice.

Perhaps Part 1C provides a material part of the progressive testing for
this particular upgrade?

--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


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From: [e-mail] (FORREST GEHRKE)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL - One *very* go
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JB> But if you want to *do* something about what you perceive as a
JB> problem, I have a simple suggestion: write. Write about cutting-edge
JB> techniques, and do it often. If you're not filling the publishing
JB> pipeline with the material you think needs to be published, you're
JB> not addressing the problem no matter how many Usenet articles you
JB> post.

Hear! Hear!  Well said, Jon, and to the point exactly.  If
someone has something new to write about, or old-but-ignored,
send it in to a magazine--though there have been times when QST
turned me down; "too technical" and I wound up in HamRadio. ;-)
73,
--k2bt

 * RM 1.3 02583 * Imagination is more important than knowledge.  - A. Einstein


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[e-mail] (Lauren Schiff) wrote:
>Hello...
>
>    I am the communications officer for the Blue Ridge Mountain
>Rescue Group located in Charlottesville, Virginia.  We are part
>of the Appalachian Search and Rescue Conference.

Am I required to salute?



#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
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From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:28:22 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Another Marconi Award/Event
Date: 1 Nov 95 13:19:59 -0330
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
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NEW AWARD AVAILABLE / SPECIAL EVENT OPERATIONS

   On 12 Dec 1901, Marconi bridged the Atlantic by receiving the first
transatlantic radio message on Signal Hill in St. John's, Newfoundland.
To celebrate the 100th year of radio, a special QSL will be made available
to any amateur or SWL who works/hears  VO1AA on 12 Dec. this year.  Please
listen around 14.030, 7.030 (CW) and 14.300 (SSB)
   An award is being established for anyone who works/hears VO1AA on 5 or
more anniversaries of 12 Dec. from this year to the 100th aniversary
in 2001.  Further announcements will be made at a later date.
   VO1AA and the awards are sponsored by the Society of Newfoundland
Radio Amateurs. VO1AA also operates under the callsign VO1IMD on
international Marconi Day each year.

73 Joe VO1NA



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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: QSL help ... UA0KAJ
Date: 1 Nov 95 13:39:35 -0330
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Are there any sites which have call book servers for DX callsigns?
In the mean time, If anyone has an address for Tom, UA0KAJ, I'd
certainly appreciate having it forwarded.

Thanks and 73
Joe VO1NA



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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NEED HELP with QSLs from 90/91 (YASME, OH2BH, PA3CXC, OH3GZ, EA3CW)!
Date: Wed,  1 Nov 95 13:59:31 GMT
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Dear QSL 'guru',

I am looking for QSL information on the following stations:

Station     QSO Date  2nd QSL  3rd QSL sent  Address(es) tried
-----------------------------------------------------------------
PA3CXC/ST0   4/90     4/95     9/95          PA3CXC CBA 94
T33T        11/90     4/95     9/95          OH3GZ  CBA 94
ZS9/W6KG    11/90     4/95     9/95          YASME, WA6AKK QRZ-CD
ZS9Z/1      12/90     4/95     9/95          OH2BH  CBA 94
3C0CW        8/91     4/95     9/95          EA3CW, CBA 94
-----------------------------------------------------------------

I already had these QSLs in my possession but lost them when my registered
small package to the DXCC desk disappeared in the US last year.
About 25 QSLs have been retrieved by direct mail but the above listed cards
are still missing (all time new ones, and no other confirmation).

If you can provide ANY information, either positive or negative, on how to
get back these cards, PLEASE let me know!

Best 73!    Uli, DL2HBX

===========================================================================
 Ulrich Ann (DL2HBX)              | Internet: [e-mail]
 TU Braunschweig                  |           [e-mail]
 D-38092 Braunschweig             | Packet Radio: DL2HBX@DB0FC.#NDS.DEU.EU
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From: [e-mail] (KF2TI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARLB100 Morse requirement stays
Date: 1 Nov 1995 14:17:09 -0500
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In article <$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:

>ARLB100 More requirement stays
>
>On October 23, the 1995 World Radiocommunication Conference, WRC-95,
>opened in Geneva.  As described in November 1995 QST, page 106, one
>of the matters expected to be raised at the conference was a New
>Zealand proposal to delete from the radio regulations of the
>International Telecommunication Union the requirement that amateurs
>demonstrate Morse code ability in order to be licensed to operate
>below 30 MHz.
>
>On Tuesday morning, October 31, New Zealand offered its proposal in
>Working Party 4C.  While some other administrations expressed
>support, most who asked for the floor either opposed the change or
>said the time was not right and the issue needed further study
>within the amateur community.
>
>Summarizing the discussion, the chairman of the Working Party said
>that most comments opposed the proposal and that he would send the
>matter to the Working Group of the Plenary, which is responsible for
>agendas of future conferences, to consider adding it to a future
>agenda in 1997, 1999, or later.  This was acceptable to New Zealand.
>
>

OH NO!!!! does this mean 2 more years of pissing and moaning about code
vs. no-code???????

steve


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From: [e-mail] (Seth Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: V47 prefix
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For DXCC puposes, is V44 and V47 prefix (St. Kitts, Nevis Is.) count
for one or two countries ?

Seth, KC2WE


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From: Walter Zorn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is the Extra Class written really easer than the advanced
Date: 1 Nov 1995 14:45:11 GMT
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Bob Scott <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> I thought it was.  I found it to be a disappointment.  The advanced was
> much harder.  Why?  I have no idea.  I have always advocated that the
> Extra should be very heavy in theory and practice.

Bob, et.al,

I found the Extra to be easier than the Advanced - except for the
code {Oh Well}.  Anyway, I disagree on the "Very Heavy in Theory
and Practice" statement.  I feel that at this level, the class of
license should be *primarily* rules and authorizations for the
"Administration" of Amateur Radio Stuff - VE, Observer, etc.  That
is what it appears to be now, for the most part, and I like it that
way.

Resfectfully,
Walt



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From: pete brunelli <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is the Extra Class written really easer than the advanced
Date: 1 Nov 1995 14:54:13 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jeff Hall) wrote:
>    I understand that the extra is easier than the advanced..Why? I  would
>like your remarks and any short cuts..thanks..Jeff

Well, Jeff,
I think that this perception is pretty accurate.  The Advanced has more concepts,
and you could get a big slice of any one of them.  The result is, if you are weak
on vector conversion, you will get six of those on your advanced ;-(

The Extra has alot of VE related questions, and I think it has fewer concepts
in the question pool.  It seems to be biased towards antennas and trnasmission
lines.  Use one of the freeware test generators to check your mastery of the
material, and get more than one study guide.  The ARRL and W5YI are worlds apart
in their presentation of the question pools.

73
------------------------------------------------------------------
Pete Brunelli                             Amateur Call N1QDQ
             Check out http://www.connix.com/~pcb
            Home of the Rolling Thunder Contest Club
               Mobileering for a Better Tomorrow
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARLB100 Morse requirement stays
Date: 1 Nov 1995 14:56:04 GMT
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 THIS IS GREAT! I DONT WANT TO LIVE WITH OUT
 POOR MAN'S PACKET DOT DOT DOT DOT DOT DIT.



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From: Colin Edwards <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Experience with HAMEG spectrum analysers ?
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 16:37:20 +0000
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>
>I would like to know if anyone here is familiar with the HAMEG 5006 series
>spectrum analysers.

Yes, I have one. It did cost nearly much as a second hand HP141 setup,
but at least you can lift it.
Basically - It works very well, but the lack of any sort of output means
that you can't record readings.

Even in the UK it took months to get one delivered.
--
Colin Edwards


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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How accurate is GPS?
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 16:55:07 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Rich Hall" writes:

> Not to beat this subject to death, but there is a related article in the
> September issue of SAIL magazine on p. 56.  I gives some pretty good
> illustrations and a not too technical explanation.

Why would a reader of SAIL need to know the accuracy of the hight
information given by a GPS receiver?

--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: QSL Help... UA0KAG
Date: 1 Nov 95 17:10:58 -0330
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Are there any sites which have call book servers for DX callsigns?
In the mean time, If anyone has an address for Tom, UA0KAG, I'd
certainly appreciate having it forwarded.

Thanks and 73
Joe VO1NA



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Subject: Advice on 2M mobile rig w
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 18:24:33 PST
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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CL>I would second the vote on the 2500.  I have two FT-2400's.  One is run
CL>mobile and the other stays at home.  The 2500 is slightly updated from the
CL>2400.  Did have to install a DC line filter on my 1990 Ford Probe to get
CL>rid of the alternator whine.  Would recommend getting the optional CTCSS
CL>Encoder and installing it before you install the radio in the car though.

CL>About one year ago I (our club) purchased two 2500's to upgrade our packet
CL>BBS. Haven't heard any problems from the trustee.

CL>73,
CL>Cliff K3LL

CL>John Palinkas ([e-mail]) wrote:
CL>: Subject: Advice on 2M mobile rig wanted

CL>: I have had the Yaesu FT-2500M for about 6 months now and I think it is a
CL>: super radio.  Intermod is really bad around here and the Yaesu is
CL>: virtually extinct from it.  I did alot of research before I got the
CL>: radio because of severe intermod and as I said I am really happy with
CL>: the unit.  Great audio, easy to operate and always good reports on my
CL>: transmissions.  John.


CL>: D>g wanted
CL>: D>Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
CL>: D>Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
CL>: D>Organization: VeriFone Inc.

CL>: D>I'm in the market for a basic 2M mobile rig.  Can spend about $350.
CL>: D>I've heard good things about the Yaesu 2500.  Reliability is key.  I hav

i'll third the reccomendation on the ft 2500.  excellent rig.
commercial quality.  i've had mine now since april and there's nothing
quite like it.  the large frequency display is a nice plus and there's
lots of imbedded bells and whistles built in.  the CTCSS decoder board
(CTCSS encode is standard) is a good addition to the rig, and highly
reccomended.  i use the rig for lots of outband reception (local sheriff
and fire services
) and the sensitivity doesn't degrade once you go up past 148 by any
noticeable amount.  i'm convinced the innards are a VHF vertex mobile,
with the exception being a different "brain" and control head for
amateur use.  wouldn't surprise me at all if the unit was type
acceptable for commercial use.
greg

kd6ven


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From: [e-mail] (David S. Curry KG2EB)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Police radar, was he lying?
Date: 1 Nov 1995 18:59:04 GMT
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  I recently recieved a speeding ticket in the state of New York.  I was the
only one on the road at the time and when he drove past going the opposite
direction, my radar detector alerted and shortly after I was pulled over.
He said that I was going much faster than i actually was because as soon
as the detector went off i checked my speed.  When i asked to see the inform
ation on his radar equipment he said that there is nothing to see.  He
has to "estimate" the speed of my car and then activate his radar equipment
which only displays a speed figure as long as i am in his "window".  After
that, the speed disappears.  Now, don't these devices simply transmit a
microwave signal and time the return?  If so, wouldnt the signal bounce
off trees and rocks and other such hard surfaces on the other side of the
road?  Would these indicate a speed on his display?  Is there a "hold" switch
on his display?  Anyone knowing anything about the police radar that the
New York State troopers use please respond here or by email.  I drive a sports
car and think that these people simply add 5 or 10 miles to the speed and then
cant show you the results.  Boy, that sure makes it hard to respect them.
73
David KG2EB



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Subject: Unliscensed use
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 19:07:36 PST
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HE>: You're assuming that the sales droid behind the counter would know the
HE>: difference (or care) between amateur radio and CB.  This in itself is
HE>: asking quite a bit.

HE>: -Drew in Charlotte-
HE>:  KF4DDM

HE>Just like you to blame everything on radio shack employees. Well, perhaps
HE>you shoud think before you speak...3 out of 4 employees at the radio
HE>shack I work at are Hams....In fact, I know alot of hams who work radio
HE>shack. Obviously you are basing your opinions of radio shack on a few bad
HE>experiences, or blaming us for things over which we have no control.
HE>Guess what these are symptoms of? Ignorance.


HE>P.S. It's unlawfull to require an amateur radio license for the purchase
HE>of amateur gear, however illogical that seems.


HE>Nate, KB9LSX

sorry, nate.  he is correct for the most part.  the vast majority of
radio shack stores, especially the ones out here in california are run
by mindless high-school aged children and other youngins that have no
idea what even a cb radio is half of the time.  they can't ever answer
any technical questions about much of anything (except for maybe stereo
equipment because timmy has $2000 worth of stereo gear out in his car
that he DIDN't get from radio shack!)  i've had very similar experiences
with the young salesdroid and his cohorts behind the counter trying to
convince joe customer that he could get 2 htx202's to talk back and
forth between his men on the construction site and not have to worry
about interference because there are
"...hundreds of channels more than on the cb and you can always find one
hat's not being used by someone else...".

yes, there are ham operators that work at radio shacks, but with there
being 10 radio shack stores within 15 minutes of where i live, i've only
run into a total of two.

greg
kd6ven


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From: [e-mail] (Ken)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: contact for Yaesu-Musen?
Date: 1 Nov 1995 19:12:07 GMT
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Can anyone provide me with a contact for Yaesu-Musen? I need service
information for a radio.

TIA

--

Kenneth Martin IZCC DECUS SCCA 804.483.6052  23321-452117 USA
[e-mail]


From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:28:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dennis Gabler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is the Extra Class written really easer than the advanced
Date: 1 Nov 1995 21:14:22 GMT
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In <475tmr$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeff Hall) writes:

>    I understand that the extra is easier than the advanced..Why? I  would
>like your remarks and any short cuts..thanks..Jeff

I thought the extra was easier. The advanced is mostly theory and formulas. The
extra was mostly rules and regs for giving exams.  I also thought the advanced
was more fun.

73's Dennis
--
Dennis Gabler    --o--------------------------=o=--------------------------o--
                                               |
[e-mail] KB5HVN/NNN0BQG___________|       [e-mail]



From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:28:37 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is the Extra Class written really easer than the advanced
Date: 2 Nov 1995 04:53:38 GMT
Organization: Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
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In <476f5s$[e-mail]>, Bob Scott <[e-mail]> writes:
>I thought it was.  I found it to be a disappointment.  The advanced was
>much harder.  Why?  I have no idea.  I have always advocated that the
>Extra should be very heavy in theory and practice.

mine was...but in the dusty corners of the hobby...questions on sats and other
stuff...the power triangle stuff was a snap, but it should be for anyone that
made it to the junior EE level...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:28:38 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Unliscensed use
Date: 2 Nov 1995 05:06:25 GMT
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In <471mr2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (bill newman) writes:
>Just this past week two different state police officers were able to
>purchase 2m handhelds to be used on the state police freq. here in the
>Rochester area. They were told (I was with one of the officers) that
>seeing that they were not going to be used on the Ham bands that the
>radios did not have to be licensed. I thought that was strange and also I
>was told at another RS store that the use on the police freq. was not
>possible. I did see the radios in operation and I guess with a small
>change the bands can be changed some.

this is new - last i looked there was no way to change the coverage range on
the '202 w/o external conversion or scrapping the guts.

Again the clerk at this one store stated that the ham radios and CB
>radios were the same. It is very interesting.

sounds like the radio clubs need to supply some FAQs to the stores (reminds me,
it's been a while since i've done that locally...probably time to do it again.)

>I did receive the name and address of the local district manager and will
>be sending out a complant letter this coming week.

get 'em. if they really are using the htx-202 on police frequencies, maybe a
note to the police radio folks might be in order. the '202 isn't OK for use as a
police radio...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From Unknown Fri Nov 03 12:28:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Glenn Hansen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Unliscensed use
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 06:11:03 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

>sorry, nate.  he is correct for the most part.  the vast majority of
>radio shack stores, especially the ones out here in california are run
>by mindless high-school aged children and other youngins that have no
>idea what even a cb radio is half of the time.  they can't ever answer
>any technical questions about much of anything (except for maybe stereo
>equipment because timmy has $2000 worth of stereo gear out in his car
>that he DIDN't get from radio shack!)  i've had very similar experiences
>with the young salesdroid and his cohorts behind the counter trying to
>convince joe customer that he could get 2 htx202's to talk back and
>forth between his men on the construction site and not have to worry
>about interference because there are
>"...hundreds of channels more than on the cb and you can always find one
>hat's not being used by someone else...".

>yes, there are ham operators that work at radio shacks, but with there
>being 10 radio shack stores within 15 minutes of where i live, i've only
>run into a total of two.

Greg,
        I can agree to some of what you say but here in Washington it doesn't seem
that we have the same age group. The 'lost' Radio Shack employees I have delt
with cross all age, race and gender groups. Up here it is like a disease, it
doesn't care who it infests.
        Also, being helped by a licensed amateur doesn't always mean what it sounds
like.

Oh well. Go informed. If it wasn't for RS I would have lost a lot of time
when I just needed a resistor, diode or some little thing. Hell, I would be
just as happy if 7-11 put up a wall with blister packs of parts.


Glenn


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:06:53 1995
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From: [e-mail] (HAMKB8UUM)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ****** Need Help with Russian Call *********
Date: 4 Nov 1995 15:12:44 -0500
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 Is there any stations out there especially Russian stations who could
help me find out who's callsign this is. The call is UV7CDY and he should
be located in Ukraine is there anyone out there who can tell me his
address. Thank you very much for your help please e mail me at
[e-mail]


                                                    73,
                                                      KB8UUM


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From: Kirk Prodzinski <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 10 M  is supposed to open when ?
Date: 4 Nov 1995 15:41:22 GMT
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Anyone know when 10 is supposed to open up again ?



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From: Bruce Goldstein <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10 M  is supposed to open when ?
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Kirk Prodzinski <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Anyone know when 10 is supposed to open up again ?
>
In these times, the FCC has had to save some $ and have been turning off
the propagation generators for many hours of the day.  (Sometimes they
make some minor modifications to the generators and turn them on without
formal notice -- Instead of listening on 10M, Give a CQ.  You never know
who is also listening!)

       - 73



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From: [e-mail] (Alan Harp)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10 M  is supposed to open when ?
Date: 6 Nov 1995 15:44:36 GMT
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In article <47itd2$[e-mail]> Bruce Goldstein <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: Bruce Goldstein <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: 10 M  is supposed to open when ?
>Date: 5 Nov 1995 17:48:18 GMT
>Kirk Prodzinski <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Anyone know when 10 is supposed to open up again ?
>>
>In these times, the FCC has had to save some $ and have been turning off
>the propagation generators for many hours of the day.  (Sometimes they
>make some minor modifications to the generators and turn them on without
>formal notice -- Instead of listening on 10M, Give a CQ.  You never know
>who is also listening!)
>
>       - 73
>
Yeh and alot of these no-code techs have a secret code that they
can key in on the touch-tone pad that turns off 10M.

****************************************************************************
* Alan Harp K4PB     *     Bell-Northern Research      *   CW FOREVER      *
* mail: [e-mail]  *   Research Triangle Park, NC    *                   *
****************************************************************************


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:06:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark D. Fergus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2M VS 70CM??
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 23:04:47 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chris Smart) writes:

>Hi.  I currently use a Kenwood TM241A, with a 5/8 magnet mount on the car,
>and a very small 2m beem on the house, about 35 feet off the ground.  I am
>fed up!  I am mainly tired of overcrowding, and incredible amounts of
>intermod almost everywhere!
>How much is 440 MHZ used these days?  When I had a scanner years ago, I
>thought it was quite dead compared to 2m, but things may have changed.
>Also, assuming all variables are the same (ie. putting out 45-50 watts to
>5/8 antenna), what are the performance differences between the two bands?
>I may escape the intermod by switching to 440, and be able to have higher
>gain but smaller antennas then those on 2m, but do the bands perform
>radically different from each other?

>Anybody with any thoughts on this matter?

>Thanks,
>Chris.
>Internet: [e-mail] Fido:  1:229/15

Chris,

Here in Columbus, Ohio, 2 meters is very crowded.  There are no more 2 meter
frequencies available for 2 meter repeaters.  On 440, however, there are
several repeaters but none are very active.  They are nice to get on and chat
without worrying about someone else needing the repeater.

440 is different in that it is a much higher frequency.  Therefore, the
antennas are smaller.  The wavelengths go through walls much easier; 440 is
ideal for inside use.  On the other hand, DX is usually rare.  Occasionaly I
have heard a repeater in Ft. Wayne, Indiana but was unable to reach it with 5
watts.  I'm sure if I had 45W I'd do a lot better.

So if you're looking to escape from the activity on 2 meters, give 440 a try.
It's less active and there is much less intermod.

73's de N8VJF
Mark




From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:06:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Travis A. Wise)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,sbay.hams
Subject: 4sale: new 2m mobile
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 18:08:39 GMT
Organization: The Office of Travis A. Wise
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I have a brand new, never used, 1 month old Radio Shack HTX-212 mobile
radio for sale.

Includes two VFO's, 50w, manual, wiring, microphone.  Never used.

Make an offer, no trades please.

Travis, KB8FOU
[e-mail]

Travis A. Wise
[e-mail]
http://www.isc.sjsu.edu/b/students/twise/index.html



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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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--

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,sbay.hams
Subject: Re: 4sale: new 2m mobile
Followup-To: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,sbay.hams
Date: 5 Nov 1995 11:40:58 GMT
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X-Ray: doc cant find anything but rasist one-liners on burts chart
X-YL: all I get are sexist one liners
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Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) trying hard to say less and less, wrote
         in <47h4t2$[e-mail]>:


: --

: #================#=====================================================#
: |  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
: | Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
: |    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
: #================#=====================================================#
: | [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
: #======================================================================#



Hey burt what did you want? a 4WD mobile or were you just kerchunking...




From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:01 1995
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Subject: A story
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 95 19:30:28 EST
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: Cape Cods Internet Address
Lines: 19


Well I have at least one story to tell related to a spark transmitter.
When I was stationed at Otis AFB I had a lot of trouble sleeping because
the guy in the barracks near me played his AM radio real loud. So I
hooked up a buzzer to my 40 meter dipole and wrapped the buzzer in a
blanket (to silence the SOUND) and when he played the radio I turned on
the buzzer destroying his station. After several days of this I offered
my "help" suggesting that playing the radio too loud caused it to
"oscillate", he played it lower and he had no more problems.

Burt Fisher
K1OIK

--
*******************************************************************
*  Message Sent From:   CCS WORLD  Cape Cod's Internet Address    *
*  http://ccsnet.com  Telnet://ccsnet.com  Ftp://unix.ccsnet.com  *
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From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:02 1995
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Subject: A word to wise
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 95 19:30:27 EST
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: Cape Cods Internet Address
Lines: 25


              A wise old owl lived in an oak,
              The more he saw, the less he spoke,
              The less he spoke, the more he heard.
              Why aren't we like that old bird?


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt  |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]    MAC is 5% of the market    [e-mail]  |
#======================================================================#

Get a GIF of K1OIK by telnet://ccsnet.com and go to FREE downloads for
bf1pres.gif (hams never had such excitment!) or call 508- 385-3427 and
download from file area 21 (free).

--
*******************************************************************
*  Message Sent From:   CCS WORLD  Cape Cod's Internet Address    *
*  http://ccsnet.com  Telnet://ccsnet.com  Ftp://unix.ccsnet.com  *
*  Games: TW2002, VGA Planets, 4 Player DOOM, Game Connection     *



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Sollows)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Any Icom IC25A Mods out there??
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 1995 17:09:49 GMT
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Does anyone know if there are any mods available for the IC25A. I've
checked the most popular "mods" archives on the net without any luck.
I am particularly interrested in an extended receive mode for this
radio. Replies via e-mail would be appreciated. Thanks.

Jim VE7JLS




From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:04 1995
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From: Steven Craddock <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: APRS  HELP!
Date: 5 Nov 1995 19:20:19 GMT
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Can anyone tell me which files I need to download to utilize the

GPS Tracking program of APRS (I have a PC, DOS & Windows).

I have found a ton of files and programs.  Some Im sure are old.

Everything listed like:  aprs74b.zip ????

I wish to get the latest software to use.  Can you help?


Please E-Mail me at:   [e-mail]

Thanks

73  KB8IAM     Steve



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Glenn Thomas)
Subject: Re: ARES/RACES
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Lauren Schiff ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hello...

:     I am the communications officer for the Blue Ridge Mountain
: Rescue Group located in Charlottesville, Virginia.  We are part
: of the Appalachian Search and Rescue Conference.

:     I would like to get in contact with ARES/RACES coordinators
: primarily in the state of Virginia, but also West Virginia,
: Maryland, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina.  What I am trying
: to do is put together information for our OPS kits, so that we
: know who to contact for additional assistance during search and
: rescue emergencies.  Use of repeaters in local areas would also
: be beneficial.

:     If anyone knows who I can contact for this information, it
: would be great if you could e-mail me at [e-mail]

:               Thanks,

:               Lauren Schiff
:               KB8WLD
:               Blue Ridge Mountain Rescue Group
: --

This is the kind of information a well organized and coordinated ARES
organization would be able to provide in a minute. The only problem
with this is that a few well meaning but sadly mistaken RACES
supporters have been insisting that each jurisdiction have its
OWN cadre of volunteers and that NO HAM volunteer for more than
one agency. This leads to a situation where the opportunities for
cross training and familiarization with different disaster service
organizations is kept to an absolute minimum. The final result of
this is that the synergy that might've been obtained is lost and
a ready pool of TRAINED operators is not available. Worse, when
a major incident occurs for one organization, they do not have a
trained pool of communications volunteers to draw on, even if the
people exist because many of them, perhaps the vast majority, are
registered with and trained by some other organization that takes
a VERY propritary view of their volunteer resource.

The result is that ARES/RACES does not function anywhere near as
well as it might. The ultimate losers in this are then the
general public that the disaster service organizations are
alleged to be helping.

Glenn Thomas wb6w



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:06 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cc.iu.net!news
From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARLB100 Morse requirement stays
Date: 4 Nov 1995 12:37:24 GMT
Organization: Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
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In <47e5g9$[e-mail]>, Stephan Rashkin <[e-mail]> writes:
>Please have some compassion for those AFFIRMATIVE ACTION CLASS operators,

you talking trash about Techs or about the guys with code waivers?

(sounds like he needs a dose of Sam Kinnison in his life. Bitter? AHHHHHHHHH!)

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Braun)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARLB100 Morse requirement stays
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 95 13:49:27 GMT
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comments: ============================================================
          This system is using a SHAREWARE version of UPS. If you
          notice this system using the shareware version longer than
          21 days, jump all over them for not supporting shareware!
          ============================================================
          UPS is a UUCP to NNTP/SMTP/POP3 gate for BBS programs that
          only support UUCP. Contact [e-mail] if you need
          information on this product.
          ============================================================
X-Mailer: Genesis [v7.2, SR# G00006919]

In Article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Steve Sampson) writes:

> There will then be indorsements.  I envision a linear endorsement, certified
> by at least 5 others so indorsed.  I envision a repairmen indorsement,
> certified by at least 5 others so indorsed.  I envision an Emergency
> indorsement.  You get the idea.  Your peers will indorse you, and you will
> not be authorized to operate in any mode not indorsed.
>
> This makes it a team effort, a non-cheat effort, and probably a lot more fun
> than isolating yourself, and studying a stupid book that has all the answers
> so you can be a "super-class" and spit on all those "sub-class."
>

It would also make it into a popularity contest, where you would have to
be "one of the guys (gals)" to get your endorsement.  Without OBJECTIVE
standards, clearly defined ahead of time, and not subject to the whims of
personal likes & dislikes, such a proposal would be a farce.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
*  Alan Braun MD, NS0B/V31EV  *   Internet: [e-mail]      *
*  Jefferson City, MO         *   Packet: NS0B@N0LBA.#cemo.mo.usa.noam  *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (GFA Robin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Autopatch rules
Date: 4 Nov 1995 16:18:20 -0500
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
Lines: 7
Sender: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <47glas$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (GFA Robin)
NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com

Can anyone tell me where, besides the FCC rules, I can find information on
Autopatch rules. It was my understanding that QST did an article a while
back on it, but I don't have any old issues. I have searched a few
Internet addresses, but haven't found anything either. The version I have
read in part 97 was about as clear as mud :(

Robin, KB9LAC


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:09 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Blind hams and radioshack
From: [e-mail] (Chris Smart)
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Have any blind hams out there used or tried to use the Radioshack ham
equipment?
I'm thinking about buying one of these radios, specifically the HTX404,
and would hate to end up with something extremely hard to use.

Thanks,
Chris.  ve3 sht
[e-mail], ->crs, 1:229/15

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From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James W Chandler III)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can an Advanced get a 1X3 Vanity Callsign?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 95 13:59:29 GMT
Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access
Lines: 15
Message-ID: <47ig01$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
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X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3

In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (John W. McClain) wrote:
>     When the FCC gives the go-ahead,  I would like to request a specific 1X3
>callsign but I don't know if my Advanced ticket allows me to get a 1X3.  Does
>anyone have an answer?
>

The latest vanity rules I saw allows an Advance class holder to get a Group
B,C or D license, so you should be ok.   Good luck and 73.


Jim Chandler, N0VAH
[e-mail]
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From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:11 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!dsm6.dsmnet.com!dsm1.dsmnet.com!MIKEMILLER
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can an Advanced get a 1X3 Vanity Callsign?
Date: 6 Nov 1995 06:16:08 GMT
Organization: DES MOINES INTERNET, DES MOINES, IA
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Reply-To: [e-mail]
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsm1.dsmnet.com

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John W. McClain) writes:
>     When the FCC gives the go-ahead,  I would like to request a specific 1X3
>callsign but I don't know if my Advanced ticket allows me to get a 1X3.  Does
>anyone have an answer?
>
Any class of license can keep (or obtain) a lower-class designated call at
their option. Lots of Wx, Kx, Nx, WA(B<D)x Techs, Generals, Advanced, and
Extra licensees in my neighborhood. If your first license is an Advanced, eg,
I believe you will be issued an Advanced call (KBxAA) as the first call -
you can re-apply for a different Advanced, General, or Novice call at
your convenience. I believe the rules spell out the exact specifics.

73   de Mike   N0JAS (Technician - Original)



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:11 1995
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From: Frank G3YCC <yorks@frank>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Crystal CW Rig - Help!
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 14:36:30 +0000
Organization: Uk
Lines: 18
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <47d81r$[e-mail]>
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In article <47d81r$[e-mail]>, Eric Jacksch <[e-mail]>
writes
>Hello all!
>
>I'm still looking for schematics for a very simple, single freqency
>crystal controlled 8m cw transmitter and/or receiver.  I have found
>lots of fancy, tunable units, etc...what I need is a very stable,
>one frequency unit.  It's for telemetry - low power is fine!
>
>Email to [e-mail] would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Eric.
Did you really mean 8m?
--
Frank G3YCC (G QRP 042)
Email: [e-mail]


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:13 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: [e-mail] (Tim Hynde ka8ddz/qrp Rochester, MI )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Crystal CW Rig - Help!
Date: 6 Nov 1995 00:51:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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Message-ID: <47jm5n$[e-mail]>
References: <47d81r$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
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X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Nov 05  4:51:03 PM PST 1995
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>In article <47d81r$[e-mail]>, Eric Jacksch <[e-mail]>
>writes
>>Hello all!
>>
>>I'm still looking for schematics for a very simple, single freqency
>>crystal controlled 8m cw transmitter and/or receiver.  I have found
>>lots of fancy, tunable units, etc...what I need is a very stable,
>>one frequency unit.  It's for telemetry - low power is fine!
>>
>>Email to [e-mail] would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Eric.

Have you considred the ARRL handbook or W1FB's QRP book, they both have
a plethora of low power CW transmitter schematics.

Best wishes,

Tim


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:14 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!kb6axk
From: [e-mail] (Joe Cira)
Subject: DIAL-UP BBS TO HAM PACKET DOOR
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 04:02:56 GMT
Lines: 24
Sender: [e-mail]

from the HAM*INFO*LINK*SOURCE BBS.........
attention all hams.......
GOOD NEWS FINNALLY.
the landline bbs now has a working bbs to packet DOOR,
which means,if you dont have a packet tnc, YET ? now you
can call a landline # ie> 818-584-1952 and connect
to the amateur packet world ! Right now it's on the
So.california DX cluster freq 145.690.not much chit/chat but
you will see what socal hams are "hearing" on the hf freqs.
it's still in the test mode..

  73' 88'from joe,kb6axk,arrl,sw,lax,acc.......
        call 818-584-1952..

/EX
S




--
US AMATEUR RADIO  |sysop of the HAM*INFO*LINK*SOURCE BBS|
KB6AXK            | at 1-818-584-1952,joe cira          |
PASADENA,CAL,91107|     [e-mail]               |


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:15 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!caen!reeve.research.aa.wl.com!decwrl!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!fnalv1.fnal.gov!MURSO
From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Drake R4A crystal help
Date: 6 Nov 1995 15:29:34 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
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Reply-To: [e-mail]
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalv1.fnal.gov
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In article <47l7q8$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Stephen G. Roseman) writes:
>I'm a brand new Tech-plus - got my callsign Saturday.  My dipoles are strung
>(and waiting on feedline...)  I've got my "brand new" Drake twins, a TX-4 and
>a R-4A.  I'd like to do some HF phone along with CW.  Oops - their 10M band
>starts at 28.5 Mhz, above the Novice band.
>
>So, I need a crystal, and have a few questions.
>
>1.  Anyone have suggestions for a good source of a crystal or two?
>>
>Thanks,
>Steve, N3WHW
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Steve Roseman
>Lehigh University Computing Center
>[e-mail]
Steve,
        I recently re-crystalled an FT-101 (put 10m back in it) with crystals I
purchased from JAN CRYSTALS in Florida.  They came very quickly in the mail and
I believe they were about $18.00 each.  Nice and friendly company to do
business with.
                        Mike KB9KFE


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Stephen G. Roseman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Drake R4A crystal help
Date: 6 Nov 1995 14:58:16 GMT
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I'm a brand new Tech-plus - got my callsign Saturday.  My dipoles are strung
(and waiting on feedline...)  I've got my "brand new" Drake twins, a TX-4 and
a R-4A.  I'd like to do some HF phone along with CW.  Oops - their 10M band
starts at 28.5 Mhz, above the Novice band.

So, I need a crystal, and have a few questions.

1.  Anyone have suggestions for a good source of a crystal or two?

2.  I don't have the manual for R-4A yet.  Looking at the crystals for the
    built-in bands, it appears that I need a 28.0+11.1=39.1 Mhz crystal.  Can
    anyone verify that?

3.  Does anybody have the crystal I need for a reasonable price?

Thanks,
Steve, N3WHW

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Steve Roseman
Lehigh University Computing Center
[e-mail]


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:17 1995
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From: "Charles J. Hawley Jr." <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: Drake R4A crystal help
Date: 6 Nov 1995 19:49:29 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois
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Call the R.L.Drake company for the crystals you need. They are very
helpful. They are in Miamisburg, Ohio, and the last phone# I have is (may
be out of date, but try it) 512-866-2421. The crystals are about $15 each.
Chuck, KE9UW




From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:18 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.eye.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!news.uh.edu!wb5fnd.tech.uh.edu!brad
From: [e-mail] (Brad Killebrew)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Dumb and dumber
Date: 5 Nov 1995 19:03:42 GMT
Organization: Univ of Houston Ham Radio Club
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[e-mail] wrote:

: On repeaters I hear a station call another but when there is no reply,
: the calling station comes back and says "nothing heard." Does the caller
: think we are all deaf and feels a requirement to state the obvious?

Sounds like this is a pet peve of yours.  I certainly have one also.
When reading these news groups, I see alot of newbies writing the word
Ham as "HAM" -- in all caps -- like it's an acronym (sp?).

It's not.  It's "Ham" or just "ham" radio.  The letters H, A, and M
do not "stand" for anything.

Get with the program.  :)

Oh, yeah.. I had a discussion one evening with a fellow who
though "ham" were the initials of Hiram Maxim.  That would be a nice
story if his middle name was not Percy.  Heheh.

--
Brad Killebrew N5LJV                   Unix Systems Administrator
[e-mail], [e-mail]              UH College of Technology
The Admin's prayer: "Our OS who art in CPU, UNIX be thy name.
  Thy programs run, thy syscalls done, in kernel as it is in version."



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:19 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!plato.oneworld.net!elvis.delphi.com!news.delphi.com!ki7mh
From: [e-mail] (Robert Wedlock)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: DX on FM 6 meters?
Date: 5 Nov 1995 04:48:07 GMT
Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation
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In article <475dld$[e-mail]>, Zack Lau <[e-mail]> writes:
> Zack KH6CP/1 6M VUCC with 3 watts and the HF dipole  [e-mail]

An impressive accomplishment indeed!!

--
Robert S. Wedlock        "Strive" - Buddha
[e-mail] (Household)
[e-mail] (Private)
[e-mail] (Packet radio)


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:19 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.intelenet.com!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Barry Dorfman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: EARTALK
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 01:26:06 GMT
Organization: InteleNet Communications, Inc.
Lines: 6
Message-ID: <47efe2$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.84.9
X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82

Does anyone have any experience  with, or info on, an earphone device
that also is a microphone?

Barry KB6CV




From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:20 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!not-for-mail
From: [e-mail] (andy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: EARTALK
Date: 4 Nov 1995 19:21:22 GMT
Organization: clark.net
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I test drove one at a vendor's table at a hamfest. I don't recall the
brand name, but it was around $39.  On-the-air reports indicated very low
audio level. I had to shout to be heard.  And of course, in normal use,
one would appear to be shouting at no one. This could make one look a bit
silly, if not raving mad.  Perhaps the more expensive version might be
better.

-------------\
andy, k4adl  |
20m ssb/qrp  |
the signal   |
no one hears |
-------------/


Barry Dorfman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Does anyone have any experience  with, or info on, an earphone device
: that also is a microphone?
:
: Barry KB6CV
:
:


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (William R. Rininger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: EARTALK
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 1995 22:22:26 GMT
Organization: Rust Net - High Speed Internet in Detroit  810-642-2276
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[e-mail] (Barry Dorfman) wrote:

>Does anyone have any experience  with, or info on, an earphone device
>that also is a microphone?

>Barry KB6CV

I've had one of those.  They work great and also have a good audio
quaility in the mic.  If you have a use for one I would recomend it.
I bought mine used and don't know where a new one could be obtained.

Bill N8UXB




From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jean-Louis Tremblay)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Electronic list of country prefixes
Date: 6 Nov 1995 21:40:27 GMT
Organization: Department of Education, New-Brunswick, Canada
Lines: 10
Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[3147]
Message-ID: <47lvcb$[e-mail]>
References: <46r0kj$[e-mail]>
 <47jimq$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.139.200.110
X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0.2@142.139.200.110
Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name.

Voila!

Looking for an electronic list of country prefixes.

Jean-Louis Tremblay VE9JLT

Evaluation
Department of Education
Fredericton
NB E3B 5H1 Canada


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:23 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!daver!dlr
From: [e-mail] (Dave Rand)
Subject: FREE - Manuals for E-Systems Radio
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: Association for the Prevention of Polar bears and Kangaroos
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 02:00:55 GMT
Lines: 12
Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.misc:93893 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21115

I have what appears to be a complete set of manuals for the E-Systems
UHF Radio Receiver/Transmitter (RT-1107/WSC-3(v)6, RT-1107/WSC-3(v)7).
If you want them, you can have them.  If you are local to me (San Jose,
California), you can pick them up, or send me postage to mail them to
you (about 2kg worth).

Call or email.  Only one set available - first come first served!


--
Dave Rand
Internet: [e-mail]


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:24 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS Sony SW55 $260 $355
From: [e-mail] (Chris Smart)
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!fonorola!news.crso.com!canrem.com!chris.smart
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun,  5 Nov 95 17:31:00 -0500
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Subject says it all; please reply here or send mail to
[e-mail], ->crs, or 1:229/15
Phone (voice): [phone]
I will also trade this radio for a 2010 in good shape.

.. 73, VE3 SHT.  19 years old, and licensed since June 15, 1987!
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From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Glenn Thomas)
Subject: Re: GPS standard
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One thing that you will need to do to receive GPS is be able to recieve
a spread spectrum signal. If you know what that means, then you likely
know more about GPS than I do. If you don't know, you are unlikely to
build a successful GPS receiver. - Glenn Thomas wb6w



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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Hams that have had sex.
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[e-mail] wrote:

>Wait, I'm a ham and I still enjoy having sex with my wife...
>
>Maybe just the older hams don't want sex...
>
>Tom Wyant - KB8UFJ


You are a ham AND have (and even enjoy) sex?

That is rare indeed.

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Subject: Help Locate Friend - So.Cal.
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I have been trying to locate an old friend AA6SF (Neil) in
Southern Cal. He seems to have moved. No forwarding address,
phone number or e-mail address. FCC still lists old address.
Anyone who can help me get in touch with him please help -
thanks.

Terry




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check freq 14247 a dx net. there is a wa4jtk Alan and he keeps a
up to date database for qsls.
Jim W2GC
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Joanne Dow)
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Subject: Re: How accurate is GPS?
Date: 5 Nov 1995 08:58:08 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>In article <46u0nk$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>How accurate is a GPS?  I wanted to know if they useful for
>>determining altititude.  Someone told me +/- 100'.  If this is true,
>>it would not be useful for altititude, since you could be off by 200'.
>
>Under many condtions, the civilian GPS is worse than that, +/- 100
>*meters*, or about 600 feet. When SA is off, accuracy as good as
>+/- 30 meters can be expected. For better results, you need to
>operate in military mode (restricted) or you need to use differential
>GPS. With differential mode, position accuaracy down to centimeters
>is possible, though usually with a fairly long integration time.

Creeb: Phrasing on +/- 100 meters being 600' leaves question... I'd have said it
was +/- 300' unless I wanted to toss in the loose change.

Accuracies to centimeter levels is two commonly available ways. Leica makes
suvey instruments that use GPS and integrate long enough to get honest to
1/100th a platinum bar in France or the appropriate number of cycles of the
appropriate frequency of light. Leica also inherited some of the Magnavox
differential GPS product line when they bought our commercial GPS products
group. These give on the order of +/- 3 to 5 meters accuracy for vehicles with
the dynamics such as you might find on a ferry boat threading the channels
between Helsinki and Sweeden. (Trust me - they *NEED* it. {^_-})

A lesser used option involves carrier tracking differential GPS which can return
a van to within centimeters of a bullseye on the pavement after drving around
the city. (That is not to guarantee they always know precisely where they are to
that accuracy while driving, though.)

>Gary
>--
>Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
>Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
>534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
>Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |

{^_^}     Joanne Dow, Amiga Exchange Editor on BIX, aka The Wizardess
          [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]
          (Who in her shameless past helped design the SA and dithering for
          those poor abused satellites for an Air Farce that DESPERATELY did NOT
          want to hear about "differential GPS." THey wanted to make it
          expensive for the Soviets to plunk a missle down Jimmy Carter's
          toity.)



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In article <473b6b$[e-mail]>, Ed Hunter <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Joe,
>
>GPS would be useless for determining altitude. GPS triangulates on
>government satellites to provide latitude/longitude (x,y) coordinates.
>GPS does not provide z values (altitude) at all.

Bandini (tm)

Differential carrier tracking GPS can tell you within a few centimeters your
location in all three dimensions relative to a very nearby reference point. (Say
the point at which you started the measurement series.)

It all devolves down to what in heck is the proposed application? For a boat
there is no reason to report the derived altitude. The person sitting reading
the instrument hopes like heck he is within a foot or two of where he thinks he
is vertically. If he is not he is in <Bandini (tm)>. However a person piloting a
plane would rather like to know altitude. For most of a route the +/- 300' level
of accuracy commercial uncorrected GPS gives is plenty good enough. During
landing approaches differential GPS could prove so accurate that the commercial
folks would want to do what the Military has done for military instrument
auto-landings - introduced an intentional random error longitudinally along the
runway. Otherwise the runway deteriorates within the 10' circles around the
assigned wheel touchdown spots. {^_-}

>
>+------------------------------------------------------------------+
>
>Ed Hunter, KD4MCM
>Project Specialist
>Miami Museum of Science
>               Opinions expressed are my own
>+------------------------------------------------------------------+

{^_^}     Joanne Dow, Amiga Exchange Editor on BIX, aka The Wizardess
          [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Joanne Dow)
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Subject: Re: How accurate is GPS?
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In article <471a8m$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (John Kodis) wrote:
>There's also a technique called carrier-phase differential GPS, in
>which the phase of the signal from the differential signal transmitter
>is used to fine-tune the position fix obtained using the standard
>differential technique.  This can provide centimeter level position
>accuracy.  However, the equipment gets very expensive, the recieving
>station has to be stationary, and of course a suitable transmitter has
>to be availible, and its location has to be known to at least the
>desired accuracy, or the best that can be done is to obtain a location
>relative to this fixed position.

I don't like to claim centimeter accuracy the way you have in that it implies
you know where you are in a city within centimeters using this technique. More
precisely you can reposition yourself to a given datum within centimeters. This
is a slightly different "solution". Note also that it only applies where you do
not have nearby multipath generating objects. Multipath can screwup any thought
you might have of centimeter accuracies *REAL* fast. This became very obvious
when the GPS prelaunch testset I designed had accuracy problems at the 2-3nS
level traceable to a defective design in bulkhead female type N connectors
designed for RG-223U cable. (Three manufacturers and two assemblers ALL gave the
same impedance bumps at 1GHs to about 1.7GHz. We changed to RG-223 to SMA
connectors with bulkhead SMA to N adapters and the problem fell down under 1nS.
But talk about problems that are pi**ers to find this one was a class one GEM.)
The upshot of this is a *GREAT* deal of scepticism on my part for any position
report more accurate than perhaps 4 or 5' unless the site is very multipath free
or the measurement takes place over a long enough time to cancel the multipath
effects.

>-- John Kodis.

{^_^}     Joanne Dow, Amiga Exchange Editor on BIX, aka The Wizardess
          [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]
          (Who STILL works a little on GPS receivers these days inspite of
          designing significant chunks of the satellites and escaping the
          insanity induced by SA and dither and all that nonsense.)



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From: [e-mail] (John Kodis)
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Subject: Re: How accurate is GPS?
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In article <47hube$[e-mail]>, Joanne Dow <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <471a8m$[e-mail]>,
>   [e-mail] (John Kodis) wrote:
>>There's also a technique called carrier-phase differential GPS, [ snip ]
>
>I don't like to claim centimeter accuracy the way you have in that it implies
>you know where you are in a city within centimeters using this technique. More
>precisely you can reposition yourself to a given datum within centimeters.
>
>{^_^}     Joanne Dow, Amiga Exchange Editor on BIX, aka The Wizardess
>          [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]
>          (Who STILL works a little on GPS receivers these days inspite of
>          designing significant chunks of the satellites and escaping the
>          insanity induced by SA and dither and all that nonsense.)

Quite correct.  I was trying to get the essentials across without
writing the definitive reference on the subject, and may have shot
through this point a bit too quickly.  Thanks for providing the
clarification.  I wouldn't want anyone to get their expectations too
high.

Given your background in this area, I was wondering if you could
provide some insight into something that I've wondered about.  Do you
have idea what the motivation is for inflicting "the insanity induced
by SA and dither and all that nonsense" on the civilian users of the
system?  Given the ease with which the positioning error induced by
jittering the signal can be corrected for with differential
techniques, the standard answer of "so the enemy can't use it" doesn't
ring true.  It seems like a ludicrous waste of money (even by military
standards) to have the DoD put up GPS, dither the signal to degrade
its accuracy, only to have the USCG and FAA put up differential
transmitters to get the accuracy back to about where it would have
been in the first place.

-- John Kodis.


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <47hub0$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joanne Dow) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>   [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>>In article <46u0nk$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>
>>Under many condtions, the civilian GPS is worse than that, +/- 100
>>*meters*, or about 600 feet. When SA is off, accuracy as good as
>
>Creeb: Phrasing on +/- 100 meters being 600' leaves question...
>I'd have said it was +/- 300' unless I wanted to toss in the loose change.

Yeah, a couple of other people were confused by what I wrote.
If you know your location to within 100 meters of a point,
you really only know your location is somewhere in a circle
with a diameter of about 600 feet centered on the point the
GPS is claiming you are. This is your CEP in targeting lingo.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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From: [e-mail] (Gerard Foley)
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Jeff Wigal ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hi--

: When I travel through some areas of Seattle, my radio is bombarded with
: intermod interference (at least that's what I think it is)...

<snip>

:  Is there anything I can do to filter this out?  Is there any kind of
: circuit that I can make that will reduce this interference?
<snip>
: -Jeff Wigal

   There are three general categories of action against intermod.  One is
filtering, that is, the placing of selective circuits between the
antenna and the receiver that will attenuate (weaken) one or more of
the signals which are acting together to produce the interference.
The filters can be narrow band, if only a narrow band of frequencies
is to blame, or wide band, if many signals on a wide range of frequencies
are involved.  The filters must themselves be carefully shielded to
prevent the interfering radiation from being picked up by the filter
just as it was by the antenna.

   The second category of prevention is making the device in which
the intermod is occurring more linear.  The crudest way to do this
is simply to attenuate all the signals that come into the receiver.
The cost is that the signals you want to hear are weakened along
with those you don't want.  The most subtle way is to change the
amplifiers and mixers in the receiver, normally not something we
want to fool around with.  The expensive way is to replace the
receiver with another that is more selective and more linear.

   Sometimes the only solution is to stay away from the area.
Other things outside your receiver may be generating the
intermodulation and putting it inside the band of frequencies
you want to listen to.  These can be the final amplifiers of
transmitters around the area, or rusty joints in fences, or
any of a number of non-linear devices that can generate and radiate
the intermodulation.  It ain't simple, and I doubt if there
is a metropolitan area in the North America, and maybe in the
world, where there is not some area where intractable intermod
does not occur.  The other services, police, cellular and so on
will try to deal with it by increasing the power of their
transmitters, which only makes the situation worse for everyone
else!  GL and 73
Gerry


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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
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I have a question.

I have an extra 2m HT which I would like to keep in our 3rd car. Will it
hurt the radio and/or battery being subjected to freezing wheather? (In
Columbus, Ohio...it can get down to 0 degrees F.)

I know my mobiles are usually ok...if its real cold, I let them warm up
a bit before operation, but my concern is mostly the Ni-Cad in the HT.

Any advice and/or experience? (Gary maybe?)

Thanks, & 73.
--
  +=================================+===================================+
  |Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT |[e-mail] |
  |Electronic/Computer Tech. @ OSU  |radio: n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam|
  +=================================+===================================+


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Distribution: world
> >1 = ripoff junk, never buy another
> >2 = dissatisfied
> >3 = mediocre, might buy one and might not
> >4 = reasonably satisfied, would condider buying another
> >5 = most wonderful 2 meter handheld ever conceived

4.  Mine has worked well for a year now with no intermod ever heard in
a room where an Icom and a Yaesu (sp?) were both unsquelching to out of
band noise.

James A. Doty



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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Gardner)
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Phil Rose ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article [e-mail], Steve Martin <[e-mail]> writes:
: >..Would someone please explain to me what "the 'N' word", Quebecois
:                                                            ^^^^^^^^^
: >..secession, or African-American genealogical issues have to do with ham
:    ^^^^^^^^^^
: >..radio???
: >..
: >..
: Country status for VE2 or whatever it would have become.

Does that mean we'd get another DXCC country? ;-)

--
Jerry Gardner          | Maintainer of the Large Format Digest
[e-mail]    | Send subscription requests to [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Alex Stockmal )
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        Hi,
    Thanks for reading my article.  I have purchased the Icom ICV21AT.
It is the 220 Mhz and 2m dual-bander.  Does anyone know of any mods??
                        Tnx
Philip Stockmal
A.R.S. N1TMG
President 21DXC Club
INDEXA MEMBER
ARRL   MEMBER


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: Is the Extra Class written really easer than the advanced
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Jeff Hall ([e-mail]) wrote:
:     I understand that the extra is easier than the advanced..Why? I  would
: like your remarks and any short cuts..thanks..Jeff

This is what I am hearing all the time.  I am currently studying for my
Extra.  Unfortunately, I cannot comment on the difference, as my Advanced
dates back to 1968.  I do feel that exams were more difficult then [read:
technically oriented] but taking them at an FCC office definitely raised the
anxiety level, especially if one had to drive as much as 150 miles, as the
regs were then.

I am not yet a VE, but as treasurer for our local club, I work with our VE
team to collect the fees at our monthly testing session.  Just with what I
learned from this experience, I took the exam with the full set of questions
on the Commissions rules, and scored a 79 percent score cold.

Well, the short cut the works for all license classes is memorizing the
question pool.  I cannot resolve myself to this approach, after many
years of working as an electronics technician, and even more years of being
a ham.  The best approach for me would be a classroom experience, but our
clubs classes cut off with Advanced.  This would certainly get me to my goal
faster than the occasional self-study from the ARRL manual.

Good luck in your pursuit, however you decide to do it.

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
Systems Analyst     |   San Bernardino City Unified School District
[phone] (O)  |   Unix:  "It isn't supposed to be easy...If it
[phone] (FAX)|   was, everyone would be doing it."  -Unknown-


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From: [e-mail] (Ignacio Huerta)
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Subject: Looking for Peruvian ARC's
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I have two nephews that live in San Isidro and Miraflores (somewhat
near Lime) in Peru and I would like to send them a ham rig for
Christmas. However, both need to get their licenses first. I'm looking
for any amateur radio clubs in that area that could help them get
their licenses and, also, advise me on what type of rig would be best
for them (given different line voltages and frequencies). Your help is
greatly appreciated

Responses in Spanish are ok if you ignore grammatical mistakes in my
response.

Tnx agn,
73 de Ignacio Huerta
AC6NY@KD4CVR.#NOCA.CA.USA.NOAM
[e-mail]



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:43 1995
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From: Mike Gathergood <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Methods of Execution
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 95 16:49:03 GMT
Organization: CQ-BBS [phone]
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Al Gerheim writes:

> condemned is strapped to a wooden chair, electrodes are attached, and
> a shock of 30,000 watts is applied. The prisoner is literally cooked

Is there any significance to the fact that this thread appears under
'Police Radar: Was he lying?' on my newsreader. Do any states have the
death penalty for speeding? If so, which ones?

73
Mike                  * QRV around 0800 and 1800 most weekdays on GB3HL *
G4KFK                 * (Hillingdon 433.075/434.675) and also 51.83 MHz *


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:44 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Morse code
Date: 4 Nov 1995 20:24:11 GMT
Organization: Cedar Rapids Public Library, Cedar Rapids, IA,  52401
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NNTP-Posting-Host: crpl.cedar-rapids.lib.ia.us

Drew sound exactly like one of them *transverter* fellers
with all that mean talk about Morse code and all those
nice folks that enjoy it so much.



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Boyer)
Subject: Re: Motorola Mods
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail] (Mark Boyer)
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Mark Boyer)
Organization: The National Capital FreeNet
References:  <47bkl6$[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 17:44:32 GMT
Lines: 23

MILO ([e-mail]) writes:
>  A friend recently picked up a couple of lunchbox sized pt-300
> handfulls, they are operating in the 160 Mhz area.Does anyone
> know how they can be changed to the 2 metre band


If they are similar to any of the other Motorola products 160 Mhz is
either at the top of the band or the bottom.  If memory serves me
correctly Motorola products run in 3 groupings for VHF 136-150, 150 to 162
and 162 to 174.  I am not familiar with the 300's but don't be surprised
if this is the case.  You would have to rebuild the radio from scratch to
get it to work.  I look after comms for the local Red Cross branch and
they are at 162 Mhz and I have had to pass on a lot of free Motorola gear
because it was from the lower groupings.

73
Mark

--
Mark Boyer VE3MJB   [e-mail]

HELP, HELP we're twapped in a Dash 8 going wound and wound.  A day in the
life at uAmps R us.


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (shatter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need PC program to practice code
Date: 4 Nov 1995 19:02:27 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]

Kevin Kuhl ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Does anyone know of a shareware or inexpensive program that can be used to
: practice Morse code.

I would check out the ham radio directories on such sites as

oak.oakland.edu
ftp.cs.buffalo.edu

I assume you have ftp ability.

Chad



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:46 1995
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From: 70511,[e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: New CAPMAN does contour mapping
Date: 4 Nov 1995 23:49:20 GMT
Organization: InterServ News Service
Lines: 14
Message-ID: <47gu60$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ad68-014.compuserve.com
Keywords: HF,PROPAGATION,IONCAP
X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.)
Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21113 rec.radio.amateur.misc:93886 rec.radio.shortwave:65622

  Version 3.0 of CAPMAN, Communications Analysis Prediction Manager, is now available with many enhancements.

  A mapping module is also available that provides color contours of: MUF or S/N, Reliability, Angle, Field Strength, Antenna Gains,
Virtual Height, Loss, Range and more relative to frequency, projected on a user specified area or the entire world map.

  See ads in the current issue of NCJ and CQ for more details.

contact:

        Lucas Radio/Kangaroo Tabor Software
        552 Wewoka Drive, Boulder, CO 80303
        303-494-4647  FAX: [phone]

Say you saw it here.


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark D. Fergus)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: New Radio Shack 2 mtr mobile
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 04:51:05 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeff Gold) writes:


>Anyone know anything about the new Radio Shack 2 meter mobile
>rigs. They are on sale for $299 now and it sure looked good.
>wonder who really makes it and how it compares to the other
>current 2 meter mobile on the market.
>73

>Jeff, AC4HF

Jeff,

I've heard lots of good things about this radio.  Dual VFOs, 30 memories, Call
channel, 45 watts, plus CTCSS encode and DECODE.  The only thing I don't like
about it is that transmit is from 144.600 to 147.995 MHz, not 144.000 to
147.995. However, it is expandable to MARS/CAP transmit.  Can't beat the price
this month, either.  Never seen a new mobile under $300.  I'm going to get one
next week.

Not sure who makes it, though.  Has same mic and front panel as Kenwood
TM-241A and Yaesu FT2200H.  However, these radios do not come with CTCSS
decode standard.  And the prices are higher.  When I get the HTX-212, I'll let
you know if I like it.

73's de N8VJF
Mark



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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Gold)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: New Radio Shack 2 mtr mobile
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 4 Nov 95 16:40:03 -0500
References: <[e-mail]>
X-From: [e-mail] (Jeff Gold)
X-Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Followup-To: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
X-Date: 4 Nov 95 16:39:05 -0500
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Lines: 7
Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.swap:50349 rec.radio.amateur.misc:93905

Anyone know anything about the new Radio Shack 2 meter mobile
rigs. They are on sale for $299 now and it sure looked good.
wonder who really makes it and how it compares to the other
current 2 meter mobile on the market.
73

Jeff, AC4HF


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Re: New Radio Shack 2 mtr mobile
Date: 6 Nov 1995 13:52:53 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
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Message-ID: <47l3vl$[e-mail]>
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Reply-To: [e-mail]
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeff Gold) writes:
>Anyone know anything about the new Radio Shack 2 meter mobile
>rigs. They are on sale for $299 now and it sure looked good.
>wonder who really makes it and how it compares to the other
>current 2 meter mobile on the market.
>73
>
>Jeff, AC4HF

Jeff,
        I have had an HTX-212 almost since they came out.  It has a few quirks
that are just slightly annoying (You can't save out of band freq - like the
weather broadcasts in memory.)  I have had no problem and it is very easy to
set up a repeater freq into memory.  Even the odd splits (my home repeater has
a 1.08M split) are not a problem.  It does CTCSS both directions out of the box
(Read no add-on board).  It has good audio and a 30 memory selection is plenty
for me.  You do have to "OPEN UP" the transmit and receive (it is still in band
however) to use many of the repeater that use a lower than RS allowed transmit.
I talked to customer service and their response was that it was intentional and
done to go along with a "gentlemens aggreement" on bandplan.  The 10 watt low
is a little higher power than I would like and the 45 high power is fine.  The
Squelch is a little wierd in the setting.  50% - 12 o'clock is just S1 on my
radio.  It is very hard to squelch out a moderate signal.
        All in all I would buy another for my wife, but I want to wait for the
rumored "dual-band" mobile (and give my wife the 2m unit!)
                                Mike KB9KFE


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:51 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Mark R. Jantz)
Subject: Phonetic alphabet words
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 06:14:44 GMT
Lines: 9
Sender: [e-mail]

Can anyone tell me where I can look up the phonetic alphabet words and/or
post them?  I am not into ham radio but understand hams know them.  It
seems that since police and military use them that they should be easy to
look up in a library, but I don't really know where to look.

Thanks.

/\/\ark



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (DarkStar)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Phonetic alphabet words
Date: 5 Nov 1995 17:57:32 GMT
Organization: CyberGate
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NNTP-Posting-Host: hopi.gate.net
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]

Alfa    Bravo   Charlie Delta   Echo    Foxtrot Golf    Hotel   India
Juliette        Kilo    Lima    Mike    November        Oscar   Papa
Quebec  Romeo   Sierra  Tango   Uniform Victor  Whiskey Xray    Zulu


--
--
================= DarkStar == Auburndale Florida == USA ===================
                Do you have/need/want wireless cable TV ?
                       Computing with an attitude.



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:52 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David S. Curry KG2EB)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Police radar, was he lying?
Date: 6 Nov 1995 16:35:33 GMT
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]

 Thanks to all for the advice on the cars.  Yeh, i realize that when driving
a 1994 Mustang you might as well paint a sign on it saying "Pull me over"
My main concern is the fact that he couldnt prove to me that I was speeding
by not showing me the radar.  The other constraints i forgot to mention in
the original post was the fact that i was coming round a corner, he was
coming the oposite way and there was a hill between us, he only had me for
a second or two.  This is a small town area.  I had the idea that he was
required to show you the radar, it must be different in different states
but this sure is gonna be a hit to the wallet.

Tnx for the Web sites
73
David KG2EB



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:53 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Popular Communications?
From: [e-mail] (Chris Smart)
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Distribution: world
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun,  5 Nov 95 17:31:00 -0500
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Hi.  I heard somewhere recently that Popular Communications Magazine could
be obtained in an alternate format, namely on computer disk.
Can anybody confirm or deny this info?  Is anybody currently receiving
this magazine on disk, and if so, how much is the subscription per year?

Thanks,
Chris.
[e-mail], ->crs, or 1:229/15

.. 73, VE3 SHT.  19 years old, and licensed since June 15, 1987!
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

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From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (shatter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Q: Does anyone frequent IRC?
Date: 4 Nov 1995 19:05:17 GMT
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I have noticed that there is a #HamRadio channel on the IRC.... but I
only RARELY see anyone on it... and usually I see only one person there
if there IS anyone on it.... Is there a schedule to meet up on the IRC or
is it that no one uses this medium of communication?

Chad



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:55 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Velez)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Q: Does anyone frequent IRC?
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 1995 18:55:19 GMT
Organization: NetGate Communications
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X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82

[e-mail] (shatter) wrote:

>I have noticed that there is a #HamRadio channel on the IRC.... but I
>only RARELY see anyone on it... and usually I see only one person there
>if there IS anyone on it.... Is there a schedule to meet up on the IRC or
>is it that no one uses this medium of communication?

>Chad

I also get on there once in a while to talk to folks on the east coast
where I used to live. You're right though, its a very quiet channel.

Ed / KD2PM


Ed Velez / Corsair Communications
Taking the bite out of cellular fraud...



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (shatter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Q: What dual band HT to buy?
Date: 4 Nov 1995 04:05:23 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis
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I want to buy a 2m/70cm dual band HT radio.  Which unit should I buy and
why should I buy it?

I have been looking at the following radios:

Kenwood TH-79AD
Icom IC-W21AT
Yaesu FT-530
Icom IC-Z1A

Also are there any mods for the IC-Z1A?

Thanks!!

Chad Baker



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:57 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: QSL Help pse.
Date: 4 Nov 95 16:32:06 -0330
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
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NNTP-Posting-Host: leif.ucs.mun.ca


Are there any sites which have call book servers for DX callsigns?
In the mean time, If anyone has an address or QSL manager for Tom,
UA0KAG, I'd certainly appreciate having it forwarded.

Thanks and 73
Joe VO1NA



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:58 1995
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From: Jim Cronn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: QSL info...
Date: 5 Nov 1995 15:18:06 GMT
Organization: CFTnet
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Message-ID: <47ikje$[e-mail]>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit)
To: [e-mail]

Any US call can be located via qrz.com here on the net along with
several other call book servers. The qrz page is excellent and I
am sure you would enjoy it.
WeGC Jim
[e-mail]



From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:07:59 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Curry)
Subject: QSL Route for T32BZ??
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: Netcom-Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 16:59:41 GMT
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Sender: [e-mail]


 I am looking for QSL manager for T32BZ? I was able to work
him last night on 20. His signal was 59 from San Francisco Bay Area.


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From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:08:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Todd Jonz)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: R.S. policies and respect
Date: 4 Nov 1995 10:17:49 GMT
Organization: scruz-net
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  <476oa6$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.179.78.1
X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.3

<[e-mail]> writes:

        > The only thing you have to say when the [Radio Shack] sales person
        > [asks for your name and address] is NO THANKS....The sales person
        > will not be offended if you say no

This may be the case in the store where you work, Anthony, but I can assure
you that it's not universally true.  A clerk in my local store actually
refused to sell me a 9-pin RS-232 gender bender unless I gave him my name
and address.  I left the store without it rather than yield to his BS.

        > if you are doing a return, then they have to get your name.

Most reputable businesses are satisfied by a dated register receipt.  If
this is not the case at Radio Shack, I suugest this policy should be posted
in large print beside the cash register.  Based on my experience, I think
my local store should post a sign at the door that reads:

                If you wish to do business with us, you must
                provide us with your name and address, which
                we will sell to mailing list maintainers so
                they can fill your mailbox with junk mail.

I wonder how *that* would effect business?  I've seen it asserted here that
Radio Shack does not sell its mailing list, but I can assure you that they
most definitely do.  Before I stopped giving them my name, I would use a
different ficticious name on each visit.  Soon thereafter I was receiving
multiple copies of the same junk mail addressed to Gus Flaubert, Ben Disraeli,
and Irv Washington!


KB6JXT, Todd




From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:08:01 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jlowman
From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: R.S. policies and respect
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
References: <"30-Oct-95..8:21:09".*[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 01:48:38 GMT
Lines: 32
Sender: [e-mail]

[e-mail] wrote:
: To Drew and all the rest,

:       With all of this rambling on about Radio Shacks name policy on sales,
: it just ain't so!  The only thing you have to say when the sales person (Drew-
: have respect for them) asks is NO THANKS.   Thats all!   Now if you are doing a
: return, then they have to get your name.  The sales person will not be offended
: if you say no, but the most important thing is to treat the person as you would
: like to be treated!

While I agree that we should not take out our anger with a misguided
corporate policy on the salesperson, know that there are many who are very
persistent about getting this information.

I just became aware that RS has a presence on the Internet:

[e-mail]

Those of us who do not like the name-and-address policy at RS should
complain loudly, right to the corporate level.  For the most part, making
any sort of complaint, even to the manager, just will not accomplish
anything; this is true of most retail businesses.

I have already used the above address to send e-mail, notifying them of the
ongoing discussion/outrage about their policy in this newsgroup.

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
Systems Analyst     |   San Bernardino City Unified School District
[phone] (O)  |   Unix:  "It isn't supposed to be easy...If it
[phone] (FAX)|   was, everyone would be doing it."  -Unknown-


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: R.S. policies and respect
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Todd Jonz ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Most reputable businesses are satisfied by a dated register receipt.  If
: this is not the case at Radio Shack, I suugest this policy should be posted
: in large print beside the cash register.  Based on my experience, I think
: my local store should post a sign at the door that reads:

:               If you wish to do business with us, you must
:               provide us with your name and address, which
:               we will sell to mailing list maintainers so
:               they can fill your mailbox with junk mail.

: I wonder how *that* would effect business?  I've seen it asserted here that
: Radio Shack does not sell its mailing list, but I can assure you that they
: most definitely do.  Before I stopped giving them my name, I would use a
: different ficticious name on each visit.  Soon thereafter I was receiving
: multiple copies of the same junk mail addressed to Gus Flaubert, Ben Disraeli,
: and Irv Washington!

The best suggestion I have heard is to give a ficticious name, with the
address of another local RS store.

I think I will be "Jack Offenback" the next time I go to a RS store other
than the one where I usually shop; the manager there is a member of our
local radio club.

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
Systems Analyst     |   San Bernardino City Unified School District
[phone] (O)  |   Unix:  "It isn't supposed to be easy...If it
[phone] (FAX)|   was, everyone would be doing it."  -Unknown-

: KB6JXT, Todd




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From: [e-mail] (Gary Danaher)
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Radio Amateur Callbook
Date: 04 Nov 1995 11:44:30 GMT
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The November QST had 3 ads in the back from vendors willing to sell at a
discount, arount 33-36 dollars US.



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Scott is correct. Here in Florida they have a ongoing campaign
trying to every state to collect tax on all & any mail order
buying.
Jim W2GC



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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: Radio Shack and HT Sales
Date: 6 Nov 1995 04:07:58 GMT
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In <47jijl$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>I worked for RS for a year.  They know it requires a license to use a ham radio.  They don't care.  If you have the money, they
>will sell it to you.  I never would do it.  It really pissed off the manager.

you could put the store and company in serious legal trouble..it's not illegal to
sell a radio to someone.  it's not illegal for them to listen using the radio.
it's just illegal for them to transmit w/o proper authorization for the band they're
on...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



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Subject: Radio Shack Hams
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 95 01:11:31 PST
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72>>in my experience, the pieces and parts and even one or two of their
72>>high-end scanners are about all radio shack is good for.  just in my
72>>experience, anyone that says they're happy with their radio shack stereo
72>>system or television did not do a whole lot of shopping around before
72>>they decided to buy.
72>>
72>>greg
72>>kd6ven

72> I agree with above reference to being helped by a licensed ham not always
72>meaning what it sounds like. If you can hear the conversation between
72>some of the hams on our local repeater, most of you better informed hams
72>will laugh.

72>Just because they passed a test that anyone can memorize does not make
72>them an authority on electronics. I still hear Bozo statements from hams who
72>have been into the hobby for many years, like:

72>"You are real strong into the repeater. I am getting full scale on my meter!

72>"I can't understand why you are noisy. I am getting full scale on my meter."

72>"You better not drain your batteries all the way down, because their
72>memories will be shot!"-----This was heard in a conversation in a Radio
72>Shack store between a Radio Shack ham and one of his newly liscensed
72>ham customers.

72>" My HT drains too much voltage in the car because I get alternator whine!"

72>"My antenna must be broken. I get almost a dead short from the center
72>conductor to ground"

72>"There must be something wrong with the repeater. I hear paging tones
72>all the time."

72>These statements were all from "liscensed hams". Need I say more?

72>Steve, WA3RVT


i agree with you completely steve.  this was basically about rules and
regs though.  that makes me wonder if the same hams you mention even
know the rules and regulations well to boot!  i've heard very similar
statements on the local repeaters in my area as well.  hence, i stay
away from 2-meters as much as possible.

greg
kd6ven


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: Radio Shack Hams
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I visited the HRO store in Burbank, CA last weekend, and bought  an antenna
tuner and a couple of publications.  When asked if there was anything else,
I asked about an attenuator for my QRP rig.  Happy to report, the
salesman-manager caught the joke right away.

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
Systems Analyst     |   San Bernardino City Unified School District
[phone] (O)  |   Unix:  "It isn't supposed to be easy...If it
[phone] (FAX)|   was, everyone would be doing it."  -Unknown-


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From: [e-mail] (James A Doty)
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Subject: Re: Radio Shack Hams
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> "You are real strong into the repeater. I am getting full scale on my meter!"

> "I can't understand why you are noisy. I am getting full scale on my meter."

> "You better not drain your batteries all the way down, because their
> memories will be shot!"-----This was heard in a conversation in a Radio
> Shack store between a Radio Shack ham and one of his newly liscensed
> ham customers.

> " My HT drains too much voltage in the car because I get alternator whine!"

> "My antenna must be broken. I get almost a dead short from the center
> conductor to ground"

> "There must be something wrong with the repeater. I hear paging tones
> all the time."

> These statements were all from "liscensed hams". Need I say more?

> Steve, WA3RVT

That's a great list.  I've heard some of the same statements here in
Vancouver, WA.  It's too bad some ham radio operators don't understand
some of the basics.

Speaking of basics, I was in my college's bookstore recently buying
supplies when I came across a salesperson helping a customer buy 3.5"
diskettes.  She told the customer it was the hard disk needed for the
customer's Windows class.

James A. Doty
KI7EL



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From: [e-mail] (Paul R. Ryack)
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Subject: SkyRider terminal program for 1278
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 1995 00:49:29 GMT
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QST for November, 1995, mentions a new shareware terminal program for
the MFJ1278 called SkyRider.  Does anybody know of a web site where it
can be found.  TNX & 73 de Paul, W1ETH
Paul R. Ryack, W1ETH/6
[e-mail]
W1ETH@K6TZ.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM



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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: The "I" man is a ham
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Brian Kantor <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> I look like an idiot
>>We know. Now try to say the above *without* using "I".
>
>How about "Brian Kantor looks like an idiot"
>
>Does that do it?
>       - Brian

Sure! But why are you calling yourself an idiot?

I'm almost as good with my editor as you are with yours. But I'm
*sure* your editing out an attribution line was only an honest error.

Jeff



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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Unliscensed use
Date: 4 Nov 1995 07:29:16 GMT
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>Hmmm...just when we think drew has come around, he goes off
stereotyping
>and "grouping" all RS sales people, with assumptions and name calling.
>
>Wonder how many "construction workers, apartment maintenance workers,
>truck drivers, ect." drew has heard in the ONE month he has had his
license
>with his single HT?

I've heard all of the above, Chris...both on 2-meters and also on 10-
meters.  Believe it or not, non-hams actually do buy these radios and use
them illegally.  Why don't you come on down here and I'll show you.
While you're down here, we'll talk on the radio a bit.  Maybe if I get
lucky, the RF in close proximity to your body will cause your pacemaker
to malfunction and you'll die.  Then I won't have to listen to your
nonsensical drivel anymore.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM




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Subject: Unliscensed use
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 95 01:11:31 PST
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CG>>As a licensed amateur operator, it is of great concern to me that Sammy
CG>>Salesdroid doesn't know the difference between a business band radio, a
CG>>GMRS radio, a CB radio, and an amateur radio.  Is it any wonder that
CG>>we're now hearing all sorts of (unlicensed) construction workers,
CG>>apartment maintenance workers, truck drivers, etc. on 2-meters these days?
CG>>
CG>>
CG>>-Drew in Charlotte-
CG>> KF4DDM
CG>>
CG>Hmmm...just when we think drew has come around, he goes off stereotyping
CG>and "grouping" all RS sales people, with assumptions and name calling.

CG>Wonder how many "construction workers, apartment maintenance workers,
CG>truck drivers, ect." drew has heard in the ONE month he has had his license
CG>with his single HT?

apparently longer than one month, since i have messages in my que that i
save for entertainment purposes that show drew's .sig and call letters
much longer than one month.

and it's not just drew.  i've heard the same as well, locally, for
years... even before i got my license some 3 years ago...

greg
kd6ven


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Subject: Re: Unliscensed use
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In <47f4oc$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Drew
Durigan) writes:

>  Maybe if I get
>lucky, the RF in close proximity to your body will cause your
pacemaker
>to malfunction and you'll die.  Then I won't have to listen to your
>nonsensical drivel anymore.

Drew, you're such a pig.  You must have been the one who posted all
those pacemaker cracks on AOL that had to be deleted by the management.
 Class act.

Mike, KK6GM



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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: Unliscensed use
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        Glenn Hansen <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I can agree to some of what you say but here in Washington it doesn't seem
>that we have the same age group. The 'lost' Radio Shack employees I have delt
>with cross all age, race and gender groups. Up here it is like a disease, it
>doesn't care who it infests.

Ditto all the stores I've frequented in the Southeastern New England
area

It's always amusing to be wandering around in the electronic
components section only to have the salesmoron come up to you
and say 'is there something I can help you find?' I usually
reply 'yeah, I'm looking for an electrolytic isolinear thermoflux
capacitor with a photoionization ohm restrictor". When their
eyes start to clear a little the next thing out of their mouth
undoubtably is "do you have the part number for that?" to which
I reply "No... but gee, I know its in the electronics section
of the latest catalog." Being ever so helpful they always offer
to go look it up for me, because with a name that long, its
gonna be really expensive and the commission they'll get on it
will buy clearasil for the rest of the month.

While they're off in the back room looking or asking the
"manager" (invariably another zit-faced kit in the back room)
I quietly pick up what I need, pay at the counter, and leave.

The next time I go in, they usually don't bother me.

MD
--
--
-- "Who needs looks when you've got taste?"
--


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From: [e-mail] (Val Breault)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Unliscensed use
Date: 06 Nov 1995 16:11:27 GMT
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In article <46troo$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (bill newman) writes:

> An earlier post brought the issue of Radio Shack to the head. There are
> many sales persons at the RS stores that don't actually know what they
> are selling. I have been to a couple of RS stores and have been told that
> the 2m trancevers are just UPGRADED CB radios. I even had one salesperson
> demo the unit stating that all you had to do was to put together a group
> of numbers and letters and anybody would take that as a license and talk
> to you.

That's the fault of the salesperson, not Radio Shack.

ALL their amateur radio promotional material mentions the fact that a
license is mandetory.

ALL the amateur radio packages mention the necessity of a license.

The training materials that all employees are required to read and the
weenie test on those materials cover the licensing requirement.


Radio Shack's VP of marketing is an active ham.  He used to be in
charge of the communications line.  The fellow that replaced him in
that capacity is also an active ham.


The problem you saw there is a common problem wherever you have sales
persons.

New car salesman: "This truck will easily handle a 36 foot trailer."

Watercraft salesman: "...we even include a fire extinguisher so you'll
have all the safety equipment the coast guard requires".

Home improvement salesman: "We'll take care of all the permits and
follow all the building codes."

Equipment rental person: "Sure, anyone can run a trencher. You just
turn this key to start and pull back on this lever to go."

Hardware store help: "Of course you can use this paint in a basement.
You can use ANY of our paints in a basement."

Gardening supply salesperson: "You need to use a face mask with that
bug spray.  Any kind will do."

OKAY, okay.... I know I tend to get carried away...


--
Val Breault [e-mail]          \      /|     ars N8OEF
GM R&D Center - instrumentation dept.  \    / |     pres GM ARC
My opinions are not necessarily those   \  /__|     HF mobile on
of GM R&D or of the GM Corporation.      \/   |___  14.200 +/-


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Subject: VHF Communications Magazine
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Hi there,

Yes I am afraid its me again - but initiating my own thread!!!

I now I cannot compete with HRT - heaven forbid! - but for all those
who might be interested we have arrived on the Web!

Our Web pages can be found at:

http://www.taynet.co.uk/~gdx/ag/vhfcomm.htm

Initially our pages are quite simple, in order to guage response etc.
So, please let me have your comments (not too unkind please!) and
suggestions and I will see what can be done.

Even better - how about subscribing!!!!!!

73 ... Mike
--
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From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:08:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
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Drew Durigan ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Better yet: get Caller ID which displays the name and phone number of the
: person/business calling you.  By looking at the box, you will instantly
: know whether it's an important call or whether it's an unwanted
: telemarketer/bill collector/boss on day off/ex-boyfriend, girlfriend,
: husband, wife/other nuisance call.  The use of Caller ID together with an
: answering machine has proven to be quite effective; I would highly
: recommend it.

As I understand it, Caller ID is not infallible.  What about Caller ID
blocking?  It looks like an idea that started out well, but was able to be
circumvented even before it fully came into being.

Correct me if I am wrong, Drew.  Actually, I would prefer to hear that my
info is incorrect.

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
Systems Analyst     |   San Bernardino City Unified School District
[phone] (O)  |   Unix:  "It isn't supposed to be easy...If it
[phone] (FAX)|   was, everyone would be doing it."  -Unknown-


From Unknown Mon Nov 06 21:08:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Will DSP & Pre-Amp help 2m SSB
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In article <47ea3n$[e-mail]> Buster <[e-mail]> writes:
>I know your antenna is the most important part of your rig.
>I have no room for a bigger antenna.  I have a small yagi on a camera
>tripod in my 2nd floor apartment.
>I do stick the antenna out on the balcony sometimes.
>
>Will DSP and/or a pre-amp help me "pull in" the weak signals on
>2m ssb?  I can usually tell there is modulation there. It's just so
>low I can't understand it.

Probably not.

>What are the affects of DSP?

There are basically 3 things an outboard audio DSP unit can do
for you. The most unique thing it can do is notch out multiple
carriers in the passband. This doesn't really apply in your
case. The second thing it can do is offer you a narrowed passband
response. This is useful if your radio has inadequately narrow
filtering. If the radio filter is already near the minimum for
the speech bandwidth, then DSP likely won't help here either.
The third thing some DSP boxes can do for you is suppress
uncorrelated gaussian noise in the passband. This sounds great,
and just what you need, but there's a catch. For most units
to discriminate between coherent signals and uncorrelated
noise, the signal must be significantly stronger than the
noise. So DSP can make copy more comfortable, but it's unlikely
to make a signal lost in the noise readable.

>What are the affects of a Pre-amp?

The primary effect of a preamp is to set your system noise figure.
You almost never need more signal gain to deal with a signal buried
in noise. What you need is a better signal to noise ratio. Some
SSB transceivers for VHF/UHF have a pretty dismal basic noise figure,
and long coax runs can degrade that even more. So a preamp at the
antenna can be a great help in improving your system noise figure
and allow you to have a better SNR. Now that's if the primary reason
for a poor SNR is internally generated noise in the receiver. If
the noise is externally generated, IE atmospheric or manmade, then
the preamp will happily amplify that too and won't materially improve
your ultimate SNR. If your basic receiver has a good noise figure,
and your coax run is short, a preamp probably won't help.

Now there's a downside to preamps too. If there are strong signals
nearby, your preamp will "crunch" and generate intermodulation
products that can make an otherwise readable signal unreadable.
So too much gain can be as bad as too little.

It sounds like to me that neither an audio DSP box nor a preamp
will help much in your situation. You really need a better antenna
and antenna location. In the computer world there is an expression,
GIGO, meaning Garbage In, Garbage Out. You're getting more garbage
than signal because of an inadequate antenna. The only solution is
to fix the problem at its source by improving the antenna.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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From: [e-mail] (KK5EP)
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Subject: Wiring home for 220 outlet.
Date: 5 Nov 1995 22:49:19 -0500
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Anybody ever wire your place for 220 so you can hook up a linear?  HELP!
73, Mike ([e-mail])


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Buddy are you ever in the wrong forum.

These people do not even have sex.

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




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From: Ken Florence <[e-mail]>
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I would like to build an antenna tuner for 2 meters and 220.
Something that works on both, or plans for a unit to wrk one or
the other wud be great. Can anyone point me to a book or
magazine article on the above? Only needs to handle 100 watts or
so. Thanks.
--
Ken Florence  KA3PLS
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Pete Rossi)
Subject: Re: 10 M  is supposed to open when ?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael White) writes:
>>In these times, the FCC has had to save some $ and have been turning off
>>the propagation generators for many hours of the day.
>
>Come on, fellows; stop pulling this guy's leg. Everyone knows that funding
>for 10 meters was dropped from the FCC's budget about 3 years ago. We
>should all write our congress-people to lobby for reinstatement of the
>funding. If past legislative efforts are any indication, we can probably
>get 10 meters restored in about 3-4 years.
>
>Mike, N4PDY

Nah..  Not that long.   Depending on how the elections go this week, I
think we will see some partial return of funding in by the spring  :-)

---

Pete Rossi - WA3NNA
[e-mail]
Loral Defense Systems-Eagan    (formerly  Unisys Government Systems Group)
Valley Forge Engineering Center - Paoli, Pennsylvania


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From: [e-mail] (Ilkka Kontola)
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In article <47itd2$[e-mail]> Bruce Goldstein <[e-mail]> writes:

>Instead of listening on 10M, Give a CQ.  You never know
>who is also listening!)
>
>       - 73

I think this was very good hint. I guess that in (relatively) sparsely
ham-populated areas such as here in Scandinavia most of the VHF/UHF
openings go unnoticed since everyone is listening (and no one
calling CQ). During solar minima the 28 MHz is more like 50 MHz
(which is, by definition, a VHF band) than other HF bands.

Please read the next very carefully:
I do not like nor encourage 27 MHz self-made (pirate) "amateurs" using
27.555 MHz.

I have noticed that at times when 28 MHz seems completely dead
there is often lots of traffic in the pirate band. Real, licended amateur
radio operators move to lower frequencies and do not even give 28 MHz a
try during the times the band is supposed to be dead.

73, Ilkka OH3NJC


*********************************************************************
Ilkka Kontola                   E-Mail: [e-mail]
Nokia Mobile Phones             Amateur packet radio: oh3njc@oh3rbr
Tampere, Finland


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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Pete Rossi) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael White) writes:
>>>In these times, the FCC has had to save some $ and have been turning off
>>>the propagation generators for many hours of the day.
>>
>>Come on, fellows; stop pulling this guy's leg. Everyone knows that funding
>>for 10 meters was dropped from the FCC's budget about 3 years ago. We
>>should all write our congress-people to lobby for reinstatement of the
>>funding. If past legislative efforts are any indication, we can probably
>>get 10 meters restored in about 3-4 years.
>>
>>Mike, N4PDY
>
>Nah..  Not that long.   Depending on how the elections go this week, I
>think we will see some partial return of funding in by the spring  :-)
>>
>Pete Rossi - WA3NNA
>[e-mail]
>Loral Defense Systems-Eagan    (formerly  Unisys Government Systems Group)
>Valley Forge Engineering Center - Paoli, Pennsylvania
The truth is that since many of the Democrats do not understand radio
propagation and the control circuitry for it, one of their KID appointments
was playing with the knobs and broke them.  No one in the executive branch has
the slightest idea how to get things aligned again.  Of course, they are trying
to run the country with the same lack of knowledge.
                                Mike KB9KFE
                (expecting bleeding heart liberal flames)


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From: [e-mail] (Scott Leaf)
Subject: Re: 10 M  is supposed to open when ?
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-> In article <47itd2$[e-mail]> Bruce Goldstein
<[e-mail]> writes:
->
-> >Instead of listening on 10M, Give a CQ.  You never know
-> >who is also listening!)
-> >
-> >       - 73


During the CQ World Wide VHF Contest, October 28 & 29th I made several
contacts to Argentina on 10 meters from Vancouver, Canada.  Its open once
in a while the key is to watch 15 meters for action or like wise with 6
meters when there is Sporadic E.

--
Scott Leaf
[e-mail]
Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada


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In article <47g1j2$[e-mail]>, Kirk Prodzinski <[e-mail]> writes:
> Anyone know when 10 is supposed to open up again ?
>


Ten HAS BEEN opening from time to time, even with cruddy sunspots, mostly to
south america and caribbean, but worst case is short DX to west coast from my
midwest location

Just gotta be there at the right place and right time

For ten to be open as much as it was two years ago (i.e. three years before the
officially predicted sunspot trough/valley), check back in a year or three.

it ain't dead, but you gotta look real hard for a pulse... worked a few
stations in CQ SSB and sweepstakes

Have faith

Mel  KJ9C


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Is it possible that this could be the beginning of the mother of all leg
pulls?
--






                 ..as for the mysteries of the
                Universe...they knew them not...


  And in the time of their visitation they shall shine, and run
  to and fro like sparks among the stubble.

  gareth     e-mail    [e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Rick Huffman)
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Butch Magee ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Awww, c'mon guys,...I was watching CSPANN last night and they passed a
: partial funding bill, therefore, 10Mtrs. will be up on occasion, partially
: open for short periods, mostly down because of Demon-cratic lobby.  Only
: the push from the extreme religeous right (God), will get the band fully
: functional in about 4 years.  Hang in there!

: Butch KF5DE


PTL, Butch.

God Bless
Rick, N8KZK
--



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From: [e-mail] (Stephen D'Amelio)
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Subject: Re: 10 M  is supposed to open when ?
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Alan Harp ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >>
: >In these times, the FCC has had to save some $ and have been turning off
: >the propagation generators for many hours of the day.  (Sometimes they
: >make some minor modifications to the generators and turn them on without
: >formal notice -- Instead of listening on 10M, Give a CQ.  You never know
: >who is also listening!)
: >
: >       - 73
: >
: Yeh and alot of these no-code techs have a secret code that they
: can key in on the touch-tone pad that turns off 10M.

Gee Alan, I guess I better go get my code speed up so I can start
shitting on fellow hams rather than just answering a simple question.

Is this what the hobby is about, you must be proud.

--

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Steve D'Amelio                                       Systems Administrator
Progress Software Corp.                              Platform Engineering
14 Oak Park                                          Unix 5.4 / HPUX
Bedford,  MA 01730                                   [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Lyndon Nerenberg)
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[e-mail] (Bill Turner) writes:

>10 is open almost every day.  The path between North and South America is
>especially reliable, although not very strong at this point in the solar
>cycle.

And almost every night. Turn your beam due north at midnight and
start listening/hollering. You will often get a 10-30 minute
opening right around midnight. And sometimes again around 0200.

--lyndon



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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

> Well I have at least one story to tell related to a spark transmitter.
> When I was stationed at Otis AFB I had a lot of trouble sleeping because
> the guy in the barracks near me played his AM radio real loud. So I
> hooked up a buzzer to my 40 meter dipole and wrapped the buzzer in a
> blanket (to silence the SOUND) and when he played the radio I turned on
> the buzzer destroying his station. After several days of this I offered
> my "help" suggesting that playing the radio too loud caused it to
> "oscillate", he played it lower and he had no more problems.
>
> Burt Fisher
> K1OIK

I had an RF engineer friend who used to work in a lab where there was one
fellow who listened to an FM radio quite a bit. Well, this friend used an
HP signal generator that had FM capabilities and an audio input for
modulation with a radio on the AM band. He basically arranged it so that
no matter which frequency the guy tuned to on his FM radio, he would only
hear WJR on 760AM in Detroit.

--Steve, N8HSC


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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Alinco 6 mtr rig mods???
Date: 11 Nov 1995 04:44:38 GMT
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>i bought this dang alinco 6 mtr mobile, and i cant even recieve cordless

>phones, i have heard that there is a recieve mod with a simple keystroke


How about a TRANSMIT mod for 49Mhz...now THAT would be fun! <g>

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



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From: [e-mail] (Val Breault)
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Subject: Re: AM/FM Radio w/Digital Presets
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In article <46uugv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Richard M. Flood) writes:

> This probably isnt the best groups for this, but I havnt had much lucking
> finding this type of radio in the usuall electronic stores. I figured somebody
> in this group might know of a radio like this .....

You're right on both counts Rich.

> Im looking for an AM/FM radio in the $50 range with digital presets. No CD,
> Tape or remote. Just a plain am/fm radio. I want it for work, so anything more
> exspensive and I would be too worried about it getting stolen at night. You
> can get a digitaly tuned walkman, but no am/fm radios. Has anybody seen
> anything like this in the $50 price range.

Try the Radio Shack 12-626.  It costs $39.99 and an AC adapter will
bring it up another $10 or so.  It's an AM/FM portable with a clock
and alarm..

Their 12-1592 is a regular household clock radio that doesn't require
an AC adapter.  It's priced at $49.99.

--
Val Breault [e-mail]          \      /|     ars N8OEF
GM R&D Center - instrumentation dept.  \    / |     pres GM ARC
My opinions are not necessarily those   \  /__|     HF mobile on
of GM R&D or of the GM Corporation.      \/   |___  14.200 +/-


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Looking for a ready-to-use set of Amateur Radio WWW Links?
I've put the latest rev. of ham-www.html at:
http://uhavax.hartford.edu/disk$userdata/faculty/newsvhf/www/ham-www.html
Over 300 Ham-related WWW sites, sorted alphabetically with descriptions !
I'll be updating it periodically. Feel free to write it into your page.
If you'd like instructions/background info with it, look next week at:
ftp://ftp.coast.net/SimTel/win3/hamradio/ham-www2.zip
-73, Ron WZ1V
-email: [e-mail]
-N.E.W.S. Group VHF club URL: http://uhavax.hartford.edu/newsvhf


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From: [e-mail] (aklein)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Antenna Restrictions
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 22:08:18 GMT
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[e-mail] (Steven D. Olson) wrote:

>There's a slight possibility that I might be moving to New Jersey within the
>next year.  Do not know what community, yet.  I am wondering how to easily
>find out what local antenna restrictions there are in any given community when
>beginning to house hunt.

First, I would suggest that you obtain a copy of PRB-1.  Then, you'll
know whether the restriction you're being told about is legal.
(Locally, there's a restriction based on aesthetics.  It's been
successfully fought.)

--
Al Klein - W2PMX



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From: [e-mail] (Clark Savage Turner)
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Subject: Re: Antenna Restrictions
Date: 8 Nov 1995 07:58:39 -0800
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In <47m041$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (aklein) writes:

>[e-mail] (Steven D. Olson) wrote:

>>There's a slight possibility that I might be moving to New Jersey within the
>>next year.  Do not know what community, yet.  I am wondering how to easily
>>find out what local antenna restrictions there are in any given community when
>>beginning to house hunt.

>First, I would suggest that you obtain a copy of PRB-1.  Then, you'll
>know whether the restriction you're being told about is legal.
>(Locally, there's a restriction based on aesthetics.  It's been
>successfully fought.)

Gee-whiz.  This comes up every once in a while.  PRB-1 will NOT tell you
whether the restriction you see is legal or not.  This is wrong.

Interpretations of PRB-1 by YOUR Federal District Court, or better,
by YOUR Federal Circuit Court of Appeals may give you the relevant rules.
Local decisions are just that, local decisions.  If you have a "friendly"
town for amatuers, great, but that does not translate into a broader
legal rule than local friendliness.

PRB-1 is very general, and has been used to strike down ordinances
(never CC&R's mind you) AND has FAILED against ordinances that prohibit
antennas above 30 feet, I believe.  It has been cited in Federal Court for the
proposition that no tower might be reasonable, since wire antennas
can work.

REASONABLE advice: Sure, pick up PRB-1. Get the PRB-1 packet from the
ARRL.  Then read Overbeck, Antennas and the Law, 1994 in June '94
CQ magazine for a realistic overview.

Do these things and you will be able to ask good, solid, intelligent
questions about the situation of the locals, the local towns and the
local ARRL VC's.  You ought to consult them all.

Clark
WA3JPG


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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: Antenna Restrictions
Date: 9 Nov 1995 04:47:07 GMT
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In <47m041$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (aklein) writes:
>[e-mail] (Steven D. Olson) wrote:
>>find out what local antenna restrictions there are in any given community when
>>beginning to house hunt.
>First, I would suggest that you obtain a copy of PRB-1.  Then, you'll

and then read the info in CQ magazine that was published a short while ago
so you'll know the limits PRB-1 has today...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARLB100 Morse requirement stays
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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB100
ARLB100 Morse requirement stays

ZCZC AG67
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 100  ARLB100
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  October 31, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB100
ARLB100 More requirement stays

On October 23, the 1995 World Radiocommunication Conference, WRC-95,
opened in Geneva.  As described in November 1995 QST, page 106, one
of the matters expected to be raised at the conference was a New
Zealand proposal to delete from the radio regulations of the
International Telecommunication Union the requirement that amateurs
demonstrate Morse code ability in order to be licensed to operate
below 30 MHz.

On Tuesday morning, October 31, New Zealand offered its proposal in
Working Party 4C.  While some other administrations expressed
support, most who asked for the floor either opposed the change or
said the time was not right and the issue needed further study
within the amateur community.

Summarizing the discussion, the chairman of the Working Party said
that most comments opposed the proposal and that he would send the
matter to the Working Group of the Plenary, which is responsible for
agendas of future conferences, to consider adding it to a future
agenda in 1997, 1999, or later.  This was acceptable to New Zealand.

WRC-95 is scheduled to complete its work on November 17.  No
conference decision is final until it has been approved in final
form by the Plenary, usually late in the conference.

Amateur Radio is represented at the ITU by the International Amateur
Radio Union.  Present at WRC-95 are IARU president Richard Baldwin,
W1RU, secretary Larry Price, W4RA, and Region 1 vice chairman
Wojciech Nietyksza, SP5FM.  ARRL Technical Relations Manager Paul
Rinaldo, W4RI, is a member of the United States delegation, and
other national delegations also have Amateur Radio representatives.
NNNN
/EX



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From: Stephan Rashkin <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARLB100 Morse requirement stays
Date: 7 Nov 1995 02:36:39 GMT
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>Yes, but you forgot that the ARRL and W5YI would never support
>this, because they'd lose too much money from their sales of
>exam preparation materials. Think of all those code tape,
>question pool answer guides, and video tapes they wouldn't be
>able to sell.
>
>MD


Yes, I also forgot how the Kleenex tissue company would lose money
because the lil darlin's won't be wiping the tears from their eyes...

Steve, WA2NHZ





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From: Stephan Rashkin <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARLB100 Morse requirement stays
Date: 7 Nov 1995 02:27:18 GMT
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I'm talking about the cry babies that complain about how learning a little
morse code has destroyed their lives..

Whine Whine Boo Hoo!!!

Steve, WA2NHZ




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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARLB102 FCC ISSUED CALL SIGN UPDATE
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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB102
ARLB102 FCC ISSUED CALL SIGN UPDATE

ZCZC AG69
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 102  ARLB102
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  November 10, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB102
ARLB102 FCC ISSUED CALL SIGN UPDATE

The following is a list of the FCC's most recently issued call signs
as of November 1.

District       Group A        Group B        Group C        Group D
               Extra          Advanced       Tech/Gen       Novice

0              AA0ZS          KG0ZQ           ++            KB0UJJ
1              AA1OV          KE1DJ          N1WBH          KB1BUW
2              AA2ZG          KG2ER           ++            KB2WEE
3              AA3MX          KE3VD          N3WHT          KB3BLQ
4              AE4NK          KT4FO           ++            KF4EKP
5              AC5FN          KK5UL           ++            KC5RMU
6              AC6QH          KQ6BK           ++            KE6ZIM
7              AB7NA          KJ7SG           ++            KC7NPR
8              AA8UW          KG8UF           ++            KC8BKJ
9              AA9QL          KG9EO           ++            KB9LWZ
N. Mariana     KH0U           AH0AW          KH0EN          WH0ABD
Guam           WH2Q           AH2DA          KH2OV          WH2ANN
Hawaii           ++           AH6OH           ++            WH6CYO
Amer. Samoa    AH8O           AH8AH          KH8CK          WH8ABE
Alaska           ++           AL7QG           ++            WL7CPJ
Virgin         WP2U           KP2CH          NP2IL          WP2AIA
Puerto Rico      ++           KP4ZZ           ++            WP4NEA

++Either all call signs in this group have been used or no new
call signs have been recently issued in this district.
NNNN
/EX


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Subject: ARLP047 Propagation de KT7H
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SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP047
ARLP047 Propagation de KT7H

ZCZC AP16
QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 47  ARLP047
From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA  November 10, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB PROP ARL ARLP047
ARLP047 Propagation de KT7H

Solar activity is unchanged, with very low solar flux and periods of
zero visible sunspots.  Flux values continue to drift around the low
to mid seventies.

The most active geomagnetic period was November 6, when the K index
went to five.  Stormy conditions are expected due to recurring
coronal holes around November 14 to 16, and again from the 27th
through December 2, although not as severe.  November 20 through 25
should be quite stable and quiet.

Sunspot Numbers for November 2 through 8 were 0, 0, 11, 0, 11, 11
and 34, with a mean of 9.6.  10.7 cm flux was 73, 72.6, 73.2, 75.1,
74.8, 73.3 and 76.3, with a mean of 74.

The path projection for this week is to Lesotho, 7P, from Toronto,
Ontario, Jacksonville, Florida and Oklahoma.

From Toronto 80 meters should be open from 2200 to 0330z, 40 meters
from 2100 to 0400 and 30 meters from 2000 to 2200.  Check 20 meters
from 1730 to 2000 and 17 meters from 1500 to 1800.

From Jacksonville check 80 meters from 2230 to 0330z, 40 meters from
2200 to 0400, 30 meters from 2100 to 0300, 20 meters from 1900 to
2200 and 17 meters from 1630 to 2000.  15 meters should be open on
most days from 1430 to 1900.

From Oklahoma check 80 meters from 0000 to 0230z, 40 meters from
2300 to 0330, 30 meters from 2200 to 0100, 20 meters from 1930 to
2300, 17 meters from 1600 to 2100 and 15 meters from 1600 to 1930.
NNNN
/EX


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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARLX068 Pact in alien search
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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX068
ARLX068 Pact in alien search

ZCZC AX38
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 68  ARLX068
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  November 8, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX068
ARLX068 Pact in alien search

The nonprofit SETI (Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence)
League has entered into an agreement with Down East Microwave Inc.
The company, owned by Steve Kostro, N2CEI since 1994, is located in
Frenchtown, New Jersey, and manufactures equipment for amateurs for
6 meters and above.

Under the agreement, according to SETI League Executive Director
Paul Shuch, N6TX, Down East Microwave will produce and market
amplifiers, filters, down-converters, and other receive equipment
designed by SETI League engineers, with profits to be donated to the
SETI League's research fund.

Kostro said that ''radio amateurs are in a unique position to succeed
where government agencies have thus far failed.  SETI is no longer
science fiction, but mainstream science, and Down East Microwave is
pleased to have a role in this important research.''

An article about the search for extraterrestrial intelligence and
the role that radio amateurs can play in it appeared in August 1995
QST on page 37.
NNNN
/EX


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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARRL Lightning Calculator wanted
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 00:22:21 -0500
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Anybody have an old ARRL Lightning calculator that they'd care to sell?

  Thanks,  Mike    N3MA



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From: [e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore~)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can an Advanced get a 1X3 Vanity Callsign?
Date: 7 Nov 1995 20:47:46 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
John W. McClain <[e-mail]> wrote:
>     When the FCC gives the go-ahead,  I would like to request a specific 1X3
>callsign but I don't know if my Advanced ticket allows me to get a 1X3.  Does
>anyone have an answer?

I know tech+'s with a 1x3 and many generals have 1x3 calls so I assume the
answer to your question is yes. I'm going to trade in KG7BK for W6RCA.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


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From: [e-mail] (george)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: code help
Date: 8 Nov 1995 19:04:13 -0500
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Hello all.  After almost 30 years I have decided that it is time
to get back into ham radio.  I will need to learn the code again and
could use some advice.  I am considering getting some code tapes and
am looking for opinions on how useful they are.  I am looking at the
Code Quick tapes by Wheeler Applied Research Lab of Palm Desert
California and would appreciate comments, pro or con, from anyone
who has experience with them.  I would also like to hear of experiences
with other brands.  Other opinions would be gratefully considered.
Thanks in advance for any help.

                             George Stratemeier
                             former WN3KOB









--
======================================================================
An armed society is a polite society.  -Robert Heinlein-


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From: Michael Pleasants <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Code practice software for Mac
Date: 8 Nov 1995 21:57:54 GMT
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Does anyone know where I can get a code practice program for MacIntosh
computer?
..Thanks
                                         KC7JGE




From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:05:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Re: Code practice software for Mac
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:07:42 GMT
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In article <47r952$[e-mail]>, Michael Pleasants
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can get a code practice program for MacIntosh
> computer?
> ..Thanks
>                                          KC7JGE

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From: Avery Russell <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CQ on Repeaters.  Correct?
Date: 10 Nov 1995 22:03:09 GMT
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I don't think anyone if forcing you to use the repeaters.

And what is wrong with the internet? You are using it now aren't you?
Avery






> But I rarely listen to 2m anymore anyway. It's too much like
>the internet.
>
>Ron Miller
>24 years in ham radio - old pharte before age 40
>NW0U




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In <47d81r$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Eric Jacksch) writes:
>
>Hello all!
>
>I'm still looking for schematics for a very simple, single freqency
>crystal controlled 8m cw transmitter and/or receiver.  I have found
>lots of fancy, tunable units, etc...what I need is a very stable,
>one frequency unit.  It's for telemetry - low power is fine!
>
>Email to [e-mail] would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Eric.
I don't remember the years, but the ARRL handbook published a
transmitter they called the Cubic Incher, I would guess about the 1985
timeframe.  It was a cubic inch in size, and I beleive 1 watt output.

Also a very simple single conversion receiver can also be constructed
using a crystal for the LO, greatly simplifying the circuit.  I beleive
a Popular electronics about 5 years ago had the schematics for this.

Sorry I can't be more specific, I made a great sacrifice, We have a
foreign exchange student from Paraguay and ALL of my reference material
is stored for the year along with most of my test gear.

KI5GY  Sparky


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From: [e-mail] (John Seney)
Subject: Re: CW Speed-building on Mac
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In article <47rhht$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(John Minger wrote:
> >
> >Send Check or Money Order - Outside USA Send $40.00
> >All Orders Shipped within 48 Hours!
> >
> >            John D. Seney |_|_|_|_| [e-mail]
>
> Come on John, this is getting a little old.
> I'd welcome the advertising here, but just not quite so
> much and so often.  Maybe you might like to add to the discussions
> that go on here without you.
>
> Just my .02 worth (is that Visa or Mastercard?)
>
> --
> ___________________________________________________________________________
> John A Minger    KE6DTC          Opinions expressed are those of the author
> Los Angeles, CA                  and not those of anyone or anything else.

Hi John:

Maybe you're right. I won't post anything anymore - I'll just send EMAIL
to the specific person that asks the typical question of "where can I
find...."

73,

            John D. Seney |_|_|_|_| [e-mail]
       144 Pepperidge Dr. |_|   |_| www http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v
Manchester, NH 03103-6150 |_|_ _|_| [e-mail]
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      LeCroy Corporation Test & Measurment Sales Engineering
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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
John Seney <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <47rhht$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>(John Minger wrote:

>> >Send Check or Money Order - Outside USA Send $40.00
>> >All Orders Shipped within 48 Hours!

>> >            John D. Seney |_|_|_|_| [e-mail]

>> Come on John, this is getting a little old.
>> I'd welcome the advertising here, but just not quite so
>> much and so often.  Maybe you might like to add to the discussions
>> that go on here without you.

>> Just my .02 worth (is that Visa or Mastercard?)

>> --
>> John A Minger    KE6DTC

>Hi John:

>Maybe you're right. I won't post anything anymore - I'll just send EMAIL
>to the specific person that asks the typical question of "where can I
>find...."

> 73, John D. Seney  [e-mail]

  [above sigs edited to shorten post]

Thanks.
I didn't mean to kill off the whole thing.  I'm a Mac user myself and
always used to read these posts for Mac software.  The only problem was
that I kept seeing the same posting.  Maybe I'm the only one who thought
so, since I haven't yet seen any other responses in the thread.

73,
--
___________________________________________________________________________
John A Minger    KE6DTC          Opinions expressed are those of the author
Los Angeles, CA                  and not those of anyone or anything else.


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From: [e-mail] (Squeak Porray)
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Date: 8 Nov 1995 15:35:48 -0800
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Mike Morris ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Daniel Curry) writes:
: >Gary McDuffie, Sr. ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >: I have a chance to go to Las Vegas next month.  Are there any good "candy
: >: stores" (ham dealers) there?  Anything else to do?  Sorry, no interest in the
: >: gambling scene.

Amateur Electronic Supply
1072 North Rancho Drive
Las Vegas NV 89106
local tel [phone]
tollfree  800 634 6227
fax       [phone]

Located approximately 3 blocks north of the US-95 Expressway, just north
of Washington Avenue, on Rancho Drive. Approximately 1 1/2 miles,
airline, from downtown Las Vegas

Enjoy your trip, and your stay in Las Vegas - hope to see ou while you
are here!

73,

"Squeak" Porray, AD7K
Manager, Amateur Electronic Supply/Las Vegas



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: If I might be allowed to complain for a moment...
: Somebody asks about a RTTY/WEFAX/CW SoundBlaster decoder every few
: months.  And everytime the question gets asked, somebody answers that
: there is a program at SIMTEL called "WXMAN".  Well, I'm here to tell you
: right now that there IS NO program at SIMTEL called WXMAN.  And it isn't

: So, can anyone out tell us where WXMAN is?  If not, does anyone know of a


   I can't tell you where to find WXMAN in the internet, but it does
 appear in two of my shareware CD-Roms as WXMAN20.ZIP. The description
 indicates that it is for receiving weather maps.

   The CD-Roms are:

      So Much Shareware /5   (Power User Software, Inc.
                              P.O. Box 89, Erie, Pa.  16512)

      Shareware Studio IV    (Data Express, Inc.
                              11030 NW 26th Place, Sunrise, FL 33322)

  I hope this helps some.

            JY



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Subject: Disney World Repeater PL ?
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Disney World Repeater PL ?

11-10-95

I am making a trip down to Disney World and would like to know if the
repeaters down there require PL.  I am only aware of two repeaters in the
area  147.3  and 442.0    I would appreciate it if some one could tell me
if a PL tone is required. Also if I would be interested in the coverage of
these repeaters though out the park. I am planning to bring down a couple
of HTs.

Thanks,  Dale

E-Mail [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Simpson)
Subject: DON'T TRUST THAT GPS RECEIVER
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This weekend I had a sobering experience with my (relatively new)
Magellan Trailblazer XL.  Using map and compass, I hiked to a known
location, a hilltop about a quarter mile from my camp, elevation just
under 900 feet.  At the top of the hill, I got out the GPS and
prepared to store the hilltop location as a waypoint.  After locking
onto 5 satellites, the unit proceeded to tell me authoritatively that
I was about 7 km southwest of my actual location, and that I was
around 15,000 feet above sea level to boot!

I powered it down and back up, and after the usual annoying
under-the-trees delay, the unit locked on 5 satellites again - and
told me that I was about 1.5 km east of my actual location, and
that my elevation was now just over 14,000 feet.  Additional tries
with the unit reporting 4 and 5 satellites locked yielded similar
(though varying) results.

The "unreliable data" indicator was not on, and there was no other
indication that the unit had any clue that it was, well, clueless.  I
bagged it and proceeded with my hike to another hilltop a couple of km
away by map and compass, stopping in a clearcut area along the way to
try the receiver again without trees overhead, with roughly the same
results (and still over 14,000').

Back to the factory it goes.

Saturday night about an hour after dark two deer hunters with bows,
flashlights, a GPS receiver, and nothing much else but light clothing
came through my camp on the way back to theirs, navigating solely by
GPS.  They could have been in a pretty fix had they experienced a
failure on the scale of the one I had; temperatures fell into the
twenties that night.

This really underscores the fact that a GPS receiver should not be
solely relied upon for backcountry navigation; like any other device
it can fail, and in some situations you'd better darned well (a) have
backup navigation means, and (b) know or be able to determine where
you are.

So, in short, take that GPS unit with you, but don't forget the
compass and map, and the skill to use them.

  -joe



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From: [e-mail] (Drew R. McGhee)
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Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THAT GPS RECEIVER
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Simpson) writes:

>This weekend I had a sobering experience with my (relatively new)
>Magellan Trailblazer XL.  Using map and compass, I hiked to a known
>location, a hilltop about a quarter mile from my camp, elevation just
>under 900 feet.  At the top of the hill, I got out the GPS and
>prepared to store the hilltop location as a waypoint.  After locking
>onto 5 satellites, the unit proceeded to tell me authoritatively that
>I was about 7 km southwest of my actual location, and that I was
>around 15,000 feet above sea level to boot!

Stuff deleted

>The "unreliable data" indicator was not on, and there was no other
>indication that the unit had any clue that it was, well, clueless.  I
>bagged it and proceeded with my hike to another hilltop a couple of km
>away by map and compass, stopping in a clearcut area along the way to
>try the receiver again without trees overhead, with roughly the same
>results (and still over 14,000').

The rest deleted

Greetings to Joe and the group,

Last year, a faculty member here got a GPS unit (sorry forgot model and
brand) to assist in his research. He couldn't get it to work right. He brought
it to me to take a look at it. I took it home to play with it for the
weekend. He was going to send it back because he thought something was wrong
with it. It would take forever (15 to 20 minutes) to give a location and then
it was wrong. I read the instructions to make sure I was using it correctly,
which I was. I assumed it was initialised correctly. It was not. He had
accidently put in somewhere in the southern hemisphere. Once this was changed,
it worked correctly. Just a thought.

Drew R. McGhee
Altoona, PA






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[e-mail] (Joe Simpson) wrote:


>So, in short, take that GPS unit with you, but don't forget the
>compass and map, and the skill to use them.

>  -joe

BTW, compasses are usually wrong 40-50% of the time. Never trust your
compass either.
From my desk to yours.



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>[e-mail] writes:
>>[e-mail] (Joe Simpson) wrote:
>>
>>So, in short, take that GPS unit with you, but don't forget the
>>compass and map, and the skill to use them.
>
>BTW, compasses are usually wrong 40-50% of the time. Never trust your
>compass either.

Yea, but you can calibrate your compass every sun-up and sun-down.
I did about four 5 mile hikes in survival school, and with triangulation,
the compass and map is all the technology you need to navigate.
Hikers don't need altitude, and the latitude and longitude are about as
useful as...  well, you know what they say :-)

The compass error (due to magnetic disturbances, etc) is easily
recognized about the second time you triangulate.




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[e-mail] (Drew R. McGhee) wrote:

>Last year, a faculty member here got a GPS unit (sorry forgot model and
>brand) to assist in his research. He couldn't get it to work right. He brought
>it to me to take a look at it. I took it home to play with it for the
>weekend. He was going to send it back because he thought something was wrong
>with it. It would take forever (15 to 20 minutes) to give a location and then
>it was wrong. I read the instructions to make sure I was using it correctly,
>which I was. I assumed it was initialised correctly. It was not. He had
>accidently put in somewhere in the southern hemisphere. Once this was changed,
>it worked correctly. Just a thought.

Well, it was at one time initialized correctly, and for several months
has been giving "correct" (i.e., believable) readings.  I suppose it
could have lost its initialization data.  I haven't shipped it back
yet, so I'll try reinitializing it first and see what happens.  Even
if this is the culprit, it's still a failure mode - there's no
indication that the initialization was lost or the unit realizes
anything is wrong.

In reply to the party who pointed out that compasses are "wrong"
40-50% of the time: that may be, but I've never seen one as far off
as this GPS was...

  -joe



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From: [e-mail] (Cliff Frescura K3LL)
Subject: Re: Dumb and dumber
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Yea, like - I'm leaving the room and and turning off the lights.

You are through with the repeater about 20 seconds after you stop
transmitting.  The same people that say "clear and listening" or "nothing
heard" are the same lids that will plop down on the frequency and start
transmitting without listening for 30 seconds (see above).

I think these people just like to hear their callsigns or like to transmit.

Funny thing too- I've heard the "nothing heard" transmissions DOUBLE with the
person they were originally calling!!

-Cliff K3LL

A jaded repeater trustee


Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Linley F Gumm <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >When using a repeater to call someone who does not answer, I often
: >come back and say "nothing heard" as a way of saying that I have given
: >up and the repeater is now free.
: >
: >I appreciate it when others say something to indicate that they are through
: >with the repeater.

: Do you say to your family, "no answer" when you call someone on the phone
: so they know the phone is free?
: Why do hams persist is using 10,000 words when none will suffice?


: #================#=====================================================#
: |  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
: | Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
: |    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
: #================#=====================================================#
: | [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
: #======================================================================#


--

+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|[e-mail]                      K3LL @ W3UDX.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM |
| [e-mail]                      "Adapt, Migrate, or Die."     |


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From: [e-mail] (Michael Schwarz)
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Subject: Re: Dumb and dumber
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Greg Pool ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Peter Coffee AC6EN <[e-mail]> wrote:

: >A useful way of letting the called station know, for example, that
: >its attempt to answer was not heard because its transceiver was in
: >simplex mode, or because its transmit power was not sufficient.
: >There are plenty of times when you can hear the repeater but it can't
: >hear you.  "Nothing heard" isn't meant for the ears of everyone else
: >on the repeater; it's meant to let the called station know that if
: >it's trying to answer, it needs to try something different.

Forgive me if I'm being dense, but don't most repeaters use the
"courtesy beep?"  Every single one I've used on VHF and UHF
in the Minneapolis area does.  Even if it does not, don't most
hold the output transmitter up for a brief period after the input
COR drops?  I've always known when I've failed to bring up
the repeater.  Is this just parochial ignorance on my part or
are "beep-less" repeaters common outside my metro area?

Just curious...

73s DE N0ZES
Mike



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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Gardner)
Subject: Re: Dumb and dumber
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Cliff Frescura K3LL ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Yea, like - I'm leaving the room and and turning off the lights.

: You are through with the repeater about 20 seconds after you stop
: transmitting.  The same people that say "clear and listening" or "nothing
: heard" are the same lids that will plop down on the frequency and start
: transmitting without listening for 30 seconds (see above).

: I think these people just like to hear their callsigns or like to transmit.

: Funny thing too- I've heard the "nothing heard" transmissions DOUBLE with the
: person they were originally calling!!

: -Cliff K3LL

: A jaded repeater trustee

Here are the ones that get to me:

1) "W6XYZ for ID". Why else do you use your call if not for ID?
2) "I'll be clear on your final". So what?
3) Nonsense words like "destinated".
4) Slang borrowed from CB: "My personal is Joe."
5) Use of the CW laugh, "hi hi", on voice modes.
6) 73's. 73 means "best regards". What does 73's mean? Best regardses?
7) Excessive use of "we" and "our" instead of "I" and "my".
8) Excessive use of the third-person: "The rig here is an ionsmasher 1000".
9) Excessive use of phonetics on repeaters when signals are full-quieting.
10) Excessive use of "cute" phonetics.


--
Jerry Gardner          | Maintainer of the Large Format Digest
[e-mail]    | Send subscription requests to [e-mail]


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[e-mail] (Jerry Gardner) wrote:

>This is the dumbest rationalization I've ever heard! I think the fact
>that the calling station didn't respond to my reply would be ample
>evidence that he wasn't hearing me.

Please stop it.
Hams do not understand common sense.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
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From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:06:17 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Dumb and dumber
Date: 10 Nov 1995 11:49:48 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jerry Gardner) wrote:

>This is the dumbest rationalization I've ever heard! I think the fact
>that the calling station didn't respond to my reply would be ample
>evidence that he wasn't hearing me.

Please stop it.
Hams do not understand common sense.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




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From: [e-mail] (Gary McDuffie, Sr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Dumb and dumber
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:17:51 GMT
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On 9 Nov 1995 20:48:27 GMT, [e-mail] (Michael Schwarz) wrote:


>Is this just parochial ignorance on my part or
>are "beep-less" repeaters common outside my metro area?


Yes, quite common.  Although, with the lower cost controllers around, there
are more and more smaller (rural) areas adding one to their repeater.  Many
people see them as too "flashy".
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Smart)
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 >that also is a microphone?

 >Barry KB6CV

 Br> I've had one of those.  They work great and also have a good audio
 Br> quaility in the mic.  If you have a use for one I would recomend it.
 Br> I bought mine used and don't know where a new one could be obtained.

I'm not sure where to get one either, but wouldn't you get a lot of
strange looks walking down the street, appearing to be talking to nobody?
Depending on your neighborhood, I guess this could be seen as normal
behavior, but I sure wouldn't do it.


73
Chris.

.. 73, VE3 SHT.  19 years old, and licensed since June 15, 1987!
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12


PGP 2.6 public key available upon request!



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From: [e-mail] (Bill Hindin)
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Chris Smart ([e-mail]) wrote:
:  >that also is a microphone?

:  >Barry KB6CV

:  Br> I've had one of those.  They work great and also have a good audio
:  Br> quaility in the mic.  If you have a use for one I would recomend it.
:  Br> I bought mine used and don't know where a new one could be obtained.

: I'm not sure where to get one either, but wouldn't you get a lot of
: strange looks walking down the street, appearing to be talking to nobody?
: Depending on your neighborhood, I guess this could be seen as normal
: behavior, but I sure wouldn't do it.


: 73
: Chris.

: .. 73, VE3 SHT.  19 years old, and licensed since June 15, 1987!
: ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

Barry/Chris:

: I have seen this unit (or one like it)  on sale at AES in Milwaukee
: recently. It was quite expensive, about $80.

: BILL
--
BILL HINDIN (AA2TF)

INTERNET: [e-mail]

VOICE: [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (James Dean)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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A company called MCM electronics sells two models, 1 for Kenwood, and 1
for most others.  A lot of electronics stores get their catalog.

I paid about $50.00 for mine and it works fine.



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[e-mail] wrote:
>
>SB DX @ ARL $ARLD057
>ARLD057 DX news
>
>ZCZC AE33
>QST de W1AW
>DX Bulletin 57  ARLD057
>From ARRL Headquarters
>Newington CT  November 9, 1995
>To all radio amateurs
>
>SB DX ARL ARLD057
>ARLD057 DX news





#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




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Let the Jihad commence!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tim!   "the best defense is a good offense, and a mobile one too!"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
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Subject: Re: Femdom In Search of Naughty Boys
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[e-mail] (Richard Iliffe) wrote:

[snip in consideration of bandwidth]

And if you need a 55mm Wouff Hong gunner, I'm available.

Jim



Jim Weir VP Engineering  | "We seem to be standing on
RST Engineering          |  the foreskin of technology."
Grass Valley CA 95945    | (Gen Chuck Yeager)
voice/fax [phone]   |
[e-mail]  AR Adv WB6BHI  CFI A&G/Comml Inst A&G/A&P/C-182A N73CQ



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From: [e-mail] (Ken Rea)
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Subject: For Sale:  IFR 500A Communications Service Monitor
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For Sale: IFR 500A Communications Service Monitor.
Very nice shape, has only one owner - me. Not used for business. Has
optional TCXO. Comes with all manuals and carrying case.

This is a nice piece of equipment that is also small and light. Great for
in field use. Price $4000.00

If serious please give me a call, I'm in Portland, Oregon.

Ken Rea
[phone]



--
[e-mail]


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Is there a location on the net that one can download a form 610?
I need to submit a change of address and have no idea where to
get a form in my new location.

Thanks
/john
wb5oau/4

PS: Barring that... who else has them? The Federal Radio Relay League?



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From: [e-mail] (shatter)
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Subject: Re: Form 610 on line?
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[e-mail] wrote:
: Is there a location on the net that one can download a form 610?
: I need to submit a change of address and have no idea where to
: get a form in my new location.

: Thanks
: /john
: wb5oau/4

: PS: Barring that... who else has them? The Federal Radio Relay League?

I remember seeing a copy of the 610 form in postscript format
somewhere... I was able to get extra copies of it by calling the FCC fax
on demand line at 202-418-0177 and request form "000610"

Remember you must be using a fax machine or a fax modem to receive this
document and it must be printed in the same orangish color as the
original forms.

Chad



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From: [e-mail] (John Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Form 610 on line?
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On Tue, 07 Nov 1995 02:42:22 GMT [e-mail] wrote:

>Is there a location on the net that one can download a form 610?
>I need to submit a change of address and have no idea where to
>get a form in my new location.

>Thanks
>/john
>wb5oau/4

I've received the forms from the FCC via snail-mail from an e-mail request.
Send your request to [e-mail], Include your new mailing address and
what you want, and it'll be in your (postal)mailbox in 2 or 3 days.

John, N8CID


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From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:06:28 1995
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From: John Mullan <jmullan>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Form 610 on line?
Date: 7 Nov 1995 20:47:56 GMT
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[e-mail] (shatter) wrote:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>: Is there a location on the net that one can download a form 610?
>: I need to submit a change of address and have no idea where to
>: get a form in my new location.
>
>: Thanks
>: /john
>: wb5oau/4
>
>: PS: Barring that... who else has them? The Federal Radio Relay League?
>
>I remember seeing a copy of the 610 form in postscript format
>somewhere... I was able to get extra copies of it by calling the FCC fax
>on demand line at 202-418-0177 and request form "000610"
>
>Remember you must be using a fax machine or a fax modem to receive this
>document and it must be printed in the same orangish color as the
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>original forms.
>
>Chad
>
No longer true. I recently got a 610 via fax, and since it was not on thermal
paper, filled it in, mailed it in, and it was accepted no problem. All they ask
is that if you receive on thermal fax paper - noticeable by its shiny surface -
that you copy it onto regular paper before filling and filing.

73 de KD2LQ



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From: [e-mail] (charles copeland)
Subject: Re: Form 610 on line?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <47oftv$[e-mail]>,
John Wagner <[e-mail]> wrote:
>On Tue, 07 Nov 1995 02:42:22 GMT [e-mail] wrote:
>
>>Is there a location on the net that one can download a form 610?
>>I need to submit a change of address and have no idea where to
>>get a form in my new location.
>
>>Thanks
>>/john
>>wb5oau/4
>
>I've received the forms from the FCC via snail-mail from an e-mail request.
>Send your request to [e-mail], Include your new mailing address and
>what you want, and it'll be in your (postal)mailbox in 2 or 3 days.
>

All Radio Shack Ham books have the 610 form in the back,
but it will cost you $6 for the book.



From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:06:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Stockton)
Subject: Re: GM4ZNX and High level mixers
Sender: [e-mail] (SQF News Admin)
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  Yes, I had fun with that receiver project. I may have that QST,
somewhere, I'll dig it out tonight. Regards passed to Hugh  (Sometimes
referred to as "wee Shuggie" - a sort of Scots vernacular wind-up as he's
of a rather tall/thin aspect ratio).


   Pat Hawker mentioned that Horrabin had patented the grounded-source
passive DMOS fet mixer.  Does anyone know the number?


    Cheers
            David  GM4ZNX


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Everything and anything about AMATEUR RADIO will be found here,
IF NOT ? Let me know and we will post it and file it !!!!!!!!


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[e-mail] (Jay Huldeen) wrote:
>
>people do when working pileups on 20m.  For the record, I always
>disagree with Burt and his comments.                      ^^^^^^
>^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^
>--
>Jay Huldeen, N0FSB
>[e-mail]

I think you are mature and very intelligent and women find you attractive.



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| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
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From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:06:33 1995
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From: Greg Pool <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Hams that have had sex.
Date: 7 Nov 1995 17:15:20 GMT
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>When either ham radio becomes interesting or they care about their
>spouses. A voyeur would have a great time with the wives of hams as those
>poor women are so left alone.

Which means if we keep answering this USENET voyeur, and he keeps feeling
the need to answer, _his_ wife will leave him!

So make sure to carbon your comments to [e-mail]!



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From: Barry Mercer <[e-mail]>
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I need the instructions for setting up a heath kit 1212 digital
voltmeter.  I'll happily pay for copying and mail costs.
B. Mercer VE3ZLB. Sudbury,Ont Ca.




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Subject: Help with FCC Phone Number.
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Can someone tell me the 800 number for the FCC?  You know, the one to find out
your newly assigned license number.  THANKS.--
_______________________________________________________________________________
John Robert Schutt                         /\         [e-mail]
Taylor University- Fort Wayne             //\\        [phone]
1025 W. Rudisill Blvd.                   ///\\\       FAX: [phone]
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From: [e-mail] (Cliff Segar)
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[e-mail] (Dr. John Robert Schutt) wrote:
>Can someone tell me the 800 number for the FCC?  You know, the one to find out
>your newly assigned license number.  THANKS.--
>John Robert Schutt                         /\         [e-mail]
FCC: 800-322-1117
Be prepared to wait on hold with strange messages for a while. It
tells you how many others are on hold to give you an idea of the
lenght of time you will be waiting. Be advised though that this number
in NOT only for 'hams-in-waiting' as you will figgure out soon enough.
I found the folks very plesant (especially for a govt agency!) and
professional. It will take about 5~7 working days from your test date
if your VEC is as fast as mine!

73 de KF4DZV




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Can someone please post some new, constructive info on the 706.
Some people say it's great, some say it isn't.
And some say nothing, of course.
If anyone is in a position to inform me on this matter,
please do so, paying particular attention to the HF performance
out of band.

Cheers, all.

Matt.

PS If I do not hear anything soon, I'm going to buy it anyway, so
please reassure me that I will be doing the right thing. Post now!
HHHHHHHHEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!


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From: [e-mail] (John Wagner)
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On 9 Nov 1995 13:15:47 GMT [e-mail] ()
wrote:

>>After reading the ARRL Operating Manual, I've become interested in the
>>VHF/UHF bands.  I'm probably not the "rag-chewer" type, so I'm interested
>>in SSB/CW operations.

>Welcome to this great field of amateur radio.

>>Which equipment would get me started?

>For VHF/ UHF work you need 3 ingredients, in order of their importance:

>1) a good location: A small yagi on a hill top works better than the biggest
>array in a valley.

>2) a good antenna: a 10 element yagi is fine, not only to get started but
>for general work.

>3) a radio: well, obviouisly.

>>Example:  A local (Seattle) shop has a Yaesu FT-290 (I thinks
>>that is the correct model) 2 meter multi-mode for $375.

>The current model is the FT290-RII, with the detachable battery pack
>(can be replaced by a linear). It is a *lousy* radio, but still one of the
>best buys to get started. Do however not use it with a 100 + watt linear,
>the TX signal is not very clean and you will be heard on the entire band.
>I am currently using mine to operate 6m and 23 cm transverters,
>and I am quite happy with it.

>There are many articles and mods available, e.g. in packet mail boxes.

>>How old is it? It came out around 1986

>73, Moritz DL5UH


Moritz hit it on the head on the 1,2,3 approach.

On the FT-290, I don't know about lousy, but you get what you pay for.
Considering its age and size, its not too bad of a radio.  I recommend a
pre-amp, a small power amp or combo.  I agree with Moritz, that I wouldn't
plug it into a 100+ watt unit.  That price isn't terrible, but isn't great
either.  The new version of the radio (FT-290RII) runs about $650 - $675
street price, and INCLUDES a detachable 25 watt linear amp for the price.

I've got a FT-290R (VHF) and the newer FT-790RII (UHF), and have had pretty
good luck with both.  I use the pair for OSCAR work on AO-10, AO-13, and
FO-20.  My setup is pretty average (or below) for an Oscar station, and I
can hear and work anything and everything my friend across town can with
his $1800 FT-760 and better antennas.

For reference, I'm using:
UHF:
Cushcraft 38 ele 432 MHz cross yagi
no pre amp
no power amp (790RII has 25 watt output)

VHF:
Homebrew 14 ele 144 MHz cross yagi
el-cheapo 15db gain bipolar noisy pre-amp
Mirage 30 watt power amp

Good luck!


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From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:06:39 1995
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*NEW* Amateur Radio Link BBS @ 401-885-3074
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Distribution, & 2000 files available Online!

--
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[e-mail]
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From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:06:41 1995
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From: Kelly Qualls <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How accurate is GPS?
Date: 8 Nov 1995 19:33:02 GMT
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>The balloon flights which I have worked use a GPS system which can be
>off by that much in any direction.  To get accuracy with a non-military
>GPS, you have to get repeated readings without moving the GPS.
>If you have a fixed platform, no problem.  If you use the GPS in an
>airborne device (airplane, balloon) lots of luck.


I've heard that some GPS units won't work at higher altitudes
(above 60,000 MSL, or somewhere in that neighborhood).  By "won't work",
I'm assuming won't give altitude readings, but will give latitude &
longitude readings.  Read that a while back on a balloon web page.
Sorry, don't remember the URL address.  Won't be a problem unless you're
planning a balloon launch, or own one heck of a plane for private use! :)

73,

Kelly Qualls, KC5DEN
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: How accurate is GPS?
Date: 9 Nov 1995 04:51:35 GMT
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In <47r0lf$[e-mail]>, Kelly Qualls <[e-mail]> writes:
>I've heard that some GPS units won't work at higher altitudes
>(above 60,000 MSL, or somewhere in that neighborhood).  By "won't work",

you have it correct. prevents use of a "consumer" product in a ne'er-do-well's
ICBM...there's also rate of change limits as well.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:06:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: How accurate is GPS?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <47tq1p$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael Schwarz) writes:
>I'm just injecting into this thread with a question...
>
>I understand why GPS is potentially dangerous, but at this point why
>not just take the inaccuracy out for normal "peacetime" applications?
>It seems to me that the maximum altitude descriptions and the maximum
>update rate are sufficient for the putative "homebrew ICBM" problem
>while the government's ability to totally shut down the system ought
>to deal with some expeditionary force landing artillery on the New
>Jersey coast.  At this point (and I'm asking because I'm certainly
>no expert, I'm not even an ignoramus!) doesn't it make sense to just
>throw it wide open (within the above limits) so Joe average can
>get down to the inch?

Even if they turn SA off, and my house is wandering in a 397 foot
circle this morning due to SA, the accuracy of civilian receivers
is still not down to the inch. The best I saw during Desert Storm,
when they did turn SA off so the military could use civilian receivers
(they didn't have enough military receivers and had to turn to the
civilian market), was a circle 114 feet in diameter. To get better
accuracy than that, a military receiver operates on two different
frequencies. That allows compensation for variances in the ionosphere
which represent the residual error after SA is off. Using both
frequencies, the error circle drops to about 60 feet. To get
better than that, there are two other methods. One operates
directly on received carrier phase, using a time difference of
arrival method. And the other method depends on a error delta
from a benchmark receiver, which is what differential GPS is
about. Using this latter method, errors can be reduced down
into the centimeter range for stationary or slowly moving
receivers *even if SA is on*.

So with the system of differential benchmark receivers and
transmitters being installed by the Coast Guard and the FAA,
we can get better accuracy with civilian receivers than the
military can get with their precision receivers. Just turning
off SA wouldn't do that for us. If you use a differential GPS
equipped receiver, you don't really care about SA anymore.
It would be nice if the military turned off SA, but it wouldn't
give us the accuracy we can get with differential systems,
even with SA on.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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From: [e-mail] (K5QQ)
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Subject: Re: How to fix intermod?
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You might notice if it always sounds like a pager or some other such tone
is one of the intermod signals.  Your HT will  be more suceptible (sp?)
than other radios as they are usually run with a much higher gain in order
to hear signals with their small antennas.  When you hook them to the
outside antenna is when you run into problems..

In Albuquerque we have some paging transmitters in the 152 MHZ band that
are running over 1000 watts and they cause a lot of trouble for lots of
folks.  I just bought a PAR electronics filter which is a notch filter and
it works GREAT!!

Might check them out in QST and if your intermod is from pagers, I know
that will fix a lot of your problems.

Adios
Jim

[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
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Jeff Wigal <[e-mail]> writes:

>When I travel through some areas of Seattle, my radio is bombarded with
>intermod interference (at least that's what I think it is)...

Most of the amateur equipment is made to sell features, not quality.  By that
I mean, the receiver isn't as important as the total bandwidth or beeps and
whistles.  If you buy a radio designed to receive in 30 MHz bandwidth, don't
be surprised if it can't resolve down to 25 kHz.

My Master II radio never got intermod.  But it wasn't designed to receive the
whole spectrum, just a part of it.

Tucker Electronics 1-800-559-7388 sells a product called Tucker TF-144 for
$59 + shipping.  It's an inline filter, good for up to 50 Watts.  On receive it
switches in a filter for only the Ham band.  I don't have one, just offering a
solution you can investigate.  Anything with a helical filter would be an
improvement.



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From: [e-mail] (Albert S Woodhull)
Subject: Re: HT storage in car?
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On 6 Nov 1995 17:32:23 GMT Christopher K Greenhalgh
([e-mail]) wrote in rec.radio.amateur.misc:

: I have an extra 2m HT which I would like to keep in our 3rd car. Will it
: hurt the radio and/or battery being subjected to freezing wheather? (In
: Columbus, Ohio...it can get down to 0 degrees F.)

I think NiCd batteries can survive 0 degrees. But, LCD displays can be
damaged by cold. Black blotches form that may obscure parts of the
display. Sometimes the blotches will shrink or even disappear when the
rig is warmed up again, but the damage can be permanent.

I don't know what the critical temperature is. I had it happen to one
rig left out in a cold vehicle overnight in winter -- it was probably
down to zero or below. I was surprised to have it happen to a
handi-talky left on the floor of the rear seat of a well-heated
vehicle during a long trip last winter. We were out of the car for
a couple of short stops and a visit that might have been an hour or
so, but no more.

--
Albert S. Woodhull, Hampshire College, Amherst, MA
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
413-549-2962



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In article <[e-mail]>,
Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
> In article <47lgr7$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh) writes:
> >I have a question.

> >I have an extra 2m HT which I would like to keep in our 3rd car. Will it
> >hurt the radio and/or battery being subjected to freezing wheather? (In
...
> >a bit before operation, but my concern is mostly the Ni-Cad in the HT.

...
> You should still top the charge off at least once a month if you
> aren't regularly using the radio but want it to be ready for use.

If it's being stored for emergency use, wouldn't it be better to store it
empty, with an appropriate number of alkaline cells?  (I'm assuming the
spare HT doesn't need contiuous battery drain to keep any memory it
might have, whether by being rockbound, dial-synth, or EEPROM.
I am most definitely assuming having the adapter for disposable batteries if
it didn't come with one; I've got one on order.)

--
Bill Ricker, The Swamp-Castle Press    "The freedom of the press belongs
[e-mail]      N1VUX            to those who own one."--A.J.Lieberman


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: HT storage in car?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> In article <47lgr7$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh) writes:
>> >I have an extra 2m HT which I would like to keep in our 3rd car. Will it
>> >hurt the radio and/or battery being subjected to freezing wheather? (In
>...
>> >a bit before operation, but my concern is mostly the Ni-Cad in the HT.
>
>...
>> You should still top the charge off at least once a month if you
>> aren't regularly using the radio but want it to be ready for use.
>
>If it's being stored for emergency use, wouldn't it be better to store it
>empty, with an appropriate number of alkaline cells?  (I'm assuming the
>spare HT doesn't need contiuous battery drain to keep any memory it
>might have, whether by being rockbound, dial-synth, or EEPROM.
>I am most definitely assuming having the adapter for disposable batteries if
>it didn't come with one; I've got one on order.)

Yeah, disposable batteries, preferrably lithium cells, have the longest
shelf life, and they pack more energy than NiCads too. You should always
have a set or two around for use in emergencies. But you already have
the NiCad pack, and you might as well get some use out of it too. By
topping the charge at least once a month, you can keep it ready to go
too. The chemicals *are* being consumed, even with this maintenance
charge, however, and you're wearing the cells out to little purpose.
(No chemical reaction is *perfectly* reversable, so the more you
cycle a NiCad, the quicker it will wear out.) My suggestion is to use
NiCads in daily use radios, and keep disposable cells with long shelf
lives around for emergency use.

Gary
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From: [e-mail] ()
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Subject: Re: HTX 202 good, bad or indifferent
Date: 6 Nov 1995 23:12:00 GMT
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Dave van De Kerk ([e-mail]) wrote:
: > Date: 28 Oct 1995 00:20:07 GMT
: > From: [e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel)
: > Subject: Radio Shack HT-deaf
: >
: >
: > All I read about is one problem after another when it comes to the RS
: > HTs.  Sure some of them work, but I think the percentage of problem
: > radios is way above the norm.
: >
: I have two, and have thoroughly abused one.  They keep on
: working.

: >
: > I would not put it past some people to claim how good these RS radios
: > are after they bought them, even though they are having problems with
: > them.  Heck, I am sure the majority of hams that buy that junk don't
: > want to admit they got ripped off.
: >
: > Duffy

: Statistically, when someone is satisfied with a product they tell
: three people.  When they are dissatisdied, they tell nine.  It
: has been my impression that there are a lot more ardent HTX 202
: supporters verses detractors.

: Rather than making blanket statements, why don't we conduct a
: scientific poll.  We could have all HTX 202 users on this list
: mail me and report their satisfaction, on the following scale

: 1 = ripoff junk, never buy another
: 2 = dissatisfied
: 3 = mediocre, might buy one and might not
: 4 = reasonably satisfied, would condider buying another
: 5 = most wonderful 2 meter handheld ever conceived

: Also, please list number of units owned and number of years
: owned.  If you have more than one rig, please feel free to
: rate them individually.
:  ===============================================
:  This message does not constitute any official or unofficial statement or
:  policy of American Turnkey or any other organization, corporation or
:  institution.
:  -----------------
:  David P. van De Kerk             Manager, Systems Integration
:  American Turnkey                 Santa Ana, CA USA
:  714-557-9050 voice               714-557-9056 FAX   [e-mail]
:  KE6GXD

I would give the 202 a 4, it is the only handheld I've ever used however
so I'm not to sure how good it is compared to other units. But I would
like to add that it is DEFINATLY the best bang for your buck.

--
73 & ttyl     Morgan Patterson
       \\///  Internet: [e-mail]
       (o o)  Ham Radio: VE6MRP
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From: Jason Reighard <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HTX 202 good, bad or indifferent
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Stephen G. Roseman <[e-mail]> writes:

>       Anyone have an idea how often it goes on sale?  I just got my ticket,
>and didn't know about it last month.  I don't want to wait 6 months or more
>to get an HT.  I may have to get one of those off-brands (Kenwood, ICOM, or
>Yaesu...)
>
>Steve, N3WHW

Don't make the same mistake I did when I first got my ticket. Save up some
more money and get a good radio, remember you do get what you pay for. Or
get the service contract you'll need it , min has been in the shop so many
times ,it's ridicous! I had to go buy another radiio, a YAESU because
my 202 was never here for me to use. Like I said pay the extra money for
a good rig.....
Jason
KB8SFC


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From: [e-mail] (David Horak)
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Subject: Re: HTX 202 good, bad or indifferent
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dave van De Kerk) writes:

>1 = ripoff junk, never buy another
>2 = dissatisfied
>3 = mediocre, might buy one and might not
>4 = reasonably satisfied, would condider buying another
>5 = most wonderful 2 meter handheld ever conceived

I rate my HTX-202 a 4. I've had it for 2 years and am very pleased with it.

David


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From: [e-mail] (Nathan Ryan Gingras)
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Subject: Re: HTX 202 good, bad or indifferent
Date: 8 Nov 1995 15:09:38 GMT
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Jason Reighard ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Stephen G. Roseman <[e-mail]> writes:
:
: >     Anyone have an idea how often it goes on sale?  I just got my ticket,
: >and didn't know about it last month.  I don't want to wait 6 months or more
: >to get an HT.  I may have to get one of those off-brands (Kenwood, ICOM, or
: >Yaesu...)
: >
: >Steve, N3WHW
:
: Don't make the same mistake I did when I first got my ticket. Save up some
: more money and get a good radio, remember you do get what you pay for. Or
: get the service contract you'll need it , min has been in the shop so many
: times ,it's ridicous! I had to go buy another radiio, a YAESU because
: my 202 was never here for me to use. Like I said pay the extra money for
: a good rig.....
: Jason
: KB8SFC

Steve,

I'd say go for the HTX-202. You're paying less, but getting a more solid
radio. The thing is Intermod-less, and can take a beating. I would highly
reccomend it, and if you are really worried about it not working, get the
TSP. As far as I can tell, though, there have been more satisfied HTX-202
owners than dissatisfied ones. (I had a Kenwood TH78a, and an Alinco
DJ580t; i like the HTX-202 far better.)

That's my bit of input....

Nate, KB9LSX

PS: Congratulations on getting your ticket....




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From: [e-mail] (Peter Laws)
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Subject: Re: HTX 202 good, bad or indifferent
Date: 8 Nov 1995 22:34:59 GMT
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Jason Reighard <[e-mail]> writes:

>Don't make the same mistake I did when I first got my ticket. Save up some

I've had a '202 since 1992.  Except for buggy firmware (RS eventually
gave me a new radio), mine has worked well since.  At least 4 people in
our club have them and report similar results (only one had to have his
replaced).

Beware those on the 'net that will bash RS no matter what!  :-) (not that
they don't sometimes deserve it, it's just that the '202 is a fine piece
of equipment.  YMMV.)

Peter Laws<[e-mail]>| "Daddy done shot up th'merica Online ag'in!"
n5uwy@ka5bml.#nwar.ar.usa.noam |<A HREF="http://comp.uark.edu/~plaws/">geek</A>

     All original portions of this posting are Copyright 1995, Peter Laws


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        I would rate the HTX 202 at a 4.   It has been an excellent performer
in all condition.   I have dropped it several time, once into a puddle
of water.  It was completely submerged.  And many of these drops were
over 4 feet onto a parking lot.

        After all of this my 202 has NEVER been into the shop once!   If you
want to get a radio with all the featuers of teh 202 you better bring
$400+ to the radio store.




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From: [e-mail] (Steve Zinski)
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Jason Reighard <[e-mail]> writes:
> Don't make the same mistake I did when I first got my ticket. Save up some

I don't own the HTX-202, but I do own the HTX-404 (its 70-cm cousin).  I
am extremely satisfied with it.  It is packed full of features not found
on radios in its price range (S-Meter, DTMF memories, CTCSS encode/decode,
etc.) I also own an Alinco DJ-180T HT and an Azden 2M mobile.  I have
seriously considered selling the Alinco in order to purchase the HTX-202.

                                --Steve N9VAH/4

--
============================================================
==  Steven C. Zinski - N9VAH  ==  [e-mail]  ==
==  Richmond, Virginia, USA   ==                          ==
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From: Matthew <[e-mail]>
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Quick!
I need first-hand, unbiased advice on the IC706!
I plan to buy it v. soon if I do not hear any stinking reports!
Help!


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From: [e-mail] (Michael Cowart)
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Matthew ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Quick!
: I need first-hand, unbiased advice on the IC706!
: I plan to buy it v. soon if I do not hear any stinking reports!
: Help!

it's hard to get unbiased advice :)  by definition, any advice is
biased.

I have had a 706 four days and like it very much.  it gives you a
lot of bands and modes for a relatively small amount of dollars.
makes a great mobile rig, that's how I use mine.

my advice: get one before the price goes up!

73
Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Michael White)
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Matthew wrote:

> Quick!
> I need first-hand, unbiased advice on the IC706!
> I plan to buy it v. soon if I do not hear any stinking reports!
> Help!

A friend of mine got one, and I've used it quite a lot. It's great; we
both love it. There are some minor things we'd change if we were designing
it, but certainly no show-stoppers. This friend of mine is very, very
pickey about such things, and he's quite pleased with the 706. Just
remember that it only has 10 watts out on 2 meters, and there is no DTMF
keypad. It's really meant to be a 2 meter all-mode, not a general purpose
mobile rig for chatting on the repeater. It will do that fine, it's just
set up more like an all-mode.

Now, if I could just convince my wife that the 706 is more important the
the kid's braces...

Mike, N4PDY

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Matthew <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Quick!
>I need first-hand, unbiased advice on the IC706!
>I plan to buy it v. soon if I do not hear any stinking reports!
>Help!

Mathew,
Don't be worried about buying the 706. It is an excellent radio!
I got mine last week, and I love it.
I have two comments.
I thought I had a transmit audio problem, but I played around
with the settings, and found this not to be true.
The only thing I would change on this radio if I could, would be
the fan. It runs all the time, and speeds up when you transmit. I
would rather see it temperature controlled, like my Icom 751A. I
think however, that it may have to be like it is in order to
maintain the small size of the radio, without large heat-sinks.
It is about the same noise level as a computer fan. Really not a
major problem though.
This radio has many great software features, and with 6M and 2M
all mode, it is like getting three radios in one.
Recieve audio is quite clear, I don,t detect any distortion (by
ear), like some of the other HF radios that have recently come
out.
Reciever sensitivity seems to be very good. On two meter FM, it
is better than my FM mobile rig (with the preamp on). HF also
very good.

73 de Thomas AA9IS




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From: [e-mail] (Jari Jokiniemi)
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I would slightly disagree on IC-706 being really that good. The SSB
filters are poor. The radio gets into trouble when trying to
dig a DX under a pile-up or when running a contest. Also the front end
does not seem to behave well when someone is running a KW nearby, so
multi-multi operations using IC-706's are out of the question. To be
fair, the other small radio I've ever tried (TS-50) behaved just the
same way. I would say that the new Icom is a good deal for the common
operator, it is also very handy radio for a one man DX
pedition. DX hunters and those runninng contests should consider other
radios (did I say a second-hand IC-735).
--
Jari Jokiniemi, [e-mail], OH2MPO, OH3BU
Tekla Oy, Koronakatu 1, 02210 Espoo, 90-8879 474


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: IC706
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jari Jokiniemi) writes:
>I would slightly disagree on IC-706 being really that good. The SSB
>filters are poor. The radio gets into trouble when trying to
>dig a DX under a pile-up or when running a contest. Also the front end
>does not seem to behave well when someone is running a KW nearby, so
>multi-multi operations using IC-706's are out of the question. To be
>fair, the other small radio I've ever tried (TS-50) behaved just the
>same way. I would say that the new Icom is a good deal for the common
>operator, it is also very handy radio for a one man DX
>pedition. DX hunters and those runninng contests should consider other
>radios (did I say a second-hand IC-735).

You're right, the 706 is no 735. I've been operating the two side
by side for a few days now. The 735 has better dynamic range, better
filters, and has PBT to let you tailor the filter bandwidth to suit
the signal you are copying. But you can upgrade the 706 filters,
the dynamic range problem is somewhat manageable with artful use of
the preamp and attenuator, and the radio is more convienent to
operate than the 735, and certainly easier to use mobile. All the
mods for this radio so far have been to improve out-of-band performance,
but when the schematics are finally available, I hope some mods will
be forthcoming to enhance its dynamic range. That's the *real*
drawback to this otherwise excellent little radio. (For mobile use,
which seems the primary niche for this radio, the lack of dynamic
range isn't as much of a problem because the antennas are inherently
narrow banded and have limited sensitivity. So dealing with huge
signals out of band isn't as much of a problem.)

With the optional 500 Hz filter, this little radio is a digital
operator's dream. Everything you need is brought out the back,
and the slow tuning is a godsend compared to the coarse and
quick tuning of the 735. Even tuning a Clover signal is a
piece of cake. You don't have to hold your breath while
nudging the knob like you do with the 735. And of course
having 6m and 2m allows you to do meteor scatter packet on
6m and regular terrestrial packet on 2m. I haven't tried
9600 baud yet (we don't use 9600 on 2m around here) but
I'm going to do some experiments this weekend to see what
the BER looks like. With a 70cm transverter, the radio
even does an acceptable job with amateur satellites, though
lack of full duplex capability is a limitation.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:07:05 1995
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ICOM computer control
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
From: Pat Moore <[e-mail]>
Date: 9 Nov 95 14:34:26 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University
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I need a simple program which will control an ICOM transceiver.  Just the
basics, no 12 mb windows applications.  Any pointers to an ftp site?



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From: [e-mail] (Seth Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Identify batteries
Date: 7 Nov 95 15:14:11 GMT
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I have two 12V 40 AH batteries that appear to some type of
storage battery that I can't identify as to type. They are slightly
smaller than a conventional car battery, yellow case with a black top.
The only markings on the side are "Choride Power" . They have what
appear to be nickel plated large terminals. They are also sealed,
with no vents and are very heavy for their size. I've checked in the
engineering manuals and EEM and I can't seem to ID the vendor nor the
type of cells. The only chloride variety that I could find is a zinc
chloride which is a primary battery, not a storage type. I'm assumming
that these are storage batteries, maybe aircraft type. Any ideas ?


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unsubscribe    [e-mail] [e-mail]



From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:07:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Don Boekenkruger)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite.dbs,rec.video.satellite.europe,rec.video.satellite.misc,rec.video.satellite.tvro,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: INTERESTING NEW WWW PAGE
Date: 9 Nov 1995 06:57:20 GMT
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Hello to all who read this message.

I am letting you all know about a new WWW page which is Ham Radio,
scanner &
satellite T.V. related.


The page is at "http://www.burnabyradio.com/ham/brc.html"


We are:  Burnaby Radio Communications Ltd.
         4257 E. Hastings Street
         Burnaby, B.C.  Canada
         V5C 2J5
         Phone: [phone]
         Fax:  [phone]
         BBS:  [phone]

WWW: http://www.burnabyradio.com/ham/brc.html

Please visit us!!!

Thanks.


Don Boekenkruger
[e-mail]




From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:07:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Pat R. Brown)
Subject: Re: Is the Extra Class written really easer than the advanced
Sender: [e-mail] (News )
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Yes. At least in the late 80's.

The Advanced test has some questions about electronics that even require a
little simple math. The Extra test is mostly just rules and regs.

Pat
N7KRG (yeah, I kept my old call......)



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From: [e-mail] (Cathy Cotts)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: KENWOOD MODS.
Date: 6 Nov 1995 21:56:53 -0500
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I am looking for any mods for the kenwood 79a.
If anyone could help please e-mail.
Thanks
--
Cathy Cotts
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (J. L. Blanton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: License burnt - where to get replacement ???
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 00:15:06 -0800
Organization: Network Intensive
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> In article <47kdu9$[e-mail]> Kirk Prodzinski
<[e-mail]> writes:
> >Help.  We had a house fire (lightning hit my tower), and my licenses were
> >torched.  Does anyone know offhand how to go about getting a replacement

I lost my license while moving to a new home.  I filed a 610 form to apply
for a change of address and renewal.  In the space where the license was
supposed to be attached I simply wrote "Lost in moving".  No problem.  I
received my new license in about 10 days.

73,

Lee, WA8YBT/6


From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:07:11 1995
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From: John Mullan <jmullan>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: License burnt - where to get replacement ???
Date: 7 Nov 1995 17:11:07 GMT
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Did your wallet survive, and did you put a copy of your license in your wallet?
If so, make a copy and send it with a 610 requesting a replacement. If you
don't have a copy, give a call to the nearest FCC office and ask their advice.



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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: License burnt - where to get replacement ???
Date: 8 Nov 1995 20:11:30 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Charles P. Adams) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>>Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
>>Path:
>>ntc.nokia.com!nokia.fi!news.funet.fi!news.kolumbus.fi!news.csc.fi!news.eunet.fi!
>>EU.net!gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
>>From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
>>Subject: Re: License burnt - where to get replacement ???
>>Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
>>Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
>>Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
>>References: <47kdu9$[e-mail]>
>>Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 20:05:16 GMT
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>
>
>>In article <47kdu9$[e-mail]> Kirk Prodzinski
>><[e-mail]> writes:
>>>Help.  We had a house fire (lightning hit my tower), and my licenses were
>>>torched.  Does anyone know offhand how to go about getting a replacement
>>>?  Thanks in advance.
>
>>Just write a letter to Uncle Charley up in Gettysburg, explain what
>>happened, and they'll mail you a new license.
>
>>Gary
>
>>--
>>Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
>>Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
>>534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
>>Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |
>
>Uh, you mean you can't buy 'em at Radio Shack?
>
>damn..
>
>=============================================================================
>Charles P. (Chuck) Adams  WB5WRR                         Tel. [phone]
>RF Engineering                                           Fax  [phone]
>Nokia Telecommunications, Inc. USA                [e-mail]
>=============================================================================
>alternate email addresses:
>
>       [e-mail]
>       [e-mail]
>       [e-mail]
>       [e-mail]


Nice touch Chuck!
                        Mike KB9KFE


From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:07:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Don Bruder)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.scanner,alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Looking for frequencies sending CW
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Hello, folks...

I'm a "wannabe" ham (no license, or gear other than a Pro-43 scanner yet)
looking to learn morse in preparation for getting my ticket. I've got
Gordon West's code tapes, the no-code plus book from radio shack, and "Now
You're Talking!" from ARRL. What I don't have is the patience to repeat
the tapes over and over and over while I learn the code. I've found that I
get to a certain point, and lose concentration due to the repetition, and
everything I've learned up until that point just kinda goes out the
window. I also find myself "anticipating" the next letter to come along
because I've played the tapes so often. I'm not willing to settle for
"just" the no-code ticket, so that option is out.

What I'm looking for is the frequency of a station that sends CW (whatever
rate...) that I can tune up on my Pro-43 scanner and practice copying
from.
I'd love to be able to tune up W1AW's code-practice "workshops", but I
simply don't have the gear to tune that low. (30 Mhz is my bottom end with
the radio I have)

I'm in Bay City Michigan, and my radio covers 30-54, 118-174, 220-512, and
806-999.9875 Mhz in either AM or FM mode. If anyone knows of a station I
can tune up for some copying practice using this radio, I'd like to hear
about it. And yes, I know: Trying to use a scanner as a ham receiver is
nuts. When I can afford to buy a "real" Ham rig, I will, but for right
now, "Use what you've got" is the catchphrase for this boy...

Email responses preferred if at all possible.

Thanks in advance...

--
--
+-------------------+ \__    Roadkill on the information superhighway...
|Don Bruder         | |  \       AUGH! +--------------------------------+
|[e-mail]    | |_@_\____&   /   | I will choose a purpose clear: |
|I eat my roadkill! |_|____|__@|  @    | I will choose Free-will -Rush  |
+/.\/.\--------+ /.\/.\=(__)/.\] \|/   +--------------------------------+
_\_/\_/__________\_/\_/_____\_/__/_\__     Finger for PGP public key


From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:07:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Craig S. Young)
Newsgroups: dfw.general,ti.rec.radio,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Looking for new meeting location, Dallas/Mid Cities Area
Date: 8 Nov 1995 14:00:40 GMT
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The North Texas Microwave Society (NTMS) is looking for a new location to
hold its monthly meetings.  Our meetings are currently held on the Friday
before the first Saturday at HP in Las Colinas, but our sponsor at HP
will no longer be able to host meetings there.

The NTMS is an amateur radio organization whose purpose is to promote
amateur radio activity on frequencies above 900 MHz.  The NTMS consists
of over 400 members worldwide, and our local meetings usually draw 30 to
50 members from Dallas/Fort Worth and the surrounding areas.  While we'd
like to keep the meeting at the same time and in the same general area as
they are currently, we are open to any suggestions.

If you have any suggestions, please email.

Thanks.

--
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Craig S. Young, KA5BOU                "I speak only for me, not TI"
Texas Instruments Incorporated
2501 W. University, MS 8041           email: [e-mail]
McKinney, TX 75070                    phone: [phone]
-----------------------------------------------------------------------



From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:07:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Message Handling
Date: 10 Nov 1995 19:47:04 GMT
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 All such inf is available from ARRL by sending e-mail to > [e-mail] <
no subject but put "INDEX" in msg area. They will reply with long list
of subjects that you can get pages of info on. Usually within minutes.

But, IMO anyone that doesn't have the background in NTS & traffic handleing,
is the wrong person to give the talk.

John, N0KIC, AEC Dist 14, Colo Section.



From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:07:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Message Handling
Date: 10 Nov 1995 20:56:38 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University
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NNTP-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

In article <[e-mail]>,
Greg N. <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have a friend here at work that is going to give a talk on Emergency
>Communication for Ham Operators. He ask me for any information I could get
>on message handling. Does anyone have inputs that I could pass along?
>Thanks,
>Greg

Hi Greg.

What do you mean "message handling"? Are you refering the to National
Traffic System (NTS)? If so, traffic is sent in ARRL Radiogram format.

I am the Central Ohio Traffic Net Manager, and handle thousands of
pieces of traffic a year.

If this is what your looking for, email me for specifics.

73
--
  +=================================+===================================+
  |Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT |[e-mail] |
  |Electronic/Computer Tech. @ OSU  |radio: n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam|
  +=================================+===================================+


From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:07:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Harry Yingst)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Mods for Icom IC-736
Date: 9 Nov 1995 23:47:03 GMT
Organization: Knighted Computers
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Does anyone have any mods for the ICOM IC-736?  I'm looking for a way to
turn the pre-amp back on below 1.6 Mhz.
 Icom turns it off even though it the light says it's on.
 I would like to listen for some lowfer stations 1750 meter band
 (160-190 kc. 1 watt into a 50 ft antenna).  I'm also looking for a way to
improve the recieve audio.
 The recieve audio sounds flat and distant, lacking highs & lows.
 With the notch filter ON the audio sounds a little better,
 but it still could use some improvement.
 They re-shape the audio through the notch filter,
 and it actually has a nicer sound with the notch filter on
 (Has more highs & lows).
 I had a IC-737 that had the same problem with the audio,
 just not sounding quite right.  I am also interested in any other mods
for the Icom IC-736.  Please send any replies to [e-mail] Note:
If you post a reply into this newsgroup I proably wont get it,
      my internet provider only holds news for 1 day.  Thank You.  Harry
N6VUJ








































From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:07:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Harry Yingst)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Mods for Icom IC-736
Date: 9 Nov 1995 23:48:02 GMT
Organization: Knighted Computers
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]

Does anyone have any mods for the ICOM IC-736?  I'm looking for a way to
turn the pre-amp back on below 1.6 Mhz.
 Icom turns it off even though it the light says it's on.
 I would like to listen for some lowfer stations 1750 meter band
 (160-190 kc. 1 watt into a 50 ft antenna).  I'm also looking for a way to
improve the recieve audio.
 The recieve audio sounds flat and distant, lacking highs & lows.
 With the notch filter ON the audio sounds a little better,
 but it still could use some improvement.
 They re-shape the audio through the notch filter,
 and it actually has a nicer sound with the notch filter on
 (Has more highs & lows).
 I had a IC-737 that had the same problem with the audio,
 just not sounding quite right.  I am also interested in any other mods
for the Icom IC-736.  Please send any replies to [e-mail] Note:
If you post a reply into this newsgroup I proably wont get it,
      my internet provider only holds news for 1 day.  Thank You.  Harry
N6VUJ








































From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:07:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Rosenfeld NF3I)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Mr. Nicad phone number? 608-831-3443
Date: 7 Nov 1995 22:10:39 GMT
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NNTP-Posting-Host: w3eax.umd.edu

>: Can someone please provide me with the phone number for Mr. Nicad?
>
>: Thanks!
>
>E.H. Yost (Mr. Nicad) & Company: 608-643-3194
>
>--
>John Keith      [e-mail]

I have a flyer and just bought something last week:

608-831-3443, fax [phone]
--
Scott Rosenfeld NF3I Burtonsville, MD FM19 QRV 40-10/6/2/440
** Yes, you CAN do VHF contests with 25W and omni antennas **
Still stuck at 138 countries confirmed on HF w/dipoles...
--------------------------------------------------------------


From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:07:21 1995
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From: fiz <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: My first mod!
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 18:38:31 -0800
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523
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Hi,

I recently bought an ICOM 2000 and didn't like a couple things
about the mic, so I made some mods to make it work the way *I*
want.

1) Its hard to hold the PTT and press the buttons on the keypad
when accessing the autopatch so I added a 2nd slide switch PTT.

2) I can't see the keypad at night so I added a 'super bright'
LED just below the keypad.

More info about what I did can be found at

http://polaron.physics.colostate.edu/~fiz/icom2000.html

ttfn  fiz  (KG0YG)


From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:07:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (bob rx)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Nec 386 Active color matrix laptop
Date: 8 Nov 1995 22:56:04 GMT
Organization: Global One, Inc
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X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+

Hi -- have a NEC 386 laptop -=- 2 megs of ram 80 meg Harddrive -- with dos 6.2 and windows
3.1-- 1.44 meg floppy and connections for printer -LPT1- com 1-ps2 mouse
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>Give me a break!! The sad thing is that there are people out there that will
>actually do what you say and you will make money. Please don't post this crap
>here again. Scum like you will get it in the end...I believe you are what we
>all call a scam artist!!

>NO ONE FOLLOW THIS GUYS ADVICE!! SCAM ALERT ALERT ALERT!!!!

Everyone send him mail...Fill his box.


From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:07:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Mensing)
Subject: Need ideas for ham radio mini class
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I have been asked to prepare and teach a ham radio mini class at our
church. The class will consist of about 5 or 6 kids in the 4th, 5th
and 6th grade. The class will run one night a week (1 hour per night)
for 5 weeks.

I would like to hear from anyone that has any suggestions as to how I
might structure such a class. What sort of activities would be
appropriate for this age range? I've got some ideas but would like to
hear from you folks, too.

Thanks,
        Dave Mensing, N2PSH, [e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Ivar Aarsnes)
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Subject: New ham-radio Homepage!
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I just thought I'd let you know that I have made a homepage dedicated to
Amateur radio , It contains some nice links, and I will try to update it
regularly. Feel free to mail me comments or suggestions/new links.

The address is:  http://stud.hials.no:24892/~iaa/ham.html


73's de Ivar


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Hi Mike..

 a Friend of mine has this Radio, could you please tell me how to do the
odd splits.. Please reply via e-mail ..

thanks Bill..73'[e-mail] ([e-mail]) wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeff Gold) writes:
>>Anyone know anything about the new Radio Shack 2 meter mobile
>>rigs. They are on sale for $299 now and it sure looked good.
>>wonder who really makes it and how it compares to the other
>>current 2 meter mobile on the market.
>>73
>>
>>Jeff, AC4HF
>
>Jeff,
>       I have had an HTX-212 almost since they came out.  It has a few quirks
>that are just slightly annoying (You can't save out of band freq - like the
>weather broadcasts in memory.)  I have had no problem and it is very easy to
>set up a repeater freq into memory.  Even the odd splits (my home repeater has
>a 1.08M split) are not a problem.  It does CTCSS both directions out of the box
>(Read no add-on board).  It has good audio and a 30 memory selection is plenty
>for me.  You do have to "OPEN UP" the transmit and receive (it is still in band
>however) to use many of the repeater that use a lower than RS allowed transmit.
>I talked to customer service and their response was that it was intentional and
>done to go along with a "gentlemens aggreement" on bandplan.  The 10 watt low
>is a little higher power than I would like and the 45 high power is fine.  The
>Squelch is a little wierd in the setting.  50% - 12 o'clock is just S1 on my
>radio.  It is very hard to squelch out a moderate signal.
>       All in all I would buy another for my wife, but I want to wait for the
>rumored "dual-band" mobile (and give my wife the 2m unit!)
>                               Mike KB9KFE

--
"Bill Kirkner"  ([e-mail])
                ([e-mail])
                ([e-mail])  AMPRnet
                (n3pza@wb3fqy.#sepa.pa.usa.na) NETROM




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From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
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Subject: Re: New Radio Shack 2 mtr mobile
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Bill Kirkner <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Please reply via e-mail ..

[snip in consideration of bandwidth]

C'mon fellers.  Consider what you are doing when you ask for a reply
by email.

  1.  You are preventing the rest of us who have an interest in this
thread from seeing the whole answer -- this strikes me as being
somewhat selfish.

  2.  You are admitting that you don't lurk this group very often and
want a personal answer so that you don't have to take up your valuable
time reading the newsgroup to pick up your answer.

If the question is by newsgroup, the return post should be by
newsgroup.

Jim



Jim Weir VP Engineering  | "We seem to be standing on
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Grass Valley CA 95945    | (Gen Chuck Yeager)
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[e-mail]  AR Adv WB6BHI  CFI A&G/Comml Inst A&G/A&P/C-182A N73CQ



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From: Mike Gathergood <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: OLD RADIO TUBES
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 95 09:13:39 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "BOB BARBER" writes:

> Does anyone know of a source for old radio tubes? I have a GE console
> model that dates back to the 30's. It needs a tube to make it work.
> Thanks. If this is the wrong newsgroup for this message pls advise me
> of the correct one.  :)

Have you tried the 'glowbugs' list?

Email [e-mail] with the following in the message body:

subscribe glowbugs <your_name> <your_call>

73
Mike                  * QRV around 0800 and 1800 most weekdays on GB3HL *
G4KFK                 * (Hillingdon 433.075/434.675) and also 51.83 MHz *


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Subject: Opportunity Knocking
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I am an Executive Recruiter in the RF/Microwave Industry. I currently have several openings in New England for Engineers with experience in Antenna Design

Bill Corrigan
Ross Green and Associates
PO Box 547
Cumberland, ME 04021
207-829-6595 (P)
207-829-6590 (F)
[e-mail]


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>I am an Executive Recruiter in the RF/Microwave Industry.

I'm available from 10am to 3pm Tuesday through Thursday (I like my time off).
I'm an angry white male over 40 (I want affirmative action for whites too).
I have no Congressional minority status (like being a woman).
My degree is from a communist country (but recognized and funded by Congress).
I made an antenna from a coat hanger once.
I am conversant in Commodore computers.
I have gone 1200 baud on both radio and telephone.
I won't consider anything less than $26 an hour (my Government retirement).
I'm a member of the White Caucus (we send cockroaches into the Black Caucus).
I never lie.



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From: Bob Morrow <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Police radar, was he lying?
Date: 8 Nov 1995 00:30:06 GMT
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[e-mail] (David S. Curry KG2EB) wrote:

>required to show you the radar, it must be different in different states
>but this sure is gonna be a hit to the wallet.
>
>Tnx for the Web sites
>73
>David KG2EB
>


Go to court, plead not guilty. If the judge finds you guilty,
your fine will probably be reduced as tickets rarely go for
full price in court.  They can't afford the time to go the
distance with you, and most are more than happy to plea bargain
down to a lesser fine.  It happens all the time.  Stop by a
court session some day and see what goes on.



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From: [e-mail] (James Dean)
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Subject: Re: Police radar, was he lying?
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I can sure agree with the statements regarding purchasing something
unobtrusive.  I own a plain white Freightliner conventional tractor-
trailer that looks like the sort that any major trucking company would
buy, while a friend of mine has a fancy red Kenworth with more chrome
than you can believe.  We both run the same run, and he gets stopped and
inspected at least twice as often as I do.
-
  JAMES DEAN KD4USF  [e-mail]
  Yes that's really my name.




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From: [e-mail] (Joe Landis - Systems & Network Mgr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Police radar, was he lying?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Steve Sampson) writes:
> [e-mail] (Steve Zinski) writes:
>
>>My advise:  Go to court. If you show the court that you are willing to
>>take time out of your busy day to try and prove your innocence, chances
>>are that you'll get a lighter punishment.
>
> There's an advantage in this advice.  The advantage is, that the traffic
> officer may not show up.  They expect most people to mail in the fine.
> I've gone to court three times in my younger days, and the case was
> dismissed when I was the only one who showed up.

[snip]
Good advice.
Also, if you're a wise ass and give the cop a hard time, you can bet he'll
be at court waiting for you. So don't be confrontational with the cop either.
This IS getting pretty far off topic though.

Joe - AA3GN
--
Joe Landis - Systems and Network Manager - North American Drager - Telford, PA
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (nunnya)
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Subject: Re: Police radar, was he lying?
Date: 10 Nov 1995 11:22:12 GMT
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Steve Sampson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (David S. Curry KG2EB) writes:

: >When i asked to see the inform
: >ation on his radar equipment he said that there is nothing to see.

: If he marked "RADAR" on the ticket, you have won the case!  It is improper
: to use radar as a witness, when it's data cannot be verified.  That throws
: out the radar part.  Now you have to throw out the policeman part.  Here's
: how:  Get your lawyer to get a copy of the published procedures the police
: will use.  If you don't have a lawyer, then get it yourself.


***
Here we go again, with these Sunday, lawyers!
This is mostly BS... not al radars have a hold capability, most mooving
radars do however, if the officer was driving at this point in time, it
would not be a safe practice for him to take his hands off the wheel at
the perticular point in time. I personnaly do not work radar because they
usually end up in court, whcih means i have to come in on my days off,
but i hope this answers your questions, sir.
jeff

: Note where it says that the person cited may view the radar evidence.  If
: there is no such procedure, you've also won, because the Constitution
: guarantees it.

: >He
: >has to "estimate" the speed of my car and then activate his radar equipment
: >which only displays a speed figure as long as i am in his "window".  After
: >that, the speed disappears.

: > If so, wouldnt the signal bounce
: >off trees and rocks and other such hard surfaces on the other side of the
: >road?
*** no they dont bounce like that, there is a very small spread pattern
to them.
: Yes.  All honest cops will gladly show you your speed.  The ugly cop
: will bluff his way.  The ugly cop also needs to be identified to the
: internal affairs division.  Write a letter, endorse it with your lawyer,
: or get it notarized.
*** get a clue!



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From: [e-mail] (shatter)
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Subject: Q: are there any mods for the FT-51R?
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I am thinking of buying a Yaesu FT-51R HT radio and want to know if there
are any mods out for this radio.

Thanks

Chad Baker



From Unknown Sat Nov 11 07:07:36 1995
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Subject: Q: What dual band HT to buy?

>>I have been looking at the following radios:

You should include Standard products in your short list. You'll be glad
you did!


Clint Bradford
---
 * TLX v4.00 * ATTENTION to Details AMATEUR RADIO BBS - 909/681-6221
 ■ wcECHO 4.1 ≈ AR-Net: ATTENTION to Details ■ Mira Loma, CA ■ 909-681-6221


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From: "Oleg A. Chernozyomov" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Question to radio engineers about SINAD
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[e-mail] (Markus Lenggenhager) wrote:

>SINAD stands for "signal, noise and distortion", but is often used to
>represent the signal to noise ratio. As such, it is also measured in dB.
>
>73, Markus  HB9BRJ
>


Dear Markus,

Thank you for coming back.
Yes, I have an overall idea what is SINAD.

But there are figures in this standard,
and I would like to reference them to other known units.
Say, level 1 in SINAD is N dB, or something like this.

Thank you,
Oleg UA4CIF





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From: [e-mail] (WA6AWD)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Question to radio engineers about SINAD
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In article <[e-mail]>, "Oleg A. Chernozyomov"
<[e-mail]> writes:

>
>Is  there a radio engineer who could explain
>the standard figures of a measurement system SINAD?

I am not a radio engineer, but a radio technician who works on two-way
radio
equipment and uses the SINAD measurement.

It is a way of measuring FM receiver sensitivity.  It means SIgnal plus
Noise And
Distortion.  A signal generator is modulated with a 1-KHz tone at 2/3
system
deviation.  This signal is fed into the receiver under test at a high
signal level
where the receiver is receiving the signal with no noise at all.  The
output of the
audio stages are supposed to be set at rated audio output.  The audio
output
from the receiver is fed into a device that has an audio notch at the
1-KHz tone
frequency.  At this point the output level is measured in dB.  Then the rf
output
from the signal generator is reduced to where the receiver is starting to
have
noise mixed with the 1-KHz audio output.  At the point where the audio
output
goes up 12 dB because of the noise from the low amount of received signal,
that
is where the rf output is noted in microvolts or decibels.  A good
receiver in the
150-MHz region might have a 12 dB SINAD reading of 3 microvolts, or about
-117 dBm.

I hope this helps.

Alan - WA6AWD - Kent, WA


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From: [e-mail] (WA6UBE)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Question to radio engineers about SINAD
Date: 10 Nov 1995 12:08:52 -0500
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[e-mail]
writes:
>Please, could anybody explain the figures and levels of SINAD,
>compared to a decibels scale? What is level 0, etc.

0 dB SiNAD just means there is no signal to noise ratio that can be
measured.
the meter may bounce around a bit because of the effect of the 1 KHz
filter in
the meter. As the rf signal level is increased, the higher signal to noise
ratio in
the receiver translates to a higher "SINAD" reading.

Trish ..

[e-mail] "The Vertical Skywave Girl"


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Buch)
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Subject: Re: Question to radio engineers about SINAD
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:55:35 GMT
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"Oleg A. Chernozyomov" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Is  there a radio engineer who could explain
>the standard figures of a measurement system SINAD?

The term SINAD is a corruption of S/NAD which stands for
signal to noise and distortion ratio.  It simply means that
at some signal levels the receiver may introduce distortion
products which add to the noise.  The presence of those
distortion products makes the signal harder to hear.  At any
given signal level the signal to noise ratio will be larger
than the signal to noise and distortion ratio.




~*-.,_,.-*~'^'~*-.,_,.-*~'^'~*-.,_,.-*~'
Joe Buch N2JB
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Subject: Re: R.S. policies and respect

>>A [Radio Shack] clerk in my local store actually refused to sell me a
>>9-pin RS-232 gender bender unless I gave him my name and address.

Difficult to believe - your District Manager should be advised of this
gentleman's actions.


Clint Bradford
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From: [e-mail] (David Stockton)
Subject: Re: R.S. policies and respect
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Jim Lowman ([e-mail]) wrote:


: I think I will be "Jack Offenback" the next time I go to a RS store other
: than the one where I usually shop; the manager there is a member of our
: local radio club.


    How about a very long name and address with very difficult spelling?

    Something that takes 10-15 minutes just to get the guy to write,
something that takes out a salesman for the amount of time that the
manager will notice, and will make him think of missed sales.

    If you want to make a protest, it may be more effective if the pain
is felt at the point of the problem, rather than being offset elsewhere.

    I think a hexasyllabic names from Sri Lanka, with a Welsh address may
make a good starting point. Look up the victorian era railway station at
the Anglesey end of the Menai bridge.
Llanfairpwllgwynygogereddgwyndroglllantisioliogogogogh  (sp? ;-) )

   Once, when south of the border, in England, I quoted "first floor
apartment, 1601 Pennsylvania avenue, Washington DC, USA" in a Tandy shop,
and the bloke just asked for the postcode. Oh, well.

   Cheers
           David GM4ZNX



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From: [e-mail] (Cliff Segar)
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Subject: Re: Radio Shack and HT Sales
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 00:47:28 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
>I worked for RS for a year.  They know it requires a license to use a
>ham radio.  They don't care.  If you have the money, they
>will sell it to you.  I never would do it.  It really pissed off the manager.
>Sid George, CPA     [e-mail]
To start with, there is nothing illegal about owning a Xmtr with out a
license. I have owned a HF Xcvr for several years now and am still not
licensed to Xmit with it. (something about element 1a). But, thanks to
RS, I do own a 70cm HT. I was NOT licensed to Xmit with it when I
bought it (for $125US - eat your heart out!) but rapidly passed the
NoCode Tech as soon as I found a VE.

Thank goodness the US is still free enough to permit us to posess some
objects that could be used unlawfully but entrusts us with enough
common sense to figure that out for ourselves.

de KF4DZV



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From: [e-mail] (Mark Johnson)
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Subject: Re: Radio Shack and HT Sales
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In article <47k1mu$[e-mail]> [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk) writes:

>In <47jijl$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>>I worked for RS for a year.  They know it requires a license to use a ham radio.  They don't care.  If you have the money, they
>>will sell it to you.  I never would do it.  It really pissed off the manager.

>you could put the store and company in serious legal trouble..it's not illegal to
>sell a radio to someone.  it's not illegal for them to listen using the radio.
>it's just illegal for them to transmit w/o proper authorization for the band they're
>on...

But for the most part, private businesses are free to refuse to sell to
whomever they like. I don't see that the *company* would be in serious trouble
in this situation, but if the policy was to sell to anybody, the individual
who insisted on selling only to licensed amateurs might get in trouble with
his boss...
==========
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E-mail:  [e-mail]          OEM RAID Business Team
Voice: [phone] [V+654-8189]         3718 N. Rock Rd.
Visit our web page: http://www.symbios.com Wichita, KS  67226


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From: [e-mail] (Brian Oakley)
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[ Article crossposted from rec.radio.cb ]
[ Author was Brian Oakley ]
[ Posted on 1 Nov 1995 09:46:17 -0600 ]

A while back, someone posted a mod for a frequency hold button for the
Radio Shack Frequency counter.  Can someone email it to me or repost it
or tell me where I can find it? Thanks.  [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Mike Miller)
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Subject: Re: Radio Shack HT-deaf
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In article <47g20h$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (J.
Duffy Beischel) wrote:

> In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary
> Coffman) writes:
>
> >Do you have anything other than racist blather about Korean quality,
> >and venom toward Tandy's excellent warrantee plans, to offer?  In
> other
> >words, what exactly is your complaint about the HTX-202?
>
> Oh, now this is too funny.  Critisize the quality of products made in a
> particular country and that is racist.  I guess one should expect this
> kind of double talk today in the present political climate.  When you
> don't like something said about someone immediately go to the racist
> charge.  The beef is that goods made in Korea are generally not of the
> same quality is goods coming from the U.S., Japan and many of the
> Western European countries.  Most educated people recognize this.  It's
> your problem if you see this as racist.

> Thanks for the debate.

Debate generally refers to comparing competing claims on the basis of
evidence and warrants, not hurling ad hominems back and forth.

Mike Miller, KB0JGS and high school debate coach


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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike
Miller) writes:

>> Thanks for the debate.
>
>Debate generally refers to comparing competing claims on the basis of
>evidence and warrants, not hurling ad hominems back and forth.
>
>Mike Miller, KB0JGS and high school debate coach

And your point is...?




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From: Vincent D'Elia <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Radio Shack VOX headset
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Does anyone have experence with one of these things. I tested
one using a scanner to receive and it seems to have worked fine.
I using an FT-470.
Also has anyone seen another headset that does the same thing.

Vince
KC6ISS


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From: [e-mail] (Mark LaPolt)
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Subject: Ramsey FX440
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Has anyone out there received satisfactory results with the Ramsey
FX440 transceiver kit? I built one, but once completed, I noticed a plethora of
ploblems. For instance, the microphone amp not working, the VCO being VERY
susceptable to 'mechanical' noise (i.e. touching the board with an insulated
tweaker), no power out, and lousy sensitivity. I thought I did a pretty decent
job assembing this thing, but either I'm WAY off in my assembly techniques, or
the kit's not what it's cracked up to be. I'm going to start troubleshooting
the rig this week (I hope), and will keep any interested parties up to date.

[e-mail]
Mark LaPolt N1UNE



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From: [e-mail] (John Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Repeaters masking tones
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:47:10 GMT
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In article <47r7nf$4a@lambchop>, Ron Thompson  <[e-mail]>
wrote:
>>I was recently experimenting with code squelch on some local
>>repeaters.  I found that ALL the repeaters I tried fail to
>>transmit the tones.  I thought code squelch would be great to
>>facilitate quiet standby, but it's going to be pretty much
>>useless if it doesn't work through repeaters.
>>
>>Does anyone know why this happens? Are there any ways around
>>it?

I agree that this make coded squelch pretty useless, but it reduces the
hacker factor on repeaters.  There are a couple of work arounds that I know
of:

Most repeater controllers (all of the ACC brand and others) will pass all
tones through the repeater if they are prefixed with a certain digits.  For
example, if your local repeater passed all tones that followed the sequence
123, and your friends radio opened up with 456, you would enter 123 456.
The 123 tells the controller to pass the following digits, and only the 456
would actually be heard on the repeater's output.  Talk with the repeater's
owner/control op/programmer and see if they will sanction this activity and
give you the pass through codes.

The other work around is that most controllers (again, all ACC and most
others) have the ability to generate DTMF tones for paging purposes.  Each
user is assigned a "paging slot", and that slot contains the type of paging
(DTMF, 2 tone, 6 tone, etc) , and the digits that will be transmitted when
that slot is activated.  When you enter the secret squirrel code, the
repeater will transmit the programmed DTMF digits for you.

We use this on our machine as a weather alert.  We connected a weather
radio to our repeater controller (RC-850), and when the alert tone goes
off, the repeater sends out a DTMF page of 0000.  That way, people can
leave their HTs on in quiet mode, and they will wake up when the weather
alert tone goes off.  It also gives a convenient group call function.

Once again, chat with the repeater owner/control op/programmer to see if
their controller will to this, and to get it set up.

Good luck!
John, N8CID
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From: [e-mail] (Emarit Ranu)
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Subject: Road trip through Kansas...
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        Hello, I will be cruising through Kansas via I-70 in a few weeks
        and would like to know of the more popular 2m/440 repeater frequencies
        along this route.  I want to make it through without having to resort
        to the stereo!  If anyone has any suggestions, please do tell.

        Thanks!

--
        -Emarit  73's          [e-mail]
        Electrical Engineering, Colorado State Univeristy
        KG0CQ                 _._  __.  _____  _._.  __._
        Packet:                KG0CQ@KF0UW.#NECO.USA.NOAM


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From: [e-mail] (Karl Medcalf)
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Subject: Re: Road trip through Kansas...
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In article <47pg05$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>
>
>        Hello, I will be cruising through Kansas via I-70 in a few weeks
>        and would like to know of the more popular 2m/440 repeater
frequencies
>        along this route.  I want to make it through without having to resort
>        to the stereo!  If anyone has any suggestions, please do tell.
>
>        Thanks!
>
>--
>        -Emarit  73's          [e-mail]
>        Electrical Engineering, Colorado State Univeristy
>        KG0CQ                 _._  __.  _____  _._.  __._
>        Packet:                KG0CQ@KF0UW.#NECO.USA.NOAM

I presume you're going West to East, so I'll list a few for you. Since I live
in the northeast part, I'm not too familiar with the far west.

Salina KS - 147.03+
Topeka KS - 146.67-
Lawrence KS - 147.03+

Those are the most popular - of course when you get near KC, just pick a freq!

Have a good trip

--
73, Karl                Internet: [e-mail]
                        Packet:   WK5M @ WK5M.#NEKS.KS.USA.NOAM
*****  The views and opinions expressed here are mine and do not *****
  *****       necessarily reflect those of my employer!        *****



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From: [e-mail] (Lynn D. Osterbur)
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Subject: RS replies to NAME and PHONE # policy
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   About 10 days ago, I sent Radio Shack a note and a disk with many
comments, concerning their policy of asking for your name and address.
Today I received a reply from (get this) their ASSISTANT MANAGER -
Customer Relations.   Impressive huh?

   The key statement was as follows:   "I must tell you frankly that we
regard our name-and-address policy as a good one and plan to continue
with it as-is."

   They do have an e-mail address:  [e-mail]

   For what its worth.   73  Lynn
--


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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RS replies to NAME and PHONE # policy
Date: 7 Nov 1995 16:13:57 GMT
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[e-mail] (Lynn D. Osterbur) wrote:
>
>
>   About 10 days ago, I sent Radio Shack a note and a disk with many
>comments, concerning their policy of asking for your name and address.
>Today I received a reply from (get this) their ASSISTANT MANAGER -
>Customer Relations.   Impressive huh?
>
>   The key statement was as follows:   "I must tell you frankly that we
>regard our name-and-address policy as a good one and plan to continue
>with it as-is."

Good for WHOM?  I'm sure it's good for all the junk mail distributors
that RS sells their list to and also RS themselves.  For the customer,
I'm not so sure.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



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From: [e-mail] (Robert Wedlock)
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Subject: RS-12 robot and Mir qsl
Date: 7 Nov 1995 01:56:58 GMT
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Hello..

 Where does one send for a QSL card for working the RS-12 robot?
 Also where does one send for a QSL card for working R0MIR?

Thanks!
--
Robert S. Wedlock        "Strive" - Buddha
[e-mail] (Household)
[e-mail] (Private)
[e-mail] (Packet radio)


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From: [e-mail] (Bret A. Johnson)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 02:55:40 GMT
Subject: Shutle
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I was wondering with the shuttle lunch this weekend what freqs do they
send on?

Do they use 2M at all?

How or where can I find this info?

Thanks...




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In article <[e-mail]>, Bret A. Johnson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I was wondering with the shuttle lunch this weekend what freqs do they
>send on?

Are they QRV during lunch? And how will be the modulation?
Speaking while chewing is difficult enough down here, but in space?
Than, that may by why astronauts receive special training.

73, Moritz DL5UH



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From: [e-mail] (Mark LaPolt)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]┐ says...
>
>I was wondering with the shuttle lunch this weekend what freqs do they
>send on?
>
>Do they use 2M at all?
>
>How or where can I find this info?
>
>Thanks...
>
>

        Yes, they do use 2m. I don't have the frequencies on me, but my club

(Greater Norwalk Amateur Radio Club, nothing like a plug, eh?) is involved in

the upcoming (STS-74) mission's SAREX. The have a 5w FM transceiver, and a

'window' antenna.

        Mark LaPolt N1UNE
        [e-mail]



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Bret A. Johnson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I was wondering with the shuttle lunch this weekend what freqs do they
: send on?

: Do they use 2M at all?

: How or where can I find this info?

: Thanks...
:


   For the Mir docking missions they use 144.450 and 144.470 for the
uplink and 145.840 for the downlink. They WILL NOT favor either uplink.
They will be working voice mode only. They will not start using the
equiptment until AFTER the docking is complete.

Callsigns:

KB5AWP - Ken Cameron
N5SCW  - Jerry Ross
KC5ACR - Bill McArthur
KC5RNJ - Chris Hadfield
KC5RNI - Jim Halsell

All the astronauts on this flight are hams! Won't be a first by the way.


Tom - KB2SMS



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From: [e-mail] (Ted Thompson)
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Subject: Standard #C5608DA - sub audibles?
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I have a Standard C5608DA and would like to install a sub-audible tone.  I
don't find anything in the anual.

If someone knows how to do this, Please email.

Thanks


Ted - KB7ZQQ
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Tony Kekalos)
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Subject: Standard C508A Freq Range
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I just purchased the Standard C508A dual band HT and would like to
know if anyone can tell me the receive frequency range for this radio.
I recall reading this information in some publication about two months
ago, but cannot remember which one.  The owners manual just goes into
the 2m and 70cm portions.  Thanks in advance for any help.  73.  Tony
--
Tony Kekalos, Alice Springs, NT, Australia
email:  [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <480kon$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Tony Kekalos) writes:
>I just purchased the Standard C508A dual band HT and would like to
>know if anyone can tell me the receive frequency range for this radio.
>I recall reading this information in some publication about two months
>ago, but cannot remember which one.  The owners manual just goes into
>the 2m and 70cm portions.  Thanks in advance for any help.  73.  Tony

You could just turn the knob and find out. :-)

When I do that on mine, band 1 covers 100-200 MHz (be sure AM detector
is on for aircraft frequencies), band 2 covers 300-400 MHz, band 3 covers
400-520 MHz, and band 4 covers 700-999 MHz, with a gap blocked for cellular
frequencies thanks to our ECPA law. You probably don't have that blocked on
yours. (Not that it matters, band 4 has zero image rejection and you can
just tune to the cellular image frequencies for a little illegal snooping
on your neighbors.)

Sensitivity is horrible outside the 2m and 70cm bands with the supplied
rubber dummy load, but with a Comet SMA-3 sensitivity comes up to a
respectable level across the entire range. The VCO may not lock at
some of the band edges. The display will blink when this happens.

I know of two mods for this radio. One unblocks cellular, but as I
noted that doesn't much matter anyway, and the other allows transmit
anywhere it will receive. Since that's also generally illegal here,
it's rather moot as well.

This radio is a neat toy, but the supplied manual is the worst I've
ever seen. Try reading it upside down from back to front. That may
make it easier to understand. At least it does include a block diagram,
which is more than I can say for the IC-706 manual. :-(

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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Subject: telephone gets AM radio station(s)
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I know this may not be the best group to post this to but I think someone
here may be able to help.  I recently moved to a new building and I can hear
a radio station in the background.  There is a radio station antenna about
1/4 of a mile from my new home and sure enough, that is the one I can hear
very clearly on my telephone.  I can sometimes hear another one but it is not
as strong and I don't know where their transmitter is located.  Anyhow, the
frequencies are 1230 AM and 1450 AM.  A guy from US West came over and tried
installing some filter that had dip switches to select different bands to
filter out but according to the way the dip switches needed to be set, the two
stations need ed different settings on the filter so he used another kind that
had no switches.  This helped but the problem is still there.  I tried a
ferrite coil in different locations on the phone line just before it reaches
the phone, I have also tried relocating the phone and using different phones,
all with no luck.
Does anybody have any suggestions.
Thanks so much.
Donald Larson
KC7EGB
Bozeman MT



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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
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[e-mail] (D. Larson) writes:

> I tried a
>ferrite coil in different locations on the phone line just before it reaches
>the phone, I have also tried relocating the phone and using different phones,
>all with no luck.

Get an AT&T filter and insert in in the line.  If that doesn't work, buy an RF
proof phone.  The FCC published a list of phones, but I don't know where
the list is today.  Try sending mail to [e-mail].  Maybe they saved it.

The other thing you may want to do is have an electrician come out and
inspect the home.  You may just have a bunch of junk phones.  See what
the neighbors are using, and borrow it.

The best advice is to never move within a 1/4 mile of an AM station.




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Subject: Re: The "I" man is a ham
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===========================================================================
 BBS: «« Project X »»
Date: 10/29/95 (05:31)             Number: 9741
From: K1OIK                        Refer#: NONE
  To: ALL                           Recvd: NO
Subj: The "I" man is a ham           Conf: (3916) rec.radio.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
K1+> @FROM   :[e-mail]                                            N
  +>I work at.....etc etc etc. The only time they say "we" is when they
  +>really mean "I."

K1+>In a contact see if a ham  E V E R  asks YOU about  Y O U .

You're right, Burt!  This is something we (grin) noticed years ago when
I started in CB (now wipe that grin off your face (chickle)).  I never
thought that I'd hear it again once I became an amateur operator!

I think the best line was from a trucker...
"We gotta go real bad, so I'm gonna jump out here at the rest
station"...  That's a trick & a half!  Two (or more of 'us') have to
"go", but it only takes ONE to do the business!?!?

73 - an' we'll catch you later!
Hey!  Put that knife down..  It was ONLY A JOKE!
---
 ■ SLMR 2.0 ■ [e-mail]/-\VA3JLR@VE3INF.#SCON.ON.CAN.NA


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The Ham was around when 11 meters was a ham band.  Been licensed almost
40 years and still have trouble dropping the imperial/editorial we......:-)
73
W7GSM

JIM RAMAGE ([e-mail]) wrote:
: ===========================================================================
:  BBS: «« Project X »»
: Date: 10/29/95 (05:31)             Number: 9741
: From: K1OIK                        Refer#: NONE
:   To: ALL                           Recvd: NO
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: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
: K1+> @FROM   :[e-mail]                                            N
:   +>I work at.....etc etc etc. The only time they say "we" is when they
:   +>really mean "I."

: K1+>In a contact see if a ham  E V E R  asks YOU about  Y O U .

: You're right, Burt!  This is something we (grin) noticed years ago when
: I started in CB (now wipe that grin off your face (chickle)).  I never
: thought that I'd hear it again once I became an amateur operator!

: I think the best line was from a trucker...
: "We gotta go real bad, so I'm gonna jump out here at the rest
: station"...  That's a trick & a half!  Two (or more of 'us') have to
: "go", but it only takes ONE to do the business!?!?

: 73 - an' we'll catch you later!
: Hey!  Put that knife down..  It was ONLY A JOKE!
: ---
:  ■ SLMR 2.0 ■ [e-mail]/-\VA3JLR@VE3INF.#SCON.ON.CAN.NA


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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Subject: Re: The "I" man is a ham
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Burt Fisher  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>>>Burt Fisher  <[e-mail] wrote:
>>>>>Hams suffer drom the "I" disease.

>>Burt fisher  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> I look like an idiot
   ^^^
>[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:
>>We know. Now try to say the above *without* using "I".

>You look like an idiot?

Heehee, nice job editing out your own attribution lines.
I put them all back where they belong.

No fair falsely attributing your comments to someone else!

Don't forget to eat some prunes, Burt.


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Subject: This Week in Amateur Radio #137 (for air through 11/17/95)
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Here is a summary of news items covered on edition #137 of
"This Week in Amateur Radio", North America's satellite-delivered
audio bulletin service, for the week ending 17-Nov:
-
1.   Shuttle Atlantis Scheduled for Lift-off with an All-Ham Crew
2.   Amateurs Aboard MIR Continue Making Station Improvements
3.   VE3ONT Will Not Be Operational for ARRL EME Contest
4.   Austrian Amateurs to Celebrate Millenium with Special Calls
5.   TAPR Expands Home Page Services for Internet Users
6.   R.A.D.I.O. Establishes WWW Home Page
7.   "Gateway 160 Meter Net Report" with Vern Jackson, WA0RCR
8.   "This Week" to Carry Live Telephone Call-in Segment Next Week
9.   Upcoming Special Event Stations with George Bowen, N2LQS
10.  NASA Successfully Launches New CalTech "SurfSat"
11.  "The RAIN Dial-up" from Chicago
12.  Weekly Propagation Forecast
13.  Major Geomagnetic Disturbance Detected by NASA Scientists
14.  "Amateur Radio Newsline" - Edition #952 from Los Angeles
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Funding for the program's transmission and production expenses was
provided this week by a grant from the AREC Repeater Group, of West
Palm Beach, Florida, which carries "This Week in Amateur Radio" on
the WA4HXZ repeater on 146.67 MHz, and heard in West Palm Beach,
Fort Lauderdale, Jupiter, and the Bahamas.  Satellite time and
uplink equipment have been provided by SKYVISION as a service to
the amateur radio community.
-
"This Week in Amateur Radio" is a weekly amateur radio news and
information service, in audio newsmagazine format, which is produced
by Community Video Associates, Inc., a New York State not-for-profit
corporation based in Albany, New York.  The program is carried on
the "Tech Talk Network" each Saturday at 8:00 PM (EST) on the
Telstar 302 commercial communications satellite, transponder 21
(11V), 5.8 MHz wideband audio (4.120 GHz), located at 85 degrees
west longitude in geosynchronous orbit, and can be heard on various
VHF/UHF repeaters throughout the United States and Canada, as well
as on 160 meters at 1860 kHz.  Contact your local amateur radio club
or repeater operator if "This Week in Amateur Radio" is not being
heard in your area.
-
Production and transmission expenses are underwritten by
contributions from repeater system operators, amateur radio clubs,
and individuals.  For further information, contact George Bowen,
N2LQS, at 518/283-3665, or Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB, at
518/664-6809.  You may also reach them via amateur packet @
WA2UMX.FN32AW.ENY.NY.USA.NA or on the Internet to [e-mail]
or [e-mail].


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From: [e-mail] (John Soo-Hoo)
Subject: Re: Unliscensed use
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In article <471i7m$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Nathan Ryan Gingras) writes:
>
>Just like you to blame everything on radio shack employees. Well, perhaps
>you shoud think before you speak...3 out of 4 employees at the radio
>shack I work at are Hams....In fact, I know alot of hams who work radio
>shack. Obviously you are basing your opinions of radio shack on a few bad
>experiences, or blaming us for things over which we have no control.
>Guess what these are symptoms of? Ignorance.

Uh huh, and in response to your post you are basing everything on a few
Radio Shacks that you are familiar with.  Tandy Corp.is ultimately responsible
for the actions of their employees.  Period.  True, the salesman behind the
counter wants to make a sale (do they work on commision?), but Tandy pays
that guy and while that guy is working behind that counter Tandy is
responsible for what that salesman says and does.  The only way Tandy is
going do something about it is if someone repeater trustee catches an
unlicensed operator using equipment with the RS label.  I dare say that
if that happens AND the guy who gets caught admits that the salesperson
told him that he didn't need a license, that Tandy could have a nice
lawsuit to contend with.  That's a lot of ifs, but should this scenario
come true, I for one will not feel sorry for Tandy/Radio Shack.
representative of Tandy while he is working.

>P.S. It's unlawfull to require an amateur radio license for the purchase
>of amateur gear, however illogical that seems.

This is true, but salesmen giving false information is also unlawful as well.
The whole point is not if salespeople represent the majority, but the fact
that individuals ARE giving false info out of ignorance or intentionally.

I too have had mixed reviews about the sales people at RS.  One guy didn't
know a license was required.  Another knew and wanted to sell me a bunch
of code tapes and books along with the radio.


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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: Unliscensed use
Date: 7 Nov 1995 21:38:14 -0500
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In article <47o0s9$[e-mail]>,
        Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:

>On what grounds?  It is perfectly legal to sell an amateur transceiver to
>an unlicensed individual.  As for "Uh...well...the guy at Radio Shack
>said I don't need a license", that would be his word against the clerk's,
>with no proof that the statement was made.

To get proof, all the trustee has to do is walk in and go through
the motions of buying a transceiver for non-amateur use, to see if
the HTX-202 gets recommended. Bring along a witness too.

Radio Shack deals with the mass public looking for electronics
equipment, they are not a specialty, niche store ala Ham Radio Outlet.
While it is certainly true that RS can sell an HTX-whatever to
whomever wants one, an argument can be made that since they deal with
the public at large they have a higher standard of performance when
it comes to informing people that a license to use the radio is
necessary, and their failure to do so is misfeasance, hence they are
liable for civil damages.

To analyze this further, we can involk the "reasonable man standard".
Is it reasonable that the average joe walking into radio shack would
know that a license is required to use an amateur radio? Is it
reasonable that the average joe walking into Ham Radio Outlet would
know that a license is required to use an amateur radio?

The answer to question #1 is probably "no", while the answer to
question two is probably "yes".

Hence, by not informing people that a amateur license is necessary,
Radio Shack is being negligent by *not* informing people prior to
a sale, hence the test for misfeasance is met.

I daresay that if a repeater trustee can track an unauthorized user
down, and that person admits they purchased the radio at RS, that
the repeater trustee has a damn good case to recover monetary
damages from RS.

MD

PS: Remember, as far as attornies go, you get what you pay for,
    so remember that you paid nothing for the above legal analysis.
--
--
-- "Who needs looks when you've got taste?"
--


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From: [e-mail] (Richard McAllister)
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Subject: Re: Unliscensed use
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In article <47p56m$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) writes:

>Radio Shack deals with the mass public looking for electronics
>equipment, they are not a specialty, niche store ala Ham Radio Outlet.
>While it is certainly true that RS can sell an HTX-whatever to
>whomever wants one, an argument can be made that since they deal with
>the public at large they have a higher standard of performance when
>it comes to informing people that a license to use the radio is
>necessary,

Here, I agree with MD (a rare occurrence!)  So does Radio Shack,
apparently, since they put a notice that a license is required in the
catalog, on the outside of the box the HT comes in, and in the instruction
booklet inside.  I haven't noticed that Yaecomwood ever do that.

It's certainly easy to believe that some RS salescritter has recommended
RS HT's for unlicensed use, but such is clearly counter to RS policy.

Whether the RS corporation should be liable for the actions of one
of their customers based on recommendations made by one of their
stores' employees against established company policy, I dunno.
Sounds a little far-fetched to me, but I guess a "good" plantiff
lawyer could convince a judge and jury.

Rich, KO6CL
--
Rich McAllister ([e-mail])


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From: [e-mail] (Val Breault)
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Subject: Re: Unliscensed use
Date: 09 Nov 1995 16:10:35 GMT
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In article <4757kt$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John Wagner) writes:

<bunch-o-stuff deleted>

> I think it  *IS*  RS's responsibility to help their customers select a
> product that suits their needs, whether it is a stereo, a cell phone, or a
> ham radio.  That is impossible if some of their sales people don't even
> know what these things are!

As a part-time Radio Shack employee and an extra class amateur radio
operator I think I may be able to offer some insight here.

At Radio Shack the sales persons are paid on commission.  It is in
their best interest to know as much about a product as they can in
order to maximize their takehome pay.  A commmon problem is the
product that won't 'stay sold'.  You can get someone to take the
product out of the store to get you off their back but it'll come back
the next day, or the same day at the Radio Shack 5 miles down the
road.  The process of sizing up the customer's need and matching it
with a product on the shelf is called 'qualifying' and is a part of
the basic sales training that your Radio Shack sales person should
have completed.

> Quite a few RS employees in my area are hams, so this problem isn't too
> bad, but for the benefit of the areas without this luxury, why can't RS
> require that all its people pass a simple 25 question test with topics
> like: "The main differences between HAM, GMRS, Business band, cellular,
> unlicensed 49MHz, and CB radio are...".  RS now sells all of these radios.
>
> My letter suggesting this is already on the way to
> [e-mail].

I'm not sure that's a valid address.  Anyhow the answer you'll get is
that it's already a part of the training process.

There are over a dozen self-study guides that cover such things as
telephone devices (phones, answering machines, caller-id, wiring),
home entertainment (stereos, equalizers, CDs, VCRs, satellite dishes
etc), communications (CB, amateur, commercial, antennas etc), hookups,
small parts, toys and games, computers, home security, auto-sound...
There's an open book test for each study guide.  In our district,
everyone is expected to complete the series with a passing grade on
each element.

There's a lot to learn. A person that isn't motivated to learn it will
sell fewer things and have a higher return rate.

In the Detroit area I've seen a high turnover among Radio Shack
employees.  I don't doubt this is a common problem.  Those folks that
aren't motivated enough to become good sales people will have poor
sales and quit because they aren't making enough money.  I'm not
boasting but I easily do $100/hour in sales and I get pretty rusty
working only a few times per month.  Most of the folks in the store
where I work do $200/hour. The money's there but only if a person is
willing to put the effort into learning the products and learning the
sales techniques.

Here's a suggestion: If you need to know something about a product
wait for the busiest person in the store.  The busiest person is often
the most knowledgable.  If you walk up to the guy that's leaning
against a display watching TV you'll likely get the poorest advice.


  John, N8CID
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        Unscuscribe



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From: [e-mail] (Bruce W. Forsberg)
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   I have just come out with a new version of my DOVE satellite
decoder program (V2.0). It will decode the telemetry data that comes
from the DOVE amateur radio satellite. In this release are numerous
bug fixes and some new graphing capabilities. It requires windows 3.1,
a packet TNC and a 2 meter rig. This program is FREEWARE and is
available from the following sources:

Internet FTP
   ftp.amsat.org    /amsat/software/windows/telemetry/dovedv20.zip

RadioSport BBS
  619-279-3921     dovedv20.zip

Mail
   In the US and Canada  send $1 and I'll provide disk, mailer, and
postage. Please specifiy disk size (5.25, 3.5) and send to:
    Bruce  Forsberg
    11178 Batavia Circle
    San Diego, CA. 92126





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From: [e-mail] (Brent AA9OO)
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I have a Radio Shack pro-24 handheld scanner that does 800 mhz is there any
mods for it?

Brent AA9OO


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From: [e-mail] (lou wasmund)
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[e-mail] (KK5EP) wrote:
>Anybody ever wire your place for 220 so you can hook up a linear?  HELP!
>73, Mike ([e-mail])
    220V wiring uses 2 circuit breakers to supply 2 110V  lines to a 220V receptacle.One common line also
runs fron the breaker box to the receptacle.Do not use standard 110v receptacles.You want a receptacle
rated for 220v use that there is no way one could accidentally plug a common household plug into!Check
your local code for correct installation,wiring and grounding guidelines.Use properly sized breakers.Use
correct size wire to avoid overheating and voltage drops (if long runs are involved) Again: consult your
local / state electrical code.  73 KE6LZS



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From: [e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth)
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On 5 Nov 1995 22:49:19 -0500, [e-mail] (KK5EP) wrote:

>Anybody ever wire your place for 220 so you can hook up a linear?  HELP!

Ah, yea. Unless you live in a strange area your house is already wired
with single phase 220, or 240, or 241 whatever it takes. (sorry... :)

Converting an existing outlet to 240 can be tricky. Most houses are
daisy chain wired with each chain going to more than one outlet or
light. Putting in new wiring is the best bet. Just use standard 3wire
indoor cable and put it in. White to one leg of the incoming, black to
the other leg, and the ground to the ground block. Be SURE that you
use an outlet that will not accept a standard 120 plug. You'll also
need to put in a ganged 220 breaker. You COULD use two single breakers
one on each leg, but i prefer the ganged type. It might even be a code
requirement. (if it isn't it should be!)

If all this confuses you call an electrical contractor. It might save
your life or your house from a fire. Don't play with it if you don't
understand how it works. Don't think that it's only house voltage,
it's no big deal. 120vac will kill you damn quick.

-be




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From: [e-mail] (Mark A. Downing)
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I am looking for people that might be interested in testing a radio control
program for Yaesu's FT900/FT890. I would also like to hear from those people
that have other Yaesu rigs, and would be interested in a windows control
program.

Btw, this program has limited logging features also. I need help in testing,
and also would like suggestions for additional features, etc.

If you are interested, please reply via email -> [e-mail]

73 de AC6PN

--Mark


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From: [e-mail] (Clark Savage Turner)
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Subject: Re: Antenna Restrictions
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jerry Gardner) writes:

>Clark Savage Turner ([e-mail]) wrote:

>: REASONABLE advice: Sure, pick up PRB-1. Get the PRB-1 packet from the
>: ARRL.  Then read Overbeck, Antennas and the Law, 1994 in June '94
>: CQ magazine for a realistic overview.

>Some more advice: don't attempt to preemptively beat the building
>inspector or planning commission over the head with PRB-1. Try to work
>with them first, and only dredge up PRB-1 as a last resort. I've found
>that inspectors and planning commissions resent people who attempt to
>bully them before trying to work with them.

Absolutely sound advice.  That is exactly what the Overbeck article will
show you.  Not only that it is good to "work with" them first, but
that PRB-1 does NOT carry real power anyway, and to use it as a threat
is, in many cases, a paper tiger and can get you in deeper than you
might wish to be.

Good luck!

Clark
WA3JPG


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From: [e-mail] (Brian R. Swann)
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[e-mail] (Steven D. Olson) wrote:

>There's a slight possibility that I might be moving to New Jersey within the
>next year.  Do not know what community, yet.  I am wondering how to easily
>find out what local antenna restrictions there are in any given community when
>beginning to house hunt.  Is there a particular municipal agency which, in
>most communities, can give that information quickly?  Are there realtors who
>are familiar with this issue?  Any basic advice would be helpful.  Please
>answer by email.  Thanks, Steve, [e-mail]
>Dr. Steven D. Olson
>Pastoral Counseling Center, Lutheran General Hospital
>1610 Luther La., Park Ridge, Il., 60068-1243
>fax:  [phone]    [e-mail] voice: 708-518-1800

Dr, I can recommend a WWW URL for you to look at:

http://www.hamweb.com/~sjl/STONER/ANTENNA.html

It contains several articles about antenna restrictions.

73, Brian WA1VUT



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From: [e-mail] (Joel B Levin)
Subject: Re: ARLB100 Morse requirement stays
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In <48an0e$[e-mail]>,
   Drew Durigan <[e-mail] (Drew Durigan)> wrote:
|Yep.  And "Citizens' Band" allows for operation on frequencies below
|30Mhz without requiring knowledge of Morse code.
|
|So much for the "we gotta keep the code due to international treaty"
|argument.

Please explain why this has anything to do with the amateur bands,
which is the only thing that the International Amateur Radio Union
and the morse code rules are concerned with.


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In article <48an0e$[e-mail]>,
Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Yep.  And "Citizens' Band" allows for operation on frequencies below
>30Mhz without requiring knowledge of Morse code.
>
>So much for the "we gotta keep the code due to international treaty"
>argument.

Very funny, but dont forget a VERY LIMITED anount of bandwidth, and,
5 watts legal max.


--
  +=================================+===================================+
  |Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT |[e-mail] |
  |Electronic/Computer Tech. @ OSU  |radio: n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam|
  +=================================+===================================+


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From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
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   [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:

>Question: wouldn't these operators be much more inclined to make the
>transition to legal, licensed operators if the Morse requirement was
>eliminated?

Just what we need - more CB'ers pretending to be hams.  ;)

73,

Jack  WB3U


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[e-mail] (michael silva) wrote:
>
>In <48an0e$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Drew
>Durigan) writes:
>
>>Yep.  And "Citizens' Band" allows for operation on frequencies below
>>30Mhz without requiring knowledge of Morse code.
>>
>>So much for the "we gotta keep the code due to international treaty"
>>argument.
>
>Geez, Drew, what *are* you talking about?  NOBODY said *all* HF
>services require CW ability "due to international treaty".  We're
>talking about international *amateur* regulations.
>
>Mike, KK6GM

This is true...but I see a serious problem with the international treaty
rules here.  Consider:

You cannot obtain a license and operate legally on 10-meters without
passing a Morse code test...but yet you can go into any truck stop and,
relatively inexpensively, purchase a radio and amplifier for outband 11-
meters that will allow you worldwide contacts with basically the same
propagation characteristics and no need for either Morse knowledge or
licensing of any kind.  Yes, I know that it's illegal...but the reality
is that several thousands of operators can be heard there whenever the
band is open and nobody seems to care.  Question: wouldn't these
operators be much more inclined to make the transition to legal, licensed
operators if the Morse requirement was eliminated?

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Callsign Question?
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In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Sam Alfano" writes:

> When does the "vanity callsign" program start?  Anyone know?

I guess we're waiting for OMB to approve FCC Form 610-V.  And they just
all went away on a new Federal holiday!  Perhaps before Christmas.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


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Is there a place where one can view a list of available calls for the Vanity
Callsigns program?


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From: [e-mail] (Richard Lubash)
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Subject: Re: code help
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In article <47vld1$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Richard Lubash) writes:

 I have been using Code Quick for about three weeks and find it much
 better than the dit-dah or farnsworth method. The sound alikes let you
 go from hearing a sound right to the letter or number as opposed going
 from sound-to dit-dah-to the letter. Speed increases seem much easier
 too.

 It still takes work (every day is a must if you dont want to
 backslide). I also recomend getting one of the shareware computer code
 practice aids (I use morse Trainer on my MAC) and make cassetts from
 the computer to play around the house and in the car for practice.

 Lots of Luck
 Richard
 N1VXW

> >Hello all.  After almost 30 years I have decided that it is time
> >to get back into ham radio.  I will need to learn the code again and
> >could use some advice.  I am considering getting some code tapes and
> >am looking for opinions on how useful they are.  I am looking at the
> >Code Quick tapes by Wheeler Applied Research Lab of Palm Desert
> >California and would appreciate comments, pro or con, from anyone
> >who has experience with them.  I would also like to hear of experiences
> >with other brands.  Other opinions would be gratefully considered.
> >Thanks in advance for any help.
> >
> >                             George Stratemeier
> >                             former WN3KOB


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From: [e-mail] (Kyle Cassidy)
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: >                                I would also like to hear of experiences
: > with other brands.  Other opinions would be gratefully considered.
: > Thanks in advance for any help.

i went the old fashioned way and got the gordon west tapes at radio shack
for about $15. they got me to 13 wpm in under a month (i did use a
computer code generator to make some practice tapes up) so they must
work. it was relatively painless too.

kc
kb2rvy

--
kyle cassidy
office of academic computing -- rowan college of new jersey
http://www2.rowan.edu/kyle/home.html



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:39:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kristin Rachael Hayward)
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In article <47rght$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (george) writes:
:Hello all.  After almost 30 years I have decided that it is time
:to get back into ham radio.  I will need to learn the code again and
:could use some advice.  I am considering getting some code tapes and
:am looking for opinions on how useful they are.  I am looking at the
:Code Quick tapes by Wheeler Applied Research Lab of Palm Desert
:California and would appreciate comments, pro or con, from anyone
:who has experience with them.  I would also like to hear of experiences
:with other brands.  Other opinions would be gratefully considered.
:Thanks in advance for any help.
:
:                             George Stratemeier
:                             former WN3KOB
:

Well, I guess it is about time that I acknowledge a deep debt to
Code Quick. In the early 70s I tried to master code, but I got
alsolutely nowhere. I tried for nearly 3 years, and just couldn't
get beyond a few characters a minute. Admittedly, I have a mild
form of dyslexia, but I figured if I could earn a PhD, I could
master morse code. Nope.

In the late 1980s I decided to try again, and discovered Code Quick.I
don't know if it is the sound-a-likes or the clever (?) pictures,
but whatever it was, I got from 0-20 wpm using only Code Quick,
a computer, and 6 minutes twice a day.

Kristin, WX9T



--
                     Dr. Kristin Rachael Hayward
    Director of Administrative Information Systems and Business Services
                        University of Maine
                http://www.umeais.maine.edu/~hayward


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From: Thomas  Brockdorf <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: code help
Date: 14 Nov 1995 17:33:25 GMT
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[e-mail] (george) wrote:
>Hello all.  After almost 30 years I have decided that it is time
>to get back into ham radio.  I will need to learn the code again and
>could use some advice.  I am considering getting some code tapes and
>am looking for opinions on how useful they are.  I am looking at the
>Code Quick tapes by Wheeler Applied Research Lab of Palm Desert
>California and would appreciate comments, pro or con, from anyone
>who has experience with them.  I would also like to hear of experiences
>with other brands.  Other opinions would be gratefully considered.
>Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>                             George Stratemeier
                              former WN3KOB


===========================================================

George,
I had a novice call (WN9LFZ) during the early 70's. I went 20
years before I got back in again.
I used the Gordon West code tapes.
I got my Tech-Plus in March 93, and by October 93 I had my Extra.
You will be surprised how fast the code comes back to you. It's
like riding a bicycle. You never forget. Good luck.

73 de Thomas AA9IS




From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:39:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Barnaby)
Subject: Confirming QSL's via internet
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I just swapped QSL cards via internet with WC0V for a QSO we had the
other day.  Just wondering... what with rising postal costs, etc, if
this method might be acceptable.  It was sure fun!

I used Micrographx Designer (Where I had the original artwork for my
printed card), and created an overlay mask for the QSO info, exported
it to a file  callsign.jpg and attached it to email.  Pretty simple.

As I read Section V Field Checking of QSL Cards , in the DXCC rules,
an Internet-confirmed card would not be disqualified.  Anyone read
differently?

-barnaby
AA1IB



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From: [e-mail] (Ron Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CQ on Repeaters.  Correct?
Date: 13 Nov 1995 17:50:56 GMT
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Avery Russell ([e-mail]) wrote:


: > But I rarely listen to 2m anymore anyway. It's too much like
: >the internet.

:
: And what is wrong with the internet? You are using it now aren't you?
: Avery

The net is much like CB. Occasional corners of friendliness, usefulness,
and utility amongst what is usually an overwhelming din of noise
and idiocy arriving from all points of the compass.

I use it for the corner cases :-)
As I do with repeaters and 2m.

Regards,
Ron Miller
NW0U


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From: [e-mail] (Steve Hilberg)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CQ on Repeaters. Correct?
Date: 15 Nov 1995 23:09:23 GMT
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In article <488s10$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>
>I've always thought:
>
>"Voice signs for voice work, CW signs for CW work"
>

Ditto.  I've only been a ham a year and a half, but use (and overuse)
of Q signals on voice (2m & 70cm in my case) drives me nuts.

Shortly after my son and I received our tickets in June of '94, our
family left on a cross country vacation (Illinois to California).  This
gave both of us, but especially my son (who was 12 at the time), a
great opportunity to use my new 2m mobile and get some on-air
experience.  As we traveled, my son would get on the air and say "N9XDD
listening, and looking for contacts."  He got 'em...enough to fill
several pages of a logbook.

Just another reason it was a great vacation.
______________________________________________________________________
Steve Hilberg                       *    /==
[e-mail]                     * *  x
N9XDC                               *
                           "Some people are weatherwise but
                           most are otherwise."



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From: "Joe F.  BV/N0IAT" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CT FILE NEEDED : CQWW.CTY
Date: 15 Nov 1995 11:56:31 GMT
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Hi Folks,

I could use an updated CQWW.CTY file for CT software.  Interested in CQWW
CW contest later this month and my version of CQWW.CTY is about a year
old  (last years 'test, as a matter of fact).

Anyone know a web site that carries an updated file or someone could send
it to me in ascii format?

thanks in advance for any help.

Joe
BV/N0IAT in Taipei TAIWAN R.O.C.

ex 7J1AOF   YU3/N0IAT    KA0ZDH
Licensed Radio Amateur since 1986




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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Speed-building on Mac
Date: 13 Nov 1995 21:17:17 -0800
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  I find that the trouble with the canned tapes and programs is that you
memorize them very quickly -- at least in part -- and your learning slows
down. By far the best method, I think, is listening in on HF to actual
conversations. I realize that not everyone here has access to a rig. But
if you can get to use one, the conversations:
  1) are always different, and
  2) remind you that there IS a real reason to learn CW: to talk with
other folks.
  Rig listening also reminds you that reception is rarely perfect, and
that sometimes you really have to strain to catch the code.

  Also: I find that sending CW also helps a lot. Again, if you have any
HF privileges, use them with a key. If not, buy or build a practice bug
and send as much as you can. Actually using the code, instead of just
transcribing it, is a lot of fun.

John Minger ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>,
: John Seney <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >In article <47rhht$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
: >(John Minger wrote:

: >> >Send Check or Money Order - Outside USA Send $40.00
: >> >All Orders Shipped within 48 Hours!

: >> >            John D. Seney |_|_|_|_| [e-mail]

: >> Come on John, this is getting a little old.
: >> I'd welcome the advertising here, but just not quite so
: >> much and so often.  Maybe you might like to add to the discussions
: >> that go on here without you.

: >> Just my .02 worth (is that Visa or Mastercard?)

: >> --
: >> John A Minger    KE6DTC

: >Hi John:

: >Maybe you're right. I won't post anything anymore - I'll just send EMAIL
: >to the specific person that asks the typical question of "where can I
: >find...."

: > 73, John D. Seney  [e-mail]

:   [above sigs edited to shorten post]

: Thanks.
: I didn't mean to kill off the whole thing.  I'm a Mac user myself and
: always used to read these posts for Mac software.  The only problem was
: that I kept seeing the same posting.  Maybe I'm the only one who thought
: so, since I haven't yet seen any other responses in the thread.

: 73,
: --
: ___________________________________________________________________________
: John A Minger    KE6DTC          Opinions expressed are those of the author
: Los Angeles, CA                  and not those of anyone or anything else.


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From: [e-mail] (Max77777)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Decoder for PC (RTTY, MORSE, etc.)
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Hi ,
 There is a program WXMAN. It's a dos program for converting weather
faxes.
I don't remember where it came from...probably AOL. I have yet to test it
on the air but the demo sounds like what you would hear over the radio.
 I have also used CWAVE for decoding morse but you almost need computer
generated code for it to translate with efficiency.
 Good luck hunting for these...I'll try to find the location too.
later........


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From: [e-mail] (norbert fund)
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Subject: Re: Decoder for PC (RTTY, MORSE, etc.) - wxman.txt [1/1]
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In article <Pine.SGI.3.91r.951110004020.10849A-100000@freenet>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>On 8 Nov 1995, Kurt Boutin wrote:
>
>> Ok, a friend of mine saw a program that someone had uploaded to
>> the net that would decode Morse, RTTY, etc. by connecting the line
>> out from your SW (or ham, or whatever) radio to the input of your
>> Soundblaster.  Has anyone seen anything like this?  Where?
>>
>I am very interested in the answer to this question, too.
>
>If I might be allowed to complain for a moment...
>Somebody asks about a RTTY/WEFAX/CW SoundBlaster decoder every few
>months.  And everytime the question gets asked, somebody answers that
>there is a program at SIMTEL called "WXMAN".  Well, I'm here to tell you
>right now that there IS NO program at SIMTEL called WXMAN.  And it isn't
>at Garbo. And it isn't at Funet.  And Archie searches never work right
>for me.  (If I'm wrong about this PLEASE let me know!)
>
>So, can anyone out tell us where WXMAN is?  If not, does anyone know of a
>good program for decoding RTTY, FAX, or CW using simply a radio and a
>SoundBlaster sound card?  Before you answer, please...
>
>1. Make sure the program you suggest is actually at the FTP site that you
>say it is at.
>
>2. Please give the name of the archive file at the FTP site, and the
>directories it can be found in.
>
>Sorry to sound so bitchy, but I really want to find one of these programs.



WXMAN20 exists DEFINETELY on

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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Disney World Repeater PL ?
Date: 11 Nov 1995 12:12:14 GMT
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In <cybertek-1011952330500001@204.97.18.179>, [e-mail] writes:
>Disney World Repeater PL ?

depends. some do, some don't (forget whether the Kissimmee/O'do area is on
103.5 or 107 something..)...UHF systems are PL'ed for sure.

however - if you've never been to the parks before and have the intent to just
go see everything, i'd tend to recommend that you leave the radios at the hotel
or behind...after a few hours that extra baggage starts to be heavy and you don't
have to worry about losing it someplace along the way...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



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From: [e-mail] (Rick H. Kennerly)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Disney World Repeater PL ?
Date: 11 Nov 1995 21:03:10 GMT
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I enjoyed several late night chats on the WDW repeater, mostly park
employees.  We were staying in the Wilderness trailers (a nice enough
experience, but I'll be back on the monorail line next time) and even had
some of the roadwarriors over in the airstream trailer park stop by.

However, there is no need for a n HT in the parks and, as the previous
poster mentioned, it just weighs you down.  Go & enjoy the magic.

Rick - NH2F




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In <4825d3$[e-mail]>,
   Burt Fisher <Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>> wrote:
[16 lines or so of irrelevant header snipped -- I think he beats out
ARRL bulletins here]

|What others say:

Here follows a four-month old reprint of someone's posting and his
response.  He must really be getting desparate for material.  And I
would really love to know why he felt he had to post it to so many
groups.  Geez, I think he's gone off the deep end (except I thought
he had already).  I mean, rec.roller-coaster?  rec.skiing?

Newsgroups trimmed.

|from unix.ccsnet.com by ccsnet.com with smtp
|Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 15:21:00 EDT
|From: Joe Esposito <[e-mail]>
|Subject:      Duh!

Says it all.



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[e-mail] (Bruce Micales) wrote:

>In the first instance, I am clearly stating as to why I want your name..I do
>keep a log of my contacts.  Also this information can be used for sending QSL
>cards.  All of this is quickly said by asking for your name for the log.
>However, I guess I could say "I would like to know your name because I am a
>nice guy,, I am keeping a log, and I might send you a QSL card".  Hmmmm, seems
>a bit to much.

You prove my point that hams could give a damn about YOU they want your
name for the LOG so they can get an impersonal QSL card. Frequently I
hear hams on repeaters ask for a name FOR THE LOG, and not even a log for hams
there. Explain?



>Hams are very personable otherwise you would not have FM voice, AM voice, SSB
>voice, or even ATV.
>Bruce Micales

Be serious.
On voice what PERSONAL things do they say?

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
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| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
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From: [e-mail]@*user@*site.*domain.org.org (Don Kirkman)
Date: 12 Nov 95 16:06:00
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From: [e-mail] (Don Kirkman)
Subject: Re: Do it for the log.
Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access

Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>To: Multiple recipients of list HAM-L <[e-mail]>

And countless others, it turns out :-)

>How many times have you heards folks say that they wanted the other
>guy's name, QTH, etc. for the log? My log couldn't care less about
>that information. Whenever I ask, it's because I want to know.

Hey, guys, why was this posted in puzzles, running, skiing, and half a
dozen other groups?  Ham related I can understand, but PLEASE look at
the cross-posted groups!

BTW, I picked this up in rec.running, but I always wanted the name
also--and of course I wrote it IN the log (where else, back in the old
pre-computer days?)  73.  N6IM

Don Kirkman           [e-mail]
Cerritos, CA
If I had a life I'd be having a mid-life crisis


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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.radio.amateur.misc
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Simpson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Well, it was at one time initialized correctly, and for several months
>has been giving "correct" (i.e., believable) readings.  I suppose it
>could have lost its initialization data.

To speed up initial satellite acquisition, many GPS units maintain the
time and last known position when turned off.  If you shut the unit
off, moved it a few hundred miles, and then turned it back on, I can
envision it getting confused in such a way that the types of
positioning error you encountered could occur.  It doesn't seem real
likely, but I guess it could happen.

I second the reinitialization idea.  It might work, and it's faster
than a trip to the factory.

-- John Kodis.


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From: [e-mail] (Ron Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: DON'T TRUST THAT GPS RECEIVER
Followup-To: rec.backcountry,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Date: 13 Nov 1995 16:17:53 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
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Joe Simpson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: This weekend I had a sobering experience with my (relatively new)
: Magellan Trailblazer XL.  Using map and compass, I hiked to a known
: location, a hilltop about a quarter mile from my camp, elevation just
: under 900 feet.  At the top of the hill, I got out the GPS and
: prepared to store the hilltop location as a waypoint.  After locking
: onto 5 satellites, the unit proceeded to tell me authoritatively that
: I was about 7 km southwest of my actual location, and that I was
: around 15,000 feet above sea level to boot!

I've seen this on a friend's GPS40. It was reading 15,000' altitude
and speed and heading that had no relationship to present or past
and it indicated very strong SV strength when inside the car with
a limited view of the sky.

Clearly it was FUBAR.

Friend was going to do a master clear on it and see if that helped.
(Don't know result yet.)
Previous symptom would be auto-shutdown of the unit as if it lost battery
power.


: So, in short, take that GPS unit with you, but don't forget the
: compass and map, and the skill to use them.

:   -joe

Yup.

Ron Miller
Tool User


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From: [e-mail] (srdjan dvornik)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: [e-mail]:Info-Ha
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your messages to [e-mail] could not be
delivered because they were too big. the size limit of our
network is 104.2 kb

sysop




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From: [e-mail] (srdjan dvornik)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: [e-mail]:Info-Ha
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message too long (>104.2 kb), cannot be delivered

sysop




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From: william@cortex (William Biggs)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: EARTALK
Date: 11 Nov 1995 23:33:22 GMT
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Bill Hindin ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Chris Smart ([e-mail]) wrote:
: :  >that also is a microphone?

: :  >Barry KB6CV

: :  Br> I've had one of those.  They work great and also have a good audio
: :  Br> quaility in the mic.  If you have a use for one I would recomend it.
: :  Br> I bought mine used and don't know where a new one could be obtained.

: : I'm not sure where to get one either, but wouldn't you get a lot of
: : strange looks walking down the street, appearing to be talking to nobody?
: : Depending on your neighborhood, I guess this could be seen as normal
: : behavior, but I sure wouldn't do it.

I have one that I bought from a manufacturer in New England. They have
ads in QST and CQ. It was about $39. Quality of audio both ways was
acceptable, but my ear canal must be just a little smaller than the
average person, as I could never get the thing to stay in my ear. It uses
one of those earbuds like the Nintendo Game Boy.  The PTT assembly can
clip to your belt. I ended up buying a Yaesu lapel mike that at least
would stay attached to my clothing.

A great item for the ski slopes , BTW !



--
William C. Biggs , MD
KC5JIF                            Howdy from the High Plains of Texas
1900 South Coulter Drive
Amarillo, TX 79106


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From: [e-mail] (Victor Morange)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FAQ for "Q" codes?
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 05:14:34 GMT
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[e-mail] (Bryan Weaver) wrote:

>Does anyone know of a FAQ giving all the CW "Q" sigs? Or do you have a list
>you could email to me?  Thanks & 73.

This is a question on a US tech or novice test, but a list can be
found in most license manual or other amateur radio handbooks or
operating manuals
Victor Morange
KO6ZK
[e-mail]
[e-mail] (Packet)



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FAQ for "Q" codes?
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:57:18 GMT
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Gary Watts <[e-mail]> wrote:



>You see I have to compile and print a list to decipher what the
>REAL Ham Radio Operators are talking about while they
>are on FM !!!!

Gary --

Wouldn't it be a gas to see what humorous definitions we could come up
with for the Q-sigs?

I'll start it off:

QLF -- Now try sending code with your Left Foot.

Jim



Jim Weir VP Engineering  | "We seem to be standing on
RST Engineering          |  the foreskin of technology."
Grass Valley CA 95945    | (Gen Chuck Yeager)
voice/fax [phone]   |
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From: [e-mail] (R. Wiley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dune,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Femdom In Search of Naughty Boys
Date: 12 Nov 95 04:59:23 GMT
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[e-mail] (Richard Iliffe) writes:

>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail](Anne Schoofs) says:
>>
>>
>>Seriously, this is a chance of a lifetime.  I want all you naughty boys
>>to contact me at once.  Do not delay.  Location is unimportant.
>>
>>Let me know how you've been naughty and what type of corrective
>>punishment you deem appropriate.  It's time we clean up the net.
>>
>>Anne


Transatlantic 900 numbers?  What next?


NE0R


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From: [e-mail] (Randall Hopper)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Form 610 on line?
Date: 12 Nov 1995 14:36:59 GMT
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[e-mail] writes:

>Is there a location on the net that one can download a form 610?
>I need to submit a change of address and have no idea where to
>get a form in my new location.

ftp://oak.oakland.edu/pub/hamradio/arrl/qst-binaries

Four files, one for each page.  These are digitized FAX sheets.

                                                Randall Hopper
                                                [e-mail]
                                                KD4VCR/AA



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:14 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS KNWD TM241A Sony SW55
From: [e-mail] (Chris Smart)
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1.  Kenwood TM241A 2m mobile, 5/10/50 watts, memory expansion unit
installed
 - less than one year old, with manual, original box, mobile mounting
 bracket, etc.
 LIKE NEW!
 Reason for selling:  I'm moving to 70 CM.
 These go for about $500.00 Canadian; make me an offer.  I'm looking for
 somewhere around $100.00 (Canadian) less then the new price, as this
 radio is in great shape and hardly used.

 2.  Sony SW55:  Portable Shortwave Receiver *Mint condition!*
  - 125 memories
   - 150 khz to 30 mhz continuous; plus FM broadcast band
    - am/lsb/usb narrow/wide filter, extremely sensative!
    Reason for selling:  As a blind person I find this radio unnecessarily
    difficult to operate, and want to move to a 2010.
     - comes with carrying case, all accessories, manuals, etc.
I'd like $355.00 Canadian for this *firm*; also barely used.
I would provide prices in US currency, but I don't have a calculator
handy.  If you're interested in either of these, let me know and I'll work
out the US prices.

Chris.  (Internet: [e-mail], Fido:  1:229/15, Phone (voice):
[phone])

.. 73, VE3 SHT.  19 years old, and licensed since June 15, 1987!
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From: [e-mail] (bruck)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ham classes in San Diego?
Date: 10 Nov 1995 03:08:41 GMT
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does anyone know of any classes offered in the San Diego Area
that help you get you tech or novice ticket.  If there are such
creatures let me know.  If not Are there any other ways to get help
learning the info other than by learning the entire question pool?






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From: [e-mail] (Dave Frandin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hamming in Las Vegas?
Date: 15 Nov 1995 01:45:47 GMT
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Greg Dolkas ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Well, folks,

: Here I am in Las Vegas attending the largest (?) geek show on the planet,
: and not only don't I hear any repeater activity, I couldn't even bring up
: any of the local repeater.  Except one, probably barely, and only from the
: 26th floor of a hotel.

: Is the ham community that dead in LV, or is all the QRM generated from all that
: prototype equipment wiping out any chance of reliable communication?

: Repeaters tried:
: 145.190-
: 145.300-
: 146.700-
: 147.090+ (got this one to ID once)

: Also scanned 440 band; nothing.

: None are listed with a PL.  Did that change?

: Greg.  KO6TH/7

You missed the main open 2m box in Las Vegas.. 146.880 -600 (it uses a
PL tone, but I forget which one..not a problem tho, since all you have to
do is listen until it id's and it will tell you the pl it needs) .. I don't
think you'd be saying "there's no activity" if you'd checked .88 .. It's
on one of the highest mtn's around (8100ft) and covers all of Souther NV
and a good part of Southeastern Calif (plus part of Northern AZ).. The other
boxes you mentioned are relatively lo-level and not a lot of use....

73 Dave WA6QNW

Will be up there tommorrow night myself.......




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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hams love this.
Date: 12 Nov 1995 23:03:15 -0500
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In article <48255n$[e-mail]>,
        Burt Fisher  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:
>
>>Don't forget to eat some prunes, Burt.
>
>Prunes---the main food of todays hams.

Prune Juice. "A warrior's drink" -- Worf.

MD
--
--
-- "Who needs looks when you've got taste?"
--


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From: [e-mail] (Tim English)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hams that have had sex.
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 01:18:37 GMT
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>[e-mail] wrote:


>>Wait, I'm a ham and I still enjoy having sex with my wife...
>>
>>Maybe just the older hams don't want sex...
>>
>>Tom Wyant - KB8UFJ


>You are a ham AND have (and even enjoy) sex?

>That is rare indeed.

>#================#=====================================================#
>|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
>| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
>|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
>#================#=====================================================#
>| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
>#======================================================================#


Hey wait a minute, I'm a ham and still want sex... just not with my
wife !



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:19 1995
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From: "Tony Stalls (K4KYO)" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Help Set up Traditional Elmering
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:45:50 -0500
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Our QCWA chapter is contemplating a traditional training program for
prospective hams.  By "traditional" I mean that we want to help students
pass amateur examinations by learning the subject matter rather than just
drilling them on correct choices from the question pool.

If you have any experiences, lesson plans, or other information that
might be helpful, I would appreciate your passing it along.

Thanks & 73,

Tony Stalls, K4KYO
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Gary McDuffie, Sr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help with NLA mounts
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 00:56:32 GMT
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On 14 Nov 1995 16:56:21 GMT, [e-mail] (David S. Curry
KG2EB) wrote:

>       Does anyone have any experience with NLA mounts.  I am putting one
>in in a week or so(with a little help from friends) and need to buy the
>thing.  Larson seem to make NLA mounts that are advertized as "snap in".  Is
>this the antenna snapping in?  I want to have a permanent antenna on the
>roof  all coax hidden in the headliner and such.  I realize that NLA mounts
>only require a 3/8" hole instead of the larger hole for NMO.  Is this "snap
>in" what I want?  Thanks in advance

I've used NLA mounts since the 60s.  Like others, they work well when
installed properly.  However, Larsen claims to be getting out of the NLA
business.  I have no idea, and its very disappointing.

The mount is what snaps into the 3/8" hole.  The antenna screws onto the
mount.

I know of some dealers who have decided to boycott Larsen because of their
decision.  You might check around and see who else makes an NLA antenna.  I
think Maxrad does, and is what some are switching to.  It's too bad, because
Larsen is the best antenna around, IMHO.  :)
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From: [e-mail] (Herb Rosenberg)
Subject: Help with Shack Grounding techniques?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dennis Peter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: HELP: I need a frequency jammer!
Date: 15 Nov 1995 08:28:57 GMT
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I need a frequency jammer! Is there a site on the WWW with a circuit
cookbook with this information?

My jammer must block frequencies between 40 and 45 MHz.
It can be low powered so it will affect those frequencies within a 10
meter radius.

If you have the design for such a device, please post it, or email it to me.

Thanks!

Den
---



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From: Keith Diehl <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to fix intermod?
Date: 15 Nov 1995 19:45:51 GMT
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>   [e-mail] (Steve Sampson) writes:
>  Jeff Wigal <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>  >When I travel through some areas of Seattle, my radio is bombarded with
>  >intermod interference (at least that's what I think it is)...
>
>>>>

Another method of reducing RX intermod is to attenuate the received signal. IM products will be
reduced by the actual attenuator value multiplied by the IM product order. That is, a 6 dB pad will
reduce a third order IM product by 18 dB. (Refer to Bell Lab's "Intermodualtion Interference in Radio
Systems" for more info)

Power attenuators that can simply be placed between the transceiver and the antenna can be
purchased fairly inexpencively from Bird, Trilithic, and others. (Experiment with variable attenuator,
then buy a useful value rated to handle your TX power.)

Keith Diehl -- Salt Lake City
http://www.xmission.com/~kdiehl


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to restore rusty sheetmetal cases?
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 95 13:57:23 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,

>Perhaps some of you out there are experienced at sheetmetal repair...
>What should I do to end up with a "like-new" finish?

I have the same problem with a piece of gear that I stored in my
basement for five years.

The only solution I know of is to strip it and then either have it
sandblasted (to remove the rust) or use naval jelly and sandpaper.
Finally, fill the pits and imperfections with Bondo, sand it smooth,
and have it sprayed.

Just don't ask me how to Bondo a perforated cabinet.  I haven't gotten
that far yet.  :)

73,

Jack  WB3U


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How to restore rusty sheetmetal cases?
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:04:20
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I have an old piece of radio gear that I'd like to restore.  The insides of
the unit are no big deal to fix.  The main problem is that the panels of the
steel case have a lot of surface rust, from 15 years of storage in a coastal
Florida garage.  When I buff out the rust, I expect to have a pitted surface.

Perhaps some of you out there are experienced at sheetmetal repair... What
should I do to end up with a "like-new" finish?


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From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kanok Chantrasmi)
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Subject: HS8SEA
Date: 12 Nov 95 09:54:14 GMT
Organization: ucsd usenet gateway
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 07:46:47 +1100 (EST)
From: [e-mail]


               HS8SEA

       CQ zone 26, IOTA AS#101

    This Callsign will appeared during SEANET Convention 1995.
SEANET is South East Asia Net, Which meet nightly at 14.320 MHz +/- at 1200z

    This year, We plan to setup both station to operated on Satellite
and HF band during SEANET convention at Ko Samui, THAILAND.

        Period: 17-19 November 1995

        Calls : HS8SEA

        Bands : Especially on Lowband (3.5 MHz) and HF
              : Satellite AO-10, AO-13, All RS satellite,
                MODE B ,**Will try to QSY MODE S**

        Mode  : CW, SSB, RTTY, PACKET, AMTOR, ...

        QTH   : Ko Samui <Samui Is. IOTA AS#101>
              : Lat 9.5 N.
              : Long 100.0 E.

        QSL   : Will be announced when on the air.

     Sponsors : Radio Amateur Society of Thailand Under the Royal Partronage
                of His Majesty the King. (HS0AC, HS50A)

              : Radio Amateur Society of Suratthani (HS8AS)

**This station is not a DXpedition Station. It is operated by all of
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Please help us to distribute this message over another news providers.

73's
Chawalit, HS1GOS
Internet : [e-mail] -or- [e-mail]
FAX during SEANET : + 66 77 424 019   ATT:Chamlong (HS1AAM)


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                                FAX: [phone]
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From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore~)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,uk.radio.amateur
Subject: Re: IC706
Date: 12 Nov 1995 03:39:18 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation, Chandler, AZ
Lines: 10
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <483q96$[e-mail]>
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In article <47td9r$[e-mail]>,
Thomas  Brockdorf  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Don't be worried about buying the 706. It is an excellent radio!
>I got mine last week, and I love it.

After the xmit open mod, will it transmit on 47 MHz? A Red-Cross
friend of mine wants to know.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore~)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,uk.radio.amateur
Subject: Re: IC706
Date: 14 Nov 1995 16:00:17 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation, Chandler, AZ
Lines: 11
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <48aeeh$[e-mail]>
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In article <483q96$[e-mail]>,
Cecil A. Moore~ <[e-mail]> wrote:

>After the xmit open mod, will it transmit on 47 MHz? A Red-Cross
>friend of mine wants to know.

Mike, N5AQM, answered the question for me. FYI, above 54 MHz, the IC706 will
not transmit on anything except 144-148 MHz. It will transmit on any frequency
below 54 MHz.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Karl Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,uk.radio.amateur
Subject: Re: IC706
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:19:04 -0500
Organization: Mot RNSG - Private Data
Lines: 34
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <CSLE87-1511950919040001@145.39.1.10>
References: <47n930$a3k$[e-mail]> <47td9r$[e-mail]> <483q96$[e-mail]> <48aeeh$[e-mail]>
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In article <48aeeh$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Cecil A. Moore~) wrote:

> In article <483q96$[e-mail]>,
> Cecil A. Moore~ <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >After the xmit open mod, will it transmit on 47 MHz? A Red-Cross
> >friend of mine wants to know.
>
> Mike, N5AQM, answered the question for me. FYI, above 54 MHz, the IC706 will
> not transmit on anything except 144-148 MHz. It will transmit on any frequency
> below 54 MHz.
>
> 73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)

Cecil, you might want to pass along a reminder to your co-worker:

The national headquarters Communications Group of the American National
Red Cross strictly enforces the ANRC policy of compliance with the FCC
rules; this includes Type Acceptance of all radio equipment used on ANRC
frequencies.  "483q96$[e-mail]" is seriously jeopardizing
his ANRC status as either volunteer or professional staff.  At the same
time he puts at risk both the ANRC local chapter radio license and his own
amateur license.  The IC706 does NOT meet the FCC's technical requirements
and is not permitted by ANRC.
--
Karl Beckman, P.E.                <    If our English language is so   >
Motorola RNSG Pvt Data            <  precise, why do you drive on the  >
Schaumburg, IL  /  Parma, OH      <  parkway and park on the driveway? >
Amateur radio WA8NVW                       NavyMARS NNN0VBH @ NOGBN.NOASI
** Opinions expressed here do not represent the views of Motorola Inc. **
By sending unsolicited commercially-oriented e-mail to this address, the
sender agrees to pay a $100 fee to the recipient for proofreading services.
--


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:30 1995
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From: Warren Elly <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ICOM IC-575a
Date: 14 Nov 1995 14:25:09 GMT
Organization: CyberGate
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To: Sale

Looking for offers on my MINT IC-575a 10watt 25-60mhz allmode
transceiver. Earlier unit w/ passband tuning on front panel,
250hz cw filter, 115v ac / 12v dc built in. Service and Owners
manuals. Accessory cables for footswitch & linear amp.
Asking $1500. Let's email.
73, Warren Elly Tampa,FL
[e-mail]



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:31 1995
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From: Warren Elly <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ICOM IC-575a
Date: 14 Nov 1995 14:26:12 GMT
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To: All

Looking for offers on my MINT IC-575a 10watt 25-60mhz allmode
transceiver. Earlier unit w/ passband tuning on front panel,
250hz cw filter, 115v ac / 12v dc built in. Service and Owners
manuals. Accessory cables for footswitch & linear amp.
Asking $1500. Let's email.
73, Warren Elly Tampa,FL
[e-mail]



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:32 1995
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From: Warren Elly <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ICOM IC-575a
Date: 14 Nov 1995 14:26:48 GMT
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To: rec.radio.amatuer.misc

Looking for offers on my MINT IC-575a 10watt 25-60mhz allmode
transceiver. Earlier unit w/ passband tuning on front panel,
250hz cw filter, 115v ac / 12v dc built in. Service and Owners
manuals. Accessory cables for footswitch & linear amp.
Asking $1500. Let's email.
73, Warren Elly Tampa,FL
[e-mail]



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:33 1995
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From: Warren Elly <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ICOM IC-575a
Date: 14 Nov 1995 14:28:06 GMT
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Looking for offers on my MINT IC-575a 10watt 25-60mhz allmode
transceiver. Earlier unit w/ passband tuning on front panel,
250hz cw filter, 115v ac / 12v dc built in. Service and Owners
manuals. Accessory cables for footswitch & linear amp.
Asking $1500. Let's email.
73, Warren Elly Tampa,FL
[e-mail]



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:34 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: International Reply Coupons
Date: 11 Nov 1995 22:06:00 GMT
Organization: Exec-PC BBS - Milwaukee, WI
Lines: 7
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To: all

John...
I just bought 36 IRCs two weeks ago.  They were valued at $1.05 ea.

73,
Jim Taylor
jptaylor@execpc,com



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Nathan Ryan Gingras)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Is All-Mode worth it?
Date: 12 Nov 1995 04:22:06 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Is it worth the extra $ for a 2/440 all mode rig?


Nate, KB9LSX




From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Is All-Mode worth it?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <483spe$[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 06:01:08 GMT
Lines: 12

In article <483spe$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Nathan Ryan Gingras) writes:
>Is it worth the extra $ for a 2/440 all mode rig?

No, but if you want to work SSB you've got to pay it anyway.

Gary

--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Leigh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is All-Mode worth it?
Date: 13 Nov 1995 01:51:54 GMT
Organization: RAIN Public Access Internet (805) 967-RAIN
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Nathan Ryan Gingras ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Is it worth the extra $ for a 2/440 all mode rig?

While I would not put such an expensive rig in my car, I've had a lot of
use out of my own VHF all-mode gear.  Last summer I was lucky enough to
catch a rare 2 meter sporadic-e opening, and I was able to work Colorado
and New Mexico from my California QTH, on 144.200, using 25 watts of SSB
and CW.  Such openings on 2 meter FM are even much rarer.

--Leigh/KM6JE.



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is All-Mode worth it?
Date: 13 Nov 1995 11:07:54 GMT
Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG
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>Is it worth the extra $ for a 2/440 all mode rig?

Well,

Is amateur radio worth it? Anyway, my personal view is that an
all mode rig is not worth the extra cost, just get a ssb/cw rig
or transverter for serious VHF/UHF work. Other mileage may vary.

73, Moritz DL5UH





From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Kenwood list server??
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 08:21:20 UNDEFINED
Organization: Amateur Radio Station KJ7BS
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Does anyone know of a list server that has Kenwood related stuff on it?
How about somewhere I can go to find a list of list servers?




From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:38 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Kenwood TM241A SOLD
From: [e-mail] (Chris Smart)
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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 95 11:24:00 -0500
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The Kenwood is sold, but the Sony SW55 Shortwave receiver is still for
sale.

.. 73, VE3 SHT.  19 years old, and licensed since June 15, 1987!
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12


PGP 2.6 public key available upon request!



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:39 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!castle.nando.net!news
From: [e-mail] (Walt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Kenwood TS-440 Computer Interface
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 00:23:10 GMT
Organization: News & Observer Public Access
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Greetings,

Just bought a Kenwood TS-440... No Manual.
I am interested in using it with the computer interface.  Does anyone
have info on what IC's are required inside the unit?

Does anyone have a manual I can buy??

Thanks, 73 Walt
email = [e-mail]



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: License burnt - where to get replacement ???
Date: 13 Nov 1995 17:42:07 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, Mass.
Lines: 15
Message-ID: <48801f$[e-mail]>
References: <47kdu9$[e-mail]> <47o3vb$[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
NNTP-Posting-Host: geeky.mitre.org

In article <47o3vb$[e-mail]>, John Mullan  <jmullan> wrote:
>Did your wallet survive, and did you put a copy of your license in your wallet?
>If so, make a copy and send it with a 610 requesting a replacement. If you
>don't have a copy, give a call to the nearest FCC office and ask their advice.
>

You folks HAVE taken the novice exam, right?  You must have, at some point,
read the part about sending the FCC a letter explaining what happened to
the license being all you need to do for a replacement.

--
| Dean Cookson / [e-mail] / [phone]| DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730 |Kot NML,B,KotLD2 / DW 2|
| "I'm going to just stick my face in the bowl and   |'92 VFR750F/'94 Jeep YJ|
|  suck." --Ms. Margo / Disclaimer? What disclaimer? |       DoDHS #1        |


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Live Reports From Comdex available at http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm
Date: 11 Nov 1995 22:25:01 GMT
Organization: Virtual Publishing Co.
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I'm headed off to Comdex, the huge computer trade show and exposition in Las
Vegas NV (Nov 13-Nov 18). I'll be there on behalf of my employer so they get to
direct my time for the most part - but given some free time, I'll post some
online reports of any neat technology that I run across. I'm hopeful to see
some wireless data type systems being demo'd.

Anyway, you'll find the reports (*If* I can get online access and everything
works out as hoped) at our free Ham Radio Online virtual magazine. Take a look
at http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm (yep, missing the "l" for what
are now obscure reasons).

Thanks and enjoy, 73,
Ed, KF7VY



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary, DJ0MEQ)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: logging software
Date: 12 Nov 1995 19:19:23 GMT
Organization: CompuServe Incorporated
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>>  Would like to hear recs for the best
shareware and commercial programs under dos as well as
windows.  I'm more interested in a regular log (with
awards ability) than contest logs. <<

Dear OM David,

I'm sold on Logic4.  Their support is great and their product is superb.  Their award tracking is especially good and can be customized for any award you

Although it will work with 4MB RAM, 8 or 12 is better.  With 4 MB RAM, it is was very slow for me.

Check out their WWW page:

          http://www.hosenose.com/

73 de Gary, DJ0MEQ in Hamburg



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Larry Botkin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: logging software
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:12:48 GMT
Organization: [e-mail]
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[e-mail] (Gary, DJ0MEQ) wrote:

>>>  Would like to hear recs for the best
>shareware and commercial programs under dos as well as
>windows.  I'm more interested in a regular log (with
>awards ability) than contest logs. <<
>
>Dear OM David,
>
>I'm sold on Logic4.  Their support is great and their product is superb.  Their award tracking is especially good and can be customized for any award you
>
>Although it will work with 4MB RAM, 8 or 12 is better.  With 4 MB RAM, it is was very slow for me.
>
>Check out their WWW page:
>
>          http://www.hosenose.com/
>
>73 de Gary, DJ0MEQ in Hamburg
>


Gary;

     I looked at the www page you cited and could not find any
reference to Log4.  Please clarify the web page for me.  I have been
looking for a good logging program dor what seems like forever.
I was beginning to think I was too picky.
thanks
Larry  NV9D
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Subject: Marconi's daughter, Princess Elettra Interview!
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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Subject: Marconi's daughter, Princess Elettra Interview!
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 20:56:49 GMT
Organization: Ham Radio & More Show
Message-ID: <488bg7$[e-mail]>

Princess Elettra Marconi will be the special guest this Sunday, 11-19-95, on
the nationally syndicated Ham Radio & More Show. Don't miss this special show
where Princess Elettra tells what her dad was really like, what is was like
growing up with him, and whatever else you want to ask. The toll free listener
call-in number is 1-800-298-8255. The show airs live on over 60 stations
nationwide on the Talk America Radio Network, also available via satellite, on
tape delayed on WWCR shortwave.
73,
Len, KB7LPW

Len Winkler, KB7LPW                           [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                                   [e-mail]
Phoenix, Az. 85068-9219
Ham Radio & More Show info at:
http://www.barc.org/barc/ham-more.html
The show airs LIVE at 6:00pm ET, 2300utc, Sundays on the Talk
America Radio Network in over 62 cities. Check WWW page for list.
The show also airs on WWCR shortwave, Saturdays at noon ET (1700utc) on 12.160, and Mondays at 1000utc on 7.435.
Also, LIVE on C-band satellite....Spacenet 3, Transponder 9, 6.8 audio.
Support "WOG". Written only General!!!






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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
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Subject: Marconi's daughter, Princess Elettra Interviewed!
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 21:04:40 GMT
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Princess Elettra Marconi, daughter of the pioneer, will be the special guest
this Sunday, 11-29-95, on the nationally syndicated, Ham Radio & More Show.
Listen to find out what her father was really like, other members of the
family, what it was like growing up in the family of a pioneer, and whatever
other questions the listeners call in to ask. The toll free call-in number is
1-800-298-8255. The show airs live at 6:00pm ET. See sig below for additional
info.
73, Len

Len Winkler, KB7LPW                           [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                                   [e-mail]
Phoenix, Az. 85068-9219
Ham Radio & More Show info at:
http://www.barc.org/barc/ham-more.html
The show airs LIVE at 6:00pm ET, 2300utc, Sundays on the Talk
America Radio Network in over 62 cities. Check WWW page for list.
The show also airs on WWCR shortwave, Saturdays at noon ET (1700utc) on 12.160, and Mondays at 1000utc on 7.435.
Also, LIVE on C-band satellite....Spacenet 3, Transponder 9, 6.8 audio.
Support "WOG". Written only General!!!






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From: [e-mail] (Kyle Cassidy)
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Peter Lemken ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Al Gerheim, N4QN, spewed:


: >> condemned is strapped to a wooden chair, electrodes are attached, and
: >> a shock of 30,000 watts is applied. The prisoner is literally cooked
:                     ^^^^^

yes, it's the ever-popular 'death by sterio'. although it's tricky, i was
once at an Iron Maiden concert that boasted 175,000 watts of power and i
survived. i was, however, consigned to a seat near the back. i suppose
many up front were probably killed.

kb2rvy
(ob-radio anybody have an idea what one should pay for a helicrafters
S118 reciever?)

--
kyle cassidy
office of academic computing -- rowan college of new jersey
http://www2.rowan.edu/kyle/home.html



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Smathers)
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Subject: Microsat 150 - was: Re: INTERESTING NEW WWW PAGE
Date: 12 Nov 1995 19:19:45 GMT
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Ed Sims <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>Has anyone had hands-on experience with the Microsat 150?

yep!

I own one!

My review is still a slow work in progress, but I'll answer
questions here.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Robert Smathers "Keeper of THE `bible'" ([e-mail]) Albuquerque, NM
Robert's Satellite TV/Baseball page: http://www.nmia.com/~roberts/
Sky-Scanner Extraordinaire!    Proud owner, 2 of (by far!) TODYWEN!
Satellite Services Guide Manager & Co-Monitor, SATELLITE TIMES magazine
  * My views do not necessarily represent the views of my employers *


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From: [e-mail] (Harry Yingst)
Subject: Mods for Icom IC-736
Date: 9 Nov 1995 23:52:06 GMT
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From: [e-mail] (Harry Yingst)
Subject: Mods for Icom IC-736
Date: 9 Nov 1995 23:52:06 GMT
Organization: Knighted Computers
Message-ID: <47u476$[e-mail]>

Does anyone have any mods for the ICOM IC-736?  I'm looking for a way to
turn the pre-amp back on below 1.6 Mhz.
 Icom turns it off even though it the light says it's on.
 I would like to listen for some lowfer stations 1750 meter band
 (160-190 kc. 1 watt into a 50 ft antenna).  I'm also looking for a way to
improve the recieve audio.
 The recieve audio sounds flat and distant, lacking highs & lows.
 With the notch filter ON the audio sounds a little better,
 but it still could use some improvement.
 They re-shape the audio through the notch filter,
 and it actually has a nicer sound with the notch filter on
 (Has more highs & lows).
 I had a IC-737 that had the same problem with the audio,
 just not sounding quite right.  I am also interested in any other mods
for the Icom IC-736.  Please send any replies to [e-mail] Note:
If you post a reply into this newsgroup I proably wont get it,
      my internet provider only holds news for 1 day.  Thank You.  Harry
N6VUJ








































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Subject: Motorola HT-220
From: [e-mail] (John Palinkas)
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Are Motorola HT-220 Handie-Talkies of any value for ham radio?
Thanks John KB8YTB   [e-mail]
---
 ■ OLXWin 1.00a ■ I'M %JH3 TAGFILE

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|_|_| PC-OHIO PCBoard OIS      pcohio.com      HST 16.8: 216-381-3320
|_|_| The Best BBS in America  Cleveland, OH  V34+ 33.6: 216-691-3030
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From: [e-mail] (Don Montgomery)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Motorola HT-220
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John Palinkas ([e-mail]) wrote:
> Are Motorola HT-220 Handie-Talkies of any value for ham radio?

These handhelds used to be the envy of every VHF/UHF fanatic back in the
early days of ham FM.  However, their usefulness has diminished with the
advent of the newer handy-scratchies; the Radio Shack HTX404 outfeatures
a UHF HT220 many times over.  The main advantage the Motorola has is rug-
gedness and battery economy (in terms of current consumption, not price).

If you already have one, and only hang out on a couple of channels, they
work great.  That, and they're repairable in case of a fall from a 100-
foot tower.

Don Montgomery, K6LTS
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (charles copeland)
Subject: Movie Maker Logo and CW
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 17:46:20 GMT
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There was a movie maker (ex. MGM ...) about 50 years ago that
presented a radio tower as a logo at the start of each film.
As the logo was shown a CW message was heard.

What was this company?

What did the CW message state?



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From: [e-mail] (Gary McDuffie, Sr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Movie Maker Logo and CW
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 04:51:17 GMT
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On Sat, 11 Nov 1995 17:46:20 GMT, [e-mail] (charles copeland)
wrote:

>There was a movie maker (ex. MGM ...) about 50 years ago that
>presented a radio tower as a logo at the start of each film.
>As the logo was shown a CW message was heard.

>What was this company?

Correct me if I'm wrong.... I think it was RKO

>What did the CW message state?

Same ...   R K O
 _____                       _____ _____ ___ _____
|   __|___ ___ _ _    ___   |  _  |   __|   |   | |
|  |  | .'|  _| | |  |___|  |     |  |  | | | | | |
|_____|__,|_| |_  |         |__|__|_____|___|_|___|
              |___| [e-mail]



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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Movie Maker Logo and CW
Date: 12 Nov 1995 11:22:07 GMT
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[e-mail] (charles copeland) wrote:
>There was a movie maker (ex. MGM ...) about 50 years ago that
>presented a radio tower as a logo at the start of each film.
>As the logo was shown a CW message was heard.
>
>What was this company?

RKO


>What did the CW message state?

CQ?

Or was it CQ DX?

Or was it CQ SS?

Or was it CQ TEST?



#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




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From: [e-mail] (Steven K. Smith )
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Subject: Re: Movie Maker Logo and CW
Date: 12 Nov 1995 16:10:10 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (charles
copeland) writes:
>
>There was a movie maker (ex. MGM ...) about 50 years ago that
>presented a radio tower as a logo at the start of each film.
>As the logo was shown a CW message was heard.
>
>What was this company?
>
>What did the CW message state?
>
I think it was RKO pictures. As far as the CW.... ???


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From: [e-mail] (James Aeschliman)
Subject: Re: Movie Maker Logo and CW
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Gary McDuffie, Sr.) says:

>On Sat, 11 Nov 1995 17:46:20 GMT, [e-mail] (charles copeland)
>wrote:
>
>>There was a movie maker (ex. MGM ...) about 50 years ago that
>>presented a radio tower as a logo at the start of each film.
>>As the logo was shown a CW message was heard.
>
>>What was this company?
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong.... I think it was RKO
>
Close.  It was RKO Pictures.
>
>>What did the CW message state?
>
>Same ...   R K O
>
R K O  P I C T U R E S - and the CW was syncronized to the letters
showing up on the screen.
--
Jim Aeschliman                      [e-mail]
Black Diamond, Washington           KD7MK


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From: [e-mail] (Tom Griffin)
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[e-mail] (Bill Nelson) wrote:

>Please people, don't post all sorts of responses to this spam - it will not
>do any good.  What will work is sending a complaint to [e-mail],
>including the complete article.
>
>You will find that the person will have a severe "talking to" by the
>administrator - if the account is not pulled. Most universities have
>a statement in their user agreement that such posts are illegal and
>ground for immediate account revocation.
>
>Bill

No sooner said than done.

Tom



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:40:58 1995
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From: Wayne Jones <wjones.hgea.org>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need Copy of QST
Date: 15 Nov 1995 03:57:10 GMT
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Check with your local public library, particularly in the larger cities.
Most have the microfilm/microfiche copies from day 1.

Aloha from the 50th State!
Wayne, NH6GJ




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From: Avery Russell <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need Help! Traveling around the country.
Date: 12 Nov 1995 14:46:48 GMT
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I'd go for the business band. You can even purchase used commerical
equipment at what is called a hamfest. Find some ham operators in you
neck of the woods and have them tell you when the next one is. You don't
really need to purchase new equipment for this.
Good luck
A.



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From: Avery Russell <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need Help! Traveling around the country.
Date: 12 Nov 1995 14:47:04 GMT
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I'd go for the business band. You can even purchase used commerical
equipment at what is called a hamfest. Find some ham operators in you
neck of the woods and have them tell you when the next one is. You don't
really need to purchase new equipment for this.
Good luck
A.



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:41:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert E. Garland)
Subject: Re: Need ideas for ham radio mini class
Sender: [e-mail] (News Posting Phantom User)
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[e-mail] (Dave Mensing) writes:

>I have been asked to prepare and teach a ham radio mini class at our
>church. The class will consist of about 5 or 6 kids in the 4th, 5th
>and 6th grade. The class will run one night a week (1 hour per night)
>for 5 weeks.

>I would like to hear from anyone that has any suggestions as to how I
>might structure such a class. What sort of activities would be
>appropriate for this age range? I've got some ideas but would like to
>hear from you folks, too.

>Thanks,
>       Dave Mensing, N2PSH, [e-mail]


Dave:

Before you go any further, take a look at what you said.  You are talking
5 hours total for the class.  Decide what you wish to accomplish first.
This should help you avoid false starts.  If you are only planning on
performing demos, showing a videotape or two and generally building
enthusiasm, then 5 hours should be more than enough.  If you plan to work
toward licensing, then you may wish to think a bit about this.
Certainly, with study outside of your 5 hours, most kids could make it
through the novice and technician written elements.  The question is what
to do during the 5 hours.  You don't have enough time to both build
enthusiasm and assist in license work.

I wish you success.




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From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
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Subject: Re: New Radio Shack 2 mtr mobile
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In article <48058h$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim Weir) writes:
>If the question is by newsgroup, the return post should be by newsgroup.

I disagree.  That is completely against the traditions and accepted
etiquette of Usenet news.

***********************************************************************
* The responses should be directed by e-mail to the person asking the *
* question, who should then post a summary of the responses.          *
***********************************************************************

That is the correct way to do it.

Please consult the various 'network etiquette' documents for more details.
        - Brian


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Hosler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 08:39:34 +0000
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I think your attitude about wanting to learn CW is refreshing
given the "I want the spectrun but don't think I should have
to earn it" attitude.  Have you looked into 2 meter CW?  If
you want to work DX there is plenty of it.  Ask any local
VHF/UHF operator about working scatter or EME.  Both modes
lend themselves very well to CW.  Have you looked into the
CW activity via one of the orbiting "birds"?  Lotsa CW
there as well.


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From: Bill Bennett <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!
Date: 14 Nov 1995 16:37:52 GMT
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Hans Brakob <[e-mail]> wrote:
Let's petition for 10m priveleges.
K0HB wrote:
The FCC is bound by ITU radio regulations
Question doesnt Japan have a no code license with hf access? 10 watts
bill
kc6yox



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From: Thomas  Brockdorf <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!
Date: 14 Nov 1995 17:21:33 GMT
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[e-mail] (Nathan Ryan Gingras) wrote:
>
>
>Think about what having 10 meter priveleges would do for no-code hams!
>
>10 meter gear is easier to build than vhf/uhf gear, 10 meter priveleges
>would let no-code licensees 'get their feet wet' in HF, while still
>reserving lower HF bands for Code licensees. This way, people will have a
>reason to learn code: To allow them to make more regular, more distant
>contacts.. Right now techs are unable to see how exciting HF is, and
>therefore are crowding the 2 meter band.
>Learning code will be easier if people can have qso's before taking their
>code exam. The only code you ever hear on 2m is repeater id's....
>
>If you'd like to contribute to this posting, please do so. Also:
>
>Petitions:
>Let's petition for 10m priveleges. organize local Amateur clubs, hand out
>fliers... WRITE the fcc. Talk to anyone, and EVERYONE... tell them what
>you think about the advantages of no-code 10 m, and let's see what kind
>of difference we can make!
>
>
>73's,
>
>
>
>
>Nate Gingras, KB9LSX

Nate,
I think it would be a good idea to give no-code Techs 10m. I also
would not be opposed to access to all H.F. bands for no code.
I think this will happen some day, but not for quite a few years.
People would be better off putting their energy into up-grading,
rather than fighting to get more privlages. It is really not that
hard! It is very possible to get your General with only a month
or two of study. Even less if you are really determined. All the
testing is really just memorization now. Even learning CW is just
a matter of memory. It used to be much harder, as you probably
have heard.
Great strides have allready been made to make it easier to get
more people into this hobby.
You have allready put the effort in to get your Tech license. All
it takes is a little more, and you will be a General.

73 de Thomas AA9IS




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From: Hans Brakob <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!
Date: 14 Nov 1995 22:41:40 GMT
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Bill, KC6YOX asked:

>>Question doesnt Japan have a no code license with
>>hf access? 10 watts
>>bill

Yes, they do. It allows low power (I think your figure of 10W
is correct) voice operation on some small slices of a couple
of HF bands (75 & 15??).

Their rule is based on the idea that at such low power the
operation is "national" (no DX) and thus avoids conflict
with the international rule.

The equipment manufacturers love it!

--
73, de Hans, K0HB
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From: [e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore~)
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Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!
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In article <488frn$egp$[e-mail]>,
Hans Brakob  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>The FCC is bound by ITU radio regulations (basically an
>international treaty) which limit no-code licensees to operation
>above 30MHz.

Hmmmmm... doesn't seem quite fair that the CBer's and the Japanese no-coders
have privileges denied to US no-coders.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


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Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!
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Really people - we are talking about 5 dinky words per minute. My buddy's
seven year old picked it up in about a week. I think given a fair shot my
little pussycat could do it.
I don't know, maybe we should reduce the speed requirement to 3 wps.
N1MSV
--






                 ..as for the mysteries of the
                Universe...they knew them not...


  And in the time of their visitation they shall shine, and run
  to and fro like sparks among the stubble.

  gareth     e-mail    [e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Victor Morange)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 05:20:02 GMT
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[e-mail] (Nathan Ryan Gingras) wrote:



>Think about what having 10 meter priveleges would do for no-code hams!

>10 meter gear is easier to build than vhf/uhf gear, 10 meter priveleges
>would let no-code licensees 'get their feet wet' in HF, while still
>reserving lower HF bands for Code licensees. This way, people will have a
>reason to learn code: To allow them to make more regular, more distant
>contacts.. Right now techs are unable to see how exciting HF is, and
>therefore are crowding the 2 meter band.
>Learning code will be easier if people can have qso's before taking their
>code exam. The only code you ever hear on 2m is repeater id's....

>If you'd like to contribute to this posting, please do so. Also:

>Petitions:
>Let's petition for 10m priveleges. organize local Amateur clubs, hand out
>fliers... WRITE the fcc. Talk to anyone, and EVERYONE... tell them what
>you think about the advantages of no-code 10 m, and let's see what kind
>of difference we can make!


>73's,




>Nate Gingras, KB9LSX
For one thing you'll probably have an easier time trying to get 5wpm
in code instead of waiting about 5-7 years for the ITU to even
consider this. If you want to stay no-code but want a little DX, try 6
meters CW and SSB you'll get the experience of HF and you might be
able to work on your code at the same time.
ITU rules say:
An amateur operator must have a code requirement given by its country
to operate below 30 mhz.

Anyway 10 meters isn't all that great unless there is a contest for
the next 2-3 years until the sunspot goes up


Victor Morange
KO6ZK
[e-mail]
[e-mail] (Packet)



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From: [e-mail] (Randy Seacat)
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Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!
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Ten Meters has been awsome the last week.

Worked Vk/Zl/Du/Kh6/Lu/H4 and a Ua on sunday frm my qth. 100 watts and a
vertical dipole.

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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!
Date: 15 Nov 1995 17:11:47 GMT
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Hans Brakob <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Bill, KC6YOX asked:
>
>>>Question doesnt Japan have a no code license with
>>>hf access? 10 watts
>>>bill
>
>Yes, they do. It allows low power (I think your figure of 10W
>is correct) voice operation on some small slices of a couple
>of HF bands (75 & 15??).
>
>Their rule is based on the idea that at such low power the
>operation is "national" (no DX) and thus avoids conflict
>with the international rule.

Sounds like the Japs need to take a crash course in "Propagation 101!"

I have talked around the world with 5 watts out of my car.  The reality
here is that the Japs have once again pulled the wool over our eyes and
created a no-code class of HF license!

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM




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From: [e-mail] (Mark Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:23:52
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In article <485ns1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Nathan Ryan Gingras) writes:
>Think about what having 10 meter priveleges would do for no-code hams!

>10 meter gear is easier to build than vhf/uhf gear, 10 meter priveleges
>would let no-code licensees 'get their feet wet' in HF, while still
>reserving lower HF bands for Code licensees. This way, people will have a
>reason to learn code: To allow them to make more regular, more distant
>contacts.. Right now techs are unable to see how exciting HF is, and
>therefore are crowding the 2 meter band.
>Learning code will be easier if people can have qso's before taking their
>code exam. The only code you ever hear on 2m is repeater id's....

>If you'd like to contribute to this posting, please do so. Also:

>Petitions:
>Let's petition for 10m priveleges. organize local Amateur clubs, hand out
>fliers... WRITE the fcc. Talk to anyone, and EVERYONE... tell them what
>you think about the advantages of no-code 10 m, and let's see what kind
>of difference we can make!

You're a few weeks too late. The WRC-95 World Radio Conference apparently
debated this issue and decided that, for now, the amateur community would
continue to require proficiency in Morse for operating privileges below 30
MHz. Unless the US is to abrogate the treaty under which we participate in the
WRC (not likely, since it requires an act of Congress, that can't even get a
budget passed), the FCC's hands are tied.

Right now, I doubt the FCC is answering its phones anyway. I suspect that
they're not on the list of "essential services" under the current gov.
shutdown.

73
Mark Johnson WB9QLR/0
============
Mark Johnson                       USnail: Symbios Logic, Inc
E-mail:  [e-mail]          OEM RAID Business Team
Voice: [phone] [V+654-8189]         3718 N. Rock Rd.
Visit our web page: http://www.symbios.com Wichita, KS  67226


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From: "Joe F.  BV/N0IAT" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!   no thanks !
Date: 15 Nov 1995 11:53:08 GMT
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no thanks....just go take 3 weeks and learn the code. Then you can use 10
meters, 15 meters, 40 meters, and 80 meters.

73,  Joe

BV/N0IAT in Taipei, TAIWAN R.O.C.


QRV 18.078 daily
South East Asia net  14.285 daily
Inter Pacific Island DX net  14.165 daily





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From: [e-mail] (ALLEN SKLAR)
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Subject: Re: OLD RADIO TUBES
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Hi,
 A good sourse for tubs is
   Antioue Electronic Supply
   6221 S. Maple Ave.
   Tempe Arizona 85283
  Ph# voice 602-820-5411  fax [phone]
     800-706-6789
they do have a 36 page catalog... hope this helps

de Allen AA7BJ
--


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>   [e-mail] (BOB BARBER) writes:
>  Does anyone know of a source for old radio tubes? I have a GE console
>  model that dates back to the 30's. It needs a tube to make it work.
>  Thanks. If this is the wrong newsgroup for this message pls advise me
>  of the correct one.  :)
>
>
>  Bob Barber
>
>   * 1st 2.00 #8117 * Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.
>
>>>>
CALL SND TUBE SALES ST LOUIS MO  314-770-0119 MIKE


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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
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Subject: Re: OLD RADIO TUBES
Date: 15 Nov 1995 16:57:27 GMT
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In article <48c19u$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>   [e-mail] (BOB BARBER) writes:
>>  Does anyone know of a source for old radio tubes? I have a GE console
>>  model that dates back to the 30's. It needs a tube to make it work.
>>  Thanks. If this is the wrong newsgroup for this message pls advise me
>>  of the correct one.  :)

>>  Bob Barber

>>   * 1st 2.00 #8117 * Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.

>CALL SND TUBE SALES ST LOUIS MO  314-770-0119 MIKE

There are lots of old tubes available at swap meets and
Hamfests.  Hams never throw anything away.  ;-)

--
___________________________________________________________________________
John A Minger    KE6DTC          Opinions expressed are those of the author
Los Angeles, CA                  and not those of anyone or anything else.


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From: [e-mail] (Neal McEwen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Old Timers, Need key parts
Date: 11 Nov 1995 10:06:20 -0600
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Hello Gang,

  I've got some key / bug restorations going and need a few parts to finish up.

1. Bunnell Gold Bug -- need the circuit closing lever and mounting hardware.
2. Signal Electric Semantic -- need the pendulum stop post.
3. Electro Bug -- need weights.
4. Levinson Radio "Like-A-Flash" -- need finger pieces, binding posts.

   Would buy parts off your junkers or buy your junkers for the parts.


  I am looking for old Vibroplex bugs for my collection.  Also interested
in off-brand bugs, hand keys and pre-1920 telegraph instruments.  Will
purchase or trade my duplicates.  Email for my list of duplicates for trade.
--

73 de K5RW     - Neal McEwen                    - Richardson, TX (Dallas)
  ******** I collect old telgraph and wireless telegraph keys  *********
HomeNet        - [e-mail]           - OS/2 tcp/ip SLIP
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From: [e-mail] (Mirko Caserta)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Panasonic RF-65b Rcvr mods info pse
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 21:43:46 GMT
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Hi you all there,
I owe a commercial Panasonic receiver. Model is RF-65b. I can receive
SSB from 3.8 to 26.7 MHz on the SW coverage (it goes also on MW and FM
88-108). During my last travel to Ireland I saw a receiver exactly
like the one I owe, but the coverage on SW was 1.5 to 29 MHz, so I
think the model I've got does not cover this wider range due to
italian laws. So I think that with a simple modification (usually it
simply is a diode, as TH-78 users know well...) I can let it cover
this wider range. I have tried all the ways to find out how to modify
it, but still today I have found no reply to my question! Could anyone
of you help me to solve the mistery? Thanks beforehand. 73
____________________________________
Mirko Caserta IK0ZSN, SWL I0-5252/RM
  E-mail: [e-mail]
AX25 net: [e-mail]
I QRP Club #172



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From: [e-mail] (Bill Turner)
Subject: Re: Phoney-netics
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My favorite phoney-netic is the ID used by one of the locals here:

K-seven-seven-seven.


73, Bill W7LZP
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (R. Wiley)
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Subject: Re: Police radar, was he lying?
Date: 12 Nov 95 05:06:18 GMT
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.

Police radar is a sales tool. It is analogous
to the "testers" carried by water softener
salesmen and the computers insurance sales-
men use to show how under insured you are.

"Dukes of Hazzard" fans remember Roscoe
clocking cars with a hair dryer.



NE0R


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DA>: 1.  The simplest solution is to drive the speed limit!

DA>: 2.  The one time in recent years I have been pulled over I was driving a
DA>: grey station wagon (Volvo)

DA>Chip, I hope you still drive that Volvo. Because if your running along any
DA>major interstate at 55mph you gonna get a metal enema real soon. Get real,
DA>the most dangerous speed I can think of driving is the speed limit on
DA>an interstate. If you must do this, please keep right.

DA>--

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True, driving 55 on most major highways is certanly dangerous.  I've
tried it.  Quite often I like to sit back and enjoy the scenery and do
the speed limit but found it just to dangerous.
As for getting fewer tickets with different cars, that is true.  I often
break the limit in my teal green pickup and almost never get stopped,
but my sister with her red mustang going about the same speed on the
same
road and she gets tickets all the time



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From: [e-mail] (charles copeland)
Subject: POST YOUR BEST SSTV RX'd PICS ON THIS THREAD!
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I have recieved a bunch of SSTY pictures on my SW radio (Sony 2010)
with HAMCOM and JVFAX.  Some have been incredibly clear.

Since there is no rec.radio.amateur.sstv.binaries, these newsgroups
seems appropriate.




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From: [e-mail] (charles copeland)
Subject: Re: POST YOUR BEST SSTV RX'd PICS ON THIS THREAD!
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In article <[e-mail]>,
charles copeland <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have recieved a bunch of SSTY pictures on my SW radio (Sony 2010)
>with HAMCOM and JVFAX.  Some have been incredibly clear.
>
>Since there is no rec.radio.amateur.sstv.binaries, these newsgroups
>seems appropriate.

A pretty girl in a bikini on poolside.

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From: [e-mail] (Brian R. Swann)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Question to radio engineers about SINAD
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:48:22 GMT
Organization: Brown University
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[e-mail] (WA6AWD) wrote:


>It is a way of measuring FM receiver sensitivity.  It means SIgnal plus
>Noise And
>Distortion.  A signal generator is modulated with a 1-KHz tone at 2/3
>system
>deviation.  This signal is fed into the receiver under test at a high
>signal level
>where the receiver is receiving the signal with no noise at all.  The
>output of the
>audio stages are supposed to be set at rated audio output.  The audio
>output
>from the receiver is fed into a device that has an audio notch at the
>1-KHz tone
>frequency.  At this point the output level is measured in dB.  Then the rf
>output
>from the signal generator is reduced to where the receiver is starting to
>have
>noise mixed with the 1-KHz audio output.  At the point where the audio
>output
>goes up 12 dB because of the noise from the low amount of received signal,
>that
>is where the rf output is noted in microvolts or decibels.  A good
>receiver in the
>150-MHz region might have a 12 dB SINAD reading of 3 microvolts, or about
>-117 dBm.

>I hope this helps.

>Alan - WA6AWD - Kent, WA

You are mostly right about SINAD, except for the part about measuring
it.  SINAD is a measurement (as you correctly point out) of the ratio
of signal to signal + noise + distortion.  For the purposes of the
measurement, the 1 kHz tone is the "signal".  Everything else (white
noise, harmonic distortion, etc) is "noise and distortion".  So the 12
dB figure that is used as the EIA standard for SINAD sensitivity
refers to a 12 dB difference between the signal alone, and the
composite of signal + noise + distortion.

The signal + noise + distortion component is easily measured as the
total of audio input to the SINAD meter.  The signal part is the
difference between that total, and the measurement of the same signal
with the 1 kHz notched out.  The ratio can then be computed, and
displayed in dB.

Your method of measurement compares the "full quieting" level of the 1
kHz tone to the degraded level, which would be higher.  The problem
with this method is that your reference measurement includes
distortion in the receiver, which is one of the things you want to
measure.

Also, I think you were missing a decimal point - typical sensitivity
is 0.3 microvolt for 12 dB SINAD.

Brian Swann
WA1VUT
[e-mail]
(the day job is Field Engineer for a large manufacturer of 2-way radio
equipment, but I don't speak for them in this instance.)




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From: [e-mail] (James A Doty)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack VOX headset
Date: 14 Nov 1995 17:26:04 GMT
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Vincent D'Elia ([e-mail]) wrote:
> Does anyone have experence with one of these things. I tested
> one using a scanner to receive and it seems to have worked fine.
> I using an FT-470.
> Also has anyone seen another headset that does the same thing.

> Vince
> KC6ISS

I bought one shortly after I bought my HTX-202.  I like mine quite a
bit.  It works well on my HTX-202 and my girlfriend's Icom O2AT.

I've seen other vox headsets at HRO near Portland, OR. but they cost
twice as much as the one I bought at Radio Shack.

The VOX headsets at HRO might be better constructed though.

James A. Doty



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Por primera vez veo un cross-posting que valio
la pena.
Ojala que este tipo de informacion (calidad)
continue.
Raul



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From: [e-mail] (Fred R. Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ramsey FX440
Date: 12 Nov 1995 04:42:05 GMT
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In article <47mnku$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Has anyone out there received satisfactory results with the Ramsey
>FX440 transceiver kit? ...I'm going to start troubleshooting
>the rig this week (I hope), and will keep any interested parties up to date.

I built one when it first came out a few years ago.  No workee.  I sent
it back to Ramsey, who made MAJOR modifications (the early boards
had a lot of changes from later ones, and mine was way early).  Still
no workee, even after John Ramsey himself did the mods!  It's now
shelfware.  :-(
--
Fred R. Goldstein   k1io   [e-mail]   [phone]
Opinions are mine alone; sharing requires permission.



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (phil reed)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: READ THIS!
Date: 13 Nov 1995 03:00:19 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>.
>
>This looks like a chain letter to me. I responded to
>the poster, with a copy of the post, and mentioned that.

Well, not only did I respond to the poster, I'm forwarding a copy
to the IRS. I'm sure they will be interested in any income
generated by this letter but not claimed on their tax form.


--
                        ...phil

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From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Conkln)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Repeaters masking tones
Date: 13 Nov 1995 05:20:56 GMT
Organization: Colossus Internet Services
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In article <47vob6$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (John Wagner) wrote:
>In article <47r7nf$4a@lambchop>, Ron Thompson  <[e-mail]>
>wrote:
>>>I was recently experimenting with code squelch on some local
>>>repeaters.  I found that ALL the repeaters I tried fail to
>>>transmit the tones.  I thought code squelch would be great to
>>>facilitate quiet standby, but it's going to be pretty much
>>>useless if it doesn't work through repeaters.
>>>
>>>Does anyone know why this happens? Are there any ways around
>>>it?
>
>I agree that this make coded squelch pretty useless, but it reduces the
>hacker factor on repeaters.
[snip....]

I think the first gentleman may have referred to passing CTCSS/PL/CG or
DPL/DCS tones through repeaters, although "coded squelch" can certainly fit
either DTMF or CTCSS formats (or any of the dozen pager formats for that
matter).

As for CTCSS tones, most repeaters do not pass these through for one of
several reasons: 1) most modern plastic radios lack adequate audio filtering
to prevent the tones being *very* audiable and annoying through the speaker-
especially consdiering that most of these same radios have fixed encode
deviation levels of more than 800hz.
2) Some repeater systems are multisite (diversity reception, or 'split-site'
with receiver and transmitter at different sites) and employ radio links that
themselves use CTCSS or DCS for squelching.  Filtering of the initial tone
presented at the receiver is neccessary before tone is added to the link
transmitter or nasty sounds occur, or worse yet the decoder becomes totally
baffled and remains squelched.
3) If the repeater requires a single CTCSS tone to activate- passing the tone
is of little use for selective calling: everyone uses the same tone!  (And, no
the trustee cannot reasonably add multiple tone decoders without serious
expense or time, and a lot of excessive ratty wiring in the cabinet- plus this
totally defeats the purpose of CTCSS's use as a co-channel interference
minimizer).

A lot of repeaters (at least around here...) filter the tone after the
receiver, and then reencode it directly into the modulator.  That way there is
a controlled 500hz deviation, no massive swings in deviation due to poorly
maintained radios.  A 4066 used as an audio gate works great for this, and of
course can be activated by carrier activity on the repeater receiver or by
CTCSS reception on the receiver (or both!).

73


Chris Conklin
Amateur Radio station N0PAV
[e-mail]


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Knupke (CS))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Repeaters masking tones
Date: 15 Nov 1995 17:48:52 GMT
Organization: University of South Florida
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Brian Kantor ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Most repeaters don't repeat sub-audible tones because they aren't
: designed to.  In the commercial world, either the tone is regenerated
: or is fed through via a special 'tone coupler' device.

: You might find a repeater with such installed.  They're rare though,
: especially on carrier-squelch repeaters.

It is becoming more popular for repeaters to transmit a sub-audible tone
of their own if they are carrier access.  Several repeaters around the
St. Pete/Clearwater area do that.

Some of the 440 repeaters that require a tone, transmit the same tone.
Several repeaters around here have had a squelch tail elimination
modification (done on Motorola Micor radios) that utilize transmitting a
tone.

Paul

--
 ==================================================================
 Paul Knupke, Jr.                  /  Pinellas County ARES Asst. EC
 [e-mail]      /         Pinellas County Skywarn
 Largo, FL USA                   /               Fidonet 1:3603/570
 Amateur Radio Callsign KR4YL   /    Packet @N4CNW.#TPA.FL.USA.NOAM
 ==================================================================



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (WB3U)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine
Subject: Replies to Burt Fisher are Spamming the Net
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 17:37:40 GMT
Organization: Microserve Information Systems (800)-380-INET
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To all readers:

Please check the "Post To:" or "Newsgroups:" listing in your
newsreader before responding to Burt Fisher.  He is spamming many
groups with his posts and your followups are doing the same.

Thanks,

Jack


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:12 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Rules of ham DUMB.
Date: 11 Nov 1995 21:42:40 GMT
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Ham operator Jokes:

1.  What is the thinnest book in the world?
    What hams know about women.

2.  How does a ham take a bubble bath?
    He eats beans for dinner.

3.  What's a ham's idea of foreplay?
    A half hour of contesting.

4.  How can you tell if a ham is sexually excited?
    If he's still breathing.

5.  How many hams does it take to change a roll of toilet paper?
     We don't know...it has never happened.

6.  What's a ham's idea of helping with the housework?
     Lifting his leg so you can vacuum.

7.  What does a ham consider a seven course meal?
     A hot dog and a six pack of beer.


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:13 1995
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From: "Dennis A. Mason" <damason>
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Subject: Re: Rules of ham DUMB.
Date: 12 Nov 1995 03:09:03 GMT
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well burt sounds like you are very educated.



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From: [e-mail] (Randol D. Williams )
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Subject: Re: Rules of ham DUMB.
Date: 12 Nov 1995 03:21:00 GMT
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In <4835cg$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:

>
>Ham operator Jokes:
>
>1.  What is the thinnest book in the world?
>    What hams know about women.
>
>2.  How does a ham take a bubble bath?
>    He eats beans for dinner.
>
>3.  What's a ham's idea of foreplay?
>    A half hour of contesting.
>
>4.  How can you tell if a ham is sexually excited?
>    If he's still breathing.
>
>5.  How many hams does it take to change a roll of toilet paper?
>     We don't know...it has never happened.
>
>6.  What's a ham's idea of helping with the housework?
>     Lifting his leg so you can vacuum.
>
>7.  What does a ham consider a seven course meal?
>     A hot dog and a six pack of beer.

What kinda beer?  Can or bottle?


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:15 1995
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From: Dave Hockaday <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Rules of ham DUMB.
Date: 13 Nov 1995 02:19:37 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
>In Article<485olj$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> write:
>> Path: castle.nando.net!news
>> From: Dave Hockaday <[e-mail]>
>> Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amate=
ur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
>> Subject: Re: Rules of ham DUMB.
>> Date: 12 Nov 1995 21:24:03 GMT
>> Organization: News & Observer Public Access
>> Lines: 12
>> Message-ID: <485olj$[e-mail]>
>> References: <NEWTNews.816104817.1257.amsoft@486dx4_120> <4835cg$[e-mail]> <483p6s$[e-mail]>
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: grail512.nando.net
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>> To: [e-mail]
>> Xref: castle.nando.net rec.radio.swap:47712 rec.radio.shortwave:61743 rec.radio.scanner:27055 rec.radio.amateur.space:5081 rec.ra=
dio.amateur.policy:29534 rec.radio.amateur.misc:88528 rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:10278 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:18962 rec.radio.a=
mateur.digital.misc:10944 rec.radio
>amateur.antenna:15344
>>
>> >>7.  What does a ham consider a seven course meal?
>> >>     A hot dog and a six pack of beer.
>> >
>> >What kinda beer?  Can or bottle?
>>
>> That is a question that deserves some serious consideration. I thought it
>> sounded like the perfect meal (I would require 2 hotdogs, though). Throw
>> in some chips and you're living good :-)
>>
>> Dave WB4IUY
>>
>So Dave, What do you do on the weekends???
>Chris KC4YLE

Partake of perfect meals, for one :-)...
WB4IUY



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:16 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!ns1.win.net!bjohns!bret
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Bret A. Johnson)
From: [e-mail] (Bret A. Johnson)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 17:55:12 GMT
Subject: Shuttle #2
Lines: 21

Hello all,

I  have gotten STSLPUS and a city file for it that has one city that is
about 25 miles away from me.

I am tring to find out my long and lat so I can plug that in to the
program. Does anyone know where I can find this info?

Also, Since the shuttle did not go up till this moring (SUNDAY)
Where can I get the  2 element file with the lift of and orbit paths?

Yes, I am new to this as you cn tell...

I have my 2M receiver setup on 147.45 simplex to here it.
But, Need the updated elements to get the closes pass to me..


Is there newsgroup or web/ftp site that has all this info?

Thanks....




From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:17 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!mhv.net!bbs.mhv.net!Thomas.Randall
From: [e-mail] (Thomas Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Shuttle #2
Date: 13 Nov 1995 01:42:25 GMT
Organization: MHVNet, the Mid Hudson Valley's Internet connection
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Bret A. Johnson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hello all,

: I  have gotten STSLPUS and a city file for it that has one city that is
: about 25 miles away from me.

: I am tring to find out my long and lat so I can plug that in to the
: program. Does anyone know where I can find this info?

: Also, Since the shuttle did not go up till this moring (SUNDAY)
: Where can I get the  2 element file with the lift of and orbit paths?

: Yes, I am new to this as you cn tell...

: I have my 2M receiver setup on 147.45 simplex to here it.
: But, Need the updated elements to get the closes pass to me..


: Is there newsgroup or web/ftp site that has all this info?

: Thanks....


    For now use the file of the city close to you. 25 miles isn't all
that big of a difference really. For this and future Mir docking missions
just track on MIR since the shuttle is moving towards her. Orbital data
for the shuttle changes rather quickly on these missions.

   Get on the shuttle elements e-mail list to keep up to date.
Send the message subscribe shuttle-elts
       to:

[e-mail]


Also, listen to 145.840....That's the amateur radio dowlink for
shuttle/Mir docking missions.

Tom - KB2SMS



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:18 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!pb2esac!jaminge
From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Shuttle #2
Date: 13 Nov 1995 18:52:11 GMT
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In article <4867q1$[e-mail]>,
Thomas Randall <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Bret A. Johnson ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : Hello all,

> : I  have gotten STSLPUS and a city file for it that has one city that is
> : about 25 miles away from me.

> : I am tring to find out my long and lat so I can plug that in to the
> : program. Does anyone know where I can find this info?

> : Also, Since the shuttle did not go up till this moring (SUNDAY)
> : Where can I get the  2 element file with the lift of and orbit paths?

> : Yes, I am new to this as you cn tell...

> : I have my 2M receiver setup on 147.45 simplex to here it.
> : But, Need the updated elements to get the closes pass to me..

> : Is there newsgroup or web/ftp site that has all this info?

Yes, there is a newsgroup: rec.radio.amateur.space
> : Thanks....

[snip]

>   Get on the shuttle elements e-mail list to keep up to date.
>Send the message subscribe shuttle-elts
>       to:

>[e-mail]

>Also, listen to 145.840....That's the amateur radio dowlink for
>shuttle/Mir docking missions.

73,
--
___________________________________________________________________________
John A Minger    KE6DTC          Opinions expressed are those of the author
Los Angeles, CA                  and not those of anyone or anything else.


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:19 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Dolkas)
Subject: Re: Shuttle #2
Sender: [e-mail] (News Administrator)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 05:40:48 GMT
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Bret A. Johnson ([e-mail]) wrote:
:
: Also, Since the shuttle did not go up till this moring (SUNDAY)
: Where can I get the  2 element file with the lift of and orbit paths?
:
Since the Shuttle will be changing course frequently in order to catch up with
MIR, the easiest thing to do is plug in the elements for its destination - MIR,
and wait till it gets there.

: Yes, I am new to this as you cn tell...
:
We all were at one time...

Greg.  KO6TH


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:20 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!ddi2.digital.net!usenet
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SINAD
Date: 11 Nov 1995 21:00:09 GMT
Organization: FLORIDA ONLINE, Florida's Premier Internet Provider
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In article <482k9k$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] wrote:



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:20 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: SINAD
Date: 11 Nov 1995 16:51:00 GMT
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Yes Brian I know what the SINAD test is.  My suggestion is
to make the full quieting test first to look for gross
problems.  The problem is that the SINAD test itself
cannot tell if the distortion is out of whack or if the
noise is out of whack.  The full quieting test is a good
preliminary test.



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian R. Swann)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SINAD Measurement
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 16:35:49 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

>>>Alan - WA6AWD - Kent, WA

>>You are mostly right about SINAD, except for the part about measuring
>>it.

>I believe the initial test of full quieting is a good idea because
>it locates initially the possibility of severe distortion and also
>defective synthesizer phase noise in the radio that might affect other
>tests. It is best to check this out first. The second part is to
>proceed with the normal SINAD test as all parties have described.

Yes, but a SINAD measurement *INCLUDES* distortion.  If you get an
out-of-spec SINAD on a receiver, it means to investigate further, and
the problem is not necessarily sensitivity.

If you want to check distortion at full quieting, that's fine.  Just
don't use it as a baseline for SINAD measurements.  If there was a lot
of distortion, it would yield a falsely lower measurement of SINAD.

So, I would do the measurements in the reverse of what you suggest -
measure SINAD first, then if that fails, check 20 dB quieting and
distortion.

By the way, SINAD is not a great measurement of the actual usability
of a receiver, since it only tests distortion at one frequency (1
kHz).

Brian  WA1VUT




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From: [e-mail] (Brian R. Swann)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SINAD Measurement
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:33:23 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

>In article <482jf1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brian R. Swann) writes:
>>By the way, SINAD is not a great measurement of the actual usability
>>of a receiver, since it only tests distortion at one frequency (1
>>kHz).

>That depends on the test gear. Some instruments let you use any tone
>frequency you like, the notching is done by shifting the phase of the
>tone and summing it with recovered audio. HP analyzers work this way.
>You can sweep the tone across the entire passband (you have to wait
>for the auto notcher to settle at each frequency before the reading
>means anything of course).

I wasn't aware of that, and I agree, testing at a few other
frequencies would improve the quality of the test.  However, EIA SINAD
is defined only at 1 kHz.  There aren't many manufacturer's specs out
there for anything but SINAD measured at 1 kHz.

>This leads to an idea for amateurs with outboard DSP boxes with
>auto notchers. If you set the through gain of the DSP to unity,
>you should be able to compare the signal going into the DSP with
>the signal coming out after the constant tone is notched out to
>simulate something similar to a SINADer. The quantization noise
>of the DSP gets included doing this though. The ratio you get
>is somewhat different, of course. What you get is Signal+noise+
>distortion to noise+distortion.

I don't have any real experience with DSPs, but would it be possible
to measure the quantization noise separately, and subtract it from the
result?

Brian, WA1VUT
[e-mail]




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From: Dave Johnson <djohnson@flesh>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Socorro (NM) Hamfest
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:31:32 -0700
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                     SOCORRO (New Mexico) HAMFEST

Time: Saturday, November 18, 1995, 9:00 am - 5:00 pm local; held in
        conjunction with Socorro's "Festival of the Cranes"

Place: Socorro High School (just west of Socorro on U.S. 60)

Talk-in: 146.68 -

Admission:  Free

VE Session (ARRL VEC):

        Registration 11-12:00
        Exam (all classes) 12:00 (noon)
        Walk-ins Welcome
        Contact: Kalman, AJ5B at [phone]

Attractions:

        Prizes - ICOM IC-W31A Dual-band HT
                 ICOM IC-T22A 2-m HT

        Commercial Vendors

        Swap Tables ($5.00 each)

        Free Display areas -

                QRP/Homebrew Contest - Prizes to be awarded (bring a card
                  describing your entry)

                Giveaway Table

        Presentations and Forums -

                AMSAT Forum
                QRP Forum
                RFI Forum
                ARRL Forum
                Morse for Morse-Haters

        Displays and Demonstrations - too numerous to mention.

Contact: Monte, WB5RZX at [e-mail] or call [phone]



     _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
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From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Breland)
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Subject: re: spamming the net - was Re: The idiot ham trade.
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 23:03:53 GMT
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we
>have read thesre messages where some ham wants to trade his junk for
>something woth something).
>
Burt,
How's about trimming the non-radio groups from your posting
Newsgroups?
Thanks,

-Steve
email: [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: SSTV/FAX/RTTY on 2m in east PA PLEASE!
Date: 12 Nov 1995 11:44:31 -0500
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is there ANYONE that will help me with SSTV/FAX/RTTY on 2m FM in east PA?
i know i can transmit, but i have no idea if i can rx....
so if there is anyone that can do this..please private reply this message!!!

thanks

DAvid
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From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James Aeschliman)
Subject: Re: Standard #C5608DA - sub audibles?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Ted Thompson) says:

>I have a Standard C5608DA and would like to install a sub-audible tone.  I
>don't find anything in the anual.
>
>If someone knows how to do this, Please email.
>
I had very good luck installing a CTCSS board from Communication
Specialists into an old IC-2A.  They provided sheets showing how to
connect the board and their technical assistance was first rate.  You can
order the board and obtain technical assistance over the same 800
number:  1 [phone].
--
Jim Aeschliman                      [e-mail]
Black Diamond, Washington           KD7MK


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Subject: Re: Standard C508A Freq Range
Date: 11 Nov 1995 23:49:09 GMT
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>You could just turn the knob and find out. :-)
>
>When I do that on mine, band 1 covers 100-200 MHz (be sure AM detector
>is on for aircraft frequencies), band 2 covers 300-400 MHz, band 3 covers
>400-520 MHz, and band 4 covers 700-999 MHz,

Sensitivity with _any_ antenna drops off substantially above 470 MHz. in that UHF band.

In the aircraft band, the AM mode (I don't think it's a true AM detector) switches on automatically.

Danny AE9F/6



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From: [e-mail] (Steel Pony )
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Subject: Still Need Sinadder info/manual
Date: 12 Nov 1995 22:48:11 GMT
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 Hi fellow hams:

 Still looking for info on Sinadder Model #S-101. Also willing to trade
 a goodie from the qrp junque box for good data. OR willing to pay cos-
 ts for repro's.


 Tnx,

 John, N5INZ


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From: Sara Roberts <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Supplier of handheld boxes and aerials?
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I was wondering if any company supplies handheld radio style enclosures
and aerials?

Cheers,

Sara.

--
  ._o
 / //\.  Sara Roberts
  \>> |  [e-mail]
   \\


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Art Winterbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: swap/buy xtals for Regency HR-2A 2-meter xcvr (antique)
Date: 12 Nov 1995 17:35:18 -0700
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Keywords: antique 2-meter two-meter transceiver crystal xtal
Cc:

Will buy/swap HC-25U crystals for Regency 2-meter transceiver, model HR-2A.

                WANT (buy or swap)

XTAL_FREQ       TYPE    ACTUAL FQ
---------       ----    ---------
146.445         TX      6.101875 MHZ
146.445         RX      45.24833 MHZ

147.225         RX      45.50833 MHZ
147.825         TX      6.159375 MHZ

146.64          RX      45.31333 MHZ
146.04          TX      6.085000 MHZ

                HAVE (sell or swap)

XTAL_FREQ       TYPE    ACTUAL FQ
---------       ----    ---------
146.910         R       45.40333
146.310         T        6.09625
148.34          ?        ?
146.78          R?      45.36000?
146.85          R       45.38333
146.88          T        6.12000
146.88          R?      45.39333
145.010         T        6.04208
145.010         R       44.77000

Specifications:

RX XTALS:
        Freq. tolerance of .001%
        3rd overtone
        Series resonance of 250 Hz
        Max. equivalent series resistance of 35 ohms
        Drive level of 2 MW
        Holder HC-25/U

TX XTALS:
        Freq. tolerance of .001% @ 25 deg. C,
                .0015% from -10 to +60 deg. C
        Fundamental mode
        Load capacity of 32 pf
        Max. series resistance of 40 ohms
        Drive level of 2 MW
        Holder HC-25/U

Art N0OQS
[e-mail]

--
Art
[e-mail] OR [e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Matt Overholt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: TH-28a
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 16:40:54 -0500
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   Anyone have a Kenwood TH-28a? Just wondering what they thought of it.

Thanks,
Matt Overholt

--
Matt Overholt


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From: [e-mail] (William C. Carmichael)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: The Anti-ARRL Broadcast Group- what is it?
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 18:21:00 -0400
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Sorry to post this, but I stumbled across some ALLEGED ham broadcasting
ranting and flaming of the ARRL on HF a while back, but never got wind of who
he/they were.  It was almost like a commercial radio broadcast, just
keyed down and yapping away about the FCC, League, etc.
Then "they" claimed to be some sort of ham org doing community service.
Can somebody E-Mail me (no post response please!) the name of this
"group" and info on how to contact them?

TNX es 73s de Bill, WA4EVQ              OBTW, a league member, FWIW.

[e-mail]
Atlanta, GA


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Subject: THE biggest THE ham THE problem.
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      Frequently I hear hams say, THE name HERE is______.
How often do you say when you meet someone (assuming your name
is Charlie), THE name HERE is Charlie? You never do that right? After
to do so is so impersonal and asinine that you would not want
to seem like a fool-then why do it on the air? Just because you
are a ham is no excuse not to be personal. Of course you could
really sound like THE jerk of the year by saying, THE first
personal here is Charlie (at least if you are not personal-you are
using the word-albeit it in an extremely impersonal way).
Also why say "here", is your name any different when you are "there?"

73 from we here (not there) at K1OIK where THE name are Burt.
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"Thomas W. Castle" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Y
>Now you can see how boring it is reading useless crap...
>Do yourself a favor, find a new or different hobby...
>Unless your 10-13yrs old & like flaming & whinning...
>
>C/U De Tom a.k.a. KD4QHH

What a man you are.
And experienced too.




#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
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On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Burt Fisher wrote:

>
> "Thomas W. Castle" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >Y
> >Now you can see how boring it is reading useless crap...
> >Do yourself a favor, find a new or different hobby...
> >Unless your 10-13yrs old & like flaming & whinning...
> >
> >C/U De Tom a.k.a. KD4QHH
>
   What a man you are.
   And experienced too.

 *** Such a reply; Did you write that yourself or did some one write
     it for you?

 *** You should abide by your own tag line! The less said in your case
     the better. An judging from the mail about you; the odds are against
     you. You are "Fun To Watch <?>"  <<FTW>> in case you don't understand.

 *** C/U De Tom KD4QHH.



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"Thomas W. Castle" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> *** You should abide by your own tag line! The less said in your case
>     the better. An judging from the mail about you; the odds are against
>     you. You are "Fun To Watch <?>"  <<FTW>> in case you don't understand.
>
> *** C/U De Tom KD4QHH.

Odds against me?
I am not a typical ham (checking to see what the prevailing opinion is
before I give mine). To be despised by bozos is not really a terrible
thing Mr. K D 4.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
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| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
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From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:38 1995
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Subject: Re: THE Burt
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[e-mail] (Tim Hynde ka8ddz/qrp Rochester, MI ) wrote:

>Did it ever occour to you that meeting someone in person is differnt
>than meeting them on the air? In my 15 brief years as a ham and SWL I
>have never heard a conversation, amateur or commercial that resembled
>one I would have with someone face to face.

>Tim Hynde ka8ddz

You mean in person you are supposed to sound like a person but on
the air sounding like an ass is OK? All my conversations are spoken
as much as they would be in person as possible.

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:39 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: [e-mail] (Donald R. Sanchez )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Subject: Re: THE Burt
Date: 13 Nov 1995 03:40:19 GMT
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In <48682v$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:

>
>
>[e-mail] (Tim Hynde ka8ddz/qrp Rochester, MI ) wrote:
>
>>Did it ever occour to you that meeting someone in person is differnt
>>than meeting them on the air? In my 15 brief years as a ham and SWL I
>>have never heard a conversation, amateur or commercial that resembled
>>one I would have with someone face to face.
>
>>Tim Hynde ka8ddz
>
>You mean in person you are supposed to sound like a person but on
>the air sounding like an ass is OK? All my conversations are spoken
>as much as they would be in person as possible.
>
>#================#====================================================
#
>|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics
|
>| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)
|
>|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember
|
>#================#====================================================
#
>| [e-mail]                                [e-mail]
|
>#=====================================================================
#
>
>

on the air he tries to come through as much of a person as possible,
but on the internet he comes through as quite the ASS!


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ronald C. Barnes)
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Subject: Re: THE Burt
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 15:55:59 GMT
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In article <486en3$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Donald R. Sanchez ) wrote:

_____ LOTS OF STUFF NUKED _____

>
>on the air he tries to come through as much of a person as possible,
>but on the internet he comes through as quite the ASS!


Here's an original idea here....


                        IGNORE THE ASS...  KILL FILES ARE OUR FRIENDS

I added Burt to my killfile, and WHOA..  the number of messages my newsreader
thinks it has is about half what it was.

Now... if there is only a way of filtering out responses.


--
****************************************************************
The opinions contained herein are mine and mine alone, so there!
For only I am capable of spewing forth such absurdities and my
boss / internet provider / own mother will laugh heartily at any
attempt to bring them into this and disavow any knowlege of me.
Then we'll have a beer and have a good laugh at your expense.
****************************************************************


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:42 1995
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From: STOP @CROSS-POSTING.COM
Subject: Re: THE Burt
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:


>[e-mail] (Tim Hynde ka8ddz/qrp Rochester, MI ) wrote:

>>Did it ever occour to you that meeting someone in person is differnt
>>than meeting them on the air? In my 15 brief years as a ham and SWL I
>>have never heard a conversation, amateur or commercial that resembled
>>one I would have with someone face to face.

>>Tim Hynde ka8ddz

>You mean in person you are supposed to sound like a person but on
>the air sounding like an ass is OK? All my conversations are spoken
>as much as they would be in person as possible.

>#================#=====================================================#
>|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
>| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
>|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
>#================#=====================================================#
>| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
>#======================================================================#

                      COME ON BURT !!!!!!!!!!!!!

>rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur..space,
>rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,
>rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna

  BURT,
 Annoying, slandering, mean-spirited are all easy attributes
and you excel in every field. You occasionally kinda sorta
show some intelligence. Why don't you quit taking the LAZY
route of cross-posting, and instead narrow it to the respective
group.
 If seeing the responses generated by your remarks fascinates
you, I'm sure somewhere in the halls of M.U. is a psychology
professor that may be able to help you.
 Of course, practicing what you preach would be nice too !!!

>|  Burt Fisher   |  The less you say, the more people will remember |

regards,
founding member of the Stamp Out Cross-Posters Society   SOCS



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:43 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.ais.net!news.texas.net!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Bob)
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Subject: Re: THE Burt
Date: 15 Nov 1995 06:42:54 GMT
Organization: Texas Networking, Inc.
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>#================#=====================================================#
>|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
>| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
>|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
>#================#=====================================================#
>| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
>#======================================================================#

From your own tagline:  "The less you say, the more people will remember"
You seem to have no economy of words yourself, Burt baby.  Especially
when you spam your B.S. to 15-20 other newsgroups.  You're joining the
ranks of Ted Kennedy, Dukakis, and Barney Franks--people that make the
state of Massachusetts look like a den of clueless MORONS!

___
Bob Scott   WY7O| Roses are red, Violets are blue
[e-mail]   | I'm schizophrenic, And so am I


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:44 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews
From: [e-mail] (InterSource )
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine
Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
Date: 12 Nov 1995 20:41:17 GMT
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In <4825eh$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:

>
>I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we
>have read thesre messages where some ham wants to trade his junk for
>something woth something).
>
>
>From: KH2KQ@KA6EYH.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM
>To  : [e-mail]


Burt there is a Salvation Army Thrift Store in Thornton Colorado (on
Washington Blvd.) that as of last week, had a box with 4 Vic 20's for
sale for $10 --- is that a hint ???? --- surely you were not serious
about that type of trade or was it a typo.>

>Hello Burt,
>
>You actually got one of those VIC-20's you wanna trade?
>
>I do not have a Icom 781, but I does have a Kenwood 950SDX - howsa
bout dat?
>
>Only problem is dat it am attached under the counter of a 36 foot
>motorhome. So if youse trade for da 950 youse gotta take the motorhome
>too. Its got a generator and only 123 actual miles. But the problem
der
>is dat it am havin a dead battery and it can't start and it is in the
>driveway of my vacation home at the beach in Malibu - so youse also
>gotta take the house in Malibu if youse want the 950SDX.
>
>Howsomever, there is a beach bunny and her girlfriend that said they
>would just die if I sold the Malibu house on the beach, so they come
>with the house and the motorhome and the radio.
>
>If dat am OK, then weese got a deal!
>
>Oh yeah, does the VIC-20 got a DC power supply with it?
>
>By the by, if you hear of anyone who has a Kenwood TS-50 attached to a
>Mercedes 450SLC - I would like to trade a Radio Shack 202 for
it!!!!!!!
>
>73 de Chuck



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:45 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!globe.indirect.com!grizzarv
From: [e-mail] (Robert V. Grizzard)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine
Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
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Date: 12 Nov 1995 21:49:34 GMT
Organization: Internet Direct, Inc.
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InterSource ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In <4825eh$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
: >From: KH2KQ@KA6EYH.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM
: >To  : [e-mail]
[chomp]

Folks, can we trim those followup-to lines?  This has nothing to do with
pyrotechnics or rocketry.  Or puzzles.  Or skiing.  Or - but you *do*
have the idea, right?


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:47 1995
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From: Intersource@Intersource@*user@*site.*domain.org.org (Intersource)
Date: 12 Nov 95 15:41:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
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From: [e-mail] (InterSource )
Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
Organization: Netcom

In <4825eh$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:

>
>I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we
>have read thesre messages where some ham wants to trade his junk for
>something woth something).
>
>
>From: KH2KQ@KA6EYH.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM
>To  : [e-mail]


Burt there is a Salvation Army Thrift Store in Thornton Colorado (on
Washington Blvd.) that as of last week, had a box with 4 Vic 20's for
sale for $10 --- is that a hint ???? --- surely you were not serious
about that type of trade or was it a typo.>

>Hello Burt,
>
>You actually got one of those VIC-20's you wanna trade?
>
>I do not have a Icom 781, but I does have a Kenwood 950SDX - howsa
bout dat?
>
>Only problem is dat it am attached under the counter of a 36 foot
>motorhome. So if youse trade for da 950 youse gotta take the motorhome
>too. Its got a generator and only 123 actual miles. But the problem
der
>is dat it am havin a dead battery and it can't start and it is in the
>driveway of my vacation home at the beach in Malibu - so youse also
>gotta take the house in Malibu if youse want the 950SDX.
>
>Howsomever, there is a beach bunny and her girlfriend that said they
>would just die if I sold the Malibu house on the beach, so they come
>with the house and the motorhome and the radio.
>
>If dat am OK, then weese got a deal!
>
>Oh yeah, does the VIC-20 got a DC power supply with it?
>
>By the by, if you hear of anyone who has a Kenwood TS-50 attached to a
>Mercedes 450SLC - I would like to trade a Radio Shack 202 for
it!!!!!!!
>
>73 de Chuck

--
|Fidonet:  Intersource 1:330/317
|Internet: Intersource@Intersource@*user@*site.*domain.org.org
| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly their own.
| PandA's Den BBS FidoNet < > internet gateway - email [e-mail]


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:48 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.dx.net!fangz.com!whirlwind
From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine
Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
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Date: 13 Nov 1995 17:23:23 GMT
Organization: The DataXchange Network, Inc
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Speaking of idiots, this wound up in a very inappropritate newsgroup. I've
taken the liberty of leaving that newsgroup out of further discussion.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Barry K. Swank, Jr.                                          Rochester, NY
[e-mail]

Sig under construction!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:49 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!i-2000.com!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Doug Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap,rec.roller-coaster,rec.running,rec.scouting,rec.scuba,rec.skiing.alpine
Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 22:08:45 GMT
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we


>Howsomever, there is a beach bunny and her girlfriend that said they
>would just die if I sold the Malibu house on the beach, so they come
>with the house and the motorhome and the radio.

>By the by, if you hear of anyone who has a Kenwood TS-50 attached to a
>Mercedes 450SLC - I would like to trade a Radio Shack 202 for it!!!!!!!
>
>73 de Chuck
Hello Chuck,

I gotta Mercedes 350SL and it comes with a Alinco DR600.  Been
thinking that I might want to trade for those two beach bunnies if you
don't want them any more...

73's Doug

KN2Y



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:51 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!mr.net!news.mr.net!mixer.visi.com!usenet
From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap
Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:42:37 GMT
Organization: Vector Internet Services
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[e-mail] () wrote:

>Speaking of idiots, this wound up in a very inappropritate newsgroup. I've
>taken the liberty of leaving that newsgroup out of further discussion.

<sig cut>
<inappropriate groups cut>

Why not use your judgement and remove ALL inappropriate groups like I
did?
Me



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:52 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!mr.net!news.mr.net!mixer.visi.com!usenet
From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.noncomm,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.swap
Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
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[e-mail] (CrazyOne - Greg Pacek) wrote:

>In article <488ff6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Doug Randall) wrote:

<snip>
<inappropriate groups cut>

PLEASE check your subject lines people!
REC.PYROTECHNICS DOESN'T CARE!
Me



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:53 1995
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From: "Thomas W. Castle" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.pyrotechnics,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space,rec.rad
Subject: Re: The test.
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 23:44:05 -0500
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Gee Burp... I see your going to be a pain in the ass in several
news groups.... I don't know  <or care> if your problem is caused
RF, Magnetic fields or your just a plain foamer & drooler...

Why don't you try some of the other news groups for some help?
//www/ Dr. Kavor.@ death.com, Birth contol retro-active, or one
of the www// sites for "Do it yourself Frontal lobotomy, Electro-
shock therapy or just wait for your new Lithuim tablets to
come in....

If your that bored with life an have nothing better to do than
complain; maybe we can get you on the "Uni-B" X-mas mailing list...

Don't go away mad just go away....

KD4QHH a.k.a. Tom



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:54 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!dproducts.be!sysop
Subject: TONO MR250W (2m ampl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 09:40:37 MEZ
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: D. Products Telecomm.
Lines: 3


I'm lookin for the diagram of the 2m power amplifier TONO MR250W
73 de Pierre - ON4KNN


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:55 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: TRW Swap Meet
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <48a03v$[e-mail]>
Organization: L.A. Valley College Public BBS [phone]
X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.35
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 95 22:05:22 -0800
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Can someone tell me the when and where of the TRW radio equipment swap meet? I
am looking for an old Hallicrafters SX 99 rcvr. Any other ideas where to check?


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:56 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jlowman
From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: TRW Swap Meet
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
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[e-mail] wrote:

: Can someone tell me the when and where of the TRW radio equipment swap meet? I
: am looking for an old Hallicrafters SX 99 rcvr. Any other ideas where to check?

Always *last* Saturday of each month, even when there are five Saturdays in
a month.  Aviation and Marine, near LAX.

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
Systems Analyst     |   San Bernardino City Unified School District
[phone] (O)  |   Unix:  "It isn't supposed to be easy...If it
[phone] (FAX)|   was, everyone would be doing it."  -Unknown-


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:56 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!dproducts.be!sysop
Subject: TS811E + 1.6Mhz ?
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 09:40:37 MEZ
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: D. Products Telecomm.
Lines: 6


I've a Kenwood TS811E but I can't use it on europeans repeaters because
the shift if UHF is +1.6 and the TS811 has a -1.6 shift.
Is anybody can help me or give me the modification to solve this
problem ?
73 de Pierre - ON4KNN


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:57 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!alterdial.uu.net!not-for-mail
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.
Subject: Two edged sword Kenny baby.
Date: 15 Nov 1995 22:46:20 GMT
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[e-mail] (Ken Edwards) wrote:

>All those who are upset with Burt's spamming, please inform the SYSOP of the
>system from which he posts.
>
>--
>======================================================================
>
>Ken M. Edwards, PE  Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
>[phone] email: [e-mail]    Ham: N4ZBB   Packet: [e-mail]
>DX PacketCluster (tm) Node : W4DW
>
>All opinions do reflect the views of my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president.

Thanks for address of your employer. I think I will inform THEM
ABOUT you. FAIR is FAIR.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:58 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!xs4all!alex!not-for-mail
From: [e-mail] (Peter Van Yperen)
Date: 13 Nov 95 03:08:28
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: UNID Time-signal station
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: Alexander BBS / HCC OS/2 gg - [phone] & 2201454
Lines: 15

Hi all,
Heard a UNID time-signal station (or something like this) on around 3757 Khz
only tics are heard no ID. Seems operating 24 hours. Here at my location
is at times very strong.  Does anybody has a idea for this????
73 de peter.

... From the biggest port of the World,ROTTERDAM 73's [e-mail]
~~~ Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR]

--
| Via alex.xs4all.nl - HCC OS/2 GG Alexander BBS Rotterdam [NL]
| FidoNet 2:500/158 & 2:500/285 - PO Box 8134 - 3009 AC  ROTTERDAM
| [phone] (VFC) - BBS open 08:00 - 00:45 UTC+2
| [phone] (VFC) - BBS open 24h
| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:42:59 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news1.ucsd.edu!news-mail-gateway
From: [e-mail] (David Gillahan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: UU coded files
Date: 15 Nov 95 00:31:24 GMT
Organization: ucsd usenet gateway
Lines: 14
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: [e-mail]

And another thing, Charles, the only Charles Copelands in the FCC data
base are a tech plus and a novice, so I know damn well you didn't get
your "pics" from SSTV.....


--
 ___________________________________________________________________________
( Take it easy.  -Dave                        The Upper Penninsula:         )
(                                               It's too cold, snows too    )
( Michigan Technological University             much, and it takes too long )
( The professional, perpetual student           long to get here. But hey,  )
( [e-mail]                              the air's fresh, and the    )
( kb8por@w8yy.#upmi.mi.usa.na                   water's clean. Works for me!)
(___________________________________________________________________________)


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:43:00 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!news.suba.com!qni.com!gwatts
From: Gary Watts <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: UU coded files
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:00:14 -0600
Organization: Suba Communications
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David, David , David,

Think about what you are saying below....
or has rf finally fried your brain?

I know very that he could RECEIVE SSTV with a Tech PLUS Ticket!
I receive SSTV all the time using my ICOM 735 and VieWport SSTV equipment
on HF.. Check it out and I'm a NO-CODE TECH

Now transmitting.. That would be a problem.

And another thing Dave, Looking at your Sig. lines
you must need to take some more classes  at MUT
I would hope that they have a course in common sense.

Have a good day  QBH
Gary Watts  de  N0OXV
Kansas City Mo
81 GL1100I


On 15 Nov 1995, David Gillahan wrote:

> And another thing, Charles, the only Charles Copelands in the FCC data
> base are a tech plus and a novice, so I know damn well you didn't get
> your "pics" from SSTV.....
>
>
> --
>  ___________________________________________________________________________
> ( Take it easy.  -Dave                        The Upper Penninsula:         )
> (                                               It's too cold, snows too    )
> ( Michigan Technological University             much, and it takes too long )
> ( The professional, perpetual student           long to get here. But hey,  )
> ( [e-mail]                              the air's fresh, and the    )
> ( kb8por@w8yy.#upmi.mi.usa.na                   water's clean. Works for me!)
> (___________________________________________________________________________)
>
>


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:43:01 1995
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From: Jorma Saloranta <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: V47 prefix
Date: 14 Nov 1995 11:27:46 GMT
Lines: 3
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V4- ARE THE SAME.
oh2ki



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:43:02 1995
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From: Terry Shuya <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: VE5CUP special event station (1995 Grey Cup)
Date: 14 Nov 1995 18:25:21 GMT
Organization: SaskNet News Distribution
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The Regina Amateur Radio Association will be operating a
special event station  VE5CUP  to recognize the Candian
Football League and Regina hosting the 1995 Grey Cup.  The
station will start operating this week and end November 24,
1995.  Contact may be made on 80 and 20 meters, and possibly
other bands if conditions permit.

Special QSL cards can be obtained by ...

 a) sending a self addressed stamped envelope (Canada only)

      to VE5NN (PO Box 153 Regina, SK. Canada S4P 2Z6)

 b) or sending an IRC

      to VE5NN (PO Box 153 Regina, SK. Canada S4P 2Z6)

 c) or via the QSL bureau.

Please allow for a delay as the cards will be printed after
the event.

Terry Shuya (VE5HF,  [e-mail])




From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:43:03 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: What some think about sexy hams
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 11:53:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

(snip)

What the hell does this have to do with rollercoasters?

Please remove rec.roller-coaster from this thread.





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From: [e-mail] (Eric M. Bienert)
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Subject: Re: What some think about sexy hams
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:07:35 GMT
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In article <48be57$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Don Welch) writes:

>Speaking of HAM radios, could this group help me out?  Every time I go and
>dive with my radio set, the fuse blows.  What's the trick here?

maybe your submarine forgot to do it's 5 minute stop or left the screen doors
open.


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:43:05 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news1.ucsd.edu!nothing.ucsd.edu!brian
From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 12 Nov 1995 22:08:34 GMT
Organization: The Avant-Garde of the Now, Ltd.
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My telephone number is not my identity.

The Supreme Court of the United States has recent affirmed a person's
right to remain anonymous.  I support that decision, and would like to
see how that can be reconciled with the FCC's rulings on caller id.
I suspect the latter will fall.

In the meantime, I place all 800 number calls from a line which does
not accept incoming calls.  The people on the other end of the call may
collect the number, but a fat lot of good it will do them to call back
on it.
        - Brian


From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:43:06 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 13 Nov 1995 13:47:27 GMT
Organization: Prodigy Services Company  1-800-PRODIGY
Lines: 15
Distribution: world
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>My telephone number is not my identity.
>
>The Supreme Court of the United States has recent affirmed a person's
>right to remain anonymous.  I support that decision, and would like to
>see how that can be reconciled with the FCC's rulings on caller id.
>I suspect the latter will fall.

I doubt it.  Your right to remain anonymous is granted by your ability to
block your name and number and show up on the Caller ID box as an
"anonymous call."  But the party you are calling also has a right to
block your anonymous calls, as most of us do.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:43:07 1995
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From: "Todd F. Carney" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 13 Nov 1995 22:35:29 GMT
Organization: Oregon State System of Higher Education
Lines: 50
Message-ID: <488h7h$[e-mail]>
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NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.211.96.92

> >My telephone number is not my identity.
> >
> >The Supreme Court of the United States has recent affirmed a person's
> >right to remain anonymous.  I support that decision, and would like to
> >see how that can be reconciled with the FCC's rulings on caller id.
> >I suspect the latter will fall.
>
> I doubt it.  Your right to remain anonymous is granted by your ability to
> block your name and number and show up on the Caller ID box as an
> "anonymous call."  But the party you are calling also has a right to
> block your anonymous calls, as most of us do.
>
>

Though I am beginning to respect the position of the pro-
caller I.D. proponents, I am still baffled by the assumption
that the only possible inconvenience will be to the "blocked"
caller and not to the person who has a device that rejects
blocked calls.  The general attitude has been, "if you want to
talk to me then unblock (or never block) your line."  Fair
enough, but what if *you* want to talk to me and I can't get
passed your screen?  Perhaps it's important I return your
call and I am shunted off into the electronic dog house for
remaining "anonymous"?

This happened to a student of mine recently.  He called with an
urgent request and left his number on my office voice mail.  I
tried to call him back from home but was told by an automated
device that his line did not accept "anonymous" callers.  I didn't
know how to unblock my line (and I wasn't inclined to anyway) so
I couldn't get through to him.  So be it, I thought. Tough luck
for him. He missed out on an important opportunity.  Like those
who rely on caller i.d., if you want to deal with me you do it on my
terms or not at all.  It works both ways.

The telephone was once hailed as a technological means of bringing
people together.  It's always had its downside (crank calls,
obscene calls, harrassment, and pesky salesmen), but the more
technology is added (automatic marketing dialers, computer phone
advertizing, caller i.d.) the more the phone becomes a source of
anoyance and fear and the more it becomes a means of keeping people
apart.

By the way, rights are inherent: you are born with them.  They are
not "granted" by court rulings, FCC regulations, or by my ability
to block my phone line.  Technology is not God.

Todd Carney




From Unknown Thu Nov 16 05:43:08 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cgreenha
From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 14 Nov 1995 15:49:14 GMT
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In article <488h7h$[e-mail]>,
Todd F. Carney <[e-mail]> wrote:

[snip]
>Though I am beginning to respect the position of the pro-
>caller I.D. proponents, I am still baffled by the assumption
>that the only possible inconvenience will be to the "blocked"
>caller and not to the person who has a device that rejects
>blocked calls.  The general attitude has been, "if you want to
>talk to me then unblock (or never block) your line."  Fair
>enough, but what if *you* want to talk to me and I can't get
>passed your screen?  Perhaps it's important I return your
>call and I am shunted off into the electronic dog house for
>remaining "anonymous"?
>
>This happened to a student of mine recently.
[snip]

IMHO, this whole thread has snowballed to the size of a house. A telephone
is a duplex communication device. If you want to communicate, lift up the
receiver. If you dont wish to communicate, then dont! Its that simple.

I too became victim of a 'anonymous caller' blocked number. My office phone
is part of their own network, and 'id' as anonymous to caller ID boxes.
This guy that wanted me to call him, had 'anonymous call' blocker on, and I
got the recording telling me to "..unblock..". Since I was unable...I did
not call him. Later he called, and wondered why I didnt call him. I informed
him why, and also that I thought it was HIS fault...not mine.

Again IMHO, people with caller ID are either paranoid, deadbeats, or both.
Its VERY easy for me to say to a tele-marketing rep, "Thanks for the call,
but Im not interested." and promptly hang up.

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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
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Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 14 Nov 1995 17:59:15 GMT
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In article <48ajh6$[e-mail]>,
Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Just do what the recording instructs you to do...disable the Caller ID
>block and redial the call.  Couldn't be easier!
>
>-Drew in Charlotte-
> KF4DDM

On most providers, and many in-house phone networks, there is no option
to "disable" the block.


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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
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Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 14 Nov 1995 18:33:21 GMT
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In article <48ajcu$[e-mail]>,
Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Your generalization is wrong.  Many of us who use Caller ID and anonymous
>call blocking are simply honest, hard-working folks who do not wish to be
>bothered by nuisance or unwanted telephone calls.  Why answer the phone,
>listen to the sales pitch, and say "I'm not interested" when it's so much
>quicker to simply look at the box and, if it's an unwanted call, ignore
>or let the machine take it?
>
>-Drew in Charlotte-
> KF4DDM

It wasnt a "generalization", it was, as stated, my opinion. I have heard Drew
himself say "bill collectors"...Im sorry, but I just dont have any calls like
that. Besides, wont "nuisance" and "unwanted" callers continue to call untill
they get a hold of you? Sorry, but I still stand by my original testiment.


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  +=================================+===================================+


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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 15 Nov 1995 17:21:13 GMT
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"Todd F. Carney" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
>> Just do what the recording instructs you to do...disable the Caller ID

>> block and redial the call.  Couldn't be easier!
>>
>> -Drew in Charlotte-
>>  KF4DDM
>>
>
>
>As I explained, I didn't know how to do that (I still don't) *and*
>I would have been unwilling to do so since I did not want my student
>to know my home phone number.  Net result: my student lost out.
>
>BTW, I rarely do what people instruct me to do let alone what a
>machine tells me, and yes it *could* be easier: no rejection of
>blocked calls.
>
>
>Todd Carney


You might tell your student that he/she "lost out" by their use of Caller
ID.  Then, let him/her decide.  Sure, these things happen...but the
benefits of ID'ing or blocking unwanted calls highly outweighs the
negatives.  If it was a REALLY important call and you REALLY didn't want
your number divulged, you could've called from a payphone.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



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From: "Roy D." <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
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I really don't think I'd like to go hunting a pay phone just to keep my
number a secret.  I have 2 lines.  One the machine always answers, the
number is listed and the ID is unblocked.  The other line I answer,
the number is unlisted, I'm VERY careful who I give the number to and the
ID is blocked.  Works for me.


Roy Derryberry, KD3LZ    Member: Aircraft Owners and Pilot's Association
([e-mail])                             American Radio Relay League
                                        Utility Workers Union of America

If I'd known I was gonna live this long, I'd taken better care of myself.




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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
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Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 15 Nov 1995 17:04:31 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Jim Lowman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I tend to agree with Drew.  I don't have any bill collectors calling, but
>don't care to have my time wasted with telemarketers.  Most are trained in
>high-pressure sales, and often saying "I'm not interested" isn't enough.
>Besides, they are invading my privacy and my family time.
>
>As I said earlier, my solution to the problem is an answering machine with
>two voicemail boxes.  The phone simply doesn't ring.  Yes, it annoys some of
>my friends that they have to go through the screening process, but they do
>understand why it's necessary.

Ok Jim, but wont those people continue to call back? They sure do at my house.


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  |Electronic/Computer Tech. @ OSU  |radio: n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam|
  +=================================+===================================+


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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 15 Nov 1995 17:17:48 GMT
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[e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh) wrote:
>
>In article <48ajcu$[e-mail]>,
>Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>Your generalization is wrong.  Many of us who use Caller ID and
anonymous
>>call blocking are simply honest, hard-working folks who do not wish to
be
>>bothered by nuisance or unwanted telephone calls.  Why answer the phone,

>>listen to the sales pitch, and say "I'm not interested" when it's so
much
>>quicker to simply look at the box and, if it's an unwanted call, ignore

>>or let the machine take it?
>>
>>-Drew in Charlotte-
>> KF4DDM
>
>It wasnt a "generalization", it was, as stated, my opinion. I have heard
Drew
>himself say "bill collectors"...Im sorry, but I just dont have any calls
like
>that. Besides, wont "nuisance" and "unwanted" callers continue to call
untill
>they get a hold of you? Sorry, but I still stand by my original
testiment.

Well, if you owe money, a bill collector is most certainly an unwanted
call! <g>  I agree...there are some who use Caller ID for this purpose...
but I would venture to bet that the majority of users are not "deadbeats",
 but rather, honest people who don't wish to have their time wasted by
unwanted telephone calls.  What's wrong with that?  Sure, they can keep
calling until the cows come home...and I will continue to not answer.
Eventually, they'll get sick of talking to the answering machine.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



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From: [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: YAESU FT-5100
Date: 15 Nov 95 21:55:00 GMT
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I have an FT-5100 for sale.
It is about a year old and I have been using it for a base radio.
It looks great and works great.
I have the manuals for it.
Im asking $350.00 for.
Thank you for reading this!

[e-mail]
Mike Smith
N9MMP
aka Mr. Format :)
Brownsburg



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Some news of possible interest re Hamfests:

>There is a Hamfest to be held from 16-17 November at the island resort of Koh Samui in Thailand called"SEAnet" (Southeast Asia Net)=
 Of interest is the fact that Motorola is a major sponsor of the event and is launching an amateur radio called the AP-50. The Thai=
 equivalent to CQ magazine featured it this month on the front cover. The handheld is available at two meters and 60 centimeters. Th=
e attendees are expected to be from 10-15 Southeast Asian countries to participate in the event. The last year's event was held in M=
alacca, Malaysia.

>Let me know if you would like addtional details.





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help


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From: [e-mail] (cr )
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Subject: *** FS: AOR AR8000 ***
Date: 16 Nov 1995 03:52:45 GMT
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For Sale AOR AR8000 receiver:

Full coverage - 100kHz to 1900MHz continuous no gaps, full 800MHz
coverage
All Mode Reception - AM, USB, LSB, CW, NFM, WFM
Programmable Step Size in 50Hz increments
4.0kHz SSB filter
Alphanumeric multi-line display
Signal Strength bar graph
1000 channel memory bank
computer control I/O port.

Too many features to list.  Basically, top of the line receiver with
full coverage.
Purchased in Europe while on vacation, barely used.  Price includes
complete unit with
manual.  Asking $550.00, I'll pick up the UPS shipping (within the
U.S.).

Email inquiries to: [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Robert Young)
Subject: 2 Meter Intermod Cure
Date: 19 Nov 95 00:29:32 -0800
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I just purchased the PAR Electronics VHFDN152 Two Meter Intermod Filter.
I was unable to enjoy using my Icom IC-2700H dual band radio, due the the
severe intermod I was receiveing from a local paging system. This intermod
completely covered several local repeaters, and made them virtually useless
during the day when the paging system was most active. I read a review on
the PAR Filter in the October '95 issue of "CQ Magaize", and I called
them right away. I spoke to Dale Parfitt WA2YPY, and he recommended
that I try their new filter. Dale describe the filter as a passive
type device with a low insertion loss,typically about .3 db. He told
me that it would work with my dual band rig and was rated for up to
50 watts. He also told me that if I wasn't happy with the filter, I
could retrun it for a full refund. I ordered the filter from him and
I received it several days later via UPS. I was shocked and amazed at
the results. It totally elliminated my intermod problem, but yet it
still allowed me to monitor freqencies between
135 and 174 Mhz. The filter is rated for about 50 db of attenuation
for frequencies between 152 and 154 Mhz. This seemed to block the
offending paging interfence,thus allowing me to hear everything that
I was missing before. If anyone else has trouble with intermod, I
highly recommend this filter as a potential cure. The filter cost me
$62.00 plus $4.00 for shipping and it was worth every penny!!!

The telephone number for PAR Electronics is [phone].

73's de N9MSS
Bob Young
[e-mail]


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From: Jory McIntosh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: 6m calling freq RESULTS
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50.125 is the Frequency that is most monitored in my area.  However,
when the band opens up there are signals anywhre from 50.100 to 50.200
on ssb.  Hope to work you during December-January openings 73 -
Jory McIntosh - KB5UBS in DM84.




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In article
<48e0cl$jj1$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>Ahh, 50.110 is usually the SSB calling freq within
the US...
>
>73
>Chris
>WB5ITT
>
And 50.125 is the Asia DX window.


--
73 from Joe BV2/N0IAT  Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C.
Ex. 7J1AOF(Japan) KA0ZDH(novice) YU3/N0IAT(Slovenia)
Licensed Radio Amateur since 1986 //comments are mine
only



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Subject: Re: 6m calling?
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Nathan Ryan Gingras ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Bill Bennett ([e-mail]) wrote:
: : Chris Boone <[e-mail]> wrote:
: : >Ahh, 50.110 is usually the SSB calling freq within the US...
: : Here in southern cal. 50.25 is the calling freq.  50.110 is the dx
: : or qrp calling freq.

That's the same here in Northeast.

: How regular are 6m contacts? I was thinking about buying a 6m radio....
: Nate, KB9LSX

Buy the radio...the more of us that are on 6m, the more likely the
opportunity for contacts.  There's little reason that 6m SSB shouldn't
be reliably available almost all the time for short distance QSOs,
especially rag chewing.  That'd free up more HF for other use.

--
Cheers, ---------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Sohl  K2UNK     (Budd lake, New Jersey)      ([e-mail])
ARRL Local Government Liason, Mount Olive Township
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WRONGO ! 50.110 is the DX calling frequency and 50.125 is the US
calling frequency.


Bill Bennett <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Chris Boone <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Ahh, 50.110 is usually the SSB calling freq within the US...
>Here in southern cal. 50.25 is the calling freq.  50.110 is the dx
>or qrp calling freq.


Tim ([e-mail])






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Hello all...

Do anybody know how 2 build a voice-mailbox using an external selfmade
switching-option and a standard soundcard in your computer ?

I heard from some hams that there are construction-plans and software
available...but I do not know where.....

Please help...

dl4oca, Stephan





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Subject: A better ham trade....
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Let's trade Burt Fisher, Wayne Green, and two amateurs to be assigned call
signs later to the CBers for Jock Elliott and a few 11 meter vets with a half a
lick
of sense and as desire to move on to something better...

Looks like the CBers have run out of draft choices!!!

Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB
[e-mail]
Stillwater, NY


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From: [e-mail] (Robert C. White Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: A Label Past Its Time
Date: 20 Nov 1995 00:23:49 GMT
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Jim Weir ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Tech+ means nothing more to me than a person has taken a useless
: Federally mandated step to learn an outmoded system of modulation on
: their way in the amateur stairstep process.  Sort of like learning
: Latin in high school.

Hi.  A newbie here, studying for my novice license, but FWIW, CW is about
all that interests me.  The reason for the interest is that a novice can use
it on the 40 and 80 meter bands, and it is my observation that CW cuts
through the QRM much better than voice communications.  I would expect
to do much better with DX QSO than with any other transmission mode.  Is
this idea wrong?

I hope this mode doesn't die before I get to try it!


[ Robert C. White, Jr.                               [e-mail]     ]
[                                                    WhiteStar Corporation ]
[     Love me, love my malamute.                     Cartographic Data     ]


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Does anyone know of any modifications for the new Icom IC 2350H dual band
mobile?

[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Clark Savage Turner WA3JPG)
Subject: Anyone in Flint, MI?
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Date: 17 Nov 95 18:27:43 GMT

Howdy -

Looking for someone in Flint who could help me find a spot to throw a
wire up into a tree at 0700 UTC (2 am?) next week some morning so that
I can put the Michigan capital on a WAS net.  I am in CA, don't know
if there are safe parks or rec areas in the city.  Hey, if you can spare
your driveway for an hour and there is a tree nearby...and you wouldn't
mind a very early morning visit....

Clark
WA3JPG


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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: ARLB100 Morse requirement stays
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In article <48d6n1$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Drew Durigan" writes:

>                                         Question: wouldn't these
> operators be much more inclined to make the transition to legal, licensed
> operators if the Morse requirement was eliminated?

I believe that people who already flout FCC regulations are unlikely to
change their attitude only because they are given more privileges.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


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In <48d6n1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Drew
Durigan) writes:

>You cannot obtain a license and operate legally on 10-meters without
>passing a Morse code test...but yet you can go into any truck stop
>and, relatively inexpensively, purchase a radio and amplifier for
>outband 11-meters...

>Question: wouldn't these
>operators be much more inclined to make the transition to legal,
>licensed operators if the Morse requirement was eliminated?

Ham radio as rehabilitation?  Nowhere in 97.1 can I find as one of the
reasons for the existence of the amateur service "to lure lawbreakers
into legal, licensed operation".  Besides, you can find extra-legal
operation in many different parts of the spectrum other than 11 meters.
 Whatever our standards, they should exist to further and improve the
amateur service, not as bait for our 11 meter friends.

Mike, KK6GM



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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB103
ARLB103 Election results

ZCZC AG70
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 103  ARLB103
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  November 17, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB103
ARLB103 Election results

The ARRL Committee of Tellers for the election of directors and vice
directors for the 1996 through 1997 term met at ARRL Headquarters
November 17 to count ballots.  Here are the results.

Delta division for director:
Joel Harrison, WB5IGF, 1224.
Mal Keown, W5XX, 930.
Lynn Lamb, W4NL, 710.

Great Lakes division for director:
George Race, WB8BGY, 3197.
Wayne Wiltse, K8BTH, 1884.

Midwest division for director:
Lew Gordon, K4VX, 1595.
Roger Volk, K0GOB, 1544.

Great Lakes division for vice director:
John Thernes, WM4T, 2992.
William Coale, KB8MBJ, 2055.

In each case the candidate receiving the greatest number of votes
was declared elected.

The following incumbents were unopposed and declared elected without
balloting: Atlantic division director Hugh Turnbull, W3ABC; Dakota
division director Tod Olson, K0TO; Pacific division director Brad
Wyatt, K6WR; Southeastern division director Frank Butler, W4RH;
Atlantic division vice director Kay Craigie, WT3P; Dakota division
vice director Hans Brakob, K0HB; Delta division vice director Rick
Roderick, K5UR; Midwest division vice director Bruce Frahm, K0BJ;
Pacific division vice director Jim Maxwell, W6CF; and Southeastern
division vice director Evelyn Gauzens, W4WYR.

The terms of office are for two years, beginning at noon January 1,
1996.
NNNN
/EX


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:22:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Patrick Croft)
Subject: Re: Attention ATV operators(ref.  Bill Brown WB8ELK)
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Rick Lehman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>To Amateur TV Operators:  I am trying to help an active ATV ham in Wales
>locate Bill Brown, WB8ELK.  Apparently Bill provide this amateur a film
>copy of a ballonist experiment presumably having to do with ATV.. The
>Wales amateur is trying to obtain a better copy of this film in order to
>help create a commercial TV program on amateur radio.  The address in the
>callsign data bases appears to be in error and efforts to locate Bill by
>telephone opertor have not been successful so far.  If you know how I can
>reach Bill by mail, telephone or e-mail please let me know and respond to
>the following E-mail address:   [e-mail]
>
>Thank you.. Rick WB4EJC
>
Rick - I think Bill may be at  Red Stone (Al.) .  He's assisted us in balloon launches for schools, etc.
 Will try to secure you hard info.  Please email me a reminder if you don't get in a day or two.  Also, check
with PC Electronics [phone]  as they market ATV stuff that Bill has designed & I'd guess they talk!
73  WB9IQI


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From: [e-mail] (Ken Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Attention ATV operators(ref.  Bill Brown WB8ELK)
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Try:
        [e-mail]



In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Patrick Croft) writes:>From: [e-mail] (Patrick Croft)
>Subject: Re: Attention ATV operators(ref.  Bill Brown WB8ELK)
>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 01:01:41 GMT

>Rick Lehman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>To Amateur TV Operators:  I am trying to help an active ATV ham in Wales
>>locate Bill Brown, WB8ELK.


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Subject: Bomb threat
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 95 06:54:13 EST
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I received the following bomb threat:
Burt Fisher
K1OIK



Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 23:33:07 -0500 (EST)
From: "Thomas W. Castle" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: THE biggest THE ham THE problem.

Gee Burp...    With you as a teacher<?>, we know the new an up coming
hams in your area: will be real gems... You need to ply your tactics
on HF like 3945 <my favorite place> or some really worthy freqs to
spread your wisdom 3898, 3853, 3912 or 3777.5.... We sure you will
go over well. You being a teacher <?> an posting on the internet,
really open up numerous possibilities... I'm sure your up to date
in the address of most call books an all could put you on the X-mas
mailing list of somone like the UNI-bomber...??? That could be real
interesting..!

--
*******************************************************************
*  Message Sent From:   CCS WORLD  Cape Cod's Internet Address    *
*  http://ccsnet.com  Telnet://ccsnet.com  Ftp://unix.ccsnet.com  *
*  Games: TW2002, VGA Planets, 4 Player DOOM, Game Connection     *



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:22:11 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Bomb threat
Date: 20 Nov 1995 01:48:02 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Newberry) wrote:

>>I received the following bomb threat:
>>Burt Fisher
>>K1OIK
>
>Was that  a surprise Fisher ?

Not really. Hams do tend to threaten.


>Some folks do get a bit testy at your constant CRAVING for attention.
>(Caused no doubt by deep seated feelings of inadequacy or
>worthlessness)

Please do not judge me based on YOUR character.
I have a very good self image which would be torn down if I were
respected by the typical ham.


>I just view you as the cybersapce version of the Village Idiot and let
>it go at that, but eveidently others aren't so charitable.
>
>Gary
>WB8POK

Does it put you up to put me down?
What a REAL man you must be.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:22:12 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Bomb threat
Date: 20 Nov 1995 01:49:12 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Newberry) wrote:

>>I received the following bomb threat:
>>Burt Fisher
>>K1OIK
>
>Was that  a surprise Fisher ?

Not really. Hams do tend to threaten.


>Some folks do get a bit testy at your constant CRAVING for attention.
>(Caused no doubt by deep seated feelings of inadequacy or
>worthlessness)

Please do not judge me based on YOUR character.
I have a very good self image which would be torn down if I were
respected by the typical ham.


>I just view you as the cybersapce version of the Village Idiot and let
>it go at that, but eveidently others aren't so charitable.
>
>Gary
>WB8POK

Does it put you up to put me down?
What a REAL man you must be.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:22:13 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Bomb threat
Date: 20 Nov 1995 01:49:46 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Newberry) wrote:

>>I received the following bomb threat:
>>Burt Fisher
>>K1OIK
>
>Was that  a surprise Fisher ?

Not really. Hams do tend to threaten.


>Some folks do get a bit testy at your constant CRAVING for attention.
>(Caused no doubt by deep seated feelings of inadequacy or
>worthlessness)

Please do not judge me based on YOUR character.
I have a very good self image which would be torn down if I were
respected by the typical ham.


>I just view you as the cybersapce version of the Village Idiot and let
>it go at that, but eveidently others aren't so charitable.
>
>Gary
>WB8POK

Does it put you up to put me down?
What a REAL man you must be.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:22:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Stockton)
Subject: Re: Burt Fisher jokes not funny
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Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:


: Then why do I get frequent messages that appreciate my comments?


    Is this the first contact with non-human sapient entities ?

    Or is someone going to suggest that any message that likes Burt's
humour..........   No,  who would be so cruel ?


     Cheers,
              David



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:22:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Burt Fisher)
Subject: Burt Fisher loses Amateur license
Sender: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <k1oik-1911952031180001@206.12.26.31>
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 04:31:38 GMT
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he sure did


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:22:16 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Burt Fisher)
Subject: Burt Fisher: Cant even make a contact on 2M
Sender: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <k1oik-1911952033060001@206.12.26.31>
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is there anybody out there?


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:22:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Burt Fisher)
Subject: Burt Fisher: Legend in his own mind
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 04:32:43 GMT
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yes he is


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:22:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Burt Fisher)
Subject: Burt Fisher: Not just another Stupid idiot!
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ya sure about that


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:22:18 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Burt Fisher)
Subject: Burt Fisher: Spamming USA
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The king of Spam


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:22:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Burt Fisher)
Subject: Burt Fisher: Weird Science gone wrong
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he is the example


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:22:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Burt Fisher)
Subject: Burt Fisher: World's Stupidest Amateur
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I am I said to no one there and no one heard not even the chair


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The only answer to that one is when the FCC gets around to it.
Jim W2GC



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From: [e-mail] (Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Community Message Traffic Handlers Needed
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:28:06 GMT
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[e-mail] (Edward Addy) wrote:

>From: [e-mail] (Edward Addy)
>Subject: Community Message Traffic Handlers Needed
>Date: 12 Nov 1995 20:25:59 GMT
>Organization: N. American Cntr. for Emerg. Comms.
>Message-Id: <485l8n$[e-mail]>

>I am looking for fellow Amateur Radio Operators that are
>interested in supporting their communities with Emergency
>and Military Family communications.

Most Amateur Radio Clubs and Operators already perform this function
on a daily basis.

>Our volunteer network uses the internet as our main
>intra-communications platform.

Not a very reliable source of communications!  In the event of a real
Emergency or Disaster, I doubt if the internet will be up and running.

>So if you have internet and would like to help within
>your community by acting as a traffic point for your
>community, I can use your help.

If the internet is up, so is the telephone service, tell them to use
their own 2-bits and dial the number themselves.

>Please, look at our web site for more information at:

>      http://www.nacec.org

>We are a fast growing organization and would like to
>have greater Amateur Radio community participation.


>Regards
>Edward Addy
>Executive Director
>NACEC
>[e-mail]

Gary




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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Community Message Traffic Handlers Needed
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In article <48fojh$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr.) writes:
>[e-mail] (Edward Addy) wrote:
>
>>I am looking for fellow Amateur Radio Operators that are
>>interested in supporting their communities with Emergency
>>and Military Family communications.
>
>Most Amateur Radio Clubs and Operators already perform this function
>on a daily basis.

Really? Most? Daily? The number of amateurs who are MARS, NTS, or
ARES daily participants is a small fraction of one percent.

>>Our volunteer network uses the internet as our main
>>intra-communications platform.
>
>Not a very reliable source of communications!  In the event of a real
>Emergency or Disaster, I doubt if the internet will be up and running.

Consider that the internet remained up during the California earthquakes,
riots, and fires while ordinary phone service was disrupted. That won't be
the case in every disaster, of course, but it has been true frequently enough
to consider the internet an important disaster communications asset. This
is especially true for out of area communications relay.

>>So if you have internet and would like to help within
>>your community by acting as a traffic point for your
>>community, I can use your help.
>
>If the internet is up, so is the telephone service, tell them to use
>their own 2-bits and dial the number themselves.

See above. The leased lines of the internet often are available when
the dial up network is overloaded due to a disaster, and the internet
uses routing protocols that can dynamically work around downed links.
Not to mention that the internet will be functioning normally outside
the immediate disaster area. It's not the total communications solution,
but it can unload a large fraction of long distance traffic loads from
HF amateur or other volunteer communications links.

Disaster communications volunteers shouldn't overlook the internet
as a resource. And those supporting military families or moving traffic
out of area may also find the internet a very useful tool. It's a mistake
to think amateur over the air communications can carry the entire load.
The over the air NTS, MARS, and ARES links are routinely overwhelmed
during a communications emergency. During the California quakes, only
a few thousand messages were sufficient to back up the amateur systems
for days. Don't spurn another tool in our communications  toolbox.

Gary
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW message at Disneyland
Date: 18 Nov 1995 02:57:06 GMT
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (WarrenRing) says:

>Last time I was at Disneyland (a couple of years ago), I was waiting
>for a train with my family at the railroad station near New Orleans
>square.  On the other side of the tracks, there was a replica of an
>old railway station, complete with telegraph sounds eminating from it.
>
>My wife asked if I could understand the message, and I said No
>because I had learned CW as beeps, and this was clicks.
>But I listened closely, and I couldn't make heads or tails of the
>message.  It almost sounded like random characters, at around 20
>WPM.  I just figured my mind wasn't into CW while at D-land.
>Maybe it was continental Morse, instead of international Morse.
>
>I was wondering if anyone else has tried to pick out the message.
>
It may have been in real Morse code, not the "International" code now
in use.  When I hired into the Phone Company in 1970 there were still
a number of guys around who could send and receive Morse code.  One
would even copy solid if the two were mixed.

There are more than dots and dashes, there are long dashes and the code
set is quite different.
>

--
Jim Harvey - WB8NBS - 18538 Inkster - Redford, Mich.  48240    Amiga Person
    [e-mail]   |   [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
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Subject: Re: CW Military Training
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 01:13:08
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[e-mail] (Walter Scott) writes:

>The U.S. Army, Navy, etc. have code schools for teaching Morse code.

>Is anyone familiar with these training programs?
>How long do they take for X words/min proficiency?
>What methods do they use for code instruction?
>How many hours a day, etc.?

>There might be some information here that would help us learn code.

When I was going to radar repair school at Keesler in 1972, we had a
bunch of "ditty-bop" (not derogatory) students in our squadron.  They
went through very fast.  They used to make me mad because they
wouldn't even be passing local water before being shipped out.  I do
recall one guy having trouble because his typing wasn't good.  I think
they phased him back to typing and then he returned back to code.
I never heard of anyone flunking out, but I'm sure there was.  If you
flunked out, they made you an Air Policeman, so there was an incentive
to learn! ha.

This doesn't come close to answering your question, but brought back
some old memories...



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[e-mail] (Walter Scott) wrote:
>
> The U.S. Army, Navy, etc. have code schools for teaching Morse code.
>
> Is anyone familiar with these training programs?
> How long do they take for X words/min proficiency?
>

I learned CW in the  Navy in 1971 at Pensacola, Fl.  We went from
no code whatever to 35wpm with random blocks of letters and
40 wpm random blocks of numbers in about four and one-half months,
working from 7:00 am to noon and 1:00 pm to 4:30 pm five days
per week, and then two hours of mandatory "night school" each
evening and on Saturday.

While I was there they introduced a computer-focused learning
system to teach the code.  It increased the speed at which
people learned the code, but when those people were then
exposed to recorded tapes of real people sending code, they
had a great deal of difficulty in copying.  Seems the perfect
code with no static or other noise, as sent by the computer,
was a little different than trying to copy the real McCoy!

To my knowledge, that school ones like it for the Army and
Air Force still exist.  The Navy has not taught radiomen CW
for about ten years or so now, and I don't know of other
schools which teach sending CW in the military.  You can figure
that one out for yourself.

In regard to the gent who was a Keesler AFB and the "ditty-bops"
left before "passing local water," I would suggest that this was
pretty unusual.  In the front of the room where I heard my first
"official" CW (sent by a crusty old Warrant Officer, with a
hand-key at about 5 WPM, with everybody yelling out, "ALFA!")
there was a sign about six feet wide and a foot high with bright,
red letters.  It stated, in usual Navy brevity:  YOU FAIL, YOU SAIL.

Word was that if you flunked out (and about 40% did, by the way),
you were issued a paint chipping hammer on the way out the gate.

To graduate from the school you had to copy CW pretty well.  They
sent a block of fifty five-leter (or five-number) groups.  They
substacted two points for each incorrectly copied letter/number,
and one point for each missed character (represented by a period
on the your paper in the correct spot).  Passing was 85 "percent"
but if you incorrectly copied eight letters/numbers out of 250,
you failed.  That works out to a passing score of more than
97%, if my math is right (which is anything but a "sure" thing!).

When we left school and went to our first duty station, the
first thing we were taught to do was "really learn how to copy
CW accurately and at some reasonable speed."  In my case that
meant about 45-50 WPM on HF circuits with no errors.  Never quite
got to the point I could copy with no errors, but I could stand
for the CT program to work at above 50 WPM in the contests!!

Long, drawn out response, but it brought back a lot of memories
for me, too!!

Karl, NQ1W



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From: [e-mail] (Rick H. Kennerly)
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Subject: Re: CW Military Training
Date: 20 Nov 1995 15:05:42 GMT
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Well, I was in the Army Security Agency (worked those "secret overseas
listiening posts" Jack Andersen is always writing about).

We had a 10 week basic morse code school at Ft. Devens, MA, and had a
particular code speed you had to make every week.  If you missed your
speed twice in a row, they called you out of Friday afternoon formation
and sent you down the road to the infatry batallion.  I had no problem
cranking out 30 wpm, but I think the required was about 24 to graduate.

Didn't keep me out of Viet Nam, but it did keep me out of the bush.

Rick - NH2F


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From: [e-mail] (Ron Miller)
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Subject: Re: CW Military Training
Date: 21 Nov 1995 15:05:26 GMT
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Eugene Kang ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <48qdbj$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
: >The only people who could do code were myself and a QMCS - both of
: >us were hams. (We discovered this fact one day during drills when
: >I called CQ with the mic button on the sound-powered phones.)

: um, what's a sound-powered phone?

It's the headset and chest microphone you see in so many of the films
from WWII when they show the Navy at work repelling kamikaze attacks.


The system is basically passive and extremely reliable for internal ship comms.
(which is why it is still in use today)

Basically I was using background noise as the carrier which I modulated
with my mic button.

Ron


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From: william@cortex (William Biggs)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Disney World Repeater PL ?
Date: 19 Nov 1995 06:41:24 GMT
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Rick H. Kennerly ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I enjoyed several late night chats on the WDW repeater, mostly park
: employees.  We were staying in the Wilderness trailers (a nice enough
: experience, but I'll be back on the monorail line next time) and even had
: some of the roadwarriors over in the airstream trailer park stop by.

: However, there is no need for a n HT in the parks and, as the previous
: poster mentioned, it just weighs you down.  Go & enjoy the magic.

: Rick - NH2F

IMHO, having a 11 year old son licensed (KC5JIE) and a lightweight HT was
incredibly useful. We were able to let him run around in large crowds
at Disneyland without losing track of him. It helped coordinate which
rides, meals, etc. we were going to do and when.

We used miniature lapel mikes, about the size of a lima bean, and $1
walkman type stereo headsets. The HT's were in a little pouch and were
unobtrusive and hidden from view except the antenna (and relatively
resistant to water splashes....).

We didn't really look to make any other contacts, although when we did
talk, other visitors would call us to chat. If we were just standing in a
line that wasn't a problem, but sometimes we'd be preoccupied with the
fun and we'd cut the QSO's short.


-- William C. Biggs , MD
KC5JIF                            Howdy from the High Plains of Texas
1900 South Coulter Drive
Amarillo, TX 79106


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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: EME / Moonbounce
Date: 16 Nov 1995 21:20:56 -0800
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  Can anyone here help put me in touch with individuals or organizations
that are involved with EME/Moonbounce?
  Thanks!

-- Arthur  KO6OA

** Request also cross-posted to rec.radio.amateur.space **


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From: [e-mail] (Gary McDuffie, Sr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FAQ for "Q" codes?
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 23:58:02 GMT
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On 15 Nov 1995 17:24:23 -0500, [e-mail] (Gerard Foley)
wrote:


>Anybody got a good reference that is reasonably accessible, even if it
>isn't on the net or by e-mail?
>Gerry K8EF


My favorite is an old Air Force Q signal that I use at least a couple of times
every night while on 75 with the gang.  It is QAU (I'm going to jetison fuel).

Enjoy
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
Subject: Re: FAQ for "Q" codes?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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I'm going to be lazy and trim all the attributes out.
>>
>>QLF -- Now try sending code with your Left Foot.

Well, my personal favorite is QKS? and QKS x/y.

How many knobs and switches on your radio?

My radio has 65 knobs and switches, but I only understand 3 of them.

And for the old timers out there, QBS for please clean the birdshit off
of your antenna.

And of course, for field day after a few too many cold 802's; QPP.

73 es GM from Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Robert E. Garland)
Subject: Re: FAQ for "Q" codes?
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[e-mail] (Jim Weir) writes:

>Gary Watts <[e-mail]> wrote:



>>You see I have to compile and print a list to decipher what the
>>REAL Ham Radio Operators are talking about while they
>>are on FM !!!!

>Gary --

>Wouldn't it be a gas to see what humorous definitions we could come up
>with for the Q-sigs?

>I'll start it off:

>QLF -- Now try sending code with your Left Foot.

>Jim



>Jim Weir VP Engineering  | "We seem to be standing on
>RST Engineering          |  the foreskin of technology."
>Grass Valley CA 95945    | (Gen Chuck Yeager)
>voice/fax [phone]   |
>[e-mail]  AR Adv WB6BHI  CFI A&G/Comml Inst A&G/A&P/C-182A N73CQ

QLF?  -- Are you [really] sending with your left foot?

QTE -- My true bearing from you is ...
QTE? -- What is my true bearing from you?


In response to your signature line --- OUCH!




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From: [e-mail] (Matt Overholt)
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Subject: FCC shutdown
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 13:37:56 -0500
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I was wondering if anyone is having the same trouble I am having. I passed
my no-code technician tests Nov. 13, I should have my callsign by now, but
since the goverment sent home all non-essential workers(included the ones
at the FCC who process applications.). I dont know when I will get my
callsign. I really doubt I'll get it this year.


Is anyone else having troubles with the FCC during the shutdown?

Matt Overholt
[e-mail]

--
Matt Overholt


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From: Alper MADENOGLU <madeno@edirne>
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Subject: FM frequency spacing
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:34:38 +0300
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Does anybody know anything about frequeny spacing differences or any
differences between the US and the European FM broadcasts. My main
concern is buying a car audio from US and using it in the Europe some
dealer said that some models of the Pioneer car audio wont work well in
Europe because of the FM tuner? any comments?

thanx

Alper Madenoglu.



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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.951113183007.523D-100000@edirne>
           madeno@edirne "Alper MADENOGLU" writes:

> Does anybody know anything about frequeny spacing differences or any
> differences between the US and the European FM broadcasts. My main
> concern is buying a car audio from US and using it in the Europe some
> dealer said that some models of the Pioneer car audio wont work well in
> Europe because of the FM tuner? any comments?

In the UK, broadcasts can be on virtually any frequency ending at either
a 100kHz or 50 kHz boundary.  ISTR that most US spec tuners move in
200kHz steps on the odd 100 kHz boundary, so your dealer is giving you
very good guidance.  The stereo sub-carrier is the same.  Also there are a
number of non-essential advanced digital features available with most
European f.m. radio broadcasts related to following networks and also
finding taffic news reports, and these require European spec models to
enjoy.

Maybe a small portable receiver like a Sony ICF-7600G or ICF-SW55 would
be better to use both on a European car journey and also still be useful
at home.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
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From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:22:39 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: FM frequency spacing
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951113183007.523D-100000@edirne>
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.951113183007.523D-100000@edirne> Alper MADENOGLU <madeno@edirne> writes:
>Does anybody know anything about frequeny spacing differences or any
>differences between the US and the European FM broadcasts. My main
>concern is buying a car audio from US and using it in the Europe some
>dealer said that some models of the Pioneer car audio wont work well in
>Europe because of the FM tuner? any comments?

Gee, an honest dealer, hang on to him. The dealer is right. US Standard
Broadcast is on 10 kHz channels, European Standard Broadcast is on 9 kHz
channels, so the radio won't work right for AM. And on FM Broadcast, US
stations operate on 200 kHz channels set on odd 100 kHz boundaries, IE
96.1, 96.3, 96.5, etc. In Europe, FM stations may appear on any 50 kHz
boundary, so the US tuner won't be able to tune them properly. In the
days of analog tuners, this didn't matter, but with the near universal
use of digital synthesizers in car radios today, it does matter now.

Now some Japanese and European import radios sold in the US market
can be modified (often just a keypress combination or a zero ohm jumper
change, like with our amateur radios) to work with the European band plan,
but others can't. If you aren't sure the radio you are considering has
this ability, don't buy it for use in Europe.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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From: [e-mail] (Wm. H.  Brakman)
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Subject: Re: freq change for MRC 765 model airplaneradio
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Help needed.  I have a MRC-765 model aircraft radio that I would like to use.
It is circa 1976 and opperates on 72.160mhz.  I understand that in the early
1990's the FCC changed the specs for model radios.  Can anyone tell me what
this change means to my radio?  I have a schmatic for both the Tx & Rx.  I
would like to know if I can simply change crystals to a current channel or
should I try to move the frequency into the 6-meter ham band since I am a
lisenced amateur radio opperator.  Thanks for any and all help.


Hank  [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Norm Collins)
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Subject: Fusing Power Leads
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I have noticed that almost all installations of mobile radio
gear tell you to fuse both the Pos and the Neg lead going to
the battery.  Two questions:

1.  Why both leads?  Most (if not all) cars are neg ground
    anyway.  What protection does this offer when the pos is
    fused?

2.  If the equipment draws 18A max, what fuse should I choose?
    I assume that I would choose a slow-blow type and I'm guessing
    about a 10-12 A fuse in each lead?

Thank for your advice.  Please forgive me if this is a silly
question and I appreciate your patience.

Regards

Norm


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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
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Subject: Re: Fusing Power Leads
Date: 18 Nov 1995 02:02:50 GMT
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In article <48j3d0$[e-mail]>,
Norm Collins <[e-mail]> wrote:

>1.  Why both leads?  Most (if not all) cars are neg ground
>    anyway.  What protection does this offer when the pos is
>    fused?

The positive fuse will protect the positive side of the feed (fuse
should be as close to the power source as possible). If this lead
comes in contact with any "ground" down stream, it will blow the fuse
rather than short, and possibly catch fire.

The negitive side acts the same way...think for a moment if your neg lead
was not fused, and came into contact with a positive source (unfused), the
wire(s) would short, and continue to do so, resulting in damage and/or
fire.

>2.  If the equipment draws 18A max, what fuse should I choose?
>    I assume that I would choose a slow-blow type and I'm guessing
>    about a 10-12 A fuse in each lead?

With the newer transistorized equipment, I would not reccommend a "slo-
blow". Faster response here is crucial to protect the equipment.

If you put in anything lower than the max draw, the fuse will blow when
the device is at max draw. If the device's draw is 18 amps max (consider
peak too!), a 20 amp fuse would be recommended.

>Thank for your advice.  Please forgive me if this is a silly
>question and I appreciate your patience.

My father always said, "There no such thing as a dumb question...if you
dont know the answer." With that, theres no such thing as a 'silly'
question.    :)

--
  +=================================+===================================+
  |Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT |[e-mail] |
  |Electronic/Computer Tech. @ OSU  |radio: n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam|
  +=================================+===================================+


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:22:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Fusing Power Leads
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Keywords: Ham Fuse Mobile Power DC
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <48j3d0$[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 02:34:31 GMT
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In article <48j3d0$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Norm Collins) writes:
>I have noticed that almost all installations of mobile radio
>gear tell you to fuse both the Pos and the Neg lead going to
>the battery.  Two questions:
>
>1.  Why both leads?  Most (if not all) cars are neg ground
>    anyway.  What protection does this offer when the pos is
>    fused?

The negative lead fuse is there because the battery frame strap
can corrode or fall off. If this happens, full starter current,
200+ amps, will try to flow through your radio wiring negative
lead, through your radio, and on to a body ground connection at
your antenna. The radio wiring, and the circuit board traces in
the radio, can't handle this current, so a fire, or at least
radio damage, is a likely result.

In a typical modern amateur radio, the negative lead isn't connected
directly to the radio chassis. Instead it connects to a circuit board
trace internally. That may eventually find its way to case via the
output coax connector, or it may not, depending on the particular
radio design, but for sure the full current is going to attempt to
flow through at least part of the radio's circuit board printed
wiring to find its way to body ground.

And BTW, the reason you want to run a negative lead to the battery
at all instead of just using a convienent body ground for the negative
current return is that this latter method creates a ground loop.
The negative lead will be elevated by the IR drops of all other
current consuming loads on the auto which use a body return, and
that will modulate what the radio sees as its ground reference.
This will induce various electrical noises and spikes into your
sensitive radio circuitry. By running negative direct to the battery,
this potential ground loop is short circuited.

>2.  If the equipment draws 18A max, what fuse should I choose?
>    I assume that I would choose a slow-blow type and I'm guessing
>    about a 10-12 A fuse in each lead?

Kirchhoff's law says the same current flows around the entire mesh,
so you need fuses sized for the total current draw of the radio.
For an 18A draw, a 20 amp fuse in each of the hot and negative leads
would be appropriate. The fuses are effectively in series for the
current loop, not in parallel, so each has to be rated for the full
current draw. Slow blow types are not required. The circuit board
traces in your radio aren't slow blow, so neither should be the
fuse. (If the radio has a high peak to average current draw, say
it's a SSB transceiver, then you may want to use a slow blow fuse
rated for the *average* current draw and depend on the slow blow
feature to handle the momentary voice peaks. Consult your radio's
documentation for the recomended fuse.)

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:22:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Turner)
Subject: Re: Fusing Power Leads
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In article <48j3d0$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Norm Collins) wrote:
>I have noticed that almost all installations of mobile radio
>gear tell you to fuse both the Pos and the Neg lead going to
>the battery.  Two questions:
>
>1.  Why both leads?  Most (if not all) cars are neg ground
>    anyway.  What protection does this offer when the pos is
>    fused?
>
>2.  If the equipment draws 18A max, what fuse should I choose?
>    I assume that I would choose a slow-blow type and I'm guessing
>    about a 10-12 A fuse in each lead?
-----------------------------------------------------------------
The reason for a fuse in the negative lead is that if the ground connection
from the battery to the car chassis were to become open or intermittent, the
starter motor would try to draw current through the ground to your radio via
your coax back to the antenna.  I've seen pictures of what several hundred
amps can do to a radio, and it ain't pretty!!  If you draw out the schematic
it will become clear where the current paths are.

Actually, there's a better way to protect your radio, and that's to install a
capacitor in the lead connecting the braid of your coax to the car's chassis.
That way, you don't have to depend on a fuse blowing -- the starter current
simply won't flow in the first place.  A .01 uF disc ceramic should do the job
at most ham frequencies.  Also, DON'T add a separate ground wire from your
radio to the car chassis, unless you use the capacitor there, too.

As for the size of fuse, if the 18 amp max draw is intermittent (SSB or CW),
I'd use a 20 amp fast blow fuse.  If it's continuous (AM or FM) I'd use a 20
amp slow blow type.  If you experience fuse blowing for no apparent reason, go
up 5 amps.


73, Bill W7LZP
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai)
Subject: Re: Fusing Power Leads
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <48j3d0$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Norm Collins) writes:
-I have noticed that almost all installations of mobile radio
-gear tell you to fuse both the Pos and the Neg lead going to
-the battery.  Two questions:
-
-1.  Why both leads?  Most (if not all) cars are neg ground
-    anyway.  What protection does this offer when the pos is
-    fused?

It is to prevent a problem if the cable from the negative of the battery
to the vehicle body opens.  If that happens, all current, including the
heavy starter current would flow thru the radio and it's cables, causing
damage and a possible fire.  The circuit would be:

Bat + --- starter --- car body --- radio chassis via mounting screws or
antenna coax braid --- negative wire --- fuse --- Bat -

With the fuse there, hopefully it will blow before the radio...  The fuse
in the positive lead is, of course, to protect against shorts either in the
radio or the postive lead itself (iw. where it passes thru the firewall)

/mike


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\|/     Michael L. Ardai     N1IST             Teradyne ATB, Boston MA
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/|\     [e-mail]          [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (jim forest)
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Subject: Re: Fusing Power Leads
Date: 20 Nov 1995 18:36:33 GMT
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snip
>
>It is to prevent a problem if the cable from the negative of the battery
>to the vehicle body opens.  If that happens, all current, including the
>heavy starter current would flow thru the radio and it's cables, causing
>damage and a possible fire.  The circuit would be:
>
>Bat + --- starter --- car body --- radio chassis via mounting screws or
>antenna coax braid --- negative wire --- fuse --- Bat -
>
snip

if the negative cable opens hows the starter motor going to pull current
with out a completed current loop?

my 2 peso worth

jim



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From: [e-mail] (jim forest)
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Subject: Re: Fusing Power Leads
Date: 21 Nov 1995 20:42:54 GMT
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snip
>
>If the radio is wired directly to the battery and the battery's neg.
>cable opens, the NEW return path is through the moutning bracket of
>the radio or from the shield of the antenna to the radio and back to
>the battery via the radio's skinny little power lead . It's a huge
>draw even in warm climes, during a cold winter start the starter might
>attemp to draw upwards of 1000 amps through this "backup" of the
>battery's negative lead.
>
>Gary
>--
snip

agreed. i was trying to stimulate the conversation for a more complete
answer.
the above answer is why on all my vehicles i ground the main negative
battery lead to either 1. the engine block or 2. the mounting bracket that
holds the alternator to the engine block (not the alternator frame!). i
perfer method #2, this ensures that i will not have voltage sensing problems
between the alternator and the battery. it always seems that the engine
block method always has dirt,grease,paint etc between the negative lead and
the block, same thing applies for body or frame attchments.

any comments?
jim



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Subject: Get us off "ham" thread, please
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[e-mail] (InterSource ) wrote:
>In <4825eh$[e-mail]> Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>
>>I said: "I have a VIC 20 I want to trade for a IC-781" (how long do we
>>have read thesre messages where some ham wants to trade his junk for
>>something woth something).
>>
>>
>>From: KH2KQ@KA6EYH.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM
>>To  : [e-mail]
>
>
>Burt there is a Salvation Army Thrift Store in Thornton Colorado (on
>Washington Blvd.) that as of last week, had a box with 4 Vic 20's for
>sale for $10 --- is that a hint ???? --- surely you were not serious
>about that type of trade or was it a typo.>

{snippage}

Would you PLEASE remove rec.skiing.alpine from your posting header for this thread. We've been trying to remove this thread for a fe=
w days now.  We greatly appreciate it. Thank you in advance.

Your friends at rec.skiing.alpine



















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Subject: GPS Mapping software for laptop?
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I am looking for GPS moving map software the I can run on a laptop
any sugestions???

Dave Hand WB4HYP
dhand @ microdes.com




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I have about 20 of them but you can download them no problem. Go
into some ham related ftp  and check the files. Go via ftp sites
on the QRZ page to the Buffalo server and look at the files. You
should have no trouble.
Jim W2GC



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From: [e-mail] (Kenneth Vito Zichi)
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If you guys want to spam all the rec radio amateur gorups I couldn't care less
but why the H*ll are these stupid ham debate posts spilling into the
shortwave, scanner and puzzles (among others) groups.  Watch the
reply lines guys.  One spam is bad enough but when you all reply to all
the groups it is just plain RUDE.

Leave the rest of us in peace -- and if your must spam, do it via e-mail
to the original poster and again, leave the rest of us in peace.

Thanks for letting me rant.   73  //kvz


--
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                                      (PGP Public Key Available on Request)
"Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrante"  --Dante
         Kind of appropriate for the Internet, eh?


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Dan:
One meaning may be for "Society for the Presevation of Amplitude
Modulation." Otherwise, its a generic term for a meat product that was
invented during WW2 that is still put out in the market by Hormel (I think).


On 21 Nov 1995, Daniel Calzaretta wrote:

> I'm new to this.  What does "spam" mean?  Is it Italian or Latin for
> something?
>
>
>


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From: [e-mail] (John Keith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help locating source of Texas Instruments components
Date: 18 Nov 1995 14:45:46 GMT
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I am trying to locate a source for what I think are some components made by
Texas Instruments. The manufacturer's part numbers are TIL-32 (which is an
LED) and TIL-78 (which is a phototransistor). Could someone direct me to a
catalogue/electronics supplier that might have these parts?

Thanks for your help!

--
John Keith      [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Larry Lockhart)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: help with htx-100
Date: 18 Nov 1995 12:21:32 GMT
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While we are on the subject of the HTX-100

I need help on a radio I bought here on the rec.radio.swap section.
Maybe this is a common problem that others have seen but I am not
familiar with the radio.

The radio's volume cranks up VERY LOUD with only a quarter turn of the
volume control and the rf gain pot. It makes it almost unbearable to
listen to.

Any thoughts, comments, suggestions?

73's

de  KC5NVY



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From: [e-mail] (Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: help with htx-100
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 22:26:20 GMT
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>Hi Gary!
>       I was trying to enhance the audio responce of the mic.  I work ground wave
>alot in Detroit and people always were able to guess which type of radio that
>I was using based on the way it sounded.  I got the mod off of an article by
>KF2AT & KB2JPD

Thanks Hank
I forgot about that little anomoly.
I acquired an old precompressor unit from a hamfest several years ago.
It was designed probably for Chicken Band operators but I started
using it on the HTX100 so long ago I almost forgot about it.

Now that you have jogged my memory, audio was the pits!

Astatic makes a great mike also that has enough room to include the
scan buttons if you use them, the performs great on the HTX100.
I hope someone can help you with your reset problem.

Gary - KG0ZP





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From: Jeff Bruck <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How Do I find A test In San Diego
Date: 17 Nov 1995 04:50:57 GMT
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I am trying to find out when the next amateur test is, in San Diego.
Is there a listing of tests and times somewhere?  Is there a local
club that someone could recomend to me that could help me out!

Any Info would be appreciated.

Jeff

[e-mail]


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From: Danny BΘlisle <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: IC-2GXAT MODIF
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:04:18 -0800
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Hello,
My name is Danny BΘlisle ( VE2 DKA ), from QuΘbec, Canada, and i would
like the modification for my IC-2GXAT. IF you have it, please send me
at:
[e-mail]
Thank you very much !!!


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From: Rich Weinkauf <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: IC-706: what's best 2m/6m mobile antenna?
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:36:35 -0800
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John A. Sutliff wrote:
>
  Is there a single antenna that will allow both 2 and 6
> meter operation ( I know I'll need a duplexer to connect to both
> <60Mhz and>60Mhz antenna ports) with "acceptable" SWR?
>

I've been using the Comet CA-HV antenna with my IC-706 mobile
installation.  Comet makes a duplexer that splits <60MHz and
126-460MHz that mates beautifully with the 706 and the CA-HV.

The CA-HV simultaneously covers 2m, 6m, and up to two of the following
bands: 40m, 20m, 15m, 10m.  The 20m resonator is extra.  I have mine
setup to cover 2m, 6m, 40m and 10m.

If you are asking about a fixed station antenna, I am considering the
GAP Titan-III.  Gap makes a few antennas that cover HF and up into
VHF.

--
Rich Weinkauf, N8QLT
http://www.geopages.com/SunsetStrip/1338/
[e-mail]
-------------------------------------------------
       "Waiter, would you serve the nuts...
       I mean, would you serve the guests the nuts?"
                          --Nora Charles, "The Thin Man"

(I don't speak for my company, my leash isn't that long)


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From: [e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore~)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,uk.radio.amateur
Subject: Re: IC706
Date: 17 Nov 1995 16:30:43 GMT
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In article <CSLE87-1511950919040001@145.39.1.10>,
Karl Beckman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>The IC706 does NOT meet the FCC's technical requirements
>and is not permitted by ANRC.

I assume my friend will transmit only during emergencies,
which is legal and permitted by ANRC.

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


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From: [e-mail] (Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone])
Subject: Re: IC706
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I'm slightly disappointed with the specs of the IC706.  Why didn't
they include a synchronous detector for SWLing?  That'd be rather more
useful in a mobile environment than the WBFM coverage.
73, doug


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From: [e-mail] (Henry Turner)
Subject: Icom 820H mods needed
Sender: [e-mail]
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Hello everyone.   I am looking for any Icom 820H mods or info.

Any response will be gladly apprecieted

thanks



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From: [e-mail] (Tim English)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Identify batteries
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 19:17:12 GMT
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Perhaps gel cells from a large UPS system ?

[e-mail] (Seth Taylor) wrote:

>I have two 12V 40 AH batteries that appear to some type of
>storage battery that I can't identify as to type. They are slightly
>smaller than a conventional car battery, yellow case with a black top.
>The only markings on the side are "Choride Power" . They have what
>appear to be nickel plated large terminals. They are also sealed,
>with no vents and are very heavy for their size. I've checked in the
>engineering manuals and EEM and I can't seem to ID the vendor nor the
>type of cells. The only chloride variety that I could find is a zinc
>chloride which is a primary battery, not a storage type. I'm assumming
>that these are storage batteries, maybe aircraft type. Any ideas ?

Tim ([e-mail])






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From: [e-mail] (David Wells)
Subject: Re: Is it possible to send mail from Internet to packet net
Organization: cruzio
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:42:16 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
>My friend in Finland reads packet net mail/news. Is it possible to send
>mail from Internet to packet net? I mean is there any mail gateway of
>any kind in the world?
>
>How much I have to know about my friend's packet net address or
>radio amateur callname? I just know the real name :(
>
>Sorry, don't know much about radio amateur stuff but you are the
>experts to give me an answer.
>
>Thanks, Harri
>[e-mail]

Checkout the IDRA web page at http://www.iea.com/~adrs.
And yes it is possible.

Dave KD6TO



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Subject: Re: Is it possible to send mail from Internet to packet net
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It is possible to send mail from Internet to packet and there are many
servers. Problem is, you must be an amateur radio operator to do so.

                         Jim WB6LWS


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:23:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Lamartina)
Subject: Re: Is the Extra Class written really easer than the advanced
Organization: Magnus Online
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kevin r. "sonny" manos ([e-mail]) wrote:
: i didn't take the advanced and extra at the same time, but i aced the extra
: whereas i missed a few on the advanced. overall i found the extra to be
: easier for the same amount of preparation.


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From: [e-mail] (nunnya)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: LETS JAM!!!!fcc by by
Date: 20 Nov 1995 02:45:47 GMT
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Hey, now is your chance.....
for all you wimps that want to jam, but though the fcc might actually
catch you, well they been gone for a week now.
so jam your little harts out!
o,some  rules in the AA7UP jammimg hand book.....
1= AJM, " always jam mobile "
2= use a seperate reciever to see if you are making it over them
3= maximum power output
4= make sure you scan the simplex area when doing so, these dumb ass
bunny hunters will actually cordinate on the same band you r jamming..
"dont you brent"
he he, have fun folks!!!!!!!!
JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM JAM
JEFF




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From: [e-mail] (Alan Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: MODS FOR HTX-202???
Date: 19 Nov 1995 21:48:25 GMT
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Does anyone know of any modifications for the rs HTX-202 handie for out
of band receive or xmit?  Thanks for any info.  Alan N1UJU



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From: [e-mail] (Arjen Raateland)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Morse requirement level
Date: 17 Nov 95 20:53:20 EET
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In article <48ckb4$[e-mail]>, "Joe F.  BV/N0IAT" <[e-mail]> writes:
> no thanks....just go take 3 weeks and learn the code. Then you can use 10
> meters, 15 meters, 40 meters, and 80 meters.
>
> 73,  Joe
>
> BV/N0IAT in Taipei, TAIWAN R.O.C.

Well, that estimate unfortunately goes for just a few people. I've
read messages about how fast somebody learned the code. Good for them!
I've been at it for 2 years now, I think, and I've progressed, but I
don't think I'm there yet. I find it hard to concentrate long enough.
In a QSO there are repeats, redundancy and a standard way to conduct a
minimal QSO which helps to stay on track, but random text at a test is
a different matter.

In many countries the requirements seem to be higher than in the USA.
E.g. in Finland and in Holland one needs to be able to send at 12 wpm
with no uncorrected mistakes and only a limited number of corrected
mistakes allowed. Copying requirements are also strict, only 5 to 8
mistakes(=letters) maximum. One word of 5 letters missed is 5
mistakes.

In Finland there is also an extra requirement for a full license in
that one has to have 300 CW contacts before taking the 12 wpm test. I
tried CW on 2 meters when I was in Holland. The two QSO's I made took
almost half an hour a piece and I didn't copy much of the other
stations exchange. I can send much faster than I can copy with my
keyer, even though I haven't done much sending practice. PSE QRS
didn't have any effect. So 300 QSO's might take a total of perhaps 200
hours quite apart from the fact that it is very very quiet on the 2 m
CW band.

I understand that the current requirements are probably not like the
requirements that were once set for professional morse operators, but
this is just a hobby and as the morse requirement has nothing to do
with safety or radio technique, it should be sufficient that a person
complies with the ITU regulations about CW for HF licensees in a
minimal way.

The morse requirements look probably moderate in the eyes of the
administrators and hams setting them, because these officials are
commonly either former professional 'sparks' or old timers.

A novice license is available, but 80, 40, 15 and 10 m aren't so great
for everybody. 80 and 40 require too much antenna space and the rest
is mostly dead now. How make 300 CW QSO's on dead bands? I have no
appetite for contests.

Understand me well, I haven't even looked in the direction of phone
transceivers for HF and have a Sierra CW QRP set on order that I'm
very much looking forward to build. I want to do CW on HF, because the
rigs are relatively simple to make and experiment with and not too
expensive. Simplicity was once the reason why I designed and built
home brew FM and not SSB rigs for VHF. And the reason to build a rig
at all? Not just to make QSO's. No rather more for experimenting,
exploring radio and electronics, learning more at one's own pace. I
thought that the radio amateur service was about that.

The CW requirements look very much like an effective obstacle intended
to keep (technically competent) people away from HF. It's hard enough
for a city dweller to get a signal out (and in). How to fit an antenna
on a small balcony so that it isn't noticed, how to avoid RFI and
still get out on some band?

Radio amateur organisations should work towards easying CW
requirements and allow all HF licensees free choice of bands. And no
minimum number of CW QSO's for a full license, please.

THIS IS A HOBBY. IT SHOULD BE FUN.

AND NOT REQUIRE MORE TIME TO PURSUE THAN IS AVAILABLE FOR A HOBBY.

--... ...-- -.. . --- .... ..--- --.. .- --..
Arjen Raateland, SAS Support
Finnish Environment Agency
Helsinki, Finland
.-.-. -.-


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Morse requirement level
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Arjen Raateland) writes:
>In article <48ckb4$[e-mail]>, "Joe F.  BV/N0IAT" <[e-mail]> writes:
>> no thanks....just go take 3 weeks and learn the code. Then you can use 10
>> meters, 15 meters, 40 meters, and 80 meters.
>
>Well, that estimate unfortunately goes for just a few people. I've
>read messages about how fast somebody learned the code. Good for them!
>I've been at it for 2 years now, I think, and I've progressed, but I
>don't think I'm there yet.
[snip]
>The morse requirements look probably moderate in the eyes of the
>administrators and hams setting them, because these officials are
>commonly either former professional 'sparks' or old timers.

These are good points. Those amateurs who claim Morse is easy to learn
forget that they are a self-selected sample. Those who found Morse very
difficult usually never became amateurs (at least prior to the recent
code test free Techs). A relative few people who found Morse very difficult
persisted for the months or years needed to pass the test (it took me
13 months with a couple hours practice a day for example), so the average
amateur doesn't think learning Morse is a problem because most of those
around him in amateur radio typically didn't find it difficult. That's
the self-selection factor at work.

I hear some of you saying, "So what, if they want to be amateurs they'll
put in the work." That would be a reasonable attitude if Morse were still
an essential for amateur communications, but it no longer is. Neither the
ITU charter nor our US Part 97 define amateur radio as a Morse communcations
service. Morse is merely one of many techniques amateurs can use to explore
radio communications. CCA'34 says that the FCC  must craft regulations to
make available to the public access to radio communications "to the greatest
extent practical". Applying what is now an irrelevant barrier to amateur
licensing is not in keeping with the spirit of the law.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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From: [e-mail] (David Drumheller)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Movie Maker Logo and CW
Date: 16 Nov 1995 15:41:03 GMT
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In article <487v4a$[e-mail]> Kelly Qualls
<[e-mail]> writes:
> I think it was a company called RKO.  Don't know what the message was.
>
> 73's
>
> Kelly Qualls
> KC5DEN
>

   Yes, it was RKO.  The Morse code is the same as the text that appears
around the trademark.  I think is says "AN RKO PICTURE."  If you can copy
code, listen next time.  Even if you can't normally copy as fast as it's
sent in the film, you can still copy it because the text prompts you.

   More Morse code trivia: At the end of the credits during the last
episode of the Ken Burns' series "Radio," you hear a Morse code message
that says "BASEBALL NEXT."  This, of course, was the name of the nine part
(inning?) series that appeard on PBS a few years later.

-Dave, KA3QBQ
--
David Drumheller                  phone: [phone]
Acoustics Division, Code 7140       fax: [phone]
Naval Research Laboratory
Washington, DC 20375-5350   e-mail: [e-mail]


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From: BIG D <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Movie Maker Logo and CW
Date: 20 Nov 1995 01:55:24 GMT
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>   More Morse code trivia: At the end of the credits during the last
>episode of the Ken Burns' series "Radio," you hear a Morse code message
>that says "BASEBALL NEXT."  This, of course, was the name of the nine part
>(inning?) series that appeard on PBS a few years later.
>
>-Dave, KA3QBQ
>--
>David Drumheller


Another one for you.  At the end of each TV episode of 'Inspector Morse' (usually on
PBS), the theme song cleverly weaves in the word 'Morse' via a series of monotone
beats.

Don, N1ECE



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From: [e-mail] (Larry Weissman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: My wife even thinks hams are....
Date: 18 Nov 1995 19:47:32 GMT
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>This call is just so typical of hams, brave at a distance.

>gutless hams who hide behind their mikes.

>Burt Fisher
>K1OIK

Sounds a lot like you Burt, hiding behind a keyboard.


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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: My wife even thinks hams are....
Date: 19 Nov 1995 14:07:28 GMT
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[e-mail] (Larry Weissman) wrote:
>
>>This call is just so typical of hams, brave at a distance.
>
>>gutless hams who hide behind their mikes.
>
>>Burt Fisher
>>K1OIK
>
>Sounds a lot like you Burt, hiding behind a keyboard.

My address is in the callbook, would you like to meet IN PERSON?



#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:23:15 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: My wife even thinks hams are....
Date: 21 Nov 1995 11:06:47 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary McDuffie, Sr.) wrote:
>On Mon, 20 Nov 1995 01:44:54 GMT, [e-mail] (Jeff Stillinger)
>wrote:
>
>>frustrated that he can not reply as alztimers sets in and he won't be
>
>Alztimers?
>
>Gary McDuffie, Sr.

I would have replied to Jeff but could not find anything worthwhile in his
message.

As far as "Alztimers" it is a disease to pass ALL TIME. Otherwise it is
called traffic passing or Contesting.




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|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




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From: [e-mail] (Paul Case)
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Subject: Re: NEED CASH?!!...Don't You?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: NEED CASH?!!...Don't You?
>Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 17:07:11 PDT


>Get fucked by a German shepard.

Why, is that what you do for fun?


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From: [e-mail] (Steven K. Smith )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Newsgroup abuse???
Date: 18 Nov 1995 21:26:44 GMT
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X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Nov 18  1:26:44 PM PST 1995

  While I agree that some who post to this group are a pain in the
rear, I don't think that they should be not allowed to voice thier
views. If someone wants to make a fool of themself then stand back and
let them do so.
  This media is different than being on the air. If someone is jamming
your dx qso that's wrong. If they call on top of you during a contest
you get pissed off. But here, it's easy to side step the unpleasent. I
choose not to read messages from certain people. And I enjoy most of
the group. As far as the endless threads, just don't read them. If you
have to batch download all the posts in the group, upgrade to a better
system.

If you pick it, it will never heal.

de N6QBZ


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From: [e-mail] (Stan Huntting)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Newsgroup abuser
Date: 17 Nov 1995 19:20:43 GMT
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This message received today from ...

>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 95 12:31:08 -0500
>From: Jason Yanowitz <[e-mail]>

>Thank you for your note about Burt Fisher and our system,
>meol.mass.edu.  We are aware of his incredibly net-unfriendly
>activities.  Unfortunately, there is very little we can do, because
>his untoward behavior is not originating from our system.  He has our
>address in his signature, but he is very careful to use ccsnet.com for
>all his abusive postings.  Were he doing it from our system, we could
>and would take swift action.

>If you see any abusive messages originating from meol.mass.edu, please
>send us a copy (including the header), so we can act on it.

>We realize how annoying Burt Fisher's posts are, and if there was
>something we could do, we would.  Please let others know about this,
>so they can direct their anger at the correct source
>([e-mail]).  If you sent us this message as a result of a
>plea to do so in a newsgroup, could you let us know the newsgroup, so
>we can post a public explanation of Burt Fisher's relationship to our
>system, as well as a request to learn about _any_ abuse, by _any_
>user, coming from our system.

>Thank you,
>Jason Yanowitz
>(a MEOL system administrator)

--
Stan Huntting,    KF0IA
Postal Address:   4655 Pleasant Ridge Rd.,
                  Boulder, CO 80301-1731, USA
email:            [e-mail]
KaWin Home Page:  http://www.mutadv.com/kawin/
KaWin FTP Site:   ftp.csn.net in the directory /kawin



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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Newsgroup abuser
Date: 17 Nov 1995 23:21:43 GMT
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[e-mail] (Stan Huntting) wrote:
>This message received today from ...

The following is only PART of Yanowitz's libel:


>>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 95 12:31:08 -0500
>>From: Jason Yanowitz <[e-mail]>
>
>>We realize how annoying Burt Fisher's posts are, and if there was
>>something we could do, we would.  Please let others know about this,
>>so they can direct their anger at the correct source
>>([e-mail]).  If you sent us this message as a result of a
>>plea to do so in a newsgroup, could you let us know the newsgroup, so
>>we can post a public explanation of Burt Fisher's relationship to our
>>system, as well as a request to learn about _any_ abuse, by _any_
>>user, coming from our system.
>
>>Thank you,
>>Jason Yanowitz
>>(a MEOL system administrator)


Thank you for forwarding and posting this defamatory message. I was
unaware I was being libeled by anyone in MEOL. MEOL has no use for me
whatever for entirely different reasons than users here would think.
Through my activity in exposing their wasteful government spending I may
have caused them to lose many positions and money. Even when I did post
from MEOL they were ineffective in removing me. Methinks they need another
look at what remains of their boondoggle.

A copy of this response will be sent to Yanowitz and I expect him to
apologize to me, esspecially since his message was posted for thousands to
see. If he does not I think I will be calling my state re AGAIN about
what is going on at MEOL. He had no right to say a word more other than
there was nothing he could do because I do not post from MEOL.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:23:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Newsgroup abuser
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 03:10:37 GMT
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Thank you for forwarding and posting this defamatory message. I was
>unaware I was being libeled by anyone in MEOL. MEOL has no use for me

        You aren't.  The person from MEOL said that you were annoying.
Insofar as that's a factual question, the statement is true, and
insofar is it isn't a factual question, it was a protected statement
of opinion.

        If you really think that it's libel for someone to say that you're
annoying, feel free to attempt to sue me for it.  I'd welcome the
entertainment, as well as the verdict for malicious prosecution that I
would almost certainly receive after your case was dismissed.

        Burt, not only are you incredibly annoying, most of your posts are
phenomenally stupid.  To ask yet once again, if you hate hams so much,
why are you one?

--
Dan Brown, KE6MKS
[e-mail], NOT [e-mail]
Don't tread on me.
E-Mail published at my discretion.



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From: [e-mail] (Dan Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Newsgroup abuser
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>what is going on at MEOL. He had no right to say a word more other than
>there was nothing he could do because I do not post from MEOL.

        Just as a P.S., ever hear of the First Amendment?  He had every right
to say what he said.

--
Dan Brown, KE6MKS
[e-mail], NOT [e-mail]
Don't tread on me.
E-Mail published at my discretion.



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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Newsgroup abuser
Date: 19 Nov 1995 14:17:35 GMT
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[e-mail] (Dan Brown) wrote:

>       You aren't.  The person from MEOL said that you were annoying.
>Insofar as that's a factual question, the statement is true, and
>insofar is it isn't a factual question, it was a protected statement
>of opinion.

Annoying is a matter of opinion. I get many messages that think I am a great
poster, lots of humor. It is OPINION. BUT the poster from MEOL was
representing Mass. Ed. ON LINE and had no right to post HIS opinion
on taxpayer time. He is giving OFFICIAL sanction and thus has gone too far.
What if I a said on here that one of my students was a slut, named her and
could prove it? Would that be ethical?



>       If you really think that it's libel for someone to say that you're
>annoying, feel free to attempt to sue me for it.  I'd welcome the
>entertainment, as well as the verdict for malicious prosecution that I
>would almost certainly receive after your case was dismissed.

You are merely representing yourself and there is no damage done to me thus
no basis for a tort. By the way malicious prosecution is VERY hard to prove.
All you need to prosecute is some reason that has some legitmate basis.


>       Burt, not only are you incredibly annoying, most of your posts are
>phenomenally stupid.  To ask yet once again, if you hate hams so much,
>why are you one?

Your opinion.
When I was a wimp and a dork I got a license. There is nothing as bad as a
reformed smoker except a reformed ham.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:23:24 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Newsgroup abuser
Date: 19 Nov 1995 14:19:29 GMT
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[e-mail] (Dan Brown) wrote:
>Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>what is going on at MEOL. He had no right to say a word more other than
>>there was nothing he could do because I do not post from MEOL.
>
>       Just as a P.S., ever hear of the First Amendment?  He had every right
>to say what he said.


On his OWN time from HIS OWN equipment with only his OWN name, I would
agree.

But he gave it official sanction.

He will apologize or he will wish he had.

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:23:25 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Newsgroup abuser
Date: 19 Nov 1995 21:48:58 GMT
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[e-mail] (Steve Sampson) wrote:

>Ethically you'd be wrong.  But ethics doesn't count anymore.  With the schools
>dumping out so many lawyers, the public is merely a target.  Wrong is when you
>don't have enough money or backing to win.

As OJ proved.




>Q: What do you get after 20 years of pumping out lawyers instead of engineers?
>A: Clinton for President, fat women trying to get into the Citadel, and a 5
>    trillion deficit.

Well stated.





#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Newsgroup abuser
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:23:08
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>What if I a said on here that one of my students was a slut, named her and
>could prove it? Would that be ethical?

Ethically you'd be wrong.  But ethics doesn't count anymore.  With the schools
dumping out so many lawyers, the public is merely a target.  Wrong is when you
don't have enough money or backing to win.

Q: What do you get after 20 years of pumping out lawyers instead of engineers?
A: Clinton for President, fat women trying to get into the Citadel, and a 5
    trillion deficit.



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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
From: "Dale Cary" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Newsline 953 Update...
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 17:02:17 +0000
Approved: [e-mail]
Sender: news
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Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
From: "Dale Cary" <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 17:02:17 +0000
Subject: Newsline 953 Update...

In Newsline 953 sent out earlier today the http address in the last
story should have been:

                http://www.scott.net/~wa4fat

It was correctly listed in the header.  Sorry for this correction.
TNX, Dale - WD0AKO


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Cummings)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!
Date: 16 Nov 1995 14:49:17 GMT
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Mark Johnson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <485ns1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Nathan Ryan Gingras) writes:

: >Petitions:
: >Let's petition for 10m priveleges. organize local Amateur clubs, hand out
: >fliers... WRITE the fcc. Talk to anyone, and EVERYONE... tell them what
: >you think about the advantages of no-code 10 m, and let's see what kind
: >of difference we can make!

: You're a few weeks too late. The WRC-95 World Radio Conference apparently
: debated this issue and decided that, for now, the amateur community would
: continue to require proficiency in Morse for operating privileges below 30
: MHz. Unless the US is to abrogate the treaty under which we participate in the
: WRC (not likely, since it requires an act of Congress, that can't even get a
: budget passed), the FCC's hands are tied.

Not true.  The debate that was momentarily considered at WRC-95 was the
acceptance of the Government of New Zealand's proposal to amend the agenda
to modify ITU Radio Regulation 2735.  The conference decided that this was
not the time to debate this issue, I suspect for reasons that most other
administrations were not prepared to do so.  Thus Morse code testing was
not affirmed after a debate, but was left in place because the conference
did not wish to do so.  I understand that there was general agreement that
this agenda item would be welcome item for debate at the next or
subsequent WRC.

I must admit that I am by no means an expert on U.S. jurisprudence, but I
believe that the elimination of Morse code testing for operation below 30
MHz would NOT be an abrogation of the ITU Radio Regulations.  In like manner
of the Japanese administration with their HF no-code amateur certificates,
the FCC, in accordance with RR 342, could exercise its rights of
derogation of the provions of the ITU radio regulations provided that
harmful interference would not be caused or experienced by stations that
continue to operate within the ITU Radio Regulations.  Again, this is my
opinion and the question should be referred to someone who is competent
in U.S. legislation and international law.

73 and live better digitally
Jim, VE3XJ





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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!
Date: 16 Nov 1995 21:21:45 GMT
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>In article <48d70j$[e-mail]>,
>Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>I have talked around the world with 5 watts out of my car.
>>
>>-Drew in Charlotte-
>> KF4DDM
>
>On 15 & 75 meters?

No, on 10-11 meters.  Who said anything about 15 & 75?

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
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Date: 17 Nov 1995 15:10:50 GMT
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In article <48ga19$[e-mail]>,
Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In article <48d70j$[e-mail]>,
>>Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>>I have talked around the world with 5 watts out of my car.
>>>
>>>-Drew in Charlotte-
>>> KF4DDM
>>
>>On 15 & 75 meters?
>
>No, on 10-11 meters.  Who said anything about 15 & 75?
>
>-Drew in Charlotte-
> KF4DDM

The post you replied to!




--
  +=================================+===================================+
  |Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT |[e-mail] |
  |Electronic/Computer Tech. @ OSU  |radio: n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam|
  +=================================+===================================+


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:23:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <485ns1$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark Johnson) writes:
>
>You're a few weeks too late. The WRC-95 World Radio Conference apparently
>debated this issue and decided that, for now, the amateur community would
>continue to require proficiency in Morse for operating privileges below 30
>MHz. Unless the US is to abrogate the treaty under which we participate in the
>WRC (not likely, since it requires an act of Congress, that can't even get a
>budget passed), the FCC's hands are tied.

Actually, WRC-95 *didn't* debate the issue. Instead they handed it off
to a committee to put it on the agenda for a future WARC. You're right
though that the FCC won't act until the treaty language is modified.
That could happen as early as 1997, but is more likely to be delayed
until 1999. The value of petitions now is to remove the illusion that
the amateur community doesn't desire changes. The FCC has publicly
stated that the only reason they've continued to support a Morse
test is because the amateur community demands it. What they really
mean by that is that the ARRL demands it, since that's the 800
pound gorilla they listen to when they want the sense of the amateur
community. Short of getting the ARRL to reverse field and demand
elimination of the Morse test, amateurs who want to see this change
must be vocal directly to the FCC to disabuse them of the notion that
the ARRL speaks for all of us on this issue. That will then allow
the FCC to look favorably on modification of Article 32 at a future
WARC.

(A cc to the ARRL is warranted too. Miracles do happen, and the
ARRL might change its position if it gets enough pressure from
the membership.)

>Right now, I doubt the FCC is answering its phones anyway. I suspect that
>they're not on the list of "essential services" under the current gov.
>shutdown.

Too true, but the sacks of mail will be waiting for them when they
come back. This has to be a long term effort. Change isn't going to
come overnight, and those wanting HF *now* had better disengage their
brains and become modems to pass the Morse test. This effort has to be
aimed at making things better for those who follow in the years ahead.
It is unlikely to make a difference to those desiring HF access now.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 16:31:07 GMT
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In article <48fj1d$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim Cummings) writes:
>Mark Johnson ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: You're a few weeks too late. The WRC-95 World Radio Conference apparently
>: debated this issue and decided that, for now, the amateur community would
>: continue to require proficiency in Morse for operating privileges below 30
>: MHz. Unless the US is to abrogate the treaty under which we participate in the
>: WRC (not likely, since it requires an act of Congress, that can't even get a
>: budget passed), the FCC's hands are tied.
>
>Not true.  The debate that was momentarily considered at WRC-95 was the
>acceptance of the Government of New Zealand's proposal to amend the agenda
>to modify ITU Radio Regulation 2735.  The conference decided that this was
>not the time to debate this issue, I suspect for reasons that most other
>administrations were not prepared to do so.  Thus Morse code testing was
>not affirmed after a debate, but was left in place because the conference
>did not wish to do so.  I understand that there was general agreement that
>this agenda item would be welcome item for debate at the next or
>subsequent WRC.

Yes, most likely not until 1999, however.

>I must admit that I am by no means an expert on U.S. jurisprudence, but I
>believe that the elimination of Morse code testing for operation below 30
>MHz would NOT be an abrogation of the ITU Radio Regulations.  In like manner
>of the Japanese administration with their HF no-code amateur certificates,
>the FCC, in accordance with RR 342, could exercise its rights of
>derogation of the provions of the ITU radio regulations provided that
>harmful interference would not be caused or experienced by stations that
>continue to operate within the ITU Radio Regulations.  Again, this is my
>opinion and the question should be referred to someone who is competent
>in U.S. legislation and international law.

The US can do this, and has on rare occasions in the past. But it is
unlikely to do so in this case. In general, the US has tried to avoid
using footnoted exceptions to ITU regulations, doing so only when a
vital national interest was at stake. This policy is founded on the
notion of leading by example. The fear at Foggy Bottom is that if we
start taking exceptions to treaty language, other nations will do so
also and the value of the treaty process will be decreased.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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From: [e-mail] (KA9EGW)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!
Date: 18 Nov 1995 17:34:54 -0500
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"The end result of shielding men from their folly is a world of fools".  I
have seen what no-code did for VHF.  Only a fool would want the same for
HF.  Of course, God forbid that anything stand in the way of
Icom/Yaesu/Kenwood selling more HF rigs to make $$$ to let them buy up
more of this once-great country with.


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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!
Date: 18 Nov 1995 10:53:03 -0500
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In article <48injj$6ai$[e-mail]>,
        Hans Brakob  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>More than 90% are "HF No Code". They have UHF/VHF privileges
>and slices of 5 or the 9 HF bands (No 20m, no WARC). Power out
>is limited to 10Watts.

Sounds like our CB-radio band, only with operating privs on
"amateur" bands.

MD
--
--
-- "Who needs looks when you've got taste?"
--


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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
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Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 22:38:54
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[e-mail] (KA9EGW) writes:
>I have seen what no-code did for VHF.

200% increase in activity.  Ham radio was dying on the vine prior to
restructuring the antiquated coded-license.

If you can find a CW key jack on an Alinco, Icom, Kenwood, Radio-Shack,
or whatever, VHF/UHF/SHF radio, I'll say we should go back to the bad old
days, and run CW based licenses again.

>Only a fool would want the same for HF.

I have an HF radio.  I listen to it.  I listen to what is going on and try to
decide if I want to participate.  Will studying 13 wpm and upgrading, give
me pleasure I ask.  From what I can tell, the HF bands are a cesspool of
the failed Great Society.  1 out of 50 conversations I listen to are
interesting, and well done.  The rest are retired old white men, who hate
all other races, are mostly democrats, and can't stand anything.

It's a non-issue.  Real men aren't going to spend $2k to get on HF, code or
no code.  They may spend $50 to build a CW rig.  But SSB is a wasteland.
I think the ARRL should abandon all awards.  Having done that, it would
remove from the bands the awful non-communications bad habits.

--
Steve/n5owk (coded)
Socialist Democrat
"Spend, Spend, Spend! -- Screw the kids, live now!"



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From: Thomas  Brockdorf <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!
Date: 21 Nov 1995 17:30:16 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>In article <48ou4a$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (William C. Thompson) writes:
>>> The FCC has publicly stated that the only reason they've continued to
>>> support a Morse test is because the amateur community demands it. What they
>>> really mean by that is that the ARRL demands it, since that's the 800
>>> pound gorilla they listen to when they want the sense of the
>>> amateur community.
>>
>>That the ARRL does the amateur community a lot of good is undeniable. I would
>>however, not be a ham today, if the ARRL had had there way. I will join
>>and support the ARRL, when they start listening to the growing majority of
>>ham operators. I will not give my money to a group whose primary purpose
>>seems the preservation of Morse code. I would advise other No-codes the
>>same. They will listen to there purse, long before they listen to your
>>dissatisfaction. That means no ARRL repeater manuals, no books, courses,
>>etc. Thats what I am doing.
>
>I think you're wrong, Sarge. I urge every amateur to join the ARRL,
>and to *vote*, and if necessary to run for office in the ARRL. You
>won't change them by ignoring them. You've got to be inside to make
>changes. Remember the ARRL is a non-profit membership organization
>with an all volunteer Board of Directors. As long as the DXCC and
>contest awards keep churning out, they'll have a core constituency
>who won't back off, whether you buy a book or not. Making money isn't
>their prime motivation. The only way to change the ARRL is to take
>over the reins of the ARRL, and you can't do that from the outside.
>
>Gary
>--

Gary,
I agree with you.
People keep slaming thE ARRL. I truly believe that without the
ARRL to represent us, there would be little or no Amateur radio
as we know it.
I don't always agree with everything they do, but we do need them
very much to represent our interests.

73 de Thomas AA9IS




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From: [e-mail] (Leigh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Novice/Tech Questions via FTP?
Date: 18 Nov 1995 00:47:48 GMT
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Several friends have expressed interest in getting the Novice and Tech
tickets.  (One is an ex-ham who was active in the '60s.)

Is there an Internet source for the current "pool" of exam questions?
(One individual currently can't afford a published study guide, and I'd
like a FTP source, if it exists.)

Thanks in advance from Leigh/KM6JE.



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From: [e-mail] (jeff wright)
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Subject: Re: NYC Marathon question
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:14:38 -0500
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Michael:

Is it possible they were using the repeater to do the id'ing for them?
Since they are in effect a "special event" with what I would assume the
repeater owner's (Club's???)  permission...would that satisfy the
id/control point questions?  Could they be using the club/repeater's call
sign?  I assume the repeater id's every 10 minutes or less, either in code
or synthesized voice.

Jeff Wright
KC5NEZ







In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael L.
Ardai) wrote:

> I was in New York last weekend, and I listened in to some of the Marathon
> nets.  They were all well run, but one thing stood out.  I heard almost no
> callsigns.  I listened to the South net (446.67) and the medical net (445.07)
> for about an hour on each.  Net control gave a general net ID, along with his
> call at the top and half of each hour, and stations ID'ed when they were
> excused for the day, but for all of the other calls into the net, I only
> heard tactical calls.
>
> I am just curious where people were ID'ing with their own callsigns?  The
> only thing I can think of was that people were IDing without PL and therefore
> the IDs weren't picked up by the repeaters.  I am used to the final message
> in a qso with ncs to include both tactical and FCC calls (station 12, N1IST
> clear).
> /mike
> --
> \|/     Michael L. Ardai     N1IST             Teradyne ATB, Boston MA
> -*- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> /|\     [e-mail]          [e-mail]


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:23:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: NYC Marathon question
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (jeff wright) writes:
>Is it possible they were using the repeater to do the id'ing for them?
>Since they are in effect a "special event" with what I would assume the
>repeater owner's (Club's???)  permission...would that satisfy the
>id/control point questions?  Could they be using the club/repeater's call
>sign?  I assume the repeater id's every 10 minutes or less, either in code
>or synthesized voice.

It doesn't matter. Each transmitter still has to identify individually
every 10 minutes during the activity and again at the termination of
activity. Tactical calls can be used in between. That remains true even
if all the stations are operating under a common club call sign. Each
RF carrier must still be identified. The FCC allows tactical calls
specifically so you won't run afoul of the prohibition against transmitting
false or deceptive identification, but that doesn't waive the 10 minute rule
for a regular legal ID.

We face a similar situation in Broadcast. We can use jingles or slogans
as "tactical" IDs, but we still have to give a full legal ID at least
once an hour, at the first natural break nearest the top of the hour.
Amateurs have to ID more often, but the principle is the same. The
purpose of IDing is to determine who's responsible for that particular
RF carrier in case it may be causing some problem to others.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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From: [e-mail] (Karl Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NYC Marathon question
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:05:32 -0500
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In article <48q1n8$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Clay Irving) wrote:

>
> From the 1995 New York City Marathon Amateur Radio Operators Manual,
> page 3:
>
>   "When initial logistical traffic lightens up the NCS will intiate
>    a roll call. From that point on, only use your location as an
>    identifier when you call into the net. i.e. "mile five to net"
>    or "net from mile 21"."

From FCC Rules, Part 97.119(a):
"Each amateur station, except a space station or telecommand station, must
transmit its assigned call sign on its transmitting channel at the end of
each communication, and at least every 10 minutes during a communicartion,
for the purpose of clearly making the source of the transmissions from the
station known to those receiving the transmissions.  No station may
transmit unidentified communications or signals, or transmit as the
station call sign any call sign not authorized to the station."

I don't think that the old hack "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" will
hold water against an FCC citation.  On the other hand, when was the last
time that FCC Field Enforcement Office even wrote a citation??  Food for
thought.....

--
Karl Beckman, P.E.                <     If our English language is so    >
Motorola RNSG Pvt Data            <   precise, why do you drive on the   >
Schaumburg, IL  /  Parma, OH      <   parkway and park on the driveway?  >
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From: Mike Gathergood <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Phoney-netics
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 12:03:22 GMT
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Overheard in my office yesterday, a secretary giving a zip code over the
phone: 'X for Christmas'

73
Mike                  * QRV around 0800 and 1800 most weekdays on GB3HL *
G4KFK                 * (Hillingdon 433.075/434.675) and also 51.83 MHz *


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From: [e-mail] (Keith Wyatt)
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>Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 18:35:42 GMT
>From: [e-mail] (charles copeland)
>Subject: POST YOUR BEST SSTV RX'd PICS ON THIS THREAD!
>
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>charles copeland <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>I have recieved a bunch of SSTY pictures on my SW radio (Sony 2010)
>>with HAMCOM and JVFAX.  Some have been incredibly clear.
>>
>>Since there is no rec.radio.amateur.sstv.binaries, these newsgroups
>>seems appropriate.
>>
>>

Please don't post your files in this newsgroup. That is not the purpose of
this mail list.
Thank You,
Keith Wyatt <[e-mail]>
Peace through understanding.

This Message is Copyright 1995 and may not be reprinted in any form
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From: [e-mail] (Robert C. White Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Proto-newbie in Denver seeks advice
Date: 18 Nov 1995 22:40:31 -0700
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Greetings out there!

I recently purchased the ARRL guide, _Now You're Talking_ from my local
Radio Shack.  I've completed about 1/3 of the lessons and have found it
to be very informative and well written.  It seems that a lot of my
interest and experience in electronics will serve me well whilst
studying for the novice license.

This book covers both the Technician and Novice licenses.  My immediate
reaction is to try and learn the material for both licenses.  What do
you think of this (and their) approach?

I personally am
interested in "talking on the radio" to serve a specific purpose
such as weather spotting, emergency services,  or information exchange
about the hobby.  I saw a show about remote Indian villages visited by
Bush pilots on occasion in the Canadian Arctic last night -- it would be
a thrill for me to QSO some of the town operators, or as a Native American
myself, communicate with them about conditions in the far north.  I know
that alcohol's availability is a big concern.  Anyway...

CW interests me quite a bit, so
I think it makes sense to go after the Novice license with the 5 wpm test.
At 5 wpm,  My mind stands a good chance of staying ahead of my hand ;-)
(Is there any relationship between one's ability to type versus one's ability
to transmit CW?  I type about 120 wpm.  I just ordered a key and a CPO from
Universal Radio, so I do not know what my abilities are as of yet.)

One reason CW appeals to me is because it is the only mode permitted on
80 and 40 meters which I perceive to be DX bands (from my SWL experience).

I have a few questions which perhaps one of you can answer:

1) What would be a good "starter rig" for CW?  I'm fairly confused by all
   the options out there.  While not made of money, I can save up for and
   purchase a receiver costing > $1,000 if necessary.  I expect to stay
   in this hobby for a  long time.

2) The ARRL publication strongly suggests finding other hams in your area
   to benefit from the collective wisdom.  Does anyone know how to contact
   hams in Denver?  If not, I will write to ARRL.

3) Do most people around the world transmit CW in English?  If not, does
   an alphabet exist for other languages such as Arabic or Russian?

4) Can CW be legally transmitted by computer?  i.e, you know CW, and
   are licensed to transmit this mode, but
   you prefer to have the software send the information.  What about all
   the nasty hum generated by the computer?  Is that frowned upon?

Thanks in advance, and please be gentle with me  -- I have been studying for
only a few weeks and may have made a total fool out of myself asking a question
above.

Thanks in advance,

and, (let me give this a try) good listening and 73s.


[ Robert C. White, Jr.                               [e-mail]     ]
[                                                    WhiteStar Corporation ]
[     Love me, love my malamute.                     Cartographic Data     ]







From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:23:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jose Antonio Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: qsl route to VP2EE
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:20:32 GMT
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Bill Bennett <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I am not a Dx'er at all! but my nefue who is a no code had the oportunity
>to contact VP2EE in the west indies, i would like to send out a qsl card
>for him!
>any one have the address, route, or manager
>post here or i could have a pile of e- mail
>73
>bill
>kc6yox

Try:

VP2EE(70)                VE3EUU
VP2EE(82-83+91)          AA4NC
VP2EE(90)                W9ZRX+KA2OUZ
VP2EE(92)                KA3DBN

Best 73



From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:23:48 1995
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From: Hans Brakob <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack and HT Sales
Date: 17 Nov 1995 15:09:34 GMT
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> I worked for RS for a year.  They know it requires a license to use
> ham radio.  They don't care.  If you have the money, they will sell
> to you.  I never would do it.  It really pissed off the manager.

Technically speaking, you probably were breaking the law by refusing
the sale.

There are a number of reasons an unlicensed person might
purchase amateur equipment, such as a person preparing for the
test, buying a gift for a ham, etc....

By the way, why all the heat on RS?..... I can call any number of
1-800 numbers in the back of QST and order equipment with no
license/call shown or asked for.

73, de Hans, K0HB

--
- - - "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
      indistiguishable from magic."  A.C.Clarke

- - - Have you performed some magic this week?


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From: DOUG GAVILANES <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: RADIOAFICIOANDOS ENLAZADOS VIA INTERNET
Date: 16 Nov 1995 06:54:03 GMT
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Saludos desde la zona W6,
             Que tal si la proxima vez usamos una repetidora de 2M o
440MHz en Los Angeles? El sistema de 1.2 GHz no tiene mucho uso aqui en
Los Angeles. Les felicito por el hecho. Acabo de comprar Internet Phone y
reconozco que hacer la conexion resulta sumamente facil. Voy a averiguar
si hay alguna repetidora mas accesible que quiere participar para otro
enlace. Hasta pronto,

73 cordiales desde Disneylandia,

Douglas Gavilanes Russo, N6XQY
[e-mail]




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From: Chris Boone <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Repeaters masking tones
Date: 18 Nov 1995 17:13:34 GMT
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IF the RINGING keys the TX and is caused by a person CALLING the phone line,
that is NOT telemetry....that is a singal that someone is calling in on the
phone line and is against FCC rules concerning 3rd party tfc and station
control


Telemetry is one thing, people CAUSING the TX to key up is not telemetry.
read the definition of telemetry in Part 97

73
Chris
WB5ITT
--
Senior Telecommunications Technician            [e-mail]
ENTERGY/Gulf States Utilities                   1:106/4267 FIDOnet
ARRL Technical Specialist- South TX             WB5ITT - PG-9-5322


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Repeaters masking tones
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <48l47u$iot$[e-mail]>
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In article <48l47u$iot$[e-mail]> Chris Boone <[e-mail]> writes:
>IF the RINGING keys the TX and is caused by a person CALLING the phone line,
>that is NOT telemetry....that is a singal that someone is calling in on the
>phone line and is against FCC rules concerning 3rd party tfc and station
>control
>
>Telemetry is one thing, people CAUSING the TX to key up is not telemetry.
>read the definition of telemetry in Part 97

The repeater is operating under automatic control, and it is the automatic
controller which is keying the repeater, as you programmed it to do, in order
to report a status change it has detected. It's telemetry.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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From: [e-mail] (Alejandro Cubel)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: SCANNERS / 800 MHZ
Date: 18 Nov 95 20:56:46 GMT
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Does anyone know if  there are  any scanner in  the US market with 800mhz
band easy to mod ?
In my country they are no restriccions to receive cellular band.
I have a Kenwood TM 732 , but the step on 800 mhz dont match the standard in
CX. (30 khz).
Thanks 73 from
CX9BBL



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From: "The Pledge, at Student Pugwash USA" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Sign This Pledge for a Better World
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(With apologies for duplicate postings.)

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technology are used in socially responsible ways.  I will not use
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environment.  Throughout my career, I will consider the ethical
implications of my work before I take action.  While the demands
placed upon me may be great, I sign this declaration because I
recognize that individual responsibility is the first step on the
path to peace."
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or contact:
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Mack)
Subject: Software announcement, v1.1 of AZPROJ mapping proj available
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Keywords: azimuthal equidistant projection software, GNU licence
Sender: [e-mail]
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
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Announcement: AZPROJ11.zip (approx 950kb) and AZP10-11.zip (60kb)
are available on


nic.funet.fi/pub/ham/antennas
and
oak.oakland.edu/pub/hamradio/pc/ham-utils

Michael NV3Z's home page
http://access5.digex.net:80/~michaelk/

contains a demo map, links to e-mail and ftp sites. Michael is
bicycling across the USA (finishing late Nov). 'Til he gets
back and updates the page, the ftp links will be to old (or
maybe non-existant files).


        (V1.1 is a bug fix for v1.0. V1.0 did not run on Postscript
printers, if a grid.dat file was sent before the .wdb files. v1.0
ran fine under Ghostscript. Unless you have a real Postscript
printer and want to plot worked grids, you do not need this fix.
The whole suite of files is available as azproj11.zip. The fix
only is in azp10-11.zip.)


        Azproj v1.1 is a collection of postscript files and data
files for generating azimuthal equidistance projections of the earth
from (almost) any point on earth. It can plot color maps of the
surface of the earth on any scale, draw and/or label grid squares,
show worked grid squares on a band(s) of your choice, dxcc
countries (and countries worked an a particular mode, eg CW/SSB),
mountain tops, rovers, repeaters, beacons and can use NMEA input
from a GPS receiver to center the map.


        Azproj can be run on ANY computer (Mac, PC/DOS/Win/DVX, Unix)
and output to a postscript device (printer, ghostscript runing on a
unix or DOS machine with a  ghostscript compatible printer, eg
HPcolor inkjets). Ghostscript will also allow display of the maps
on screens.


        Although a rudimentary understanding of postscript will
help in running azproj, sample .bat files are supplied to make
initial maps and it should be possible to make simple changes to
the az_ini.ps and *.bat files to get the maps you want.


        To display the maps on a screen or to use a
non-postscript printer, you should first obtain ghostscript
(available for PC (DOS, Win, DesqViewX) or Unix) from your
favorite ftp site (try ftp.cs.wisc.edu/pub/ghost)


        The azproj files are GNU copylefted.

        Joe Mack NA3T, [e-mail], [e-mail]
        and
        Michael Katzmann NV3Z, [e-mail]



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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Someone is playing me!
Date: 21 Nov 1995 11:02:43 GMT
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Someone is posting messages that appear to be by me, but are not.

However:

1. They are good at appearing to be me.

2. They are funny.

3. They HELP me in any concern that my service provider may have
that I am innocent because who can tell what I write and I do not.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




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From: [e-mail] (Watts)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Tek 604 CRT Display Diagram?
Date: 21 Nov 1995 11:45:20 -0700
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I have a Tektronics model 603 CRT display unit.  It has a little problem with
with it's -30 volt supply (it's only -25.6 volts, manual sez -30 exactly) and
the manual I have is a poor photocopy, missing some horizontal lines, etc.

Does anyone know where to get a better copy or even a real manual?  I only
need the diagram marked 'Low Voltage Power Supply/Regulators' and is a
schematic of same.  The bottom says (I think): "603/604  Rev H June 1976'.

havin' fun,
galen, KF0YJ


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From: [e-mail] (Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The Anti-ARRL Broadcast Group- what is it?
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 22:28:14 GMT
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Send me info too!
A group like this I WOULD JOIN!!!

Gary - KG0ZP




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From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
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[e-mail] (Gary V. Deutschmann) writes:

>Send me info too!
>A group like this I WOULD JOIN!!!

Typical gang reaction.  Gangs are popular because destroying everything
is easier than building anything.  That's why gangs attract the scum of
society.

If your goal was to compete in a positive way, you would have to work.
Rather than work, you'd rather just spray paint your gang slogan on our wall...

Scum.



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If I fix a HAM & CHEESE on Jewish Rye, is it KOSHER, or must I use
Kosher Pickles to get the effect?




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Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.
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Date: 18 Nov 1995 23:09:32 GMT
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        What about free BEEF???


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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: The Q5 signal
Date: 17 Nov 1995 22:13:49 GMT
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At one time, in the 1930 and before era, the QSA report was widely used.
Often the SA was left out.  A common expression was "you are very QSA".
Also QSA 1 to 5 was used.  This was before the RST system was adopted.
The RST system was suggested by Braden in QST for October 1934.


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From: Gary Watts <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The Q5 signal
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:59:00 -0600
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Ham radio has progressed a long way in 60 + yease


On 17 Nov 1995 [e-mail] wrote:

> At one time, in the 1930 and before era, the QSA report was widely used.
> Often the SA was left out.  A common expression was "you are very QSA".
> Also QSA 1 to 5 was used.  This was before the RST system was adopted.
> The RST system was suggested by Braden in QST for October 1934.
>
>



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From: [e-mail] (Richard Karlquist)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Transmitting reference signal over long distance
Date: 18 Nov 1995 23:58:40 GMT
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In article <489jpr$[e-mail]>,
Per-Tore Aasestrand <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In a project I am working on, I need to transfer a
>reference frequency signal from a central site to
>several remote sites via cables. The distance is
>typical 1-2 km, but in extreme cases it could go up
>to 8-9 km.
>
>The reference signal is today at 100 MHz, but we are
>considering moving it to 10 MHz. It is characterized
>by *extremely* low phase noise. The total system is
>conceived in such a way that it will to a large extent
>cancel any imperfections present in this reference. It
>is therefore important that the characteristics if the
>reference is preserved during the transmission. The
>spectral properties up to 3-5 kHz from the carrier are
>important.
>
>Due to these requirements, we have at the moment
>excluded the use of radio transmission of this ref.
>signal due to the introduced doppler distortion. We
>feel that using a cable is the only practical solution
>at this stage. We are considering both optical and
>copper cables.
>
>Does anyone here have *any* ideas or suggestions for
>how to do this? Specific references to cables and
>drivers would be appreciated. Any ideas on how to
>calculate the theoretical performance of such a cable
>distribution system?
>
>Regards,
>Per-Tore

Is this is a ham-radio project or a commercial project?
In either case, you should get copies of the last 5 years
of the Proceedings of the IEEE Frequency Control Symposium
(FCS) and the Proceeding of the Precise Time and Time
Interval Application and Planning Meeting (PTTI).  PTTI
is run out of the US Naval Research Laboratory.  Numerous
papers have been presented by JPL about their systems of
distribution of 100 MHz.  I think that would give you a
good start.  Also, if you want to send me email with more
details (like actual specs) of what you're doing, we may
be able to help you here at Hewlett-Packard.  You might
also want to talk to our Optical Communications Division
in San Jose about fiber optics.  If we can't help you
ourselves, we can probably refer you to the right person.

An alternative to what you are doing would be to generate
the reference separately at each site using our 5071A
cesium clocks.  The cesium clocks can then be synchronized
to within a few nanoseconds using our proprietary GPS
common view technique.  One reason JPL doesn't do this
is that their reference is a hydrogen maser locked to a
cesium clock, and hence they would have to have an H-maser
and cesium at each site.  H-masers are much bigger and
more expensive than cesium clocks.

Rick Karlquist
N6RK
Also, Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Alfred Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: TRW Swap Meet
Date: 19 Nov 1995 11:31:07 -0800
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> Can someone tell me the when and where of the TRW radio equipment swap meet? I
> am looking for an old Hallicrafters SX 99 rcvr. Any other ideas where to check?

Last Saturday of each month at 7 am.  Rain or shine in the Manhattan
Beach area.  Talk-in repeater 145.320 - PL 114.8


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---
Alfred Lee                                                       [e-mail]
KE6KGV           'The answer is (e^iπ + 1) ? "No" : "Yes"'


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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Two edged sword Kenny baby.
Date: 17 Nov 1995 23:07:05 GMT
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Gerald Schmitt <[e-mail]> wrote:
ost but my perspective may differ from yours. If you were
>standing on my front lawn yelling the crap you post I would have
>the cops haul you off maybe some folks see your sysop as a cop.

But I am not on your property and skip my "crap" is very simple.
It is not required reading.



>No actually I don't this is deadly serious. The on going sig
>about the wife in a teddy blah blah. The continuous referrals
>to sexual inadequacy among hams. Psychology is not my discipline
>but from my layman's point of view Freud would have a ball with
>your posts and answers to most criticism.

The "teddy" sig was not even mine, I stole the tag. As far as Freud or
anyone else you are welcome to think whatever but I do believe "those that
do, don't talk and that that don't, do."

>I am glad to hear this fascination is reserved for those of
>us on the net. Perhaps you are an entirely different person
>at home and in school but we can only judge by the face you
>wear here.

I am somewhat more reserved off the net but only somewhat.
I sometimes wonder about hams and their frustrations. Luckily
most would not act.


>Why thank you Burt but was it interesting?

>Best wishes
>
>Jerry
>

You were interesting.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Two edged sword Kenny baby.
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[e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk) wrote:
>
>maybe someone can get burt's principal on the line in amateur radio and have
>him start reading the news...maybe it might make for some interesting discussion
>at review time...
>
>Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group

Methinks the subject title of this message is being lost on you.
It ought not be.



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|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
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| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
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From: [e-mail] (Jan-Petter Bakke)
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Subject: Voice operated switch
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From [e-mail] Thu 16 Nov 95 07:56:52
Path: Norway.EU.net!usenet
From: [e-mail] (Jan-Petter Bakke)

hello

I'm searching for a VOX implemented in a chip. Please mail me direct on
[e-mail] if you know any supplier for this.


Jappe






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From: [e-mail] (Samuel R. DiSalvo )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Waiting for first license
Date: 19 Nov 1995 07:37:42 GMT
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What is the usual waiting period between taking an exam (tech) and
receiving the license in the mail?

(I know that the Fed shutdown is going to make the wait even longer!!!)

                                             Sam - Medina, Ohio


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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Wayne Green of 73 Magazine on Talk Radio
Date: 17 Nov 1995 23:08:12 GMT
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[e-mail] (Keith) wrote:
>Wayne Green the publisher of 73 Magazine will be on the Art Bell
>program at 1am PST. To find a local station that carries art bell

Birds of a feather???


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
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| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:24:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What does "Q5" mean?
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:42:30 GMT
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On Fri, 17 Nov 1995 17:40:18 GMT, [e-mail] (WarrenRing)
wrote:
>In article <488h4p$[e-mail]>,
>Bryan Weaver <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Does anyone know of a FAQ giving all the CW "Q" sigs? Or do you have a list
>>you could email to me?  Thanks & 73.
>
>I would also like to know what the meaning of "Q5" is.
>

I've never heard anyone use "Q5" on cw. The "Q" codes have some merit
on CW, but i'd bet this "Q5" stuff is more of the 10-4 good-buddy
language that is so prevalent now on the ham bands.  Years ago the
hams i know called ops that used "Q" codes on voice lids. Now it's the
norm. "We be "Q5" and 10-100 here. Destinated an' on the side
standin-by   - roger -"

-be





From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:24:13 1995
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Subject: What other think of K1OIK
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From: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 95 06:54:14 EST
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Call removed below to protect my supporter from being attacked:


id BBBJANEM ; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 17:25:12 -0500
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 18:20:42 -0500
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.

Sir,
I am afraid you are entirely too witty for this newsgroup; you will have to
leave.  This newsgroup is devoted to bitching about who posts what and does
anyone have a filter for some godawful piece of junk that is so old it has a
hand crank to get it started.
If you persist on being clever and witty in this area we will hunt you down
and do unbelieveably evil things to your person with cooking implements and
small hand tools.
Just thought you would want to be forewarned...

73

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From: jgoecks <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What other think of K1OIK
Date: 20 Nov 1995 20:40:09 GMT
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[e-mail] (John R. Cunliffe) wrote:
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >Call removed below to protect my supporter from being attacked:
> Burt you still don't know when somebody mocks YOU
>
> >Sir,
> >I am afraid you are entirely too witty for this newsgroup; you will have to
> >leave.
> Saying take a hike jerk!
>
>  This newsgroup is devoted to bitching about who posts what and does
> >anyone have a filter for some godawful piece of junk that is so old it has a
> >hand crank to get it started.
> This news group is for real people only.
>
> >If you persist on being clever and witty in this area we will hunt you down
> >and do unbelieveably evil things to your person with cooking implements and
> >small hand tools.
> Means stay away or...............
>
> >Just thought you would want to be forewarned...
> Last warning
>
>    John R. Cunliffe   N2NEP
>    [e-mail]
>    fax# [phone]
>    http://home.eznet.net/~cunliffe/
>







Nah,  you have to look at the whole tone of the letter.  It has a

few sinister elements, but overall, it seems to be supportive of

heated chats on the net.  A little excitement doesn't seem to hurt.



If the tone had been worse, I am sure statements would have been made

re: threats.









Jim Goecks WA7UKS


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Subject: Re: What other think of K1OIK
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[e-mail] (John R. Cunliffe) wrote:


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From: Kevin Kelleher <kevink>
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Subject: Re: What some think about sexy hams
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After reading the original "sexy hams" message, I see that the hams in
question where not anatomical, but radio hams.  Sorry.  I just assumed
that in a rec.running, hams were the... well you know.



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>>I've only been an amateur radio operator for 18 years and I would have to
(snip)
>>Don't let the bad apples spoil the excitement that can be found in amateur
>>radio, there is something there for everyone (wives/girlfriends too).

>Speaking of HAM radios, could this group help me out?  Every time I go and
>dive with my radio set, the fuse blows.  What's the trick here?

Next time you dive make sure there is water in the pool.

Bill - K5MIL



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Subject: Re: What some think about sexy hams
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What is all this???




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Subject: Re: What some think about sexy hams
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Please add rec.org.mensa.flame.flame.flame to this thread.

And let me say that I love running behind a woman with sexy hams.



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Subject: Re: What some think about sexy hams
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Sarah Godfrey ([e-mail].) wrote:
: What is all this???


Sarah, this is a thread with a hitherto untrimmed followup-to line.

Since this doesn't fit anywhere else in the known ham radio universe, I'm
going to arbitrarily set the followups to rec.radio.amateur.misc.

I don't know where it started from.

KG7YY (posting from rec.pyrotechnics)


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Subject: Re: What some think about sexy hams
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>Speaking of HAM radios, could this group help me out?  Every time I go and
>dive with my radio set, the fuse blows.  What's the trick here?
>

Ah, yes...
There was a time when having a HAM ticket *meant* something...
When a fuse blows consistantly, it's because there's more current going
thru the fuse than the fuse is rated to carry. The fuse, being a safety
device, blows to prevent this excess current from flowing, possibly
damaging something.
Check to make sure the fuse is the proper rating for the gear. Do *not*
replace it with a higher-rated fuse! If it is the correct fuse, then the
gear is drawing too much current. This needs to be corrected. Maybe it's a
short in the power line, maybe the gear is not a boat anchor. Either
extreme, and all points in between should be checked, and corrected.
Good luck.
Bill



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In article <48q0d2$[e-mail]>, Bob Crownfield
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Bill Funk <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> >>Speaking of HAM radios, could this group help me out?  Every time I go and
> >>dive with my radio set, the fuse blows.  What's the trick here?
> >>
> >
> >Ah, yes...
> >There was a time when having a HAM ticket *meant* something...
> >When a fuse blows consistantly, it's because there's more current going
> >thru the fuse than the fuse is rated to carry. The fuse, being a safety
> >device, blows to prevent this excess current from flowing, possibly
> >damaging something.
> >Check to make sure the fuse is the proper rating for the gear. Do *not*
> >replace it with a higher-rated fuse! If it is the correct fuse, then the
> >gear is drawing too much current. This needs to be corrected. Maybe it's a
> >short in the power line, maybe the gear is not a boat anchor. Either
> >extreme, and all points in between should be checked, and corrected.
> >Good luck.
> >Bill
> >
>
> Bill:
>       Why are you talking about radios in rec.scuba? How did this ham
> chat get lost in rec.scuba in the first place?

Personally, I think a group of less than laudable people got together and
decided to have fun by posting a series of totally meaningless messages in
a set of totally inappropriate places.  Theater of the absurd.   Okay guys,
we've seen it; I give it a 3 on difficulty and a 4 on creativity.   No
medal, not even honorable mention.  So, wrap up the production, go away...
don't call us, we'll call you.


---

If I was smart, I'd have a clever .sig


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:24:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
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Christopher K Greenhalgh ([e-mail]) wrote:

: >As I said earlier, my solution to the problem is an answering machine with
: >two voicemail boxes.  The phone simply doesn't ring.  Yes, it annoys some of
: >my friends that they have to go through the screening process, but they do
: >understand why it's necessary.

: Ok Jim, but wont those people continue to call back? They sure do at my house.

If you mean my friends, or others to whom I have given my number, yes, they
do call back.  I tell them in advance that they will always get the machine,
unless they plan to call back right away, then I flip the ringer to "on."
Otherwise, their instructions are to talk for a few minutes, and I will pick
up if at home.

As far as telemarketers, they may call back, but they will always get the
machine.  Not one has ever left a message, which would not be returned,
anyway.

Jim


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From: [e-mail] (John Meaker)
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Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 18 Nov 1995 05:40:16 GMT
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Christopher K Greenhalgh ([e-mail]) wrote:

   [DISCUSSION OF CALLER ID DELETED]

: "Time wasted"!? Are you kidding!?
:
: Your phone rings....you run to your IDer...you look at the number...you
: try to recall if its a ligit call...while your doing this, the machine picks
: up...they may or may not leave a message...either way, they are going to call
: back...you now have a tape full of messages, which takes up space, that you
: have to erase!

   My caller ID phone rings with a different tone for friends, so that I
don't have to get to the phone to tell if I want to answer it.  The newer
answering machines will give different messages depending on who calls.
That means that if I have a message for you, such as, "I'm not home, but you
can call me on '94," you can get that.  For my brother who isn't a ham, the
message would be different.  For the junk caller who has made 10 of the last
24 calls, the message would again be different.  (BTW, I knew they were pests,
but I didn't realize it was that bad until I looked just now.)

: And remember you do this every day.

   Not really.  In the last 28 days there were only 24 calls, 17 were junk,
(10 from one source) and the other 7 were legitimate.

: Well my friend, the jokes on you...they ARE wasting your time. <BIG grin>

   It wasn't that long ago that hams played with new technology.  Why? Just
because it was there.

   There is a use for this new-fangled toy.  Let's not be afraid of what we
don't understand; lets get back to the spirit of the amateur pioneers and
just play with this stuff.  How could we use it?  Keeping away the junk
calls (70% in my case), personalized message boxes and I'm sure there are
other uses.

   In the good old days, folks said that radio was a waste of time also.
I'll admit it, the jokes on me... I AM wasting my time, but what fun I'm
having in the process.

--
                         John Meaker -=- kr4ah


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From: [e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel)
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Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
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In <48aldj$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh) writes:

>On most providers, and many in-house phone networks, there is no
option
>to "disable" the block.
>

Then the solution is simple, don't block your number in the first
place.  Do you have something to hide?  Do you make harrassing calls?
Why would a business block their number?

There is also a distinct difference between an intentional block and
the system simply not being able to provide the number.  Remember, only
an intentional block is blocked by the caller i.d. box.

Regards,

Duffy


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From: [e-mail] (Glenn Thomas)
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
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Well...as in most alleged technological advances, you can use CID and get
both it benefits and drawbacks or not use CID and get the benefits and
drawbacks of that!

You all will simply have to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of each
option in the context of your own situation and choose the option that you
think is best for you. Some of you will choose to block CID and some won't.
Some of you will choose to deepsix calls with CID blocked and some won't.

If you want to ignore CID blocked calls, it seems better to have your own
box at home that does this. there are two reasons. The first is that it puts
you in charge of the conditions under which your phone will ring - something
that telco may or may not agree to. Second, unwanted calls will in fact be
answered by your machine, thus requireing the caller (perhaps) to pay for
his folly.

Telemarketers are awful annoying. I think the best tactic is to make the
calls as expensive for them as possible. When I don't have something
more important to do, I'll spend as much time as possible listening to
them (speaker phones make this easy if you're cooking dinner, washing
dishes or sitting on the throne) and then not buy anything. If enough
people do this - or just don't buy the stuff - telemarketing will be
abandoned as unproductive. I NEVER buy from telemarketers - even if
they're selling something I want, for just this reason.

- Glenn


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From: [e-mail] (Walter Eric Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 18 Nov 1995 11:20:30 GMT
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Glenn Thomas ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I NEVER buy from telemarketers - even if
: they're selling something I want, for just this reason.

There are other reasons, too.  They may just be trying to get your
credit card number.  You may never get any merchandise while they
charge your card to the limit.


What I normally do is hang up on people as soon as I realize they are
selling something -- no "not interested", no "f___ you", just a
hangup.  Occasionally though, I have tried to catch them off guard.

One of the best was the time a saleswoman asked for Mrs. Johnson.  I
replied that she couldn't talk to her because she was being punished
and was not allowed to speak to anyone at all.


Eric Johnson



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From: [e-mail] (J. Duffy Beischel)
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Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
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In <48adpq$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh) writes:

>
>IMHO, this whole thread has snowballed to the size of a house. A
telephone
>is a duplex communication device. If you want to communicate, lift up
the
>receiver. If you dont wish to communicate, then dont! Its that simple.
>
>I too became victim of a 'anonymous caller' blocked number. My office
phone
>is part of their own network, and 'id' as anonymous to caller ID
boxes.

My office is part of a network that will provide the i.d. when I call
home.  Second, if the phone making the call has not deliberately block
the number, but only not supported the caller i.d. function, the
display on the receiving end will say "out of area."  These calls are
not blocked by automated devices.  The automated rejection feature will
only block a call that has had the caller i.d. deliberately turned off.
 It can be turned off on a per call basis, by the phone company when
you have an unlisted number, or by a company that deliberately turns it
off at their PBX.

>This guy that wanted me to call him, had 'anonymous call' blocker on,
and I
>got the recording telling me to "..unblock..". Since I was unable...I
did
>not call him. Later he called, and wondered why I didnt call him. I
informed
>him why, and also that I thought it was HIS fault...not mine.
>
If you look in your phone book, you can get the code sequence to
disable the call block.  It is just as simple as dialing a few number
before dialing your number for a per call block.

>Again IMHO, people with caller ID are either paranoid, deadbeats, or
both.
>Its VERY easy for me to say to a tele-marketing rep, "Thanks for the
call,
>but Im not interested." and promptly hang up.

It is not being paranoid to ask those that call you to be identified.
Plenty of telemarketing companies call, and as long as they are not
intentionally blocking their numbers, we take their calls.  There is
something funny about a company that calls you on the phone and does
not want you to know where they are calling from.  Seems like a
possible scam.  What caller i.d. has done for us is stopping the
harrassment calls.  If you call as a joke, we'll know who you are.

Regards,

Duffy




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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whats ur name Radio Shack
Date: 19 Nov 1995 23:02:51 GMT
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In article <48o03k$[e-mail]>,
Rich Mulvey <[e-mail]> wrote:

>: On most providers, and many in-house phone networks, there is no option
>: to "disable" the block.
>
>   Far from it.  There's a legal requirement that residential service
>recipients MUST be able to disable the blocking.  Just ask your phone
>company for instructions.
>
I stand corrected...providers do indeed offer 'unblocking', however, my
large company in-house network, as I stated before, do not.  :(


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  +=================================+===================================+


From Unknown Tue Nov 21 19:24:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Murnane)
Newsgroups: aus.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WIA Web page now on line
Date: 18 Nov 1995 11:09:26 +1100
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Hi all,

The New South Wales Division of the Wireless Institute of Australia,
now has its own WWW page. The URL is


    http://sydney.dialix.oz.au/~wiansw

The pages are still being developed, so I would appreciate any
comments and feedback you have.

73 Richard VK2SKY



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From: [e-mail] (Robert Casey)
Subject: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight.  Yuck
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First time in a while, I was tuning around the 80 meter band with an
old general coverage SW receiver, and heard some people arguing and
insulting and idle threats being tossed about.  Even someone played
music for a minute or so.  Had to check that I had tuned 3.88 MHz
instead of 27.something it was so bad.  Some guy who IDed as "N2YEE"
(who really knows if he was really that license holder) from Edison NJ
said "a**hole", "crap", and similar things.  Someone else IDed as
"W4UVS" (again, may not be real).  At around 3:45 to 4:30 zulu on
Nov 22 zulu.

Did the people of 14.313 move down to here?  :-(  t


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From: [e-mail] (charles copeland)
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight.  Yuck
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In article <48vukq$[e-mail]>,
Jon Shay  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Robert Casey)
>writes:
>>
>>First time in a while, I was tuning around the 80 meter band with an
>>old general coverage SW receiver, and heard some people arguing and
>>insulting and idle threats being tossed about.  Even someone played
>>music for a minute or so.  Had to check that I had tuned 3.88 MHz
>>instead of 27.something it was so bad.  Some guy who IDed as "N2YEE"
>>(who really knows if he was really that license holder) from Edison NJ
>>said "a**hole", "crap", and similar things.  Someone else IDed as
>>"W4UVS" (again, may not be real).  At around 3:45 to 4:30 zulu on
>>Nov 22 zulu.
>>
>>Did the people of 14.313 move down to here?  :-(  t
>
>That's nothing....N2YEE is a Tech......another lamer!
>Big Jon.....KC5MOP

Listen to 3853 sometime. Or other 80 meter "regulars". Seems 80 meters
is the CB band of HAM radio.



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From: Mike Whatley <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight.  Yuck
Date: 23 Nov 1995 19:30:41 GMT
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So what? 75 mtrs is far more fun than listening to the dying old men
that are so pervasive in the hobby. Most hams are poorly read,
inarticulate and poor conversationalists. 75 mtrs offers cheap
thrills and folks that don't take themselves or the hobby seriously.
-mike

--
Mike Whatley


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From: [e-mail] (DORR DEPEW)
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Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight.  Yuck
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Robert Casey) writes:
> Had to check that I had tuned 3.88 MHz
> instead of 27.something it was so bad.  Some guy who IDed as "N2YEE"
> (who really knows if he was really that license holder) from Edison NJ
> said "a**hole", "crap", and similar things.

No, you weren't imagining things, Bob!  80 meters has become the new
hangout of choice for "hams" who think amateur radio is CB on steroids.
It's disgraceful some of the garbage that goes on...frequency hogging,
rudeness, obscenities, etc.

Just another reason why my Mode switch stays on CW and my mike isn't
plugged in!  ;-)

73,

Dorr
N4QIX


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From: Dave Hockaday <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Bur
Date: 25 Nov 1995 04:29:22 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
>73>I'm always amused at these Johnny come lately's like this punk Drew
>73>KF4DDM who equate passing a code test with intelligence. We
>73>certainly don't need anymore losers like this fool KF4DDM in the
>73>hobby.
>73>mike wa4d
>73>--
>73>Mike Whatley

>hi mike.
>go to hell.
>yes, it sure sucks when someone (drew) takes the shit you've been
>rubbing in his and many other no-code advocates (cw keeps the lids out)
>and rubs it back in yours.  why is it that when people have the shit
>they've been rubbing in others faces for so long rubbed in theirs, it
>suddenly tastes so foreign to them?
>
>he made a statement.
>he's right on the money.
>
>
>greg
>
>kd6ven

Nice language



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Subject: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Bur
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73>I'm always amused at these Johnny come lately's like this punk Drew
73>KF4DDM who equate passing a code test with intelligence. We
73>certainly don't need anymore losers like this fool KF4DDM in the
73>hobby.

73>mike wa4d

73>--
73>Mike Whatley

hi mike.

go to hell.

yes, it sure sucks when someone (drew) takes the shit you've been
rubbing in his and many other no-code advocates (cw keeps the lids out)
and rubs it back in yours.  why is it that when people have the shit
they've been rubbing in others faces for so long rubbed in theirs, it
suddenly tastes so foreign to them?

he made a statement.
he's right on the money.


greg

kd6ven


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Subject: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Bur
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KD>In article <492ph8$[e-mail]>,
KD>     Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:

KD>>And just think...these guys ALL passed 13WPM Morse tests!
KD>>
KD>>Some lid filter, sin't it?

KD>You're assuming that they all used their real callsigns, aren't you?

KD>MD
KD>--
KD>--
KD>-- "Who needs looks when you've got taste?"
KD>--

doesn't matter if they used their real callsigns or not.  i wouldn't
bother going out to purchase a $1500 HF rig just to hoot and holler on
80M.  i don't have the required license class and it would be a waste of
money to me.

greg
kd6ven


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From: Mike Whatley <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Bur
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Greg--

Tsk-Tsk. Go to hell?? Kinda tacky. And using feces as your analogy?
Pretty lame.

Drew and the other Johnny come lately's aren't really hams. (Real
Hams have General class tickets or higher.) But it doesn't really
matter because it's a dead hobby. No-Code HF tickets will be here
soon enough and you and your generation will be rendered irelevant
in addition to you impotence.

Ciao-

-mike

--
Mike Whatley


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Subject: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Bur
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73>Greg--

73>Tsk-Tsk. Go to hell?? Kinda tacky. And using feces as your analogy?
73>Pretty lame.

from what i gather, you seem to have more a problem dealing with fecal
matter than i do.

73>Drew and the other Johnny come lately's aren't really hams. (Real
73>Hams have General class tickets or higher.) But it doesn't really

no, you're the only real ham here, and you've demonstrated it in your
intelligent attacks against those you feel threatened by.

73>matter because it's a dead hobby. No-Code HF tickets will be here
73>soon enough and you and your generation will be rendered irelevant
73>in addition to you impotence.

no they won't, and you don't see me whining about the whole issue like
you are.  and as far as impotence goes, that has no relevance to the
conversation.  i get sex more in a week than you probably do in a year.


73>Ciao-

73>-mike

73>--
73>Mike Whatley

see you in hell.

greg
kd6ven


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From: [e-mail] (Scott Leaf)
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Burt Fisher?!
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Robert Casey)
wrote:

-> First time in a while, I was tuning around the 80 meter band with an
-> old general coverage SW receiver, and heard some people arguing and
-> insulting and idle threats being tossed about.  Even someone played
-> music for a minute or so.  Had to check that I had tuned 3.88 MHz
-> instead of 27.something it was so bad.  Some guy who IDed as "N2YEE"
-> (who really knows if he was really that license holder) from Edison NJ
-> said "a**hole", "crap", and similar things.  Someone else IDed as
-> "W4UVS" (again, may not be real).  At around 3:45 to 4:30 zulu on
-> Nov 22 zulu.
->
-> Did the people of 14.313 move down to here?  :-(  t

No, I strongly believe that what you heard was in fact K1OIK, Burt Fisher!

--
Scott Leaf VE7ZVZ
[e-mail]
Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada
Mountain DX Club VA7SM - "To boldy VHF where no ham has VHFed before"


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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Burt Fisher?!
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Robert
Casey)
>wrote:
>
>-> First time in a while, I was tuning around the 80 meter band with an
>-> old general coverage SW receiver, and heard some people arguing and
>-> insulting and idle threats being tossed about.  Even someone played
>-> music for a minute or so.  Had to check that I had tuned 3.88 MHz
>-> instead of 27.something it was so bad.  Some guy who IDed as "N2YEE"
>-> (who really knows if he was really that license holder) from Edison
NJ
>-> said "a**hole", "crap", and similar things.

And just think...these guys ALL passed 13WPM Morse tests!

Some lid filter, sin't it?

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Burt Fisher?!
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In article <492ph8$[e-mail]>,
        Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:

>And just think...these guys ALL passed 13WPM Morse tests!
>
>Some lid filter, sin't it?

You're assuming that they all used their real callsigns, aren't you?

MD
--
--
-- "Who needs looks when you've got taste?"
--


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Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Burt Fisher?!
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>>Some lid filter, sin't it?
>
>You're assuming that they all used their real callsigns, aren't you?


As bad as the lid situation is ,I think it would be a thousand times
worse if they abolished all test requirments as some have suggested. Just
think,you could buy an HF rig at your local K-mart.
 N1MSV



                 ..as for the mysteries of the
                Universe...they knew them not...


  And in the time of their visitation they shall shine, and run
  to and fro like sparks among the stubble.

  gareth     e-mail    [e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Burt Fisher?!
Date: 26 Nov 1995 00:47:14 -0500
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In article <4962tg$[e-mail]>,
        Gareth Crispell  <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Just think, you could buy an HF rig at your local K-mart.

Yeah, that's almost as bad as being able to buy a 2 meter radio at
Radio Shack.

MD
--
--
-- "Who needs looks when you've got taste?"
--


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From: [e-mail] (Henry Turner)
Subject: Re: 6m opening 11/26 0046Z
Sender: [e-mail]
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[e-mail] (Rick Kissell) wrote:

>Did anyone else catch the (apparently brief) 6m opening Saturday evening?

I, KC5FLJ, EL17 worked C01OTA in northern Cuba, I could not copy
anyone else.


Happy DX de KC5FLJ....Henry in EL17



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:17 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Leaf)
Subject: Re: 6m question
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Robert K  Mcclure) wrote:

->     After having read a lot of the posts about 6m no-code ham (possibility?),
-> I would like to pose the following question: with a 6m mobile rig and say, a
-> quarter wave antenna, along with say, 25 watts for grins, what would be the
-> optimum distance for an FM contact, without skip, and what it would it be
-> for SSB without skip.
->     I am currently a tech nocode but did get my first novice ticket in 1967,
-> and I am studying my code to upgrade to plus then General, and I am thinking
-> about my next radio, and this 6m is starting to sound kinda fun.

An optimum contact would be from where you are in Houston to where I am in
Vancouver, but the problem is very few listen for FM DX, I dont know
anyone that does.  We sit on 50.125 listening intently for USB.  This last
summer, stations in our area worked Japan, all over North America, some
even managed Europe.

6M isn't just for no codes, its just plain fun for all.

--
Scott Leaf VE7ZVZ CN89
[e-mail]
Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada
Mountain DX Club VA7SM - "To boldy VHF where no ham has VHFed before"
Coquitlam Radio Club VE7SCC - "The Satellite Seniors"


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From: [e-mail] (Richard Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 6m question
Date: 25 Nov 1995 10:55:41 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Robert K  Mcclure) writes: >
After having read a lot of the posts about 6m no-code ham (possibility?), > I
would like to pose the following question: with a 6m mobile rig and say, a >
quarter wave antenna, along with say, 25 watts for grins, what would be the >
optimum distance for an FM contact, without skip, and what it would it be >
for SSB without skip.

     The operative phrase in your question is *without skip*.  Expect similar
coverage as you've experienced on 2m simplex (FM and SSB).  As other post have
already discussed, E and F openings can be quite exciting.

de Richard/NT2Z


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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: <<< Amateur Radio Tower Problems >>>
Date: 24 Nov 1995 17:06:02 GMT
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Are you having problems with your local town regarding the installation of your amateur radio tower or
antenna. See what The Radio Amateurs Defense & Information Organization (R.A.D.I.O. inc.) is doing to
help amateur radio operators.

Check out the Home Page for R.A.D.I.O.  at
        http://www.islandlinc.com/radio/radio.htm


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From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:19 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 95 06:32:45 EST
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth)
Reply-To: [e-mail]

On 16 Nov 1995 16:03:24 -0500, [e-mail] (GNewbe2635) wrote:
>if you are tired (like I am) of seeing meaningless, ego driven diatribe
>posted and crossposted by Burt Fisher all over the Amateur Radio
>

Do you know what is even more tiring?   Seeing all the complaints
about Burt cross-posted all over the amateur groups.    Why don't you
and all the other thin skinned babies that Burt seems to 'offend' so
much just ignore him.  Maybe he bothers you so much because he hits a
little too close to home for your our tender ego.

-be

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From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:20 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Leaf)
Subject: Re: A sample from my supporters.
Sender: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <ve7zvz-2311951149230001@206.12.26.48>
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 19:49:44 GMT
References: <[e-mail]>
Nntp-Posting-Host: 206.12.26.48
Organization: Mountain DX Club VA7SM
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

-> From: [e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth)
-> Reply-To: [e-mail]
->
-> On 16 Nov 1995 16:03:24 -0500, [e-mail] (GNewbe2635) wrote:
-> >if you are tired (like I am) of seeing meaningless, ego driven diatribe
-> >posted and crossposted by Burt Fisher all over the Amateur Radio
-> >
->
-> Do you know what is even more tiring?   Seeing all the complaints
-> about Burt cross-posted all over the amateur groups.    Why don't you
-> and all the other thin skinned babies that Burt seems to 'offend' so
-> much just ignore him.  Maybe he bothers you so much because he hits a
-> little too close to home for your our tender ego.

That doesn't prove anything Burt, you can find people on the Internet that
support the right to be a pedophile.

--
Scott Leaf VE7ZVZ CN89
[e-mail]
Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada
Mountain DX Club VA7SM - "To boldy VHF where no ham has VHFed before"
Coquitlam Radio Club VE7SCC - "The Satellite Seniors"


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark S. Dunlop)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Alinco 6 mtr rig mods???
Date: 22 Nov 1995 01:06:37 GMT
Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access [phone]
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nunnya ([e-mail]) wrote:
: i bought this dang alinco 6 mtr mobile, and i cant even recieve cordless
: phones, i have heard that there is a recieve mod with a simple keystroke
: if anyone has any mods for it, let me know....
: jeff
: [e-mail]

Just buy a scanner, Jeff.  I'm sure the local Radio Shack can help you,
or are you afraid to go there and admit that you have a problem and need
assistance?

Your pal,
Mark



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From: [e-mail] (JiNX)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: alinco dj-g5t
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:16:32 GMT
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does anyone, per chance, have the mod for the dj-g5t? I had a 580 and
G1T, but there are no red and blue wire pairs in this new radio. Only
a small blue wire that looks like it's jumping something.


thanks & 73

Al
KB0PYY



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:24 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Albert S Woodhull)
Subject: Amateur radio operators in Mozambique
Message-ID: <b167cb$[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 19:43:26 GMT
Organization: Hampshire College, Amherst MA
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Theo Vlaar, PA3CBH, ex-YN1TV, now working in Mozambique and licensed
as C91BT, asked me to pass on the following information for the
benefit of anyone interested.

----------------------------
From [e-mail] Wed Nov 22 14:23:16 1995
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 20:15:45
From: Theodore Peter Vlaar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Call Mozambique

The following information has been given to me by Anselmo Ferrao
(C91D) who is responsable for the frequency administration of
the national Telecomunications Authorities (TDM) in Mozambique
and president of the Radio Amateur League of Mozambique. I
want to ask you to pass this info further to be taken up in
the ARRL Call Book.
Theo Vlaar (C91BT/PA3CBH)


List of HAMs in Mozambique as registered per november 1, 1995

C91A   FABBRI SILVANO, RUA DE MUKUMBURA #415, MAPUTO
C91AA  RICARDO PERDOMO RIVERO, AV VALDMIR LENIN XXXIII, MAPUTO
C91AB  CORNELIO FOCAS MARINO, MATOLA, MAPUTO
C91AC  MIGAEL PERDOMO COMPANIONI,AV. VALDMIR LENINE XXXIII,
          MAPUTO
A91AF  PENG GOERGE, RUA CAPITAIS DA SENA, BEIRA
C91AG  AMBROSIO ASARIAS MANICA, CP 238, AV FILIPE SAMUEL MAGAIA
          1247,MAPUTO
C91AH  REMO MAINE/PADRE BERNARDO, RUA COMANDANTE JOAO BELO 208,
          MAPUTO
C94AI  JOSE MARTINS DIAS,FADM-TROPAS ESPECIAS B.A. DE NACALA,
          NACALA
C91AJ  ANTONIO JOSE ROXO LEAO,MAPUTO
C91AL  GEORGE CHAMBENE, SPAC, MAPUTO
C91AM
C93AN  HIRO ISHIKAWA, MISSION TO MOZ. CP 3, GONDOLA-MANICA
C91AQ  MATHIAL PIERRE,MAPUTO
C91AT
C93AW
C91AZ  HENRIQUES MANUEL NUNES COSTA,RUA FERNAO LOPES #225, MAPUTO
C91B   FABBRIE DANIELA, RUA DE MAKUMBURA #415, MAPUTO
C94BA  JOHN MICHAEL NEARI,NACALA-PORTO
C91BB  ANTONIO NUNES COSTA, TELECOM, MAPUTO
C91BC
C91BI  IBRAIMO AMADE IBRAIMO, AV. KARL MARX #969,MAPUTO
C91BL  ARLINDO GOMES DOS SANTOS,RUA DA MALHAGALENE #120,MAPUTO
C91BP  JOAO PEDRO DE NASCIMENTO PINTO, AV. AGOSTINHO NETO 1-
         ANDAR,MAPUTO
C91BR  BONNA RUTH RAY,AV ORIENTAL #920 CEL.3 Q.7,MACHAVA-MAPUTO
C91BT  THEODORE PETER VLAAR, RUA FERNANDO PESSOA #17, MAPUTO
C91C   CARLOS SANTOS,RUA FERNANDO LOPES #225, MAPUTO
C91CA  ABILIO AUGUSTO SOARES,UNICENTRAL-AV. ARMANDO TIVANE #887,
         MAPUTO
C91CB  DANIEL SWEDBERG,AV. MARTIRES DE MUEDA #18 FLAT 182, MAPUTO
C91CC  JOSE M. MACHADO DA CRUZ ALVES DAVID, AV. HO CHI MIN
         #1554, MAPUTO
C91CD  SILVAN KLINGEBIEL,MAPUTO
C91CE  JOSE ESPIRITO SANTOS, RUA VICENTE COELHO #7, MATOLA
C91CF  SELWYN BROWN STAPLES, RUA VICENTE COELHO #11, MATOLA
C91CG  HELIOD. ESPIRITO SANTO DOS SANTOS,PRACETA MAGUIGUANA
         #105 1, MAPUTO
C91CH  FERNANDA SANTOS C.F.DOS SANTOS,RUA DA MALHANGALENE #120,
         MAPUTO
C91CI  ALIZIRA BRANCA F.MARTINS DA SILVA, RUA VICENTE COELHO
         #7,MATOLA
C91CJ  M.EDITA ROMARIZ SANTOS JOSE, RUA FERNANDO LOPES #225,
         MAPUTO
C91D   ANSELMO FERRAO, C.P. 25, MAPUTO
C91E   PHIL GRAY, COMPUTER SECT. CARE, MAPUTO
C91F   FLAVIO VIRGILIO BUQUE, AV. FILIPE SAMUEL MAGAIA, MAPUTO
C91G   JIRI SWARTZ, BOANE BONIFICA, MAPUTO
C91H   FRANCISCO DE F. PACHECO, EDICREL, MAPUTO
C91I   ROBERT S. JOHNSON, AV. AHMED SEKOU TOURE, MAPUTO
C91L   LEO ILIMAR HEINONEM, RESIDENT IN REP. SOUTH AFRICA
C91M   HUBERTUS PIETER VAN DER, RESIDENT IN REP. SOUTH AFRICA
C93N   ROBERT MICH. WRIGHT, PORTO DA BEIRA, BEIRA
C93Q   RALPH KARHAMAR, CONSULADO DA SUECIA, BEIRA
C91U   ROGER GINGERICH, AIR SERVICE, MAPUTO
C91V   ANTONIO DA CON CHILAULE, TDM C.P. 25, MAPUTO
C91Y   FERNANDO INACIO ROMAO, MAPUTO
C91K   PAULO SERGIO VIETES SANTOS, NAMPULA

The president of the Radio Amateur Club (LRAM - Liga de Radio
Amadores de Mocambique) is eng. Anselmo Ferrao, TDM Frequencias,
C.P. 25, Maputo, Mozambique).
The address of the radio amateur club of mozambique is:
  LRAM, Caixa Postal # 16, Maputo, Mozambique


73
theo C91BT/PA3CBH


==================================================================
Theodore Peter Vlaar                     e-mail:[e-mail]
Rua Fernando Pessoa 17, Maputo, Mozambique     Tel: ++258-1-416429
==================================================================



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Newberry)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Another type of response that I get.
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 01:27:26 GMT
Organization: The Internet Ramp
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[e-mail] wrote:


>WARNING there is a lot of profanity below in the messages sent to me.

>DO NOT read if it offends you.


>Do you approve of this type of message in MY case?


>Do you think this is what I have earned?

Hmmmm , you appear to be incredibly naive. If I posted all the general
insults, put downs and controversial messages that you do, receiving a

message like the one below would be the very MINIMUM that I would
expect.

In my humble opinion wearing a Burt Fisher name tag at Dayton would be
akin to Mark Furhman appearing at a Louis Farrakhan rally.

Gary

>Return-Path: [e-mail]
>Received: from ix9.ix.netcom.com by ccsnet.com with smtp
>id BCCDAGDN ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 18:35:06 -0500
>Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 15:37:51 -0800
>From: [e-mail] (S. D. )
>Subject: Re: My wife even thinks hams are....
>To: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>

>Tell youre wife she can suck my dick you fucking piece of shit!!!

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From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:26 1995
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From: Bob Engberg <engberg>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Any High Schools with Packet?
Date: 22 Nov 1995 23:59:39 GMT
Organization: SAIC
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Are there any high schools out there with Packet?
A local high school (wl7xk@kl7aa.#NAK.AK.USA.NOAM) would like
to exchange messages with you.
Tnx
--
Bob Engberg
phone:  [phone]
e-mail: [e-mail]



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:27 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Fred & Julie Burger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Any radio clubs near Morro Bay, California?
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 07:01:00 GMT
Organization: Network Access Services, Inc.
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I have some friends that just moved to Morro Bay, California and are
interested in ham radio and need a place to start.  I told them I'd
post something and try to find local clubs in their area.  Anybody
know of any?  Please respond via e-mail,  Thanks!

73, de KH6IDF


Fred Burger    [e-mail]



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Pedro Monica)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Anyone know where is last BPQ???
Date: 23 Nov 1995 20:09:02 GMT
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        Hello everyone,

        Thank you for read this message.
        If anyone knows where is the last version of BPQ, I think is
BPQ408A, please please please tell me.
        send a reply of for E-Mail: [e-mail]

        All the best from Pedro Pais - CT1DNF -

--
Pedro Filipe Monica Falcao Pais     [ E-Mail: [e-mail]
R. Banda da Amizade N.6 4 Dto.      [ Ham Callsign : CT1DNF
3800 AVEIRO                         [ Packet: [e-mail]
PORTUGAL                            [ Tel.: [phone]


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:29 1995
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From: [e-mail] (William A. Kirsanoff)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Anyone with experiance: Moto. Single Chip Receiver?
Date: 22 Nov 95 23:31:59 GMT
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Hello all.

Does anyone out there have any experience with designing a circuit for
440 MHz receive using the Motorola MC3362/3 FM receiver chips? These are
good to 200 MHz using the internal LO, and to 450 MHz with an external
LO. I am looking for an external LO circuit for this application. I want
to build a low cost receiver for a local 440 repeater that broadcasts
seismograph telemetry. I can then free up my $450 HT for other
frequencies. :-)

Happy Thanksgiving to all, and thanks for the assist.

de Bill, KD6MCI

________________________________________________________________________
Wm. A. Kirsanoff         Internet:
Rockwell International   [e-mail]
[phone]
Ham: KD6MCI
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  Who are you? * I am number 2. *  Who is number 1? * You are number 6.
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From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rich Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARES and RACES
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 14:01:10 GMT
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
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I have a none ham friend in St. Paul, MN that is interested in
disaster preparedness.  He is head of security at on of the local
colleges. I think he may be a good candidate to become a ham and
become involved with ARES.

Anyway, anyone in the St. Paul area that could help. Please email
Christopher Martinson <[e-mail]> and tell him how to get involved
with FEMA.

Thanks,

Rich K8MEG




From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Ennes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL Countries List
Date: 25 Nov 1995 04:49:27 GMT
Organization: Prodigy Services Company  1-800-PRODIGY
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What is the phone number for the AARL BB?

Thanks

N7DTD



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Tracy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL Internet Address
Date: 25 Nov 1995 10:22:56 -0500
Organization: American Radio Relay League
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Mike Tracy ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Marc,
:         There is a Telnet site that you may be able to use to find your
: latitude and longitude.  It is:

Sorry folks - wrong subject line.  Please ignore this post - thanks!

73 de Michael Tracy, KC1SX


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lewis Stephens KC5PSX)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.amateur.club.clarc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.swap
Subject: Austin Amateur Radio Suppy
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 22:40:47 -0500
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Let me tell you a tale about a trip across Texas.

I call Austin Amateur Radio Supply (AARS) earlier today. The conversation
went something like this;

ring

ring

(AARS) Hello, Austin Amateur Radio Supply may I help you?

(Me) Sure , I am looking for latest Yaesu offering, the FT-1000MP. Do you
have any and are they set up where I can see one.

(AARS) Sure thing, come on down.

(ME)  Great! By the way, do you have the Kenwood 870DSP set up too? I want
to compare the two radios. I am bringing my wife along so she can see
first hand what I am buying myself for Christmas this year.

(AARS) OK. I have here too.

(Me) Ok, What time do you close today?

(AARS) We be here until about 5 today.

(Me) That's good. I'm in Pasadena and it'll take a bit to get there.

(AARS) OK.

(Me) Thanks and I'll see you this afternoon. (click)

Ok, so far so good. I loaded my pockets with nice fresh one hundred
dollars and a credit card that I had been hoarding.  I got the wife and
kids loaded and drove 222 miles from my place to Austin. When I got there
and found Austin Amateur Radio, we all got out and trotted inside.

That's when this story goes sour. Austin Amateur Radio does have the
radios in stock. The Kenwood is on the front counter. (Not hooked up, but
you can see it.) The Yaesu FT-1000MP is another story. It is in the back
in the box and is for sale. It will not be placed on display at all. It is
for sale. This according to the man at the counter.
But says I, I have travel a ways to see this new machine. Sorry, says
they. Only for the buyer will the box be opened.

Now I understand that people want stuf in unopened boxes. If this was the
only radio they had and didn't want to run the risk of offending another
potential customer, they should have said so when I called. I told the guy
I wanted to compare the radios and show it to my XYL before I paid nearly
$3000 for the thing. I think this is a discourtesy that shouldn't happen
amoung amateurs.
I told the fellow behind the counter that I had traveled from out of town
to see thew radio once more and when he just shook his head I made up my
mind not to support the local dealer and I'll buy my equipment from a more
honerable out of state dealer. I will take a day or two longer to recieve
it. But I'll save the 8 1/4% sales tax. And I'll never darken the door of
Austin Amateur Radio Supply again. I also tell anyone who asks that I
really wouldn't trust someone that would bait a fellow from over two
hundred miles away and then not show the goods when he gets there. Next
week, we are considering flying to OK City to see my wife grandfather and
they have a nice Ham shop that will probably ship my new radio home for
me.
I know me. If they would have shown us this radio today, I'd have a new
Yaesu beside me now and would not have the time to write a flame at all. I
was as disgusted when I left there today as I have been in a long time.
It's not a big thing, I know but it really got to me.

Thanks for letting me vent my anger and 73.

Lewis Stephens

~*--,._.,--*~'`^`'~*--,._.,--*~'`^`'~*--,._.,--*~'`^`'~*--,._.,--*~'`^`'~*--,._.,--*~

Lewis Stephens     KC5PSX     [e-mail]  Pasadena,Texas

~*--,._.,--*~'`^`'~*--,._.,--*~'`^`'~*--,._.,--*~'`^`'~*--,._.,--*~'`^`'~*--,._.,--*~


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:34 1995
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From: Michael Neidich <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: alt.radio.amateur.club.clarc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.swap
Subject: Re: Austin Amateur Radio Suppy
Date: 25 Nov 1995 13:08:11 GMT
Organization: Interport Communications Corp.
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We (in the collective sense) have entered the era of the super-store,
wherein you must already know what you want.  We have brought it upon
ourselves, for we gave up buying in the friendly store that actually
demonstrated the product to the prospective buyer.  The friendly
neighborhood store is dead.  We the consumers shop by mail, and make our
selection based upon price--not advice, not service, and not support.
The Internet expands this problem to the nth power.  And it will get far
worse.  Remember when you could buy stationery at other than Staples?
That which ye sow, so shall ye reap.  Be of good cheer!  Shop locally and
let the guy make a living.



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:35 1995
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From: "Charles Jack Hawley Jr." <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: alt.radio.amateur.club.clarc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.swap
Subject: Re: Austin Amateur Radio Suppy
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 07:38:24 -0800
Organization: University of Illinois, Urbana
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Michael Neidich wrote:
>
> We (in the collective sense) have entered the era of the super-store,
> wherein you must already know what you want.  We have brought it upon
> ourselves, for we gave up buying in the friendly store that actually
> demonstrated the product to the prospective buyer.  The friendly
> neighborhood store is dead.  We the consumers shop by mail, and make our
> selection based upon price--not advice, not service, and not support.
> The Internet expands this problem to the nth power.  And it will get far
> worse.  Remember when you could buy stationery at other than Staples?
> That which ye sow, so shall ye reap.  Be of good cheer!  Shop locally and
> let the guy make a living.

I think you missed the point. The guy lied to him.
--


Charles Jack Hawley Jr.
Amateur Radio KE9UW (A.K.A. 'Chuck' in Ham Radio)
BMW K100RS, BMWMOA #224 (A.K.A. 'Jack' in Motorcycles)
[e-mail]
Sr. Research Engineer Emeritus
Univ of Ill, Urbana-Champaign


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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Bomb threat
Date: 25 Nov 1995 22:57:01 GMT
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[e-mail] (hrsil) wrote:

>Henry Silvia        [e-mail]
>{KE4WBW}            WPB. FLA
>Not your average Ham.....WaveSailer(Windsurf) Nationally ranked IPSIC pistol
>shooter(45) Weightlifter Motorcycle Roadracer(gpz750..vfr500) and whatever
>radical endeavers that may catch my fancy!!!!!!!

I should say you are indeed not an average ham.

With such exciting activities why are you ever involved in this dead mans
hobby??




#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
|                            [e-mail]                          |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (hrsil)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Bomb threat
Date: 25 Nov 1995 13:14:38 GMT
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  Well folks it looks like your doing it again. Once again Burt makes a
posting and those of you who do not have a life feel compulsed to respond.
Taking someones post no matter whose it is and dissecting it for a malicious
response is CB mentality!
        If you have something intelligent to say on the matter at hand
respond to it not the person doing the posting! You Can Always Change The
Channel!

  Of Course I dont agree with everything Burt says but some of his points are
valid (in my opinion) and hopefully this will be the last time that I break
down and comment on this matter, after all were all adults arent we?

        Thanks for reading this Posting, if you take offense send me some
tube technical articles instead of a flame it will do more good for the
Hobby!

--
Henry Silvia        [e-mail]
{KE4WBW}            WPB. FLA
Not your average Ham.....WaveSailer(Windsurf) Nationally ranked IPSIC pistol
shooter(45) Weightlifter Motorcycle Roadracer(gpz750..vfr500) and whatever
radical endeavers that may catch my fancy!!!!!!!



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Phil Heaton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: By Win 95
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 25 Nov 95 21:24:00 GMT
Distribution: world
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BF> Are you still bad mouthing Win 95?

I can't bad-mouth it, but since info week mag
has devoted (it seems) a column per each issue on it's
bugs, I'd rather stay away from it.

BF> I love it, worth every penny.

Welp, I'm glad you're glad. By the way, I've
got a hacked OS I'd like you to beta test for me, so
how much will you pay me? Y'know like you did
Billy Boy.

Phil, KE4KRT

Micro$oft - What Bill's wife knows about Bill...

___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20


----
Top Of The Rock BBS - Lilburn, GA
Phone: [phone]             Snailmail: 4181 Wash Lee Ct.
Lilburn, GA 30247-7440


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From: [e-mail] (Marc Purdon)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Cable TV frequencies
Date: 23 Nov 95 18:45:01 GMT
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     Hello, I am looking for the frequencies of cable TV in the 70cm band. I
know that some ATV frequencies correspond to cable TV channels. Thank you.
73's de Marc. VE2SUX.


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From: [e-mail] (andy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can I use my radio in Canada?
Date: 22 Nov 1995 10:29:11 GMT
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Abraham Stavsky ([e-mail]) wrote:
:
: I plan to visit the Toronto area for a few days
: in January.  Can I use my 2-meter HT without the
: need for a supplemental license?  Thanks,
: Abe, KE6OCM
: --

Yes you can.

-k4adl


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From: [e-mail] (Mike Ligeza)
Subject: Re: Can I use my radio in Canada?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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andy ([e-mail]) writes:
> Abraham Stavsky ([e-mail]) wrote:
> :
> : I plan to visit the Toronto area for a few days
> : in January.  Can I use my 2-meter HT without the
> : need for a supplemental license?  Thanks,
> : Abe, KE6OCM
> : --
>
> Yes you can.
>
> -k4adl
However, not sure what U.S. Customs policy is, butif it is similar to
Canadian, it may be a good idea to register your Radio gear with U.S.
Customs, as you leave the U.S., so that upon your return, they don't think
you are trying to smuggle it back into the U.S.

When ever I go to the U.S., I drop into the Canadian Customs office, and
register my gear, (a small blue card carrying model number and serial number).

Have a nice visit.

Mike

--
##############################################################################
                              Mike Ligeza Snr.- VE3UIL
                                 Ottawa, Ontario
                                    Canada



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From: Mike Whatley <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can I use my radio in Canada?
Date: 25 Nov 1995 23:19:50 GMT
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You can use your radio in any country on the planet if you don't get
caught. Only the boy scouts bother with all of that silly paperwork.
Just do it man.

-mike wa4d

--
Mike Whatley


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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Flanders)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can I use my radio in Canada?
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 20:07:00 GMT
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Dave Crosby VE3VSM <[e-mail]> wrote:

>[e-mail] (Abraham Stavsky) wrote:

>>I plan to visit the Toronto area for a few days
>>in January.  Can I use my 2-meter HT without the
>>need for a supplemental license?

>Yes you can.  Canada and the USA have a standing reciprocal operating agreement.
>Bring a copy of your FCC license and everything should be OK.

Does one notify the Canadian radio authorities? Does one get a temp V?
call? Does one use his/her USA call? How does this all work? We plan
to tour western Canada and Alaska next summer with 2m FM in car. I
hadn't planned to use it in Canada, but maybe I can do so without any
hassle??

W4UKU Jerry F.



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From: [e-mail] (Cobra295)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ClearChannel Corp./RF Ltd. AC-7000 U/D?
Date: 24 Nov 1995 22:13:53 -0500
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I hear this is a good desk mic for HF rigs, etc... I also notice that it's
made by RF Limited... known for creating some CB stuff... I'm wondering if
anyone has any experiences with this mic or similar models and how it
would compare to something like a kenwood MC85 desk mic.  Thanks for any
EMAIL REPLIES.
Appreciate it...

Sean, N2ZJJ


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From: [e-mail] ("Buddha")
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Code Software?
Date: 22 Nov 1995 14:49:28 -0500
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  Can somebody tell me a ftp site that has morse code practice
programs??


                                        73's,
                                        KC8AGT





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From: [e-mail] (Paul Bobby )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Code Software?
Date: 24 Nov 1995 19:50:14 GMT
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>There are several good Morse Code programs, but Super Morse is (in my
>humble opinion) about the best. You can get the latest Windows version
>at:
>


Yes I have used super morse to get my 5wpm upgrade, and am working at
8wpm at the moment, it's a great trainer.

What I do'nt like about it, is it's manual keying function. It doesn't
match my sending very well at all. Besides, when you manually send, all
it does is put your code on the screen.

Do you know of any software that lets you interact? I've seen some guys
hardware keyer, that simulate qso's and lets you talk back to it. It
recognizes your code somehow, but I'd like to see a software
version....any ideas?


--
Paul Bobby - [e-mail]


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From: Dave Hockaday <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Condition of HF???
Date: 25 Nov 1995 04:40:29 GMT
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>KD>>And just think...these guys ALL passed 13WPM Morse tests!
>KD>>
>KD>>Some lid filter, sin't it?


>KD>You're assuming that they all used their real callsigns, aren't you?
>KD>-- "Who needs looks when you've got taste?"



>doesn't matter if they used their real callsigns or not.  i wouldn't
>bother going out to purchase a $1500 HF rig just to hoot and holler on
>80M.  i don't have the required license class and it would be a waste of
>money to me.
>greg
>kd6ven

80 meters is a CW band. I work HF a lot, and seldom hear any of this
stuff I see posted about on the net. I would guess that either someone is
looking to point fingers or they really haven't spent much time
looking/listening/operating there. I hear conversations in my area on
VHF/UHF from those who couldn't build a 1/4 wave ground plane if their
lives depended on it, often from those who talk about the poor condition
of HF when they don't even own a HF rig to listen in with...



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From: Colin Carson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: cost of I.R.C's
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 08:08:01 -0600
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What's the cost of International Reply Coupons in the U.S.?
Here in Canada they've jumped to $3.30..Colin VE4CSN
                       [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Cq Contest.. 50th anniversary..
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 95 13:57:48 PDT
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Somebody told me about a contest from CQ magazine on the VHF band that would
be called CQ50.  The contest would be to make 50 contacts on a repeater... If
anybody heard about this I would appreciate more info and the rules and regs
and how to participate.

Thanks

Maxime Caron
VA2MRX




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From: Bob Morrow <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Military Training
Date: 22 Nov 1995 00:30:09 GMT
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MARS no longer does code, and neither does the US Coast Guard.

(personal comments deleted.)

--
Bob Morrow N7PTM
USAF Tops In Blue  http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/bobm/tib.htm




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From: [e-mail] (Tony Angerame - Sun SE)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Military Training
Date: 21 Nov 1995 23:50:08 GMT
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I attended Basic Morse Training at Keesler AFB Miss in the mid sixties.  There was a civilian instructor, Mr. Macy
who also had a bad leg. He used a cane and would beat the cane on his desk to the rythym of "frf juj" ( the basic
typing exercise). Anyone at Keesler during that time who remembers Mr. Macy??


                                                                     Tony WA6LZH




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From: [e-mail] (Karl Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Military Training
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:11:31 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Walter
Scott) wrote:

> The U.S. Army, Navy, etc. have code schools for teaching Morse code.
>
> Is anyone familiar with these training programs?
> How long do they take for X words/min proficiency?
> What methods do they use for code instruction?
> How many hours a day, etc.?
>
> There might be some information here that would help us learn code.
>
> Obviously, no classified information.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Scott

With DoD completely abandoning Morse Code and, further, banning its use on
military comm circuits October 1, 1996, I doubt that any classes have
existed for the last few years.  That's not to say that there aren't a few
OT RMCSs in the Navy who do still use Morse, albeit without official
approval.

--
Karl Beckman, P.E.                <     If our English language is so  >
Motorola RNSG Pvt Data            <  precise, why do you drive on the  >
Schaumburg, IL  /  Parma, OH      <  parkway and park on the driveway?  >
**   Opinions expressed here do not represent the views of Motorola Inc.   **
--
By sending unsolicited commercially-oriented e-mail to this address, the
sender agrees to pay a $100 fee to the recipient for proofreading services.
--
Amateur radio WA8NVW                        NavyMARS NNN0VBH @ NOGBN.NOASI


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From: [e-mail] (Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone])
Subject: Re: CW Military Training
In-Reply-To: [e-mail]'s message of Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:11:31 -0500
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail]
Organization: at home, in Oakland
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Some of you are missing the point of the question.  Given that the
armed forces were training CW operators for large numbers of years
(even if not currently doing so), perhaps the techniques they used are
of use to those of us who want to learn code.  Good question.

My experience was that they selected only those with an aptitude.
When taking aptitude tests in Navy boot camp, in 1965, among other
things they tried us out on a quicky code learning session.  It went
something like this, as I recall:  headphones on, here's an E, here's
a T, here's an A, here's an N; repeat this for 5 minutes; now copy
this; some of these characters sent; what did you get?  I have no idea
how fast it was.  Obviously, if you knew the code already, or had a
high aptitude for learning it, you'd do well.  As I recall, I did
poorly, as I did on the sonar aptitude test, which was "which pitch is
higher, this or this" repeated a few times.

I had been guaranteed an electronics school, since I aced the
preliminary test at the recruiting office, twice (they thought I might
have cheated the first time), but RM was considered an electronics
rate.  I ended up an AT (aviation electronics technician).
73, doug


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From: [e-mail] (Mark Monninger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Military Training
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 21:50:05 MST
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone]) writes:
...
>I had been guaranteed an electronics school, since I aced the
>preliminary test at the recruiting office, twice (they thought I might
>have cheated the first time),...

I remember those tests. I took one for the Air Force in 1966 or 67...the AFQT,
I think. They had some real interesting questions on the one I took...like
showing a drawing of a screwdriver and asking which end is the handle
(honest!). And which tool would you NOT use to change a tire: A. Jack, B. tire
iron, C. Cutting torch. I aced mine too (some of the guys sweating it out
never did finish it). I think I selected jet engine maintenance but then I
failed the physical and was classified 4F. Oh well...

From what I hear, they selected people with an aptitude, like Doug said. Then
they put you in a class and gave you an incentive...learn the code or end up
carrying an M16 and slogging through the mud with people shooting at you. It
was pretty much hammered into you.

Mark    AA7TA


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From: [e-mail] (Dave Ennes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Military Training
Date: 25 Nov 1995 04:52:18 GMT
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Is CW something that is still used in the service.  I know the Coast
Guard had there last CW transmission this year.

N7DTD



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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Dont reply to ANY Burt Fisher messages
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[e-mail] (Tim E.) wrote:

>Fair warning. He likes to spam all the radio newsgroups. If you
>respond to any of his messages your reply also spams the same groups.
>I got some nasty mail that I was spamming all the radio groups and
>found out it was a response to one of his meaningless messages that
>went out. I immediately notified my provider that the blame goes back
>on the original poster. So be careful...

Hi Tim,

When you reply to a message, just look at the To: or Newsgroup: field
in your newsreader.  It will list the groups you are responding to.
This will save you a lot of nasty e-mail.

Take Care,

Joe


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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Dry Tortugas IOTA activety??
Date: 25 Nov 1995 03:13:35 GMT
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Has anyone heard of any IOTA activety on Dry Tortuga??  I am considering making a trip to the
island this winter for a DXpedition.  I could use any information about previous activety to help me in
my decision and preparation.  Please respond directly to [e-mail] instead of this
newsgroup.     Tnx     Steve    AA1IZ     (previous trip to Grenada J37VG)



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:56 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lawrence Koga)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Dumb CW question?
Date: 23 Nov 1995 06:42:34 GMT
Organization: Pacific Information Exchange, Inc.
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Someone told me that the Navy used some CW notations for off the record
comments.  I want to learn a few of them.  For example, how do I send in
CW - Put on a competent operator.  I seem the remember that
these codes started in the letter "Z", much like the "Q" codes.

Thanks, Lawrence NH6NJ


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert B. Burleson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Dumb CW question?
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 16:45:30 GMT
Organization: Primenet
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[e-mail] (Lawrence Koga) wrote:

>Someone told me that the Navy used some CW notations for off the record
>comments.  I want to learn a few of them.  For example, how do I send in
>CW - Put on a competent operator.  I seem the remember that
>these codes started in the letter "Z", much like the "Q" codes.

>Thanks, Lawrence NH6NJ

The "Z" codes are used for military communications only, usually CW
and RTTY.  The signal you are looking for is ZBM 2:  "Place a
competent operater on watch on this frequency". More can be found in
the NAVMARCORPS MARS NTP 8(B) Communications Instructions.

                        73 de KG7QJ Bob B.
                        NNN0PHE/AZ  Navy MARS




From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:53:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Charles L Boling)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equip,rec.radio.cb,pdx.forsale,or.forsale
Subject: Estate Sale
Date: 23 Nov 1995 12:18:25 -0800
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, WA.
Lines: 39
Message-ID: <492kuh$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: clark.edu
Summary: Lots of radio equipment
Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.misc:94670 rec.radio.cb:24622 pdx.forsale:28824 or.forsale:18607

I'm posting this for a friend, so please respond to the number at the bottom
of the message -- not my email address.




           E S T A T E   S A L E
           ---------------------

RCI 2950 WITH 11 METERS---------------------250.00
RCI 2970 WITH 11 METERS---------------------350.00
YEASU FL2100B LINEAR AMP--------------------450.00
PYRAMID PS35G POWER SUPPLY------------------115.00
LASER 400  12-ELEMENT BEAM------------------190.00
     (USED, PARTIALLY ASSEMBLED; NOT INSTALLED)
US TOWER MA-550/MARB/MAF-------------------2000.00
    (TOWER IS INSTALLED; BUYER TO REMOVE)
YEASU G-800-SDX ROTATOR---------------------438.00
PDC 600LP METER------------------------------85.00
GOLDLINE 1000-WATT METER---------------------30.00
DRAKE TU 3300LP FILTER-----------------------25.00
OAK BAY LP-11P 1000-WATT FILTER--------------25.00
DAIWA 2-POS. COAX SWITCH---------------------20.00
SHURE 444D MIC-------------------------------50.00
CABLE EXPERTS RG213 APPROX 500' ROLL COAX   125.00
     (500' SPOOL, *MAY* BE MISSING SOME)
COMMANDER 150A 10-11m LINEAR, MOBILE---------75.00
CB Power supply, 2.5 AMP---------------------15.00
SPEAKERS - 1 REALISTIC------------------------5.00
         - 1 LARGE OUTDOOR SPEAKER HORN------15.00
ASSORTED MAG MOUNT MOBILE CB ANTENNAS------------?

BIDS CONSIDERED ON ONE ITEM OR ALL ITEMS AS ONE LOT

REPLY TO:

JIM GROW
+1 541/479-1408
Grants Pass, OR


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From: Mike Whatley <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC has gone home
Date: 25 Nov 1995 23:21:42 GMT
Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736)
Lines: 10
Message-ID: <4988e6$k80$[e-mail]>
References: <48l9ut$[e-mail]>

Who gives a shit if the FCC is closed. There are many policy makers
that believe the Commission should be eliminated.

The majority of tickets being issued are to new licensee's below
General Class. In other words, they ain't even hams.

-mike wa4d

--
Mike Whatley


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From: Mike Whatley <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC shutdown
Date: 25 Nov 1995 23:24:15 GMT
Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736)
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Message-ID: <4988iv$k80$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>


Matt

I hope you don't get your ticket for a *long* time. You are not a
ham until you get the General Class ticket. Tech-lite and the
No-code tickets are for wanna-be's.

Upgrade to the real thing or get out of the hobby. We don't need
anymore pseudo-hams.

-mike wa4d

--
Mike Whatley


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Subject: FCC shutdown
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 95 17:45:49 PST
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: The Inferno - San Jose, CA
Lines: 26



73>Matt

73>I hope you don't get your ticket for a *long* time. You are not a
73>ham until you get the General Class ticket. Tech-lite and the
73>No-code tickets are for wanna-be's.

73>Upgrade to the real thing or get out of the hobby. We don't need
73>anymore pseudo-hams.

73>-mike wa4d

still at it, eh mike?  still pissed off?  keep going buddy.  maybe
you'll self-destruct.  i see you still haven't responded to me directly
after i cut you down.  how much of a man are you mike?  are you just
like my ex-roommate i kicked out a few months ago, who talked big but
was too manly to pay me the rent he owed me or to stay faithful to his
girlfriend?  yeah, not that all mike's are like you, but you're the
second one that i know of that talks big and doesn't back up his words.

i know there are people out there named mike that are worthy of the
name, unlike you.

greg
kd6ven


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From: [e-mail] (James Long)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: For Sale: HAL RTTY equipment
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:16:28 GMT
Organization: Internet America
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For sale:  HAL DS3100ASR & ST6000; *mint* condition; complete wiring
harness; all manuals; original shipping boxes; best offer.

Jim Long, K5QPT
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (James Long)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: For sale: HAL RTTY gear
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:12:17 GMT
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For sale:  HAL DS3100ASR & ST6000; *mint* condition; complete wiring
harness; all manuals; original shipping boxes; best offer.



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:54:04 1995
From: [e-mail] (Robert Young)
Subject: FS:HF/VHF/UHF
Date: 22 Nov 95 07:40:09 -0800
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.msn.com!msn.com
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Organization: The Microsoft Network (msn.com)
Lines: 11

For Sale:
Kenwood TS-690S HF/6 Meter rig. $1200.00

Icom IC-2700H 2Meter/70cm mobile $575.00 (never mobile)

Yaesu FT-2500H 2 Meter mobile $275.00

Heathkit SB-1000 HF Amp single Eimac 3-500Z tube  $650.00
Local Pickup only on the HF amp.....Metro St. Louis

Call Bob N9MSS  [phone] or [e-mail]


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:54:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Norm Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Fusing Power Leads
Date: 25 Nov 1995 17:43:58 GMT
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]

Thank you to all who responded to my question regarding
fusing mobile equipment.  I appreciate the time and effort.

Regards

Norm Collins


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:54:06 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kelly Gray)
Subject: Re: Fusing Power Leads
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: Humber College Academic Computing Dept.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
References: <48j3d0$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <48qhrh$[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 20:26:52 GMT
Lines: 36

jim forest ([e-mail]) wrote:
: snip
: >
: >It is to prevent a problem if the cable from the negative of the battery
: >to the vehicle body opens.  If that happens, all current, including the
: >heavy starter current would flow thru the radio and it's cables, causing
: >damage and a possible fire.  The circuit would be:
: >
: >Bat + --- starter --- car body --- radio chassis via mounting screws or
: >antenna coax braid --- negative wire --- fuse --- Bat -
: >
: snip

: if the negative cable opens hows the starter motor going to pull current
: with out a completed current loop?

: my 2 peso worth

: jim

The circuit is as follows:
   from the battery positive to the starter motor (via the starter relay)
   from the motor to the car body via the "grounded" body of the motor
   (The normal path at this point is back to the battery via the
     defective battery negative)
   from the car body to the radio negative via the antenna coax braid
   from the radio negative to the battery negative via the wire run
     directly from the battery to the radio.
 Note that since the antenna braid connection and the power lead negative
normally don't connect to the same point on the circuit board, they are
usually connected via a circuit board trace, and circuit board traces tend
to vaporise when asked to carry that level of current.

<o_o>




From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:54:07 1995
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From: "Alan F. Olson" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Good Price for Yaesu FT-ONE?
Date: 23 Nov 1995 03:21:42 GMT
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc.
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I recently purchased a Yaesu FT-ONE for $900 as my first transceiver.  It
came with extra memory, SSB filters, and a Yaesu MH-1 microphone, but no CW
filters.  Is this a reasonable price? Thanks for the help to a newbie.
--
***************************************************************************
*                                                                         *
*                         [e-mail]                              *
*               "Ain't  No Nookie Like Chinookie"      Ray Troll          *
*                                                                         *
***************************************************************************




From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:54:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Clay Irving)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Good Windows Log?
Date: 25 Nov 1995 09:10:45 -0500
Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC
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NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com

In <[e-mail]> "George J. Molnar" <[e-mail]> writes:

>Anyone know of a good logging program for windows? I'd like one that (at
>least) interfaces with a SAM callbook. I've seen many pretty decent DOS
>based loggers out there, but I'd like to go "all windows", if possible.

There are a few Windows-based log programs listed on the Amateur Radio
Reference (http://www.panix.com/clay/ham.html) in the "Stores and Supplier"
section.

--
- o - o     Clay Irving ([e-mail]), N2VKG
o - o o     AEC NYC ARES, New York County
o -         Deputy Radio Operator, NYC RACES, New York County
- o - -     Start --> http://www.panix.com/clay


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:54:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Marc Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: GRID SQUARE HELP!
Date: 22 Nov 1995 19:31:05 GMT
Organization: Prodigy Services Company  1-800-PRODIGY
Lines: 10
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X-Newsreader: Version 1.2

Is anyone aware of a site that you can either telnet to or access via the
WWW to obtain your grid square?  I know that at one time, a few years ago,
 there was a telnet site that would give rather close longitude/lattitude
readings by entering your zip-code.

Thanks

Marc Taylor
KC7JKF



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:54:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Dear)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: GRID SQUARE HELP!
Date: 25 Nov 1995 14:30:15 GMT
Organization: The DataXchange Network, Inc
Lines: 6
Distribution: world
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X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.4

go to www.arrl.org and look in their ftp site...I think they have
software available to do this and more

KG5VE
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Mike Tracy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: GRID SQUARE HELP!
Date: 25 Nov 1995 10:21:41 -0500
Organization: American Radio Relay League
Lines: 33
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]

Marc Taylor ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Is anyone aware of a site that you can either telnet to or access via the
: WWW to obtain your grid square?  I know that at one time, a few years ago,
:  there was a telnet site that would give rather close longitude/lattitude
: readings by entering your zip-code.

Marc,
        There is a Telnet site that you may be able to use to find your
latitude and longitude.  It is:

telnet martini.eecs.umich.edu 3000

and it features statistics (population, latitude, longitude, etc.) for
many good sized cities. However, it is NOT comprehensive. You may also
be able to find out the lat./long. from your post office - most of them
have this information on file.  If not, check your nearest outdoor goods
store (camping and hiking) for a topographical map of your area.

Once you have this information, you can use a number of programs to
convert to the grid square (see ftp.barc.org, in the directory
/pub3/hamradio/arrl/bbs/programs, files named grid*.*).

Keep in mind that the "sub-grids" (the two letter suffix) are only
accurate if you have the precise lat./long. for your QTH. However,
these subgrids are only used for a few specialized contests - most
folks only need the standard 4 digit grid square.

Best Regards, Michael Tracy, KC1SX, ARRL Technical Information Services
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
American Radio Relay League, Inc.     Tel: [phone]
225 Main Street                       Fax: [phone]
Newington, CT 06111                   Email: [e-mail]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:54:12 1995
From: [e-mail] (Hans Brakob)
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!rosevax!hamlink!fredmail
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Growth Pattern
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 15:33:45 -0100
X-FTN-To: All
Lines: 40

   The decade of 1986 through 1995 saw growth in our ranks to
the tune of 66.6%. The pattern, which most of us probably would
think was almost solely due to the new Technician license,
is actually more diverse than I expected.
   Certainly the Technician class has been a major and welcome
contributor to our growth. A decade ago there were no codeless
Technicians, and today they comprise 20.6 percent of the
total licensees.
   In each class the growth patterns are as follows:
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Class       1986        1995     Gain/Loss
Extra       40,455    71,900   (+31,447)
Adv.        98,294   117,398   (+19,104)
General    116,944   130,021   (+13,077)
Tech+       86,025   139,529   (+53,054)
Tech            0   145,193   (New Class)
Novice     79,359    97,468   (+18,109)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
   There was no class which lost numbers, and the heaviest
relative growth was in the Extra (77.7%) and Tech+ (61.6%)
classes. The General class was the slowest growth class,
both in numbers and percentage.
   No, I'm not a statistician, so I don't know what all this
really means. The growth in Novice, coupled with the
popularity of Tech and Tech+, clearly means a lot of
newcomers to our ranks.
   Beyond there, I suspect the slowness of General growth
reflects a tendency "not to stop, but to upgrade" because
very few newcomers go directly to Advanced or Extra, and thus
drain down the numbers in lower classes. This suggests General
may be just a "stepping stone" and does not retain its input
well. The over 50,000 new Extra/Advanced licensees probably
moved "through" the General class over the decade.
   Most interesting to me, however, was the healthy growth of
the Novice class. There are more new Novices than new Generals!
   --
   73, de Hans, K0HB
   --




From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:54:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Burt Fisher)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Gutless assholes
Date: 25 Nov 95 11:34:00 GMT
Organization: ucsd usenet gateway
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Originator: [e-mail]

   Someone is playing me again!!!!!

#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
| [e-mail]                                [e-mail] |
#======================================================================#


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:54:13 1995
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From: Hans Brakob <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Gutless assholes
Date: 25 Nov 1995 23:00:28 GMT
Organization: MicroBurst
Lines: 12
Message-ID: <49876c$jte$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Good ol' Burt said:

>Everyone who hates my postings can get the f*** off
>the internet.

They're going to close down the internet?

--
- - - "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
      indistiguishable from magic."  A.C.Clarke

- - - Have you performed some magic this week?


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:54:14 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Heath HW-101
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 02:51:48 GMT
Organization: Inlink
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References: <[e-mail]>
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X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82

[e-mail] (Dave Jarrett) wrote:


>**********************************************
>*Dave Jarrett   KF4APJ  FM17      Hampton, VA*
>*GL0BAL TELECOM BBS              804-723-5728*
>*E-Mail  [e-mail]    FidoNet 1:271/305*

I have an HW-101 that I built in the early '70s, still use it everyday
and it still works great.  Sure wish Heathkit stayed in the Amateur
Kit business and left the computer industry alone.

Gary




From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:54:15 1995
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From: [e-mail] (L. Brichardi)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Hello.
Date: 22 Nov 1995 06:11:52 GMT
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Anybody do qrp pactor besides me?


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (L. Brichardi) writes:
>Anybody do qrp pactor besides me?

Well I didn't *intend* to, but due to a bad antenna and severe
VSWR foldback in the rig, that's what I seem to be doing. Still
works.

Digital board: HAL P-38
Radio: IC-706
Antenna: G5RV much patched from damage caused by Opal
         at 15 feet with twinlead lying on the ground.
Tuner: What tuner?
Est ERP: << 5 watts

Gary
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Hi,

   I have to do a paper on low speed radio communication.  Low speed, I
mean up to and including Amplitude modulation(AM) and shortwave radio.  I
don't really want to know much about the physics of radio communication.
I am suppose to write about error correction, error detection, and
physical faults with this communication.  It is for a fourth year
information, coding theory course.  I have looked through our library and
there isn't much I can find on it.  Any help or information would be much
appreciated....

Thanks very much...

Sincerely,
Ian Butt
4th Year Computer Science
University Of Western Ontario                [e-mail]
Canada                                       Voice: 519-850-7949




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I have to do a paper on low speed radio communication.  Low speed, I
mean up to and including Amplitude modulation(AM) and shortwave radio.  I
don't really want to know much about the physics of radio communication.
I am suppose to write about error correction, error detection, and
physical faults with this communication.  It is for a fourth year
information, coding theory course.

Thanks....


Sincerely,
Ian Butt
4th Year Computer Science
University Of Western Ontario                [e-mail]
Canada                                       Voice: 519-850-7949




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In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.951123151743.7418E-100000@obelix>,
Ian Butt  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I have to do a paper on low speed radio communication.  Low speed, I
> mean up to and including Amplitude modulation(AM) and shortwave radio.  I
> don't really want to know much about the physics of radio communication.
> I am suppose to write about error correction, error detection, and
> physical faults with this communication.  It is for a fourth year
> information, coding theory course.

You seem to have mistaken this newsgroup for a reference library.
It isn't.

You seem to have mistaken the readership for research assistants.
We aren't.

You might consider taking the old fashion approach to this assignment,
and try doing the work yourself.  Although this requires expending
effort, reading, doing math, writing, and other such unpleasantness,
it has the advantage that you might actually come to an understanding
of the subject matter.


> Thanks....

You're quite welcome.


-- John Kodis.


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From: [e-mail] (Richard Harrison)
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Ian:

You've come to the right place to get some pointers but not direct answers.

Begin with the easy stuff...go to your library and get the ARRL (Amateur Radio
Relay League) handbook and read the section on radio propagation. That will
lead you right into the heart of the problem of moving information by radio --
NOISE.  Get the references cited and you'll find all of you answers.

I see only one potential problem...

> I don't really want to know much about the physics of radio communication.
> I am suppose to write about error correction, error detection, and
> physical faults with this communication.

You absolutely cannot know the answers unless you are willing to learn some of
the physics of radio signal propagation. What you will find in radio
communications is that most coding is done for the purpose of mitigating
errors induced by noise and not so much to achieve higher data throughput.

Good luck,

Richard H.  / NT2Z


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Richard Harrison) writes:
>I see only one potential problem...
>
>> I don't really want to know much about the physics of radio communication.
>> I am suppose to write about error correction, error detection, and
>> physical faults with this communication.
>
>You absolutely cannot know the answers unless you are willing to learn some of
>the physics of radio signal propagation. What you will find in radio
>communications is that most coding is done for the purpose of mitigating
>errors induced by noise and not so much to achieve higher data throughput.

At HF, noise isn't the half of it. Sure, there's a high thermal noise
level, but that's not too serious since signal levels are also high.
More serious, there's natural impulsive noise, selective fading,
which is a killer problem for data, and various manmade sources of
interference. And worse, the channel characteristics change rapidly,
and any successful protocol must adapt just as rapidly.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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 Where in FCC.GOV can you find the new licenses?  I have been looking for a
friend.  Thanks  N0ZYA


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I have a few statements  & questions to make;
First off I am only talking about the HF AMATUER SPECTRUM now. Here's how it breaks down;
(1) The total HF radio specrtum usable for AMATUER operators is; 3.750 mhz
(2) Accordding to the ARRL band plan(gentlemens agreement)  SSB is; 1.973 mhz
(3) CW is; 1.198 mhz
(4) Using these figures, there is theoredical maximum usage level for HF, being; 1,856 qso's
(5) SSB 1,973khz divided by 3khz = 658 qso's
(6) CW 1,198khz divided by 1khz = 1,198 qso's
(7) Hence 658 + 1,198 = 1,856 total qso's
I know this does not take into account for propagation, but that's beside the point, there are 750,000 hams
in the U.S.A., and if only 10% = 7,500 were to get on HF, the bands would be over flowing.
If only 1% of them were on SSB, it would be too many.

I here all the talk about needing more hams, WE NEED MORE HAMS, or ham radio will die!
You must look closely at who is saying this, and why.
If it's so important that we have "so many" new hams, then set a goal, the "majic" number, that if we reach
it, hams radio will be  in no danger of dieing.
My question is; What is that "MAJIC" number, how many is enough, what is a "healthy" growth rate?
Anyone who listens to HF on a weekend, knows what I'm talking about, GOD help you if there is a contest
running(and when isn't there one) on a weekend that you want to get on the air.
The first thing any of you are going to tell me is; Go on vhf/uhf etc.  That is not what I became a ham for,
my goal was HF, where DX is "reliable" on a given band.  That is also the goal of most of the hams out
there, if not, why bother with having different classes of licenses, there needs to be a "clear" set goal,
for advancement, & added privleages rewarded for it, otherwise, what's the use in all of this?!
The FCC says that all the RF spectrum there is, is all there ever will be, and as more & more hams come into
the hobby, the more & more crowded it IS going to get!
                                                                               Matt/KK5DR



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Saying HF is too crowded is like saying the roads are too crowded.  It depends
on where, when and one's own definition of "crowded".  Personally, I find
there's lots of space available on HF except as you say, during certain
contests -- and even then the WARC bands are a contest-free zone.

Incidentally, in your post you mention bandwidth figures of 3 kHz for SSB and
1 kHz for CW.  Both of those can be done with significantly less, especially
CW.  RTTY (my personal favorite) only takes up 250 Hz, and the 'TOR modes only
a little bit more.  Perhaps this is part of your difficulty?


73, Bill W7LZP
[e-mail]


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The reason most people think HF is too crowded, is
they want to set up a NET on a particular frequency,
at a time that everyone else is using HF.  The band
could be dead from 2100Z to 0000Z, but loaded with
NETs after that.  I think the concept of a NET is so
outdated as to be funny in a beserk sort of way.  Most
sound to be in their 80's, and sucking on an oxygen
hose.  They visualize themselves as being 20, but don't
have any stamina past 9pm local.

Two things would improve HF Amateur 200%.  The first is
to ban NETs, the second is to restrict contests to a
slice.  By getting Hams to talk instead of mimicking CB
channels, or rabid women at a dress sale, then we will
have improved HF, and made it something new licenses
would be interested in.  Not many modern young people
have the drive to be on HF after listening to it for
5 minutes.  It's kinda like turning the clock back to
1960 technology-wise, but without the morals or good
citizenship.  Most conversations turn into 4 letter words
after even 5 minutes.  When some schmuck from overseas
comes on the air, 9000 frothing idiots try to key up at
the same time.  All to get a postcard with his call on it.

It makes you want to cry, that America even has this many
mental cases.  What we need is a good drug to fight this
addiction.  The ARRL is the pusher, so we can't expect them
to solve the problem.  It needs attention by professionals.



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From: [e-mail] (charles copeland)
Subject: Re: HF TOO CROWDED?
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In article <494maj$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have a few statements  & questions to make;
>First off I am only talking about the HF AMATUER SPECTRUM now. Here's how it breaks down;
>
>You must look closely at who is saying this, and why.

I would guess the average age of HF HAMs is 65 years old. 70,80,90 year
olds are common. HF HAM population most likely is dropping due to death.

>My question is; What is that "MAJIC" number, how many is enough, what is a "healthy" growth rate?

A healthy growth rate would be when HF ham population was not dropping.

>The FCC says that all the RF spectrum there is, is all there ever will be,
>and as more & more hams come into
>the hobby, the more & more crowded it IS going to get!

There is LOTS of room on uhf/vhf for new hams. I've never seen these
bands overly crowded in the largest of cities.

Most new hams are no-code or maybe tech+. I've talked to many who
are trying to reach 13wpm, but never find the time to do it.

On the 200mhz, 900mhz, and 1.3ghz band there is virtually NOBODY.
Lots of room for new hams there.

One reason the HF bands are crowded now is that many bands are dead due
to low sunspot cycle. Things will spread out in a few years.

It would be interesting to get some REAL figures on the HF versus
UHF/VHF HAM population growths.



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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <494maj$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>I have a few statements  & questions to make;
>First off I am only talking about the HF AMATUER SPECTRUM now. Here's how it breaks down;
>(1) The total HF radio specrtum usable for AMATUER operators is; 3.750 mhz
>(2) Accordding to the ARRL band plan(gentlemens agreement)  SSB is; 1.973 mhz
>(3) CW is; 1.198 mhz
>(4) Using these figures, there is theoredical maximum usage level for HF, being; 1,856 qso's

That's obviously wrong, so there must be something wrong with the
assumptions which follow (and there is).

>(5) SSB 1,973khz divided by 3khz = 658 qso's

But realistic on air experience shows that spacing need only be
about 1.8 kHz for signals of equal strength. That gives 1096
QSO slots, and with a minimum of 2 amateurs required for a QSO,
that accomodates 2192. But that number is also much lower than
actual on the air experience supports, so there's still something
wrong with this (see below).

>(6) CW 1,198khz divided by 1khz = 1,198 qso's

OOK Morse signals are non-overlapping at a spacing of 400 Hz, and
operators have found in practice that spacings as little as 250 Hz
are usable at slower speeds.

>(7) Hence 658 + 1,198 = 1,856 total qso's

If we accepted your assumptions so far (with the corrections noted)
we'd have 4588 amateurs in QSO at once in mixed SSB/CW modes totally
filling HF. But actual on the air experience shows that not to be
the case, so there is still something you are missing (see below).

>I know this does not take into account for propagation, but that's beside the point,

Ah ha, now we find the fatal flaw. Propagation *does* matter. In fact
it matters a *lot*. Notice that the band filling SSB count above was
2192, but that assumes that all signals (from anywhere in the world)
have equal strength at your receiver. They don't. If there is only
a 12 db difference in signal strength, QSOs can be carried on simultaneously
*on the same channel* by more than one pair of stations. Differences in
propagation from one path to another are *frequently* 12 db or more,
so your counts really only apply to the local area. The frequencies are
reused again and again in different areas along different propagation
paths.

>there are 750,000 hams
>in the U.S.A., and if only 10% = 7,500 were to get on HF, the bands would be over flowing.
>If only 1% of them were on SSB, it would be too many.

But of course there are about 260,000 amateurs in the US licensed to
get on HF, and according to the latest figures released by ARRL, 79%
of them operate SSB (and about 2.5 *million* amateurs in the world,
with a majority of them able to get on HF). Now since the bands *aren't*
congested past using, your scenario falls flat on its face. The most
extreme situation happens annually during Field Day. There are many
more than 7500 amateur stations on HF on that day, but still there are
some pretty impressive scores rolled up, so the bands are certainly
usable under extreme pressure.

>I here all the talk about needing more hams, WE NEED MORE HAMS, or ham radio will die!
>You must look closely at who is saying this, and why.
>If it's so important that we have "so many" new hams, then set a goal, the "majic" number, that if we reach
>it, hams radio will be  in no danger of dieing.
>My question is; What is that "MAJIC" number, how many is enough, what is a "healthy" growth rate?

A number that represents effective political power is 3 million (see NRA).
More would be better, but 3 million should be adequate. A healthy growth
rate is one which results in amateur radio operator demographics tracking
the demographics of the US population at large. That hasn't been the case
since 1968, but things are turning around a bit now and the average age
of the amateur population is no longer increasing at a rate of nearly
one year per year (which represented a greying (and dying) of amateur
radio which could not be sustained over the long term).

>Anyone who listens to HF on a weekend, knows what I'm talking about, GOD help you if there is a contest
>running(and when isn't there one) on a weekend that you want to get on the air.

Then I'd suggest you need to sharpen your operating skills. Certainly those
participating in the contests have, since they are effectively communicating.
If you can't, you're doing something wrong.

>The first thing any of you are going to tell me is; Go on vhf/uhf etc.  That is not what I became a ham for,
>my goal was HF, where DX is "reliable" on a given band.  That is also the goal of most of the hams out
>there,

Actually, if Dx were *reliable* it wouldn't be a challenge now would it?
And Dxers wouldn't bother competing for awards now would they? This all
sounds like you've never really operated much at HF.

>if not, why bother with having different classes of licenses,

Now there's a good question. Why indeed do we bother with having different
classes of licenses? I can't think of a good reason. (I've heard several
*bad* reasons, but not any good ones.)

>there needs to be a "clear" set goal,
>for advancement, & added privleages rewarded for it, otherwise, what's the use in all of this?!

Maybe radio communication and experimentation? If the only point of
amateur radio is the passing of exams, then indeed we should ask
what's the use of all this?

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        charles copeland <[e-mail]> wrote:

>There is LOTS of room on uhf/vhf for new hams. I've never seen these
>bands overly crowded in the largest of cities.

My guess is you don't get on 2 meters in NYC or LA much, huh?


MD
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <494maj$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
<snip>

: > why bother with having different classes of licenses,

: Now there's a good question. Why indeed do we bother with having different
: classes of licenses? I can't think of a good reason. (I've heard several
: *bad* reasons, but not any good ones.)

<snip>

     There were three original reasons for the U.S. practice of setting aside
sub-bands for "phone".  One was that AM phone with the technology of the
1925-1945 period really did wipe out code.  We did not have much selectivity,
notch filters, good modulation practices and so on.  Two was an effort to
deal with the problem KK5GR is discussing - AM phone at more than 6kHz per
channel did seem to threaten the activity of the "average" ham with a 210
or (later) a 6L6 final if it were permitted over the entire HF band.  AND
for most of that time the VHF bands were not much help - superregenerative
receivers and general instability forced speacings of hundreds of kHz
on 5 and 2-1/2 meters.  Three was that there were so many more U.S.
hams than anywhere else in the world that if U.S. phone stations could
operate on any frequency, as other hams could, nobody in the U.S. could
hope to hear anybody abroad.

   To a considerable degree, the institution of license classes in the
late twenties was trying to do the same things as the subbands.  Those
with a sufficient interest to pursue higher classes of license could
hope to get out of the QRM to some degree.  It's still true.. seventy
five meter DX phone is almost impossible outside a very narrow band
around 3795 kHz, which is partly protected by the license class
system.

73 and GL ( maybe, to carry the cw practice to an even more absurd
extreme I should say 73 es gl )

Gerry K8EF





From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:54:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Turner)
Subject: High speed CW with a KAM
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Would anyone like to try some really high speed CW (machine sent and received
of course)?  My KAM manual says it will send and receive up to 99 words per
minute, and I think it'd be fun to try it out. Other TNCs can probably do it
as well.

Please email me at the address below and let's set up a sked.  I'm in the
Seattle area.


73, Bill W7LZP
[e-mail]


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Subject: Howard Stern Southern ON?
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Hi!  I'm not sure if this is the right area for this question, but its as
close as I could find.

I am using a GE SuperRadio III for AM broadcast reception, and am in the
southern part of Ontario Canada, about 60 miles west of Toronto.  I want
to pick up Howard Sterns show, but need some frequencies and times to try.

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance

.. 73, VE3 SHT.  19 years old, and licensed since June 15, 1987!
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CH>Hi!  I'm not sure if this is the right area for this question, but its as
CH>close as I could find.

CH>I am using a GE SuperRadio III for AM broadcast reception, and am in the
CH>southern part of Ontario Canada, about 60 miles west of Toronto.  I want
CH>to pick up Howard Sterns show, but need some frequencies and times to try.

CH>Any suggestions?

CH>Thanks in advance

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why would anyone in his right mind want to listen to stern's show?

i graduated from the toilet-grade humor 7 years ago.

greg
kd6ven


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Chris Smart ([e-mail]) wrote:
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: Hi!  I'm not sure if this is the right area for this question, but its as
: close as I could find.

: I am using a GE SuperRadio III for AM broadcast reception, and am in the
: southern part of Ontario Canada, about 60 miles west of Toronto.  I want
: to pick up Howard Sterns show, but need some frequencies and times to try.

: Any suggestions?

: Thanks in advance

: .. 73, VE3 SHT.  19 years old, and licensed since June 15, 1987!
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  Try the rec.radio.shortwave group.

Tom



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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chris Smart) writes:
>Hi!  I'm not sure if this is the right area for this question, but its as
>close as I could find.
rec.radio.broadcasting is a better group for this question, but try WKBW
on 1520KHz mornings.  Buffalo station, wait, they changed callsign, now
WWKB
>
>I am using a GE SuperRadio III for AM broadcast reception, and am in the
>southern part of Ontario Canada, about 60 miles west of Toronto.  I want
>to pick up Howard Sterns show, but need some frequencies and times to try.



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From: [e-mail] (Kay2020)
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Well something sure made your ignorant ass drop about 20 different
newsgroups
out of your reply chain. (probably ccsnet.com) :-)

At least you're here and no harm is done to the likes of rec.alpine.skiing
or rec.crossword.

Kay :-)



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Subject: Icom 706 vs Yaesu 900
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All you intrepid mobile HF ops out there.  I tried to retrieve previous
articles concerning the above mentiioned rigs, no luck all have expired (
at least from my prospestive).  Can I probe for some impressions, good
bad  or indifferent.  Performance problems ? I am wondering if the 706 is
a comprimise being dc to daylight type of rig...

Tnx

/joe k8fc



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Subject: Re: Icom 706 vs Yaesu 900
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In article <[e-mail]> "Joseph H. Wilkowski" <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>All you intrepid mobile HF ops out there.  I tried to retrieve previous
>articles concerning the above mentiioned rigs, no luck all have expired (
>at least from my prospestive).  Can I probe for some impressions, good
>bad  or indifferent.  Performance problems ? I am wondering if the 706 is
>a comprimise being dc to daylight type of rig...

As far as I can tell, most of the compromise is in the DC to daylight
part, and not in the amateur band part. The radio doesn't really offer
the sensitivity at upper VHF that the advertisements seem to promise,
though there are mods out already which help that problem.

The only real negative I've found about mine is that you really have
to *use* the preamp and attenuator functions. Dynamic range isn't as
good as we've become accustomed to in some of the larger and more
expensive rigs. But given its size and its intended purpose as a mobile
rig running on an inherently narrow banded and insensitive mobile antenna,
I think it'll do fine.

I've been using mine mostly for HF data operations at home side by side
with the old standby IC-735 into a really crummy temporary antenna. I
think it does as well, and is easier to use, than the IC-735. I haven't
encountered conditions where the IC-735 worked and the IC-706 didn't. The
fine tuning rate, and the RTTY narrow filter option really work well.
Thermal control seems good too, though the fan is a bit loud. This radio
has a *lot* of features, and a surprising number of them are well thought
out, easy to use (I expect particularly in a mobile environment, its laid
out very well), and genuinely useful. I am a bit disappointed with the
stock SSB filter. A sharper filter would be useful if you're a heavy voice
user (one's an option), but I'm not. I do mostly data, so I fitted the
optional narrow RTTY filter instead.

I chose the IC-706 over the FT-900 based primarily on size. It's
ultimately going in a vehicle with very limited space for another
radio (there's already GPS, Loran, VHF and UHF, and computers in
there). The IC-706 offers some very flexible mounting options for
that. The lack of an autotuner isn't a detriment because most of
the built in autotuners I've tried can't deal with mobile antennas
very well anyway. I'll likely mount a remote tuner at the antenna
if I decide I need one (the segments where data operation are common
aren't that wide so I probably won't).

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:54:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Roehrig)
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Subject: Re: Info-Hams Digest V95 #1064
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On Wed, 22 Nov 1995, Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup wrote:

> Subject: CW Military Training

Doug, N6TQS said:
>
> Some of you are missing the point of the question.  Given that the
> armed forces were training CW operators for large numbers of years
> (even if not currently doing so), perhaps the techniques they used are
> of use to those of us who want to learn code.  Good question.
>
> My experience was that they selected only those with an aptitude.
> When taking aptitude tests in Navy boot camp, in 1965, among other
> things they tried us out on a quicky code learning session.  It went
> something like this, as I recall:  headphones on, here's an E, here's
> a T, here's an A, here's an N; repeat this for 5 minutes ..... etc....

I went thru the same thing in Army boot camp at Fort Knox in 1963.
They stuck our company in a classroom for about an hour and did the
same thing as Doug experienced. After they taught the several letters,
they started sending them and slowly increased the speed up to about
20 WPM. I think I was the last one still copying at the end.

Some years later our explorer scout troop got some code learning tapes
from Air Force Mars. They are about the best I have ever heard. Not
only are they teaching the code but the phonetic alphabet at the same
time. The farnsworth method is used in these tapes.

Bob, K9EUI





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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 21/2330Z NOVEMBER 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 21 NOVEMBER AND FORECAST FOR 22 NOVEMBER - 24 NOVEMBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: Very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  73/9

GOES satellite data for 20 Nov
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:    NA
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:   NA
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV:  NA
       X-ray background:  NA
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             22 Nov             23 Nov             24 Nov
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 22 Nov:  73/9

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: Quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 20 Nov
    Learmonth        4  2121 1211
    Fredericksburg   5                           6
    Planetary        8                           4

Observed Kp for 20 Nov: NA
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
22 Nov     4    quiet
23 Nov     4    quiet
24 Nov     4    quiet

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
21 Nov      Normal         Normal         Normal
PCA Event : None

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
22 Nov      Normal         Normal         Normal
23 Nov      Normal         Normal         Normal
24 Nov      Normal         Normal         Normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
DATE   T index
21 Nov    10

Observed Australian Regional MUFs:
Townsvile: near predicted monthly values with spread F 13-18UT.
Sydney: 10% enhanced until 9UT then near predicted monthly values.
Hobart: near predicted monthly values.

Predicted Monthly T index for November: 10

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
22 Nov    10    near predicted monthly values
23 Nov    10    near predicted monthly values
24 Nov    10    near predicted monthly values
COMMENT:
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 22/2330Z NOVEMBER 1995 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY.
SUMMARY FOR 22 NOVEMBER AND FORECAST FOR 23 NOVEMBER - 25 NOVEMBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: Very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  73/9

GOES satellite data for 21 Nov
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   3.5E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 2.6E+06 (normal)
       X-ray background: A1.0
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             23 Nov             24 Nov             25 Nov
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 23 Nov:  73/9

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: Quiet

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 21 Nov
    Learmonth        6  2222 2212
    Fredericksburg   5                           2
    Planetary        7                           2

Observed Kp for 21 Nov: 0110 0100
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE      Ap    CONDITIONS
23 Nov     4    quiet
24 Nov     4    quiet
25 Nov     4    quiet

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
22 Nov      Normal         Normal         Normal
PCA Event : None

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    LATITUDE BAND
DATE        LOW            MIDDLE         HIGH
23 Nov      Normal         Normal         Normal
24 Nov      Normal         Normal         Normal
25 Nov      Normal         Normal         Normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
DATE   T index
22 Nov    15

Observed Australian Regional MUFs:
Darwin: mostly near predicted monthly values.
Townsville: 15-30% enhanced 04-09UT.
Sydney: near predicted monthly values.
Hobart: near predicted monthly values with night-time spread F.
Sporadic E layer was observed at all sites.

Predicted Monthly T index for November: 10

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE   T index  MUFs
23 Nov    10    near predicted monthly values
24 Nov    10    near predicted monthly values
25 Nov    10    near predicted monthly values

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From: [e-mail] (Clifton T. Sharp)
Subject: Re: Is Motorola Building Amateur Gear Again? Looks like "Yes"
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In article <48h47i$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell) writes:
>It looks like the answer might be yes. You can read more about it at the free
>ham radio magazine, Ham Radio Online, available at:
>http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm

I'm on a uucp site which doesn't have web access. Has anyone (who's read
it) got any comments?

--
   Cliff Sharp                  There are days when no matter which
     WA9PDM                      way you spit, it's upwind.
  [e-mail]       --The First Law of Reality


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From: Richard <[e-mail]>
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Subject: IS THERE ANY OLD TUBE SW RECEIVER FOR SALE??
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If you have please tell me.
Thanks,
Richard Ho
email:[e-mail]




From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:54:46 1995
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Subject: Is this praise or what?
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Now this guy sees the real K1OIK:


Date: 10-09-95 (06:43)             Number: 10326
From: LARRY ROLL                   Refer#: NONE
  To: STEVEN HILDEBRAND             Recvd: NO
Subj: Burt Fisher: The Legend!       Conf: (10) HAM
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Steve:

 Burt does EVERYTHING better than everyone, don't you know that by now?
 He's a one-man army, the hero of heroes, and a legend in his own mind!
 I just hope I get a chance to meet him in person some day and see what
 he's really like!  But for now, all I can do is read his posts here
 on Fidonet, where he graciously tells us of his overall superiority as
 a human being, ham radio operator, lover, etc. and just dream about
 being like Burt when I grow up!

 I think Steven Spielberg should do a film all about the adventures of
 Burt Fisher.  Burt could be played by Harrison Ford, his wife by Anne
 Archer.  The screen play should be based on the upcoming novel by
 Tom Clancy entitled "Burt Fisher...A Clear and Present Hero of the World!"
 I can't wait...it should be quite entertaining to see how normal,
 everyday people stumble around, trying to muddle through their pitifully
 dull lives somehow, while Burt Fisher stands apart from them all, serving
 as the shining example of perfection for all to emulate.

 I think Burt should also have his own nationally syndicated radio talk
 show, just like Rush Limbaugh or G. Gordon Liddy.  Instead of the
 "Excellence In Broadcasting Network" his show could run on the
 "Overwhelming Superiority in Broadcasting" network.

 Of course, Burt probably agrees with all of this.  After all, a person
 with all of Burt's qualities has no need for false modesty.  And, it's
 just as well...after all, how we know about all of Burt's fine qualities,
 and our own shortcomings, if he didn't tell us of them!

 Ah, yes...Burt Fisher...the man, the myth, the legend!  Burt Fisher for
 President?  Naw...that's too lowly an office for him.  We need to think
 of something a lot better.  Dictator?  Chancellor?  Fherer?

 Hey Burt...I know you're reading this...how about an autographed picture?

 73 de Larry, WR2F
 President, Burt Fisher Fan Club

... I am Fisher of Borg...No Hams are good enough to be assimilated!

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  +=================================+===================================+


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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: My wife even thinks hams are....
Date: 22 Nov 1995 20:14:15 GMT
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Just passing by and saw this.
This sounds like the stuff I use to hear on 75 m AM.

Michael Ponte              WA1BZJ
[e-mail]
http://www.ultranet.com/~mponte/





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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: My wife even thinks hams are....
Date: 22 Nov 1995 22:41:15 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
>Just passing by and saw this.
>This sounds like the stuff I use to hear on 75 m AM.


Routine traffic or contesting makes you a man?




#================#=====================================================#
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| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
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From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:54:50 1995
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Subject: need help
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Hi!

Does anybody know, what following is worth:

Heathkit SSB Transceiver Model HW-100
with Assembly Manual

somebody must have modified it or so, because on the top of the large piece,
there is a  hole cutout and in the hole is another piece coming out. I don't
know if it works, there is no Power cabel.

Any help would be appreciated, or if somebody is interested in it, please make
me an fair offer.

Thanks
Johanna
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Mike McDowell)
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Subject: Need novice/tech testing program.
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Is there a good one available?

Michael


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From: [e-mail] (GOPALA KRISHNA )
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Subject: NEED TO SPREAD THE WORD. TRY TO ADVERTISE ON THE WWW.
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     CLASSIFIED ADS-100 WORDS OR LESS FOR $95 FOR ONE FULL YEAR AND
     HOME PAGE ADS-1 HEADLINE, 1 SUB-HEADLINE AND 45 LINES OF TEXT
     FOR $95 FOR ONE FULL YEAR. PLEASE SEND YOUR ADVERTISEMENT
INFORMATION AND PAYMENT TO:GOPALA KRISHNA, 248 SHAKERRUN APTS, ALBANY,
NY-12205.


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From: [e-mail] (Bill Moressi )
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Subject: NEET WIDE BAND SCAN MOD FOR FT-470 ht!
Date: 25 Nov 1995 04:33:33 GMT
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If you would like to know how to easly modify your

FT-470

WITHOUT TAKING IT APART

E-mail me..

This is the best! this makes it scan a hole lot more than it did. You
might even need to get a new antenna!!

E-mail me at
"[e-mail]" Or easyer reply!

73's

Ke4qze


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From: [e-mail] (R. Wiley)
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Subject: Re: Newsgroup abuse???
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.

Burt et.al. can be annoying, but I can tolerate
them a lot easier than any net cop who would
censor them.


rw


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From: "John  L. Rouse" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Newsgroup abuse???
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[e-mail] (R. Wiley) wrote:
>.
>
>Burt et.al. can be annoying, but I can tolerate
>them a lot easier than any net cop who would
>censor them.
>
>
>rw

 I agree, but it sure would be nice if some of these folks who get all
aquiver when they see their names attached to a missive, no matter how
purile, would exercise a little self-censorship.It would also be a great
boon to this news group if those folks who get irritated at the endless,
inane postings of some would restrain themselves from commenting on them.
It's a given that if some of the dolts who clutter up news groups with
verbal droppings were totally ignored, they'd go away, perhaps to
alt.loonies or somesuch....

73, John KA3DBN
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From: [e-mail] (KF2TI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!
Date: 24 Nov 1995 07:46:32 -0500
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In article <48urqk$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (William
C. Thompson) writes:

>But watching those ARRL bigshots walking around
>Dayton a few years ago, with there JUST SHUT UP AND LEARN THE CODE
>buttons, did not make me feel inclined to associate myself with such a
>group. I also assumed the feeling was mutual.

i've been to many dayton's and have yet seen that button but I WANT ONE!!!
 funny, we must be going to different ARRL booths.  the one i go to has
nice pleasant persons who seem to answer questions.  never had anyone of
them come over and try to "convert" me.

let me know.  i'll make it a point to look for your ARRL booth this MAY.

steve

Back to the shadows again


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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Senie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NYC Marathon question
Date: 25 Nov 1995 23:33:08 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Anthony R. Gold <[e-mail]> wrote:
)In article <48qu2n$[e-mail]>
)           [e-mail] "Gary McDuffie, Sr." writes:
)
)> But, tactical callsigns are allowed during certain operations, at least in the
)> old regs.  I haven't specifically looked for it in the new ones.
)
)The Commission's Rules for Amateur Radio (CFR 47 Part 97) do allow for the
)addition of self-assigned indicators in addition to assigned call signs
)and separated from the call sign by a slant mark or eqivalent, but I know
)of nothing about "tactical callsigns" in the place of assigned call signs.

Tactical callsigns are commonplace in disaster and public service
communication. Use of tactical callsigns does not relieve the operator from
proper identification at the end of, or every 10 minutes during a
communication. What tactical callsigns DO provide is useful information
(which station is calling) and rapid identification to the net control
station and other stations on frequency. During a busy event like a marathon,
it's important to know that "Lead Car" is the station calling, for example.
When that station is finished with the exchange with net control, a quick
ID is added. The net control (and other stations) don't care which ham is
at a particular spot. Indeed often several hams will cover a position during
the course of an event or disaster.

So, tactical callsigns are simply an aid to efficient communication.

--
---------------------------------------------------------------
Daniel Senie                 Internet:     [e-mail],
Daniel Senie Consulting                    [e-mail]
http://www.senie.com         Packet Radio: [e-mail]


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Subject: Re: Old Timers, need key parts
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Great subject line, I can identify with that....


73, Bill W7LZP
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (George Mihai Candea)
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Subject: Pioneer KE-A530 question
Date: 23 Nov 1995 21:31:27 GMT
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I apologize if I am posting this to the wrong newsgroup but I am in desperate
need of advice. I have a Pioneer KE-A530 car radio + cassette that my friend
removed from his car a while ago. I am not sure which wires go where because I
don't have the manual anymore and there is no indication on the radio as to
what each wire is. I would appreciate if any of you could tell how to make the
connections (i.e. which is PWR, GND, speakers, etc.).

The wires are in three "bunches":

        Bunch 1:        blue
                        black

        Bunch 2:        green/black (2 wires)
                        gray/black (2 wires)

        Bunch 3:        black (this is definitely a GND -- connected to case)
                        red (has a 0.5 Amp fuse on it and a little box)
                        yellow
                        orange (this must be PWR -- it has a 0.5 Amp fuse)


I really appreciate your help. I reply to my personal e-mail address, as
I do not read this newsgroup regularly.

Thank you,



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Sorry for the last paragraph... I meant I would appreciate if you
replied to my personal e-mail address, as I do not read this newsgroup
regularly.

Thanks a lot,



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From: [e-mail] (J.Fitter   BV/N0IAT)
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Subject: Re: Pioneer KE-A530 question
Date: 24 Nov 1995 06:21:54 GMT
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In article <492p7f$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>I apologize if I am posting this to the wrong newsgroup but I am in desperate
>need of advice. I have a Pioneer KE-A530 car radio + cassette that my friend
>removed from his car a while ago. I am not sure which wires go where because I
>don't have the manual anymore and there is no indication on the radio as to
>what each wire is. I would appreciate if any of you could tell how to make the
>connections (i.e. which is PWR, GND, speakers, etc.).
>
>The wires are in three "bunches":
>
>        Bunch 1:        blue
>                        black
>
>        Bunch 2:        green/black (2 wires)
>                        gray/black (2 wires)
>
>        Bunch 3:        black (this is definitely a GND -- connected to case)
>                        red (has a 0.5 Amp fuse on it and a little box)
>                        yellow
>                        orange (this must be PWR -- it has a 0.5 Amp fuse)
>
>
>I really appreciate your help. I reply to my personal e-mail address, as
>I do not read this newsgroup regularly.
>
>Thank you,
>

I'll try, but dont blame me if it blows up!!!.  Ok...start with bunch 3.  The black
wire goes to battery negative terminal, or chassis ground.  The red wire with fuse
holder and box (noise filter, likely) goes to ignition ACC ON. T The yellow wire is
used if you want to send a signal to an auto amplifier (external power amp,
subwoofer, etc) or a power up/down automatic retractable antenna.  The orange wire
might be to control a clock if the radio has a clock built in. Orange wire would then
go to the battery and the red wire would go to the acc side of the ignition switch.
Then, when you turn the car -on-, the radio works.  Otherwise, when the car is off,
the only power received by the stereo is on the orange wire and the only operating
function is the clock.  Only when the car is -on- does the radio/tape actually work.

bunch 1 :  blue/black...bunch 1.  not sure, possibly line in for an equalizer.

Bunch 2:  most likely, this is left channel positive and negative (to speaker left)
          most likely, this is right channel positive and negative (speaker right)


Without trying it, it's hard to say.   Does the radio have a "fader" for
front-and-back speakers, or is it only a 2 channel output (left and right but no
front and back)???

Keep your posts here...someone can probably help ya.

--
73 from Joe BV2/N0IAT  Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C.
Ex. 7J1AOF(Japan) KA0ZDH(novice) YU3/N0IAT(Slovenia)
Licensed Radio Amateur since 1986 //comments are mine only



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From: [e-mail] (RHardiman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Pioneer KE-A530 question
Date: 25 Nov 1995 05:28:08 -0500
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In article <493oa2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(J.Fitter   BV/N0IAT) writes:

>I'll try, but dont blame me if it blows up!!!.  Ok...start with bunch 3.
The
>black
>wire goes to battery negative terminal, or chassis ground.  The red wire
with
>fuse
>holder and box (noise filter, likely) goes to ignition ACC ON. T The
yellow
>wire is
>used if you want to send a signal to an auto amplifier (external power
amp,
>subwoofer, etc) or a power up/down automatic retractable antenna.  The
orange
>wire
>might be to control a clock if the radio has a clock built in. Orange
wire
>would then
>go to the battery and the red wire would go to the acc side of the
ignition
>switch.
>Then, when you turn the car -on-, the radio works.  Otherwise, when the
car
>is off,
>the only power received by the stereo is on the orange wire and the only
>operating
>function is the clock.  Only when the car is -on- does the radio/tape
>actually work.
>
>bunch 1 :  blue/black...bunch 1.  not sure, possibly line in for an
>equalizer.
>
>Bunch 2:  most likely, this is left channel positive and negative (to
speaker
>left)
>          most likely, this is right channel positive and negative
(speaker
>right)
>
>

I agree with you. But either the yellow or blue wire is probably for a
power antenna.

Rod


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Subject: Re: Pioneer KE-A530 question
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 18:33:19 +0000
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In article <492p7f$[e-mail]>, George Mihai Candea
<[e-mail]> writes
>I apologize if I am posting this to the wrong newsgroup but I am in desperate
>need of advice. I have a Pioneer KE-A530 car radio + cassette that my friend
>removed from his car a while ago. I am not sure which wires go where because I
>don't have the manual anymore and there is no indication on the radio as to
>what each wire is. I would appreciate if any of you could tell how to make the
>connections (i.e. which is PWR, GND, speakers, etc.).
>
yeah, some bugger nicked the one from my car, too!

--

David Atkins                                    |Office Space is a vital part
Ergonomist                                      |of your Business Strategy


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Subject: Re: Please help with expired license
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If you call ARRL (860-594-0200) they can probably give you some info.  I think you
used to get a 1 year grace period.  Get hustling though in case its not that long.
Cant use it in the meantime.  There is also an ARRL web page, not sure if that will
give you access to them or not.
                  Ed,   AC2A



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:05 1995
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From: Hans Brakob <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Please help with expired license
Date: 25 Nov 1995 23:02:24 GMT
Organization: MicroBurst
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References: <[e-mail]>

You have a 2-year grace period to renew without retest.

All you need is to complete and mail an FCC Form-610.

--
- - - "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
      indistiguishable from magic."  A.C.Clarke

- - - Have you performed some magic this week?


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:07 1995
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From: "Judson L. Ahern" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Proto-newbie in Denver seeks advice
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:36:49 -0600
Organization: University of Oklahoma
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To: "Robert C. White Jr." <[e-mail]>

Robert C. White Jr. wrote:
> Greetings out there!

Likewise!

> Universal Radio, so I do not know what my abilities are as of yet.)

For 99% of folks, *receiving* code is the trick.  Most people can send as fast or
faster than they receive with just a little practice sending. Be sure to learn
the letters as "rhythms", not as dots and dashes. This is why most code tapes and
computer code programs send individual characters at around 18 WPM, with long
pauses between characters to get the overall speed down to 5 WPM (or whatever).
this is know as the Farnsworth method.

> I have a few questions which perhaps one of you can answer:
>
> 1) What would be a good "starter rig" for CW?  I'm fairly confused by all
>    the options out there.  While not made of money, I can save up for and
>    purchase a receiver costing > $1,000 if necessary.  I expect to stay
>    in this hobby for a  long time.

For a little over $1000 you can buy a *new* transceiver, I believe. To me,
choosing between Kenwood, Icom, and Yaesu (and anybody I'm leaving out) is a bit
like choosing between Ford and Chevy. Find the features you want at the price you
can afford.  BTW, you want a transceiver, not a receiver. Used to be you could by
RX and TX separately, but not any more (more or less). Now, others might be able
to make a case that certain rigs are better for CW, but they all are designed for
both CW and SSB (and usually AM, FM, some kind of digital mode (FSK), etc.)

> 2) The ARRL publication strongly suggests finding other hams in your area
>    to benefit from the collective wisdom.  Does anyone know how to contact
>    hams in Denver?  If not, I will write to ARRL.

There used to be an Elmer's list (an Elmer is a mentor, as you describe here)
posted here periodically.  I haven't been here in a while, so I don't know if it
still is. If not, perhaps someone could send you the most recent one.

> 3) Do most people around the world transmit CW in English?  If not, does
>    an alphabet exist for other languages such as Arabic or Russian?

In a sense, most use English, but with many standard abbreviations (like TX, RX,
CW, es (and), ur (your), etc.) and, of course Q-signals. I think there is a
section in the ARRL book about that. I'm not a CW guy, so others could give you
better info here.

> 4) Can CW be legally transmitted by computer?  i.e, you know CW, and
>    are licensed to transmit this mode, but
>    you prefer to have the software send the information.  What about all
>    the nasty hum generated by the computer?  Is that frowned upon?

Bill Newkirk addressed this. I have used my computer for CW (OK, I've done a
little CW, but don't tell anybody). My fist gets cramps trying to send at 15 to
20 WPM (my brain gets cramps trying to receive at those speeds but that's another
story).  Hum *might* get into your transmitted signal and that is certainly
something you'd need to check out, but you are more likely to have problems with
computer noise in your receiver.  Because I'm always diddling with my computer, I
usually just have one screw holding the case on. When its being used with the
radio, I find out why they use about 12 of those buggers normally!

> Thanks in advance, and please be gentle with me  -- I have been studying for
> only a few weeks and may have made a total fool out of myself asking a question
> above.

Nothing foolish about your questions at all - they're well-posed. My answers may
be another matter!

73,

Jud

--
Jud Ahern  [e-mail]  Amateur Radio: KC5RI
Geology & Geophysics, U. of Oklahoma, Norman, OK 73019
"Opinions expressed here reflect the entire
 University, in one convenient location."


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:08 1995
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From: Jon Bloom <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: QEX again...
Date: 22 Nov 1995 20:41:39 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman) wrote:
>Today in the mail I received my *December* QST. (Note that it is only the
>13th of November; there are yet two weeks left in the month.)
>
>Has anyone to date received their September, October, or November QEX's?

Yes, I regret to say that we fell behind schedule. However, we are catching
up. You should have received your September issue by now, or within the next
few days at the latest (in North America, anyway). The October issue preview
copies have come back to HQ from the printer, so those should be arriving in
your mailboxes over the next couple of weeks. The November issue is at the
printer and should be hitting mailboxes shortly after the October issue, and
the December issue will go to the printer in early December for late
December/early January delivery. Following issues will continue to creep
back toward the normal schedule until things are back in order.

I apologize for the inconvenience and the delays. We'll get it fixed.
------
Jon Bloom, KE3Z                   | [e-mail]
Editor, QEX                       |
American Radio Relay League       |
225 Main St., Newington CT 06111  |




From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:09 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kelly Gray)
Subject: Re: Rabbit ears -> 2m antenna
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Organization: Humber College Academic Computing Dept.
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Benjamin Schultz KE3OM ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I have a salvaged TV antenna, with VHF and UHF twin-lead lead wires.  Each
: telescoping half extends 1 meter from the center of the antenna mount.  I
: would like to rig this antenna for 2m work.

: Any suggestions?
: --
: Benjamin Schultz, KE3OM  <*>
: Job-hunting to apply technology to business issues.
:  -- If you know someone who can assist, please email me!

 If the length of the 300 ohm twinlead is 1/4 wavelength,
just connect the 50 ohm coax to the ends of the twinlead, it
works fine. I am using one of these taped to a bookshelf in the
middle of my apartment, and I have no problem hitting repeaters
20 miles away. ( I'm using 10 watts when on high power )

 The 1/4 wavelength of twinlead acts as a matching transformer
feeding the ends of a pair of dipoles. Essentially, the TV antenna
works as a two element colinear array.



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:10 1995
Date: 21 Nov 1995 09:23:40 EDT
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: [e-mail] (Alex Kiefer)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: Delaware County Community College
Subject: Radio info
Lines: 7


does anyone out there know of any good books that might help with
building a radio transmitter and other such projects.. if so please
e-mail me thanx.

Alex Kiefer



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Yuroff)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re(2): SCANNERS / 800 MHZ
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 18:53:46 -0500
Organization: Mac Line BBS
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=============
[e-mail] (Alejandro Cubel) wrote:
>Does anyone know if  there are  any scanner in  the US market with 800mhz
>band easy to mod ?
>In my country they are no restriccions to receive cellular band.
>I have a Kenwood TM 732 , but the step on 800 mhz dont match the standard in
>CX. (30 khz).
>Thanks 73 from
>CX9BBL
>
To the best of my knowledge 800 MHz capable radios are no longer available in
the
US.  In Canada, however, it's a different story.  I'm not familiar with the
732, but
if it's a base, consider buying a Radio Shack Pro-2006 if you can find one.

--
Best regards,

Bill Fischer @ Electronic Countermeasures Inc.
=============

Bill's knowledge is close, but not exactly correct.  Scanners that recieve or
are very simply modified to recieve cellular frequencies cannot be sold in the
U.S. (but possession is not restricted).  Some makers took the route to block
all 800 recieve on their recievers, but they were not required to block the
whole 800 band, just the cellular range.  Guess that was easier for them.(?)

Canada does not forbid the cellular recieve, so try them or Javation in
England, who sells Yupi & other wideband scanners with no blocks.

73,
Yuri.
KB8RFU


--

************************************************************************
Mac Line BBS: [phone]   -  A FirstClass System in Madison, WI USA
************************************************************************


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:12 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.wwa.com!news
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Read Ute Hunter
Date: 23 Nov 1995 05:33:35 GMT
Organization: WorldWide Access (tm) - Chicagoland Internet Services (http://www.wwa.com)
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From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:14 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.iii.net!dts
From: [e-mail] (Daniel Senie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Repeaters masking tones
Date: 25 Nov 1995 23:24:01 GMT
Organization: Daniel Senie Consulting
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NNTP-Posting-Host: peanut.iii.net

In article <[e-mail]>,
Jeff Stillinger <[e-mail]> wrote:
): }In article <47r7nf$4a@lambchop>, Ron Thompson  <[e-mail]> wrote:
): }>I was recently experimenting with code squelch on some local
): }>repeaters.  I found that ALL the repeaters I tried fail to
): }>transmit the tones.  I thought code squelch would be great to
): }>facilitate quiet standby, but it's going to be pretty much
): }>useless if it doesn't work through repeaters.
): }>
): }>Does anyone know why this happens? Are there any ways around
): }>it?
): }
)
)The reason this is happening is the contorller.  Most repeaters are
)using the ACC controler.  This controler can choose not to TX the pl.
)It filters the pl for a "cleaner audio".  If it is a problem have the
)control op turn on the tx pl.  It's that simple.

There are a lot of controller manufacturers out there. I would think it a
stretch to say "most" repeaters run ACC. Certainly they have plenty of
customers, but so do many other manufacturers.

The feature of not passing DTMF is selectable on many controllers. I generally
prefer to have repeaters set up this way. DTMF tones are often used as one
of the methods of control of a repeater. If these tones were rebroadcast
by the repeater, folks with tone decoders would have an easier time of figuring
out the access codes to the repeater controller.

Often repeater controllers also have an audio delay circuit, so the repeater
can completely remove the tones from the outbound signal, and also can
cleanly provide an audio beep rather than having a noisy kerchunk.

It's somewhat annoying to hear people punching tones through repeaters anyway,
so I guess I prefer controllers that don't pass the signalling. The DTMF
squelch feature must be used with care, since when you must listen to the
frequency to check to see if it's clear or not before using (if you're DTMF
squelched, you won't hear the traffic on a frequency).

--
---------------------------------------------------------------
Daniel Senie                 Internet:     [e-mail],
Daniel Senie Consulting                    [e-mail]
http://www.senie.com         Packet Radio: [e-mail]


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:15 1995
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (BOUNTY HUNTER)
From: [e-mail] (BOUNTY HUNTER)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:09:00 GMT
Subject: SALE!
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From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:16 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.icon.net!usenet
From: Steve Sampson <ssampson>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Re: Societies Unwashed: The sin and the apology
Date: 23 Nov 1995 15:14:03 GMT
Organization: (ICON) InterConnect Online, Inc.
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I used to be shocked when my private electronic mail was
published.  About as shocked as my love letters being printed
in a book.  I find there are no morals in America, and no
self discipline.  Only a scum would resort to publishing a
private letter.  I used to put a little line in my signature
that said PRIVATE, but then the scum just erased that part.

I'm glad you identified the scum who published your private
mail.  Said scum should be banished from the net.  Write his
postmaster.



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:17 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!crusher.ici.net!dialupS152
From: [e-mail] (Richard M. Flood)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Software for mapping CQ's
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 95 14:08:07 GMT
Organization: The Internet Connection
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X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4


Can anyone reccomend mapping software that will place a dot and label on a
world and US map. I was looking a MapLinx, but thought that someone form this
group might have other reccomendations. I basically just want something that
will label a map in the Windows Environment, radio control isnt necisary.

Thanks in Advance

-Rich


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:18 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!alterdial.uu.net!not-for-mail
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Someone is playing me!
Date: 22 Nov 1995 22:35:32 GMT
Lines: 22
Message-ID: <4908jk$[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] (Joel B Levin) wrote:
>In <48sbkj$[e-mail]>,
>   Burt Fisher <Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>> wrote:
>|3. They HELP me in any concern that my service provider may have
>|that I am innocent because who can tell what I write and I do not.
>
>Anyone can tell immediately that those were forgeries.

How?
I did not write them so I knew but the address etc seemed legit.
Of course the text was "not me" but how did you know?


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
|                            [e-mail]                          |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:19 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!alterdial.uu.net!not-for-mail
From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Someone is playing me!
Date: 22 Nov 1995 22:36:38 GMT
Lines: 17
Message-ID: <4908lm$[e-mail]>
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To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Scott Leaf) wrote:
>Dont worry Burt I do not think that anyone would intentionally play with
>you, not even your wife.

Please do not judge my wife by yours.
OK?


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
|                            [e-mail]                          |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (L. Brichardi)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: TS-50s
Date: 22 Nov 1995 06:27:23 GMT
Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation
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NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1d.delphi.com
X-To: L. Brichardi <[e-mail]>

Does anyone have any mods for this thing besides the expanded xmit?


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:20 1995
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From: Randy Williams <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Unliscensed use
Date: 23 Nov 1995 00:06:35 GMT
Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736)
Lines: 16
Message-ID: <490dub$57e$[e-mail]>
References: <47jk69$[e-mail]>

While I got a chuckle out of the mind-game played at the
electronics store I was also a bit saddened too.

What ever happened to a good old fashioned "No thanks, I don't
need any help at this time."

Why does our society value bitterness and cruelty above
compassion and politeness these days?

Remember: That zit-faced kid just might be the next CEO of
IBM/Microsoft/RCA, etc someday.  If Bill Gates can, well...

whatever,

Randy N7CJE
Key largo, FL


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:21 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!nuhou.aloha.net!oahu-45
From: [e-mail] (The maunezes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Up and comming ham needs help!
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 95 03:00:55 GMT
Organization: Hawaii OnLine - Honolulu, HI
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Hello I am an up and comming ham operator and i need help. I would like to know if there is a software out
there that I can use to study for my Novice and Tech test. If you can help it would be very helpful for me! Thank
you and just respond to my e-mail address. Thanks again!

                                                                Charles Maunez


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:22 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: VEC INFO Needed
Date: 25 Nov 95 12:58:42 JST
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Heard about phone patches and also need some info on how i can setup my vhf base with vhf HT so that I can make and receive phone calls with VHF HT (FT-11
Thanks


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Leaf)
Subject: Re: VHF Contest Help
Sender: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <ve7zvz-2311951137220001@206.12.26.48>
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 19:37:42 GMT
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In article <48vtv4$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Marc Taylor) wrote:

-> I am new to the Ham Radio world, and am interested in getting involved in
-> the upcoming contest in January.  I am not intending to win any awards,
-> just get my feet wet.  I would appreciate any advice, recommendations,
-> and an answer to my basic question, "How do I call 'CQ' during such a
-> contest?".
->
-> Thanks for any advice
->
-> Marc Taylor
-> KC7JKF
-> Ogden, UT

CQ CQ CQ CONTEST THIS IS KILLOWATT CHARLIE SEVEN JULIET KILLOWAT FOXTROT,
(INSERT YOUR GRID SQUARTE HERE) CHARLIE NANCY 89.

My Grid is CN89.  Learn it, use it, live it.

Talk to you in January

--
Scott Leaf VE7ZVZ
[e-mail]
Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada
Mountain DX Club VA7SM - "To boldy VHF where no ham has VHFed before"


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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VHF Contest Help
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 95 21:03:46 GMT
Organization: Microvest Limited, London
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In article <491fq6$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "

> And since they are likely to call slightly off frequency, you have to tweak
> the RIT at the same time as you copy as much of a callsign *correctly*.

Is this a secret winning technique you know about or just the careless
netting one might encounter in the heat of the contest?

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:25 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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Date: 22 Nov 1995 22:35:35 PST
Subject: Waiting for first license after exam
Lines: 10


DI>How much time typically passes between taking the exam and receiving
DI>the license in the mail? I know that the government shutdown will
DI>probably make the wait longer.

I got mine withine 10 days. Good luck and enjoy the hobby. It's a lot of
fun and can meet some nice people.
73's
Gail N1UST                                                              s!



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From: Michael Neidich <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WANTED Zenith TRANS-OCEANIC R7000-1
Date: 25 Nov 1995 12:53:17 GMT
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Want to buy mint condition R7000-1 complete.  Mustn't have fine tuning
backlash.  Advise condition & price wanted. 73 from K2ENN NYC




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From: Damian Commins <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: wanted;yaesu ft-2200 2m mods
Date: 25 Nov 1995 22:57:04 GMT
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i read Tim Skloss's mods for my ft-2200 but found 15 jumpers instead of 12.Four of them were in place-namely 0,2,5,9.How do i go from here to get my exten


From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:28 1995
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From: Hans Brakob <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What does "Q5" mean?
Date: 22 Nov 1995 16:32:29 GMT
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>I would also like to know what the meaning of "Q5" is. <

"Q5" is essentially means "loud and clear".  It is a shortened
version of "QSA5 QRK5" which are operating signals for
strength (QSA) and readability (QRK).

73, de Hans, K0HB

--
- - - "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
      indistiguishable from magic."  A.C.Clarke

- - - Have you performed some magic this week?


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From: [e-mail] (Tim E.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What other think of K1OIK
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 09:57:53 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:


>->Call removed below to protect my supporter from being attacked:


>->id BBBJANEM ; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 17:25:12 -0500
>->Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 18:20:42 -0500
>->From: [e-mail]
>->To: [e-mail]
>->Subject: Re: The idiot ham trade.

>->Sir,
>->I am afraid you are entirely too witty for this newsgroup; you will have to
>->snip

Cough, gag !


--
Tim ([e-mail])
Amateur radio: WB8OGM



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==============================================================
[e-mail] (Don Welch)
Θcrivit le - wrote on 14 Nov 1995 17:01:27 -0800:
--------------------------------------------------------------

>[e-mail] (Jim Clarke) writes:

>>I've only been an amateur radio operator for 18 years and I would have to
>(snip)
>>Don't let the bad apples spoil the excitement that can be found in amateur
>>radio, there is something there for everyone (wives/girlfriends too).

>Speaking of HAM radios, could this group help me out?  Every time I go and
>dive with my radio set, the fuse blows.  What's the trick here?

   It could have something to do with your set antenna's SWR. What does
the S-meter says just before the fuse blows?

-----------------Pour la RΘpublique Franτaise du QuΘbec-----------------
In a Republic, society should be  like school, whose prime mission is to
teach citizens how  to  judge for themselves by their own natural light.
In a democracy, it is school that must look like society, and it's prime
mission is solely to produce people adapted to the job market.
                   RΘgis Debray in "Are you a democrat or a republican?"
- Marc Dufour -- [\]ACUC 6 31874 & TDI -- http: will soon be relocated -



From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jens Kurrat)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Who makes VCOs/PLLs for 430 MHz?
Date: 22 Nov 1995 09:36:27 GMT
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Does anybody know which company makes VCOs/PLLs that can
operate at the 70cm band (430 MHz).
I need to build a receiver that mixes the received RF down
to the baseband signal. I don't want to use Mini Circuits'
VCOs which draw too much current and require 12V VB.

THANKS,

Jens




From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:32 1995
Path: news.epix.net!dansi
From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WTB: Cheap packet for 14yr old.
Date: 25 Nov 1995 22:09:18 GMT
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Subject: WTB: Cheap packet for 14yr old.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Summary:
Keywords:

I am looking for a cheap packet tnc that will be compatable with my 286,
yes a 286!  Old, but usable.  So, if anyone would like to donate =)
( I would be -* Most *- greatful even a 1200 would be fine. )  Or would
like to sell one to me for a cheap price, please e-mail me. ( no flames )
My call is N3NMD, just so you know I'm not joking.  I just spent my
savings on a computer, yes this one.  And my parents are not having the
best of times money wise.  P.S. I can repair computers, tv's, clean
VCR's, and misc. for a price reduction.
Looking forward to any replies -( no flames please )-
[e-mail]
N3NMD




From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:33 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!globe.indirect.com!indirect
From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Yellow Sheets?
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 20:48:11 GMT
Organization: Ham Radio & More Show
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Can somebody give me the address, phone number, e'mail, etc. for the Yellow
Sheets Publications regarding ham equipment.
Thanks a lot.
73,
Len, KB7LPW

Len Winkler, KB7LPW                           [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                                   [e-mail]
Phoenix, Az. 85068-9219
Ham Radio & More Show info at:
http://www.barc.org/barc/ham-more.html
The show airs LIVE at 6:00pm ET, 2300utc, Sundays on the Talk
America Radio Network in over 62 cities. Check WWW page for list.
The show also airs on WWCR shortwave, Saturdays at noon ET (1700utc) on 12.160, and Mondays at 1000utc on 7.435.
Also, LIVE on C-band satellite....Spacenet 3, Transponder 9, 6.8 audio.
Support "WOG". Written only General!!!






From Unknown Sun Nov 26 04:55:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Yellow Sheets?
Date: 22 Nov 1995 19:46:52 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
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In article <48te0c$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Len Winkler) writes:
>Can somebody give me the address, phone number, e'mail, etc. for the Yellow
>Sheets Publications regarding ham equipment.
>Thanks a lot.
>73,
>Len, KB7LPW
>
>Len Winkler, KB7LPW                           [e-mail]
>P.O. Box 9219                                   [e-mail]
>Phoenix, Az. 85068-9219
>Ham Radio & More Show info at:
>http://www.barc.org/barc/ham-more.html
>The show airs LIVE at 6:00pm ET, 2300utc, Sundays on the Talk
>America Radio Network in over 62 cities. Check WWW page for list.
>The show also airs on WWCR shortwave, Saturdays at noon ET (1700utc) on 12.160, and Mondays at 1000utc on 7.435.
>Also, LIVE on C-band satellite....Spacenet 3, Transponder 9, 6.8 audio.
>Support "WOG". Written only General!!!
>
>
 Ham Trader Yellow Sheets
 P.O.Box 15142
 Seattle, WA  98115
      $18 per year, $38 for two

KB9KFE


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From: [e-mail] (Tim E.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight.  Yuck
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 10:06:06 GMT
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>->>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Robert Casey)
>->>writes:
>->>>
>->>>First time in a while, I was tuning around the 80 meter band with an
>->>>old general coverage SW receiver, and heard some people arguing and
>->>>insulting and idle threats being tossed about.  Even someone played
>->>>music for a minute or so.  Had to check that I had tuned 3.88 MHz
>->>>instead of 27.something it was so bad.  Some guy who IDed as "N2YEE"
>->>>(who really knows if he was really that license holder) from Edison NJ
>->>>said "a**hole", "crap", and similar things.  Someone else IDed as
>->>>snip

Heck everyone knows that 75m is the "CB" band of ham radio but of
course is second only to 2 meters...

--
Tim ([e-mail])
Amateur radio: WB8OGM



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From: [e-mail] (bill harris)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight.  Yuck
Date: 29 Nov 1995 23:57:35 -0500
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>First time in a while, I was tuning around the 80 meter band with an
>old general coverage SW receiver, and heard some people arguing and
>insulting and idle threats being tossed about.  Even someone played
>music for a minute or so.  Had to check that I had tuned 3.88 MHz
>instead of 27.something it was so bad.

The reason this frequency sounded like CB is because the operators
you heard were CBers. They are CBers who just happen to have an
amateur license, but they are not hams. Hams don't act that way.

Bill - K5MIL


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From: Mike Whatley <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Bur
Date: 26 Nov 1995 14:10:32 GMT
Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736)
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Message-ID: <499sgo$fv0$[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

The numbers speak for themselves----

 Over 50% of all hams hold tickets *below* that of General.  And
according to the W5YI statistical analysis, less than 20% of
No-Coders&Tech lites upgrade to General or above.

The hobby has been dumbed down to it's lowest common denominator.
It's over. The dying old men of the hobby will wither away, No-code
HF will be a reality by 2000 --- and the farce of amateur radio and
it's racist culture will be gone.

Good Riddance.

- mike wa4d

--
Mike Whatley


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From: [e-mail] (KF2TI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Bur
Date: 26 Nov 1995 22:59:46 -0500
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
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In article <499sgo$fv0$[e-mail]>, Mike Whatley
<[e-mail]> writes:

>The numbers speak for themselves----
>
>The hobby has been dumbed down to it's lowest common denominator.

A PERFECT EXAMPLE  LICENSEE WA4D

>It's over. The dying old men of the hobby will wither away,

TAKING YOU WITH IT?????

 and the farce of amateur radio and >it's racist culture will be gone.
>
>Good Riddance.  TO YOU MIKE..MOST OF KNOW OF YOU AND HAVE HEARD YOUR
RACIST B.S. ON 40 METERS.  WHAT'S YOUR STANDINGS WITH THE FCC TODAY..
>
>- mike wa4dAWG
>
>--
>Mike Whatley



MIKE YOUR A CLOWN.  THERE HAVE BEEN AND STILL ARE SOME PERSONS HERE WHO
ARE ANNOYING, BUT THERE PALE IN THE COMPARISION OF YOUR OUT AND OUT HATRED
FOR EVERYTHING WHO ISN'T LIKE YOU.  MAYBE YOUR CALL SHOULD BE W4KKK???


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:18:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Bur
Date: 27 Nov 1995 01:01:15 -0500
Organization: Ideamation, Inc.
Lines: 13
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NNTP-Posting-Host: anomaly

In article <49bd3i$[e-mail]>, KF2TI <[e-mail]> wrote:

>A PERFECT EXAMPLE  LICENSEE WA4D

[Shouting deleted]

Ever hear of a Caps-Lock key?

MD
--
--
-- "Who needs looks when you've got taste?"
--


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:18:34 1995
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From: Gary Watts <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Bur
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:59:52 -0600
Organization: Suba Communications
Lines: 16
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 Mike--

 Tsk-Tsk. Go to hell?? Kinda tacky. And using feces as your analogy?
 Pretty lame.

 Mike Whatley and the other Johnny come lately's aren't really hams.
 Real Hams have Novice class tickets or higher.) But it doesn't really
 matter because it's a dead hobby. No-Code HF tickets will be here
 soon enough.. Isnt that GREAT !!!!!

Gary Watts  de  N0OXV




From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:18:35 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!charles1
From: [e-mail] (charles copeland)
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Bur
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
References: <496632$[e-mail]> <498888$k80$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:04:50 GMT
Lines: 20
Sender: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>,
Gary Watts  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Mike--
>
> Tsk-Tsk. Go to hell?? Kinda tacky. And using feces as your analogy?
> Pretty lame.
>
> Mike Whatley and the other Johnny come lately's aren't really hams.
> Real Hams have Novice class tickets or higher.) But it doesn't really
> matter because it's a dead hobby. No-Code HF tickets will be here
> soon enough.. Isnt that GREAT !!!!!
>Gary Watts  de  N0OXV

Not soon enough. KC5LWF at 10wpm CW and grudgingly reaching towards
13wpm.




From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:18:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Bur
Date: 27 Nov 1995 22:17:50 GMT
Organization: Prodigy Services Company  1-800-PRODIGY
Lines: 30
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[e-mail] (charles copeland) wrote:
>
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Gary Watts  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike--
>>
>> Tsk-Tsk. Go to hell?? Kinda tacky. And using feces as your analogy?
>> Pretty lame.
>>
>> Mike Whatley and the other Johnny come lately's aren't really hams.
>> Real Hams have Novice class tickets or higher.) But it doesn't really

>> matter because it's a dead hobby. No-Code HF tickets will be here
>> soon enough.. Isnt that GREAT !!!!!
>>Gary Watts  de  N0OXV
>
>Not soon enough. KC5LWF at 10wpm CW and grudgingly reaching towards
>13wpm.

Be sure to let the ARRL know how you feel.  If they hear from enough of
us who are in favor of eliminating the Morse requirement, maybe they'll
realize that they DO NOT speak for all amateurs with their tough pro-code
stance.

-Drew in Charlotte-
 KF4DDM



From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:18:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (charles copeland)
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Bur
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
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In article <49ddee$[e-mail]>,
Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (charles copeland) wrote:
>>
>>In article <[e-mail]>,
>>Gary Watts  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike--
>>>
>>> Tsk-Tsk. Go to hell?? Kinda tacky. And using feces as your analogy?
>>> Pretty lame.
>>>
>>> Mike Whatley and the other Johnny come lately's aren't really hams.
>>> Real Hams have Novice class tickets or higher.) But it doesn't really
>
>>> matter because it's a dead hobby. No-Code HF tickets will be here
>>> soon enough.. Isnt that GREAT !!!!!
>>>Gary Watts  de  N0OXV
>>
>>Not soon enough. KC5LWF at 10wpm CW and grudgingly reaching towards
>>13wpm.
>
>Be sure to let the ARRL know how you feel.  If they hear from enough of
>us who are in favor of eliminating the Morse requirement, maybe they'll
>realize that they DO NOT speak for all amateurs with their tough pro-code
>stance.

Don't get me wrong, I do believe there should be effort involved
in getting a liscense. Maybe 5wpm CW, and much more stringent and
educational written tests. The current written tests don't really
teach you much. CW is a dead language, just ask the Navy.



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From: [e-mail] (James A Doty)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Bur
Date: 28 Nov 1995 17:29:49 GMT
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Mike Whatley ([e-mail]) wrote:
> Greg--


>  (Real
> Hams have General class tickets or higher.) But it doesn't really
> --
> Mike Whatley

I think you should reconsider.  Most of my friends who are hams have
Tech Plus tickets, some have No-Code Tech tickets, and a couple have
Advanced tickets.  The only difference I've noticed is how much they
know about all aspects of ham radio.  None of my friends who hold Tech
Plus tickets and lower are any less competent than my friends who are
General class operators and higher.

Stereotyping is so ugly.

James A. Doty
KI7EL



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From: Stephan Rashkin <[e-mail]>
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Waaa!  Waaa! More Affirmative Action Class Radio..

Steve, wa2nhz




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From: [e-mail] (Dave Bushong)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Burt Fisher?!
Date: 27 Nov 1995 02:56:29 GMT
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In article <4931tn$n73$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>I'm always amused at these Johnny come lately's like this punk Drew
>KF4DDM who equate passing a code test with intelligence. We
>certainly don't need anymore losers like this fool KF4DDM in the
>hobby.
>

Oh, kiss my ass.

You guys spend so much time complaining that you are depriving yourselves of
a lot of fun.

Example: I worked the CQWW contest this weekend (CW) and I did not hear any
of the following:

        "Personal here is..."
        "Bring it on back..."
        "What's your 20?"
        "You are a(n) [asshole | idiot | jerk | good buddy] ..."
        "How do I get this walkie talkie to listen to the po-lice..? Over?"
        "The reason we should [whatever] is because the politics is
[whatever]"

Instead, I heard a lot of one, two, and third-world stations, and many of
them with hum on their transmissions (because they probably had to build it
themselves, using gutted TV components, not that anyone there would throw
away an old TV in the first place, which means that they probably had to
find stuff in the junkyard to build their radio), calling CQ.

Not a one of them bitched about how they had to learn CW.  They were too
busy having fun.

You guys spend so much time complaining, you miss out on the fun.



--
Dave Bushong                      [e-mail]
MRS Technologies, Inc.



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From: Gary Watts <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Burt Fisher?!
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:24:51 -0600
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 I'm always amused at these Johnny come lately's like this punk Mike
 WA4D who equate passing a code test with intelligence. We
 certainly don't need anymore losers like this fool WA4D in the
 hobby.

 Gary  de  N0OXV




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Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Burt Fisher?!
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 16:00:45 MST
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Gary,

You forgot the little grins on your sarcastic post.

N0OXV licensed 8-6-91
WA4D  licensed 11-6-81

Who exactly is the Johnnie Come Lately???

Confused in New Mexico


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 Mike Whatley <[e-mail]> writes:
>I'm always amused at these Johnny come lately's like this punk Drew
>KF4DDM who equate passing a code test with intelligence. We
>certainly don't need anymore losers like this fool KF4DDM in the
>hobby.
>
>mike wa4d
>
>--
>Mike Whatley



Hmmmmm.......Sounds like another misconception here. I think Drew was
just being cynical about the perception of those that know the code are
"better behaved" and "higher up" on the ham evolution scale. If Drew
was really equating knowledge of Morse code with intelligence, then why
would he say this after only passing a 5 WPM test himself?!

Mike, it sounds like you are the one with the problem. Insulting people
by saying that General class and lower are not "Real Hams" does not
show me that an Extra class liscense holder is superior. Even a Novice
operator can experience the thrill of real DX and they don't even own
a microphone! They may even get a WAS certificate before an Extra
class, so why are they not "Real Hams"?

Steve, WA3RVT


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From: [e-mail] (bradbury)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 6 meter questions
Date: 26 Nov 1995 23:06:59 GMT
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Has anybody used the new MFJ 6 meter cw/ssb rig? Is the limited coverage
(50.1-50.3) enough? Also, can anyone recommend a good kit for a 6 meter
cww/ssb transceiver?
Tom/NU4G


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From: [e-mail] (Richard Harrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 6m OPEN 11/26 1610Z WI to SC
Date: 28 Nov 1995 10:36:51 GMT
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Rick:

     Tks for opening a 6m chat channle here. QSX 50.62 packet also.

de Richard/NT2Z  FM18cp


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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Stai)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 6m question
Date: 26 Nov 1995 00:22:40 GMT
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In <ve7zvz-2311951143280001@206.12.26.48> [e-mail] (Scott Leaf) writes:

>In article <[e-mail]>,
>[e-mail] (Robert K  Mcclure) wrote:

>->     After having read a lot of the posts about 6m no-code ham (possibility?),
>-> I would like to pose the following question: with a 6m mobile rig and say, a
>-> quarter wave antenna, along with say, 25 watts for grins, what would be the
>-> optimum distance for an FM contact, without skip, and what it would it be
>-> for SSB without skip.

I have a Motorola Mitrek, 85W (close enough for discussion). I can work about
20 miles direct, more or less. About the same for SSB direct. This is on the
flat, with no significant elevation between the stations.

>An optimum contact would be from where you are in Houston to where I am in
>Vancouver, but the problem is very few listen for FM DX, I dont know
>anyone that does.  We sit on 50.125 listening intently for USB.  This last
>summer, stations in our area worked Japan, all over North America, some
>even managed Europe.

Last summer, I worked 6 states on 52.525MHz FM (WY, MO!, OR, NV, NM, UT), so I
think we can establish that folks 'listen' for FM DX on 6m. Frankly, though,
I bet most FM DX contacts are folks who normally listen for local stations
who suddenly find themselves talking several hundred miles! And 3 of those
contacts were mobile on one end (WY & MO were mobile to my base; to OR I was
mobile). I imagine there's more FM mobile than SSB. Also, at least here in
Southern Calif., there are many hilltop 6m remote bases, controlled on 440.
Those machines are likely to pick up more DX (by the way, I have talked to
San Diego on a remote base on Mt Palomar; about 80 miles or so).

I do listen on 52.525, but lately I listen more for 50.125 SSB now that I have
the radio for it. If I hear you on 52.525 though, I'll answer!

>6M isn't just for no codes, its just plain fun for all.

You bet!-) 25W into a good antenna will be plenty fun.

jeff stai, ke6knf
[e-mail]



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From: "H. Mark Nadel" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: <<< Amateur Radio Tower Problems >>>
Date: 27 Nov 1995 03:17:25 GMT
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Pse note the correct address for R.A.D.I.O is listed at the bottom of this
message.



- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

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Levittown, New York, USA
[e-mail]
Amateur Radio Station  NK2T / AFA1FX
                             - - -
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From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:18:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Robert E. Garland)
Subject: Re: Amateur Exam Schedule
Sender: [e-mail] (News Posting Phantom User)
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[e-mail] writes:

>The RF Hill ARC gives amateur radio exams on the third Monday of each month
>(except Feb. Exam given week after President's day).

>Where :  Indian Valley Public Library Community Room

>Time: 6:30 pm

>Bring your CSCE copy for credited elements or copy of your current
>Amateur Radio License along with test fee.

>The Indian Valley Public Library is located on Church Road (Pa Rte 113)
>in Telford, Pa next to Landis Supermarket.

Church Road a.k.a. Church Ave. is NOT PA 113.  It is the extension of
(ends at jct with PA 309) PA 152.  If you follow PA 152 north, it ends at
PA 309 and the library is a mile or two further along the way.

Those of you who are using a map to locate things may need to know that
the Indian Valley Public Library is in the old Telford Elementary School,
near the intersection of Church and Main (a.k.a. county line road) in
Telford.

And a big thanks to Dick for posting this.  Ya'all come take your exam,
now, heah!

>                        73's Dick K8WHA

>


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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Amateur Exam Schedule
Date: 28 Nov 1995 22:00:52 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Robert E. Garland <[e-mail]> wrote:
> [e-mail] writes:
>
>> The RF Hill ARC gives amateur radio exams on the third
>> Monday of each month(except Feb. Exam given week after
>> President's day).
>
>> Where :  Indian Valley Public Library Community Room

[ edited ------------------]

>> The Indian Valley Public Library is located on Church Road
>> (Pa Rte 113) in Telford, Pa next to Landis Supermarket.

> Church Road a.k.a. Church Ave. is NOT PA 113.  It is the
> extension of (ends at jct with PA 309) PA 152.  If you follow
> PA 152 north, it ends at PA 309 and the library is a mile or
> two further along the way.

> Those of you who are using a map to locate things may need to
> know that the Indian Valley Public Library is in the old Telford
> Elementary School, near the intersection of Church and Main
> (a.k.a. county line road) in  Telford.

[ edited ------------------]

I usually go to Pasadena or Burbank.  It's a much shorter
drive from Northeast Los Angeles (unless you know a REALLY GOOD
short cut).  ;-)

73, John KE6DTC
--
___________________________________________________________________________
John A Minger    KE6DTC          Opinions expressed are those of the author
Los Angeles, CA                  and not those of anyone or anything else.


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From: [e-mail] (John Rouse sr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Another type of response that I get.
Date: 26 Nov 1995 16:25:08 GMT
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What kind of morons would continue to repost this sort of crap here? Boy,
between WA4D and that idiot in 1-Land, this newsgroup suffers mightily
with fools....



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From: Mike Whatley <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Another type of response that I get.
Date: 26 Nov 1995 19:08:52 GMT
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John-John

Must we only have posts that are in agreement with *your* world
view?  Ham radio is full of intolerant bigots --- don't add to it.

-mike

--
Mike Whatley


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From: [e-mail] (Peter F. Ferris)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: AOR AR-2500 Power and Software Query
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Greetings,

I have an AOR AR-2500.  It's about 3 years old or so.  It has developed a
problem which will only get worse.  I'm running it off of a Hewlett-Packard
power supply (quite accurate and stable - 6236B Triple Output for the hardware
nuts in the audience!).

Problem is, lately, the 2500 has to be run not on 13.8 or 12VDC or anything
close to that, but it won't come alive until I lower the juice to 11 V, then
10.5, then 10, now I'm down to 8 which seems to be NEAR the minimal border of
coming up in the first place. Now, anything over 8 - 8.5VDC causes the unit to
either "pop" the speaker and not scan or just kill the scanner (as if turned
off).  Obviously a power / reg type prob.  It won't run mobile AT ALL!

I have excellent soldering skills, etc; but it's been a LONG time since I had
to troubleshoot to component level.  Any clues?  Is this a common prob for
this model?

All help, hints and kinks appreciated.  Please e-mail "[e-mail]".
I sub to this group but only read it about every 2 weeks or so!

Also: Anyone know of any Mac software that works with this beast?  I'm
pondering doing my own, but would rather see what's already available.

Thanks,


--Pete



Peter F. Ferris
[e-mail]

Win95 = Mac89



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From: [e-mail] (Mike Tracy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL Countries List
Date: 27 Nov 1995 10:14:53 -0500
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Dave Ennes ([e-mail]) wrote:
: What is the phone number for the AARL BB?

Dave,
      The phone number is 860-594-0306, but the BBS files also appear on our
FTP site if you wish to retrieve them that way.

Best Regards, Michael Tracy, KC1SX, ARRL Technical Information Services
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
American Radio Relay League, Inc.     Tel: [phone]
225 Main Street                       Fax: [phone]
Newington, CT 06111                   Email: [e-mail]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------



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From: [e-mail] (John Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Autopatch Access?
Date: 29 Nov 1995 21:09:47 GMT
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  IMHO there is probably very few "open patches" around the country.

To be truly open the patch would respond with any good phone number or 911
 with out any access code.

  There are many errors in the repeater book. For two or more years the two local
repeaters here showed "OPEN PATCH" in book when we had no intention of having same.

  We do have open repeaters but not open patches. We do encourage our members to
 bring up the patch for visitors.
  Many newer hams confuse "open repeater" with "open patch".

 Like I said many errors happen between here and the time it finally gets to the
printer, when they print the Directory.

John, N0KIC, Membership director Pikes Peak FM Assn







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From: [e-mail] (Walt Davidson)
Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Bahamas DX-pedition
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From  2 to 10 December,  Meg (N2NQI), Dave (WG3I), Walt (G3NYY) and
Tim (G4VXE) will once again be portable /C6A from  New Providence Island
(NA-001) in the Bahamas, with activity on all bands - mainly on CW and
some RTTY.

In response to requests, we intend to concentrate on the WARC bands
this year as many people have said they still need C6A on these bands.
However there will be plenty of activity on other bands too!

QSL for  WG3I/C6A via G3AUA, via home calls for the others (direct or
via bureau).

Further details can be found on the Squarebashers' Expedition Group
WWW page,  http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/timkirby

73 de G3NYY

--
Walt Davidson               E-mail: [e-mail]
                                    [e-mail]



From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:18:56 1995
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Subject: Bomb threat
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Subject: Bomb threat

>>I received the following bomb threat:

Burt - you are solely responsible for educating scores of
telecomputerists. . .they have discovered their "TWIT" mechanisms in
their offline mail readers, and have acted appropriately.

You're the best thing that's happened for the Registration of Shareware
Offline Mail Readers in quite a while.

[e-mail]
---
 * TLX v4.00 * The worst thing about censorship is ########
 ■ wcECHO 4.1 ≈ AR-Net: ATTENTION to Details ■ Mira Loma, CA ■ 909-681-6221


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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Bondwell B310V Laptop - need manual
Date: 26 Nov 95 14:49:26 GMT
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I recently bought a neat 286 laptop to use for amateur radio. It is the
Bondwell B310V.  Does anyone have the manual to this?  I would gladly pay
your copy and mailing costs for a copy.  Please respond by E-mail.
address:  [e-mail]

Thanks....Ken..KB1AWV


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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Burt will speak at your club
Date: 28 Nov 1995 00:52:29 GMT
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I offer my services to your club as a speaker who will wake the dead and
contesters. What I require is:

1. All expenses paid.
2. A token gift.
3. Bullet proof vest.

My topics will be any you choose related to the makeup of the ham psyche.



#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
|                            [e-mail]                          |
#======================================================================#




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From: [e-mail] (Dan Brown)
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Subject: Re: Burt will speak at your club
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Ed Hare <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>1. All expenses paid.
>>2. A token gift.
>>3. Bullet proof vest.

>Will you settle for two out of three? :-)

        Hey, let him have the bullet-proof vest.  It won't help with a head
shot anyway...

--
Dan Brown, KE6MKS
[e-mail], NOT [e-mail]
Don't tread on me.
E-Mail published at my discretion.



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From: [e-mail] (KF2TI)
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Subject: Re: Burt will speak at your club
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In article Burt writes:

>>1. All expenses paid.
>>2. A token gift.

If he travels to NYC (I said IF!!!) you could give him a subway token
valued at a buck fifty...then you kill two birds with one stone...

a gift token  get it ha ha ha he he  hi hi hi

i'm just too funny...


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Does anyone have any good ideas about getting cables from the
inside to the outside?  I would like to hear from anyone that
has methods of doing this WITHOUT major/visible holes in the
wall or floor.  I have access to a window if that helps.

ANY AND ALL IDEAS WELCOME!

73, de KB4LFH
Michael Crowder
[e-mail]



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From: Jim Cummings <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can I use my radio in Canada?
Date: 27 Nov 1995 18:47:43 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jerry Flanders) wrote:
>Dave Crosby VE3VSM <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>[e-mail] (Abraham Stavsky) wrote:
>
>>>I plan to visit the Toronto area for a few days
>>>in January.  Can I use my 2-meter HT without the
>>>need for a supplemental license?
>
>>Yes you can.  Canada and the USA have a standing reciprocal operating agreement.
>>Bring a copy of your FCC license and everything should be OK.
>
>Does one notify the Canadian radio authorities? Does one get a temp V?
>call? Does one use his/her USA call? How does this all work? We plan
>to tour western Canada and Alaska next summer with 2m FM in car. I
>hadn't planned to use it in Canada, but maybe I can do so without any
>hassle??
>
>W4UKU Jerry F.
>

You will not have any problems operating in Canada.  Just keep your FCC licence with
you.

With respect to identifying, while in Canada, you identify with your FCC-issued
callsign, followed by "portable" and the appropriate prefix for the Canadian
callsign district, i.e. if you were in British Columbia, you would identify as W4UKU
portable VE7.

If you wish, write to Industry Canada and get a copy of Radiocommunication
Information Circular 25 (RIC 25) which contains all the rules and regulations for
operating amateur radio in Canada.  I can assure you that they are not as volumnous
as the U.S. version.

Have fun while you are up here in Canada.

73 and live better digitally
Jim, VE3XJ





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From: Jim Cummings <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Can I use my radio in Canada?
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Dave Crosby VE3VSM <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Abraham Stavsky) wrote:
>
>>I plan to visit the Toronto area for a few days
>>in January.  Can I use my 2-meter HT without the
>>need for a supplemental license?
>
>Yes you can.  Canada and the USA have a standing reciprocal operating agreement.
>Bring a copy of your FCC license and everything should be OK.
>

I can't resist...  If the agreement was sitting, would there be any difference?


>73 de Dave
>[e-mail]
>VE3VSM @ VA3VSM.#CON.ON.CAN.NA
>

73 and live better digitally
Jim, VE3XJ





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From: [e-mail] (Rich Wales)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can I use my radio in Canada?
Date: 28 Nov 1995 19:56:32 -0500
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[e-mail] (Jerry Flanders) wrote:

        Does one notify the Canadian radio authorities? Does
        one get a temp V? call? Does one use his/her USA call?

You don't have to notify Canadian radio authorities.  You don't get a
temporary VE call.  You just use your US call, followed by "mobile" or
"portable" (or a slash if using CW) and the Canadian prefix correspond-
ing to the province or territory where you happen to be at the time.

Technically, you can do this only if your are a US citizen =and= a US
resident.  However, when I immigrated to Canada from the US in late
1992, the Canadian radio authorities told me it was OK for me to use
my US ham license until I got a Canadian license (even though I was
no longer a US resident) -- so for the first few months I was here, I
signed as WA6SGA/VE3.

        We plan to tour western Canada and Alaska next summer
        with 2m FM in car. I hadn't planned to use it in Canada,
        but maybe I can do so without any hassle??

No problem.  Just make sure you bring your US ham license with you (a
photocopy will suffice, I believe).  The relevant Canadian call sign
prefixes for your trip, BTW, would be VE7 for British Columbia, VE6
for Alberta, and VY1 for the Yukon Territory.

Rich Wales <[e-mail]>
Kitchener, Ontario, Canada (originally from California, USA)
http://home.opentext.com/~richw/             VE3HKZ / WA6SGA


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From: [e-mail] (Eugene Kang)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can I use my radio in Canada?
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In article <49fnis$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>Dave Crosby VE3VSM <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>[e-mail] (Abraham Stavsky) wrote:
>>
>>>I plan to visit the Toronto area for a few days
>>>in January.  Can I use my 2-meter HT without the
>>>need for a supplemental license?
>>
>>Yes you can.  Canada and the USA have a standing reciprocal operating> agreement.
>>Bring a copy of your FCC license and everything should be OK.
>>
>
>I can't resist...  If the agreement was sitting, would there be any difference?>

Yep. The agreement wouldn't be standing. :)



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From: [e-mail] ()
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Subject: Re: Can I use my radio in Canada?
Date: 29 Nov 1995 20:32:38 GMT
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Eugene Kang ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >
: >I can't resist...  If the agreement was sitting, would there be any difference?>

: Yep. The agreement wouldn't be standing. :)
From a digital POV, there would be no difference. If the agreement was
lying down, I supose one could argue that it a) dead, b) resting or c)
comotose, but would it be in effect? Or just ineffective?


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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Flanders)
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Organization: SunBelt.Net INTERNET Access

Dave Crosby VE3VSM <[e-mail]> wrote:

>[e-mail] (Abraham Stavsky) wrote:

>>I plan to visit the Toronto area for a few days
>>in January.  Can I use my 2-meter HT without the
>>need for a supplemental license?

>Yes you can.  Canada and the USA have a standing reciprocal operating
agreement.  >Bring a copy of your FCC license and everything should be OK.

Does one notify the Canadian radio authorities? Does one get a temp V?
call? Does one use his/her USA call? How does this all work? We plan
to tour western Canada and Alaska next summer with 2m FM in car. I
hadn't planned to use it in Canada, but maybe I can do so without any
hassle??

W4UKU Jerry F.


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From: [e-mail] (big kid)
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Subject: Contesting
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 22:35:02 -0600
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I just finished the DX CW contest this weekend.  I worked it with 100 watts
and a multi band dipole and had a ball.  Is this the right place to start a
thread on contsting, or is there a more appropriate news group for that?


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From: [e-mail] (Are Barstad)
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Subject: Re: Contesting
Date: 28 Nov 1995 03:10:31 GMT
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Burt Fisher wrote:

>What excitement, a talk about contesting.

Thanks for finally supporting something amateur-radio related Burt!
And I who for the longest time thought you were nothing but a waste of skin. I
guess you proved me wrong.

73 and happy contesting!
VA3ARE - Are Barstad


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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (big kid) wrote:
>I just finished the DX CW contest this weekend.  I worked it with 100 watts
>and a multi band dipole and had a ball.  Is this the right place to start a
>thread on contsting, or is there a more appropriate news group for that?

Any place is a good place for a contest,  I can't think of anything for fun
than the the sport of Ham Radio Contesting.  We are the marathoners of Radio!!

Chris  KB3A
[e-mail]


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Subject: Re: Contesting
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chris [e-mail] (Chris Robson) wrote:
>
>Any place is a good place for a contest,  I can't think of anything for fun
>than the the sport of Ham Radio Contesting.  We are the marathoners of Radio!!

Ham radio and sports do not in any way go together.
Ham radio and boring or sit on ass, now they go together.
You think contesting is fun.
You must be the life of the party.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
|                            [e-mail]                          |
#======================================================================#




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From: [e-mail] (KG7FU)
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Subject: Re: Contesting
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:47:44 GMT
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>[e-mail] (big kid) wrote:
>>I just finished the DX CW contest this weekend.  I worked it with 100 watts
>>and a multi band dipole and had a ball.  Is this the right place to start a
>>thread on contsting, or is there a more appropriate news group for that?

>What excitement, a talk about contesting.
>This is the right place, few here have no life thus mindless contesting
>is made to go here.
>

>#================#=====================================================#
>|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
>| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
>|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
>#================#=====================================================#
>|                            [e-mail]                          |
>#======================================================================#

What's the matter Burton? Can't you work 100 countries from MA? Or is
it that the DX doesn't want to talk to YOU? You must be one of K1MAN's
little buddies, soured on everything and everyone from some minor
childhood trauma. Mother doesn't breast feed you anymore? Got a good
case of Occularectalitis, seems to me. If they've run you off the 2m
repeaters, packet and the 75m foul mouth nets, why don't you try
building some microwave or TV gear? You claim to be a teacher. Can you
teach anything other than H & D? Better yet, why don't you sell your
Extra Class License to some new no-code Tech who could benefit from
what you find so contemptuous?


"YOU kill what YOU fear and YOU fear what YOU don't understand"

[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Contesting
Date: 29 Nov 1995 20:28:20 GMT
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Hans Brakob ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Burt said: "Ham radio and sports do not in any way go together"

: In many countries the term "RadioSport" is used to describe radio
: contesting, and it has official standing in amateur sports. "Fox
: hunts" are particularly popular. During the recent "Friendship Games"
: event, teams of top radio contesters, along with other sportsmen and
: sportswomen from around the world were gathered in the Seattle area
: to compete in international grade competition. A  similar event is
: planned for next year.

I quite agree with your statement. However, it is unlikely a logical,
balanced statement (on any topic) would meet with much approval from
Burt. Why does he remain a ham if he is against so much of this hobby?

VE6BEQ


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From: [e-mail] (Are Barstad)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Contesting
Date: 30 Nov 1995 00:57:44 GMT
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In article <49gd8d$[e-mail]>,
   Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Ham radio and boring or sit on ***, now they go together.
>You think contesting is fun.
>You must be the life of the party.

What do YOU think is fun and exiting Burt. Why don't you share your secret to
happiness and success with us so we can be better people... yeah, just like
you!

Don't let me down. I'm eager to find out what's boring and what's exiting. I'm
sure you don't mind sharing it with me - being a teacher and all. I'll bet
you're a good one too!

See, I'm an active and enthusiastic Contester, DX'er, rag-chewer, tower
climber, fisher man, hunter and much more. I enjoy it too, or I wouldn't
be doing it. Please let me know which of these 'topics' are boring and which
are exiting so I can change my life style and be just like you. Add or
subtract a few items as you go too if you like.

P.S
I'm a CW and radio theory instructor as well. Is that better or worse than
"Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics"? Show me the way! Show me the
policy of life! I need to know. I can't think for myself. I'm open for all
suggestions. I don't wish to change my name to Burt Fisher though, but only if
that's ok by you.

73, (oopps!, can I use 73 here or is that boring? Let me know!)
Thanks in advance
VA3ARE - Are Barstad

"Never complain unless you can offer a solution!"


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From: [e-mail] (S. Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Military Training
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 21:04:13
Organization: (ICON) InterConnect Online, Inc.
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>I was one of the real motivated ones, so I got to go to Fort Gordon, where
>>before I even saw a rtty shack, I was copying more code on a 'mill'.  After
>>succeeding at that, and the rest of 05C school, what did I get?
>>
>>A PRC25, and later a PRC77 radio on my back, an M14 rifle and a chance to
>>talk long walks in the hot sun, accompanied by some of the finest men
>>America was willing to sacrifice, in a place called the Iron Triangle.

>Well, look at it this way, Bob, at least they let you carry a real
>rifle instead of the Mattel toy. So maybe radio school was worth
>something after all. Or maybe they figured that if you were dumb
>enough to carry that heavy pig of a radio they could saddle you with
>a heavy rifle too. Take your pick.

I had an Air Force room mate at Kingsley Field who came back from a one
year all expense tour to Asia.  He was a "switchboard operator."  Yea, they
plugged and routed calls.  When he got to Saigon they assigned him to an
Army unit as a radioman.  I asked him what kind of training he got, and he
just looked at me funny.  I guess you just squeeze the pickle and talk :-)

I have a good friend who joined the Navy so he wouldn't get drafted into
the Army.  He figured he'd get a big ship and spend his 4 years at sea.  You
guessed it, he was assigned to the Mekong Delta as a UH-1 door gunner.
He was lucky. He lasted 6 months before getting hit in the butt.  It was a
lot of hospitals and therapy, but he did get back the use of his legs.

But it is ironic how you plan real hard to avoid something, only to get
that something anyway, but even worse!

---
Not that this has anything to do with CW...



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From: Mike Lawrence <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Cw tutor
Date: 27 Nov 1995 21:34:41 GMT
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Anyone know of a good shareware code tutor for the computer and where I could find
it?

Thanks

Scott
KC8BGB

please email to [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Bob Raymond)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: DXtreme Amateur Radio Station Log System V2.0
Date: 28 Nov 1995 23:35:49 GMT
Organization: DXtreme Software
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DXtreme Amateur Radio Station Log System(TM) Version 2.0

Designed for HF DXers, this affordable logging program lets you maintain
a database of your contacts and track the DXCC performance of your station.
DXtreme(TM) features attractive, easy-to-use screens, and a full range of
inquiries and reports.

PC/AT-compatibles, MS-DOS 5.0+.  Only $29.95 plus $3.00 shipping in NA.
Write for data sheet:

DXtreme Software
26 Langholm Drive, Nashua, NH 03062
Internet: [e-mail]

Thanks and 73,

Bob Raymond, NE1I


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From: [e-mail] ()
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: exploding battery
Date: 26 Nov 1995 10:34:54 GMT
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How are *we* supposed to know who manufactured *your* car battery?


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From: [e-mail] (Edward Lopez )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: exploding battery
Date: 25 Nov 1995 20:56:57 GMT
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I am interested in information about what might cause a 12 volt
lead-acid car/truck battery to explode.  The battery is labeled as a
"Power Trust 60" and was the old design where the user should add
water.  The battery exploded when the truck engine was off, and it was
not being jumped.  The truck was parked, and the occupant would turn
the engine on about once every twenty minutes or so to warm up the
passenger compartment.  The battery exploded several seconds after the
hood was raised.  Who manufactured the battery and why did it explode?


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:20 1995
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From: "Charles Jack Hawley Jr." <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: exploding battery
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 08:53:25 -0800
Organization: University of Illinois, Urbana
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To: Edward Lopez <[e-mail]>

Edward Lopez wrote:
>
> I am interested in information about what might cause a 12 volt
> lead-acid car/truck battery to explode.  The battery is labeled as a
> "Power Trust 60" and was the old design where the user should add
> water.  The battery exploded when the truck engine was off, and it was
> not being jumped.  The truck was parked, and the occupant would turn
> the engine on about once every twenty minutes or so to warm up the
> passenger compartment.  The battery exploded several seconds after the
> hood was raised.  Who manufactured the battery and why did it explode?

Most likly the battery developed an open circuit inside. When it was jostled
by the opening of the hood, the circuit was made causing a spark inside the
battery ignition the explosive combination of the oxygen and hydrogen gasses
inside the top of the battery. This is a very dangerous situation and has
resulted in many injuries to persons leaning over the battery while jiggling
the posts of a non-functioning battery. ALWAYS throw an old rug or blanket
over a battery before disturbing it when the senario unfolds where a battery
goes from functioning to total failure.
I have a friend W9NHM, Howard in Park Forest, Illinois who is an expert
(retired electro chemist) on this subject. I think that he would be one to
talk to. He is usually on 3.875 MHz in the afternoon if you are within 2 - 4
hundred miles.
--


Charles Jack Hawley Jr.
Amateur Radio KE9UW (A.K.A. 'Chuck' in Ham Radio)
BMW K100RS, BMWMOA #224 (A.K.A. 'Jack' in Motorcycles)
[e-mail]
Sr. Research Engineer Emeritus
Univ of Ill, Urbana-Champaign


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Newberry)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: exploding battery
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 11:00:59 GMT
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[e-mail] (Edward Lopez ) wrote:


>I am interested in information about what might cause a 12 volt
>lead-acid car/truck battery to explode.  The battery is labeled as a
>"Power Trust 60" and was the old design where the user should add
>water.  The battery exploded when the truck engine was off, and it was
>not being jumped.  The truck was parked, and the occupant would turn
>the engine on about once every twenty minutes or so to warm up the
>passenger compartment.  The battery exploded several seconds after the
>hood was raised.  Who manufactured the battery and why did it explode?

More than likely it was hydrogen escaping from the battery that
ignited and caused the battery to explode, did anyone do something
real obvious like strike a match or lighter for a peek under the hood
???


--
[e-mail] <Gary>



From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (N2WKS)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Extra is easier than Advanced
Date: 27 Nov 1995 07:42:45 -0500
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
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That's only true if you can handle the 20wpm cw

Zev N2WKS

Still and Advanced


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Flanders)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Extra is easier than Advanced
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 21:55:48 GMT
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[e-mail] (N2WKS) wrote:

>That's only true if you can handle the 20wpm cw

I have seen several postings here in which people seem to agree that
the Extra exam is easier than the Advanced exam. Nobody seems to
realize that the Advanced is a pre-requisite for the Extra!. I mean,
whether you realize it, or not, To go from (for example) General to
Extra you take BOTH the Advanced test as well as the Extra test,
whereas to go from General to Advanced you take only the Advanced
exam.

Jerry F. W4UKU




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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Burke)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Extra is easier than Advanced
Date: 29 Nov 1995 13:15:58 GMT
Organization: Motorola Inc
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In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (Jerry Flanders) writes:
}[e-mail] (N2WKS) wrote:
}
}>That's only true if you can handle the 20wpm cw
}
}I have seen several postings here in which people seem to agree that
}the Extra exam is easier than the Advanced exam. Nobody seems to
}realize that the Advanced is a pre-requisite for the Extra!. I mean,
}whether you realize it, or not, To go from (for example) General to
}Extra you take BOTH the Advanced test as well as the Extra test,
}whereas to go from General to Advanced you take only the Advanced
}exam.
}
}Jerry F. W4UKU
}
}
You can add me to that list. I found the General was the hardest of
all the tests, getting progressively easier on the way up.
Each had they're gotchas though.

73,
Bruce, WB4YUC, el YUCCO. . .






From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (GEORGE R. COONEY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FasTalk 1200E modem
Date: 28 Nov 1995 21:29:28 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University
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Would someone please tell me what the power requirement for this
modem is? Also the polarity of the center conductor of the power
connector. It is made by Universal Data Systems. Thanks
--
Growing old isn't for Sissies.


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From: [e-mail] (Karl Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FasTalk 1200E modem
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:36:52 -0500
Organization: Mot RNSG - Private Data
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In article <49fuvo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (GEORGE R.
COONEY) wrote:

> Would someone please tell me what the power requirement for this
> modem is? Also the polarity of the center conductor of the power
> connector. It is made by Universal Data Systems. Thanks
> --
> Growing old isn't for Sissies.

I just checked a FasTalk 1200 on an old Mac Plus around the corner.  The
factory supplied "wall wart" is rated 9 VAC at 600 ma.  Polarity is not an
issue.  Hope this helps you out.

--
Karl Beckman, P.E.                <      If our English language is so   >
Motorola Pvt Data Systems         <   precise, why do you drive on the   >
Schaumburg, IL  /  Parma, OH      <   parkway and park on the driveway?  >
[phone] / [phone]
**  Schaumburg area code changes from 708 to 847 on January 20, 1996!   **
**  Opinions expressed here do not represent the views of Motorola Inc. **
--
By sending unsolicited commercially-oriented e-mail to this address, the
sender agrees to pay a $100 fee to the recipient for proofreading services.
--
Amateur radio WA8NVW                        NavyMARS NNN0VBH @ NOGBN.NOASI


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:26 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Lewicki)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC has gone home
Date: 26 Nov 1995 04:36:32 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona SEDS
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Mike Whatley ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Who gives a shit if the FCC is closed. There are many policy makers
: that believe the Commission should be eliminated.

: The majority of tickets being issued are to new licensee's below
: General Class. In other words, they ain't even hams.

And again, a big "fuck you" to Mr. Whately.  Please see my previous (less
direct) post 'Re: FCC Shutdown'

-Chris


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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC has gone home
Date: 26 Nov 1995 12:08:38 -0500
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In article <498qsg$[e-mail]>,
        Chris Lewicki <[e-mail]> wrote:

>: The majority of tickets being issued are to new licensee's below
>: General Class. In other words, they ain't even hams.
>
>And again, a big "fuck you" to Mr. Whately.  Please see my previous (less
>direct) post 'Re: FCC Shutdown'

Well, you've impressed me. You're a real ham. An asset to the hobby,
no doubt from your excellent command of the English language.

MD
--
--
-- "Who needs looks when you've got taste?"
--


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Lewicki)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC shutdown
Date: 26 Nov 1995 04:34:37 GMT
Organization: The University of Arizona
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Mike Whatley ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I hope you don't get your ticket for a *long* time. You are not a
: ham until you get the General Class ticket. Tech-lite and the
: No-code tickets are for wanna-be's.

: Upgrade to the real thing or get out of the hobby. We don't need
: anymore pseudo-hams.

: Mike Whatley

Wow!
        What a pompous ass!  I just got my tech license (and I too am
waiting for my license) and I take extreme offense at this comment.
While studying for my tech license exam, I took note of the following
from the FCC rules for the amateur service (Section 97.1)

(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to
    the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service,
    particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.

I think that even a lowly novice or tech could contribute to this purpose.

I do plan on taking my general class exam in January, however, I believe
that the novice and tech licenses are an important stepping stone.
Without practice, one can never get good at anything, and this applies to
ham radio as well.

Mr. Whately's concept of amateur radio is somewhat warped from the
popular (and legal) view, and I'm disturbed by this.  If he doesn't learn
to become a little more supportive of his fellow hams, I hope he would
take his own advice and "get out of the hobby."

-Chris


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From: Mike Whatley <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC shutdown
Date: 26 Nov 1995 14:13:46 GMT
Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736)
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Greg--

what your old roommate and his girlfriend (she was probably lousy in
bed) have to do with Ham radio is irrelevant.

Upgrade or get out of the hobby. With Your inferior ticket you
couldn't even talk with me on the air.

Upgrade ---- then we'll chat.

-mike

--
Mike Whatley


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC shutdown
Date: 25 Nov 1995 19:28:01 -0600
Organization: University of Texas - Houston, General Administration
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In article <4988iv$k80$[e-mail]>,
Mike Whatley  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I hope you don't get your ticket for a *long* time. You are not a
>ham until you get the General Class ticket. Tech-lite and the
>No-code tickets are for wanna-be's.

>Upgrade to the real thing or get out of the hobby. We don't need
>anymore pseudo-hams.

I'm a long-time opponent of the no-code license. I've been a ham since I was
10 years old, and have held an Extra, and this callsign, since I was 16. I
truly believe that any sufficiently motivated person can learn the code, and
the problemis one of sales, not one of the code test being inappropriate or
outdated.

All that said, I think Mike is completely out of line. We're not going to
get anywhere enticing people into the hobby if they're just going to get
slammed for taking what the FCC has set forth as a legitimate route to
becoming a ham.

Matt, welcome aboard.

Mike, go away until you can learn how to treat people nicely.
--
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
http://k5zc.hsc.uth.tmc.edu       | adequately be explained by stupidity.
"Next time, Pinkus, let sleeping guard dogs lie...especially when they
        have three heads!" -- The Brain, _Hercules Unwound_


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC shutdown
Date: 26 Nov 1995 14:01:12 -0500
Organization: Ideamation, Inc.
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NNTP-Posting-Host: anomaly

In article <49a0uq$[e-mail]>,
        Nathan Ryan Gingras <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I recieved this letter from Mike Whatley:

Regardless of the content of the letter, its a real breach of
nettiquette to post someone's private e-mail without their permission.

If you have no courtesy on the 'net, shouldn't we expect similar
behaviour from you on the amateur bands? Something about a
leopard not being able to change its spots...


>Feel free to put in your $.02

I happen to agree with 95% of what he says. People call the 80's the
"Decade of Decadance". I call the 90's the "Decade of Do-Nothing".
Because, that's exactly what people want to do -- nothing -- yet
they want all the benefits that someone who HAS done what was
required.

Its the welfare-state mentality of this country, permeating
itself into amateur radio. No longer is the handout simply a
check or food-stamps from the government, today people want
amateur radio license handouts. We call those handouts "No Code
Tech licenses".

MD
--
--
-- "Who needs looks when you've got taste?"
--


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC shutdown
Date: 26 Nov 1995 16:20:51 GMT
Organization: SunSoft South, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <499smq$fv0$[e-mail]>,
Mike Whatley  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Greg--
>
>what your old roommate and his girlfriend (she was probably lousy in
>bed) have to do with Ham radio is irrelevant.
>
>Upgrade or get out of the hobby. With Your inferior ticket you
>couldn't even talk with me on the air.
>
>Upgrade ---- then we'll chat.
>
>-mike

I've seen better attempts at flame-bait by 5 year old kids.

Normally, when someone does a pathetically poor job at something,
I encourage them to learn some more and try again; but, in this
case, I'll make an exception.  If all you want to do is flame
people, try alt.flame.

--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are      *
 * [phone]               | mine and do not necessarily   *
 * [e-mail]      | reflect those of my employer  *


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (KF2TI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC shutdown
Date: 26 Nov 1995 23:46:33 -0500
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In article <49a0uq$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Nathan Ryan
Gingras) writes:

>Get off line--- start studying--- or hit the road. You ain't bringing
>anything
>to the party.--
>
>-mike
>
>

pay no attention to mike, Nathan, he has never and will never bring
anything to the party, unless of course he puts on his pointy white hat
and dirty white bed sheets


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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC shutdown
Date: 27 Nov 1995 00:59:55 -0500
Organization: Ideamation, Inc.
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In article <49b50b$[e-mail]>,
        Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:

>And soon to be "no-code HF licenses"
>
>Like it or not, it's only a matter of time.  Deal with it!!

Keep dreaming. Luckily the FCC doesn't agree with you. Deal with it!

MD
--
--
-- "Who needs looks when you've got taste?"
--


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Stan lui)
Subject: Re: FCC shutdown
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Sender: [e-mail]

Nathan Ryan Gingras ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I recieved this letter from Mike Whatley:


: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

:
: Nathan-

: <Think about the message you are giving people before you open your
: arrogant blowhole. You are entitled  to your opinions as LONG as they do
: not infringe on others rights, which yours clearly have the intent on doing.>

0: upgrade,
: and get me a real ticket." But the statistics don't support that.

: According to the W5YI statistical analysis over 80% of all
: No-coders/Tech-Lites
:  *never* upgrade to General or above.

: Get off line--- start studying--- or hit the road. You ain't bringing
: anything
: to the party.--


What about the 20 percent who did UPGRADE to a higher class license? is
this not a start ??  And for the 80 percent who dont upgrade ; perhaps
they ran into people like WA4D comments ?? How many times I have heard a
KD6 call on HF and someone comes and say.. " You cant be a a Coded
Tech.. You must be one of those NO CODe Techs !

Unfortunately this is not necessarrily so. ...   As one mentioned : You
got to start somewhere.


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:36 1995
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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC shutdown
Date: 28 Nov 1995 00:58:15 GMT
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In <49a453$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dana Myers) writes:
>I've seen better attempts at flame-bait by 5 year old kids.

things must really be slow over on compuserve's hamnet...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC shutdown
Date: 27 Nov 1995 19:35:46 GMT
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In article <49b50b$[e-mail]>,
Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:

>And soon to be "no-code HF licenses"
>
>Like it or not, it's only a matter of time.  Deal with it!!
>
>-Drew in Charlotte-
> KF4DDM

Nothing more than an assumption. It may come true...it may not. Drew can
cite NO evidence to support his 'opinion'.



--
  +=================================+===================================+
  |Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT |[e-mail] |
  |Electronic/Computer Tech. @ OSU  |radio: n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam|
  +=================================+===================================+


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC shutdown
Date: 27 Nov 1995 21:24:22 -0500
Organization: Ideamation, Inc.
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NNTP-Posting-Host: anomaly

In article <49degs$[e-mail]>,
        Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:

>The FCC could care less!

The FCC has dismissed every petition sent to it since the advent
of the codeless license with a summary "The amateur population wants
a code test, so we're keeping a code test" judgement.


>the no-code HF license in Japan.

Which we already have the equivalent of: the CB radio service


>I forsee a drop to 5WPM for all license classes initially (which would
>satisfy the ITU), and then abandonment of the Morse requirement all
>together.

I'd say you have a better chance of having sex with Cindy Crawford.

MD
--
--
-- "Who needs looks when you've got taste?"
--


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:39 1995
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From: Dave Johnson <djohnson@flesh>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Shutdown
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:35:29 -0700
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        "World Peace Through Ham Radio"

Dave Johnson


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:40 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC shutdown
Date: 28 Nov 1995 15:58:03 GMT
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In article <49drsm$[e-mail]>,
Michael P. Deignan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <49degs$[e-mail]>,
>       Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>the no-code HF license in Japan.
>Which we already have the equivalent of: the CB radio service

Hardly. The Japanese still have a licensure and identification requirement.
CB does not.

>MD

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman   Entropy just isn't what it used to be      [phone]
[e-mail]   [e-mail]  KE3ML  (HEPNET) NEVIS::jbaltz


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From: [e-mail] (James A Doty)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC shutdown
Date: 28 Nov 1995 17:35:13 GMT
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Mike Whatley ([e-mail]) wrote:

> Matt

> I hope you don't get your ticket for a *long* time. You are not a
> ham until you get the General Class ticket. Tech-lite and the
> No-code tickets are for wanna-be's.

> Upgrade to the real thing or get out of the hobby. We don't need
> anymore pseudo-hams.

> -mike wa4d

> --
> Mike Whatley

Gee that doesn't sound like the friendly openess I've come to expect
from a real ham radio operator.

James A. Doty
KI7EL



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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Shutdown
Date: 29 Nov 1995 02:12:57 GMT
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Mike Whatley ([e-mail]) recently wrote
          in <49doaf$bf2$[e-mail]>:

: C'mon man. I know you can do it. Get off your butt and come on up
: here where the flavor is and fly with Eagles! Why be complacent? Go
                                        ^^^^^^^
I guess you got the slider working on your Browning Eagle!  Rodger Beep!!

: for excellence, instead of wallowing in the muck with the great
: unwashed masses of the hobby.

Why not just slide it back down to your oun band. Take it back to
rec.radio.cb

: Mike WA44Dawg

Next time makeup a better callsign before you slide up to the 10 meter
ham band. If you really want to get a laugh use WD40  I heard RG8U one
night and smiled as the eagles tried to work this rare dx.

: Extra Class Licensee
: Don't go no Higher where The elite of Amateur radio hang out--

If you have any "extra" class, your posts don't show it. Mostly a generous
lack of class. After you work a hundred countries tell us how it feels to
hang out with the rest of us novices, tech+ generals, and advanced.

Pay your dues bucko, next year no code techs will have vanity calls much
better than your made up call with all its "extra" class.

Bob
--
     Bob Wilkins                     home    [e-mail]
 Berkeley, California                work    [e-mail]
     94712-2354                      play    n6fri@n6eeg.#nocal.ca.usa.noam




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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC shutdown
Date: 28 Nov 1995 21:04:17 -0500
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In article <49fbib$[e-mail]>,
        Jerry B Altzman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Hardly. The Japanese still have a licensure and identification requirement.
>CB does not.

Claim whatever you like, but the US CB radio service used to have
callsigns and identification requirements too...

Japan's "No-code HF" license is effectively the same as our CB radio
license.

MD
--
--
-- "Who needs looks when you've got taste?"
--


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Moffit)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC SHUTDOWN
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:34:00 GMT
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77> Upgrade or get out of the hobby. With Your inferior ticket you
77> couldn't even talk with me on the air.


With an attitude like yours, who'd want to talk to you anyway?

73 de KB8TXL



 * RM 1.3  * Eval Day 50 * Sorry... my mind has a few bad sectors.


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From: [e-mail] (Mike Moffit)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC SHUTDOWN
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:36:00 GMT
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<<<much deleted for brevity>>>


NG> Is this the kind of bullshit that makes people want to be hams? This
NG> seems to think that instead of encouraging people to upgrade, he wil
NG> demean them, and tell them to get out of the hobby.

I agree with you, Nathan...I have the license I need to cover what I
want to do...packet, community service and satellites. If Mike Whatley
wants to keep his attitude, let him...he'll run out of people to talk to
soon!



 * RM 1.3  * Eval Day 50 * Health tip: Red meat IS good.  Blue fuzzy meat is BA
.


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Subject: Re: FCC Shutdown
Date: 29 Nov 1995 00:56:00 GMT
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Wow Drew!...you are really a cry baby...were you one of those guys
in school that could never do a project on your own? Always
using someone elses paper.  Always crying when an exam came up..
always looking for the easy way out?  Is there anything that you
think is worth working for? Do you think the average guy wants
to become an engineer or tech to get on the ham bands? I don't
think so..Therefore lets get rid of all the theory too..who needs
it now anyway..it's pretty much useless for the average person..
I bet if it wasn't a simple memorization game, you'd be bitching
about that too..Well I've lost respect for amateur radio because
of people like you, so I don't care anymore if they get rid
of all the requirements and soon I am sure I will be cussing and
jamming with the best of them..

Steve, wa2nhz





From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (KF2TI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC shutdown
Date: 29 Nov 1995 02:05:34 -0500
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In article <49degs$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Drew Durigan) writes:

>The FCC could care less!  The problem is the international agreement...
>although we've seen lots of progress lately in this area; England and New

>Zealand, for example.  Also the no-code HF license in Japan.
>
>I forsee a drop to 5WPM for all license classes initially (which would
>satisfy the ITU), and then abandonment of the Morse requirement all
>together.
>
>Again, it's only a matter of time

Not till at least 1997 or 1999

does this mean we have to keep this cockadooey going till then??

lets talk about something else like.......why the some US manufacturer
can't or won't produce a good HF rig for a decent price.  Or how do we
really know that the little light in the frig ACTUALLY does go off when
you close the door

steve


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From: [e-mail] (Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Shutdown
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:20:03 GMT
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This thread is starting to get way off base guys!

The hobby has many features that meet the needs of the hams who
utilize those features!

Not everyone is interested in microwave and not everyone is interested
in CW.

I have been a ham since 1959 and would like to see the code above 5
wpm abolished and perhaps a typing test put in its place.

Gary





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From: [e-mail] (Ed Ellers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC shutdown
Date: 30 Nov 1995 02:33:51 GMT
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In article <49gf31$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>Claim whatever you like, but the US CB radio service used to have
>callsigns and identification requirements too...
>
>Japan's "No-code HF" license is effectively the same as our CB radio
>license.

Dead wrong.  Japan's entry-level license is in the amateur service, and is
intended for that purpose.  CB is not.



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From: [e-mail] (ME)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC utdown
Date: 28 Nov 95 20:04:04 GMT
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Mike Whatley ([e-mail]) wrote:

> Matt

> I hope you don't get your ticket for a *long* time. You are not a
> ham until you get the General Class ticket. Tech-lite and the
> No-code tickets are for wanna-be's.

> Upgrade to the real thing or get out of the hobby. We don't need
> anymore pseudo-hams.

> -mike wa4d

> --
> Mike Whatley

>Gee that doesn't sound like the friendly openess I've come to expect
>from a real ham radio operator.

>James A. Doty
>KI7EL

Great Expectations!
                                                                   Me.


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (David Walcott)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: frequencies for Mir?
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 21:33:42 -0800
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Does anyone know if the radio frequencies for spacecraft Mir are available,
and if so where?
Thanks, David


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From: [e-mail] (Tim E.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Fusing Power Leads
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 09:49:47 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Newberry) wrote:

>
>->If the radio is wired directly to the battery and the battery's neg.
>->cable opens, the NEW return path is through the moutning bracket of
>->the radio or from the shield of the antenna to the radio and back to
>->the battery via the radio's skinny little power lead . It's a huge
>->draw even in warm climes, during a cold winter start the starter might
>->attemp to draw upwards of 1000 amps through this "backup" of the
>->battery's negative lead.

>->Gary
>->--
>->[e-mail]   <Gary Newberry>
>->Sometimes you're the bug, Sometimes you're the windshield
>->---------------------------------------------------------
--
Be honest now. When was the last time you actually saw or even heard
of the negative battery cable coming loose ?

Anyway sounds like fun to see a brand new $2000 rig light up like a
toaster !


--
Tim ([e-mail])
Amateur radio: WB8OGM



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From: [e-mail] (Gary Newberry)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Fusing Power Leads
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 10:43:39 GMT
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[e-mail] (Tim E.) wrote:

>[e-mail] (Gary Newberry) wrote:

>>
>>->If the radio is wired directly to the battery and the battery's neg.
>>->cable opens, the NEW return path is through the moutning bracket of
>>->the radio or from the shield of the antenna to the radio and back to
>>->the battery via the radio's skinny little power lead . It's a huge
>>->draw even in warm climes, during a cold winter start the starter might
>>->attemp to draw upwards of 1000 amps through this "backup" of the
>>->battery's negative lead.

>>->Gary
>>->--
>>->[e-mail]   <Gary Newberry>
>>->Sometimes you're the bug, Sometimes you're the windshield
>>->---------------------------------------------------------
>--
>Be honest now. When was the last time you actually saw or even heard
>of the negative battery cable coming loose ?

>Anyway sounds like fun to see a brand new $2000 rig light up like a
>toaster !


>--
>Tim ([e-mail])
>Amateur radio: WB8OGM

It's Called "Lawsuit Protection" when a comapny such as McDonalds gets
sued for a hot coffee spill (for $450,000.00) and Ford Motor Co. gets
sued for the 85 Escort not having an Aibag (when it wasn't even an
option in that year) ,  they begin to takle Extreme measures to
protect themselves .... that's my guess for the reason some Mfgrs. add
the Negative line fuse and why you see the little notices in McDonalds
windows that say "Caution Coffee Served Very HOT "

Gary


--
[e-mail] <Gary>



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From: [e-mail] (NORM COLLINS)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Fusing Power Leads
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Date: Sat, 25 Nov 95 12:43:00 -0400
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REPLYADDR [e-mail]

PID GIGO+ sn 395 at panda vsn 0.99.950801
From: [e-mail] (Norm Collins)
Subject: Fusing Power Leads
Organization: Kuentos Communications Inc.

Thank you to all who responded to my question regarding
fusing mobile equipment.  I appreciate the time and effort.

Regards

Norm Collins

---

 * Origin: Usenet: SATINS/Net330 uucp gateway * PandA's Den BBS *Ku (1:330/317)


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:54 1995
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From: pete brunelli <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Good Windows Log?
Date: 27 Nov 1995 17:45:34 GMT
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"George J. Molnar" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Anyone know of a good logging program for windows? I'd like one that (at
>least) interfaces with a SAM callbook. I've seen many pretty decent DOS
>based loggers out there, but I'd like to go "all windows", if possible.
>
>Thanks!

George,
try XMLOG, it is in most hamradio/logger ftp sites.  It has the CDROM interface
and basic awards tracking.  I use it for my mobile contact logging and it is ok.
No auto fill-in like logEQF, but it will do auto time-stamp and a few other
conveniences.

GL

------------------------------------------------------------------
Pete Brunelli                             Amateur Call N1QDQ
             Check out http://www.connix.com/~pcb
            Home of the Rolling Thunder Contest Club
               Mobileering for a Better Tomorrow
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From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:55 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Gutless assholes
Date: 26 Nov 1995 12:19:41 GMT
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Hans Brakob <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Good ol' Burt said:
>
>>Everyone who hates my postings can get the f*** off
>>the internet.
>
>They're going to close down the internet?

I was not the author of the message you credit me with authoring.



#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
|                            [e-mail]                          |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:57 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James A Doty)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Gutless assholes
Date: 27 Nov 1995 17:42:09 GMT
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Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

> ---------------------------------863041914108
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> [e-mail] (Burt Fisher) wrote:


> Return-Path: [e-mail]
> Received: from ix9.ix.netcom.com by ccsnet.com with smtp
> id BCCDAGDN ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 18:35:06 -0500
> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 15:37:51 -0800
> From: [e-mail] (S. D. )
> Subject: Re: My wife even thinks hams are....
> To: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>

I may not like everything I've read from you, and I don't agree
with much that you say, and you can be insensitive at times, but the
message that spineless jellyfish left about what your wife should do
was totally uncalled for.  I can't believe the nerve of that guy.

Maybe it's time to talk to some postmasters at some of these sites.

James A. Doty
KI7EL




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From: [e-mail] (Nathan Ryan Gingras)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Gutless assholes
Date: 27 Nov 1995 17:45:45 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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I'd like to declare Mike Whately one of the lamest bastards on the net as
a result of his previous postings about people below general class, and
as a result of his attacking burt fisher in a VERY uneducated and
immature manner. I'll admit that I have not agreed with everything that
Burt has said, but I think that mike's flame was totally uncalled for,
and just shows what a fool he is.

A double fuck you to Mr. Mike Whately.

Nate, KB9LSX



From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: Ham-L
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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James A Doty ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Is Ham-L gone?  I haven't received any messages from there in over a
: week.

I would be interested to know also.  I unsubscribed about a month ago,
because there was very little of value on there - just a bunch of flaming.

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
Systems Analyst     |   San Bernardino City Unified School District
[phone] (O)  |   Unix:  "It isn't supposed to be easy...If it
[phone] (FAX)|   was, everyone would be doing it."  -Unknown-


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:19:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard G. Erickson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help locate
Date: 28 Nov 1995 04:28:33 GMT
Organization: Sycamore School
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NNTP-Posting-Host: gridley-s220.manznet.com

I have been trying to locate an old student and friend of mine, WD6AST,
Stuart Biggs. I don't have a callbook that is current enough. Could
someone help me, please?  Post here or [e-mail].
Thanks
Richard


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:00 1995
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From: cronnjwc <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help locate
Date: 28 Nov 1995 20:23:01 GMT
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Go to the QRZ home page. They have a up to date call book on line
Jim W2GC



From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:01 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard G. Erickson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help locate
Date: 28 Nov 1995 23:42:08 GMT
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People on the net have been super. I now have the information.
> Thanks
> Richard


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:02 1995
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From: [e-mail] (James Warren Price)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help locate
Date: 28 Nov 1995 16:05:21 GMT
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Richard G. Erickson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I have been trying to locate an old student and friend of mine, WD6AST,
: Stuart Biggs. I don't have a callbook that is current enough. Could
: someone help me, please?  Post here or [e-mail].
: Thanks
: Richard

Try
        telnet callsign.ualr.edu 2000

73
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim N3QYE, [e-mail]



From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:02 1995
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From: Jim Cronn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help with Tube Amplifier Troubleshooting
Date: 27 Nov 1995 20:50:12 GMT
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TRy putting a swr meter between output and the input and then
follow the thread that the other fellow suggested. Open cable ,
open swith etc.
Jim W2GC



From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:03 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Mack)
Subject: Re: Help with Tube Amplifier Troubleshooting
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:38:15 GMT
Lines: 39

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Paul Anderson) writes:
>
>I'm repairing an HF amp -- a Yaesu FL-2100B -- which uses two 572Bs.  I'm

>Problem:  the amp does not accept power from a 50 ohm exciter -- very high SWR
>at the input.

A tube amp with and without HT voltage (ie just filaments) looks _about_ the
same for _small_ amounts of input power, ie you should be able to get a _rough_
tune up without HT. Since you're not, I'd check the input circuit first.
(Infinite SWR problems can sometimes be solved with an ohmmeter :-) ).
You could also pull the tube from the socket and put a 50-100 ohm resistor
into the grid hole in the socket and the other end to the chassis (or to the
cathode hole if it's grouded grid) to simulate a working tube grid circuit.


>I notice "a little" ionization in the tubes with high-voltage
>applied.  The blue-ness is in a very small zone where the plate lead passes
>into an insulator.

Sorry don't know anything about this.

Joe NA3T
        [e-mail]

>
>Questions:  Is "a little" ionization too much to have in a transmitting tube?
>Will this condition cause high SWR on the amplifier's input?  Will a new pair
>of tubes take care of things?
>
>Advice please!
>
>***********************************************************
>***  Paul Anderson                                     ***
>***  E-mail:           [e-mail]             ***
>***  Amateur Packet:   AB4VA @ KD4WLE.#MLBFL.FL.USA.NA ***
>***********************************************************




From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Alan Gauland)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: HELP:  FT-23r Display Blinking!
Date: 29 Nov 1995 21:18:55 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc, Beaverton, OR, USA
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Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.misc:94895 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:21842

My Yaesu FT-23R HT has taken up the rather distressing habbit of
continuously flashing everything on the display.  It no longer
seems to transmit, though receive works fine on whatever repeater
it was last tuned in to.

Any ideas on how to best discourage this behavior?

Thanks,
Mike

--
Michael A. Gauland      [e-mail]
AA7JF                   [phone]



From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:05 1995
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From: System Administrator <root>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HF TOO CROWDED?
Date: 26 Nov 1995 21:14:48 GMT
Organization: (ICON) InterConnect Online, Inc.
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[e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>       charles copeland <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>There is LOTS of room on uhf/vhf for new hams. I've never seen these
>>bands overly crowded in the largest of cities.
>
>My guess is you don't get on 2 meters in NYC or LA much, huh?

I went to LA once, and brought my HT along.  I expected a very crowded band
and an interesting evening of listening to the Hams.  Alas, it was mostly
repeater ID's and kerchunking.  There was a couple guys speaking spanish on
another channel.  After about an hour I just shut it off and went to a bar.

--
Steve



From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:06 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: How to clean up the ham bands?
Date: 28 Nov 1995 20:08:55 GMT
Organization: Oberlin College, Oberlin, Ohio
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NNTP-Posting-Host: alpha.cc.oberlin.edu

Although I change frequencies when I come across hams using
profane, obscene language I wonder where, and how, the "self-
policing" hams are supposed to do comes into play?  Do we
break into the conversation, reminding the errant hams about
Part 97, or just leave them alone?  As for illegal activities
conducted on the ham bands, activities which I've heard are
rampant especially out west, it would prove dangerous or fatal
to DF and get physically anywhere near such criminals, but
that's another story.  I, for one, would dearly love to hear
a return to civility and clean language, and want to do what
I can to help bring this about, besides setting a good example,
that is... Any thoughts on this?  --Bill KB8USZ
[e-mail]


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:07 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How to clean up the ham bands?
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:22:32 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

>Although I change frequencies when I come across hams using
>profane, obscene language I wonder where, and how, the "self-
>policing" hams are supposed to do comes into play?  Do we
>break into the conversation, reminding the errant hams about
>Part 97, or just leave them alone?  As for illegal activities
>conducted on the ham bands, activities which I've heard are
>rampant especially out west, it would prove dangerous or fatal
>to DF and get physically anywhere near such criminals, but
>that's another story.  I, for one, would dearly love to hear
>a return to civility and clean language, and want to do what
>I can to help bring this about, besides setting a good example,
>that is... Any thoughts on this?  --Bill KB8USZ
>[e-mail]
A little straight pin that has the varnish removed placed
strategically does wonders for eliminating unwanted stations from the
air.

Gary




From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Richard G. Erickson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Locating a ham Richard Erickson
Date: 28 Nov 1995 23:44:00 GMT
Organization: Sycamore School
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NNTP-Posting-Host: gridley-s222.manznet.com

People on the net have been super. I now have the info.
> Thanks
> Richard


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:09 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Looking for instructions on Infotech 200 and M200E
Date: 27 Nov 95 22:40:36 +0100
Organization: CNUCE - CNR, Pisa - Italy
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Dear Ham friends,
my call-sign is IN3YGW and I am an Italian radio amateur. I'm looking for the I
nstruction book of an RTTY equipment produced by the Infotech. I mean two diffe
rent models: model 300 and the model M200E.
If somebody can send it to me I will pay for all the expenses. Anyway, if you h
ave the instructions just contact me and we will sure agree.
Since I am guest of another Internet user, please e-mail your answers to MASTIN
[e-mail]
Thanks in advance for your kind collaboration,

       Antonello Mastino
       IN3YGW


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:10 1995
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From: Piero Pirrone <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: LOOKING FOR WORLD-WIDE SOFTWARE DISTRIBUTORS
Date: 26 Nov 1995 11:29:41 GMT
Organization: Politecnico di Torino - Italy
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Hello,
I'm Piero IK1TZO, of Microware Software.

We are looking for amateurs or companies interested to become
distributors of EasyLog, advertised on DX Magazine.

Please contact via e-mail only to:

[e-mail]


Best 73 IK1TZO


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Pσl R°nningen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: LSG(Fu)b schematics wanted
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:37:45 GMT
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Hello y'all...

I apologize in advance becuase this is off topic, but I figured that
thisnewsgroup is where I would have the best luck.

LSG(Fu)b is an amplifier for the German UKWe radio
from WW2.

Would anyone out there happen to have some cind of
schematic for this unit?  I would be willing to
reimburse photocopy/mailing expenses.


Sincerely,
Paal R.




From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:12 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: MODS FOR HTX-202???
From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Subject: MODS FOR HTX-202???

>>Does anyone know of any modifications for the rs HTX-202 handie for
>>out of band receive or xmit?  Thanks for any info.  Alan N1UJU

There are NO modifications to enable extended transmit or receive for
the HTX-202.

Those damn Radio Shack engineers...how DARE they manufacture a solid,
reliably performer like the HTX-202, which ONLY works well AS
ADVERTISED.

<g>

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From: [e-mail] (Ed Ellers)
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Subject: Re: MODS FOR HTX-202???
Date: 30 Nov 1995 02:50:02 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>There are NO modifications to enable extended transmit or receive for the
>HTX-202.
>
>Those damn Radio Shack engineers...how DARE they manufacture a solid,
>reliably performer like the HTX-202, which ONLY works well AS ADVERTISED.
>
><g>

This sort of complaint (I'm not blaming you, Clint!) reminds me of the time
QST did a review on the Yaesu FT-101 HF transceiver in which the author
opined that perhaps Yaesu should have left out the 11M band.  They promptly
got a letter that basically called them "ugly Americans" for ignoring the
fact that the Yaesu was being sold in countries where 11M was still an
amateur band.  (The complainer ignored the fact that Japanese and other
companies routinely make otherwise-identical radios that have different band
coverage for different countries, not only in the amateur field but in others
as well.)

Of course, many FT-101s found their way into the hands of CB pirates.  I've
heard it alleged that more 101s were sold in the U.S. than there were hams
licensed to transmit on HF.

Getting back to the topic, if Tandy wants to make a radio that only does
144-148 MHz they have every right to do so.  Anyone who refuses to buy a 2M
HT that doesn't also happen to be a 200-channel scanner for the 108-174 MHz
band has that right as well.  Both positions have their good and bad points.



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From: gdfender <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Multi_Elmac power supply needed
Date: 28 Nov 1995 19:38:16 GMT
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To: All

HELP! Looking for a Multi Elmac power supply for the AF-67/68
Transmitter. I'm trying to rejuvinate the old rig. Also interested in a
Multi Elmac PMR 6/7/8 reciever.

Please reply to W6SZX at [e-mail]

73

Gary



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HELP! Looking for a Multi Elmac power supply for the AF-67/68
Transmitter. I'm trying to rejuvinate the old rig. Also interested in a
Multi Elmac PMR 6/7/8 reciever.

Please reply to W6SZX at [e-mail]

73

Gary



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From: [e-mail] (Are Barstad)
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In article <49fofl$[e-mail]>,
   gdfender <[e-mail]> wrote:
>HELP! Looking for a Multi Elmac power supply for the AF-67/68
>Transmitter. I'm trying to rejuvinate the old rig. Also interested in a
>Multi Elmac PMR 6/7/8 reciever.


Try to post it in: REC.RADIO.SWAP - probably works better.

73,
VA3ARE - Are Barstad


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From: [e-mail] (Gregory Bukreev)
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Subject: Need advice
Date: 29 Nov 95 17:05:00 GMT
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>From UA9AI Wed Nov 29 19:56:02 MSK 1995
            Dear friend!
First of all please exuse me on my awful English.
A few month ago I bought VHF/UHF transceiver ALINCO DR 510 SX ( CIRFOLK )
I have heard this trcvr can operate with subtone enc&dec.But my trcvr
does not work. Subtne unit has installed but not EJ-3U and a little bit differ.
I have five trvrs and every has this unit but does not work. Unfortunately
I have no manual in English only in Japanees which is absolutely not
understandble.
Could you give me advice or send me manual via fax machine.
Give me your telephon number I shall call you.

My address is [e-mail].

Thank you advance ! Gregory Bookreev   UA9AI




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Subject: Re: Need ideas for ham radio mini class
Lines: 5

i tried it with adults for 12 weeks and only had one person (a fireman)
out of 25 people pass the test for no-code ham    good luck

3s' de wayne n1off



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From: Bill Bennett <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need ideas for ham radio mini class
Date: 27 Nov 1995 21:14:11 GMT
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Formulas where ever posable ie:
All repeaters input to output will be between 5 and 10%
modulation baudrates = 0.01% of the frequency
meters to frequency= *300 (look for the X.1mhz)
frequency to meters= /300 (look for the XX.1mhz)
1/2 wave feet=468/f (in inches *12)
1/4 wave feet=234/f
refelectors on yaggis are a little longer than 1/2 wave (5%)
directors are shorter
npn=not pointing in
And when studying never read the wrong answer!!!
The wrong answer will be seen only during testing,
 and in most cases wont make sence!

I have been helping kids 10-17 years they seem to get it easy'ly
my 10 year old son KE6YPQ took 2 tryes each novice, tech. and 15
to 20 hrs total study
refrences: KE6YAN, KE6YAO, KE6YPQ

bill
KC6YOX




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From: [e-mail] (Scott Rosenfeld NF3I)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need QSL info for 8R1K, PZ2AC, PZ1DV!
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I just worked 8R1K during the CQ WW DX CW and it's a new one for me.

I WANT THAT CARD!

The others (PZ2AC, PZ1DV) are Surinam stations to whom I have sent EACH
about $3.00 and still not gotten a QSL.  Please, can anyone help?

Thanks!
--
Scott Rosenfeld NF3I Burtonsville, MD FM19 QRV 40-10/6/2/440
** Yes, you CAN do VHF contests with 25W and omni antennas **
Still stuck at 138 countries confirmed on HF w/dipoles...
--------------------------------------------------------------


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From: [e-mail] (Marc Purdon)
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Subject: RE: No code 10 Meter
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Nathan Ryan Gingras ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Think about what having 10 meter priveleges would do for no-code hams!
: Let's petition for 10m priveleges. organize local Amateur clubs, hand out
: fliers... WRITE the fcc. Talk to anyone, and EVERYONE... tell them what
: you think about the advantages of no-code 10 m, and let's see what kind
: of difference we can make!

Let's go a step further. No licese on 10m. The reunion of 10 and 11m!!
Radio Shack, Cobra, Uniden coming out with new 10-11m radios.
What a dream to some. Next thing you know you'll be writing the FCC for
no code at all, then no licence at all.

                                                            Marc.






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From: [e-mail] (KF2TI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: No code 10 Meter
Date: 29 Nov 1995 02:04:48 -0500
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In article <49df75$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Drew Durigan) writes:

>Uh, guess what?  "The reunion of 10 and 11m!! ... Uniden coming out with
>new 10-11m radios" already happened...about 7 years ago.  They have names

>such as "HR2510", "Galaxy", "Emperor", "Ranger", and "RCI-2950/70"
>
>Where have you been?
>
>-Drew in Charlotte-

can't legally use them like that...but you know that aready Drew

happy thanksgiving to all

steve


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From: [e-mail] (Richard Eyre-Eagles)
Subject: Re: NO CODE 10 METER!!
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Nathan Ryan Gingras ([e-mail]) wrote:


: Think about what having 10 meter priveleges would do for no-code hams!

: Let's petition for 10m priveleges. organize local Amateur clubs, hand out
: fliers... WRITE the fcc. Talk to anyone, and EVERYONE... tell them what
: you think about the advantages of no-code 10 m, and let's see what kind
: of difference we can make!

What is *SO BAD* about learning code at 5 WPM???  5 is easy.

I am opposed to no-code on HF but I am NOT opposed to 'slow code' on HF.

I think that the 20 WPM code test should be eliminated.

For many, the 4(a) [Advanced] is a very difficult test.  I think the next
code test should be at the Extra Class level.  You can have up to an
Advanced class license with 5 WPM code.  To get the extra class, you
would have to pass the 4(b) written test and pass a 13WPM code test.  All
existing General and Advanced class licensees and those holding CSCEs for
the element 1(b) or 1(c) is credited.


--
==================================================================
Richard Eyre-Eagles, KJ7MU    | "The opinions expressed are not
Tempe, Arizona                |  those of anyone but myself"
==================================================================


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From: Hans Brakob <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: No-Code = Affirmative Action
Date: 28 Nov 1995 20:28:30 GMT
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> The W5YI statistical analysis shows.........<

That figures don't lie, but .....s figure?

--
- - - "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
      indistiguishable from magic."  A.C.Clarke

- - - Have you performed some magic this week?


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From: [e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: No-Code = Affirmative Action
Date: 29 Nov 1995 04:35:08 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (charles copeland) writes:
>Everywhere in the country I've been VHF is full of well behaved
>polite respectable people. You can't say that about 80 meters.

where 1 looney can make life miserable for a bunch of people over a greater
distance...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



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From: [e-mail] (Cecil A. Moore~)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: No-Code = Affirmative Action
Date: 28 Nov 1995 17:26:38 GMT
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In article <49dnvl$bf2$[e-mail]>,
Mike Whatley  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Rendered harmless on VHF, but bringing
>nothing to the party. Wanna-be's and Never were's.

My friend Tom, N7SZP, with a PhD degree in Electrical
Engineering, usually charges $100 per hour but has a
special for you. For only $200 per hour he might be
willing to attend your party!

73, Cecil, KG7BK, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


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From: [e-mail] (Ben Bass)
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Subject: Re: No-Code = Affirmative Action
Date: 29 Nov 1995 14:49:49 GMT
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charles copeland ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >The No-Coder ticket is Ham Radio's affirmative action plan. Reduce
: >test criteria  and dumb down the exams so that we can expand the
: >total numbers of the hobby.
: >
: >The League (if you recall) sold this idea with much hype. We were
: >told of this large group of technically literate persons who would
: >flood the hobby, enrich and diversify it. If only they didn't have
: >to learn the code. Just give em a chance.
: >
: >Of course they flooded the hobby, all right. Give anything away and
: >all kinds of animals will show up. All No-Coders claim they're gonna
: >upgrade or working on it.

I'm an example of EXACTLY who was supposed to be attracted by the
codeless license. I've been a broadcast engineer for 20+ years and I work
with computer systems. It WAS the code that kept me from getting my Ham
ticket years ago. I won't call it obsolete or outmoded, it just doesn't
interest me and I find it difficult to devote the time to learn something
I'm not interested in and would likely never use. I've never promised to
upgrade and never claimed to be working working on an upgrade. I too
could likely pass the Extra written exam without any trouble.

Should the exam be more difficult? Are there appliance operators among our
ranks? Absolutely...no argument from me. But if you want to hear
obnoxious operators, I think there's more of a problems on 75 meters than
on 2 meters

I'm not into DX and really have no great desire to get into it, for now. I
am into experimenting with computer interfaces and repeaters. Isn't that
what removing the code was supposed to encourage?

73 de Ben N2YDM



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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: No-Code = Affirmative Action
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Ben Bass ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Should the exam be more difficult? Are there appliance operators among our
: ranks? Absolutely...no argument from me. But if you want to hear
: obnoxious operators, I think there's more of a problems on 75 meters than
: on 2 meters

I've been a ham since the mid 60s, and the term "appliance operator" was
being thrown around way back then.  About that time, I bought the Drake
R-4 and T-4X pair, which would have easily qualified me as such.  At least
it was possible to repair that equipment oneself, and the complete
schematics were furnished with the manuals.  Even instructions to perform a
complete alignment were included, and it could be accomplished with such
mundane test equipment as an RF signal generator and a VTVM.

Tell me, how many people can troubleshoot/repair the likes of the IC-775DSP
or a similar high-end transceiver?  They're like the latest cars and trucks,
requiring special test equipment and techniques, to service.

I'm interested in QRP operations, and a lot of low-power enthusiasts are
still into homebrewing, but how many Extra Class hams still do much
building?  I spent 8 years working on FAA-style Air Traffic Control radar
systems, and don't feel all that qualified to build much more than a
Heathkit which, sadly, is no more.

Jim

[e-mail]  |   Jim Lowman    * KF6CR*    San Bernardino, CA
Systems Analyst     |   San Bernardino City Unified School District
[phone] (O)  |   Unix:  "It isn't supposed to be easy...If it
[phone] (FAX)|   was, everyone would be doing it."  -Unknown-


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From: "Anthony R. Gold" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: NYC Marathon question
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 95 09:38:20 GMT
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In article <498947$[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Daniel Senie" writes:

> Tactical callsigns are commonplace in disaster and public service
> communication. Use of tactical callsigns does not relieve the operator from
> proper identification at the end of, or every 10 minutes during a
> communication.

It should be noted that the original question related only to what was
heard on the output of a repeater.  Nothing was said about what was heard
or not heard directly from the net members' own transmissions, which is
the only place where those IDs must be made and recognizable.  Since the
repeater itself was doubtless performing the necessary IDs for its own
transmissions, any inference of improper operation is only guesswork.

Regards,
--

   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


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From: [e-mail] (Clay Irving)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NYC Marathon question
Date: 27 Nov 1995 11:24:59 -0500
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In <48qsst$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jerry B Altzman) writes:

>In article <48q1n8$[e-mail]>, Clay Irving <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>From the 1995 New York City Marathon Amateur Radio Operators Manual,
>>page 3:
>>
>>  "When initial logistical traffic lightens up the NCS will intiate
>>   a roll call. From that point on, only use your location as an
>>   identifier when you call into the net. i.e. "mile five to net"
>>   or "net from mile 21"."

>That seems to be in direct violation of 97.119. Not that the FCC cares or
>anything, but the principle is the thing, right? Or is there another
>paragraph which states that you must ID every ten minutes anyway?

I have an answer: The Deputy Chief of the Wireless Telecommunications Bureau
of the FCC participates in the NYC Marathon communications, and he gives us
a special waiver on the 10 minute ID to facilitate race communications -- It
gets pretty busy on some of the nets when the race is on!

I hope this answers the questions...

--
- o - o     Clay Irving ([e-mail]), N2VKG
o - o o     AEC NYC ARES, New York County
o -         Deputy Radio Operator, NYC RACES, New York County
- o - -     Start --> http://www.panix.com/clay


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From: [e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai)
Subject: Re: NYC Marathon question
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (jeff wright) writes:
[ID'ing at the Marathon]
-Is it possible they were using the repeater to do the id'ing for them?

Nope.  Each transmitter must ID itself.

-  I assume the repeater id's every 10 minutes or less, either in code
-or synthesized voice.

All the repeaters were properly ID'ing their own transmitters;  I just wasn't
hearing any of the *other* stations ID'ing with their own calls, just the
tactical calls.  Since I wasn't directly monitoring those transmitters,
it is possible that they were ID'ing with a different PL or something like that
which wouldn't be passed thru the repeater.

In any large event, tactical calls are extremely useful (even more useful
than actual callsigns) to the operation of the net.  That way there is no
reason to remember which ham is stationed where; to talk to checkpoint 42,
all you have to do is call checkpoint 42.  FCC callsigns are required during
the event because they are required by law, and to aid in identifying a
transmission if needed (for interference or similar reasons).

In my experience, the easiest way to satisfy both requirements is to sign
out with "Checkpoint 42, N1IST clear" rather than just "Checkpoint 42 clear".
It doesn't take much more net time, and makes everything legal.

/mike
--
\|/     Michael L. Ardai     N1IST
-*- ----------------------------------
/|\     [e-mail]


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:31 1995
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From: Hans Brakob <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NYC Marathon question
Date: 27 Nov 1995 21:27:13 GMT
Organization: MicroBurst
Lines: 12
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>That seems to be in direct violation of 97.119.<

No....  Part 97 allows the use of "tactical" call signs.  You still m
of course, observe the "10 minute rule" with your "real" call.

73, de Hans, K0HB

--
- - - "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
      indistiguishable from magic."  A.C.Clarke

- - - Have you performed some magic this week?


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:32 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.dorsai.org!bildin
From: [e-mail] (Bill Hindin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NYC Marathon question
Date: 29 Nov 1995 08:00:51 GMT
Organization: The Dorsai Emabssy
Lines: 26
Message-ID: <49h3vj$[e-mail]>
References: <48qsst$[e-mail]> <49dafh$crt$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: dorsai.dorsai.org
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]

: Much of this might be true, but Ralph Haller of the FCC has given the NYC
: Marathon (and the communiations director, Steve Mendelsohn) a special
: waiver to use tactical callsigns only. More on this will be posted FYI.

: BILL (AA2TF)

Hans Brakob ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >That seems to be in direct violation of 97.119.<

: No....  Part 97 allows the use of "tactical" call signs.  You still m
: of course, observe the "10 minute rule" with your "real" call.

: 73, de Hans, K0HB

: --
: - - - "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
:       indistiguishable from magic."  A.C.Clarke

: - - - Have you performed some magic this week?

--
BILL HINDIN (AA2TF)

INTERNET: [e-mail]

"Counselor Troy, meet me in my ready room..."


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:33 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.dorsai.org!bildin
From: [e-mail] (Bill Hindin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NYC VE exams
Date: 29 Nov 1995 08:08:49 GMT
Organization: The Dorsai Emabssy
Lines: 14
Message-ID: <49h4eh$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: dorsai.dorsai.org
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]

The next ARRL/VE testing by the BEARS club in NYC will be held on
Monday, Dec.11 at the ABC building at 125 West End Avenue (66th street)
at 5pm. No test will be started after 7pm. Cost is $5.90 (exact change
appreciated). Bring any CSCE's, your original license and a photocopy and
two pieces of ID. (at least one being a photo ID)

The BEARS VE hotline for future testing is: 212-456-5224.

Thank you.

--
BILL HINDIN (AA2TF)

INTERNET: [e-mail]


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (BILL TURNER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Old Timers, need key parts
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 95 13:41:00 -0400
Distribution: world
Organization: PandA's Den BBS, Danvers, MA, USA [phone] panda.org
Reply-To: [e-mail] (BILL TURNER)
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MSGID: [e-mail] 2cfd0001

REPLY: mid__495k3m$[e-mail] c950001

REPLYTO 1:330/317 UUCP

REPLYADDR [e-mail]

PID GIGO+ sn 395 at panda vsn 0.99.950801
From: [e-mail] (Bill Turner)
Subject: Re: Old Timers, need key parts
Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever

Great subject line, I can identify with that....


73, Bill W7LZP
[e-mail]

---



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From: Stephan Rashkin <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Postmortems needed on Hallicrafters, National,a nd Hammarlund
Date: 27 Nov 1995 03:44:53 GMT
Organization: CyberComm Online Services
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Simple..

1. Japan bombs Pearl Harbor
2. United States bombs Japan
3. Japan bombs United States

Steve, Wa2nhz




From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:35 1995
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From: "Paul Christensen, N9AZ" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Postmortems needed on Hallicrafters, National,a nd Hammarlund
Date: 27 Nov 1995 15:13:57 GMT
Organization: Continental Cablevision
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To: [e-mail]

Bob:

When you finish your Masters thesis, I would love a copy of it.  I'd be
happy to pay for copying and postage.

-Paul, N9AZ



From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Marc Brutschy )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Shuttle Radio / Emergency Info
Date: 27 Nov 1995 23:57:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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Xref: news.epix.net rec.radio.scanner:41174 rec.radio.amateur.misc:94813

Hi. I'm in the market for a radio which will allow me to:

1) Listen to space shuttle / mission control voice transmissions (I'm
near Livermore, California... over a small mountain from the SF bay
area).

2) Pick up emergency information after a natural disaster (an
earthquake, in my case).

Would a scanner or shortwave receiver be the best solution for me? Any
suggestions about what I should look for will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!

Marc Brutschy
----------------------
[e-mail]



From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:36 1995
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From: Bob Baker <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: South Carolina needed for WAS
Date: 27 Nov 1995 21:39:51 GMT
Organization: RC Concepts, foothill.net
Lines: 8
Message-ID: <49db77$[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: watson-d243.foothill.net

I need South Carolina in CW to finish my WAS.  Would appreciate
an email with a schedule for 20 meters from someone who would
take the time to help me finish up after 25 years.

Thanks

Bob
WA6MCT


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:37 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!gate.net!gate.net!not-for-mail
From: [e-mail] (Jay Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: THE biggest THE ham THE problem.
Date: 27 Nov 1995 12:35:25 -0500
Organization: CyberGate, Inc.
Lines: 11
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <49csst$[e-mail]>
References: <newtnews.816104817.1257.amsoft@486dx4_120> <4835e9$[e-mail]> <48vu6u$[e-mail]> <49097l$[e-mail]> <492p67$[e-mail]> <492uus$[e-mail]> <4967sr$[e-mail]>
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Dave Ennes ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I have to agree.  I have never been involved with a group that was more
: helpful to me when I showed a little interest in ham radio.  Maybe it
: depends where you are.
:
: N7DTD
:
More likely who you are.

KE4ZOG



From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:38 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Unik Bill?
Date: 28 Nov 1995 11:09:28 GMT
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[e-mail]   (Bill Newkirk) wrote:
>
>yeah, at least Mike's on topic whereas burt needs some direction to find the
>alt.sex.* groups...
>
>Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group

Unlike you I would at least have  S O M E  interest in that subject.



#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
|                            [e-mail]                          |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:39 1995
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!redstone.interpath.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.chatlink.com!netaccess
Date: 21 Nov 1995 12:56:28 PST
Subject: Re: Unliscensed use
Lines: 4

ain't that the darndest truth

wayne n1off



From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:40 1995
Path: news.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!jrouse
From: [e-mail] (John Rouse / Capital Gazette)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VP2FOC
Date: 28 Nov 1995 13:19:50 GMT
Organization: InfiNet
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]

You worked VP2EOC in Anguilla, I believe...
73, John KA3DBN

--
John L. Rouse                             Packet: [e-mail]
Capital-Gazette Communications            FAX: [phone]
[e-mail]                        Phone: [phone]
[e-mail]                             410-268-5000


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:41 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VP2FOC
Date: 29 Nov 1995 01:21:28 GMT
Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc.
Lines: 10
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X-Newsreader: AIR News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.)

>   [e-mail] (Paul K.C. Wang) writes:
>  Last weekend I worked VP2FOC in the CQWW CW contest. My CT9 software did
>  not recognize the prefix VP2F. Is this a new DXCC country or I copied
>  the call incorrectly? Tnx.
>  Paul (KU6T)
>
>>>>
Paul,  Suggest you may have worked VP5FOC.  I had QSO's on 15, 20, and 40.
Steve  AA1IZ



From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:42 1995
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: Coen Waasdorp <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What does "Q5" mean?
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ldn99-7.leiden.nl.net
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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 <48vjat$6f7$[e-mail]> <49fiq4$[e-mail]>
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In article <49fiq4$[e-mail]>, John Byrnes <[e-mail]>
writes
>Hans Brakob ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>
>> - - - "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
>>       indistiguishable from magic."  A.C.Clarke
>
>
>I recently purchased a Yaesu FT-11R, a tiny 2m HT.  I was pretty impressed
>and was reminded of the above quote.  After hefting the user's manual for
>a day or two I was reminded of the following quote:
>
>
>   "A modern U.S. Navy cruiser now requires 26 tons of manuals. This is
>    enough to affect the vessel's performance."
>        -- David Mankins
>
>
>Which of course, leads to my quote  :-)
>
>
>  "Any sufficiently advanced technology will have documentation that is
>   larger and heavier than itself."
>        -- John Byrnes
>
>73,
>
>KB0UNC
>

John,

PMFJI, allow me to "cientificy" this quote as follows"

" Any sufficiently advanced technology will have documentation that
is to the power of two in in seize and weight to itself".

Really liked your quote!!!!
--
Coen Waasdorp


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bruce W. Forsberg)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: What radars on 900 MHz ?
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 05:57:54 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services
Lines: 6
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: forsberg.cts.com

We are having problems locally in San Diego with our ATV repeater on
the 900 Mhz band. The input is being torn up by radar. I was wondering
if anyone knows what radars are present on the 900 MHz band. We are
guessing that it is some sort of Navy radar. Possibily ship based. If
anyone has any ideas they would be appreciated. The scan rate on the
radar is about 5 seconds with a PRI of about 5 ms.


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:44 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radion.shortwave
Subject: Where to find morsetraining program to Amiga.
Date: 27 Nov 1995 16:15:52 GMT
Organization: Ericsson
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Where can I find a morsetraining program to my A500.

Please send your answer to: [e-mail]

/Johan Eriksson


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From: [e-mail] (Thomas J. Farish)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Where to find morsetraining program to Amiga.
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radion.shortwave
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:19:00 -0700
Organization: LANL
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In article <49co7p$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

> Where can I find a morsetraining program to my A500.
>
> Please send your answer to: [e-mail]
>
> /Johan Eriksson

I have a heavily modified version of "SendMorse" that will send code from
a text file at various speeds.  It has some bugs, but got me past 18 wpm.
If I get enough requests, I'll ask someone to put it up on a www site.
If not, I can email a compressed and uuencoded file.

--
Thomas J. Farish, ScD
[e-mail]
KJ5LT

I don't speak for LANL and they don't speak for me.

PGP public key available upon request


From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:46 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Will the ignorant inherit
Date: 26 Nov 1995 23:17:05 GMT
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[e-mail] (Phil Heaton) wrote:

>Phil:  "Hey Maw...stop churnin' that butter and come look at this
>heah computer pitcher tube...you odda see hal fast at tire Mr.
>Fisher came back and boy he shore slammed me!"

>Phil:  "Eye-ite, Maw...ah shore will!"
>
>Phil, KE4KRT


1.You sure can write well.
2.You have original thoughts.
3.You will not be appreciated here by hardly anyone.
4.Even though you flamed me with a jet engine I respect a good shot, and
boy was yours ever a good shot.

With all that ability why the hell would you want to be a boring ham?


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
|                            [e-mail]                          |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:47 1995
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From: Gareth Crispell <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Will the ignorant inherit
Date: 27 Nov 1995 05:00:40 GMT
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Wow!!!! Absolutely incredible Phil! I really enjoyed your post. Say, do
you all boys down at maw's place know any kids named "Billy Baaaaaa"?

N1MSV

--






                 ..as for the mysteries of the
                Universe...they knew them not...


  And in the time of their visitation they shall shine, and run
  to and fro like sparks among the stubble.

  gareth     e-mail    [e-mail]




From Unknown Thu Nov 30 12:20:48 1995
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Will the ignorant inherit ham radio?
Date: 26 Nov 1995 12:28:37 GMT
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[e-mail] (Phil Heaton) wrote:

>I can't bad-mouth it, but since info week mag
>has devoted (it seems) a column per each issue on it's
>bugs, I'd rather stay away from it.

Strange I have used it, beat it abused it since Aug 28, no bugs and no
lockups like on Win 3.1. I thought REAL hams tried things instead off
playing it safe? In any event Win 95 is quite safe.



>Phil, KE4KRT
>
>Micro$oft - What Bill's wife knows about Bill...

Shows your class, jealously and high level of intellect.

I have seen his wife but not yours.


#================#=====================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics     |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)                |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember    |
#================#=====================================================#
|                            [e-mail]                          |
#======================================================================#




From Unknown Fri Dec 01 20:28:07 1995
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: ARLX070 ETO agrees to merger
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX070
ARLX070 ETO agrees to merger

ZCZC AX40
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 70  ARLX070
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  November 28, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX070
ARLX070 ETO agrees to merger

A merger between Ehrhorn Technological Operations (ETO), Inc, and
Applied Science and Technology, Inc, will not affect ETO's position
in the Amateur Radio market, according to ETO Chairman Dick Ehrhorn,
W4ETO.

Applied Science and Technology (ASTeX), of Woburn, Massachusetts,
makes systems for making industrial diamonds and semiconductor
materials.  ETO makes high power RF products, including ALPHA linear
amplifiers for amateurs.

Ehrhorn said ''ETO's people, technologies and products strongly
complement those of ASTeX.  Our combined capabilities extend from dc
to microwave and up to 75 kW.

''Delivery commitments and warranty service for ETO-ALPHA Amateur
Radio products are not affected,'' Ehrhorn said. ''ETO continues to
operate from its Colorado Springs location with no anticipated
changes in personnel. Ray Heaton remains the primary sales and
service contact for Amateur Radio customers.

''In fact,'' Ehrhorn said, ''We're looking for ways to serve our
Amateur Radio customers even better.''

In 1995, ASTeX had fiscal sales of about 20 million dollars,
according to an ETO press release.  ETO reported its sales for the
nine months ended September 30, 1995, at more than 10 million
dollars.
NNNN
/EX


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From: [e-mail] (John Minger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can I use my radio in Canada?
Date: 29 Nov 1995 23:52:39 GMT
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In article <49ig16$[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Eugene Kang ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: >
>: >I can't resist...  If the agreement was sitting, would there be any difference?>
>
>: Yep. The agreement wouldn't be standing. :)
>From a digital POV, there would be no difference. If the agreement was
>lying down, I supose one could argue that it a) dead, b) resting or c)
>comotose, but would it be in effect? Or just ineffective?

How can one resist?
Reminds me of the question:
"Do they have a fourth of July in England?"

(Well, yes, but........)   ;-)




--
___________________________________________________________________________
John A Minger    KE6DTC          Opinions expressed are those of the author
Los Angeles, CA                  and not those of anyone or anything else.


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From: [e-mail] (Richard Hernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Cw tutor
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 02:49:00 GMT
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MI>Anyone know of a good shareware code tutor for the computer and where I coul
MI>ind
MI>it?

Mike,
I'm currently using a program called NewMorse 1.3 This is a windows
program which interfaces with my sound card. It works really well. I
downloaded it from America On Line. I've also seen it in WWW in various
places. Just look around. If your board has a file list look around they
may have it.

The above file is too large for me to zip up and send to you as an
attachment but I have a dos program that I can zip and send to you (if
you are capable of receiving attached files with your mail). This
program worked really well also, only it does not interface with a sound
card. When working on higher speed practice sessions I've found it much
easier to have head phones on (specially with kids around). If you can't
find the NuMorse file let me know your mailing address (post office) and
I'll be glad to send you a floppy N/C.

Good luck

Richard KC4QBQ

[e-mail]

---
 * OLX 2.1 TD * Get refreshed and ready Psalm 139


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From: Stephan Rashkin <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Bur
Date: 30 Nov 1995 03:56:48 GMT
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When a person works hard for something and succeeds, its
value is more important to them. I've operated on 75 for years
and most of the problems come from those call-less or
ball-less wonders that don't have hf privileges, and those
that just make them up or use OPC. Two of them were recently
caught in Massachusetts and one in Virginia..

Hundreds of thousands of people have successfully passed their
code tests and have upgraded to whatever they desired..I am
not necessarily against another class of license allowing
limited operation on hf, but these whining little cry babies
that want to discount all the work and time hundreds of thousands
have gone through and make it mean nothing sends a message of
"screw it why bother to work for anything, it'll be free soon"
and I'm not just limiting it to radio--..

It just cracks me up to see a few whining babies slobbering all
over their keyboards...My impression of them is laziness
and potential career welfare recipients..who cares whether you
like cw..who cares whether you ever use it again.  Yeah it's
a primitive form of communication, it's kinda like learning
how to build a fire in the scouts without matches, or even
having to memorize the little scouts oath. I think of cw as just
a little initiation that may someday come in handy. It separates
the requirement-less CB level from the amateur radio level.
For all the man-hour whining I have heard out of Drew, he probably
would have been able to decode Amtor in his head by now..
Take a damn vitamin E or something..
Again I reiterate, especially to Drew:

Waaaaa!  Waaaaa!  Waaaa!

What an EXTRA Class Cry Baby


Steve, Wa2nhz




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From: [e-mail] (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What radars on 900 MHz ?
Date: 30 Nov 1995 10:26:07 GMT
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Bruce W. Forsberg ([e-mail]) recently wrote
               in <[e-mail]>:

: We are having problems locally in San Diego with our ATV repeater on
: the 900 Mhz band. The input is being torn up by radar. I was wondering
: if anyone knows what radars are present on the 900 MHz band. We are
: guessing that it is some sort of Navy radar. Possibily ship based. If
: anyone has any ideas they would be appreciated. The scan rate on the
: radar is about 5 seconds with a PRI of about 5 ms.

You are probably seeing a Part 15 data network. They are operating at one
watt using spread spectrum. Many of these data transmitters are on pole
tops or buildings. You might be experiancing the primary user of our 902
band, the automatic vehicle locating service. Pacific Teletrac operates
high power wide band digital data from multiple mtn tops to track fleets
of vehicles all over southern California.

Good luck trying to run an AM video system in all that noise! You might
want to operate on 1240+ MHz or digitize your video on 902.

For some information on 902 MHz Part 15 data networks you might try browsing

http://www.metricom.com/

http://www.qualcom.com/

Bob
--
     Bob Wilkins                     home    [e-mail]
 Berkeley, California                work    [e-mail]
     94712-2354                      play    n6fri@n6eeg.#nocal.ca.usa.noam




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From: [e-mail] (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight: Could be Bur
Date: 30 NOV 95 10:43:34
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In article <49fgud$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (James A Doty) writes...
>I think you should reconsider.  Most of my friends who are hams have
>Tech Plus tickets, some have No-Code Tech tickets, and a couple have
>Advanced tickets.  The only difference I've noticed is how much they
>know about all aspects of ham radio.  None of my friends who hold Tech
>Plus tickets and lower are any less competent than my friends who are
>General class operators and higher.

I'd have to agree that license class doesn't tell you much of anything. There's
a ham that I work with who's been licensed for decades, and has forgotten more
about radio than I know. He's Advanced, I'm Extra. Another, who used to work
here but has since moved on, builds and maintains repeaters and links for one
of the local clubs. He's Tech+. His job here was developing IC package models
using time-domain reflectometry.

The only valid bozo filter is exams that genuinely test radio and electronics
knowledge. Our current multiple-guess system doesn't necessarily do that. Now,
I like CW, it's a fun mode, but I don't have any illusions about it being a
filter or commitment tester. I think we should still teach it because it is a
simple, handy means of communicating, but the need for it is gone. Military,
Coast Guard, MARS, everybody has abandoned it for better modes.

-Tom R.   N1OOQ   [e-mail]


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From: Globber <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 2m.70cm  Antenna for 95  Firebird T/A
Date: 30 Nov 1995 14:33:18 GMT
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can anyone suggest a antenna for 2m.70cm
for this car. Iam having trouble finding
one that looks good on the car. glass mount
would be find if not to tall? Gain not that important.
                        Thanks N3TFL



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From: Zack Lau <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Contesting
Date: 30 Nov 1995 15:21:14 GMT
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Ham radio and sports do not in any way go together.

   Sports Illustrated thought otherwise!





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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: How to clean up the ham bands?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <49fq8n$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Although I change frequencies when I come across hams using
>profane, obscene language I wonder where, and how, the "self-
>policing" hams are supposed to do comes into play?  Do we
>break into the conversation, reminding the errant hams about
>Part 97, or just leave them alone?  As for illegal activities
>conducted on the ham bands, activities which I've heard are
>rampant especially out west, it would prove dangerous or fatal
>to DF and get physically anywhere near such criminals, but
>that's another story.  I, for one, would dearly love to hear
>a return to civility and clean language, and want to do what
>I can to help bring this about, besides setting a good example,
>that is... Any thoughts on this?  --Bill KB8USZ
>[e-mail]

Self-policing means essentially policing *yourself*, IE making
sure *you* obey the rules. If each of us does that, then things
are lovely. Unfortunately, there are those who will not self-police.
Those people need to be other-policed. The primary other-policeman
is the FCC, but they haven't been doing much of a job of it lately.
The Amateur Auxillary and the Official Observers are volunteer
amateur other-policemen. While they have no real authority, they
do ocasionally extert some influence directly on amateur behavior,
and indirectly through motivating the FCC to act.

Our most effective other-policing, however, is peer pressure.
One of the more powerful tools of peer pressure is the shunning.
By simply refusing to interact with those who we believe are
behaving badly, we can have an influence on them. (This is most
effective if it is a group effort.) A more direct tactic is to
reprimand the miscreant *off the air*. A letter to his callbook
address, or a telephone call, can sometimes have an effect. Again,
a group effort in this direction can be helpful. Don't threaten
or flame, simply express your disappointment in regard to their
improper behavior, and ask them to improve.

Don't confront a persistent miscreant on the air. This offers them
the attention their sick minds desire. And don't stoop to their level
by jamming or otherwise flaming them on the air. That too is the type
of attention that they crave. For persistent problem children, enlist
the aid of the Amateur Auxillary. They can sometimes influence the
FCC to step in. Complaining directly to the FCC is generally a waste
of time, unless you happen to have an in with someone at the FCC.

Now some people may be inadvertently breaking a regulation or overstepping
a custom, and a kindly word will usually be sufficient to steer them back
in the right direction. This is a judgement call, but is the only time you
should attempt to correct behavior over the air. Mostly you should exert
your good influence by being a proper role model. People naturally emulate
those whom they admire. If you act in an admirable manner, people will
follow suit.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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From: Walter Zorn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What radars on 900 MHz ?
Date: 30 Nov 1995 16:15:54 GMT
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[e-mail] (Bruce W. Forsberg) wrote:
>
> We are having problems locally in San Diego with our ATV repeater on
> the 900 Mhz band. The input is being torn up by radar. I was wondering
> if anyone knows what radars are present on the 900 MHz band. We are
> guessing that it is some sort of Navy radar. Possibily ship based. If
> anyone has any ideas they would be appreciated. The scan rate on the
> radar is about 5 seconds with a PRI of about 5 ms.

Hummmm.  I seem to recall some discussion of sharing the top of the
440 MHz Band with some Radar Systems, perhaps a Doppler profiler.
Perhaps, if you looked at half of the ATV freq. you may find the foe
near or in that band.

73, KF0OS


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From: [e-mail] (David S. Curry KG2EB)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Can a Green Card holder be a ham?
Date: 30 Nov 1995 16:47:09 GMT
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        Can an English Citizen with a Green Card in the US become a ham?
Tnx in advance
73
David KG2EB



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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: ARLX072 W2AN special event
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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX072
ARLX072 W2AN special event

ZCZC AX42
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 72  ARLX072
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  November 30, 1995
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX072
ARLX072 W2AN special event

W2AN will be on the air as a special event station on Saturday,
December 2, and Saturday, December 9, from 7 PM EST to midnight.
The transmitter, restored by the Antique Wireless Association, was
used for transatlantic contacts in 1921.  Listen for its bell-like
tone on or near 1815 kHz.  QSL via AWA, 59 Main St, Bloomfield, NY
14469.
NNNN
/EX


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From: Hans Brakob <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Just supposin'
Date: 30 Nov 1995 19:13:42 GMT
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Putting aside all the arguments which have raged here
since Marconi was a Novice --  (in other words, deactivate
your flame thrower, and substitute brainpower for firepower.)

Just supposing--
  1) WARC 99 removed the Morse requirement from Amateur
Service regulations, and;
  2) FCC then decided to amend US regulations to remove
the Morse requirement from Part 97.

And assuming--
  1) A beginners (entry class) license is desireable, and;
  2) A system of encouragement and recognition of advanced
knowledge and/or skills is desireable.

What recommendations would you make for changes in the
testing and licensing structure for licensees in the US
Amateur Radio Service?
--
73, de Hans, K0HB

--
- - - "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
      indistiguishable from magic."  A.C.Clarke

- - - Have you performed some magic this week?


From Unknown Fri Dec 01 20:28:20 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Hunt)
Subject: Re: Contesting
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Lines: 11
Sender: [e-mail] (Dave Hunt)
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Organization: Counihan & Hunt, Ltd.
References: <49gd7n$[e-mail]>
 <49huc4$avu$[e-mail]> <49jb5h$[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:23:52 GMT

An activity need not be athletic to be called a "sport"; consider fishing
or stock car racing.  Would you be satisfied if t-hunters ran with their
locators in stead of driving?  Some do.
CQ CQ CQ CONTEST,

--
Dave Hunt, Amateur Radio: wx1g
Voice:  [phone] ext 27
Fax:  [phone]
Web:  http://www.spdcc.com/home/dhunt/index.html



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From: [e-mail] (Stockmal)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: QSL info: A92M, 3DA0NX,
Date: 30 Nov 1995 20:53:12 GMT
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Hello,
        Thanks for reading my article.  I worked A92M during the CQ WW CW
Contest.  If anyone has his or the 3DA0NX pse send it to me.  I know that
the 3DA0NX is via a ZS6?  I don't remeber the call;however, this call
isn't in the '96 callbook.
                        TU de Phil, N1TMG
************************************************************************
    The Stockmal [e-mail]
                           Alex, Helen, and Phil
                   Middle Atlantic District Labs - MAD Labs
    I didn't like it and I didn't inhale it... (President Clinton)
************************************************************************


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From: Steve Fricker <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Cable Routing to Outside
Date: 30 Nov 1995 21:27:35 GMT
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I saw a neat job done by routing the cables through a PVC pipe
(obvisously requiring a hole!)...then take a PVC cap, drill cable-sized
appropriate holes...next step:  cut the cap in two, slip the two halves
over the cable(s) then clamp'em together with a hose clamp like you use
on your car's heater hose.

--Steve ([e-mail])
N4STI


[e-mail] wrote:
>Does anyone have any good ideas about getting cables from the
>inside to the outside?  I would like to hear from anyone that
>has methods of doing this WITHOUT major/visible holes in the
>wall or floor.  I have access to a window if that helps.
>
>ANY AND ALL IDEAS WELCOME!
>
>73, de KB4LFH
>Michael Crowder
>[e-mail]
>




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From: [e-mail] (William A. Kirsanoff)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NYC Marathon question
Date: 30 Nov 95 22:14:45 GMT
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On: 29 Nov 1995 15:32:19 -0500 [e-mail] (Clay Irving) wrote:


>In <49coor$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Clay Irving) writes:
>>In <48qsst$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
>>(Jerry B Altzman) writes:

>>>In article <48q1n8$[e-mail]>, Clay Irving <[e-mail]>
>>>wrote:
>>>>From the 1995 New York City Marathon Amateur Radio Operators Manual,
>>>>page 3:
>>>>
>>>>  "When initial logistical traffic lightens up the NCS will intiate
>>>>   a roll call. From that point on, only use your location as an
>>>>   identifier when you call into the net. i.e. "mile five to net"
>>>>   or "net from mile 21"."

[stuff deleted]

>>I have an answer: The Deputy Chief of the Wireless Telecommunications
>>Bureau of the FCC participates in the NYC Marathon communications, and
>>he gives us a special waiver on the 10 minute ID to facilitate race
>>communications -- It gets pretty busy on some of the nets when the
>>race is on!

>>I hope this answers the questions...

>Well, I thought it answered all the questions...

>I received additional clarification from Steve Mendelsohn, WA2DHF,
>Communications Director of the NYC Marathon:

>  I re-read Part 97 and discovered that the ID rules have, indeed,
>changed since last I looked.

>  What we had been doing was to tell people to id -- on low power on
>the repeater output -- based on the fact that the rules, pre-1994 had
>no language about where one had to ID, they only said you had to ID.
>So ......

>  I specifically spoke with Ralph Haller, Deputy Chief of the Wireless
>Telecom Bureau, and he looked and said that the rules had been changed
>to require all ID on the transmit channel.

>  Therefore - starting in 1996 the Marathon NCS on all nets will tell
>all stations to ID simultaneously every 10 minutes.

>Thanks to everyone who provided input -- You made a difference.


Clay, and others with a similar event situation, may I recommend a
simpler procedure: Stations contact net control (and visa-versa) using
their tactical callsign. At the end of the traffic, clear with the
tactical followed by the operator's FCC callsign. Event traffic is
generally less than 10 minutes, so all part 97 requirements have been
met.

A sample:

M5: "Net control, Mile five."
NC: "Mile five."
M5: "We have a runner down at this location, number 1234, male, 45 years
    old, pain in his right knee."
NC: "OK. Medics enroute, ETA 5 minutes. Net Control W2XYZ."
M5: "Mile Five, KA2ABC."

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